@@zachansen8293 "They" were dozens of commenters on this very channel and, no, I didn't believe them for a millisecond. I even tried to explain that wasn't going to be the case, but gave up because I knew that time would prove me right.....and it did!
Coaches loosing by 20 points are frequently tossed because they tend to argue with umpires instead of their players. It usually does not have to with the umpires having or not heart and soul. They usually pretend they never have. 😉
This is amazing coverage! But gosh, this team is always a nightmare. I would know, I've called them at least 4-5 times. Pretty sure you get a warning about them before the game, but I haven't worked this league in a minute. I can't imagine having to eject these guys during ABS. It's kind of embarassing, right? Everyone's gonna deal with the system, and it's certainly not the umpire's job to be a systems administrator for whatever weird technology they've got in a booth somewhere!
I have the plate in a PONY league Colt division game. The 10 run rule is in effect and the score is something like 18-2 for the visiting team in the top of the 5th with 2 outs. A 3-1 pitch comes floating by off the inside corner and barely disturbs the air in the strike zone as it goes by. I call it a strike and the batter looks at me. We knew each other on a first name basis and I say to him in a low voice "What's the score, Jake?". He simply says "Okay, blue." and hits a line drive to the SS on the next pitch for the third out. The home team went 3 up and 3 down in the bottom half, everybody can go home. Game management.
A number of those pitches looked like lobs (not like Dave LaRoche used to throw). It's not where it is when the catcher catches it. It's a question of if it passed through the strike zone on its way there. I think the "controversial" pitches missed high but because of the dropping motion, they looked good by the time they were in the catcher's glove.
challenge system is the best option , also it will provide just a little more fun drama into the game when the hitter or catcher get their challenge wrong
challenge systems when you can just know the correct call in real time is dumb. Just as bad in baseball as it is in tennis. challenges should be for things that need a person to look at in slow mo.
Nobody is saying the calls were missed. The point was, considering it was a 12+ run game, umps would normally call some of those strikes so everyone could go home Also, the post game prinout didnt have pitch data for some pitches in the inning
MLB teams look at your stat line when they want to bring a player up, you think an umpire should be the one deciding if a pitch is a strike or a ball on how they feel? That’s ridiculous
@adammiller5301 You can't believe that if a kid is being eyed for call up that a game like this will affect the thumbs up or thumbs down on that player. With the amount of stats that baseball clubs have on players a game like this, that is out of hand, won't change the decision. An slightly enlarged strike zone is mercy that is needed in a game like this.
Of course, we don't call strikes where the catcher receives the pitch (which may look like a strike) but whether or not the ball passes through the zone. That poor position player was throwing loopers, which may have missed the zone altogether, regardless of where the catcher received it. And, our 2-dimensional view may not be showing the truth.
Both sides would like for a lot of those pitches to be called strikes. Any fully automated K zone is going to have zero nuance and feel for the game, which worsens the situation.
@@alexchavez3383 Turns out the "perfect game" advocates can't have their cake and eat it too. Remember everyone: THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT: a perfect rulebook zone all the time, even when the team is out of arms and puts Albert Pujols on the mound. Prepare for the WalkAThon.
@@alexchavez3383 surely the offensive team didn't want those called strikes, because it was up to them that. They could had all pitches called strike without tearing down the rule, opposite from the umpire situation.
Remember that the strike zone is also 17 inches deep, which means that the computer may have trouble with pitches that enter the back half of the zone.
It didn't "miss" a pitch. The pitcher was throwing eephus pitches over the strike zone and to the side of the plate. Sounds like the narrator would prefer to have non-strikes be called to help the flow of the game rather than accurately call a game. That's what has kept Angel Hernandez around for decades. He just had a stinker of a game yesterday. Calling all around the plate strikes. Sound like you would have preferred his bad calls to help the pitcher rather than accuracy.
Sadly, we’ve seen way too many times when the system takes a pitch or more off. ABS games.. that’s bad… at least with the Challenge.. it gets a call. I will say though, most didn’t look like strikes.. but probably shoudl have been given the scoreboard.
Oh great make a boring game even longer, to pause, challenge, review, make the call, then one of the managers will argue, ejection, then another few minutes for them to actually leavr
Like it or not, fully automated balls and strikes are the future. I could see MLB enacting a mercy rule for the 9th in blowout games to avoid this type of situation. But turn off ABS? No way.
@@patersonplankrd That seems a bit extreme. You won't at least give it a try? I wasn't happy when the NL brought on the DH, but I got over it. I found some things to like about the change even though I'm still not wild about terrible fielders being able to hide in the dugout.
I'd like to see a "mercy option" where once 6 full innings are played, the manager of a team down by 5+ runs can elect to concede the game to the opposing team at any point before the top or bottom of an inning. Make it a theatrical thing, where the manager comes out and throws a white towel over the home plate area. Watching position players pitch in blowout games isn't much fun for fans and only serves to tire everyone out and to pad stats.
@@jayschafer1760 6 innings is too soon. Too many managers would throw in the towel at that point to save their bullpens, which is BS. If your starter is ineffective, one of the consequences *should* be a heavier workload for your bullpen, especially in a playoff series. I've seen plenty of clubs rally back from 5 down in the 6th. With a 6th inning mercy rule, many of those rallies would never happen because the analytics departments would tell managers to just pull the plug instead.
@@nycres The thing is this: Because we can measure something down to the 1/10th millimeter, should we? Baseball has survived successfully for 150+ years without having to measure and I'd argue _because of_ it. The game is very much about unexpected variables and yes, personalities. The strike zone is a huge part of that. Essentially full ABS completely robs the game of a lot of already dwindling drama and just makes it like everything else in modern life: Measured to an infinitesimal and enjoyable degree. So I'm with @patersonplankrd on this one.
Simple logic...the batters knew those were strikes and they knew how the ABS works and that the umpire cannot, by rule, call strikes unless he gets the notification. So when those meatballs came down the middle of the zone and weren't being called strikes, they knew nothing was going to be called a strike and they stopped swinging. Once the umpire went off script and started calling strikes again to keep the game moving, they started swinging again.
Let’s be crystal clear, the computer did not have an issue. The ABS zone is decidedly smaller than a human zone. That sucks sometimes. Especially in a situation like this.. Definitely something to consider when deciding its implementation. On another note, atta boy Taka!
I watched an ABS at Las Vegas a few days ago, and they displayed the pitch location (as seen by ABS) on the scoreboard, and there were _a lot_ of pitches that (if the system is right) the pitcher would get with a human ump. It was ridiculously tight. It was stuff that was barely a hair's breadth from the edges, according to the display. You could see the pitchers getting pissed, but they had nowhere to direct the frustration. I guess if the goal is to increase offense by shrinking the zone and making pitchers put it right there every time, then it will probably succeed. But RIP every pitcher's stats.
@XXelpollodiabloXX makes pitchers more accountable as umps give more zone then technically required. If they cone up in ABS they will know every pitch is correct and human umps will also give them the call in the bigs
@@XXelpollodiabloXX it’s an interesting way to watch a game though right? Pitchers get all upset but most teams don’t allow them to initiate a challenge because they want EVERY pitch 😂😂
We've seen MLB umpires miss pitches all day, so the system has the opportunity to do better. And "maybe" they could do a quick diagnostic on the ABS between innings? Whatever the reason though, I'm sure that MLB pitchers can throw within the strike zone, although they might gripe that the strike zone is smaller than what a human umpire might call. Can't have it both ways though, they often gripe about not getting a strike called, I want to see one of these epic meltdown managers go scream at the ABS system and the ABS system says "YOU. ARE. OUT. OF. HERE."
I was just talking about this with some friends over dinner last night. A serous question, if you know as an umpire that the pitch is not what the computer says it is, do you have to call it that way?
None of these were down the middle the zone strikes. This is not a little league game hit the zone the machine is functioning he is not hitting the zone.
These are minor leaguers also, they need the walks for the stat line more than anyone. Why do people want the ump screwing over minor leaguers out of money? It’s not even like the pitcher has an ERA he cares about.
What is the UmpScorecard rating going to be for Rob. O Umpire this game? Better or worse than Diaz's game earlier this week that had everyone in a tizzy?
For those saying the batters need to swing..these guys live and die by stats to get called up. Sure they could swing at bad pitches but purposely hitting ground outs and lowering your ave is probably not the best way to get promoted
If a player that earn point for hitting the ball (surely more than walking) will not swing, why should the umpire call against the rule if he is paid to do exactly the opposite?
"Trump goes over the wall" nice. In Trump voice "believe me, you could never build a wall tall enough to stop me, I can go over anything, I'm unstoppable."
Really like what I've seen of Takahido Matsuda. Fully expect him to be working at least some MLB spring training next year. This ABS is ridiculous by the way.
Home plate umpire was not in a mood for this argument so the manager who got ejected for arguing balls and strikes started going into the umps face throwing a baseball and bumping the ump like that’s is not ok
I would rather have the challenge system to at least be able to overturn the egregious missed calls at the plate but Managers/Coaches would need to be on their players not to constantly challenge calls that may have just missed. Also they need to fix the issue we saw a few days ago on how much time they have to challenge, need to have at least a few seconds and not the immediate garbage.
Most balls were too high. Some bad umpires make the calls based on where the ball is caught by the catcher. So those pitches that goes above the strike zone when passes the plate and then fall to the catcher mitt in a "better height" are called strike by some and fans, coaches, players and most announcers get used to that. ABS doesn't fall in that category. they have the bad habit to only call strike if the ball passes somewhere vertically over the home plate and at or below the midpoint between the batters' shoulders and the top of their uniform pants -- when the batter is in his stance and prepared to swing at a pitched ball -- and at or abover the point just below their kneecap.
If the one team truly thought the computer wouldn’t call strikes, why did they bother to swing at a single pitch in the bottom of the ninth? why not just take walk after walk until you win the game?
@@mtn335 Doubtful. We just watched a manager get ejected over CORRECT calls. You're saying that the other manager would be happier with INTENTIONALLY INCORRECT calls?
@@mtn335 If there is a system to game, bench staff will find a way to game it. Are *you* saying that rather than correct calls, you want to see incorrect calls in this scenario?
Looks like the future of the strike zone in baseball is not going well. Oh, good grief. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ Basically, the Manager of Charlotte Knights (AAA affiliate for the Chicago White Sox); Jason Jirschele, wasn't in the mood. And, after being warned by the home plate umpire to stop arguing about balls & strikes, he eventually gets tossed at 1:47; and decides to fully get his money’s worth at 1:52. Also, don’t forget about the Mario coin ding at 1:53 too. 😂🤣😂🤣 But, in a 20-4 blowout, is priceless. The manager then went on a complete foul-mouthed rant/tirade on the umpires before heading back to the home team locker room. However, on a serious note, the automated ball/strike zone system (ABS for short); is definitely not ready for use in the MLB system if there’s gonna be problems like this, or we’re gonna see more ejections like this. A ball/strike challenge system is definitely needed.
@chrismess135 it's pretty clear that you have no clue how the system works. I'm sure the developers didn't think they were going to have to calibrate for a pitch under 55 mph. (Major league 3 joke in there if you remember that movie) just a waste of processing power and time. It's amazing that some people are allowed to vote.
@@samcohoonwait why would the developers think they wouldn’t have to calibrate for slow pitches it’s not like we’ve never seen position players pitching before. It’s way more likely these are all correctly called balls that just look like strikes and have always been called strikes by umpires during a blowout
Hey Justin buddy. Maybe be a better manager and avoid 20-4 blowouts. You know this is not a good look right? Why are you losing so bad? Maybe it’s time to step down to little league. They don’t have ABS down there. And you’ll fit in with the psycho coaches.
I'm not really sure how this is a criticism of ABS. Make the rule so that umpires can pull out the ear piece in blowout situations and call balls and strikes themselves. The point of ABS is to reduce the impact of an umpire's accuracy on game outcomes. No one cares about blown calls that have a
Nope. It is unacceptable to demand perfection from umpires and replace them with computers, only to decide "welp this game sucks: we can bring in the human to start fucking it up now". Ride or die: Roboump for the whole game, or humans for the whole game. Pick ONE.
Yeah there is. The later it gets, the choices to eat afterwards for the players dwindle down dramatically. That was 3+ hour game. By time the players shower and head out, the only choice they are going to have that is open is Jussie Smollett's Subway Shop. Take it from someone who had a kid play professional baseball.
A manager shouldn't argue a strike call if they are using the automated ball/strike zone! The ump is only calling what the AI system told him to call! I was impressed with umpire Matsuda! He gave a warning..... the complaints continued so he ejected the manager! The right procedure, the right call! Matsuda didn't "loose his cool" as many MLB umps do and he waited until the CC stepped in! 👍👏👏 One thing I noted and have to point out is that #41 in blue pitching is obviously a position player and not a pitcher! He was throwing bloops instead of pitches! The bloops/pitches "probably"🙄 were out of the strike zone! This is difficult because I am a big detractor of MLB umpiring and all their "missed" calls! But I have to agree though, in situations like this where the score is 18-4, late innings, turn off the AI and let the umps call the "closer" pitches strikes to expedite matters! my opinion 🦂🥂
Terrible plan. It is unacceptable to demand perfection from umpires and replace them with computers, only to decide "welp this game sucks: we can bring in the human to start fucking it up now". Ride or die: Roboump for the whole game, or humans for the whole game. Pick ONE.
Why swing? It is the defense's job to throw strikes to force the batter to put the ball in play. If you can't throw strikes, just stand up there and walk me.
Get ready. If MLB goes to this system this is going to happen often. The computer (when its working correctly) is not going to give those borderline pitches. And then if the computer isnt tracking correctly we get this. "roboumps" are not going to make the players and managers happy. Thats why baseball is the game it is. Its the human factor. Then when you get in a situation like this where a game is out of hand and the defense cant stop the bleeding. A god umpire would give those borderline strikes and the game could move on, and nobody would say a word.
It's a good thing that RoboUmp is perfect. Especially since I've never seen it call a strike that shows up as a ball in the computer data, unlike a human.
There are two types of people who will bring up Angel Hernandez whenever possible and invent opportunities to do so: people who have never umpired and couldn't survive 3 innings of T-ball, and fools.
How is this a problem? Seems like once again people are more worrried about hurting someones "feelings" than they are about actually providing a fair and level playing field for everyone in the game. Let the robot do its job.
This is NOT baseball. If MLB adopts this thing, I will never wath another baseball game ever again.. Oh, The Gwinette team should be ashamed of themselves, They could see what was going on. The batters should NEVER have taken pitches so close. God Bless America, you're up 14 runs..GET THE BAT OFF YOURT SHOULDER
Oh, goodness. The roboump was getting calls wrong? Color me shocked. And let's just focus on how Gwinnett is a bunch of jackasses for not swinging the bat when they realized what was going on.
Yessssssssssssssss...yes, yes, yes! All of you alleged baseball enthusiasts who like to come on here and crush umpires for missing pitches and advocating for "bring on the RoboUmps!"...is this really what you want? Imagine the World Series game 7, extra innings and runners on first and second and the RoboUmp crashes. By rule, the plate umpire cannot call a strike unless he gets the notification in his ear to do so. So, because RoboUmp has crashed, even though the pitch is right down the middle...he cannot call that a strike. The hitters pick up on this, they don't swing the bats and the RoboUmp allows two walks and the World Series is now being decided by the fact that the system crashed and walks were awarded. Really? Really? This is what you want professional baseball to look like? Just the fact that stadium operations KNEW the system had crashed or was otherwise not working and they couldn't be bothered to get word to the umpire to either pause the game while they attempted to re-boot the system OR have the umpire go ahead and call balls and strikes manually is a huge, enormous failure but, nobody seems to be talking about that. It didn't really matter here. This was a 20-4 ballgame...a nothing burger. But, how do you not have protocols in place for when the system goes down? Either that or they do have protocols and they weren't being followed. Please...tell me more about how these RoboUmps are the future of baseball and what is truly best for the game...
Robot ump got thin skin and issued the ejection command poor HP ump got caught in the middle.
"When they go to ABS, no one will argue the strike zone and managers won't get thrown out", they said. BAH HAHAHAHA
Did "they" say that? Even if they did, that's on you for believing it.
@@zachansen8293 "They" were dozens of commenters on this very channel and, no, I didn't believe them for a millisecond. I even tried to explain that wasn't going to be the case, but gave up because I knew that time would prove me right.....and it did!
Exactly. Utter nonsense.
@@zachansen8293 I've seen this claim scores of times. Maybe follow along a bit?
Coaches loosing by 20 points are frequently tossed because they tend to argue with umpires instead of their players. It usually does not have to with the umpires having or not heart and soul. They usually pretend they never have. 😉
This is amazing coverage! But gosh, this team is always a nightmare. I would know, I've called them at least 4-5 times. Pretty sure you get a warning about them before the game, but I haven't worked this league in a minute. I can't imagine having to eject these guys during ABS. It's kind of embarassing, right? Everyone's gonna deal with the system, and it's certainly not the umpire's job to be a systems administrator for whatever weird technology they've got in a booth somewhere!
I have the plate in a PONY league Colt division game. The 10 run rule is in effect and the score is something like 18-2 for the visiting team in the top of the 5th with 2 outs. A 3-1 pitch comes floating by off the inside corner and barely disturbs the air in the strike zone as it goes by. I call it a strike and the batter looks at me. We knew each other on a first name basis and I say to him in a low voice "What's the score, Jake?". He simply says "Okay, blue." and hits a line drive to the SS on the next pitch for the third out. The home team went 3 up and 3 down in the bottom half, everybody can go home. Game management.
A number of those pitches looked like lobs (not like Dave LaRoche used to throw). It's not where it is when the catcher catches it. It's a question of if it passed through the strike zone on its way there. I think the "controversial" pitches missed high but because of the dropping motion, they looked good by the time they were in the catcher's glove.
I'm gonna share this video so that people who want this understand that this is not the solution,
This was painful to watch. I feel sorry for everyone out there.
You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like. Throw a strike!!!
@@teebob21 that's literally the opposite of the moral of this video.
@@Renegade605 but it's a moot point when the pitches look like the pitcher's not even trying
@@navymusician822 I don't follow.
challenge system is the best option , also it will provide just a little more fun drama into the game when the hitter or catcher get their challenge wrong
challenge systems when you can just know the correct call in real time is dumb. Just as bad in baseball as it is in tennis. challenges should be for things that need a person to look at in slow mo.
@@zachansen8293Shouldn’t need slo mo for a challenge, should be obviously wrong without slo mo but thats the challenge system we have.
Most of those were balls, but a few definitely looked like strikes, especially that last 3-0 pitch.
Nobody is saying the calls were missed. The point was, considering it was a 12+ run game, umps would normally call some of those strikes so everyone could go home
Also, the post game prinout didnt have pitch data for some pitches in the inning
MLB teams look at your stat line when they want to bring a player up, you think an umpire should be the one deciding if a pitch is a strike or a ball on how they feel? That’s ridiculous
@@adammiller5301No one wants to see a tight zone in a game where a team is up 16+ runs…
There 100% were missed calls, at least one for sure
@@bluejaysbaseballthe batter who is trying to get called up to the mlb does...
@adammiller5301 You can't believe that if a kid is being eyed for call up that a game like this will affect the thumbs up or thumbs down on that player. With the amount of stats that baseball clubs have on players a game like this, that is out of hand, won't change the decision. An slightly enlarged strike zone is mercy that is needed in a game like this.
You get what you ask for! Problem is 50% think the glass is full and 50% think empty. Great to see the "other" side!
Of course, we don't call strikes where the catcher receives the pitch (which may look like a strike) but whether or not the ball passes through the zone. That poor position player was throwing loopers, which may have missed the zone altogether, regardless of where the catcher received it. And, our 2-dimensional view may not be showing the truth.
Both sides would like for a lot of those pitches to be called strikes.
Any fully automated K zone is going to have zero nuance and feel for the game, which worsens the situation.
@@alexchavez3383doesnt work that way. call the correct calls
@@alexchavez3383 Turns out the "perfect game" advocates can't have their cake and eat it too. Remember everyone: THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT: a perfect rulebook zone all the time, even when the team is out of arms and puts Albert Pujols on the mound. Prepare for the WalkAThon.
@@alexchavez3383 surely the offensive team didn't want those called strikes, because it was up to them that. They could had all pitches called strike without tearing down the rule, opposite from the umpire situation.
Remember that the strike zone is also 17 inches deep, which means that the computer may have trouble with pitches that enter the back half of the zone.
It didn't "miss" a pitch. The pitcher was throwing eephus pitches over the strike zone and to the side of the plate. Sounds like the narrator would prefer to have non-strikes be called to help the flow of the game rather than accurately call a game. That's what has kept Angel Hernandez around for decades. He just had a stinker of a game yesterday. Calling all around the plate strikes. Sound like you would have preferred his bad calls to help the pitcher rather than accuracy.
Here's my preferred compromise for MLB, not the full ABS System but instead a ball/strike challenge system
That's Friday, Saturday and Sunday at the MiLB level now. I was at a Full ABS game on Tuesday, it was calling some rough strikes to my eye.
@@markheavey9689 Nope. Roboump is perfect. It never makes mistakes. That's why they're going to it.
Sadly, we’ve seen way too many times when the system takes a pitch or more off. ABS games.. that’s bad… at least with the Challenge.. it gets a call. I will say though, most didn’t look like strikes.. but probably shoudl have been given the scoreboard.
Oh great make a boring game even longer, to pause, challenge, review, make the call, then one of the managers will argue, ejection, then another few minutes for them to actually leavr
@@poisonpotato1 Like it is now with the strike zone…
Like it or not, fully automated balls and strikes are the future.
I could see MLB enacting a mercy rule for the 9th in blowout games to avoid this type of situation. But turn off ABS? No way.
I hope you are wrong about the automated system.
If MLB does elect to use it, I'm done with baseball. I mean it. I'll never watch another game again.
@@patersonplankrd That seems a bit extreme. You won't at least give it a try?
I wasn't happy when the NL brought on the DH, but I got over it. I found some things to like about the change even though I'm still not wild about terrible fielders being able to hide in the dugout.
I'd like to see a "mercy option" where once 6 full innings are played, the manager of a team down by 5+ runs can elect to concede the game to the opposing team at any point before the top or bottom of an inning. Make it a theatrical thing, where the manager comes out and throws a white towel over the home plate area.
Watching position players pitch in blowout games isn't much fun for fans and only serves to tire everyone out and to pad stats.
@@jayschafer1760 6 innings is too soon. Too many managers would throw in the towel at that point to save their bullpens, which is BS. If your starter is ineffective, one of the consequences *should* be a heavier workload for your bullpen, especially in a playoff series.
I've seen plenty of clubs rally back from 5 down in the 6th. With a 6th inning mercy rule, many of those rallies would never happen because the analytics departments would tell managers to just pull the plug instead.
@@nycres The thing is this: Because we can measure something down to the 1/10th millimeter, should we? Baseball has survived successfully for 150+ years without having to measure and I'd argue _because of_ it. The game is very much about unexpected variables and yes, personalities. The strike zone is a huge part of that.
Essentially full ABS completely robs the game of a lot of already dwindling drama and just makes it like everything else in modern life: Measured to an infinitesimal and enjoyable degree. So I'm with @patersonplankrd on this one.
Amazing that the offensive team didnt swing at any of these close pitches.....
Simple logic...the batters knew those were strikes and they knew how the ABS works and that the umpire cannot, by rule, call strikes unless he gets the notification. So when those meatballs came down the middle of the zone and weren't being called strikes, they knew nothing was going to be called a strike and they stopped swinging. Once the umpire went off script and started calling strikes again to keep the game moving, they started swinging again.
@@1969EType You missed the point......the game was 16-4 in the top of the 9th inning.....swing the damn bat
@@mptr1783 Oh I got your point. I just disagree with you. You’ll get over it…
Why would they swing? Just stand there and collect your walk.
I wonder, does the system have a calibration to even determine if it is registering warm up pitches?
Love how the batter even slowed down to get called out at first. Thats mercy.
My prediction is that Matsuda makes it to the big leagues before Jirschele does.
If Justin takes as long as it took his dad to get to the majors, Matsuda's kid may make it to the majors before Justin does.
Let’s be crystal clear, the computer did not have an issue. The ABS zone is decidedly smaller than a human zone. That sucks sometimes. Especially in a situation like this.. Definitely something to consider when deciding its implementation.
On another note, atta boy Taka!
I watched an ABS at Las Vegas a few days ago, and they displayed the pitch location (as seen by ABS) on the scoreboard, and there were _a lot_ of pitches that (if the system is right) the pitcher would get with a human ump. It was ridiculously tight. It was stuff that was barely a hair's breadth from the edges, according to the display. You could see the pitchers getting pissed, but they had nowhere to direct the frustration. I guess if the goal is to increase offense by shrinking the zone and making pitchers put it right there every time, then it will probably succeed. But RIP every pitcher's stats.
@XXelpollodiabloXX makes pitchers more accountable as umps give more zone then technically required. If they cone up in ABS they will know every pitch is correct and human umps will also give them the call in the bigs
@@arley2246 That you think ABS calls "every pitch correct" tells me all I need to know here.
@@XXelpollodiabloXX it’s an interesting way to watch a game though right? Pitchers get all upset but most teams don’t allow them to initiate a challenge because they want EVERY pitch 😂😂
@@XXelpollodiabloXX there are always outliers and can't be 100% yet but higher than human eye and this is old tech vs what is being prototyped
And this yet another example of why the question “What’s the worst that could happen?” is always a valid one.
That has to be painful to watch.
Looked like an amalgam of Lindsay and Tumpane on the thumbnail. 😂😂😂
fun fact: jose nauves (i spelled that wrong) the cc, was a mlb umpire
We've seen MLB umpires miss pitches all day, so the system has the opportunity to do better. And "maybe" they could do a quick diagnostic on the ABS between innings? Whatever the reason though, I'm sure that MLB pitchers can throw within the strike zone, although they might gripe that the strike zone is smaller than what a human umpire might call. Can't have it both ways though, they often gripe about not getting a strike called, I want to see one of these epic meltdown managers go scream at the ABS system and the ABS system says "YOU. ARE. OUT. OF. HERE."
Yeah, I would have expanded the zone just a bit when it gets lopsided.. the computer stays rigid.
Ok,my question is,wasn't it working or not working for both teams!
Did you see those pitches though? Maybe they just weren't strikes 🤣
I was just talking about this with some friends over dinner last night. A serous question, if you know as an umpire that the pitch is not what the computer says it is, do you have to call it that way?
They didn't seem to be strikes for the most part.
If you want a blowout to just get done, have an actual mercy rule. Don't have umpires just start making bad calls.
It’s not the umpire’s fault though.
@@nicholasvenetIt's about Lindsey talking about "game management balls and strikes". As in, calling strikes just to get the game over with.
None of these were down the middle the zone strikes. This is not a little league game hit the zone the machine is functioning he is not hitting the zone.
Well the zone is supposed to be more than just down the middle 🤦♂️
These are minor leaguers also, they need the walks for the stat line more than anyone. Why do people want the ump screwing over minor leaguers out of money? It’s not even like the pitcher has an ERA he cares about.
The Trump going over the wall comment was pure gold Lindsay !! Lol
What is the UmpScorecard rating going to be for Rob. O Umpire this game? Better or worse than Diaz's game earlier this week that had everyone in a tizzy?
are there any metrics available on the ABS, like the umpire score card showing balls and strike and what they should have been? Just curious
I reviewed the computer data, and wouldn't you know it: RoboUmp called yet another perfect game!
For those saying the batters need to swing..these guys live and die by stats to get called up. Sure they could swing at bad pitches but purposely hitting ground outs and lowering your ave is probably not the best way to get promoted
If a player that earn point for hitting the ball (surely more than walking) will not swing, why should the umpire call against the rule if he is paid to do exactly the opposite?
"Trump goes over the wall" nice.
In Trump voice "believe me, you could never build a wall tall enough to stop me, I can go over anything, I'm unstoppable."
Really like what I've seen of Takahido Matsuda. Fully expect him to be working at least some MLB spring training next year. This ABS is ridiculous by the way.
Home plate umpire was not in a mood for this argument so the manager who got ejected for arguing balls and strikes started going into the umps face throwing a baseball and bumping the ump like that’s is not ok
No umpire is ever in the mood to get chewed out and ridden about a call he didn't make.
Worse when it’s not his fault
Every Umpires made the wrong decision that’s why the manager was upset and hat toss after brown calls and ejections happens all the time
@@dillonwood3096 Dillon, you didn't bother watching the video, did you?
The resident Robo Ump Nerds must be aroused watching this game
All the Ro- bros need to watch this one
"Trump over the wall" that was precious
I would rather have the challenge system to at least be able to overturn the egregious missed calls at the plate but Managers/Coaches would need to be on their players not to constantly challenge calls that may have just missed. Also they need to fix the issue we saw a few days ago on how much time they have to challenge, need to have at least a few seconds and not the immediate garbage.
I wonder how much they have to spend on it to prevent hacking or manipulation?
The pitcher couldn't even throw a strike!
Most balls were too high. Some bad umpires make the calls based on where the ball is caught by the catcher. So those pitches that goes above the strike zone when passes the plate and then fall to the catcher mitt in a "better height" are called strike by some and fans, coaches, players and most announcers get used to that. ABS doesn't fall in that category. they have the bad habit to only call strike if the ball passes somewhere vertically over the home plate and at or below the midpoint between the batters' shoulders and the top of their uniform pants -- when the batter is in his stance and prepared to swing at a pitched ball -- and at or abover the point just below their kneecap.
Looked like good calls to me. All high.
If the one team truly thought the computer wouldn’t call strikes, why did they bother to swing at a single pitch in the bottom of the ninth? why not just take walk after walk until you win the game?
Because the pitcher in that half inning was an actual pitcher. They had a lead to preserve so they used someone from the pen.
@@alexandrelambert4923He's saying if the batters actually thought the system was broken, regardless of the quality of the pitcher
@@alexchavez3383 It wasn't broken. It was perfect like always. Just throw strikes, dudes.
I’m sure I’m wrong bc I haven’t read up on it but the ump can’t over ride the computer? I knew in triple A they can if they feel it’s wrong.
4:24 Bronx cheer
A good argument for the challenge system
The computer has these as balls. A successful challenge would overturn a strike call.
@@teebob21 I understand that but my point is that this game nobody would bother challenging
@@mtn335 Doubtful. We just watched a manager get ejected over CORRECT calls. You're saying that the other manager would be happier with INTENTIONALLY INCORRECT calls?
@@teebob21 are *you* saying that we’re going to see a lot of challenges in this scenario? That seems doubtful to me.
@@mtn335 If there is a system to game, bench staff will find a way to game it.
Are *you* saying that rather than correct calls, you want to see incorrect calls in this scenario?
Looks like the future of the strike zone in baseball is not going well. Oh, good grief. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Basically, the Manager of Charlotte Knights (AAA affiliate for the Chicago White Sox); Jason Jirschele, wasn't in the mood. And, after being warned by the home plate umpire to stop arguing about balls & strikes, he eventually gets tossed at 1:47; and decides to fully get his money’s worth at 1:52. Also, don’t forget about the Mario coin ding at 1:53 too. 😂🤣😂🤣
But, in a 20-4 blowout, is priceless.
The manager then went on a complete foul-mouthed rant/tirade on the umpires before heading back to the home team locker room.
However, on a serious note, the automated ball/strike zone system (ABS for short); is definitely not ready for use in the MLB system if there’s gonna be problems like this, or we’re gonna see more ejections like this. A ball/strike challenge system is definitely needed.
Could Hiro Matsuda just take over and call the game himself?
That is the concern I have, if it plate umpires are not consistently calling balls and strikes, how good are they going to be.
@@sokonek1 great point. I never thought of that.
Top notch ejection signal. You don’t have to go home, but you can’t stay here
Oka,y but come on, this dude could probably throw some strikes if he wasn't just lobbing the ball over.
So was the ABS busted here? Or just showing absolutely no mercy?
The computer gave zero shits that it was a 15 run blowout. Throw a damn strike.
@@teebob21 Well some of those pitches from our POV looked like strikes. You're right, the ABS did not give one single shit.
Didn't know Trump infiltrated into baseball now as well 😂😂😂
Were those actually missed? I could see many of them being high
That's what I thought🤷🏿♂️
Maybe we use full ABS, but we get 3 challenges for which we appeal to the human.
Not necessary. The computers are already perfect.
Did it miss? We’re those strikes?
Why would you say the computer might miss calls? It didn't.
There is no 'game management' in the rulebook, so I am fine without those calls.
They should make a rule that if a team bring in a position player to pitch (in a blowout scenario) the automotive strike zone is turned off.
But why? They should turn it off if it isn't working.
@CurtisDensmore1 it works, but it doesn't pick up 40 mph pitches. Did you not watch this video? Come on.
@@samcohoon "it works, but it doesn't pick up 40 mph pitches." Um ok so it doesn't work then
@chrismess135 it's pretty clear that you have no clue how the system works. I'm sure the developers didn't think they were going to have to calibrate for a pitch under 55 mph. (Major league 3 joke in there if you remember that movie) just a waste of processing power and time. It's amazing that some people are allowed to vote.
@@samcohoonwait why would the developers think they wouldn’t have to calibrate for slow pitches it’s not like we’ve never seen position players pitching before. It’s way more likely these are all correctly called balls that just look like strikes and have always been called strikes by umpires during a blowout
Hey Justin buddy. Maybe be a better manager and avoid 20-4 blowouts. You know this is not a good look right? Why are you losing so bad? Maybe it’s time to step down to little league. They don’t have ABS down there. And you’ll fit in with the psycho coaches.
It looked like the pitcher wasn't even TRYING to throw strikes, what the hell were those "rainbow pitches" all about?! That was absolutely pathetic
Why isn't the Gwinnett manager telling his guys just to take a hack if it's close? Just swing the damn bat.
Probably because minor league players care a little more about stats
How about throwing some damn strikes, first?
Batters need to start swinging and be men. The game is over. Just put the ball in play. Baseball is not meant for all this tech.
Thank you.
I'm not really sure how this is a criticism of ABS. Make the rule so that umpires can pull out the ear piece in blowout situations and call balls and strikes themselves. The point of ABS is to reduce the impact of an umpire's accuracy on game outcomes. No one cares about blown calls that have a
Nope. It is unacceptable to demand perfection from umpires and replace them with computers, only to decide "welp this game sucks: we can bring in the human to start fucking it up now".
Ride or die: Roboump for the whole game, or humans for the whole game. Pick ONE.
There’s no point in swinging the bat in situations like that.
Yeah there is. The later it gets, the choices to eat afterwards for the players dwindle down dramatically. That was 3+ hour game. By time the players shower and head out, the only choice they are going to have that is open is Jussie Smollett's Subway Shop. Take it from someone who had a kid play professional baseball.
What was the argument even about?
Balls and strikes.
A manager shouldn't argue a strike call if they are using the automated ball/strike zone! The ump is only calling what the AI system told him to call! I was impressed with umpire Matsuda! He gave a warning..... the complaints continued so he ejected the manager! The right procedure, the right call!
Matsuda didn't "loose his cool" as many MLB umps do and he waited until the CC stepped in! 👍👏👏
One thing I noted and have to point out is that #41 in blue pitching is obviously a position player and not a pitcher! He was throwing bloops instead of pitches! The bloops/pitches "probably"🙄 were out of the strike zone!
This is difficult because I am a big detractor of MLB umpiring and all their "missed" calls! But I have to agree though, in situations like this where the score is 18-4, late innings, turn off the AI and let the umps call the "closer" pitches strikes to expedite matters!
my opinion 🦂🥂
Terrible plan. It is unacceptable to demand perfection from umpires and replace them with computers, only to decide "welp this game sucks: we can bring in the human to start fucking it up now".
Ride or die: Roboump for the whole game, or humans for the whole game. Pick ONE.
Lmao dang I feel bad for 41
Robo Umps will fix everything!!!!!!
Apparently, RoboUmp will fix pitchers who suck. Throw strikes or quit whining!
we should NEVER replace humans with AI!
Normally I think teams can do whatever they want and the unwritten rules are kind of lame, but gwenette not swinging is obnoxious lmao.
Why swing? It is the defense's job to throw strikes to force the batter to put the ball in play. If you can't throw strikes, just stand up there and walk me.
what is wrong with the world.....
For starters, the youth are soft and full of weakness.
Harvey Hardass
Why are the players upset this is what they want! No sympathy at all
Get ready. If MLB goes to this system this is going to happen often. The computer (when its working correctly) is not going to give those borderline pitches. And then if the computer isnt tracking correctly we get this. "roboumps" are not going to make the players and managers happy. Thats why baseball is the game it is. Its the human factor. Then when you get in a situation like this where a game is out of hand and the defense cant stop the bleeding. A god umpire would give those borderline strikes and the game could move on, and nobody would say a word.
It's a good thing that RoboUmp is perfect. Especially since I've never seen it call a strike that shows up as a ball in the computer data, unlike a human.
This is bullshit. This is why ABS will NEVER work. Get rid of it!
Huh, it’s almost like computers are a good backup but aren’t ready for prime time.
"game management" aka "bad" calls going away are NOT a problem.
Why is this professional player so inaccurate lol
who says the robot ump missed the calls if we had seen a box then mabe we could say for sure but we wasnt shown a box
I'd rather have bad ABS than anything like Angel Hernandez any day/night.
There are two types of people who will bring up Angel Hernandez whenever possible and invent opportunities to do so: people who have never umpired and couldn't survive 3 innings of T-ball, and fools.
You get what you ask for.. reap what you sow! Lol 😂
This game is exactly why I think baseball should have a mercy rule. Let the losing team just decide they had enough and end it there.
The team could always forfeit.
“Game Management strike” means umps intentionally being dishonest.
Can you imagine assaulting a coworker like that and not hearing from HR about it?
Not a coworker. A coworker would be an assistant coach or a player on the same team. The ump is more like a city inspector
@@alexh8613 They work for the same people in the same place.
@@CurtisDensmore1 No they don't. One works for either Knights Baseball LLC or Chicago White Sox Ltd. While the other works for MiLB.
If you ‘assaulted’ a city inspector, you would also hear from HR. Original point remains very valid. But leagues/fans think this is entertainment.
The narrator makes a little jab at Trump. Straight line of BS!
How is this a problem? Seems like once again people are more worrried about hurting someones "feelings" than they are about actually providing a fair and level playing field for everyone in the game.
Let the robot do its job.
This is NOT baseball. If MLB adopts this thing, I will never wath another baseball game ever again..
Oh, The Gwinette team should be ashamed of themselves,
They could see what was going on. The batters should NEVER have taken pitches so close.
God Bless America, you're up 14 runs..GET THE BAT OFF YOURT SHOULDER
If you throw me a strike, I'll get the bat off my shoulder. I'm still waiting for a strike
Position player pitching should be forbidden.
"Fast, cheap or good, pick two"
"I pick ABS".
Oh, goodness. The roboump was getting calls wrong? Color me shocked.
And let's just focus on how Gwinnett is a bunch of jackasses for not swinging the bat when they realized what was going on.
Baseball has officially been ruined by the AI crap.
Those were all balls? Just throw strikes you're a professional pitcher throwing strikes shouldnt be that hard
He's a professional pitcher in that he pitched in a professional game, but he's actually a position player.
Wrongful ejection and second umpire didn’t need to join in and bump manager, unless the computer commanded the umpires to do those things.
Are you high?
Jesus, are you right about anything DJ? Arguing Balls and Strikes is an ejection, especially when the umpire isn’t even calling balls and strikes
@@rickhaavisto9023😂
What part of this is a baseball game, entertainment or a B movie?
Yessssssssssssssss...yes, yes, yes! All of you alleged baseball enthusiasts who like to come on here and crush umpires for missing pitches and advocating for "bring on the RoboUmps!"...is this really what you want? Imagine the World Series game 7, extra innings and runners on first and second and the RoboUmp crashes. By rule, the plate umpire cannot call a strike unless he gets the notification in his ear to do so. So, because RoboUmp has crashed, even though the pitch is right down the middle...he cannot call that a strike. The hitters pick up on this, they don't swing the bats and the RoboUmp allows two walks and the World Series is now being decided by the fact that the system crashed and walks were awarded. Really? Really? This is what you want professional baseball to look like? Just the fact that stadium operations KNEW the system had crashed or was otherwise not working and they couldn't be bothered to get word to the umpire to either pause the game while they attempted to re-boot the system OR have the umpire go ahead and call balls and strikes manually is a huge, enormous failure but, nobody seems to be talking about that. It didn't really matter here. This was a 20-4 ballgame...a nothing burger. But, how do you not have protocols in place for when the system goes down? Either that or they do have protocols and they weren't being followed. Please...tell me more about how these RoboUmps are the future of baseball and what is truly best for the game...
*chef's kiss* perfection. That's how I want Game 7 to end. 68 walks in a row.
Fire the computer! Must be a democrat. Remember, everyone is a winner!
ABS will fix everything 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂