Horace (Zero Punctuation)
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Soft locking with saves is bad.
Do you think you can do banner saga I'd loved to see you poke fun at that series 😂
@@granthenderson9363 ó no se me ocurre ninguna llamada perdida
For the benefit of those who didn't see the Post-ZP stream, the game's developer Paul Helman joined us on the Twitch chat for a bit but then mysteriously disappeared after about an hour or so, which just so happened to be around the time the game's problems arose and people stopped praising and started criticising it.
I did feel a bit bad after he vanished and I really hope we didn't destroy his self-esteem because it was quite an interesting game; it just had quite a few glaring issues namely too many cutscenes, unfocused story & gameplay and glitches. Personally I got a modern-day George Lucas vibe from Mr. Helman; he has good ideas he just needs someone else to give him notes and encourage him to take stuff out that doesn't work.
That's sad, I hope someone steers him in the right direction.
I wonder if it'll encourage him to patch it with tweaks maybe
Crazelord91 I hope so. Tbf I can’t see patches changing the story but hopefully it’ll take out the glitches. I mean the stream abruptly ended cuz Yahtzee encountered a glitch that prevented him from going any further.
Martin Herchel Same here. Apparently he’d been working on it for 7 years. Which would explain meandering story and constant gameplay changes.
What that tells me is somebody didn’t want to hear criticism.
Either because he/she is a rampant egotist who only wants praise as is the case with a lot of indie devs. Or if he’s been working on it for so long he doesn’t want to touch it, either from burnout or knowing that he’s just gonna cram more stuff in there.
This video was actually quite the lesson in game design. I legitimately hope Mr Paul Helman sees it and is able to use its criticism towards making a more focused sequel, cause that would be an excellent game I'm sure
I think his passion project took a many years to develop, I am unsure if he will want to work on another project
4:01 Why not use the time machine to go back to before Horace's family dies?
No, that would make sense, and we can't have that XD
Maewyn Thotbane because *insert time travel conflict here*
Austin powers Dr evil shit
@F.u.c.k Go.ogl.e Who hurt you
@@RedRocky54 At a guess, I'd say it was Google.
"That was day one." A sentence that rarely bodes well.
2:57 That’s the Matterhorn, not the Eiger! If I were a mountain, I’d be offended
KorKhan89 ha!
Well, going by GoT movie lore, Mountain's are interchangable.
I sanction this comment.
I spotted the same thing, having climbed the fucking thing. The problem is that Eiger is not very visually inspiring. It's notorious among climbers but it really doesn't look like much to a layman.
@@Carewolf The Mountain's what is interchangeable?
I assume Disappointment is simply the norm for Yatzhee nowadays.
That is most gamers feeling nowadays
It is norm for whole industry.
It is the norm for the industry indeed, have you guys seen the pokemon community nowadays?
To think in his early years he was immune to being disappointed by games
@@Abhishek-fe3zs surely that applies to everything anyway
An interesting case study of Yahtzee trying to like a game out of genuine hope, as he did with Duke Nukem
Hey yahtzee, if we actually reach 2020, will you consider doing a retrospective of the decade? Like a list of the best, or most interesting, or most representative games of the 2010s ?
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Sounds actually fun
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I like (i.e. despair) how the phrase "if we actually reach 2020" is something that makes sense nowadays and not some weird nostradamus shit like 2012.
Shichiyoo imagine un-ironically thinking the strengthening of individual nations relations with each other is cause for concern
When are they going to volume balance their intro and outro with the actual commentary.
Always blows my mind how many TH-cam editors still don’t know what a compressor is.
Completely forgot it was Wednesday. What a pleasant surprise!
@@davidtownsend6092
I think I was on summer vacation when I posted that comment.
Yahtz saying/admitting: "Well, it wears me down," is like the payoff to a joke that's taken years to set up.
explain
Huh?
@@badmanjones179 Up until now he's been using variably elaborate metaphors to explain just how annoyed he gets, so this is a subversion of expectations
@@colliesis ohhhh
THE HORACE HERESY!!
;-)
This one has at least 50% fewer crazed Emperor's Children.
I hate you for making me thumbs up that.
sakmi kuhl Oh you cheeky fucker
Now with 66.6% more Chaos Blarghshouters!
This sort of answers my question what a game character based on Yahtzee would look like.
Based on yahtzee's appearance anyway. If it were truly based on yahtzee it'd be a gelatinous, constantly swearing blob that occasionally calmed down enough to say "im not mad im just dissapointed"
The way Yahtzee says "perhaps they could have fixed some of the bugs" at 4:34 is so weirdly rhythmic, I couldn't help but listen to it, like, five times before moving on. Someone make a remix, pretty please?
It is!
Zero Punctuation videos have this unique quality of fully captivating me with Yahtzee's analysis and talk of the game until it slaps me in the face with a sharp joke in the last second and abrubtly ends. It's really great.
Sounds like the type of indie game that needed the structure you get from more established studios. It’s like how George Lucas needs people to say “NO” to the car salesman C3PO and lizard skywalker of the OG Star Wars and then We see just what happens when the “restraints” are removed
Lizard Skywalker? That actually doesn't sound too bad.
Honestly I prefer the prequel batshit insane Lucas on the loose Star Wars to the current market researched inoffensive lukewarm "it's for everybody please buy our toys" Star Wars. At least the prequels were an insane person's passion as opposed to some CEO's strategy.
It's not C3PO it's see through poo* please stop using the wrong name nerds
People are still parading that lie in 2019 ?
@@W_Winters_99 sorry if this sounds nerdy but actually if you're googling it for more info it was actually Han Solo (pretty much in name only tho, at that draft Han and Luke were like old war buddies or something) envisioned as an alien and he was more like a fishman with gills.
I watched the "3minute review" of this game on this channel before watching this video. & The detail that Yatz goes into on his reviews is astounding. His years of reviewing games really is coming through into his quality polished product he wasn't kidding in the documentary when he was talking about his contribution to the gaming world..
l'm just very glad that they finally found a way to show the blue credits-scenes And fit some mandatory endcard together, l was really missing the blue credits scenes
Dear Paul Helman,
I too am working on a creative project that has taken years to build up, and an added difficulty that I have is that I want to include multiple parts that happen at the same time but in other places so they influence each other and yet are different. Even though some people have found problems with Horace, you know know what those problems are, and can now remaster it. If you streamline it and remove the ill-fitting parts, then people will get what they loved about the original and know that it's less flawed. Plus, remasters always attract a lot of new customers.
Emma Popovic-Bogdanich Good advice, but I doubt Paul Helman is roaming these comments consistently, so a direct message to them would probably be a more effective means of delivery :)
So the "watch a playthrough on TH-cam" style of game, gotcha
NOT THE BUZZ SAWS!!
I had nightmares of them in Hollow Knight's "Path of Pain".
Horace still looks like a Roblox character
Man I really love this game. But you are are completely right. Needs serious patching for me to recommend it.
Hey look it's the indie God
I’ve been working on a game for four years now and I come back once in a while to this to remind myself to work on something else for a bit, lol
That last line really got me!
His description of this game sounded very reminiscent of Chibi Robo. There's a weird old classic.
Thank for bringing back the after credits cartoons
I love them
This game is a prime example of “Kill your darlings”.
so many Sinistar references in the beginning. love it
I understand that pain, cause I do want to love it as well, the cutscene's and Horace himself are utterly delightful.. but then the gameplay starts and it's back to getting annoyed at Horace's oddly delayed actions while jumping sometimes getting me killed in another platforming sequence
It kinda sounds like a game that couldn't really figure out how to make it's wonderful story into a video game. So the dev decided to put in all his favorite 2d games into his story without much connection between the two.
Zero Punctuation indie rock band name of the week: Rare Electrified Whirring Sawblade Bush.
Oh boy, I have been waiting for this
Real talk, as an actual indie developer pixie I've tried to use your videos for what not to do
The references to Sinistar in this review are on my personal list of Yahtzee's best moments.
Therapist: Photonegative Horace isn't real, he can't hurt you
Photonegative Horace: 5:00
Uncivil war season 2 for the love of god I've wanted this for ever
Finally, someone who remembers Dizzy
To tell you the truth, I didn’t read the title. I just saw it was one of your videos and clicked.
not gonna lie, horace is one of my favorite games because it has a little bit of everything and the story is one of the best I've seen. but after the story there's not much to do so it feels kind of empty
Note to self: If I ever happen to be at the same party as Yahtzee, avoid the trifle.
Thr first 2 minutes of this review almost got ME convinced in its premise. Same it didn't work out.
After downloading this game from epic a year after it went free for a limited time I would like to say that I really like this game and enjoyed every moment of it, at every step you can see how much love it has recevied from the dev
WHO ELSE thought "Horace" referred to the old ZX Spectrum games "Hungry Horace" and "Horace Goes Skiing"?
Unfortunately I am old enough to remember these
What were the?
@@williamwhitehouse8741 old ZX Spectrum platform games where you played a monster called Horace
I was surprised this didn't make the end of the year list.
Horace was well worth my $3 on Nintendo e-shop. That said, I agree with 90% of your gripes. I was on a thread until the Castlevania part. Then I just had to delete the file & purge it from my life.
Horace looks like if Dizzy the egg and the lego riddler made an unwell child
Omg i asked for this in the 3 minute review of this
Their is 4 and a half hours of cutscences/dialogue in this game, that says it all.
I think Yahtz should do a ZP episode on Faith (a horror game with 2 chapters so far). It seems like a pretty good deviation from the normal horror games with its 8 bit and minimalistic graphics/sounds
Quite speedy, even for Yahtzee. And the beginning and end 😂
The ending lol
Oh. Well... I've actually seen the title card for this game before.
But I dismissed it, 'cause I legitimately thought it was a Lego version of the Riddler.
Good lord, I just happened to be watching an old Fred Dibnah doc in which he casually analogised the top of one of his beloved chimneys to "the north face of the Eiger" not 30 minutes ago! Also i'm sure you're aware but that there's the Matterhorn.
"Respect your kitchen appliances."
I watched Forsen and Ellajaz play it. Loved every moment of it and bought the game out of principal.
*BEWARE*
*I LIVE*
Well thanks for making me think about Sinistar for the first time in [REDACTED] years.
Thought the robot looked like a roblox character stuck in a visual novel.
1:06 I got here via autoplay.
"Hooooked"
Thank God it's Yahtzee time again!
Tried to watch the other guy Bob and had to stop before I cut my veins open with a paperclip.
Regarding the intro: I remembered probably the ur-example of when video games used to be good (purely in the sense of being less anti-consumer - damn solid game but not in the GOAT strata by any means). D'you remember when Rebel Strike on the GameCube was like, "right, so we've crafted you a complete, satisfying campaign (ground-based level... issues notwithstanding,) with a whole bunch of customisation options and neat challenges with multiple tiers to make replayability virtually infinite...
...oh, yeah, and in case you get bored we bolted on a complete remaster of the entire previous game in the series _for free_ and added a co-op mode to it."
Like, if you suggested that to a major publisher today, they wouldn't just fire you, they'd call the police on the assumption that you were on at least four different illegal substances at once.
What did you expect to see from a random indie game off steam? Perfectly rendered Hanging Gardens of Babylon? The Sydney Opera House, Perhaps? Herds of Wildebeest sweeping majestically-
Isn't it obvious?
Going back over old ZPs, I feel bad for these games that almost got Yahtzee’s seal of approval. Ooh, so close!
I came here expecting a skiing classic! Though I have to admit I was pacified (slightly) with a Dizzy shaped egghead.
Yahtzee, you should play Pathologic 2.
Pathologic 2 or Darkwood. Either would be an entertaining review at the very least.
@@couriadore1286 Oh man, Darkwood! I love it! Think Yahtzee might actually like both of these games.
@@couriadore1286 How about a slavic indie double bill?
I am from the future to tell you Yahtzee attempted to play Pathologic 2 and didn’t like it. That is all.
Reriiru hahahahha. He didn’t like pathologic 2 hahahhahaa
that was quite the way to begin a review
I played the whole game a couple of times and I got to say, I love it. I didn't really have problems with bugs or what not. Might have happend a few times but they were pretty funny and didn't destroy my whole run. The part after the Metroidvania bit goes back to normal and there is a couple heartbreaking scenes in the story. The ending is pretty good as well. My first time playing took me 20h to just finish the game but already the second playthrough took me just 10h to 100% the game. I wouldn't say this game is difficult but more that it's tricky (especially the bosses), you definitely need to get used to the game and play by it's rules. Minigames are fun but some are too difficult in my opinion. I broke my controller trying to complete one minigame that required me to smash both shoulder buttons like crazy. So yeah. Music is mostly fun and I like the use of classic music infused with 8-bit. Does it feel like too much? Yes, first time playing I was blown away how much it lasted. But I was thankful for it. There you go, my mini review.
Working on the site from morning to night
That's living alright.
3-4 years later, it feels REALLY off for Yahtzee to complain about the file size. Ok, it was off when this video released as well, but how many AAA games are over 100GB now? 16Gb for a large 2D platformer that takes a good many hours to get through feels tame.
Tears of the Kingdom is 18.2GB, so a 2D pixel art platformer with that kind of file size needs a serious paring down.
This like the whole horse armor $1:00 DLC that people got piss off about, and then on the current year we have games selling skins that go up to $59:99
@@pugstick Exactly. Oh, how times have changed~ lol
0:17 This is likely the most difficult sentence to understand that I've heard you say.
At first, I thought this was going to be a revival of the old 1980s Horace games for the ZX Spectrum, especially with its pixel aesthetic. Though this game is certainly an improvement from "Pac-Man clone with a weird blue face with legs."
3:57 Oh hi Sideswipe!
Yeah it can be really tempting to just put a billion things into your passion project, I feel that.
It IS 16 gigs good lord
Hey Yahtzee! I know we're getting Will Destroy the Galaxy for Cash this year, but are you working on another Differently Morphous?!
The JOJO of videogames
Can't wait to see him rip Borderlands 3 a new asshole, it'll be hilarious. And I love Borderlands.
Good to know I'm not the only one who finds this game difficult. I try again once in a while to get a little further in it when I break from other games. Will I ever finish Horace?
Taking it from Yahtzee (an actual British person) the Britishness of this game is probably less stereotypical. Horace is probably what We Happy Few was meant to be
This is like his Duke Nukem forever review!
Jack Doyle The real one?
I fucking died when you threw up old Thatcher on the screen
wtf i just realized yahtzee snuck a reference to 'eichmann in jerusalem' into the first minute of this video. dude is playing on a whole other level than us. well done
I feel like a lot of people know the phrase "the banality of evil" even if they don't know about Eichman in Jerusalem. I just assumed it was a common expression for years before I learned differently.
First time Yahtzee’s acknowledges fantasy world dizzy, rather than it being a background joke.
Eggcellent
3:57 Why, of all 'Bots, did you pick RID 2016 Sideswipe?
So this is the indy version of Too Human? Awesome story and initially incredible, but the longer you play the more the gameplay wears you down to your bones?
I thought his rant at the end reminded me of something.
Indy version because it's a passion project the creator wasn't willing to cut things out of: yes.
Indy version because it starts great and gets bad later: no. Yahtzee had absolutely nothing positive to say about Too Human and called it the worst game he ever reviewed in the Dark Void video. "Crispy fried puke right down to the bone marrow" was the phrase, i believe.
@@BFedie518 also Too Human was made by a studio that made a interesting story driven horror game with great mechanics named Eternal Darkness then make a action brawler about a generic space marine with mythological themes and bad combat mechanics. Is it me or do years in the making magnum opus' like these mutate as the years go on?
@@Rendo86 The combat mechanics weren't that bad in Too Human. Now it did have the issue of roughly half of the upgrades/play styles being designed for co-op multiplayer and useless in single player and a bit of too much randomness to those status effect enemies that could only be damaged effectively with melee but exploded and hit the player with all sorts of status effects when destroyed (usually resulting in death). The controls also took some getting use to. It was a fun game but it never lived up to the hype the game tried to advertise with the engine controversy sealing its fate. It probably could have survived if it had been a couch co-op style game even if the narrative doesn't make sense in co-op with 2 Balders.
@Rishi Rajan That's "Detroit: Become Human."
"DARQ" might be worthy of a review.
i played this at EGX
I wonder how Yahtzee would respond to The Friends Of Ringo Ishikawa. It seems like it could be something he loves for being quiet and self reflective or utterly boring with zero direction- both of which are true but I loved it
Nice
Try Wuppo, it's pretty amazing. I would also recommend my fav game La-Mulana, but almost no one have a patience for it. But generally games like Horace is much more deserving to make a video on rather then shut like new Wolf
Oh.
Horace is definitely not a wimp here, he has a life.
Seriously no ELO joke wtf man!
I'm legitimately wondering what Yahtzee's take on Pathologic 2 would be. Sure there would be parts which he would tear a new asscrack into, but I'm not sure what he might think of aspects like the plot.
To be fair steam has more gems in it then most gaming places for the PC
Only problem is you hath go on And find them
You know, I haven't had a trifle in a while...
Willing to bet apple sauce with bacon grease is delish.