I guess that's one disadvantage of a sliding table saw - inserts are so much harder to make. I'm pretty lucky ith my not-so-good table saw. It has thick inserts that are really easy to make.
Glad someone else speaks in angst when crap drops into the damn saw!! I spent hours today achieving very little at the saw farting about NOT making inserts, jigs etc because things fell into the damn saw. By the way, quite envious of your Felder.... A superb piece of gear. Thanks for the honest outtakes - keep up the great channel.
I also have a sliding table saw. It took me a while to learn to align the sliding table perfectly to 90 degrees.... I don't use the 5 cut method, I use an engineers square and a dial gauge. Perfect and no wasted wood! Anyone not using a slider can't appreciate what they are missing! More accurate and safer.
Good thing you had that space, I have the same issue when making inserts for my saw, but i lack the space to build on and make it stronger. Last time I tried the thin part eventually got broken off and sucked down into the saw. I guess some people aren't meant to have clean cuts.
Thanks for this Marius, I have a Hammer C3-31, with a 2200mm sliding table. Ive wondered for a long time, how I was going to make a Zero Clearance plate. Because many a time I've had fine slivers shoot back down the saws throat, which can be very dangerous. which also can cause a blockage in the dusts extraction. Cheers from Western Australia.
Good presentation. I've never seen a table saw like yours so it was interesting to see how they work, in the context of a ZCI. I've seem ZCI's made for other style saws, and most people use a purely subtractive approach. When I made mine, I found that to be tedious, so I made mine in different shaped layers, glued together to make the overall shape. I was pleased to see that you used both approaches, "hogging out" and also laminating additional pieces to make the final design. And I really like that the bottom birch piece extends to the side, below the sliding table. Effective 3D design. :)
Well done Marius, having just purchased a new saw myself, I will now have to take some of your advice for inserts for it. Oh and keep on keeping on with the film work. Public speaking is never easy. Only advice I ever received that I'd pass on is practice practice practice. Put a mirror up behind the camera, so that you can see what we see.
Nice job. Interesting use of the scroll saw to cut the riving knife slot out. I made my first zero clearance insert last week, and I ended up using my Dewalt track saw to basically start the slot off so the knife could pop through whilst the initial cut was done. It was tricky to align though, and I had to throw one away before it worked. If I had a scroll saw, it would have been better. I suppose you just have to adapt to what tools you have. I hope you found your set screws!
I never realized that those inserts would help to make clean cuts O_O You just conviced me that I will need to make zero clearance inserts for my future homemade tablesaw (based on +Matthias Wandel design btw) :)
This is a major issue for me with my Felder saw. I ended up making my insert out of aluminium, but it is getting a bit worn out after almost 2 years and I don't enjoy the prospect of having to make a new one. I never bothered making one for a 45 degree cut. Have you ever considered cutting them out of aluminium with your CNC?
i was thinking about it for make some zero clearence inserts for my table saw (robland z3200) but all by all i have a scoring unit but i'm still wana to make some just for safety. so after see you making it i have some potential to make them :p great video as always keep up the good work
Hi Marius, I'm looking to buy a similar saw and also have a pretty smal workshop. When you were selecting your saw, did you also look at the combination machines? (table saw, jointer, shaper, etc combined) Why did you opt for seperate machines?
Hallo Marius, Tolles Video, wie eigentlich immer. Ich konnte leider dein letztes vid nicht kommentieren, in welchen du fragst ob es gewünscht ist, dass du einen vlog machst. Ich muss sagen ich habe über 150 channel abboniert alle über woodworking und diy . Aber ehrlich auf deine freue ich mich mit am meisten. Könntest du einen vlog über Sägeblätter für die tks und die bandsäge machen? Grade wo man die hier in Deutschland am besten kauft und welche gut sind und welche nicht... Worauf sollte man achten etc... Danke :)
just a note - you state in your video "3,2 mm right size for M4" - this is not entirely correct, but right :) M4 threads made by using core diameter of 3,3 mm - but the inner core diameter of the finished thread is 3,24 mm since the thread is not cut but also reshaped by plastic deformation so if you use metric threads in very soft materials like wood or very elastic materials that cannot be reshaped you need to use a core diameter slightly below the finished diameter in your example 3,2 mm is perfect for cutting threads in wood but not the right diameter for M4 in a general term - in metal you'll ruin your tapping tool and produce flagile threads
Hi Marius, Do you have any plans on demonstrating how a format saw can replace a jointer up to blade height? That is in my opinion the greatest advantage of this style of saw. Also, type "Fritz und Franz" into the youtube search, in case you didn't know about this type of jig for a format saw already.
Hast Du darüber nachgedacht, die im Felder Online Shop erhältlichen "Kreissäge Einlagebrett für Schlitzsägen" zu nutzen? Diese sollten sich deutlich leichter anpassen lassen und auch durch das verwendete Material ohne große Materialaufdopplung nutzen lassen. Der Preis ist nicht super günstig aber auch nicht wirklich teuer.
Da hab ich damals grade wegen dem Preis gedacht, dass ich das selber für weniger hinbekomme. Ohne eine Materialaufdopplung, denke ich , hält das gekaufte Einlagebrett auch nicht gut
@@OFFtheROAD34 Moin Kurt, ich hab meine Säge erst seit zwei Wochen. Ich werde mir bald noch etwas Zubehör bestellen, wie den "Miniauslegertisch" und dann vermutlich auch den Einsatz. Ich würde das ganze Testen und ggf. auch ein Video dazu machen. VG
Another brilliant video, unscripted of course! Love how you've learned the English language too, complete with the "f" word. Brilliant. Look forward to the "C" bomb being dropped in the next video! Cheers.
Marius Hornberger I did some googling afterwards and found the phrase "Spielfreie Sägetischeinlage", it sounds like a pluralized phrasing of it anyway.
Hard to get... mainly because manufacturers don't sell saws with a long enough spindle. Why? Because it is mandated in the EU that a table saw (and other powered tools - I think) has to be able to come to a complete stop in under 5(?) seconds (H&S). This means that with a dado blade you need a brake and that brake can cause the dado stack to undo the nut. You CAN get saws that accept a dado stack over here (although as you mentioned, they are hard to get), but it usually has a cotter pin in the spindle to avoid it coming undone.
Marius Hornberger That's shocking that the Felder Group would sell zero clearance inserts for their main product line but not for the Hammer series of saws. I've made a lots of inserts for my Delta Unisaws, which is a quick & easy, no-brainer job, but should I own a Hammer series saw, I would definitely prefer to buy them. It looks like too much time and aggravation to make them. By the way, your outtakes were delightful to watch. Please do more.
![[Woodworking] Sliding Table Saw Jig / Freely cut from various angles](/img/n.gif)
I guess that's one disadvantage of a sliding table saw - inserts are so much harder to make. I'm pretty lucky ith my not-so-good table saw. It has thick inserts that are really easy to make.
I have an older Craftsman that I thought was a pain to make inserts for... I will never complain again.
+Matthias Wandel Marius is basically a younger version of you Matthias!
Younger and more frugal, although there is merit to every way of woodworking.
+Rexford Dorchester More frugal? I think that table saw must have cost more than all of the equipment in Matthias's shop. lol.
ksp1278 it does
I've been looking everywhere for a professional glue spreading tool like that. Congratulations!
Glad someone else speaks in angst when crap drops into the damn saw!! I spent hours today achieving very little at the saw farting about NOT making inserts, jigs etc because things fell into the damn saw. By the way, quite envious of your Felder.... A superb piece of gear. Thanks for the honest outtakes - keep up the great channel.
I really like that style saw and enjoy the channel along with all of your projects. Nice work and the outtakes are great also!
That glue spreader looks pretty fancy mate, where can us non professionals get hold of one? :-)
Brilliant as usual! The outtakes gave me a good laugh, especially when the set screws went everywhere.
ryantoomanyhobbies Yeah, this wasn't a very good idea after all :)
The most complex zero insert i have seen so far. Very good job
Love the outtakes in the end, i had seen that screw problem coming :)
Michael Pedersen Thanks. I also thought that this could happen so I "tried" to empty the bag carefully...not possible
I also have a sliding table saw. It took me a while to learn to align the sliding table perfectly to 90 degrees.... I don't use the 5 cut method, I use an engineers square and a dial gauge. Perfect and no wasted wood! Anyone not using a slider can't appreciate what they are missing! More accurate and safer.
Good thing you had that space, I have the same issue when making inserts for my saw, but i lack the space to build on and make it stronger. Last time I tried the thin part eventually got broken off and sucked down into the saw. I guess some people aren't meant to have clean cuts.
The whole video was great, but the outakes were amazing!
Those outtakes are great, man. Inserts look very professional.
aintgonnahappen Thanks man!
Thanks for this Marius, I have a Hammer C3-31, with a 2200mm sliding table. Ive wondered for a long time, how I was going to make a Zero Clearance plate. Because many a time I've had fine slivers shoot back down the saws throat, which can be very dangerous. which also can cause a blockage in the dusts extraction.
Cheers from Western Australia.
Great video! I am going to make a few. Thank you so much for taking the time to make this video for us sliding table users. USA
Beautiful, meticulous work. I love the out takes at the end too.
Really great idea with the under insert support.
you really know what you are doing. I am really enjoying your videos, thanks for sharing!
Good presentation. I've never seen a table saw like yours so it was interesting to see how they work, in the context of a ZCI.
I've seem ZCI's made for other style saws, and most people use a purely subtractive approach. When I made mine, I found that to be tedious, so I made mine in different shaped layers, glued together to make the overall shape. I was pleased to see that you used both approaches, "hogging out" and also laminating additional pieces to make the final design. And I really like that the bottom birch piece extends to the side, below the sliding table. Effective 3D design. :)
Barry's Workshop Thanks Barry!
Love those outtakes!
I enjoyed the outtakes since it makes it look like my life. Nice job but it makes me happy my saw isn't so fiddly. Keep up the videos.
Professional glue spreading tool for the win, good thing we come with that built in :D
Well done Marius, having just purchased a new saw myself, I will now have to take some of your advice for inserts for it. Oh and keep on keeping on with the film work. Public speaking is never easy. Only advice I ever received that I'd pass on is practice practice practice. Put a mirror up behind the camera, so that you can see what we see.
Mike Soper Probably a good idea with the mirror. Thanks for the advise.
Nice job. Interesting use of the scroll saw to cut the riving knife slot out.
I made my first zero clearance insert last week, and I ended up using my Dewalt track saw to basically start the slot off so the knife could pop through whilst the initial cut was done. It was tricky to align though, and I had to throw one away before it worked. If I had a scroll saw, it would have been better. I suppose you just have to adapt to what tools you have.
I hope you found your set screws!
Andy Midd a jigsaw should work too. And yes I did.
I never realized that those inserts would help to make clean cuts O_O
You just conviced me that I will need to make zero clearance inserts for my future homemade tablesaw (based on +Matthias Wandel design btw) :)
Well done. I especially liked the outtakes!
Excellent and as I now have the simliar saw, I will also try to make some. I may use a different material and see how that will work
I loled when the screw drop in to the saw. Nice video
Clever lad.!!!!
Great presentation ,without any of the usual boring faff I have to suffer with other videos. Top Marks.!
the outtakes were funny keep up the good work
Great video as usual. As many others have commented, loved the outtakes especially this time.
This is a major issue for me with my Felder saw. I ended up making my insert out of aluminium, but it is getting a bit worn out after almost 2 years and I don't enjoy the prospect of having to make a new one. I never bothered making one for a 45 degree cut. Have you ever considered cutting them out of aluminium with your CNC?
Holy crap that is a lot of work for a zero clearance insert. I'm glad my delta unisaw isn't as complex as this one.
I'm really enjoying your videos, thank you, keep up the good work.
i was thinking about it for make some zero clearence inserts for my table saw (robland z3200) but all by all i have a scoring unit but i'm still wana to make some just for safety. so after see you making it i have some potential to make them :p
great video as always keep up the good work
Awesome outtakes!
I love the outtakes! lol
Nice precision job!
Haha I loved the outakes! You should throw those in from time to time :)
Jesse Sohn I think I'll do, because I have a lot of them :)
Love those bloopers!
Very nicely done. Thanks
"..professional glue spreading tool.." (uses finger)
Love it.
i hav to say you r a really german，well done！hello from China~
Well done. You're a funny guy, smart too.
I have the same "Professional glue spreading tool"...
An excellent video. Not sure why you got any thumbs down?
nice video Marius. keep up the good work👍
Can you tell me where the place i can buy it.. Hw much ?
Keep up the good work.
Hi Marius, I'm looking to buy a similar saw and also have a pretty smal workshop. When you were selecting your saw, did you also look at the combination machines? (table saw, jointer, shaper, etc combined) Why did you opt for seperate machines?
Great start of my weekend - great video!! Have you done a film class or similar?
6:44 where did you get the professional glue spreading tool from? I need one for my workshop.
you mean his fingers? Or the cheap polyethelyne glue bot bottle? www.fastcap.com/product/glubot-family
Ďakujem Marius za poučné video.
Hey man, thanks for the video.
Great video, thanks for sharing!
i like your "professionalGlue spreading tool" :'D
i am using a similar one on my projects!
professional spreading ... awesome
Best one liner ever Marius "Oh F%^K!!"
beautiful video great work man!!!
SEHR gute Idee (level screws). THX.
Hallo Marius,
Tolles Video, wie eigentlich immer. Ich konnte leider dein letztes vid nicht kommentieren, in welchen du fragst ob es gewünscht ist, dass du einen vlog machst. Ich muss sagen ich habe über 150 channel abboniert alle über woodworking und diy . Aber ehrlich auf deine freue ich mich mit am meisten. Könntest du einen vlog über Sägeblätter für die tks und die bandsäge machen? Grade wo man die hier in Deutschland am besten kauft und welche gut sind und welche nicht... Worauf sollte man achten etc... Danke :)
Rocco Cokakerlake Danke Rokko, ich werd mal schauen ob ich das in einem dieser Videos mit reinpacken kann.
Nice video man 😉
Super Video vielen dank wieder ein Projekt mehr auf meiner to do Liste :-)
Rudolf Weiss Danke. Das würd ich ganz oben auf die Liste setzen.
Beautiful, amazing! saludos desde MÉXICO
Awesome video. Where did you buy the magic clamps ? ;-))
I've been through a few of these now, and since you've been playing with the CNC so much recently, any chance you've modelled this yet?
No, not yet
KID! I like ur skills
Nice job, what a problem to make a zero clearance plate.
just a note - you state in your video "3,2 mm right size for M4" - this is not entirely correct, but right :)
M4 threads made by using core diameter of 3,3 mm - but the inner core diameter of the finished thread is 3,24 mm since the thread is not cut but also reshaped by plastic deformation
so if you use metric threads in very soft materials like wood or very elastic materials that cannot be reshaped you need to use a core diameter slightly below the finished diameter
in your example 3,2 mm is perfect for cutting threads in wood but not the right diameter for M4 in a general term - in metal you'll ruin your tapping tool and produce flagile threads
Verwendest du die Einlagen heute noch? Haben sie sich bewährt?
Hi Marius,
Do you have any plans on demonstrating how a format saw can replace a jointer up to blade height? That is in my opinion the greatest advantage of this style of saw.
Also, type "Fritz und Franz" into the youtube search, in case you didn't know about this type of jig for a format saw already.
***** Videos about that coming soon. and I already making a "Fritz und Franz". Great jigs.
Hi Great video, where did you get that depth gauge, love its weight. Keep up the good work.
Peter Anastasopoulos Hmm, good question. Actually I don't know anymore.
Have you made any changes since this video was made? I'm looking at doing this to mine
No, still the same. Only one is now showing signs of good usage and probably needs some care soon.
Where can I get one of those "professional glue spreading tools?" Amazon doesn't seem to carry them. :-)
Try Rockler dot com, search for "glue applicator set."
nice outtakes...
nice inserts. Don't put your hand behind the saw to pull stock through, use a pushstick if you want to keep all your fingers.
Hast Du darüber nachgedacht, die im Felder Online Shop erhältlichen "Kreissäge Einlagebrett für Schlitzsägen" zu nutzen? Diese sollten sich deutlich leichter anpassen lassen und auch durch das verwendete Material ohne große Materialaufdopplung nutzen lassen. Der Preis ist nicht super günstig aber auch nicht wirklich teuer.
Da hab ich damals grade wegen dem Preis gedacht, dass ich das selber für weniger hinbekomme. Ohne eine Materialaufdopplung, denke ich , hält das gekaufte Einlagebrett auch nicht gut
@@MariusHornberger Ich werde es vermutlich mal testen und dann die Info teilen. Es dauert aber noch etwas, bis meine K3 ankommt.
@TheSaNiOnE
Hast Du es schon getestet? - ich stehe vor der selben Entscheidung.
@@OFFtheROAD34 Moin Kurt, ich hab meine Säge erst seit zwei Wochen. Ich werde mir bald noch etwas Zubehör bestellen, wie den "Miniauslegertisch" und dann vermutlich auch den Einsatz. Ich würde das ganze Testen und ggf. auch ein Video dazu machen. VG
Excellent...
1:45 If you would like to know: Stick is an irregular English verb. Past tense of stick is stuck, (not stickt ).
ah thanks!
Where can I get one of your professional glue spreading tools?
Amazon
Your momma
I didn't realise, I already have ten of those 'professional glue spreading tools' 😂
the beeps in the outtakes sounds as if you're swearing haha
where can i buy this professional glue spreading tool?? :P hehe
Another brilliant video, unscripted of course!
Love how you've learned the English language too, complete with the "f" word. Brilliant. Look forward to the "C" bomb being dropped in the next video! Cheers.
very nice.
Excellent...
Cheers...
Perfect!
The best part was when you said you used a professional glue spreader
PERFECT
when i need zero clearance i just cut through some thin scrap and im done
7:16 Eyeball Precision!
I love when you cures especially when you say F*ck
Why not just use a filler to fill the saw slot on your existing cover, then plunge cut thru the filler?
the existing cover is not flush with the table and it also has no mounting options for a filler
Marius Hornberger filler, as in 2 pack body filler or a light epoxy.
"Professional glue spreading tool". :-))
Nice.
by the way, what is the german phrase for zero clearance insert?
1873Winchester hmm, good question. I don't know
Marius Hornberger I did some googling afterwards and found the phrase "Spielfreie Sägetischeinlage", it sounds like a pluralized phrasing of it anyway.
1873Winchester Yeah that could be right. zero clearance = spielfreie; (table saw) insert = Sägetischeinlage
dein arbeit ist so sauber,,,,warum gibt keine deutschsprachige video von ihnen?
Englisch hat mehr Reichweite
I just learned that dado blades are either illegal or hard to get in Europe. is that so, and may I ask why? thank you
Hard to get... mainly because manufacturers don't sell saws with a long enough spindle. Why? Because it is mandated in the EU that a table saw (and other powered tools - I think) has to be able to come to a complete stop in under 5(?) seconds (H&S). This means that with a dado blade you need a brake and that brake can cause the dado stack to undo the nut. You CAN get saws that accept a dado stack over here (although as you mentioned, they are hard to get), but it usually has a cotter pin in the spindle to avoid it coming undone.
+EscapeMCP thank you for letting me know my friend....I just learned something new
2:56 sounds like F1 cars driving by.
Good work but I think the saw manufacturer could have made it a little easier to do zero clearance inserts.
gamingSlasher The "Felder" series has zero clearance inserts available, but the "Hammer" series not.
Marius Hornberger That's shocking that the Felder Group would sell zero clearance inserts for their main product line but not for the Hammer series of saws. I've made a lots of inserts for my Delta Unisaws, which is a quick & easy, no-brainer job, but should I own a Hammer series saw, I would definitely prefer to buy them. It looks like too much time and aggravation to make them. By the way, your outtakes were delightful to watch. Please do more.
I actually think that you can buy one too for use with the dado blade, but I couldn't find them anywhere yet.
@ 6:45 Who said that Germans don't have a sense of humor? LOL.
Great video, ooh fuck was too funny :-)