After owning several of these I can tell you it is air air air! You have to crack all eight injectors (not three turns like you did) and close them one by one as they get fuel. They will not fire on either or anything if not enough injector are bled. I burnt up two starter over the years learning this. Those mechanical injectors can't have any air intrusion or they can't pop the injector open.
That's all I was thinking the entire video. I'ma farmer I could tell it was air. That's why it fired the very first crank then it got air. Also when they cracked the injectors the air bubbles never stopped. Probably one of those rubber lines
Yep just watched part 3 and that's why I work on my vehicles myself. Mechanics start with the expensive stuff first like changing the plugs instead of just bleeding the lines. Extra 400 hundred dollars instead of just a 65 dollar fix.
@@JoshJackson13 coming from a master tech and shop owner the lack of basic parts knowledge and diag understanding you just spoke is why people should take it to a pro. Especially since spark plugs would be easier to change than trying to get the air out of those mechanical injectors. But that would cost more than the plugssince diag time for those things is charged in real time. Probably end up charging 2.5 hours on the air in that and an engine from similar eras in gas would have billed an hour on plugs
@@jdubsteachings you also have to buy the plugs. Tow the vehicle to the shop. Pay double in parts because of mechanic discount. Wait till the shop has time to fix it. Don't forget that stuff too
I like watching this show and thunderhead289 because they remind me of my family I have in Iowa and ( because it's like having friends) Thank you!!! at least I'm not alone on that thought!!
I have no friends or the use of my legs from my waist down so I can't even go find any friends SMH I miss living in Iowa Boone Iowa was the place for me I had a few friends you see now I'm stuck in Virginia for people use and steal from me I wish I was back in the Iowa with junkyard Diggs and thunderhead289 family. Love u guys y'all are awesome and doing a great job....
@@joshuabreeden1211 Yeah my nephew is paraplegic from cancer surjury so I am always trying to keep him in good spirits. So maybe I should move to Iowa eh?
I’ve been watching to much whistlindiesel when he picked up the chunk of metal to knock over the weeds I thought he was going to send it through the window
One thing to always... ALWAYS remember when killing wasps with your hat... Always do a wasp check on the interior of your hat before placing back on your head. I know this from experience.
PS..A very old trick to get a diesel running in this sitution is feed Hot Air into the intake. Take the plastic aircleaner off, get a Mapp gun, light it and wave it in front of the intake while it's cranked. Saves wrecking bearings etc because of preignition. I've even resorted to warming the whole manifold to get a dead diesel running.
Check and make sure you have the correct crankshaft position sensor. With a new one on the seat I'm suspicious. There were 2 different color sensors. A grey and a black. Trust me if you get the wrong one it will not run. They look identical to the eye other than color. Oh while you're in there swap the cam sensor as well, they're notorious for going bad. Same deal, 3 different colors...grey, black , blue.I worked on a farm for 15+ years we had a ton of the old 7.3s. Heavy equipment mechanic, light duty, farm equipment and just about everything else. Ahhhhhh, I didnt see this was an idi....swap those leaky return lines....and it's time for me to get new glasses....I'm squinting too much on my telephone....
@@Fordman7575 Ah I didn't see it was an idi. Wasnt sure on the year. The fleet trucks we ran had a different intake than the normal 7.3 power strokes. They looked similar to the one on the idi version .....most of the time we threw them away and adapted a case ih filter and housing because of the dirt we dealt with.
I love your drive and ambition! Use a small torch and just feed it into the intake like either. Works really well. Propane, also without the flame works well. Either tends to wipe the pistons and cylinder dry of lubricant. Good Luck!
No smoke without the ether... i think its a fuel issue, low fuel pressure in the lines... a diesel should start if u have enough speed from the starter, so i dont think glow plugs are an issue in 90+ degree weather... (God bless that starter btw! 😂)
The tech on the hotwiring was actually super helpful! I swear that it was not for malicious intent. He has the title, we just wanted him to get home. My uncle has a 1994 F150, and he accidentally left the key on the plane (his family was with ours on vacation) so we had to hotwire it temporarily. It worked, and he got another key so he is good to go! Thank you!
Have to loosen the fuel injector lines on top of the injectors and bleed the air out of the 7.3 IDI engines. It is not a self priming system like the powerstroke...oh and when you are bleeding the air out of the fuel system it helps to have the throttle at "Full Throttle" you can easily flip it down when it starts. The glow plugs will not keep it from starting in the middle of summer...Especially with all that Starting fluid you flooded it with.
@junkyard digs I just never saw a good stream/spray of fuel from the cracked open injector lines. I don’t have any experience with a ford diesel but lots of 12valve Cummins experience. I’m still trying to understand why either wouldn’t even run it after that first kick. My only thought is an extreme loss of compression due to stuck rings. But again I’m no idi expert. I know when I’ve started a Cummins that had ran out of fuel, we had to prime to the injector pump. And the break open all the injector lines until there was a LOT of steady fuel coming from the lines. Tighten them up and it should fire. Without either. Also if that fitting on top of the pump is where the return lines attach. That would be an inlet not an outlet. So when you got that tiny squirt of fuel out of it, it wasn’t helping anything. You should prime until there is steady flow from the line coming FROM the injectors up TO that fitting.
@@CowboyDave07 not saying you'r right or wrong. They like to change alot of things around. So that could be true. Just trying to help an old, tired, and probably melted at this point starter out. 😆
Theres a good bit of blow by coming out the breather, telling me there's a strong loss of compression. Using a little atf right down the intake helps build compression in diesels.
i agree...better compression with ATF would help. Also...I would never attempt to start a diesel in the field without a combination generator -d.c. charger on the battery to provided absolute fastest cranking power. You're spinning you wheels trying to start a diesel at low engine rpms. i'd spray in kerosene...a lighter oil to start it.
Throttle, throttle and more throttle! When an idi is cold or been sitting long you have to give it half to full throttle to get it cranked. Also a rag soaked in gasoline laid in the intake is what I have had the best luck with, just hold onto it and when the engine starts to fire pull the rag away and let her rip. I have also learned that just because a glow plug will light a test lamp does not mean it is actually working so probably gonna need glow plugs. I bought a 6.9 that had been sitting for 20 years(the one in my bronco) and it fired up first try then I bought another one that had sat only 5 years and didnt make as much progress as you did. Finally got it started by dragging it down the road in 3rd gear at about 45mph for about 3 miles, its started and run fine since. I will buy that 7.3 and trans for a reasonable price if I can find a way to get it to Georgia.
Never use starting fluid on deisels with glow plugs, the knock will blow through the top of the piston. Let the engine cool for 5 minutes, UNPLUG the glow plug relay, Then its safe to crank while brief sprays of Ether. Notice when Mr. DEISEL showed up, he unplugged the glow plug relay and no more knock while cranking.
for whatever you arent getting constant fuel delivery and are loosing prime. you either have air in it, stopped up injectors, or a weak injection pump. when you all cracked the injector lines you should have had fuel spit everywhere. im guessing crank one was the fuel stuck in the injection lines prior and was under pressure. a truck above 45 50 degrees will start without glow plugs. i dont think the injectors are gone since it fired once. i think your lift pump is not pumping enough fuel personally. those are decently expensive i think you could rebuild it cheaper.
IDI engines are very different from Cummins/other contemporary engines. I don't know about the lift pump, but powerstroke injectors cost $400 a piece on the cheap end, whereas IDI injectors cost $40 a piece.
@AII Iives Matter Unity not Racism and Divisiongreat point to make , especially because if the glow plugs work one time with all that ether in there , you might as well leave it there
Its hilarious watching you struggle with this. I have a 93 sitting in the driveway, and I know all these tricks from owning the girl. The 7.3 will eat anything you throw at it.
When you bleed the injectors do one at a time while cranking. tighten it while still cranking. do each one like that, if every else is ok you wont make it through all of them before it starts.
Dave Simcox I disagree. You have to bleed the air from each individual injector for that injector to fire correctly. The engine may fire but will most likely have a miss
Dave is right. When you tighten the line up when your not cracking it will trap a air pocket in the line. And it will act like a spring and never let the injector crack open once it starts and get up in rpm it will clear out the other injectors.
Since int he beginning it fired but never since, there is air getting in the injection lines. I agree with Dave that need to bleed each one, and close it while cranking. not getting the pressure to crack the injectors
Yeah, that's what I thought. That dribble out of the cracked injectors seemed like way too little fuel. Perhaps it started once at the beginning from left over pressure from 15 years back.
this is the first video of yours that i have stumbled across, the fact that its about a 90's idi tow truck wins my sub. I own a small towing service and i have several of these rigs....doing an engine swap in one at the moment...love the IDI. Totally have to watch how this series of vids progresses. very entertaining. A little painful to watch, but i have made all these very same moves myself......good times..
Kevin even though it is 2 years later that I get to watch this video , as an owner of several diesels including Found On Road Dead brand I can tell you that changing a glow plug is quicker than the 2 or 3 days you have spent. Last set I changed on our '79 cost $14.50 each am not complaining about and you really only need 1 or 2 out of the 8 since one it fires it does not care how many glows there are. But it is fun watching you struggle just like several of the guys in the shop did trying to figure it out. Here is a diesel tip - once you get it going dump a full quart of trans oil in a full tank of fuel and then once every 3 or 4 tanks after that. Trans fluid as you know is acid based and by doing that especially on the older diesels will clean and keep clean the injector and the motor will not even notice it. Though you might smoke the first 1 or 2 times while the shit is cleaned out. I can for a fact tell you this works on the Oldsmobile diesels for sure (I had one of those POS's that could not get out of its own way)
@@rob69270 Nope, HF was the bad guy in the '55 :Chevy that dun run off the road in the race. He'd picked up the female lead after she split with male lead. I hate forgetfulness! Always thought she was miscast, not attractive 'nuff.
Dude, you are not getting any fuel through those injectors. Take them out and see if you can get flow through them. They may be totally sludged up. Don't assume that because the filter housing is clean now that the injectors are clean. Somebody probably cleaned the housing before trying to get it running and gave up there. Also your high pressure pump may be bad, or something wrong with the governor. It may not be making enough pressure to open the injectors. You can try swapping in a new pump, but first try full throttle while cranking.
The starting directions for IDIs say to start them at half throttle until you get below freezing anyway. They should be capable of starting without throttle anyway but I owned one for long enough it’s a hard habit to break.
@@roundsm18 well I don't think when the engineers wrote the manual they we accounting for the truck sitting for several years with old diesel fuel sitting in the injectors
that's what I feel, plus he's got at least one cylinder with low compression. that makes starting it even harder. If the rings are so bad to the point where it's not making enough compression to even run normally...that may be why they left it.
Konner Kramer well your initial comment made reference to a high pressure pump (they have an injection pump, but it’s a rotary pump). The injectors themselves don’t have to open and close, fuel just gets shot through them and atomized into the precombustion chamber. While it would make sense to pull them it’s not like they have complex parts to get stuck. The IDI was a simple engine. Lower injection pressure and it will still start with all 8 glow plugs bad.
Try remove the glow plugs and fill in some marvel mystery oil to gain up some compression. Diesel motor are easy to start when you feed even petrol to the intake! if it doesnt start means the compression are bad or maybe some leaky valve or stucked valves.
I’d check out the injectors and crossover tubes as well as making sure the fuel line nuts are torqued enough. Assuming that you bled the fuel separator and added fresh diesel, take a look at your intake/exhaust valves to make sure the lash is not out of spec. Good luck!
1st timer here. Let your girl know she had an awesome concert T on. Crown the Empire is a great band. Noticed towards the end the Turbo impeller was not spinning. Shouldn't it just a little. Seems like it's clogged. There should be tons of Diesel coming out those fule lines when you crack them.
I get old diesels, that've been left standing, going by using a hot air gun (or even a blow torch if your careful) up their air intake. Diesels use compression ignition, so when they've been left standing, the piston rings get stuck and they have low compression. Therefore the air in the cylinders doesn't get hot enough to burn the fuel. The problem is a lack of ignition not a lack of fuel, so starter fluid is not going to help. Also using starter fluid with diesels can cause detonation (knocking) that cracks piston rings. This then makes them hard to start so people use more starter fluid. I've heard guys talk about diesel engines getting "addicted" to starter fluid.
You've no fuel there. Those injectors should be pouring fuel everywhere when you crack them off. A little dribble means nothing. You never checked the stop solenoid did you?????
Motor is bad. It wont even run on starting fluid. Only 3 things a Diesel needs to run is air, fuel and compression. It's got fuel and air but no compression. (Fuel is the starting fluid).
I think it is pride that is making him keep going. He did say he was not worries about getting it started. But like all good men, Never give up because a machune can not beat me!
Gasoline is a good starting fluid for diesels. Arag soaked in gasoline over the intake gets the vapor down inside the cylinders to get it to start. Just down lose the rag into the turbo. Good Luck.
Agreed! Also, I knew a guy who had an F-350 tow truck with a cab from a 150. Insurance is cheaper for 150. Not quite legal, that mod. Maybe it was actually an F-150 with an upgraded chassis? Nudge nudge wink wink... say no more!
Watching them battle the wasps like, dude, you have cans of ether. That stuff will knock them out of the sky. Also can use it to fume the bodywork and get the nests.
At long last you started talking about bleeding the fuel system. When you opened the fuel filter, you introduced air into the system. It might have started if you hadn’t done that. Now you have to start your bleed at the outlet of the fuel filter which is filled by the lift pump. You need to look at the manual for your engine and find out which things you need to crack on the high pressure pump to bleed it. Only then do you start cracking the injectors themselves. I don’t think it has anything to do with the glow plugs. In that weather it should have started. The Perkins 4-108m diesel in my boat had none and it started readily from March to November on the Chesapeake. It was a real dog to bleed. Electronic, common-rail diesels are easier in this respect.
All he needed was more ether. She would have went. Every one of these trucks I've had mostly 6.9 and 7.3 fords blew glow plugs like crazy. And if it didnt have the glow plugs good luck on the first start of the morning without starting fluid. After that it starts without them first crank
You should have brought a propane torch and throw the flame right in the intake. Done it many times with chevy 6,2 with blown glow plugs. Works every time
When working in the broiling sun, just maybe a t-shirt and hat in a color other than black? Maybe a pair of work gloves to pick up or push on sizzling metal? Just a possibility.
I’ve heard that if you put ATF in the intake it helps the cylinders to gather enough compression to start in this situation. Yes I know you add it to gas applications for another reason without spark plugs in but with a diesel it works.
Hey man awesome video, even though you didn’t get it running you guys did everything right minus the either lol. Anyway it’s not starting due to an air intrusion. Your return lines are beyond shot and are leaking air into them and these engines need all 8 to get going. and any air even in one will give you trouble. Well your glow plugs are probably shot, but if it’s above 65° it should start without them. If you can get your hands on a return line kit or even piece one together yourself along with checking out the fuel lines and making sure they are 100% OK you should get it fired. These engines are awesome but they have lots of kryptonite.
Air intrusion is only a problem when it sits. A electric pump with constant pressure on the pump wouldn’t let the return lines syphon fuel from the pump.
I had an 89 6.9 IDI, good compression, almost new injector pump. I could get that pig going down to 0 without glow plugs and a can of ether. It kinda looked like this video, but with a start at the end.
In the summer, glow plugs aren't going to keep it from starting. You should have white smoke coming from the exhaust while cranking if it is getting fuel just not lighting the fuel. If there is no white smoke, then something is preventing fuel from being injected. Check for fuel by cracking an injector line and work back from there.
its the meting rod/valve in the pump are stuck, they always get stuck when sitting for some years, take the pump top off and work is lose, googel metering valve on stanadyne db2
Years ago, I had a 1989 f150 that had been running fine, but suddenly I could not get to start...for days. For whatever reason, I was convinced it was a fuel delivery issue. Messed with it and messed with but I was stumped. Finally, I randomly happened to discover a broken wire going to the neutral safety switch on the transmission. As I looked at it I remember thinking..”surely, that can’t be the problem”. Spliced it together, turned the key and it started instantly. I was so happy but felt kinda foolish having spent so long working the poor starter. This episode reminded me of that experience. .
I did notice that the bumper was not straight maybe that is why it won’t start it looks like it’s frowning. If you get it to smile it make be happy to start. Lol
The old red truck did really well. But, the black wrecker has been tough. Part 3 should had been easier. New glow plugs . About the only thing I would try. Thank you Kevin, Mook and Jacob. 💯👍👊
Man that thing was so close to starting. I would have hooked up my daily driver idling with jumper cables so you didn't have to keep running out of battery. And it was so close to starting during some of those light ether mists it sure is tempting to think that with more ether it would have started.
Love your channel and vids! As a 94 IDI owner this video made me cringe! Be kind to your starter, they're expensive and not fun to replace. And put down the ETHER! The recipe for an IDI is quite simple, mostly what you need is compression and fuel. This motor uses a mechanical injection pump. Since you are not getting smoke (unburnt diesel) while cranking, I suspect your IP may not be producing enough pressure to POP the injectors. I'd put in a new fuel filter, new return lines, pop test the injectors and if all tests out try a known good but used IP. Glow plugs "clicking" is them OHMing out. Make sure you only use Motocraft glow plugs. They should be on for 12ish seconds and then all 8 should click as the relay shuts them off to prevent damage and swollen tips. Blow by in these motors is normal. Compression testing while the GP's are out is probably a good idea. Good luck! Looking forward to you solving this in Part 3.
I was going to say that the fuel flow at the injectors looked very low when they were bleeding them. When we have bled injector lines, there is fuel EVERYWHERE.
Your comment on Cole's channel about diesels I saw last night makes more sense now. It is really cool seeing you on his channel - for some reason most of the channels I watch are in Iowa and Indiana. Love the vids!
After owning several of these I can tell you it is air air air! You have to crack all eight injectors (not three turns like you did) and close them one by one as they get fuel. They will not fire on either or anything if not enough injector are bled. I burnt up two starter over the years learning this. Those mechanical injectors can't have any air intrusion or they can't pop the injector open.
By the way, I know it's been 2 years but I watched the next episode and you were 100% correct!
That's all I was thinking the entire video. I'ma farmer I could tell it was air. That's why it fired the very first crank then it got air. Also when they cracked the injectors the air bubbles never stopped. Probably one of those rubber lines
Yep just watched part 3 and that's why I work on my vehicles myself. Mechanics start with the expensive stuff first like changing the plugs instead of just bleeding the lines. Extra 400 hundred dollars instead of just a 65 dollar fix.
@@JoshJackson13 coming from a master tech and shop owner the lack of basic parts knowledge and diag understanding you just spoke is why people should take it to a pro. Especially since spark plugs would be easier to change than trying to get the air out of those mechanical injectors. But that would cost more than the plugssince diag time for those things is charged in real time. Probably end up charging 2.5 hours on the air in that and an engine from similar eras in gas would have billed an hour on plugs
@@jdubsteachings you also have to buy the plugs. Tow the vehicle to the shop. Pay double in parts because of mechanic discount. Wait till the shop has time to fix it. Don't forget that stuff too
I think the starter is officially hotter than the glow plugs.
😂😂
lol for real
Most frustrating part would be that it actually fired up the first 30 seconds of trying and then never cranked again lol
Spoiler
But I watched anyways cause boredom
Hi
The rubber fuel hose to the regulator, it's loose and will pull air into the system. Put a better clamp on it and maybe cut it back a little first.
Finally the comment I've been looking for. Why you don't have more likes idk.
No I know what the problem is, it's a FORD LOL
@@RukarioEnterprisesLLC except you can't use that excuse because it's not a Ford engine
I figured out why I like watching your shows. It is almost like having friends.
I like watching this show and thunderhead289 because they remind me of my family I have in Iowa and ( because it's like having friends) Thank you!!! at least I'm not alone on that thought!!
I can relate to you man 😥
I have no friends
I have no friends or the use of my legs from my waist down so I can't even go find any friends SMH I miss living in Iowa Boone Iowa was the place for me I had a few friends you see now I'm stuck in Virginia for people use and steal from me I wish I was back in the Iowa with junkyard Diggs and thunderhead289 family. Love u guys y'all are awesome and doing a great job....
@@joshuabreeden1211 Yeah my nephew is paraplegic from cancer surjury so I am always trying to keep him in good spirits.
So maybe I should move to Iowa eh?
Omg the suspense of hearing this thing turn over for an hour was insane.
I’ve been watching to much whistlindiesel when he picked up the chunk of metal to knock over the weeds I thought he was going to send it through the window
I thought the exact same thing lol.
Me to
Same here
Same
Same lol
One thing to always... ALWAYS remember when killing wasps with your hat... Always do a wasp check on the interior of your hat before placing back on your head. I know this from experience.
and when you miss, they come back to Dare ya to do it again!
Now my scalp fucking itches!
LOL XD
Starting fluid kills wasps better than wasp spray (or a hat)😉
@@1975napier
Combine that with a lighter and you can't miss
PS..A very old trick to get a diesel running in this sitution is feed Hot Air into the intake. Take the plastic aircleaner off, get a Mapp gun, light it and wave it in front of the intake while it's cranked. Saves wrecking bearings etc because of preignition. I've even resorted to warming the whole manifold to get a dead diesel running.
Check and make sure you have the correct crankshaft position sensor. With a new one on the seat I'm suspicious. There were 2 different color sensors. A grey and a black. Trust me if you get the wrong one it will not run. They look identical to the eye other than color. Oh while you're in there swap the cam sensor as well, they're notorious for going bad. Same deal, 3 different colors...grey, black , blue.I worked on a farm for 15+ years we had a ton of the old 7.3s. Heavy equipment mechanic, light duty, farm equipment and just about everything else.
Ahhhhhh, I didnt see this was an idi....swap those leaky return lines....and it's time for me to get new glasses....I'm squinting too much on my telephone....
Everyone like this so Kevin sees it :)
@@themechanic1779 since when do IDI's have either a crank or cam sensor?
7.3 idi is a mechanical injection engine why would it need a cps
@@Fordman7575
Ah I didn't see it was an idi. Wasnt sure on the year. The fleet trucks we ran had a different intake than the normal 7.3 power strokes. They looked similar to the one on the idi version .....most of the time we threw them away and adapted a case ih filter and housing because of the dirt we dealt with.
Swap the return lines would be where I would start then. That was an idi issue.
Well I'll be dipped, Vice Grip Garage never mentioned their hats were also fly swatters! 😂
A guy should market them as multifunctional .
That's why it's a Capilator, not just a Hat.
Yep, that's factory
And the shirts are great for covering the asscrackinator while a guy leans over an engine!
darek: "hey, there using my merch as fly swatters...well thats just fine.."
I love your drive and ambition! Use a small torch and just feed it into the intake like either. Works really well. Propane, also without the flame works well. Either tends to wipe the pistons and cylinder dry of lubricant. Good Luck!
Who needs glow plugs? Shouldn’t there be enough heat coming off of that starter?
No smoke without the ether... i think its a fuel issue, low fuel pressure in the lines... a diesel should start if u have enough speed from the starter, so i dont think glow plugs are an issue in 90+ degree weather... (God bless that starter btw! 😂)
The tech on the hotwiring was actually super helpful! I swear that it was not for malicious intent. He has the title, we just wanted him to get home. My uncle has a 1994 F150, and he accidentally left the key on the plane (his family was with ours on vacation) so we had to hotwire it temporarily. It worked, and he got another key so he is good to go! Thank you!
Have to loosen the fuel injector lines on top of the injectors and bleed the air out of the 7.3 IDI engines. It is not a self priming system like the powerstroke...oh and when you are bleeding the air out of the fuel system it helps to have the throttle at "Full Throttle" you can easily flip it down when it starts. The glow plugs will not keep it from starting in the middle of summer...Especially with all that Starting fluid you flooded it with.
@junkyarddigs ^^^^THIS
@@itsjustmoney9039 we addressed all of that in the video
Not all powerstrokes are self priming, OBS had a mechanical fuel pump, SD had the electric fuel pump.
@junkyard digs I just never saw a good stream/spray of fuel from the cracked open injector lines. I don’t have any experience with a ford diesel but lots of 12valve Cummins experience. I’m still trying to understand why either wouldn’t even run it after that first kick. My only thought is an extreme loss of compression due to stuck rings. But again I’m no idi expert.
I know when I’ve started a Cummins that had ran out of fuel, we had to prime to the injector pump. And the break open all the injector lines until there was a LOT of steady fuel coming from the lines. Tighten them up and it should fire. Without either.
Also if that fitting on top of the pump is where the return lines attach. That would be an inlet not an outlet. So when you got that tiny squirt of fuel out of it, it wasn’t helping anything. You should prime until there is steady flow from the line coming FROM the injectors up TO that fitting.
@@CowboyDave07 not saying you'r right or wrong. They like to change alot of things around. So that could be true. Just trying to help an old, tired, and probably melted at this point starter out. 😆
I can't believed I watched this for AN HOUR! on the edge of my seat.
hey Hollywood, ya listening?
That poor starter Christ have Mercy on it
You could cook an egg on it
It's a Ford. It can take anything
@@Quint1836 that's what she said
@@llllllllllllllll3139 I hope so
Theres a good bit of blow by coming out the breather, telling me there's a strong loss of compression. Using a little atf right down the intake helps build compression in diesels.
What is ATF
@@yepme6484 automatic trannsmission fluid
@@yepme6484 all the fuel
starlight workshop oz 😂😂
i agree...better compression with ATF would help. Also...I would never attempt to start a diesel in the field without a combination generator -d.c. charger on the battery to provided absolute fastest cranking power. You're spinning you wheels trying to start a diesel at low engine rpms. i'd spray in kerosene...a lighter oil to start it.
Throttle, throttle and more throttle! When an idi is cold or been sitting long you have to give it half to full throttle to get it cranked. Also a rag soaked in gasoline laid in the intake is what I have had the best luck with, just hold onto it and when the engine starts to fire pull the rag away and let her rip. I have also learned that just because a glow plug will light a test lamp does not mean it is actually working so probably gonna need glow plugs. I bought a 6.9 that had been sitting for 20 years(the one in my bronco) and it fired up first try then I bought another one that had sat only 5 years and didnt make as much progress as you did. Finally got it started by dragging it down the road in 3rd gear at about 45mph for about 3 miles, its started and run fine since. I will buy that 7.3 and trans for a reasonable price if I can find a way to get it to Georgia.
Diesel Bronco peg pushed his in -30° temps for about 5 miles and it started
he's from Iowa
@@itsjustmoney9039 kind of hard to do that to a automatic ?????
@@okeanakidd5118 weld the torque converter together lol
okeana kidd well no shit I was merely stating a fact. Dude said he pushed his. I said yeah we all know someone who did the same.....
Never use starting fluid on deisels with glow plugs, the knock will blow through the top of the piston. Let the engine cool for 5 minutes, UNPLUG the glow plug relay, Then its safe to crank while brief sprays of Ether. Notice when Mr. DEISEL showed up, he unplugged the glow plug relay and no more knock while cranking.
Nonsense
@@elonmust7470 Can you elaborate for me? I'm a gas engine guy
Diesel engines run off air so when you spray either into a diesel straight to glow plugs you get a major explosion instead of just regular combustion
for whatever you arent getting constant fuel delivery and are loosing prime. you either have air in it, stopped up injectors, or a weak injection pump. when you all cracked the injector lines you should have had fuel spit everywhere. im guessing crank one was the fuel stuck in the injection lines prior and was under pressure. a truck above 45 50 degrees will start without glow plugs. i dont think the injectors are gone since it fired once. i think your lift pump is not pumping enough fuel personally. those are decently expensive i think you could rebuild it cheaper.
Lift pumps are cheap. Less than $60
@@davidroberts2404 that is cheap cummins lift pumps cost a small fortune and we wont talk about a dmax
IDI engines are very different from Cummins/other contemporary engines. I don't know about the lift pump, but powerstroke injectors cost $400 a piece on the cheap end, whereas IDI injectors cost $40 a piece.
Whoa, whoa, wait a sec... 7.3 idi's don't start on ether, they start on "Cosby in a can". Only available from Princess Auto or Ukrainian Tire.
This project should be lovingly referred to as “One Ton Tanya”
This was like a starter motor torture film.
@AII Iives Matter Unity not Racism and Divisiongreat point to make , especially because if the glow plugs work one time with all that ether in there , you might as well leave it there
Found a lighter and a spoon in the cab... interesting
shhh!! we won't tell anybody...the last owner was a coke user :(
Cereal eating cigarette smoker?
No syringe though
@@ncsfinest09 coke as in coca cola brand heroine?
Dale- where are my reformed fellas at?
Its hilarious watching you struggle with this. I have a 93 sitting in the driveway, and I know all these tricks from owning the girl. The 7.3 will eat anything you throw at it.
Open lines on top of injectors
Tip my dad did when running a scrap yard. Keep 3 coffee cans. 1 for Ford keys, 1 for GM, 1 for import. Junk a car keep the keys
At 0:53 I thought you were going to break the window out with that lol
So did I.
Same
@@michaelhume9814 So did I.
Me too.
Same
I had an old Ford you could start with a screwdriver, it was great going out to work and finding one of my friends had moved it!!
9999
That sounds great
my dad's '94 f350 is started by connecting a couple wires near the steering wheel lol
Dang! That starter lasted longer than my first marriage! 🤣 😄 🙂 😐 😒 😔 😥
I was screaming START at my screen for the last 5 minutes of this video!!!
That's pretty much owning a obs ford in a nutshell.
My OCD kicked in hard the last 5 minutes. One could say I had turrets!
I kept yelling BRING THE THUNDER!!!
I ABSOLUTELY need this truck!! I love these trucks and we just started a roadside business and needing a truck.
He said they are both 4-sale
When you bleed the injectors do one at a time while cranking. tighten it while still cranking. do each one like that, if every else is ok you wont make it through all of them before it starts.
Dave Simcox I disagree. You have to bleed the air from each individual injector for that injector to fire correctly. The engine may fire but will most likely have a miss
Dave is right. When you tighten the line up when your not cracking it will trap a air pocket in the line. And it will act like a spring and never let the injector crack open once it starts and get up in rpm it will clear out the other injectors.
Just came across your video waiting for part 3
Since int he beginning it fired but never since, there is air getting in the injection lines. I agree with Dave that need to bleed each one, and close it while cranking. not getting the pressure to crack the injectors
Try the Vice Grip Garage method of "BRING THE THUNDER!" Seems to work every time.
Beat me to it. I was yelling it the entire time.
along with COME ON!!
60% of the time, it works every time
I think they might be related. (to Vice Yard Grip that is.)
That poor starter
I have now binged the entirety of your channel. Very entertaining and enjoyable.
High pressure fuel pump probably failed.
Also... That starter is a savage!!
Yeah, that's what I thought. That dribble out of the cracked injectors seemed like way too little fuel. Perhaps it started once at the beginning from left over pressure from 15 years back.
Pretty sure it's mechanical on that truck.
I thought so too I think you need at least 100 psi for that engine. Also is there a way to verify injections are happening at correct time
this is the first video of yours that i have stumbled across, the fact that its about a 90's idi tow truck wins my sub. I own a small towing service and i have several of these rigs....doing an engine swap in one at the moment...love the IDI. Totally have to watch how this series of vids progresses. very entertaining. A little painful to watch, but i have made all these very same moves myself......good times..
Kevin even though it is 2 years later that I get to watch this video , as an owner of several diesels including Found On Road Dead brand I can tell you that changing a glow plug is quicker than the 2 or 3 days you have spent. Last set I changed on our '79 cost $14.50 each am not complaining about and you really only need 1 or 2 out of the 8 since one it fires it does not care how many glows there are. But it is fun watching you struggle just like several of the guys in the shop did trying to figure it out.
Here is a diesel tip - once you get it going dump a full quart of trans oil in a full tank of fuel and then once every 3 or 4 tanks after that. Trans fluid as you know is acid based and by doing that especially on the older diesels will clean and keep clean the injector and the motor will not even notice it. Though you might smoke the first 1 or 2 times while the shit is cleaned out. I can for a fact tell you this works on the Oldsmobile diesels for sure (I had one of those POS's that could not get out of its own way)
There’s got to still be air in the system. I’d throw a new fuel filter in it and bleed each injector line one at a time while cranking.
Kevin: can’t find keys
Also kevin: *finds screwdriver* this could be a key
You try back for and driver and back
She's turning into "ol' slave lake" already (fuckin mint)
Jump out the glow plugs
Kevin Jump out the glow plug wire in and try on starting fluid on the Fuel injection air cleaner
it is a ford after all a screw driver is just a key you forgot you had
My soul goes out to that starter.
not that I'm any easier on the one in my 7,3
ATF down the intake to increase compression in the cylinders.
Diesels run on fuel and compression. You know you have fuel and yes the engine sounds good, but does it have enough compression to fire off?
Even with lower compression it would still crank especially on the ether
It fired up once, then ran out of fuel
the beauty of diesels, mine starts instantly - every time
IDI's with bad glow plugs forget about starting it
Oh god I know the pain. I've had those times when trying to swat at something and smack myself right in the nuts.
That young lady reminds me of Mackenezie Phillips that rode around with John Milener (Paul Le Mat) in American Graffiti!
I thought it was Harrison Ford?
@@rob69270 Nope, HF was the bad guy in the '55 :Chevy that dun run off the road in the race. He'd picked up the female lead after she split with male lead. I hate forgetfulness! Always thought she was miscast, not attractive 'nuff.
Your car is uglier than I am!
Bob Falfa was Ford's character..."That must be your mama's car"...
Yeah HF was Falfa in the flat black 55 Chevy!
Dude, you are not getting any fuel through those injectors. Take them out and see if you can get flow through them. They may be totally sludged up. Don't assume that because the filter housing is clean now that the injectors are clean. Somebody probably cleaned the housing before trying to get it running and gave up there. Also your high pressure pump may be bad, or something wrong with the governor. It may not be making enough pressure to open the injectors. You can try swapping in a new pump, but first try full throttle while cranking.
The starting directions for IDIs say to start them at half throttle until you get below freezing anyway. They should be capable of starting without throttle anyway but I owned one for long enough it’s a hard habit to break.
@@roundsm18 well I don't think when the engineers wrote the manual they we accounting for the truck sitting for several years with old diesel fuel sitting in the injectors
that's what I feel, plus he's got at least one cylinder with low compression. that makes starting it even harder. If the rings are so bad to the point where it's not making enough compression to even run normally...that may be why they left it.
parteibonza that does account for the pronounced uneven cranking.
Konner Kramer well your initial comment made reference to a high pressure pump (they have an injection pump, but it’s a rotary pump). The injectors themselves don’t have to open and close, fuel just gets shot through them and atomized into the precombustion chamber. While it would make sense to pull them it’s not like they have complex parts to get stuck.
The IDI was a simple engine. Lower injection pressure and it will still start with all 8 glow plugs bad.
Try remove the glow plugs and fill in some marvel mystery oil to gain up some compression. Diesel motor are easy to start when you feed even petrol to the intake! if it doesnt start means the compression are bad or maybe some leaky valve or stucked valves.
I’d check out the injectors and crossover tubes as well as making sure the fuel line nuts are torqued enough. Assuming that you bled the fuel separator and added fresh diesel, take a look at your intake/exhaust valves to make sure the lash is not out of spec. Good luck!
I kove how the moment you got it turned around, cloud cover blocked the sun
I am very happy to see y'all like Derek and vise grip garage and you also make it comical just like he does which makes it very entertaining
That extra knocking sounds like when slave lake is about to hydrolock. 😂
Oh hell yeah!! 🤙 Thanks Kevin and Mook and Jacob
for this. Totally made for a great end to an otherwise hectic day!
1st timer here. Let your girl know she had an awesome concert T on. Crown the Empire is a great band. Noticed towards the end the Turbo impeller was not spinning. Shouldn't it just a little. Seems like it's clogged. There should be tons of Diesel coming out those fule lines when you crack them.
This is basically just an hour long video of cranking the engine, and like 3 minutes of wasp fights 😂
You don't need a key!! Ol slave lake don't have a key. Put some Bruce Jenner in it and red line her.
Nice reference.
You win best comment 😁
I get old diesels, that've been left standing, going by using a hot air gun (or even a blow torch if your careful) up their air intake. Diesels use compression ignition, so when they've been left standing, the piston rings get stuck and they have low compression. Therefore the air in the cylinders doesn't get hot enough to burn the fuel. The problem is a lack of ignition not a lack of fuel, so starter fluid is not going to help. Also using starter fluid with diesels can cause detonation (knocking) that cracks piston rings. This then makes them hard to start so people use more starter fluid. I've heard guys talk about diesel engines getting "addicted" to starter fluid.
The truck's new Delta Tau Chi nickname should be, "Crankenstein"...
You've no fuel there. Those injectors should be pouring fuel everywhere when you crack them off. A little dribble means nothing. You never checked the stop solenoid did you?????
Watch zip ties and bias ties he’ll show you how to start a diesel
@@Sc00ter_65 a diesel is not a diesel!
Yess, open all banks until all pours out fuel, then tighten them up, I think they will start if their cracked as well
Killed me when they cracked for 2 cranks
Motor is bad. It wont even run on starting fluid. Only 3 things a Diesel needs to run is air, fuel and compression. It's got fuel and air but no compression. (Fuel is the starting fluid).
Honestly, I watch your channel to see MOOK. She is HILARIOUS!!!!!
Anybody else think he was gonna bust out a window when he picked up that post?
yep,..I thought,..well that will do it,..a little drastic but, were burning daylight here!
I was hoping he would only bust the wing window. Instead I wasted a hour watching them kill batteries and a starter.
Yeah
me
I was thinking oh he isn't about to do that
"I'm not too worried about getting this sucker fired up."
I'll take Famous Last Words for a hundred, Alex.
ikr its a idi that was parked
I think it is pride that is making him keep going. He did say he was not worries about getting it started. But like all good men, Never give up because a machune can not beat me!
Rip Alex
@@krisgendreau same
Gasoline is a good starting fluid for diesels. Arag soaked in gasoline over the intake gets the vapor down inside the cylinders to get it to start. Just down lose the rag into the turbo. Good Luck.
Can't wait for ep 3. THE SUSPENSE IS KILLING ME
Yes!!!!! Prt3 so ready for it
Yepp
I like how one fender of the truck says "F-150" and the other says "F-350" 😂
That makes it a 250
Yea you have to average it out, so it’s an F-250
Just came across your message now I have to look at the fenders
Puce Goblin shhhhhhhhh😳😂
Agreed! Also, I knew a guy who had an F-350 tow truck with a cab from a 150. Insurance is cheaper for 150. Not quite legal, that mod. Maybe it was actually an F-150 with an upgraded chassis? Nudge nudge wink wink... say no more!
Watching them battle the wasps like, dude, you have cans of ether. That stuff will knock them out of the sky. Also can use it to fume the bodywork and get the nests.
Mook trying not to laugh when Kevin says my BALL’s. Priceless. Than finds a ball
The number of times I was thinking "Did he check for spark?" Then realized I was an idiot.
Unfortunately it's been a no spark situation for a Loooong time
😂😂
As a diesel mechanic this was painful to watch, but still entertaining. Pure comedy gold!
At long last you started talking about bleeding the fuel system. When you opened the fuel filter, you introduced air into the system. It might have started if you hadn’t done that. Now you have to start your bleed at the outlet of the fuel filter which is filled by the lift pump. You need to look at the manual for your engine and find out which things you need to crack on the high pressure pump to bleed it. Only then do you start cracking the injectors themselves. I don’t think it has anything to do with the glow plugs. In that weather it should have started. The Perkins 4-108m diesel in my boat had none and it started readily from March to November on the Chesapeake. It was a real dog to bleed. Electronic, common-rail diesels are easier in this respect.
All he needed was more ether. She would have went. Every one of these trucks I've had mostly 6.9 and 7.3 fords blew glow plugs like crazy. And if it didnt have the glow plugs good luck on the first start of the morning without starting fluid. After that it starts without them first crank
You should have brought a propane torch and throw the flame right in the intake. Done it many times with chevy 6,2 with blown glow plugs. Works every time
A gas soaked raf over the turbo Inlet would've worked fine. It's not the fluid itself, it's the vapor.
0:50 who else thought he was just finna say screw it and bust the window😂
When working in the broiling sun, just maybe a t-shirt and hat in a color other than black? Maybe a pair of work gloves to pick up or push on sizzling metal? Just a possibility.
Sorry, son. Did you just watch an American TH-camr, expecting intelligence? o_O XD
@@omgwtfkthxbai You've got me there.
Something happened after the inital start-up. Started up quick and ran good.
@Jak Starkel th-cam.com/video/8TmaLpqgWjI/w-d-xo.html
@@BenMeyer1337 coulda made a time stamp like 1:23 like a normal person
It just liked the 8 year old ether that came with it
@@wildman510 13:30
@@obeylesspunk actually I think that's literally what happened, that was ether not half alcohol half ether
Something we used to do to our HMMWVs in the Army was plug the exhaust to create back pressure in the engine
That's pretty interesting.
I’ve heard that if you put ATF in the intake it helps the cylinders to gather enough compression to start in this situation. Yes I know you add it to gas applications for another reason without spark plugs in but with a diesel it works.
Hey man awesome video, even though you didn’t get it running you guys did everything right minus the either lol. Anyway it’s not starting due to an air intrusion. Your return lines are beyond shot and are leaking air into them and these engines need all 8 to get going. and any air even in one will give you trouble. Well your glow plugs are probably shot, but if it’s above 65° it should start without them. If you can get your hands on a return line kit or even piece one together yourself along with checking out the fuel lines and making sure they are 100% OK you should get it fired. These engines are awesome but they have lots of kryptonite.
Only thing I'm gonna say different is idis need glows to 110°, so a little ether would have helped, but it's definitely not getting fuel
@@1963felonee got one that will fire no glows in 20 degree weather, they dont need them but it helps
Air intrusion is only a problem when it sits. A electric pump with constant pressure on the pump wouldn’t let the return lines syphon fuel from the pump.
I had an 89 6.9 IDI, good compression, almost new injector pump. I could get that pig going down to 0 without glow plugs and a can of ether. It kinda looked like this video, but with a start at the end.
Good Old Peg leg jams the throttle wide open. You need to do that in a diesel
A little red line fur a good time!
Pull it to shop take top apart and clean
Give 'er the ketchup!!
In the summer, glow plugs aren't going to keep it from starting. You should have white smoke coming from the exhaust while cranking if it is getting fuel just not lighting the fuel. If there is no white smoke, then something is preventing fuel from being injected. Check for fuel by cracking an injector line and work back from there.
its the meting rod/valve in the pump are stuck, they always get stuck when sitting for some years, take the pump top off and work is lose,
googel metering valve on stanadyne db2
Its not even firing on ether, it's a glowplug issue.
AnthraxBird it’s a pump issue it should kick right off with ether.
@@AnthraxBird glowplugs have nothing to do with starting a diesel engine In 90° weather......
Should we just go for it? - Mook "YES!" - I love the enthusiasm.
Idk why, but these junk yard videos are relaxing.
That was painful to watch, yet strangely I couldn't stop lol. Good work guys.
1 hour long, this'll be a good evening
I would hook up the original fuel system and try again since purging the system. I don't think your little green pump is up to the task.
I was grinding my teeth every thirty seconds of cranking. I'm down to nubs now and I'll have to eat apple sauce for dinner.
Funny comment
Been waiting forever for this part 😂
lol me too 'f5 f5 f5'
Me to
Fo real
Me too bro
Been sat checking to see if the next part has been posted and could of missed like I've not been checking daily 👌😂
Years ago, I had a 1989 f150 that had been running fine, but suddenly I could not get to start...for days.
For whatever reason, I was convinced it was a fuel delivery issue. Messed with it and messed with but I was stumped. Finally, I randomly happened to discover a broken wire going to the neutral safety switch on the transmission. As I looked at it I remember thinking..”surely, that can’t be the problem”. Spliced it together, turned the key and it started instantly.
I was so happy but felt kinda foolish having spent so long working the poor starter. This episode reminded me of that experience.
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I did notice that the bumper was not straight maybe that is why it won’t start it looks like it’s frowning. If you get it to smile it make be happy to start. Lol
Compared to other things they have started ,this one sure looked like it had alot of potential..
If those tires were bias plies they wouldn’t need any wind, just send it!!!
The old red truck did really well. But, the black wrecker has been tough. Part 3 should had been easier. New glow plugs . About the only thing I would try. Thank you Kevin, Mook and Jacob.
💯👍👊
Man that thing was so close to starting. I would have hooked up my daily driver idling with jumper cables so you didn't have to keep running out of battery. And it was so close to starting during some of those light ether mists it sure is tempting to think that with more ether it would have started.
I use brake cleaner. Doesnt get addicted to it like diesel crack. Plus it doesnt knock
Part 3!!! I personally love these is one hour videos
I was expecting the classic Hollywood move of lowering the visor and seeing the keys fall in your lap.
This Jacob Davis guy seems like a low budget version of Mike Finnegan. Finnegan's stunt double?
i dont think anyone who would feel the need to steal an early 90s ford would be watching this, or be deterred 😂
When thieves steal new M.B & bmw's these days...I don't think an old F truck would interest them lol
That works on a lot more than an old ford...
@@NicksGarageDoorService (in my country the auto dipstick is the universal key)
I lost 2 of my fords that way
@@NicksGarageDoorService yeah, but it hardly works on any car from the last 15 maybe 20 years. so most cars with any real value
Back in the days when custom ring tones were the thing to do, I had my Dad's set to his old '90 7.3L IDI cranking.
Call Peg he’ll tell you how to get the steering and all unlocked. 😂😂😂
6.0
then the poor bastard found the keys after the fact! haha
Love your channel and vids! As a 94 IDI owner this video made me cringe! Be kind to your starter, they're expensive and not fun to replace. And put down the ETHER! The recipe for an IDI is quite simple, mostly what you need is compression and fuel. This motor uses a mechanical injection pump. Since you are not getting smoke (unburnt diesel) while cranking, I suspect your IP may not be producing enough pressure to POP the injectors. I'd put in a new fuel filter, new return lines, pop test the injectors and if all tests out try a known good but used IP. Glow plugs "clicking" is them OHMing out. Make sure you only use Motocraft glow plugs. They should be on for 12ish seconds and then all 8 should click as the relay shuts them off to prevent damage and swollen tips. Blow by in these motors is normal. Compression testing while the GP's are out is probably a good idea. Good luck! Looking forward to you solving this in Part 3.
I was going to say that the fuel flow at the injectors looked very low when they were bleeding them. When we have bled injector lines, there is fuel EVERYWHERE.
Your comment on Cole's channel about diesels I saw last night makes more sense now. It is really cool seeing you on his channel - for some reason most of the channels I watch are in Iowa and Indiana. Love the vids!
The up and down sound of that engine makes me think one cylinder has low compression.
It's not like they said that a few times...
yeah same