Ayaw k lang sa case eh madali natuklap un pintura haha arte ocd ko haha, saka un disalligned un screw ng side panel, kaya pinalitan k sidepanel ng modified magnetic side panel na nabibili sa laz, shopi sinukat ktulad nun sa size ng sidepanel kaya okay okay naman kinalabasan parang meshilichous
Hi Manong, I just want to mention that I ordered the D21 Pro on 03-13-23 from Lazada Taobao Collection and got a slightly different design: - Top panel is removable. This is a godsent for me as otherwise, my 6600xt PowerColor Fighter (200mm length) would not have fit. - Top panel pattern is slight different and it has 7 parallel lines and the other lines are for fan mounts. - Back panel has a slight depression. This makes the inside panel reach from end to end so the square bracket thing is also missing - Side panel design is different and they have 2 rows of lines instead of 3 - Front panel layout is slight different and the headphone jack is on top of the USB port - Case feet did not come pre-installed Not sure if this was from a different manufacturer or if they changed their design but just a heads up for future buyers.
I accidentally got this version, it greatly matches the case as you described and is different from the one on this video. Can I have some Idea on what type of fans fit on its top part? I measured the dimensions and it's roughly 160mmx110mm but I'm not sure if 90mm would fit.
Try deshroude the rx6600 and check the temp. Naka D19 ako w 1660super at similar ang temps natin @70c. Noon nag deshroud ako at swap to 120mm slim fan nag drop to 65c. Tama ka na di na exhause ang gpu side kaya trapped hot air. Pag walang gpu shroud yung hot air pwede mag vent out sa paligid ng gpu.
Manong, any benchmarking tips and what to look out for? Nakabuo na ko sa Metalfish G5. Di naman sya maingay o mainit kapag naglalaro, baka lang may na-miss ako na gawin sa build hehe
Will add to pipeline. Though at this rate, baka po matagal-tagal pa. Current pila: Feb - S300 Mar - Fractal Ridge Apr - Baka pala pede dito, I'll order. May - SSUPD Meshroom D
Questions sir. - does it come with a pcie riser? - what riser do i need if im using a b450 board and RX6600? - and what length of the riser do i need 17*17 or 17*19? Thanks!
With riser -- no, buy separately. Riser you need for b450+6600 -- i assume you are asking for which pcie gen you need. technically gen 3 will do (since b450 is gen 3). But gen 4 is more "future proof" and pcie gen is backwards compatible. In short, any and depends on your budget / outlook. Length -- 17*17 (standard itx length)
Pinag iisipan ko if itong D21 pro or ung ZZAW C2P ang bibilhin ko. In terms of pricing ung Matx build is just 2k - 3k Pesos na mas mura kesa s itx build (since mas mahal ung itx motherboards kesa sa matx with the same features + 4.0 riser cable kasi may rtx 4060 ako at bka di mag out ng display pag ginamitan ko ng 3.0 riser cable + mas mahal ang sfx psu). In quality nmn pag dating sa case eh di hamak n mas maganda ung ZZAW C2P but in terms of mods mas madali ung D21 Pro (drilling ng maraming holes pra sa extra 92mm fans katabi ng sfx psu for intake + usb c front panel header). Ang problema ko lng sa D21 pro is ung GPU compatibility since 208mm lng nmn ang maximum length n kaya nya at mahirap mag hanap ng maliit na GPU na papantay or mas malakas p sa rtx 4060 ko since eto n tlga ung minimum requirements ko na GPU specs.
Thanks for the review. QUESTION: If you put larger feet on the bottom of the case, do you think a bottom intake fan would clear the hot air from the side-exhaust of the GPU? I tried finding an RX6600 with a different exhaust direction, but all the cooling systems seem to be based on the same side-exhaust design.
The bottom is pretty much blocked by the PSU and its cable mess so I don't think it will be significant if air is from the botton. Yeah you'd likely see a horizontal HS layout for smaller GPU as it makes sense there. But, I think I made a mistake in highlighting that... Temps are fine, it was a bit louder because fan speed is 60ish% instead of 50ish, but overall it is still fine.
I've ordered the D19 Pro Which Cooler I go for. IS-55/IS-60?. I've Corsair vengeance RGB pro which is 44mm tall & mobo is MSI MPG B760i DDR4. I've planned to install an i5 13500 which I already own. So I want a better cooler.
Sakin naman ok ang front audio, gigabyte gamit ko mobo, nag search ako sa youtube pano cya paganahin ayun gumana din. Disable and enable sa bios yung front audio then may windows app na pang on ng front audio yung realtek audio console para gumana sya pero dapat mauna muna gawin yung sa bios para madownload ng free yung app. Depende sa mobo.
Yung kakatapos kong build sa d21 pro , r5 5600 and pe fighter rx6600xt kahit may exhaust mwdyo choke and xhoke yung bottom kasi nastuck dun kadalasan yun init.
Ah mas mababa po kasi yung Noctua L9. Ang hula ko sa nangyayari dyan sir, dahil hindi lapat yung CPU cooler sa case, nirerecirculate lang yung hot air pabalik sa CPU, so medyo sala-salabat na yung airflow. At this point, hindi na mahihigop yun ng exhaust kasi marerecycle muna yung hangin sa CPU. Try niyo sir gumawa ng parang fan duct para lapat yung intake sa butas ng case. Merong Noctua NA-FD1 for that pero parang madali i-DIY. Tapos yung exhaust ko pala sir noctua din pala. Not sure if malakas higop non kaya di ko nareplicate scenario niyo. Di ko lang maasikaso agad sir pero ilista ko to sa pwede kong balikan
Riser length: 185mm sir (medyo standard sa sandwich layout). Pero dapat sir yung pang itx talaga (nasa options nung d19 / d21 sa lazada) Gen4 riser: usually 3k pesos, madalas 4k.
hi sir, although nasagot ko na sa discord, pero no, based po sa specs, hindi po pwede lagyan ng fans yung D21 non-pro. Other than PSU size (and lack of fan mount), cooler size compatibility din po. Mas mataba yung pro dahil sa SFX PSU compatibility so inallocate nila yung difference na yun sa CPU cooler size limit (rather than thickness of the GPU).
@@manongunboxing the cpu cooler can handle the boost cpu? what gpu can you recommend in this case po yung power sana at what srp din po? salamat sa pagreply always po always ako nagsubaybay sa youtube mo
Anong proc sir? If 5600x / 5800x, kaya po dapat. Unless sobrang intensive ng cpu workload na plan niyo po. I am not seeing any issued for programming, gaming workload, and probably video rendering na rin. For gpu, sa description box po may pcpartpicker link for the compatible gpu's. Ang best dito ay yung mga rtx 3060 ti or rx 6650 xt na kakasya (20k+ po ata sa atin nowadays).
@@manongunboxing okay po plan ko kasi ryzen 7 5800x tapos yung id cooling is 60 with noctua fan tapos gpu nalang pag iisipan ko ano mas swak at maganda na gpu sa ryzen 7 5800x
For 5800x, overpowered po sya sa gaming w/ 3060ti and 6650xt. Also probably the hottest 5000 series processor (kaya sya lagi nasa benchmark ko; and yes probably even hotter than 5900x and 5950x due to its design). Comparable results pero mas madali palamigin at mas tipid sa kuryente: 5700x. For gaming alone, comparable din yung 5600x specially if paired with 3060 ti/6650xt. I understand sir na gusto niyo best na kakasya, mas ok rin lagyan ng practical perspective (what you want to achieve at a cheaper price). Though ang best cpu for itx talaga now e ryzen 9 7900 (non X) kaso wala pang am5 itx boards gaano sa market, bukod sa kainaman naman sa mahal.
I had experience where there was no display if the riser is gen 3 and the follwing are gen 4: motherboars, cpu, and gpu. It's not just me, even OptimumTech had this issue (and a few more online). LTT also has mentioned this issue. Gen 4 gpu with gen 3 riser will have no issues if the mobo or cpu (or both) is gen 3.
Perfect size for this case. Don't go smaller as it would not reach the screw holes. As for bigger, there will be some bulge from the riser that may hinder GPU installation (specially if riser is stiff), though generally 10mm excess is tolerable.
Bale hindi po. Best to have is at least 185mm tapos dual reverse (or double reverse). To make your shopping easier, yung same listing ng d21 pro sa laz may variation nung exact riser that you need for sandwich style cases
Aaaahh. Pasensya na sir, di po ako nagbibuild para sa iba. Madali lang sa akin magbuild pero pag po nagkaproblema kasi kayo, problema ko rin hehe. Kumabaga, mahihirapan ako sa support later on.
Ayaw k lang sa case eh madali natuklap un pintura haha arte ocd ko haha, saka un disalligned un screw ng side panel, kaya pinalitan k sidepanel ng modified magnetic side panel na nabibili sa laz, shopi sinukat ktulad nun sa size ng sidepanel kaya okay okay naman kinalabasan parang meshilichous
ano ig mo sir? pwede patingin po sa unit mo?
Hi Manong, I just want to mention that I ordered the D21 Pro on 03-13-23 from Lazada Taobao Collection and got a slightly different design:
- Top panel is removable. This is a godsent for me as otherwise, my 6600xt PowerColor Fighter (200mm length) would not have fit.
- Top panel pattern is slight different and it has 7 parallel lines and the other lines are for fan mounts.
- Back panel has a slight depression. This makes the inside panel reach from end to end so the square bracket thing is also missing
- Side panel design is different and they have 2 rows of lines instead of 3
- Front panel layout is slight different and the headphone jack is on top of the USB port
- Case feet did not come pre-installed
Not sure if this was from a different manufacturer or if they changed their design but just a heads up for future buyers.
I accidentally got this version, it greatly matches the case as you described and is different from the one on this video. Can I have some Idea on what type of fans fit on its top part? I measured the dimensions and it's roughly 160mmx110mm but I'm not sure if 90mm would fit.
Pwede po pasend ng link nyan version ng d21 pro?
The GPU heatsink exhaust direction is a very good perception that I've never considered, thanks for that info!
Try deshroude the rx6600 and check the temp. Naka D19 ako w 1660super at similar ang temps natin @70c. Noon nag deshroud ako at swap to 120mm slim fan nag drop to 65c. Tama ka na di na exhause ang gpu side kaya trapped hot air. Pag walang gpu shroud yung hot air pwede mag vent out sa paligid ng gpu.
Actually di ko problema yung temp, ganon sya sa open case. Pero yun fan speed tumaas (from
I hope you get more subs and views. I am getting good info from your videos. Keep it up!
thanks for sharing this video, bought a d30 case for me, really nice case :D
Manong, any benchmarking tips and what to look out for?
Nakabuo na ko sa Metalfish G5. Di naman sya maingay o mainit kapag naglalaro, baka lang may na-miss ako na gawin sa build hehe
Other than temps, bale performance scores po mismo:
Fps for games
Scores from the benchmarking tools (cinebench / geekbench)
damn crazy. lucky I got this last month for 2k php
Nice video and will wait for matx build :)
thanks for the video, gonna try this case with my dtx board, since i can't find any other small case like this support dtx size mb.
boss! new fan, just subbed. ✌️
meron na din silang d26, 6.4L, hoping magka-video. 🤞
Will add to pipeline. Though at this rate, baka po matagal-tagal pa.
Current pila:
Feb - S300
Mar - Fractal Ridge
Apr - Baka pala pede dito, I'll order.
May - SSUPD Meshroom D
thanks for sharing!
Questions sir.
- does it come with a pcie riser?
- what riser do i need if im using a b450 board and RX6600?
- and what length of the riser do i need 17*17 or 17*19?
Thanks!
With riser -- no, buy separately.
Riser you need for b450+6600 -- i assume you are asking for which pcie gen you need. technically gen 3 will do (since b450 is gen 3). But gen 4 is more "future proof" and pcie gen is backwards compatible. In short, any and depends on your budget / outlook.
Length -- 17*17 (standard itx length)
Pinag iisipan ko if itong D21 pro or ung ZZAW C2P ang bibilhin ko. In terms of pricing ung Matx build is just 2k - 3k Pesos na mas mura kesa s itx build (since mas mahal ung itx motherboards kesa sa matx with the same features + 4.0 riser cable kasi may rtx 4060 ako at bka di mag out ng display pag ginamitan ko ng 3.0 riser cable + mas mahal ang sfx psu). In quality nmn pag dating sa case eh di hamak n mas maganda ung ZZAW C2P but in terms of mods mas madali ung D21 Pro (drilling ng maraming holes pra sa extra 92mm fans katabi ng sfx psu for intake + usb c front panel header). Ang problema ko lng sa D21 pro is ung GPU compatibility since 208mm lng nmn ang maximum length n kaya nya at mahirap mag hanap ng maliit na GPU na papantay or mas malakas p sa rtx 4060 ko since eto n tlga ung minimum requirements ko na GPU specs.
That’s the typical dilemma of SFF builders 🙂
Looking at it, mukhang mas convinced ka na sa C2P though.
Hope you find your answers soon.
Thanks for the review. QUESTION: If you put larger feet on the bottom of the case, do you think a bottom intake fan would clear the hot air from the side-exhaust of the GPU? I tried finding an RX6600 with a different exhaust direction, but all the cooling systems seem to be based on the same side-exhaust design.
The bottom is pretty much blocked by the PSU and its cable mess so I don't think it will be significant if air is from the botton.
Yeah you'd likely see a horizontal HS layout for smaller GPU as it makes sense there. But, I think I made a mistake in highlighting that... Temps are fine, it was a bit louder because fan speed is 60ish% instead of 50ish, but overall it is still fine.
I've ordered the D19 Pro Which Cooler I go for. IS-55/IS-60?. I've Corsair vengeance RGB pro which is 44mm tall & mobo is MSI MPG B760i DDR4. I've planned to install an i5 13500 which I already own. So I want a better cooler.
Is 55 will not be compatible
@@manongunboxing recommend me the best one other than noctua because thats not available in my region
manong hanapan mo nmn kami ng pinaka manipis at pinaka maliit na micro atx case salamat
Also for atx pls sir
Yung next build ko po SFF MATX case.
Will also discuss the struggles and other options (including SFF ATX).
definitely a good value for 2K PHP or less... did the front panel Audio work?
No, sadly it didn't...
I guess this is one more reason not to get it at the current 6K price.
Not working din sayo sir, sakin di rin
Sakin naman ok ang front audio, gigabyte gamit ko mobo, nag search ako sa youtube pano cya paganahin ayun gumana din. Disable and enable sa bios yung front audio then may windows app na pang on ng front audio yung realtek audio console para gumana sya pero dapat mauna muna gawin yung sa bios para madownload ng free yung app. Depende sa mobo.
Yung kakatapos kong build sa d21 pro , r5 5600 and pe fighter rx6600xt kahit may exhaust mwdyo choke and xhoke yung bottom kasi nastuck dun kadalasan yun init.
Choke for PSU sir? 2 need for PSU, 1) patungan para tumaas yung height for intake. 2) dust filter
@@manongunboxing un buong case sir eh pero pag open case 65/66 cpu and gpu haha noctua nhl9a kasi saka na ttrap sa bottom un heat
Ah mas mababa po kasi yung Noctua L9. Ang hula ko sa nangyayari dyan sir, dahil hindi lapat yung CPU cooler sa case, nirerecirculate lang yung hot air pabalik sa CPU, so medyo sala-salabat na yung airflow. At this point, hindi na mahihigop yun ng exhaust kasi marerecycle muna yung hangin sa CPU. Try niyo sir gumawa ng parang fan duct para lapat yung intake sa butas ng case. Merong Noctua NA-FD1 for that pero parang madali i-DIY.
Tapos yung exhaust ko pala sir noctua din pala. Not sure if malakas higop non kaya di ko nareplicate scenario niyo.
Di ko lang maasikaso agad sir pero ilista ko to sa pwede kong balikan
You said the AXP90 interferes with the case, will it not work?
It will, but it's just that it's annoying. The protrusion of the cooler is pushing the spine of the case.
gaano kaya kahaba ang need kong riser if kukuha ko ng gen4 para sa D19 PRO or D21?
2nd question hm ba ang srp ng mga pcie gen 4 riser as of now?
Riser length: 185mm sir (medyo standard sa sandwich layout). Pero dapat sir yung pang itx talaga (nasa options nung d19 / d21 sa lazada)
Gen4 riser: usually 3k pesos, madalas 4k.
stock setting po ba ung processor mo or naka undervolt? pbo?
Stock po
Would this build make it more preferable under the 10L build?
I prefer the densium 4 tbh. But for a bang for the back build, this is still one of the better ones.
pwede ba jan ang Matx na motherbnoard? baka sakali lng hahahah
Di po kakasya
Sana masagot ano po sukat ng riser? 17x19 po ba or 17x17 ?
17x17 po is the standard size ng ITX motherboard. 17x19 for DTX.
Kaya ba sir isang standard arctic p12 fancsa top?
Sa version ko, hindi po kaya. Also need po na manipis na fan (15mm thick)
Boss ano size nung riser cable mo at san mo nabili balak ko din lagyan gpu yung setup ko pero di ko lam anong tamang size para sa extension na riser.
185mm sir, yung pang-ITX. Double reverse or dual reverse tawag nila. Yung riser na binebenta sa same laz shop page nung d21 (check Variations), sakto yun sir.
@@manongunboxing thanks po
hi may I ask what the length of the pcie riser is?
185mm dual reverse
For this seller, choose 17*17 -- this is the standard dimension of ITX motherboards
17*19 is for DTX
sir gano kahaba ang rx 6600 sapphire pulse, kasya ba yan sa k39?
193mm sir. I doubt na kakasya sa k39
Manong yung d21 model po compatible po siya sa 2 fans at top?? what`s difference po d21 vs d21 pro po? aside of flex psu and sfx psu?
hi sir, although nasagot ko na sa discord, pero no, based po sa specs, hindi po pwede lagyan ng fans yung D21 non-pro. Other than PSU size (and lack of fan mount), cooler size compatibility din po. Mas mataba yung pro dahil sa SFX PSU compatibility so inallocate nila yung difference na yun sa CPU cooler size limit (rather than thickness of the GPU).
@@manongunboxing the cpu cooler can handle the boost cpu? what gpu can you recommend in this case po yung power sana at what srp din po? salamat sa pagreply always po always ako nagsubaybay sa youtube mo
Anong proc sir? If 5600x / 5800x, kaya po dapat. Unless sobrang intensive ng cpu workload na plan niyo po. I am not seeing any issued for programming, gaming workload, and probably video rendering na rin.
For gpu, sa description box po may pcpartpicker link for the compatible gpu's. Ang best dito ay yung mga rtx 3060 ti or rx 6650 xt na kakasya (20k+ po ata sa atin nowadays).
@@manongunboxing okay po plan ko kasi ryzen 7 5800x tapos yung id cooling is 60 with noctua fan tapos gpu nalang pag iisipan ko ano mas swak at maganda na gpu sa ryzen 7 5800x
For 5800x, overpowered po sya sa gaming w/ 3060ti and 6650xt. Also probably the hottest 5000 series processor (kaya sya lagi nasa benchmark ko; and yes probably even hotter than 5900x and 5950x due to its design). Comparable results pero mas madali palamigin at mas tipid sa kuryente: 5700x. For gaming alone, comparable din yung 5600x specially if paired with 3060 ti/6650xt. I understand sir na gusto niyo best na kakasya, mas ok rin lagyan ng practical perspective (what you want to achieve at a cheaper price).
Though ang best cpu for itx talaga now e ryzen 9 7900 (non X) kaso wala pang am5 itx boards gaano sa market, bukod sa kainaman naman sa mahal.
Gen 4 gpu with gen 3 riser will still boot it'll just run at gen 3 speed
I had experience where there was no display if the riser is gen 3 and the follwing are gen 4: motherboars, cpu, and gpu. It's not just me, even OptimumTech had this issue (and a few more online). LTT also has mentioned this issue.
Gen 4 gpu with gen 3 riser will have no issues if the mobo or cpu (or both) is gen 3.
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does the case support 92mm fans or only 90mm?
92mm fans. Though most, if not all, "90mm" fans you see in the market are actually 92mm fans.
@@manongunboxing thank you
tanong lang po kasya ba jan yung silverstone na psu
Ano pong specific model?
@@manongunboxing atx po yata yung psu
Hindi po kakasya atx
@@manongunboxing ok po thnak you. tanong lnag din po meron din po bang case na ganyan kasya yung matx na mobo
Wala pong exact na ganito na for matx. Usually po pag matx, traditional layout po at hindi sandwich style
If apu build, meron pong sktc ux01.
how long was the pci-e riser
185mm dual reverse
@@manongunboxing i bought 17x17cm pcie 4.0 riser on lazada. do you think it would be too short?
same page as the d21 pro listing
17*17 is the mobo size. Should equate to 185mm in riser length 🙂
@@manongunboxing thank you! that cleared up my confusion
anu pong size ng casing fan sa taas?
9015 po aka 92mm slim (15mm thick) fans
Do you know the PCIE cable length?
185mm dual reverse
@@manongunboxing Thanks, would you say that's the perfect size or would you go bigger/smaller?
Perfect size for this case. Don't go smaller as it would not reach the screw holes. As for bigger, there will be some bulge from the riser that may hinder GPU installation (specially if riser is stiff), though generally 10mm excess is tolerable.
May i ask how long is the riser cable ?
185mm
Also if this is your first time buying, this is called a double reverse. Ensure to buy for itx/ sandwich layout.
@@manongunboxing ty i was gonna buy a seperate riser instead
Kahit anong gpu riser po ba pwede?
Bale hindi po. Best to have is at least 185mm tapos dual reverse (or double reverse). To make your shopping easier, yung same listing ng d21 pro sa laz may variation nung exact riser that you need for sandwich style cases
@@manongunboxing thank you for answering. yun sa lazada nalang din orderdin ko para worry free na ko. kala ko kasi any riser will fit.
Yung 17*17 po ba?
Yes for ITX mobo, yung 17*17 motherboard extension po.
(Yung 17"19 ay pang mini DTX po)
@@manongunboxing thank you manong for being responsive. on going na project ko d19 pro + gtx 1650. more power sa channel mo 💪
Fan case Size ?
90mm slim fans
@@manongunboxing Thanks🥰
Sir nagbubuild po ba kau ng gnto
Ng alin sir?
@@manongunboxing kung pwd po mgpabuild ng gnto?san po kau pwd imsg
Aaaahh. Pasensya na sir, di po ako nagbibuild para sa iba. Madali lang sa akin magbuild pero pag po nagkaproblema kasi kayo, problema ko rin hehe. Kumabaga, mahihirapan ako sa support later on.
@@manongunboxing ahh isee po sige sir
Sir baka pwd kau macontact san po pwd?
Em qual linga voces falam
Filipino
Hello. What is the length of the PCIE riser?
hi, 185mm dual reverse