Ryan, don't give up. Your struggle is the adventure we love. I love it when you get stuck, or get caught in a precarious situation. The data is just filler.
I have a 2007 toyota sequoia with 237,000 miles on. I just checked into trading mine in only worth 5,000. I added another 5,000 down payment and the payment still came out to $1120 a month without insurance. That's as much as my house mortgage. Sorry toyota your nuts! I will keep driving the one I have thats paid for.
Thanks for the review Ryan. Not being able to remove the 3rd row seat will be a dealbreaker for most customers. Most people need room for cargo. $80K is way overpriced, especially not being able to remove that 3rd row.
@@FuckTheGlobal Yep, that’s how we got over 300K from our Camry after 18 years of ownership. The most miles I’ve ever gotten from a Toyota was a 78 Corolla and it dropped dead at 488K miles in 02.
@FuckTheGlobal. It's still very much overpriced. And we don't know that "Toyota" equals reliability. We know that "previous Toyota vehicles" have been reliable. These new generations are changing up the drivetrains transmissions and engines. We don't know that this new stuff is reliable yet.
At 7:30 ish Ryan talks about the third row. I completely agree. I have a 2014 Sequoia which is a tank, and the third row folds completely flat and is technically removable if I needed to for more cargo. This 3rd gen Sequoia has advanced in many ways, but in some crucial ways it has taken a step backwards. Third row is one and no second row heated/ventilated seats is another.
I learn so much about how to mitigate snowy conditions from watching your reviews. Even with over 15 years experience as a commercial driver some of your advice has saved me in a few situations. Thanks for the content.
pro tip: when you see two or more cars randomly in the ditch (with their flashers or headlights on and still occupied) within less than 3 miles there must be black ice...
Beautiful scenery, beautiful mountain drive, beautiful rig. IMO not worth the money however. At 80 plus, realizing of course that includes discretionary options, there are A LOT, of extremely capable options at that price point. I like Toyota vehicles, but they tend to get overly aggressive with their pricing sometimes. Love your reviews and all the hard work you and Nick put in to your videos in all weather conditions. Thanks for the great work!
Ryan, great honest review and finally someone calling it like it is with some of the issues with the 3rd gen Sequoia. Also, the Toyota engineer that told you that it was a power thing that led them to leave the Torsen centre diff out is full of poop. The 2nd gen Sequoia with the 5.7L V8 had a TRD supercharger available for dealer install up to the 2013 model year which produced 504hp and 550lb-ft of torque, all dealer installed and with the factory warranty. The only reason they discontinued it after 2013 was due to modifications to the 5.7L engine to make it E85 compatible. The LC500 has the torsen centre diff as well, and the new Land Cruiser 300 with the 3.3L turbo diesel has 520 lb-ft of torque, and has the same torsion centre diff setup as the 2nd Gen Sequoia. The real reason (same as for the solid rear axle vs independent rear of the 2nd Gen) was to minimize cost and maximize profit. They basically redesigned the Tundra and Sequoia and failed to even reach the standard of the current models of domestic trucks and large SUVs. Not easy for me to say this as I am a lifelong Toyota owner (2012 Sequoia since new, and now a 2022 Sequoia TRD Pro after this 3rd Gen buffoonery was released). Just had my 2022 Lunar Rock TRD Pro at the dealer for an oil change and had the opportunity to do a side-by-side comparison with a 2023 Sequoia Limited. Other than the cosmetic and generally useless techie stuff, the 3rd Gen doesn't hold a candle to the outgoing 2nd Gen. If Toyota had really wanted to knock it out of the park, they would've kept the 2nd Gen with a major facelift (exterior and interior), installed the dual mode injection system from the Lexus V8 and the 8-speed auto, and it would've been much better than this new crap. My predication is that this Sequoia doesn't make it past the midlife refresh in 3-4 years, and perhaps even less. If Toyota's new LC Prado / 4Runner / GX550 go the same route and rely on the Toyota USA inputs they may as well just quit now. Mike Spears (Toyota senior Tundra/Sequoia engineer) should be ashamed.
RJ, Thank you saying what I have thought from the first review on a high spun V6 with questionable long term reliability and replacing the tried and true V8.
Completely cool! Less than 200 miles on the odometer means it is not the same press rig that TFL used. I like your review WAY better because you used it in conditions that well.. frankly WE live in day to day. Going to MOAB is fine, but not a daily occurrence for the majority of the population. lol. I like that you point out the tires being knock offs from what we would really get from a tire shop. I like that you mentioned the dash cam AND used footage from it. Frankly, I thought the footage from it was great! I just don't like what it is really meant for. Privacy is already compromised as it is, don't need a camera sending footage of our trips to sources we don't approve of. Outside of that, once again, I agree with your assessment of this vehicle. It is a shame it cannot be configured more towards purpose needs of the buyer. But then, that is why one buys a 4R. And when the 4R is updated to match the tech. of this rig, it will be really something extra special.
The camera had footage from arriving at the dealer for prep and the fleet operator going to a restaurant (activated due to someone walking by the Sequoia) when we got it. Lol.
@@drivingsports See, that is exactly what I am talking about. lol Great for security, lousy for privacy. Merry Xmas Ryan to you, your family and staff. 🎄 🎅🙂
Not a fan of Toyota getting a lesser version of the AT3W tire, Especially since it lacks the 3PMSF rating which is often used by governments when deciding what tires are allowed on certain roadways in the winter. I can see some owners thinking they’re fine when in fact they may not be legal.
AT off-road tires way overrated for winter use. They're harder for rock abuse and not as well siped. Get some dedicated winter tires if you have real winters.
Wasn't the problem that the Land Cruiser was too expensive? I'd rather have a LC over of a Sequoia. Great video as always! Does this mean that the GX did a better job? It made it up in the snow and on highway tires. 🤔
Nice review! I like this vehicle a lot, but it ain’t cheap for sure! One more thing to add, I feel like these is general misconception that with snow tires you want them to “clear the snow” off the tires, which is counterproductive. Snow sticks to snow, that’s why 3-peek rated tires have so much different sipes to help hold snow in, so it improves your grip by sticking to the ground. With mud is where you want that spinning and clearing the tires, as mud does not stick to mud, or anything else for that matter lol. Happy holidays and keep the awesome content!
The third row seat is one of the biggest reason I don't think I'm going to buy a Sequoia. I could careless about it being hybrid. This one of the best video's I've watched about the Sequoia. I wish there were more choices with colors, rim's, and interior.
This channel is the Smoking Tire of SUVs. Absolute god-tier. It's exactly the kind of review of the vehicle that people want, AND it's a lesson in offroading. People want to think they already know how to offroad but the reality is if you go out and buy a Tacoma or 4Runner and put big mud tires on it and never get it stuck, you don't really know how to offroad. You haven't learned how to estimate what you can and can't get through. You haven't learned how to get out of different kinds of situations. You haven't learned how to do recoveries. You haven't learned how to use your vehicle's assist systems that can get you through stuff you wouldn't be able to get through by yourself. Offroading is getting stuck and learning how to get out of it.
I am looking at this and the Ford Expedition Timberline. I love the looks of the Toyota but there are some things that Toyota did that scream cost cutting that does not make sense at 80k. You should get your hands on a Ford Timberline and compare how it does in similar conditions on the same route. Thanks a lot. Love your style of videos.
I disagree with your comments from Toyota about the Torsen center differential. If that’s the case, then why does the 300 series LC AND Lexus have it equipped with this drivetrain?? Toyota was just being cautious to not rob themselves of clients willing to buy more expensive vehicles.
I agree with you, the third row is really annoying, the small 22-gal fuel tank is disappointing too. I bought a 2023 4Runner AWD LTD with the 3rd row, just in case I need the extra seats, but the cargo space is much better.
As always, great review Ryan! I think the reason this will not sell well, is this Sequoia doesn’t really know what it is. If someone spends 80K+ on a vehicle, they are probably not too interested in mpg. Which, as you pointed out, is not that great. USB-A? Really? The hybrid causes too much compromise. Can’t take out rear seats. No options for different power trains. For off roading I prefer a narrow profile. Not huge mirrors. Lots of room in the back with good aggressive tires. Part time 4wd is ok. For towing, full time AWD, big mirrors, preferably lots of room in the back. Milder tires are fine. So what is this vehicle, really? Seems to me it is neither “fish nor fowl.”
I agree with Ryan, third row was a big fail. Pretty much unanimous feedback on that. I really wonder why they couldn’t put the batteries under the second row or hey even the first row like on the sienna. Based on the fact that this is now an overly complex vehicle, I suspect they will not win any market share from Tahoe and similar vehicles. Was a fan of the previous generations of Toyotas… More simple in nature. Not so much anymore. hopefully time will prove me wrong. I know it was for emissions requirements, but one can still reminisce.
A good winter tires are more important than all-wheel-drive system. I would argue as somebody who is coming from a family of mechanics. You just need to put good blizak tires on and as long as you have a good clearance, you will go through anything. I live in Alaska and I see big SUVs stuck in snow all the time, and I have a fairly small vehicle and I was never stuck in my life.
Before you started the engine, I was staring at the infotainment screen and thinking, "Good grief! Is this the Sequoia IMAX Edition?" But then the instrument panel came on, and the iForceMAX logo popped up, and I thought, "Close enough!"
Agreed! The 3rd row being mandatory is a deal breaker. I DO NOT want a 3rd row. Disappointed about the lesser tires too, especially for that much money.
The wildpeaks on my Tundra are absolutely horrible! I had 2 flats before I got 800 miles from 2 different drives down gravel roads. Falken refused to help me out. I figured they would use my tires to look at so they could improve upon them.
Great review. IMO you're the most trustworthy reviewer I've seen for your honest comments on cons as well as pros of a vehicle. At that price point I think Toyota could at least use the real Falken A/T 3W's and not the nerfed, inferior versions just to save cost.
Great video Ryan. Two questions: 1) Did you attempt to use crawl control at any point? Would have loved to see it in that final section. 2) Any chance you can do a similar review in the Ford Expedition Timberline? That and the AT4 seem like the most direct competitors (130 Defender now as well I guess)
Great video. I agree with you on package and price. 3rd row seat eats valuable space and lack of AWD is also a show stopper for me. I had a RWD Sequoia and the traction control was constantly cutting rear wheel power when I needed it the most. Also why does Toyota go cheap with tires on off road/4WD Vehicles as so many Toyota lovers live in the snow belt. I have had 4 Toyotas and changed the tires ASAP. Can’t car camp in it either, bummer as it look cool.
Merry Christmas! Great review. The price tag is hefty considering you don’t have options for different powertrains and the non-removable third role is a deal breaker. Toyota fans, especially off-readers or overlanders want options to create space in the vehicle for gear. 100% agree with you there. Will admit love the look of the Sequoia, but would have to go with the new GX or an older LC used.
I'm 100% with you on not wanting or needing a 3rd row. I still want all the cargo space I can get though. I still don't understand why all the body on frame SUVs are so expensive.
It’s a great vehicle, yes. But how did Toyota managed to come up with a three-row SUV that doesn’t offer more space for luggage? For 80k$? I mean, it seems like a great rig, but it doesn’t tick enough boxes for what a three-row should be. Meanwhile, it ticks boxes we didn’t even know or needed. So yeah, for this price point, I’d go with a GX460 without a flinch.
Sticking with my new trd pro 4 runner, it's got literally everything I could possibly need or want on the trails. Thank You for another great video once again man seriously I'm a huge fan and it's Thanks to your channel that I made my decision for my 2023 Toyota 4Runner TRD Pro. I personally would rather have it and not need it than need it not have it when I'm in the mountains here in beautiful East Tennessee. Thank You for your channel and have a blessed day everyone
@@charlieknight5065 oh ya? Too bad the GX460's first year was in 2010. 😁. Bless yourself and tell me how it was a typo and you meant to say you have a 2006 GX470 🤣🤣😅😅😂😂🤣🤣
Ryan, It seems like a heck of a big effort just to pick up a free🎄In this case it surprises me that the tires are an issue as it looks like that paint color should melt its way through the snow.😉To be serious, I would be more than satisfied to save a few bucks with a TRD Off-Road in a calmer hue. In regard to the Hybrid battery, has anyone provided an explanation as to why the Tundra has its battery under the second row while the Sequoia's is under the third? As I understand it, neither second row slides. Merry Christmas!
well here's a thought: unlike the tundra, the sequoia comes in 3 rows of seating. also unlike the tundra, the sequoia can come with captains chairs, as an option on higher trims. No third row has ever had a middle seat delete function so therefore, the hybrid battery lives under the third row and the floor of the third row as well. hope this helps
Nice rig, but I would not buy it if it was not big enough for me to sleep in the back. My 2005 Excursion had a removable 3rd row bench, and the middle bench folded down flat. It was awesome for car camping and fishing/hunting trips.
The intregrated dashcam works and has great connectivity if you do one thing, before you connect via wifi, turn off your mobile network (verizon..att..so on) and just have wifi as your connection and it works wonderful. Just heads up I located the info for that on day one.
I enjoy watching your videos, but one of my biggest issues is that most individuals aren't going to sit in the snow. The snow storm that hit Virginia in January this year put down over 20 inches of snow, and I had zero issues in my wife's honda passport on stock tires. Utilizing sand mode will deliver the most power without torque cut due to traction control.
Yup on the Wild Peak tires, Toyota got their own version, aka I'm sure cheaper.. have a TRD Rav 4 and when I got a flat and had to replace one I found that info out from Discount Tire! The don't stop well in the snow but anything else was ok... The regular Wild Peak to the public are supposedly better with a better tire pattern...Discount tire did get me the Toyota version same price.
When he said 15mpg I laughed...they got rid of the V8 in the Sequoia for another gas guzzling underpowered pile of crap engine instead....yep Toyota going downhill quicker than a sled. The Tahoe is a 100% more practical vehicle in the real world and you can get it with a 5.3L V8, a 6.2L V8, or the 3L Turbo Diesel....the Tahoe with the Z71 package and 6.2L V8 in 4WD configuration is about $5-6k less than that Sequoia...the Tahoe also gives you a 4WD auto mode for those who live in snow country that is a great feature to have.
How can a car guy not mention the BBS Forged wheels? Quite literally the best wheels available on the market with an incredible strength to weight ratio.
Not bad considering you were using the stock tires. 👍 That truck would never have any issues here in Ontario in normal winter driving conditions on road, where the majority of them will stay. Half these TRD Pros we will see on the road here will be family men and women upsold by dealership salespeople and not Off-road enthusiasts.
Great video but before you hit the snow you should have taken the tires down to about 20 psi and you would have had a much easier & safer drive. I've taken my 4Runner on trails it had no business being on with stock tires simply by airing down.
I’d love to see how much further a set of good chains would take you in some of these deep snow videos. A lot of us in Washington carry a set in the back through the winter for snow and ice. It would be a realistic use case, and might help with vehicles without 3PMSF/winter tires.
"Had no luck" The Toyota Sequoia is better and has been better than the American full-size SUVs since the very first generation. And next time you're out, take note of how many ~2005 Sequoias are still driving around in good condition vs how many Expeditions and Tahoes. The Sequoia has been a very high quality, well-built, reliable, capable truck for decades, arguably best in class, particular for anybody who plans on keeping it longer than the warranty.
Enjoyed the video. This is the type of video I like to see. I also agree it was a huge missed opportunity with the 3rd row. Maybe they will consider changing things up in the future.
I had the 08 Sequoia, but it didn’t last that long as it should’ve because I lived in a moist salty area and yeah it rusted out fast. I was actually gonna get the new Sequoia because I heard about it like in 2020 from a friend who worked at Toyota and when I heard it had a V6 twin turbo and I was like oh man if I upgraded the turbo and open it up a little bit then it’ll be super fast and powerful but when I found out about the 3rd row, I’m like yeah that’s useless.
The combination of slightly less fanzy equipment (slide-out door mirrors, electrically height-adjustable rear seats) and better packaging of batteries in the rear end as well as the ability to take out the 3rd rear row makes the car significantly more marketable to more customers. The combination of well-thought-out equipment and more flexibility provides higher utility and fewer opportunities for error.
I don’t really like pink cars but this vibrant pink like color looks like the BOMB!!! Does it look pink? The color reminds me of those Starburst smoothies flavors…..but whatever, it looks pretty cool to me and will definitely rock that color!!!
I love the look of the Toyota but there is “cost cutting” they did that I just have a hard time looking past. When everyone is giving it their all in competing why would you cut cost on such obvious stuff. Still on the fence, leaning to the timberline. I hope he films a timberline video in similar conditions
TFL pointed out that the batteries living under the 2nd row meant that the seat bottom was not very high off the floor. While you showed that there was enough length from the front seat backs, your knees did seem a little high for a full size crossover. That is the packaging problem of the hybrid. Also, as a dad with three sons, I continue to dislike the proliferation of the captains chair as mandatory if you get a top 2 trim level. On the Sienna, in order to get a bench seat in the 2nd row, I can't have all wheel drive.
So many complaining about the 3rd row seat. No a big deal. The Toyota will be around much longer than the GM. I went to GM blew my lifters and came right back to toyota. I'll put my truck in 4wd when I need to. Great review.
Great review. I'm sure this is going to be another bulletproof Toyota SUV. Not being able to remove or delete the third row is stupid. That said, for $80k they can stick it. I think I'm never going to be able to afford a new Toyota Tundra or Sequoia with where their prices have gone.
3rd row does not have to be removable but it absolutely needs to fold flat with 2nd row. I use trucks to go for multi day camping trips and I use back as cargo storage when travel and bed at night. Should also have AC /DC plugs for fridges and power stations in trunk
what is the characteristic of all amateurs who try to make car shows? none of those amateurs managed to film the entire cockpit (we mean, from the back seat). no one. instead, they stick the camera within 1 cm of some detail. none of the amateurs managed to record the complete cockpit, the most important thing in the cabin, in good quality. amazing, really.
Testing a real 4wd offroad vehicle in snow/ on winter roads, with SUMMER TIRES. Only in USA..... This test would have been totally different with real dedicated winter tires.
Fantastic video...she's a beast but prices in general are to high. I have a 2011 tundra limited...debating on trading in towards the 24 hybrid taco. Can't wait for you guys to profile it . Thanks for what you do
Good luck finding any dealer to sell you a Sequioa for anything close to that price. I have seen them being sold for over 100k with this same config right now. It's just crazy trying to get one for a reasonable price.
Assuming the MSRP doesn't increase drastically, this looks like it will make the 4runner look like the better deal. Almost the same usability minus the 3rd row and the towing, yet right now you can get one for $20k less than the Sequoia. Nuts.
A most excellently inspiring and edited review. I need this vehicle, my life will not be complete without this vehicle, I will be less of a man…without this vehicle. Ran this past the boss aka my Mrs…and…we’re purchasing a Sienna. 😮😢
Amazing that Toyota does not put all wheel drive or automatic four wheel drive on this vehicle. It is really a compromised vehicle for the class. Can be had for discount.
It really seems like Toyota really phoned it in on that. Most of the people that are going to want to buy a vehicle in thi class, automatic or full-time 4WD will be important to them. Crazy that the last two generations had it, but on the new one they're like meh, let's save a couple bucks.
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Ryan, don't give up. Your struggle is the adventure we love. I love it when you get stuck, or get caught in a precarious situation. The data is just filler.
Agree with Derrick completely. The appeal of Ryan, Nick and this channel is to see every vehicle vehicle to it's practical limits.
Stay strong you are the best you deserve the support
I have a 2007 toyota sequoia with 237,000 miles on. I just checked into trading mine in only worth 5,000. I added another 5,000 down payment and the payment still came out to $1120 a month without insurance. That's as much as my house mortgage. Sorry toyota your nuts! I will keep driving the one I have thats paid for.
That’s nuts for the payment yeah
lol lol, I agree. Very nice vehicle but way too much money.
Thanks for the review Ryan.
Not being able to remove the 3rd row seat will be a dealbreaker for most customers.
Most people need room for cargo.
$80K is way overpriced, especially not being able to remove that 3rd row.
it is a toyota, it will run for 400.000miles and more.
you just have to change the oil on regular basis.
@@FuckTheGlobal Yep, that’s how we got over 300K from our Camry after 18 years of ownership.
The most miles I’ve ever gotten from a Toyota was a 78 Corolla and it dropped dead at 488K miles in 02.
Ford explorer cost over 80k
@FuckTheGlobal. It's still very much overpriced. And we don't know that "Toyota" equals reliability. We know that "previous Toyota vehicles" have been reliable. These new generations are changing up the drivetrains transmissions and engines. We don't know that this new stuff is reliable yet.
So which off road suv would you buy with 80k or less, then ?
At 7:30 ish Ryan talks about the third row. I completely agree. I have a 2014 Sequoia which is a tank, and the third row folds completely flat and is technically removable if I needed to for more cargo. This 3rd gen Sequoia has advanced in many ways, but in some crucial ways it has taken a step backwards. Third row is one and no second row heated/ventilated seats is another.
I learn so much about how to mitigate snowy conditions from watching your reviews. Even with over 15 years experience as a commercial driver some of your advice has saved me in a few situations. Thanks for the content.
pro tip: when you see two or more cars randomly in the ditch (with their flashers or headlights on and still occupied) within less than 3 miles there must be black ice...
Beautiful scenery, beautiful mountain drive, beautiful rig. IMO not worth the money however. At 80 plus, realizing of course that includes discretionary options, there are A LOT, of extremely capable options at that price point. I like Toyota vehicles, but they tend to get overly aggressive with their pricing sometimes. Love your reviews and all the hard work you and Nick put in to your videos in all weather conditions. Thanks for the great work!
The second row captains chairs kill it for me. Rather have a bench, would just remove them as I don't need 7 seats.
Ryan, great honest review and finally someone calling it like it is with some of the issues with the 3rd gen Sequoia. Also, the Toyota engineer that told you that it was a power thing that led them to leave the Torsen centre diff out is full of poop. The 2nd gen Sequoia with the 5.7L V8 had a TRD supercharger available for dealer install up to the 2013 model year which produced 504hp and 550lb-ft of torque, all dealer installed and with the factory warranty. The only reason they discontinued it after 2013 was due to modifications to the 5.7L engine to make it E85 compatible. The LC500 has the torsen centre diff as well, and the new Land Cruiser 300 with the 3.3L turbo diesel has 520 lb-ft of torque, and has the same torsion centre diff setup as the 2nd Gen Sequoia.
The real reason (same as for the solid rear axle vs independent rear of the 2nd Gen) was to minimize cost and maximize profit. They basically redesigned the Tundra and Sequoia and failed to even reach the standard of the current models of domestic trucks and large SUVs. Not easy for me to say this as I am a lifelong Toyota owner (2012 Sequoia since new, and now a 2022 Sequoia TRD Pro after this 3rd Gen buffoonery was released).
Just had my 2022 Lunar Rock TRD Pro at the dealer for an oil change and had the opportunity to do a side-by-side comparison with a 2023 Sequoia Limited. Other than the cosmetic and generally useless techie stuff, the 3rd Gen doesn't hold a candle to the outgoing 2nd Gen. If Toyota had really wanted to knock it out of the park, they would've kept the 2nd Gen with a major facelift (exterior and interior), installed the dual mode injection system from the Lexus V8 and the 8-speed auto, and it would've been much better than this new crap.
My predication is that this Sequoia doesn't make it past the midlife refresh in 3-4 years, and perhaps even less. If Toyota's new LC Prado / 4Runner / GX550 go the same route and rely on the Toyota USA inputs they may as well just quit now. Mike Spears (Toyota senior Tundra/Sequoia engineer) should be ashamed.
Amazing comment!!! Thank you
RJ, Thank you saying what I have thought from the first review on a high spun V6 with questionable long term reliability and replacing the tried and true V8.
Completely cool! Less than 200 miles on the odometer means it is not the same press rig that TFL used. I like your review WAY better because you used it in conditions that well.. frankly WE live in day to day. Going to MOAB is fine, but not a daily occurrence for the majority of the population. lol. I like that you point out the tires being knock offs from what we would really get from a tire shop. I like that you mentioned the dash cam AND used footage from it. Frankly, I thought the footage from it was great! I just don't like what it is really meant for. Privacy is already compromised as it is, don't need a camera sending footage of our trips to sources we don't approve of. Outside of that, once again, I agree with your assessment of this vehicle. It is a shame it cannot be configured more towards purpose needs of the buyer. But then, that is why one buys a 4R. And when the 4R is updated to match the tech. of this rig, it will be really something extra special.
The camera had footage from arriving at the dealer for prep and the fleet operator going to a restaurant (activated due to someone walking by the Sequoia) when we got it. Lol.
We wiped all our footage off the card when the vehicle went back to fleet. Hopefully other reviewers do the same.
@@drivingsports See, that is exactly what I am talking about. lol Great for security, lousy for privacy. Merry Xmas Ryan to you, your family and staff. 🎄 🎅🙂
Not a fan of Toyota getting a lesser version of the AT3W tire,
Especially since it lacks the 3PMSF rating which is often used by governments when deciding what tires are allowed on certain roadways in the winter. I can see some owners thinking they’re fine when in fact they may not be legal.
Read my comment... Yup
Such a Toyota move. Of course they think their own engineers are better than the engineers who designed the tires in the first place.
AT off-road tires way overrated for winter use. They're harder for rock abuse and not as well siped. Get some dedicated winter tires if you have real winters.
@@trailrunnah8886 it’s not that they think they’re better it’s just cheaper
@@trailrunnah8886 ignorant comment
Wasn't the problem that the Land Cruiser was too expensive? I'd rather have a LC over of a Sequoia. Great video as always! Does this mean that the GX did a better job? It made it up in the snow and on highway tires. 🤔
The LC is rumored to be coming back at a price between the Sequoia and the 4runner. We'll see I suppose.
I don’t think the conditions were this bad in the GX.
Nice review! I like this vehicle a lot, but it ain’t cheap for sure!
One more thing to add, I feel like these is general misconception that with snow tires you want them to “clear the snow” off the tires, which is counterproductive. Snow sticks to snow, that’s why 3-peek rated tires have so much different sipes to help hold snow in, so it improves your grip by sticking to the ground. With mud is where you want that spinning and clearing the tires, as mud does not stick to mud, or anything else for that matter lol.
Happy holidays and keep the awesome content!
The third row seat is one of the biggest reason I don't think I'm going to buy a Sequoia. I could careless about it being hybrid. This one of the best video's I've watched about the Sequoia. I wish there were more choices with colors, rim's, and interior.
This channel is the Smoking Tire of SUVs. Absolute god-tier. It's exactly the kind of review of the vehicle that people want, AND it's a lesson in offroading. People want to think they already know how to offroad but the reality is if you go out and buy a Tacoma or 4Runner and put big mud tires on it and never get it stuck, you don't really know how to offroad. You haven't learned how to estimate what you can and can't get through. You haven't learned how to get out of different kinds of situations. You haven't learned how to do recoveries. You haven't learned how to use your vehicle's assist systems that can get you through stuff you wouldn't be able to get through by yourself. Offroading is getting stuck and learning how to get out of it.
I am looking at this and the Ford Expedition Timberline. I love the looks of the Toyota but there are some things that Toyota did that scream cost cutting that does not make sense at 80k. You should get your hands on a Ford Timberline and compare how it does in similar conditions on the same route. Thanks a lot. Love your style of videos.
and the Z71 tahoe
I disagree with your comments from Toyota about the Torsen center differential. If that’s the case, then why does the 300 series LC AND Lexus have it equipped with this drivetrain?? Toyota was just being cautious to not rob themselves of clients willing to buy more expensive vehicles.
I agree with you, the third row is really annoying, the small 22-gal fuel tank is disappointing too. I bought a 2023 4Runner AWD LTD with the 3rd row, just in case I need the extra seats, but the cargo space is much better.
As always, great review Ryan! I think the reason this will not sell well, is this Sequoia doesn’t really know what it is. If someone spends 80K+ on a vehicle, they are probably not too interested in mpg. Which, as you pointed out, is not that great. USB-A? Really? The hybrid causes too much compromise. Can’t take out rear seats. No options for different power trains. For off roading I prefer a narrow profile. Not huge mirrors. Lots of room in the back with good aggressive tires. Part time 4wd is ok. For towing, full time AWD, big mirrors, preferably lots of room in the back. Milder tires are fine. So what is this vehicle, really? Seems to me it is neither “fish nor fowl.”
Boring. Try to improve on this area
You have to get the Ford Expedition in for an episode. This show is great.
I agree with Ryan, third row was a big fail. Pretty much unanimous feedback on that. I really wonder why they couldn’t put the batteries under the second row or hey even the first row like on the sienna. Based on the fact that this is now an overly complex vehicle, I suspect they will not win any market share from Tahoe and similar vehicles. Was a fan of the previous generations of Toyotas… More simple in nature. Not so much anymore. hopefully time will prove me wrong. I know it was for emissions requirements, but one can still reminisce.
A good winter tires are more important than all-wheel-drive system. I would argue as somebody who is coming from a family of mechanics. You just need to put good blizak tires on and as long as you have a good clearance, you will go through anything. I live in Alaska and I see big SUVs stuck in snow all the time, and I have a fairly small vehicle and I was never stuck in my life.
I love those snow videos where you go alone! Nothing but a man and his truck !
🇺🇸 I appreciate you and the crew. Best off-road reviewer. I wish the Sequoia had 3 more ft of cargo.
I thought this had crawl control? Was that not used in the steep part? Kind of the main party trick for the vehicle.
This “new” Sequoia surely makes the Nissan Armada look like the best option from the Japanese. More cargo and better rear seats.
V8 as well, the 5.6 is an awesome sounding engine
It's French owned now
Before you started the engine, I was staring at the infotainment screen and thinking, "Good grief! Is this the Sequoia IMAX Edition?" But then the instrument panel came on, and the iForceMAX logo popped up, and I thought, "Close enough!"
Agreed! The 3rd row being mandatory is a deal breaker. I DO NOT want a 3rd row. Disappointed about the lesser tires too, especially for that much money.
The wildpeaks on my Tundra are absolutely horrible! I had 2 flats before I got 800 miles from 2 different drives down gravel roads. Falken refused to help me out. I figured they would use my tires to look at so they could improve upon them.
This is a Christmas gift to us, Sequoia fans.
Great review. IMO you're the most trustworthy reviewer I've seen for your honest comments on cons as well as pros of a vehicle.
At that price point I think Toyota could at least use the real Falken A/T 3W's and not the nerfed, inferior versions just to save cost.
Probably for fuel economy, they are likely more expensive than regular ones due to new molds for a low production tire.
Great video Ryan. Two questions:
1) Did you attempt to use crawl control at any point? Would have loved to see it in that final section.
2) Any chance you can do a similar review in the Ford Expedition Timberline? That and the AT4 seem like the most direct competitors (130 Defender now as well I guess)
He should.
Merry Christmas for everyone 🎅
Thats insane over $80k for this. New Toyota prices are ridiculous
I have a '23 Tundra TRD Pro, there's a USB C in the center console if you lift the lid.
Great video. I agree with you on package and price. 3rd row seat eats valuable space and lack of AWD is also a show stopper for me. I had a RWD Sequoia and the traction control was constantly cutting rear wheel power when I needed it the most. Also why does Toyota go cheap with tires on off road/4WD Vehicles as so many Toyota lovers live in the snow belt. I have had 4 Toyotas and changed the tires ASAP. Can’t car camp in it either, bummer as it look cool.
Merry Christmas! Great review. The price tag is hefty considering you don’t have options for different powertrains and the non-removable third role is a deal breaker. Toyota fans, especially off-readers or overlanders want options to create space in the vehicle for gear. 100% agree with you there. Will admit love the look of the Sequoia, but would have to go with the new GX or an older LC used.
I think it's hard to compare the GX J150 platform to the LC 300 series platform.
plenty of third party options to tear out the back seat will be revealed soon
3rd rows (and seats, really) are aways removable unless they are welded in. You still have the battery bump, however.
That Toyota can take you home at ease in a snowing day.
This will be great for going to high school proms out in the mountains. It's an off-road version of a limousine with a price tag to match.
I don’t care about most of these vehicles. I’m just here for driving tips and the (relatable) adventures
I'm 100% with you on not wanting or needing a 3rd row. I still want all the cargo space I can get though. I still don't understand why all the body on frame SUVs are so expensive.
It’s a great vehicle, yes. But how did Toyota managed to come up with a three-row SUV that doesn’t offer more space for luggage? For 80k$? I mean, it seems like a great rig, but it doesn’t tick enough boxes for what a three-row should be. Meanwhile, it ticks boxes we didn’t even know or needed. So yeah, for this price point, I’d go with a GX460 without a flinch.
Sticking with my new trd pro 4 runner, it's got literally everything I could possibly need or want on the trails. Thank You for another great video once again man seriously I'm a huge fan and it's Thanks to your channel that I made my decision for my 2023 Toyota 4Runner TRD Pro. I personally would rather have it and not need it than need it not have it when I'm in the mountains here in beautiful East Tennessee. Thank You for your channel and have a blessed day everyone
Do NOT ever drive a GX 😉
@@arr0gant1 I actually own a 2006GX460 😁 have a blessed day
@@charlieknight5065 oh ya? Too bad the GX460's first year was in 2010. 😁. Bless yourself and tell me how it was a typo and you meant to say you have a 2006 GX470 🤣🤣😅😅😂😂🤣🤣
Ryan, It seems like a heck of a big effort just to pick up a free🎄In this case it surprises me that the tires are an issue as it looks like that paint color should melt its way through the snow.😉To be serious, I would be more than satisfied to save a few bucks with a TRD Off-Road in a calmer hue. In regard to the Hybrid battery, has anyone provided an explanation as to why the Tundra has its battery under the second row while the Sequoia's is under the third? As I understand it, neither second row slides. Merry Christmas!
well here's a thought: unlike the tundra, the sequoia comes in 3 rows of seating. also unlike the tundra, the sequoia can come with captains chairs, as an option on higher trims. No third row has ever had a middle seat delete function so therefore, the hybrid battery lives under the third row and the floor of the third row as well. hope this helps
Great video Ryan.
@28:18 guy has balls o' steel going back for it again and again
Great video. The tow mirrors crack me up on this rig. I would certainly enjoy to see an offroad comparison between a z71 tahoe and the sequoia.
and the expedition timberline
Nice rig, but I would not buy it if it was not big enough for me to sleep in the back. My 2005 Excursion had a removable 3rd row bench, and the middle bench folded down flat. It was awesome for car camping and fishing/hunting trips.
I judge a wagon for the same reason the fold down 3rd row takes up to much room
That odd placed USB A is for a compact USB memory stick to load your own music.
They were in the glovebox before which was a pita.
Lockers don’t bode well on snow the rear end will slide more often and it’s not good for tight tracks.
The intregrated dashcam works and has great connectivity if you do one thing, before you connect via wifi, turn off your mobile network (verizon..att..so on) and just have wifi as your connection and it works wonderful. Just heads up I located the info for that on day one.
Great review and kudos to the cameraman for braving the cold and getting those great shots!
I enjoy watching your videos, but one of my biggest issues is that most individuals aren't going to sit in the snow. The snow storm that hit Virginia in January this year put down over 20 inches of snow, and I had zero issues in my wife's honda passport on stock tires. Utilizing sand mode will deliver the most power without torque cut due to traction control.
Yup on the Wild Peak tires, Toyota got their own version, aka I'm sure cheaper.. have a TRD Rav 4 and when I got a flat and had to replace one I found that info out from Discount Tire! The don't stop well in the snow but anything else was ok... The regular Wild Peak to the public are supposedly better with a better tire pattern...Discount tire did get me the Toyota version same price.
Leave it to Toyota to take a well regarded tire and offer a worse version of it as standard equipment.
15 MPG around town! I get that in my 2003 4Runner V8 4 x 4!
When he said 15mpg I laughed...they got rid of the V8 in the Sequoia for another gas guzzling underpowered pile of crap engine instead....yep Toyota going downhill quicker than a sled. The Tahoe is a 100% more practical vehicle in the real world and you can get it with a 5.3L V8, a 6.2L V8, or the 3L Turbo Diesel....the Tahoe with the Z71 package and 6.2L V8 in 4WD configuration is about $5-6k less than that Sequoia...the Tahoe also gives you a 4WD auto mode for those who live in snow country that is a great feature to have.
How can a car guy not mention the BBS Forged wheels? Quite literally the best wheels available on the market with an incredible strength to weight ratio.
Not bad considering you were using the stock tires. 👍 That truck would never have any issues here in Ontario in normal winter driving conditions on road, where the majority of them will stay.
Half these TRD Pros we will see on the road here will be family men and women upsold by dealership salespeople and not Off-road enthusiasts.
That is one big bright Subaru Outback.
Epic footage, reminds me of your 200 series video I watch every few months 👍🏼 the solar octane pops in the snow
Great video! Would love to see you do the same trail in snow with Yukon AT4 or Tahoe Z71.
Great video but before you hit the snow you should have taken the tires down to about 20 psi and you would have had a much easier & safer drive. I've taken my 4Runner on trails it had no business being on with stock tires simply by airing down.
I’d love to see how much further a set of good chains would take you in some of these deep snow videos.
A lot of us in Washington carry a set in the back through the winter for snow and ice. It would be a realistic use case, and might help with vehicles without 3PMSF/winter tires.
"Had no luck" The Toyota Sequoia is better and has been better than the American full-size SUVs since the very first generation. And next time you're out, take note of how many ~2005 Sequoias are still driving around in good condition vs how many Expeditions and Tahoes. The Sequoia has been a very high quality, well-built, reliable, capable truck for decades, arguably best in class, particular for anybody who plans on keeping it longer than the warranty.
If you had made tire pressure lover and used crawl control, you could pass this hill
Don't let the Sequoia hit a sequoia.
Enjoyed the video. This is the type of video I like to see. I also agree it was a huge missed opportunity with the 3rd row. Maybe they will consider changing things up in the future.
Love videos from this guy ❤blessings !!!
I had the 08 Sequoia, but it didn’t last that long as it should’ve because I lived in a moist salty area and yeah it rusted out fast. I was actually gonna get the new Sequoia because I heard about it like in 2020 from a friend who worked at Toyota and when I heard it had a V6 twin turbo and I was like oh man if I upgraded the turbo and open it up a little bit then it’ll be super fast and powerful but when I found out about the 3rd row, I’m like yeah that’s useless.
The combination of slightly less fanzy equipment (slide-out door mirrors, electrically height-adjustable rear seats) and better packaging of batteries in the rear end as well as the ability to take out the 3rd rear row makes the car significantly more marketable to more customers. The combination of well-thought-out equipment and more flexibility provides higher utility and fewer opportunities for error.
I don’t really like pink cars but this vibrant pink like color looks like the BOMB!!! Does it look pink? The color reminds me of those Starburst smoothies flavors…..but whatever, it looks pretty cool to me and will definitely rock that color!!!
That much weight… those tires… color me impressed, actually!
The Expedition Timberline has my vote for the segment.
I love the look of the Toyota but there is “cost cutting” they did that I just have a hard time looking past. When everyone is giving it their all in competing why would you cut cost on such obvious stuff. Still on the fence, leaning to the timberline. I hope he films a timberline video in similar conditions
We are also still debating sequoia vs expedition. So would also love to see a video
thank you for your videos Ryan!
Great review.
TFL pointed out that the batteries living under the 2nd row meant that the seat bottom was not very high off the floor. While you showed that there was enough length from the front seat backs, your knees did seem a little high for a full size crossover. That is the packaging problem of the hybrid. Also, as a dad with three sons, I continue to dislike the proliferation of the captains chair as mandatory if you get a top 2 trim level. On the Sienna, in order to get a bench seat in the 2nd row, I can't have all wheel drive.
So many complaining about the 3rd row seat. No a big deal. The Toyota will be around much longer than the GM. I went to GM blew my lifters and came right back to toyota. I'll put my truck in 4wd when I need to. Great review.
Great review. I'm sure this is going to be another bulletproof Toyota SUV. Not being able to remove or delete the third row is stupid. That said, for $80k they can stick it. I think I'm never going to be able to afford a new Toyota Tundra or Sequoia with where their prices have gone.
I would like to see a video of you taking a Jeep Grand Cherokee 4xe in the show like this.
Very nice looking $100k with markups 5 seater.
Would have liked to see you use the crawl control on that hill, do you think you would’ve made it?
3rd row does not have to be removable but it absolutely needs to fold flat with 2nd row. I use trucks to go for multi day camping trips and I use back as cargo storage when travel and bed at night. Should also have AC /DC plugs for fridges and power stations in trunk
Has he ever been on a snowy mountain trail? Nervy Nelly.
thank you again Ryan for a great review and real world test
what is the characteristic of all amateurs who try to make car shows? none of those amateurs managed to film the entire cockpit (we mean, from the back seat). no one. instead, they stick the camera within 1 cm of some detail. none of the amateurs managed to record the complete cockpit, the most important thing in the cabin, in good quality. amazing, really.
Is it worth the 15k+ over the GX?
Testing a real 4wd offroad vehicle in snow/ on winter roads, with SUMMER TIRES. Only in USA.....
This test would have been totally different with real dedicated winter tires.
Why didn't you use the Crawl Control System ?
Fantastic video...she's a beast but prices in general are to high. I have a 2011 tundra limited...debating on trading in towards the 24 hybrid taco. Can't wait for you guys to profile it . Thanks for what you do
Thanks for making me love offroading
Good luck finding any dealer to sell you a Sequioa for anything close to that price. I have seen them being sold for over 100k with this same config right now. It's just crazy trying to get one for a reasonable price.
Video starts at 14:28
My 98 4runner and 14 Tundra 1794 would eat that tiny snow and hill like nothing.
Assuming the MSRP doesn't increase drastically, this looks like it will make the 4runner look like the better deal. Almost the same usability minus the 3rd row and the towing, yet right now you can get one for $20k less than the Sequoia. Nuts.
A most excellently inspiring and edited review. I need this vehicle, my life will not be complete without this vehicle, I will be less of a man…without this vehicle. Ran this past the boss aka my Mrs…and…we’re purchasing a Sienna. 😮😢
Wet snow slope -> air down, 4LO and proceed SLOWLY. Wet snow needs time to compact. After that it aids traction a lot.
Love your reviews, I get to see what works and what doesn't in my home state.
You have a good tools here dont be so scare lol!
Amazing that Toyota does not put all wheel drive or automatic four wheel drive on this vehicle. It is really a compromised vehicle for the class. Can be had for discount.
It really seems like Toyota really phoned it in on that. Most of the people that are going to want to buy a vehicle in thi class, automatic or full-time 4WD will be important to them. Crazy that the last two generations had it, but on the new one they're like meh, let's save a couple bucks.
up to a $30,000 markup on the TRD PRO
This thing with a set of M/Ts would be amazing
Every time Ryan you stop on the steepest incline. 😭😭 4low should’ve always been there
Should’ve tried craw control at the end and see what it would have done…