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  • @SecondWindGroup
    @SecondWindGroup  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +286

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    • @benwright5844
      @benwright5844 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Are you going to do Best, Bland and Worst games of the year?

    • @SecondWindGroup
      @SecondWindGroup  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

      Yup. New name though. In January.@@benwright5844

    • @vivalachaos-h8h
      @vivalachaos-h8h 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I know this might be random but do any of you have plans on making a new D&D series

    • @JerryCan101
      @JerryCan101 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Really the only thing I watched on the escapist channel was zero punctuation. I'm glad that the series can continue, just in a different form!

    • @mechgouki7999
      @mechgouki7999 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Will you be getting a new theme song from Russ Pitts?

  • @VerenaKyratzes
    @VerenaKyratzes 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2617

    As someone who worked on this game:
    I feel like I can die happy now

    • @17arando
      @17arando 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +249

      Congrats on a game so good even Yahtzee couldn't find much to pick at. 🎉
      Definitely going to be playing through both soon ❤

    • @yosefyonin6824
      @yosefyonin6824 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +96

      hey you even have a cat avatar, you're a true citizen of New Jerusalem!

    • @dallesamllhals9161
      @dallesamllhals9161 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      @@17arando ^You make it sound EASY to "run" through T1!??

    • @nifftbatuff676
      @nifftbatuff676 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Hi! ❤ I love you and your husband. You are beautiful people.

    • @motherreaper7287
      @motherreaper7287 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Thank you for the absolutely wonderful experience.

  • @LethargicScientist
    @LethargicScientist 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2656

    It's kind of crazy how normal sequel naming seems like a novel approach

    • @Delightfully_Witchy
      @Delightfully_Witchy 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +86

      Right? I was just thinking "wasn't everyone bitching about" sterile numbering" years ago?".

    • @randomgamingramblings
      @randomgamingramblings 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +122

      What annoys me the most are franchises that flip flop between numbers and subtitles for mainline entries, like Assassin's Creed, Tomb Raider or Dragon Age. Just pick one and run with it, gee.

    • @Askorti
      @Askorti 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Delightfully_Witchy you only learn to appreciate something when you lose it.

    • @dmitriyrasskazov8858
      @dmitriyrasskazov8858 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      I just realized there is exist a few games with 2 in the title, but there is no previous game. Like Tron 2.0 or Dota 2.

    • @jdbruiser
      @jdbruiser 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Novel until they start recycling the same ones. Look at all the sequels that include "Revelations" or "Origins" in the title, there are far too many of them!

  • @GingePlaysMinecraft
    @GingePlaysMinecraft 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +958

    When his only actually critique is a comparison to Disco Fucking Elysium, you know you've made an incredible game

    • @Frosty-oj6hw
      @Frosty-oj6hw 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Dangerously close to eye fork territory.

    • @wizardpajamas6405
      @wizardpajamas6405 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      I mean he did criticize how the philosophical story lacks drama and impact and could tie in better to the actual gameplay. But I enjoyed all of that in TP1 regardless and I don't think it would dissuade anyone else who liked the first game either.

    • @bigshrekhorner
      @bigshrekhorner 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@wizardpajamas6405 That *was* what the comparison to the other game was all about, lol, so it's still the same critique

    • @MisterVercetti
      @MisterVercetti 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I mean, there’s also the fact that he used the phrase, and I quote, “really pussy juice-milkingly good” to describe it. Those aren’t the kind of words Yahtz throws around for just any ol’ game (or at least not in that specific order).

  • @DanGamingFan2406
    @DanGamingFan2406 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +669

    I was hoping for a sequel to "Random Documents and Audio Logs" but this review is still really good. It's always great to get a sequel that not only took what made the original good and improves on it, but makes itself stand out from it. This game is absolutely beautiful, and all the points of the philosophical debate encountered throughout are pretty interesting.

    • @SoloMael
      @SoloMael 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      We find them on notice boards, we find them under dogs

    • @watershipup7101
      @watershipup7101 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yes, very true.

    • @niceofgames
      @niceofgames 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      @@SoloMael we’ll put it in a file and we’ll give it a review. When we’re bored of all the gameplay and we’ve nothing else to do.

    • @E1craZ4life
      @E1craZ4life 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I want to hear a barbershop quartet arrangement of the song.

    • @potapotapotapotapotapota
      @potapotapotapotapotapota 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      let's get this Dan man to a thousand upvotes, let's achieve this Goal

  • @alwaysangry2232
    @alwaysangry2232 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +855

    Random documents and audio logs
    We find em stuck to notice boards, we find em under dogs
    We're gonna put em in a file and give it a review
    When we're bored of all the gameplay but we've nothing else to do
    Recorded just for us but they were scattered all around
    We get trophies and achievements coz there's hundreds to be found
    So we're hacking those computers and we're raiding all the drawers
    For some optional objectives and the codes to all the doors

    • @joeyparkhill8751
      @joeyparkhill8751 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      Heres my Extended Version of Random Documents and Audio Logs let me know what you think:
      Random Documents and Audio Logs
      We find 'em stuck to noticeboards
      We find 'em under dogs
      We're gonna gonna put it in a file
      And give it a review
      'Cause we're bored of all the gameplay but we've nothing else to do.
      Random Documents and Audio Logs
      They're hidden in the basement
      They're cast out into bogs
      We shuffle 'round the floorboards
      Until we've stubbed a toe
      Looking for that box
      With that cursed Audio
      Random Documents & Audio Logs
      Got us spinnin' 'round 'n 'round
      Like Sonic the Hedgehog
      We'll boggle at the lore
      'Til we're all blue in the face
      Now, get my baseball bat
      So I can put in its place!
      *THUD*

    • @johannao4849
      @johannao4849 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I was looking for this!

    • @LazarouDave
      @LazarouDave 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@joeyparkhill8751 Good attempt, but these don't really work to the tune, unless I'm misreading it

    • @joeyparkhill8751
      @joeyparkhill8751 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@LazarouDave What do you mean they don't work? not trying to be an ass I just want to know why it doesn't work. from my point of view my version won't work unless you actually sing it.

    • @whitesonmwansa7822
      @whitesonmwansa7822 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Well then sing it. Let's hear how you meant it to sound

  • @KainGerc
    @KainGerc 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +447

    "Planet of the Reasonable People" would be a novelty by this point.

    • @Georgeorat
      @Georgeorat 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +49

      It would be more of a fantasy setting, with how things are going.
      Though who am I kidding, it always has been

    • @hithere5553
      @hithere5553 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      That would be Star Trek

    • @danielf3623
      @danielf3623 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@hithere5553 Or most Azimov

    • @Georgeorat
      @Georgeorat 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ElvenRaptor depends on your definition of a "proper conduct", pillaging and slave trafficking(?) may have been considered a pasttime of true men at some point somewhere

    • @Georgeorat
      @Georgeorat 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@ElvenRaptor probably had some other justification, "this world was made for us to rule it" or something like that. They always do

  • @kveller555
    @kveller555 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +46

    I personally really enjoyed the "we're a very reasonable bunch" thing. It feeds back to the themes of the utopia* these robots managed to create; a place where everything works like clockwork without causing destruction left and right, and where people don't even get mad in the face of ideas that contradict what they believe in, illustrating how far they've advanced when compared to the flesh and bone era of humanity. Growing and expanding isn't only a potential threat because of the damage technology could cause, but it could also result in a lot of people forgetting how to accept different ideas due to them no longer being part of a single tight-knit community.
    * I'm well aware that the city has a serious energy problem among other things, but that's besides the point.

    • @FalzarGregar
      @FalzarGregar 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Meanwhile, Thecla:

  • @ethanlivemere1162
    @ethanlivemere1162 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

    I still admire the original Talos Principle for giving the most accurate representation of an internet argument I've ever seen in a video game. When I was debating the computer, I got so pissed off by the end, only to score an only somewhat satiafying victory when he just started copy-pasting the same message because he didn't have any better retorts.

  • @mmseng2
    @mmseng2 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

    Counterargument: The primary philisophical dilemma escalating into a giant space laser battle would have detracted from the ostensibly-intentional uncomfortability that the game presses you into for the purpose of making you question your beliefs and actually, you know, think about stuff.
    Also that is the plot of Gurren Lagann.

  • @GianniMatragrano
    @GianniMatragrano 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Was so much more ambitious than a sequel even has to be, but genuinely all the better for it. Seems like a big risk but I think it paid off. I'm as surprised as anyone that a god damn puzzle game is my game of the year, but here we are.

    • @Will_-it3mh
      @Will_-it3mh 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      yo gabriel Ultrakill. Thoughts on the Road to Elysium DLC?

  • @Incog-e1z
    @Incog-e1z 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +375

    Honestly, I’m so happy that you guys are doing this. As an indie developer, makes me believe that even my company can find its footing.

    • @richardhunter9779
      @richardhunter9779 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      I mean, Croteam did come out out of nowhere, busting out of Eastern Europe, bucking industry trends and dropping a hot masterpiece with the original Serious Sam, but I guess the Talos Principle is pretty cool too.

    • @alex.g7317
      @alex.g7317 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Boy, oh boy, if the game comes out let’s hope it ain’t Yahtzee reviewing it 😂

    • @Just4Fun-Zocker
      @Just4Fun-Zocker 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@richardhunter9779Please tell me you did not really call Serious Sam a masterpiece.

    • @celestialstar6450
      @celestialstar6450 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We’re cheering for you! ✨💫🌈

    • @Incog-e1z
      @Incog-e1z 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@alex.g7317 I wouldn’t mind if Yahtzee reviewed it. He’d give it a good spanking, but then talk about what our game did right.

  • @anaguma90
    @anaguma90 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I disagree with the ending point - I liked that everyone in the game can discuss their disagreements in a civil manner without forced emotional drama. Reminds me of how in 90s Star Trek the best part of the show was always the meeting where they discuss how to solve the problem of the week, getting a range of opinions - something sorely missing in the modern era.

  • @amanofnoreputation2164
    @amanofnoreputation2164 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +218

    Man, the more I listen to it the more I enjoy the Fully Ramblomatic theme. I might even like it better than the old [REDACTED] theme song.

    • @htmn_2
      @htmn_2 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      This one is fire, and how well it matches the ascending credits, i just dont have words.

    • @zbsfm
      @zbsfm 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      it's already pretty much replaced the ZP theme in my head. whoah.

    • @massdefect1
      @massdefect1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yep, I adore the new theme.

    • @steveheist6426
      @steveheist6426 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It needs some kind of drumroll into the outro theme because it kinda sounds like it's starting "mid thought" but beyond that it's good :D

    • @chriscarnell859
      @chriscarnell859 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Same. It's growing on me.

  • @dhama5804
    @dhama5804 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +216

    I think it's big kudos to the devs for making a game, where the target audience are adults, engaging without sex or much violence.
    The first one was wonderful and some of the notes were very silly - like the one written in hexidecimel.

    • @Scorpio3002
      @Scorpio3002 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      Hex code is present in portions of like half the text logs of both games. It's a great way to symbolize the corruption of the files, while also rewarding the curiosity of people with the diligence to to manually type raw hex codes into a translator. Weirld little freaks like me, that is.

    • @Tustin2121
      @Tustin2121 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      The first one gave me an existential crisis reading the random documents and audio logs. I never ended up finishing it. Idk if the second one will as well, but it sounds like it might.

    • @willheid
      @willheid 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Scorpio3002 There are two of us. :-)

  • @goldengolem4670
    @goldengolem4670 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +150

    To be fair, i like the approach that the robots are all reasonable and don't physhichally fight.
    Makes up for all the times in games where the I in AI might as well mean ICBM.

    • @ee822
      @ee822 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +52

      Yahtzee may be wanting some Diogenes equivalents, who can somewhat chaotically derail discussions by dragging things back down to earth in a way that leads to more philosophy. The classic "Behold, man" while holding up a defeathered chicken sorta deal.

    • @jurtheorc8117
      @jurtheorc8117 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Funnily enough, lead writer Jon Kyratzes also worked on another game that released this year that seems to be an opposite of TP2's world, that being Clash: Artifacts of Chaos.
      Instead of a futuristic world of robots trying to learn from humanity before, Zenozoik (the land the Zeno Clash games are set in) is pretty much a prehistory. Though there's nary a human in sight: the game mainly has sapient, monstrous freaks that take the shape of stuff like a boomerang-throwing goose woman, a morbidly obese turkey with mushroom caps growing over his body, a big Platybelodon man or three-legged buff moose man with a three-eyed face shoved into its torso sideways like a flounder.
      People fight a lot to solve stuff but are hardy enough to get up from each beating, there's not even a concept of currency yet, and the only ruler only has a single law: before a physical confrontation, either opponent can challenge the other to a board game involving dice and take turns playing modifiers to affect the score.
      The winner of the die game gets to impose a condition on the loser before the physical altercation starts.
      What's fun is that at points, if you're not noticed yet, you can hear any sapient enemy like these mercenaries give a monologue about why they do what they do.
      Greed, ambition, the thrill of a hunt, envy, just trying to get by in the world, a belief in social Darwinism, genuine belief that the ruler of the land can make a positive difference (while enjoying the prospect of beating folks up) or just wanting to eat someone while respecting that you yourself may be eaten one day -- it's all there.
      Jonas Kyratzes' work might not be as in-depth on philosophical points, but it's still there, especially where it concerns the power of the afore-described dice game and why people even adhere to it in the first place. And the writing's just generally very solid.
      Very much recommend looking it up, or at least spreading word about it.

    • @metazoxan2
      @metazoxan2 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      It's fine they don't physically fight but it needed a stronger sense of tension in the debates.
      Maybe imply that violence is a possability if no resolution is found.
      Not everythign needs violence but a good story needs a sense of crisis or tension and everyone calmly making their points and agreeing to disagree takes a lot of that away.
      Basically it needed a little more focus on story structure to add some flavor to all that philosophy.

    • @Kaefer1973
      @Kaefer1973 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@metazoxan2 "a good story needs a sense of crisis or tension"
      While I can't agree to that, since I read some great tension free stories, it's at least true for most types of stories.

    • @goldengolem4670
      @goldengolem4670 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@metazoxan2 But i dont think the type of robots who would create such frictions would arise from tallos 1

  • @jokiu4
    @jokiu4 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    We've really come full circle!
    Your review on the first Talos Principle is actually how I discovered your content so long ago. And now we're back with the sequel but this time under a new show name, or old if you've discovered Fully Ramblomatic before it became ZP.

  • @xaruks.4699
    @xaruks.4699 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +95

    Exit music is still jarringly louder than all of Yahtzee but glad to see the progress being made with this new series!

    • @devanturner5279
      @devanturner5279 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      I mean, at this point it's tradition. If they made it quieter it would weird me out.

  • @ArdalanKian
    @ArdalanKian 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

    I totally agree with everything here. The Talos Principle 2 is a downright masterpiece and I was in awe from start to finish. Made me feel really smart, making me almost cosplay as a philosopher in my own home.

    • @B_Skizzle
      @B_Skizzle 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Seriously, it’s like the platonic ideal of a sequel. It expands and improves on virtually every aspect of the first game. Sequels often give me a newfound appreciation for their predecessors, but they usually do so in a negative way. Not this time, though.

  • @prahanormal
    @prahanormal 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    I adore this series so much. I'm always enamored with a game that makes me actively seek out every bit of the writing I can instead of mashing theough everything and avoiding conversations.

  • @yhorm8735
    @yhorm8735 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    "Planet of the Nice Reasonable People" is literally "Our of the Silent Planet" by CS Lewis

  • @Deathstorm501
    @Deathstorm501 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +103

    I would love to be part of a gaming stream where the audience is nothing but Greek philosophers. Same amount of crude jokes, but now with an air of sophistication

    • @CheshireCad
      @CheshireCad 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      >Diogenes has entered the chat
      >Diogenes: SUP BITCHES I'M BACK FROM MY MOST RECENT TEMP-BAN AND I HEARD THAT SOMEONE MADE AN ASSUMPTION ABOUT "SOPHISTICATION" THAT NEEDED TO BE PROVEN WRONG IMMEDIATELY

  • @randomgamingramblings
    @randomgamingramblings 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +219

    "Not so ruff, humanity-chan" sent me lmao

    • @MoskalMedia
      @MoskalMedia 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      One of the funniest visual gags Yahtzee has ever done!

  • @kevinwilcox6943
    @kevinwilcox6943 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +95

    This is going on his top 10 list, and might be near the top.
    I was wondering if he would find the philosophy a little shallow or the puzzles a little easy. What I appreciated most about this game were the puzzles, yes, but also the scrap text documents containing real world excerpts from philosophical/sociological/theological texts. Nothing like a timeless quote to keep them brain boners stiff.

    • @anonony9081
      @anonony9081 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I felt like the philosophy stuff got a little overbearing at points. About halfway through the game I decided I just wanted to do the puzzles and started fast forwarding through most of the non-essential dialogue.

    • @kevinwilcox6943
      @kevinwilcox6943 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      @@anonony9081
      This game is essentially designed for people like me. What I liked most about the philosophy was the way in which it made a compelling case for a series of mutually exclusive perspectives. That takes a healthy measure of humility and skill to keep from letting any one view obviously take "front and center" as the "good" path.
      That said, as a philosophy buff myself, I was wanting more depth and sophistication in the perspectives actually taken by the characters. I did, though, appreciate the occasional winks at those players who had read the source material the games themes draw from.

    • @jurtheorc8117
      @jurtheorc8117 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kevinwilcox6943 If you like lead writer Jonas Kyratzes' work on Talos Principle 2, you might find something to enjoy in Clash: Artifacts of Chaos from earlier this year, which he worked on as well. It's set in a very colourful prehistoric world full of monsters. Nary a human in sight, it's mainly creatures (however sapient) that brings to mind medieval drolary doodles, prehistoric animals, and Stan Winston studio puppets á la The Dark Crystal.
      It doesn't dip super deeply into philosophy, as the story is more so an intimate bond between a recluse martial artists and a boy who is preyed upon by various mercenaries. It's also quite action-oriented, like a 3D beat-em-up.
      Nevertheless, for its presentation and world alone it deserves to be more talked about. The Zeno Clash series as a whole ought to be.

    • @scalarmotion
      @scalarmotion 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Yeah, the puzzles were bogged down a bit by how they introduce new puzzle mechanics in almost every area and have to drop the difficulty for a bit while you learn.
      The few "endgame" puzzles require you to think about some mechanics differently from how they're usually used and give me hope that they will eventually put out a DLC that just focuses on raising the bar with the mechanics we already have, like what Road to Gehenna did for Talos Principle 1.

    • @NecrochildK
      @NecrochildK 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@scalarmotion Oh, I would SO love a DLC for it. Though I do wonder, considering there's I think four endings? How they would manage it and still take in the choices you made at the end and how it affected the civilization afterwards. Unless they do it as an insert in mid game story. Still, the original had a DLC, I can still hope for more for 2.

  • @Ganondward
    @Ganondward 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    I'm just happy to be directing laser beams around mazes again after all these years.

  • @thirdcoinedge
    @thirdcoinedge 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +191

    THEY MADE ANOTHER ONE?! Okay, you've got my attention now, Yahtzee.

    • @bubbleburster2813
      @bubbleburster2813 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@YolandaPlayne Good news: Talos 2 has a new mechanic every 8 puzzles

  • @ursarctos
    @ursarctos 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    This is one of my favorite games of 2023, so I'm glad to see you got around to reviewing it! All the talking to NPCs initially had me quite worried because of how different it was and how easily they could've fucked that up, but I ended up being very pleasantly surprised by it! The additional bits you get by doing a 100% run also felt appropriately satisfying, and I'd definitely recommend people to aim for that if they play it.

  • @lax9586
    @lax9586 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    It is very refreshing to see yahtzee give a review about a game he really likes but can objectively see why others wouldnt like it.

  • @0NBalfa0
    @0NBalfa0 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The game is stunning, dry, vast, and exactly as yatz described. I love and appreciate it deeply as it's very nice to get something that throws you in a not so straight up and done situation. It knows what responsibility it was with being a sequel and fucking shows you that it's not going to mess around with that one bit.

  • @legomaniac213
    @legomaniac213 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    It's always fun during a review when you can tell: "oh yeah, this one is going in one of the Top 5 lists."

    • @EmperorSeth
      @EmperorSeth 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      At this point, I'm thinking this, definitely Hi-Fi Rush, prooobably TotK, and the rest I'm not sure of.

  • @ReverendTed
    @ReverendTed 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Yes, people disagreeing without excessive drama isn't sexy or exciting, but that's the _point_ - our media has been training us that we need to blow up and "get the better of" those who disagree with us.
    To the point that the one or two characters who act downright angry with you for your choices seem like the nutjobs, I found that aspect as refreshing as the straightforward sequel naming convention.

  • @kadenkks
    @kadenkks 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    So the original game had a lot to say about what it means to be human, to have free will and self determination. One of the discussions I really enjoyed from this game is that we look at what it means to have a bunch of freshly sentient beings having to create and learn how to operate in and with society, the kind of natural extension of what it is to be person being what it is to be a people. Making sure that that society is a place for everyone and the importance of hearing voices you don't agree with. Pandora and Prometheus as these two opposed ideals that would silence the other, but they're both right to a point. Like, "how do we actually have discourse?" is a pretty important question for people to ask themselves at the moment and I've been thoroughly enjoying how the game plays with it

    • @twhittygames
      @twhittygames 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I also like that it took the first game's "Can a machine be a person?" question and, rather than rehash it, declared the answer "yes" and moved on to spend the rest of the game asking different things.

  • @viridianloom
    @viridianloom 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think one thing they could have fixed, in relation to Yatzee's complaint about traipsing back and forth across the large environments, is to have given you an idea of where to actually start on the Pandora monument puzzles. I found that the Sphinx and Prometheus puzzles were just fine since the Sphinx's plaque in combination with your mental map of the surrounding area gives you an idea of where something is and Prometheus's torch hints in the direction of where his spark is. But Pandora? Unless you saw a little doodad hanging off the environment somewhere, you're basically just revisiting every puzzle, painstakingly holding connectors in your hand while looking over the walls of the puzzle, hoping you can spot the environmental doodad. Like, for the entire game I couldn't figure out an logical approach to where to start with those. And everything else, like locating the monuments, terminals, lost puzzles, or laboratories are all question mark icons on your compass so it's easy to locate those without feeling like you're getting lost in the huge space. So yeah, I get the feeling Yahtzee's complaint has more to do with the Pandora puzzles making the environments seem like a pain to traverse. Which is a shame because I definitely think the environments themselves are very gorgeous and a huge appeal to this game.

  • @gamepapa1211
    @gamepapa1211 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I guess that is the ideal society, isn't it: a place where people can disagree without calling each other twats. Talos Principle 2 gave us an optimistic look on a post-apocalyptic future, and that is rare!

  • @Frosty-oj6hw
    @Frosty-oj6hw 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I'm so glad this got a sequel, the first game is an exceptional puzzle game that all puzzle gamers should play, in terms of puzzles and design it's somewhere up there with The Witness. The kind of game you get about 1 of per decade.

    • @SnapDragon128
      @SnapDragon128 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      What's funny is that, while the puzzles in The Witness are jaw-droppingly clever, the audio logs were pretentious and simplistic philosophobabble (I suspect it's mostly just crap that Jonathan Blow thought was super insightful while on some drug trip or other). In contrast, TP2's puzzles are a little more on the standard side, but the philosophy and story is incredibly deep and meaningful.

  • @Mr_Muda_Himself
    @Mr_Muda_Himself 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    The first positive review of Fully Ramblomatic, you love to see it.

  • @cola98765
    @cola98765 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    3:33 Those who played first game to completion know exactly why there is memorial to cats.

  • @darkly77
    @darkly77 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Can I just say how nice it is to have the review when it's ready, instead of waiting a week for it.
    Now I get to watch my fave reviewer before seeing anyone else's reviews 😊
    Tbh it felt like The Escapist kept doing stuff to prioritise profit over people's enjoyment, and I swear it was getting worse... like stuffing ads before big reviews. But it was like a sinking ship we were all tied to, because you guys make some of the best content on YT. I'm so glad you went independent.

  • @StayTh1rsty
    @StayTh1rsty 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This review is a wonderful breath of fresh air. Thank you so much for your thoughts, Yatzee!

  • @Luukluukluuk12
    @Luukluukluuk12 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I'm so happyyyyyyyyyyy that this show continued (albeit under different branding). I had been following ZP since '07..! ❤

  • @redgarlicbred6228
    @redgarlicbred6228 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    As a decade long ZP viewer, lemme just say how happy i am that the outro song is 50% louder than the video itself

  • @susseratal
    @susseratal 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    While I wasn't convinced at first, this new art style is actually growing on me as the little rough bits get ironed out

    • @Neophlegm
      @Neophlegm 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Honestly I feel like I'm in now. I don't even really miss [CENSORED]

  • @gobokinje9183
    @gobokinje9183 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I have watched every video of ZP from the start and, while shaken by the change, and glad to see what feels like a return to the Joy that it once wad originally in this.
    Its much less clinical, lots of eggshell under the toenails flaking off like so much chaff.
    Cheers, Ben, Much more to you and everyone else involved.

  • @SpiderwebIntheCorner
    @SpiderwebIntheCorner 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    The idea of a stream chat filled with philosophers is hilarious. Like, imagine playing Skyrim and Socrates superchats one question and then the rest of the stream is just philosophers arguing.

  • @NicholsonStudios
    @NicholsonStudios 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    ‘Planet of the Nice Reasonable People’ is underrated, I’m glad you mentioned it

  • @shemjaza
    @shemjaza 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Really fascinating is watching the reviews of Talos Principle 1 and 2 back to back to see the change in style and attitude almost a decade can bring.

  • @prcervi
    @prcervi 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    the cat is a reference to things mentioned in the documents and audio logs in the first game, i remember that it was actually a bit funny
    and i don't know whether to be surprised or not that a puzzle game hasn't got any drama or tension going on, it is a puzzle game still, but for a sequel i'd be expecting more then just getting your ear talked off by the philosophy department
    points given for making a world with life, points taken for making that life boring af to talk with

  • @bilinasmini3480
    @bilinasmini3480 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    A NEW ONE THAT THEY MADE? Alright, Yahtzee, you have my whole attention now.

  • @brysonlambes7175
    @brysonlambes7175 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I'm kinda surprised he liked this so much, but I totally agree. It's a complete evolution of what worked in the first game. That lack of action that might have sunk its broad apeal really spoke to me. I love this model of a society that still has conflict but goes about it camly and carefully.

  • @Evanz111
    @Evanz111 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Damn, I can’t believe a bold developer actually had the mind to create a sequel to their game, that’s crazy

  • @Shorty_Lickens
    @Shorty_Lickens 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Im glad Yahtzee was happy with this, cuz otherwise I may have cried.

    • @RealHero101111
      @RealHero101111 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      aww ye. its soo amazing

  • @sorio99
    @sorio99 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I rarely use Yahtzee’s reviews as hard recommendations (we have VERY different tastes in games), but since he partially inspired me to play the original TTP, I popped into this review to see if I should get the sequel. So I’m very glad he said up front it’s “really pussy juice milkingly good”.

  • @Gabri_Lovecraft
    @Gabri_Lovecraft 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Yahtzee's best tool is that he's a really smart person that can immerse himself in something highly intellectual, but he's also smart enough to know when you need to have a bit of excitement to it. He doesn't just go "oh look at how smart this game is, it's only for big brain billies like me" or "LMAO this game's for nerds" he strikes the balance of "this is very smart and interesting but you can do this while also having a bit of fun with it." The smartest people know that you need to sometimes be dumb.

  • @mikehab7453
    @mikehab7453 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I feel like I had the opposite approach to the first Talos Principle - I was there for the lore and backstory, and the puzzles were in the way of solving the next bit of juicy, tasty lore

  • @bilbo1778
    @bilbo1778 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Been waiting for this one the long time - Talos Principle was the most enjoyable puzzle game experience I've had within the past 10-15 years and I gobbled up every word of the philosophic prose and fully engrossed myself in the story. Glad the sequel has the Yahtzee seal of approval.

  • @oposdeo
    @oposdeo 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This is a great take on the game. In my opinion, Talos Principle 2 is a shoe in for best game released this year, it's so incredibly deep and thought provoking, but gives you breaks from the thinking to go sightseeing and redirect lasers at things. I feel like I'm a person who spends entirely too much time thinking about philosophy, but this game is making me see a lot of things in a new, more nuanced light. Many times I pick a choice that really resonates with me, and then the robot I'm talking to completely destroys my perspective with a solid counter argument and I'm left feeling like a total knob. It's really smart.

  • @Yadnnday
    @Yadnnday 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome video, thanks again to all of you behind the video

  • @merrittanimation7721
    @merrittanimation7721 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Born to word search, forced to philosophize

  • @Consural
    @Consural 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    3:56 A (robot) man of culture on the top left of the screen there

  • @xFluing
    @xFluing 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The memorial to cats seems like such a yaqut thing to do

  • @ergohash2517
    @ergohash2517 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    this was my first ever pre-order and I had such a blast with this game. really loved the cast of characters and how tight and accessible puzzles were.

  • @GmodPlusWoW
    @GmodPlusWoW 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Funny that thing about CroTeam: whether they're throwing thousands of enemies at you or asking you to solve laser puzzles, they love to give you a big environment to do it in. And in Serious Sam 2 (not to be confused with Second Encounter), they let you cross their vast distances in vehicles.
    I don't remember if Serious Sam 4 had vehicles in it, but I hope it did. After all, to paraphrase Crazy Vaclav, "Zagreb girls will think you're a goldsmith" if you have good vehicles in your games.

    • @bramvanduijn8086
      @bramvanduijn8086 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I am getting more and more sick of games that waste my time with "hold forward for several minutes to access the rest of the game". I want spreadsheet-like gameplay elements back so I can access the next content without putting a pebble on the W and going to grab a drink.

  • @tabletoparcade4203
    @tabletoparcade4203 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Sorry I'm late, I only found out about the new channel just now.
    Ooh, love the new branding!

  • @VinceTrousers4
    @VinceTrousers4 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This was such a great sequel, exactly what I hoped it would be. Croteam, if you're reading this, awesome work!!

  • @LetruneInedil
    @LetruneInedil 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The cat "obsession" of the robots makes perfect sense in the first and second Talos Principle games. In this essay, I will...

  • @onewingedangel30
    @onewingedangel30 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    thanks for bringing more attention to this brilliant game, yahtzee. completely snubbed in all the awards shows for no reason

  • @Nov-5062
    @Nov-5062 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The first Talos Principle is my favorite game ever, I have really high hopes fir the first one. I gotta try it.

  • @Oisin2
    @Oisin2 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The Talos Principle 2: "It's willie-fiddling good!"

  • @Fuuntag
    @Fuuntag 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Nice to see normal programming has been resumed. Yahtzee knows; consistency is key. 👌🏻

  • @ArosIrwin
    @ArosIrwin 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It is incredible that these guys have consistently dropped something every few days since starting. They're blazing through reviews at a rate previously only dreamed of in the ZP days! Great job guys!

  • @richtheobald4390
    @richtheobald4390 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    How did Yahtzee not mention the fact that one of the characters who has a distint British accent makes your name of 1K sound like "WONKY"? She was my favourite.
    But wait, you say, British accent on a Robot? Wait until you hear the silver surfer dude.

    • @punkdigerati
      @punkdigerati 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@louisduarte8763 1k is 1000, they all just have numbers, though some choose names as well

    • @twhittygames
      @twhittygames 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Don't forget Doge, my personal favorite.

  • @TheCreepypro
    @TheCreepypro 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    love when yahtzee talks about games like this! such good scripting!

  • @Ciran87
    @Ciran87 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is the ever present issue with fiction, that the Venn diagram of good drama and healthy behaviour has an extremely slim overlap.

  • @sirdropkick2251
    @sirdropkick2251 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Really glad yahtzee got a new show going I've been listing to this since middleschool

  • @JRPKeller
    @JRPKeller 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The color coded thing is brilliant. Plot is white (and related criticism, good and bad), mechanics are blue (and related criticism, good and bad), good stuff overall is in green, bad stuff overall is in red. Simple and elegant....and something that improves upon the format in compelling ways.

  • @Ribsteak
    @Ribsteak 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    the theme song for this is great I love it, I look forward to hearing it every time these are posted.

  • @omnisel
    @omnisel 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    YAY TALOS PRAISE !!!!
    I spend all of November working my through and 100%ing the game and I had an absolutely fantastic time, the core philosophical message and journey spoke to me a lot more than Talos 1 did
    Completely agree, my biggest issue with the game (besides the performance issues) is that going for stars and lost puzzles can mean doing a LOT of wandering, and if I was a fan of walking sims I'd be ok with it but I am not so I am not ok with it. I can appreciate the beauty when I'm not walking back and forth across an entire desert just to twiddle with a connector.

  • @Thraim.
    @Thraim. 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Good thing we're all refined gentlemen around here.

  • @TommyBirdman
    @TommyBirdman 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I love this video. Yahtzee doesn't miss. 10/10. Now I'm going to go play Planet of the Reasonable People

  • @MisterVercetti
    @MisterVercetti 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    With how this year's generally been going for Yahtz and the games he's reviewed, we might just have ourselves a stealth GOTY right here.

  • @benl2140
    @benl2140 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For a moment there I was worried that the end credits gags that were a staple of The Show That Is Legally Distinct From This One wouldn't be returning, but thankfully my patience was rewarded.

  • @creamyspinach4182
    @creamyspinach4182 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Glad to see Yahtzee back in his natural habitat. Return of the king

  • @sensarna
    @sensarna 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Deep philosophical debate cannot beat humanity's need for drama

  • @JasonNickel
    @JasonNickel 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I'm a few hours in and I love the dry humor and silly social media debates in this game. And it does actually get a bit "heated" from time to time!

    • @twhittygames
      @twhittygames 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I was a bit taken aback by how aggressive some of the characters would get in dialogue when I said some platitude like "death is natural," but I ended up really appreciating it.

  • @thirdofherne9232
    @thirdofherne9232 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Didn't even know it existed. Thank you, without this video I doubt I would've known about it. Loved Talos Principle.

  • @robertbreedlovecraft
    @robertbreedlovecraft 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Don't tell me Gamurs also owns the rights to "Random Documents and Audio Logs"

  • @lexman7179
    @lexman7179 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I think the most positive thing to come from the split is the new show has much better music.

  • @MaghnusPlus
    @MaghnusPlus 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I used to watch ZP credits for the three jokes sewn into them. Now I watch the FR credits because the music is a banger.

  • @sass2836
    @sass2836 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Amazing review as always from Yahtzee, and I think this was one of my favorites in a long time. Both hilarious and informative from beginning to end. I've been meaning to play The Talos Principle for awhile, so I'll bump it up the to do list in order to play the sequel.

  • @wasolaso1840
    @wasolaso1840 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm glad you made red background less saturated. Previous was a bit too much of an eye strain

  • @Iyasenu
    @Iyasenu 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Naming conventions could've been even worse!
    It also thankfully wasn't "The TWOlos Principle" either.

  • @corvididaecorax2991
    @corvididaecorax2991 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My only major personal criticism of the game is the lack of a significant 'combine all the mechanics we have been learning all this time' section at the end. It kind of technically exists, but was rather short and simple compared to the one in the original game. Definitely nothing like a huge towering stack of puzzles through the sky.
    Though I accidentally sequence broke the final puzzle in The Talos Principle II, solving half of it out of order, so perhaps my experience wasn't quite intended.

  • @Dunny261
    @Dunny261 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I feel like it is almost a shame that yahtzee skipped over the fact that the star puzzles in this game were less obtuse, as there were only 3 styles of puzzle, with clear solutions, but finding the solution was the challenge, rather than finding the hidden wall like it was in the first game.

  • @andreweaston1779
    @andreweaston1779 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So glad you're back!

  • @soleenzo893
    @soleenzo893 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I had a really bad day, being able to watch another ZP, er i mean FR, helped. Tghanks yahtz and second wind team!

  • @belladyn
    @belladyn 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I felt similar to the videos start (about puzzle games, not about being smart) since i started shadows of doubt recently and was amazed how thrilling a good riddle can be if it is presented right.

  • @BlueAversion
    @BlueAversion 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

    So, who feels like donating to yahtzee’s next live stream and asking him to say ‘willy fiddlers’?

  • @loveshankme
    @loveshankme 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Random documents and audio logs
    We'll find them stuck to noticeboards, we'll find them under dogs
    We're going to put them in a file and give them to review
    When were bored of all the gameplay and we've nothing else to do!

  • @RobertMcGovernTarasis
    @RobertMcGovernTarasis 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Your review has helped me decide to buy it

  • @morantNO1
    @morantNO1 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Honestly, the city of philosophers watching your "stream" part was hillarious and got me hyped for the game. That sounds awesome.