Man Skip is a pioneer in BB. Skip loading, week on week off training "Skip Deloading" and now with his talk about the gas fromall the food "Fart Loading"😂 😂 Awesome show as always guys.
Ronnie Coleman was talking about how once you're a certain size and need to get bigger, the eating became harder and worse than the training. Much more uncomfortable as well.
lol no that’s totally normal. There are those that do well with cheats and those that do not. In my experience there are more clients that do better without any cheat meals. Generally those that love the cheat meals are also those that chronically under eat. We all know the true way to know if you’re a big eater or not. 6-10oz cooked lean meat with 2 cups of cooked rice some vegetables. Do this every 3 hours. If you can maintain that level of processing and digesting. Then you’re going to be one huge mofo. The funny thing is some folks will say “oh i would get fat”. To that I say “have you actually done this!” In most cases the answer is no. Because in actual calories if you eat that six times per day you will be close to 4000 calories. That combined with true training. Aka stimulating tissue to grow. Then you stretch the body every day keeping the hips completely open. You will not get fat. You will become extremely muscular. But as all coaches know. The limiting factor is always training. We can’t do that for them. Without the true training then you will never be a great BBer. You may manage to add muscle to your body but it will never look as good as it could.
Omg, I remember that about Kerry!! You know what though?? He took it like a man, total soldier! I, on the other hand, just about fainted and a little pee came out…. No more t-bar machines since, just with an actual bar in a corner instead lol
I learned the hard way that more gear doesn’t always mean 50% more muscle accrual lol. Especially with deca. Now that ive been off higher doses for some time I’m going the deca route again with moderate dosing to see if I can dial it in right this time.
Would you guys have clients do different things with exercise order based on when they work out? For example, i get up at 4am, eat and hydrate, start my workout around 5:45 and need to get out at 7:15. Should I be doing an extensive warmup and hitting my heavy compounds first, or maybe doing things like flies, pulldowns etc first before i get into presses and rows? This isn’t an issue for legs, i train those on the weekend to allow myself a lot of time
Ninja Creami is amazing! Have one almost everyday, but I keep it simple. Chocolate Fairlife, 1Tbsp cacao powder, 1Tbsp sugar free chocolate pudding mix. That’s it. Awesome macros and tastes like a frosty
Upping gh imo yields better results than upping gear. Granted igf production really only needs like 8-10 iu a day. Or when someone goes on a bottle of zeros time like chase iron did an 18iu bolts shot of zeros Tim and that would really mutate ppl.
You tend to see alot of guys on utube say they are only taking moderate doses and when pushed to give a dosage, they usually say only 1500 to 2000mg. I know guys take more, but 1500 to 2000mg isn't insignificant. If it's true, Yates said he took 1500mg a week at the peak of his cycle, thats 30yrs ago, and there isnt many guys even today that are bigger than yates. Times have changed, but the old anabolic reference guide that came out in the very early 1990s mentioned going past a gram was dangerous and over the top. What would that over the top dose be today??
a lot of this milligram talk lately has been absolutely skewed by the primo resurgence. before primos popularity, 1500mg would mean like 750 test 750 tren, now its like 750 test 750 primo which is different. 3 grams was like two 19nors stacked with test and anadrol, now its like mast primo test and var. I dont think the milligram discussion was ever really meaningful , its too simplistic , i dont think the body knows numbers
@useraiaj234mp true. Everyone is saying primobolan is safe but then inject 1000mg plus per week on top of everything else. Probably get more out of 300mg of deca than 1000mg of primobolan and just as safe. There's alot of trends going on that are pushed by certain influences that aren't always accurate as well.
Question: Skip does not like creatine,, as he said in one of the older episodes of BSG. Is this because he is on gear? For us natural guys, creatine is one of the few options.
Correct. I'm not "against it" as much as I feel it becomes pretty insignificant for someone who is a veteran of AAS and GH. If I were natural, I damn sure would be taking it. In fact, I recently started using it again just to see if I might notice something after not taking it for so many years. When I say "recent," I mean I started it quite literally just yesterday. lol
@@TEAMSKIP Thank you for answering, Skip! Creatine might have an effect on guys on gear, it does do something with water in the muscles. Scott also mentioned the positive effects of creatine on brain health, I have also heard a positive impact on gut health. I have given creatine to my mother for the past couple of months. I also give her Lion’s Mane. The latter is a mushroom that has documented effects on nerves in the brain, it supports memory, etc. Beta-alanine is also something I wanted to ask about. It does give me strength gains, and I think it could also help someone on gear?
@@therealreport2778 I’m aware of all of those effects; I just think they are minimal and insignificant. I don’t use beta-alanine because I have nerve damage from shingles. It hurts like hell. I haven’t used a preworkout in almost 20 years because I think they are useless. I don’t like injectable carnitine because I think the impact is negligible. It’s just different experiences based on my experience and those of my clients for 20+ years.
@@TEAMSKIP Thanks! But for me, as a natural, I get an effect from creatine and beta-alanine. If I was on gear, I would probably not take much of those things.
I’m on my first Tren endeavor 😂 just doing 100/mg a week of ACE and 10 days in and feel amazing! No rage just energy and raging erections. Let’s hope it continues, also I’m pretty lean and body literally morphing in 1 week and strength boost is pretty noticeable
I feel like most guys who take higher dosages usually try to do it to compensate for the lack of good genetics I've seen plenty who were on large cycles and you could not even hardly tell that they were a bodybuilder usually the guys with great genetics don't have to use too much
I don't think any of us would disagree with that. Hell, I've said the same thing before. That's why so many guys at state and regional shows are usually the ones who are taking the most gear.
Hey scott wasnt sure if i can ask a question here but i was wanting to know- ive tried to get lean twice now and the second time was easiet but i got stuck at 950 calories and wasnt dropping any more bodyfat. How often should someone take a crack at a 16 week cut to eventually reach sub 8% bodyfat for the first time? Also im unnatural if that makes a difference. Thanks guys.
Question for the next show: How would you program full body? I've been looking at JP, DC and such. Thinking of either hiting everything 1 set max effort, like 12+ exercises. Or should I go like 1 exercise per musclegroup and do 2-3 sets per workout? Right now I'm in the gym eod and doing a hard "modified fasting" (eod 500kcal intake, eod about 3000kcal intake. ) Full body on the high kcal days and mostly cause I've been having a rough time on my old splits, trying something "new." Thanks guys, love from Sweden.
For me, gear, like anything, has a point of diminishing returns. It gets to a point where it’s not good for you, there’s not enough, if any at that point, return on investment. I’d also argue that if you need multiple grams of gear, maybe bodybuilding isn’t for them?
Bingo. Thats the reason we put so much into talking about the importance of training. Unfortunately a lot of us have to figure this lesson out for themselves and for the guys who are not as experienced, they will argue with us in the TH-cam comments until we are all blue in the face lol
I would counter your statement with this: I don't think one person who has ever taken steroids has said they were going to take a ton of shit prior to doing their first cycle. :) It builds over time (in my case DECADES). Most people at least wonder or are curious that if "this" amount worked so well, "this" amount might work even better. At the end of the day, this is all a giant experiment.
Please don't do this cross over again. I like skip and Andrew because they're brutally honest about dosages. Dusty and Ronn gatekeep, understate, and lie about real bodybuilder dosages just like any other bodybuilder.
@Brofessor17 of course we do but that's what im saying. Both of them still try to push the only 1g total cycle to get to 300lbs because they're genetically elite and hyper responders. Like can we just stop bsing
I do think,he has a sustainable approach cuz the clients that I have win are genetically better and take less, it’s a lot of guys trying to make up for genetics. They are trying to get more of. Response 14:56. Also you can only take so much oil before you’re tired or pinning 3ccs multiple times a week
Great Podcast guys! Very Cool❤💯.
thanks Bob Thanks for watching!!
This was a great crossover, look forward to more
Skip always makes it fun while I’m listening at work
The collab I’ve been waiting for 💯
you guys broke down nationals?... without the guy that had a front row seat!!!!!
😂
We definitely want to hear your perspective when you're back on!
😂
Nasty work Andrew we still wanna hear your breakdown. That middleweight guy Taffik was bonkers i see him top 5 in the 212 in the near future.
@@UCSUMMA everytime i read your name i'm confused because it looks a bit like mine :D
The audacity... 😂
Fantastic to get a perspective on cycles from an old timer....thanks for that Great Uncle Skip ;)
Man Skip is a pioneer in BB. Skip loading, week on week off training "Skip Deloading" and now with his talk about the gas fromall the food "Fart Loading"😂 😂
Awesome show as always guys.
Sick intro, thanks guys!
thanks brother!! Glad you enjoyed it!!
Ronnie Coleman was talking about how once you're a certain size and need to get bigger, the eating became harder and worse than the training. Much more uncomfortable as well.
Great chemistry as always 💪
BSG is numero uno 💯🥇💪
I’m digging the new intro music!
Ron and Skip should have a show
Niceee! Love a good cross over 👌
Merry Christmas Guys, i hope you had a good one💪💪
Hope you had a great Christmas, as well!
Thanks! You too brother!
@@TEAMSKIP i did thanks Skip 🙂👍
@@ThinkBIGBodybuilding thanks Scott :-)👍
49:00 I thought i was the only one who dealt with clients like that. Tell them to eat a cheat meal and things go haywire..
lol no that’s totally normal. There are those that do well with cheats and those that do not. In my experience there are more clients that do better without any cheat meals. Generally those that love the cheat meals are also those that chronically under eat. We all know the true way to know if you’re a big eater or not. 6-10oz cooked lean meat with 2 cups of cooked rice some vegetables. Do this every 3 hours. If you can maintain that level of processing and digesting. Then you’re going to be one huge mofo. The funny thing is some folks will say “oh i would get fat”. To that I say “have you actually done this!” In most cases the answer is no. Because in actual calories if you eat that six times per day you will be close to 4000 calories. That combined with true training. Aka stimulating tissue to grow. Then you stretch the body every day keeping the hips completely open. You will not get fat. You will become extremely muscular. But as all coaches know. The limiting factor is always training. We can’t do that for them. Without the true training then you will never be a great BBer. You may manage to add muscle to your body but it will never look as good as it could.
The grip on every Hammer plate loaded shoulder press. Every one is fkd and hanging off one end.
Cut it off. 😂
Omg, I remember that about Kerry!! You know what though?? He took it like a man, total soldier! I, on the other hand, just about fainted and a little pee came out…. No more t-bar machines since, just with an actual bar in a corner instead lol
Oh man Veej. That was the absolute worst gym fail!!
The ring the bell was so calm. I liked it
Great intro, keep up the good work guys!
thank you! glad you enjoyed it! !
Once a month I see my neoprene knee sleeves hanging on the clothes line. My wife just washes them when she gets sick of smelling them.
Loving the crossoverssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ❤🔥❤🔥
Aye! 24 minutes in, my buddy dakota!
Hahaha my knee sleeves are toxic, I really need to burn them 😂
That draw bag is a an amazing tip. My shirt is soaked after training and I go in the sauna with my boxers so this is a great tip
My wife always give me energydrinks and protein as a gift. She knows me best
Cool intro edit!
Ron’s stories from all the different coaches he worked with are so good. If he brought out a book “Memoirs of Rep300” I’d buy it!
haha you have the title ready and everything
I learned the hard way that more gear doesn’t always mean 50% more muscle accrual lol. Especially with deca. Now that ive been off higher doses for some time I’m going the deca route again with moderate dosing to see if I can dial it in right this time.
I’m with scott - eat half the ice cream pint then pick at it for the rest of the week 😂😂 I do that with cookies too
LOL I do that with cookies too. I will mow down 70% of them. Then spread the rest out lol
@@ThinkBIGBodybuilding love it!
Here for the gear. And Skip ⏭️ and Ron and Scott ❤️❤️❤️
Oh yeah, Dusty needs to continue ringing the bell 😂😂😂
Now let’s get skip on IJBB
Would you guys have clients do different things with exercise order based on when they work out? For example, i get up at 4am, eat and hydrate, start my workout around 5:45 and need to get out at 7:15. Should I be doing an extensive warmup and hitting my heavy compounds first, or maybe doing things like flies, pulldowns etc first before i get into presses and rows?
This isn’t an issue for legs, i train those on the weekend to allow myself a lot of time
Scott Abel calls natural movement of the body “sweetness”
What would you rather have, a wider waist with perfect abs or a small waist with thin washed out abs?
Id rather you stop asking stupid questions!
@ your name is dittohead
You can always build the abs!
@@ThinkBIGBodybuilding what about hunter labrada or James hollingshead, I’m sure they tried to build their ab wall
Ninja Creami is amazing! Have one almost everyday, but I keep it simple. Chocolate Fairlife, 1Tbsp cacao powder, 1Tbsp sugar free chocolate pudding mix. That’s it. Awesome macros and tastes like a frosty
All over the place works for me!
How much mt2 does skip use ?
I’m French Polynesian.
@@TEAMSKIP DNA better than my daily mt2 dosage
Upping gh imo yields better results than upping gear. Granted igf production really only needs like 8-10 iu a day. Or when someone goes on a bottle of zeros time like chase iron did an 18iu bolts shot of zeros Tim and that would really mutate ppl.
You tend to see alot of guys on utube say they are only taking moderate doses and when pushed to give a dosage, they usually say only 1500 to 2000mg. I know guys take more, but 1500 to 2000mg isn't insignificant. If it's true, Yates said he took 1500mg a week at the peak of his cycle, thats 30yrs ago, and there isnt many guys even today that are bigger than yates.
Times have changed, but the old anabolic reference guide that came out in the very early 1990s mentioned going past a gram was dangerous and over the top. What would that over the top dose be today??
a lot of this milligram talk lately has been absolutely skewed by the primo resurgence. before primos popularity, 1500mg would mean like 750 test 750 tren, now its like 750 test 750 primo which is different. 3 grams was like two 19nors stacked with test and anadrol, now its like mast primo test and var. I dont think the milligram discussion was ever really meaningful , its too simplistic , i dont think the body knows numbers
@useraiaj234mp true. Everyone is saying primobolan is safe but then inject 1000mg plus per week on top of everything else.
Probably get more out of 300mg of deca than 1000mg of primobolan and just as safe.
There's alot of trends going on that are pushed by certain influences that aren't always accurate as well.
Great points, Dan Smith!
Question: Skip does not like creatine,, as he said in one of the older episodes of BSG. Is this because he is on gear? For us natural guys, creatine is one of the few options.
Correct. I'm not "against it" as much as I feel it becomes pretty insignificant for someone who is a veteran of AAS and GH. If I were natural, I damn sure would be taking it. In fact, I recently started using it again just to see if I might notice something after not taking it for so many years. When I say "recent," I mean I started it quite literally just yesterday. lol
@@TEAMSKIP Thank you for answering, Skip! Creatine might have an effect on guys on gear, it does do something with water in the muscles. Scott also mentioned the positive effects of creatine on brain health, I have also heard a positive impact on gut health.
I have given creatine to my mother for the past couple of months. I also give her Lion’s Mane. The latter is a mushroom that has documented effects on nerves in the brain, it supports memory, etc.
Beta-alanine is also something I wanted to ask about. It does give me strength gains, and I think it could also help someone on gear?
@@therealreport2778 I’m aware of all of those effects; I just think they are minimal and insignificant. I don’t use beta-alanine because I have nerve damage from shingles. It hurts like hell.
I haven’t used a preworkout in almost 20 years because I think they are useless. I don’t like injectable carnitine because I think the impact is negligible. It’s just different experiences based on my experience and those of my clients for 20+ years.
@@TEAMSKIP Thanks! But for me, as a natural, I get an effect from creatine and beta-alanine. If I was on gear, I would probably not take much of those things.
@@therealreport2778 Absolutely. If I were natural, I would be taking anything that I thought I could gain an advantage from.
4 gram cycles ahhh count me in , most I've been on is a little over 2 grams and could only tolerate that for 6 weeks 😂
I’m on my first Tren endeavor 😂 just doing 100/mg a week of ACE and 10 days in and feel amazing! No rage just energy and raging erections. Let’s hope it continues, also I’m pretty lean and body literally morphing in 1 week and strength boost is pretty noticeable
@@kane6529no test or anything?
crack on
I feel like most guys who take higher dosages usually try to do it to compensate for the lack of good genetics I've seen plenty who were on large cycles and you could not even hardly tell that they were a bodybuilder usually the guys with great genetics don't have to use too much
I don't think any of us would disagree with that. Hell, I've said the same thing before. That's why so many guys at state and regional shows are usually the ones who are taking the most gear.
Hey scott wasnt sure if i can ask a question here but i was wanting to know- ive tried to get lean twice now and the second time was easiet but i got stuck at 950 calories and wasnt dropping any more bodyfat. How often should someone take a crack at a 16 week cut to eventually reach sub 8% bodyfat for the first time? Also im unnatural if that makes a difference. Thanks guys.
We can talk about this next time we record. Lets to break down here
Reagan is from Omaha, he is a good person and a grinder. He’s been at hard at work since 2015
Question for the next show: How would you program full body? I've been looking at JP, DC and such. Thinking of either hiting everything 1 set max effort, like 12+ exercises. Or should I go like 1 exercise per musclegroup and do 2-3 sets per workout? Right now I'm in the gym eod and doing a hard "modified fasting" (eod 500kcal intake, eod about 3000kcal intake. ) Full body on the high kcal days and mostly cause I've been having a rough time on my old splits, trying something "new." Thanks guys, love from Sweden.
People must feel like death on those dosages
For me, gear, like anything, has a point of diminishing returns. It gets to a point where it’s not good for you, there’s not enough, if any at that point, return on investment. I’d also argue that if you need multiple grams of gear, maybe bodybuilding isn’t for them?
Bingo. Thats the reason we put so much into talking about the importance of training. Unfortunately a lot of us have to figure this lesson out for themselves and for the guys who are not as experienced, they will argue with us in the TH-cam comments until we are all blue in the face lol
Just ate a big portion of ground sirloin, hash browns, and 6 eggs.
3,4,5 grams the body can't even assimilate all that.
That's just insane!
Can’t assimilate it? Come on, now.
@TEAMSKIP truth
@@oldman4981 We will agree to disagree. Happy New Year!
I was thinking the same thing Skip haha. It might not be good for you. It might not be sustainable, but it does work lol
@@ThinkBIGBodybuilding your body would become extremely toxic.
Ayy
I will stay natty, but I will not use mega doses if I stray!
I would counter your statement with this: I don't think one person who has ever taken steroids has said they were going to take a ton of shit prior to doing their first cycle. :) It builds over time (in my case DECADES). Most people at least wonder or are curious that if "this" amount worked so well, "this" amount might work even better. At the end of the day, this is all a giant experiment.
@@TEAMSKIP Agree, Skip, good answer.
Please don't do this cross over again. I like skip and Andrew because they're brutally honest about dosages. Dusty and Ronn gatekeep, understate, and lie about real bodybuilder dosages just like any other bodybuilder.
Why do you think he’s lying? I didn’t get that impression.
Don't listen next time they do it. I always enjoy the crossovers
Gatekeeper what the fact pros take 3 grams and 18 iu . Everyone knows wat everyone is doing there aren’t really any secrets in the game.
@Brofessor17 of course we do but that's what im saying. Both of them still try to push the only 1g total cycle to get to 300lbs because they're genetically elite and hyper responders. Like can we just stop bsing
I do think,he has a sustainable approach cuz the clients that I have win are genetically better and take less, it’s a lot of guys trying to make up for genetics. They are trying to get more of. Response 14:56. Also you can only take so much oil before you’re tired or pinning 3ccs multiple times a week