I am glad to hear you're starting your journey. I hope you're able to mine the depths of Christian history and help use it to engage with the world today. Good luck!
Pbro. Gustavo Gutierrez Merino es un referente obligado para todos aquellos que desean poner en práctica la Palabra de Dios dentro de las comunidades pobres.
Absolutely!! And thx for the thoughtful dialogue. BUT, it’s important to know socialism, communism and basically Marxism: Removed God. The STATE takes primacy. The system is materialism. God? Is competition that can not be tolerated. Come up with ONE example where it was better than a triune God based society. Im serious. Iv studied this for years. Thank you for the enjoyable back and forth.
Helping the poor is good. But don't be deceived. Christ died for all people: rich and poor, black and white, marginalized and main stream. If we get distracted from personal obedience and personal repentance then we will be like Judas who wanted a political Messiah. If we believe that certain groups are evil and certain groups are good, or that one group is a victim, and the other group is an oppressor, then we are doing just the kinds of things that Jesus DID NOT teach. All are children of God, and he loves all of us.
that's always a straw man response, no true leftist hates the rich, we aren't right wing, the rich are playing their role, like a play, if musk gave everything away, there'd be someone to replace him, like an understudy. contrary to the american dream most rich people started off upper middle class, elon musk's dad owned a diamond mine, speaking of his dad. he was a abusive man including to elon, which would explain the kind of person that would fit the role of billionaire in this play that is capitalism. I just see that its a play causing lots of suffering a sin so i just want to replace it with one with more justice and sustainable. if you think capitalism is natural, it isn't it was invented by man, the church has existed before capitalism and it will exist after its gone, with climate change it's only a matter of time. you're right, we're all children of god, so why would he want a society that cause so much death and destruction in so many ways when there are better ways.
Great points Jim. These people critical of your comments sadly have been catechized poorly. Many think Christ and Christianity primary objective is social justice. This is completely wrong. Christ ransomed himself for our salvation. Yes. He was interested in our sanctity. Feeding and caring for the poor is our duty; YES. It is NOT our primary duty. Our primary duty is sanctity and being with Him in the next life. Caring for the poor is a natural progression from this fundamental point. (Ever wonder why Christ never spoke of Slavery?) This ENTIRE Liberation Theology movement is a power acquisition play MARXISTS. They skillfully misrepresent and rebrand seemingly Christian values so as to slowly get people used to handing over their liberty, redistribution of wealth and giving power to the almighty state.The redefine Christ then In the end, they will push out Christ, replace Him with the State. Anyone willing to challenge me on this obvious point needs to investigate further. Indeed, the Medellion Conference of 1968 was organized by Moscow through a KGB agent. Although the Soviet Union is gone, Marxism is most assuredly alive and well. This entire movement is ANTI CHRISTIAN. Ask yourself one question: Why do all Communist nations outlaw God? If your answer is that no one has done Communism correctly? That this time it will be different? There are the corpses of 100 million from last century that would disagree if they lived. Wake up America. Do you want to do good? Or, do you want to feel good? Marxist principles are a deadly road to the latter.
This is understandable but I think the point is that for so long in history we have focused TOO MUCH on the rich, the white, the main stream. By saying we should focus on those who have for so long been left behind we are not saying that the cultural majority be left behind instead, we are saying that anyone being left behind is bad, and therefore we should focus on the societal evils that have already been perpetrated. There is a lot of fear from people in the social majority (white, men, straight, christian in the west, and especially rich) that if we were to help the social minority then what is now the majority will BECOME the minority. And this viewpoint clearly shows that it is bad to be in the minority, it affects one's quality of life. But since the majority has the power, they overshoot, they overestimate, and promote the idea that any help towards the minority will completely reverse societal norms, putting themselves on the bottom, so therefore they can get away with believing that NO social progress should be made at all. We want to prioritize the poor and oppressed not because they are more worthy of the kingdom of heaven than the rich and powerful, but because they are JUST AS worthy but history up until this point has not treated them as such.
Finally some light!!! But don't be deceived by the "helping poor" talking. In every place his ideology dominates, like Nicaragua right now, the poverty and violence against the poor skyrocket. It's the exact opposite of what the say. In Brazil we are experiencing this today.
Tho its good to help the poor the church has no political nor police power to implement its preferential option for the poor both financially and in arm twisting situations . What the church can do is to build drug rehabilitation facilities farmers cooperatives orphanage homes for the aged and help in times of wars calamities and economic depression but not armed strhggles to turn things upside down. The church can also give lectures seminars to would be country and world leaders on moral social theology the importance of sharing reforming the society agrarian reforms justice for the poor advocacy . All they have to do is befriend and associate themselves with political leaders and injecting in these le aders the gospel of jesus whether theyll listen or not to the church. Prayer and patience persuation and internal conversion not rallies demonstrations and armed resistance .
Saving the soul is for the church saving the body is for the doctors and political leaders. Saving the souls of politicians may work working in saving the bodies of the people under their leadership by heeding the commandment of christ.
I think this topic you're talking about is something the Church has struggled with since its beginning. The question of what is the relationship between Christ and Culture or at least that's how Richard Niebuhr presented it. The topic is so tough because although you look at the leaders who became rebels, but the Church also helped create an atmosphere of great suffering in South America by allowing wealthy aristocrats to take advantage of a great portion of society leaving them poor and destitute. If you study the monastic orders throughout history, there is a divide on how to address society, you have those that seek to transform society in the light of Jesus, some believe it's best to work around society in light of Jesus, and even some think best to ignore society entirely in the light of Jesus. Each follower and each leader has to answer directly what they believe the right answer for them in their context is. For Gustavo, he believed that transforming the world in the light of Jesus required the need to transform the society around him to accommodate this. I think Gustavo did this quite well, but as you've pointed out, there are difficulties that arise when coming down specifically on any of these ideas.
Crazy thing is that you dont want the church to be involved politically to the benefit of the poor yet you want to impose christian morality on everyone, which oppresses women and LGBTQ+people.
Blessed is Fr Gutierrez and Saint Oscar Romero. Their works and deeds are what brought me back to God
That is amazing to hear! I'm glad you were able to find some Christians that helped show the love of God to everyone around us.
@@ChristianBiographies God, really? They advocated for The Communist Manifesto!
As a seminarian beginning my journey, I am most grateful for this video and the introduction to Gutierrez; thank you!
I am glad to hear you're starting your journey. I hope you're able to mine the depths of Christian history and help use it to engage with the world today. Good luck!
Dont listen to this garbage. Christ came to offer man salvation. This is Marxist tripe hiding as Christianity
Welcome to this life of service.
One of greatest and most important Christians of last century
one of the greatest theologians of our time.
Why is that? Or are you talking about leftist political activism?
What's the "Theology" of this organic intelectual?
Pbro. Gustavo Gutierrez Merino es un referente obligado para todos aquellos que desean poner en práctica la Palabra de Dios dentro de las comunidades pobres.
Thank you for this 🤩🙏
I'm thankful you enjoyed it!
sounds like a cool dude
I'm glad you found Gustavo's life and work interesting!
Look for the fruits, not the "sound".
Great video!
Thank you!
Love him. 🌈🤗 I shall read more about him & liberation theology..! 😍🤩🎈🎉 😎
Just take a look at Venezuela right now.
Very typical for a dominican friar he got into trubble with Rome. Like many before throughout the centuries
The Dominican order is great! Long live the Dominicans, friars, nuns, and lay Dominicans!
Hey men😮
Absolutely!!
And thx for the thoughtful dialogue.
BUT, it’s important to know socialism, communism and basically Marxism:
Removed God.
The STATE takes primacy. The system is materialism.
God? Is competition that can not be tolerated.
Come up with ONE example where it was better than a triune God based society.
Im serious. Iv studied this for years.
Thank you for the enjoyable back and forth.
Helping the poor is good. But don't be deceived. Christ died for all people: rich and poor, black and white, marginalized and main stream. If we get distracted from personal obedience and personal repentance then we will be like Judas who wanted a political Messiah. If we believe that certain groups are evil and certain groups are good, or that one group is a victim, and the other group is an oppressor, then we are doing just the kinds of things that Jesus DID NOT teach. All are children of God, and he loves all of us.
"Perfect comments idea, very christian centered ".
that's always a straw man response, no true leftist hates the rich, we aren't right wing, the rich are playing their role, like a play, if musk gave everything away, there'd be someone to replace him, like an understudy. contrary to the american dream most rich people started off upper middle class, elon musk's dad owned a diamond mine, speaking of his dad. he was a abusive man including to elon, which would explain the kind of person that would fit the role of billionaire in this play that is capitalism. I just see that its a play causing lots of suffering a sin so i just want to replace it with one with more justice and sustainable. if you think capitalism is natural, it isn't it was invented by man, the church has existed before capitalism and it will exist after its gone, with climate change it's only a matter of time. you're right, we're all children of god, so why would he want a society that cause so much death and destruction in so many ways when there are better ways.
Great points Jim. These people critical of your comments sadly have been catechized poorly. Many think Christ and Christianity primary objective is social justice. This is completely wrong. Christ ransomed himself for our salvation. Yes. He was interested in our sanctity. Feeding and caring for the poor is our duty; YES. It is NOT our primary duty. Our primary duty is sanctity and being with Him in the next life. Caring for the poor is a natural progression from this fundamental point. (Ever wonder why Christ never spoke of Slavery?)
This ENTIRE Liberation Theology movement is a power acquisition play MARXISTS. They skillfully misrepresent and rebrand seemingly Christian values so as to slowly get people used to handing over their liberty, redistribution of wealth and giving power to the almighty state.The redefine Christ then In the end, they will push out Christ, replace Him with the State. Anyone willing to challenge me on this obvious point needs to investigate further. Indeed, the Medellion Conference of 1968 was organized by Moscow through a KGB agent. Although the Soviet Union is gone, Marxism is most assuredly alive and well. This entire movement is ANTI CHRISTIAN.
Ask yourself one question: Why do all Communist nations outlaw God? If your answer is that no one has done Communism correctly? That this time it will be different? There are the corpses of 100 million from last century that would disagree if they lived. Wake up America. Do you want to do good? Or, do you want to feel good? Marxist principles are a deadly road to the latter.
This is understandable but I think the point is that for so long in history we have focused TOO MUCH on the rich, the white, the main stream. By saying we should focus on those who have for so long been left behind we are not saying that the cultural majority be left behind instead, we are saying that anyone being left behind is bad, and therefore we should focus on the societal evils that have already been perpetrated. There is a lot of fear from people in the social majority (white, men, straight, christian in the west, and especially rich) that if we were to help the social minority then what is now the majority will BECOME the minority. And this viewpoint clearly shows that it is bad to be in the minority, it affects one's quality of life. But since the majority has the power, they overshoot, they overestimate, and promote the idea that any help towards the minority will completely reverse societal norms, putting themselves on the bottom, so therefore they can get away with believing that NO social progress should be made at all. We want to prioritize the poor and oppressed not because they are more worthy of the kingdom of heaven than the rich and powerful, but because they are JUST AS worthy but history up until this point has not treated them as such.
Finally some light!!!
But don't be deceived by the "helping poor" talking. In every place his ideology dominates, like Nicaragua right now, the poverty and violence against the poor skyrocket.
It's the exact opposite of what the say. In Brazil we are experiencing this today.
Tho its good to help the poor the church has no political nor police power to implement its preferential option for the poor both financially and in arm twisting situations . What the church can do is to build drug rehabilitation facilities farmers cooperatives orphanage homes for the aged and help in times of wars calamities and economic depression but not armed strhggles to turn things upside down. The church can also give lectures seminars to would be country and world leaders on moral social theology the importance of sharing reforming the society agrarian reforms justice for the poor advocacy . All they have to do is befriend and associate themselves with political leaders and injecting in these le aders the gospel of jesus whether theyll listen or not to the church. Prayer and patience persuation and internal conversion not rallies demonstrations and armed resistance .
Saving the soul is for the church saving the body is for the doctors and political leaders. Saving the souls of politicians may work working in saving the bodies of the people under their leadership by heeding the commandment of christ.
I think this topic you're talking about is something the Church has struggled with since its beginning. The question of what is the relationship between Christ and Culture or at least that's how Richard Niebuhr presented it. The topic is so tough because although you look at the leaders who became rebels, but the Church also helped create an atmosphere of great suffering in South America by allowing wealthy aristocrats to take advantage of a great portion of society leaving them poor and destitute.
If you study the monastic orders throughout history, there is a divide on how to address society, you have those that seek to transform society in the light of Jesus, some believe it's best to work around society in light of Jesus, and even some think best to ignore society entirely in the light of Jesus. Each follower and each leader has to answer directly what they believe the right answer for them in their context is. For Gustavo, he believed that transforming the world in the light of Jesus required the need to transform the society around him to accommodate this. I think Gustavo did this quite well, but as you've pointed out, there are difficulties that arise when coming down specifically on any of these ideas.
What you said is right-wing ideology not christianity. Christ fed BOTH the body and the soul.
Crazy thing is that you dont want the church to be involved politically to the benefit of the poor yet you want to impose christian morality on everyone, which oppresses women and LGBTQ+people.