5 Reasons You DON'T Need A 45 ACP
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.พ. 2024
- In this video, we will be going over 5 reasons why you don't need a 45ACP and 1.5 reasons why you do. Thanks for watching!
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As a .45 ACP carrier I have ONE factor that most overlook. I live in Massachusetts. There is something to be said about carrying a gun that both complies with the 10 round mag limit, and complies with it from the gun's inception, and that new magazines are readily available. If I am mandated to carry 10 rounds, I'd rather they be ten BIG rounds rather than 10 smaller rounds in a magazine that has been retrofitted to only hold 10.
Carry a 10mm, its the 45 but sped up.
@@MrPiimpslap Yup
Okay but 10 mm...?
Agreed I live in Ca. 10 round max on everything. .45 230gr HSTs are more effective than 9mm. 9mm is great for concealed carry but .45 hits harder
Then carry a 10mm Glock 29
Thank you, Ray Romano.
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Exactly
No, it is Robert Barone
@@roguemodel exactly.
No , he's Josh Turner !
The US military also buys from the lowest bidder. Adapting 9mm, standardizing with allies, was a cost decision more than a technical decision.
"Nato" rounds.
Logistics played a heavy role, as our allies had stockpiles of 9mm. Which the overabundance of the round due to axis manufacturing, is the reason NATO chose it to begin with.
"and verily I say unto you...AMEN!"
Yep just like adopting the p320 vs the G19X, despite the G19X being better in ever regard.(including having maritime springcups which the pp320's don't have)
Not always "lowest bidder". Meeting the described requirements is most important.
The military went with 9mm in order to have a common cartridge with our NATO partners. Some special operations groups still use it.
Yep, and was used in Korea and VN...
It's those dam Europeans fault, 9mm is just a magnum for a 380acp
Lord help us. @@Humpfery-ys7or 🤣
@@Humpfery-ys7or you eat gay men for breakfast?
The same countries that said the 12 gage was an inhumane weapon during ww1 then same country kills 6 million jews go figure they want you weak so they can beat you then control you
I can hear my great grandpa and great uncles arguing about whats better 45acp or 357 magnum on the back porch in NC right now.
In the great ammo shortage of 2025 you will be able to find .45, .357 Mag not so much.
Lol my primer, powder, and bullet stash cares not for your ammo shortages.
@@billycarr7446that's nothing wait until the Civil War of 2030 , now that's going to be a serious ammo shortage with 22lr all you can find
@@oscarbear7498 Take a .22 rifle, find a cinder block, shoot the cinder block with the .22 rifle, and be prepared to say "Wow, I didn't think a .22 could do that much damage."
@@someguy7993 Cinder blocks aren't made like they used to be, they will fall apart if you drop them 3-4 feet. .22 is a poor choice for anything other than plinking and small rodents. You want to see what .22LR actually does then shoot ballistics gel, it isn't impressive, any handgun cartridge .32 acp or larger will easily create larger permanent wound cavities.
A 9mm may fail to expand, but a .45 will never shrink
True True. But that 10mm though
I aint worried about that i run underwood extreme defender and g9 defense for that reason external hollowpoints go crazy
I take the 45Colt.
@@bobbarker5884 45 is the queen bee of school and 10 is her little freshman sister that had a boob growth spurt during summer break
@lucasschmitz4588 just saw your comment and I have both 9mm brands as well. Don't need anything else.
I agree with everything single thing you said but for some reason I still love 45 acp
You tubes full of suck ups.
Nothing wrong with that. I’m in the same boat with you.
The U S Army was using the 1911 into the 90s that I know for a fact, because i carried one.
It took a while to replace all of them.
Me too
so was the navy, and marine recon well into afghanistan
After the 94 quake in Los Angeles, I saw national guard officers carrying them. I asked why he still had a "45" and not a Berreta? He said " national guard armory is last to get upgrades"
The Marine Corp only switched to the "9" when ordered to from the high brass. And still had the "45" as a back up and in plenty of armories!!!!!
You missed a big pro. Living in a state where magazine capacity is restricted to 10 rounds, one would want to get the most bang for the buck in their carry weapon.
Uh huh. But 10mm though
@@bobbarker5884 Yeah but 50GI though
@@iffykidmn8170yeah but 50AE though
@@Messup7654 Yeah but I like my 1911's
@@Messup7654yeah but 350 Legend though
It started raining because Thor heard you badmouthing his hammer.
No, I'm pretty sure it was John Moses Browning himself. These were all good points BUT true sacrilege just the same!!!!
If it’s not rainin’ we ain’t training’, if it’s not snowing’ we ain’t goin’.😂
@@denniscastle936 Pretty sure its John Moses "Thor" Browning.
@@TheZotman5
Obviously I "did not" know that. Learn something every day, thanks bud.
The one thing our friend didn't mention was that extreme accuracy the .45 can achieve.
Never seen a 9mm used in the Bullseye matches I've shot at.
John Moses Browning did have a 9 mm out the Browning high power
When I was a kid, we had many veterans of WWII and Korea, and I talked to them often. They had real-world experience using the 45 ACP and swore by it because it was the only pistole to drop an adversary in one shot. I remember a conversation between 2 WWII veterans, one of which found a German 9mm Luger and used it in battle; he stated that he shot a German 6 times with the 9mm and still wound up in hand-to hand combat with him. He never used that 9mm again. Their logic, a big wallop from a slow bullet taring and punching its way through a human, causing massive damage, and that was with FMJ! They used it in actual battle against real humans, not ballistic jell or a statistics chart. I still like my 45 better.
Okay, but bullet technology has improved significantly (you shouldn't be using ball ammo as a defensive load) to a point that has closed the gap between 9mm and .45ACP. You can watch plenty of videos of actual humans being shot with both 9mm and .45. We're talking about handguns, which aren't particularly effective and require good shot placement with either caliber. The points made in this video were all absolutely valid.
So, if you're going to carry a .45ACP, go for it. In my opinion, I think you should base your decision on relevant information. Bullet design and powder charge have changed too dramatically in the last 80 years to be applied to todays ammunition. Again, though, carry whatever you want.
And just to get ahead of this, in the event you wanted to use it as a counter argument (simply judging by your original post), I do have experience shooting real humans, and being there as they were shot by other people who I was with. To be fair, the vast majority of them was with 5.56, but some were with 9mm. It doesn't really matter, as it's just anecdotal.
If you still decide to carry .45ACP (assuming you're using good defensive ammo), you'll still be fine. You'll just be starting with less ammo. Be safe, dude.
I appreciate your dissertation, but if you read what I said, it was stories told by old-timers who fought in Korea and WWII.
Additionally, just as 9mm has evolved over the years, the same holds true for 45. I appreciate your information. My preferred carry is 40, 45, and, more recently, 10mm. It all depends on the environment. @@bewbew0016
someone is lying about their service history
Ww2 9mm luger vs 2024 9mm luger is vastly different ww2 9mm is that of 380acp today
@@lucasschmitz4588 Well stated and more succinct than what I wrote.
Your hog silhouette example is exactly why and where the term "knockdown/stopping power" comes into play ;)
Yes, it is the flawed test the "proves" the myth.
Handguns don't have knockdown power.
@@jacobmccandles1767 Keep telling yourself that.. Silly 9mm fanboy
Consider the rain a warning.
Next time it'll be THUNDER and LIGHTING!
LOL...good one
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Yep, first it's Ooooo and ahhhhh... later it's screaming and running... Malcolm, and probably God.
AMEN!!!
Any firearm can be effective so long as you can hit what you aim at. I still prefer the .45. I love the sound, the feel, the hard hitting power of a properly expanding hollowpoint.
Years ago I watched a program that was put on by U.S. military vets talking the pros and cons of the 9mm and .45 acp. This was after the first Gulf War. Because of the rules of warfare concerning types of firearm ammunitions I observed a majority of cqb specialists complain that their 9mm was inadequate to useless in a cqb situation. They claimed that if their opponents managed to force a close quarters battle there were far too many instance where when a soldier was forced to rely on just their 9mm sidearm the weapon would/could not stop an adrenalized attacker. They'd just keep coming even after multiple hits, but the soldiers with .45 acp were not having as many issues with that. They were claiming that a .45 acp would smash their opponents back and actually stop the threat. So many soldiers were sending home for 1911's and other .45 acp sidearms and fmj ammo because the military wasn't issueing them in any quantity in the field any longer.
That was what made me choose the .45 acp. Especially since I am not restricted in what type of ammo I can use. I watched ballistics testing for several bullet types in both calibers. I made my final decision based on that. I'm keeping my .45 but I'm not dissing what others choose to carry. In the end it's whether or not the user can effectively put rounds on target and what they feel comfortable with using.
The US military is not allowed to use hollow points, only FMJ so that makes a difference.
Remember kids, if you join the Army in an infantry capacity, one of you first purchases should be a hand reamer.
I am old school and like my .45 but I did buy the dreaded polymer 9mm based solely on weight and concealability. My SIG C3 holds 7+1. If you can't stop a threat dead in 8 shots, I hope you have been working on your cardio.
@@billycarr7446 Rule #1 of Zombieland!!!
This is fudd lore and totally untrue
B.S.
"John Browning is smiling on me Imperial. Can you say the same?"
-Some dude in Skyrim
John Browning designed the Hi Power too.
Based and skyrim pilled 😎
The 1911 was origionaly chambered in 9mm...
@@ryanallen8392 wrong. Nice try
"What the fuck is a New vegas?" -hadvar
BUT ITS GOD'S CALIBER!
Amen!!!
It’s spelled gawd.
@@jaycee30865 Are you a Biden Voter?
Pretty sure Jesus is packing a 10mm these days.
@@blainclatworthy5423 There are some of us that will never vote for Biden who are Secular. I got no hate for any believer it's just not for me.
As far as I know, the FBI Hostage Rescue Team still use a Springfield 1911 in 45acp.
I'm pretty sure the US military is still using .45 because the marines have those .45 caliber pistols still.
We've reconverted back to 9mm for most SPECOPS, MEU, SRT missions with advancements in bullet tech, we still get good power compared to the .45 but get to carry more 9mm.
@@terrarecon I once read that Delta Force use 40 S&W
More power and capacity than 45 and still subsonic with 200 grain loadings; I love it.
@@Bobbylegs37 The 40 S&W 180gr loads are also subsonic.
@@Gieszkanne They initially switched from customized 1911s to Glock 22s in the mid-2000s, but I’d wager they’re probably on 17s and 19s now.
"I carry a 45 because they don't make a 46" is a very famous saying
45 not only kills the body it also kills the sooooole
Yep. Was gonna say same. ❤❤
Yea but it's not 1911 anymore and 10mm exists now.
@@johnquinn4680 And we all know.. Thats THE BEST MM!!! 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
7+1 = 45
When the US Army went to John Moses Browning and asked him to design a new caliber to replace .38, one of the requirements was for the round to stop a cow with 1 shot. 2 world wars and just about every campaign since is a great argument. Cow stopping power is what won me over though.
Ah the Thompson LeGarde tests, the requirement was that it have similar effect to the old 45 Colt. Cow was simply the living test medium, and the exploding round and hollow point tested technically won as it was determined on bleed out time.
Really gruesome tests but rather interesting.
@@presidentmerkinmuffley6769 so long as you don't focus on the inferior rounds that were tested before the .45acp. Laying your focus more on the victory BBQ after. The idea starts to become much more tasty.
@@tommykj2 Thats the thing, the tests showed them all inferior for what they were looking for other than the explosive one. .45 acp and .455 Webley were closest, but 455 is British and rimmed which just would not do.
Yes, they knew there was gonna be a BBQ, they did it at a stockyard where butchers would be. Just make sure you only cook the cows and not the cadavers.....
Well he did invent the Browning hi-power later
How now, brownings cow?
ALL CALIBERS MATTER!!!
Tell it, bro.
Liar! .357Sig and the 5.7 don't mean shit to people. 🤨
@@Modine. And .30 Super Carry.
@@Modine. Cries in .357 Sig.... at least we aren't .40 caliber....
That .22lr isn't going to stop that big buck wailing on you for talking about his mama
“Two World Wars!”
Plus Korea and Vietnam!
And not to mention, the Marines carried them up until the 2000s yes, the Marine Corps was still carrying 45 APCs up to the tooth early 2000s
I only need one reason ☝ , because I can 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
LoL 😂
Before the 9mm, Germany was undefeated. Since adopting the 9mm, Germany is 0-2.
It was invented to do one thing, win Wars and then he came out with the Browning hi-power
Let’s see, wasn’t the 45 acp adopted to defend against Moros where 38 special wouldn’t do the job. So what changed? The 45 acp issued hardball ammo. Now we have hollow point ammo. I learned to shoot with 38 special then 357 magnum. The recoil of the .357 was a lot more than I wanted. The 45 acp to me is easier for me to control and I’m pretty proficient with it. YOU carry what you want. I’LL carry what I want. Besides even if the Hollow point clogs and doesn’t expand at least I have the same 230 grain round as the original was designed for
True
It wasn't the .38 Special... that round came later... it was the .38 Long Colt.
It was designed to not only replace the .45 Colt (which had been brought back into service when the then new .38 Long Colt was proven insufficient in the Philippines.) But to also mimic the venerable .45 Long Colt performance.
The .45 Colt (later renamed Long colt) had already been reduced in power from its initial development and issue for the 1873 Army Single Action Colt, when the Army determined that the original loading of 40 grains of black powder pushing a 255gr lead bullet produced too much recoil for troops to handle. So the Army decided to reduce the power of the .45 Colt to mimic the power of the .45 Schofield, (which was also in Army service at the time) which used a shorter, less powerful .45 calibre cartridge.
So technically the .45 ACP is less powerful than the Original .45 Colt Load.
@@Beuwen_The_Dragon What comes to mind is the Taylor KO Factor. According to Taylor's math the 9mm NATO is around 7.2 KO. The .45 ACP ball round is 12.6. For comparison, 10mm is around 13 and .30-06 is around 22.
People say that their #1 criterion is capacity, so they choose the 9mm, but when you see them out they're carrying a G-43 with 7 rounds in it... Hell, my .45 ACP carry pistol holds 10.
Then there's the "ammunition technology improvements" argument, completely ignoring, of course, that the technology spans all calibers. The Federal 230 grain HST rounds in .45 routinely expand to .85" or larger, even from 3.3" barrels.
In my mind, 9mm is the minimum caliber for defense and only because of capacity. In the case of my wife, it's the maximum she can proficiently shoot well/quickly.
Everything is a compromise, we each choose ours. 9 out of 10 times, I walk out the door with a .45 because it's my emotional support caliber.
Also there are some good hp for 45 ACP that open up to 1 inch!
It's your channel, your opinion. You presented your perspective. I'll keep my 45 ACP all day, every day, thank you very much.
Damn straight
Yeah, you aren't poorly armed with it...but you could have MORE while carrying less.
That doesn't make you "poorly armed" though.
As far back as 1961, the Late Colonel Cooper, as much as he praised the .45 decried the government load 230 hardball. He chastised the Army brass for specifying the .45 ACP duplicate the ballistics of the .45 Schofield instead of the .45 Colt. Cooper himself taught that government hardball be limited to practice ammo. He specified what was then referred to as "Super X" Loads which today we call "+P". His initial loads were 200 GR lead SWC's loaded to 965 FPS later going to 230 GR truncated conical bullets once again loaded to 965 FPS. Basically, light .45 Super
They have +p+ 45acp/45 super that hitting 1300+ fps from under wood ammo... the key factor he missed here was kinetic energy transfer to target even with the volcity difference 45 has more kinetic energy at standard self defense distances.. on paper.
Col. Cooper? Why isn't he well known, because Col. Cooper's opinion was as valuable as Col. Sanders opinion on this subject. The ballistic of the 230 grain .45 acp kills the enemy just fine, just ask them...wait a minute, you can't. BECAUSE THEY ARE DEAD, just like Col. Sander's chicken...LOL!
You can load 230 grains to 1000 fps out of 5 inch barrel and still be in +P territory, and I've seen (but not tested) load data that claims faster than that.
At 1100fps you are just getting to super territory and i consider that light super. I believe it's for liability reasons that the few commercially available loads are just at 1100fps and not getting more into the full potential.
Standard sidearm when I was in the military, I loved it 45acp any day
Great content! For the purposes of home defense and carry, I use 45jhp, because I don’t want penetration, I want the threat to get knocked down and the projectile to stay in the threat.
All pistols over penetrate drywall. 45 grain 5.56 penetrates the least if that's what you're worried about.
Over penetration is mostly a myth. Auto cartridges are pathetic and weak. They are almost incapable of carrying any real energy through a single target
Lol.."knockdown power"..that myth needs to go away.
@@logangodofcandy Look up drywall penetration tests. Pistol rounds are so slow and heavy that they just keep plowing through, still carrying deadly energy to anything you don't want to hit.
That’s why all our special forces carry the .45! Oh, wait, they don’t? Yup, there is a better than average chance that technology, competition and testing of cartridges has changed in the last 115 years.
They tested 45acp on cows. And I live in a state that has more cows then humans. I know who the real enemy is and what I'm carrying.
Oh, so you know my ex and how big and dangerous she is. Happy Hunting SIr! LOL!
@@luasmartinez1262you’re disgusting
😂 actually wasn't that 45 Colt? I know the 45 Colt requirement was to kill enemy mounts (horses).
I think it’s funny how people think that they can dodge a projectile because it’s “only going 830 fps.” 😂
Love my 45 and trust it. No hate on 9 or any other caliber, carry what you know and trust. Good comedy video, thanks.
.45 because:
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You can contol tecoil if you train with it a lot.
And ironically, due to me shooting the 1911 longer and far more rounds, my shooting with the nine is faster and my reloads are far quicker.
I have steel frame 45s that soak a good bit of that energy so my followups are pretty quick.
Its fun to shoot and its a classic and great looking gun.
As farcas carry though, its a boat anchor, however when carrying a micro or sub compact you run into the exact same mag limitations.
Oh well good vid as always. But plastic frames is not what it was intended for.
You can control recoil if you train a lot with anything, doesn't really say much to point this out. At the end of the day it's still a bullet, nothing wrong with preferring it, but it is extremely important to know the limitations, especially if you carry because it can decide the outcome of a situation that can cost your life.
All this video wanted to tell you is not to discount other calibers, especially when considering the fact that 9mm can be better for JHP in many loads because you get better results when the bullet is actually moving fast enough to spread the round. Some tests I've seen 9mm performed significantly better with JHP for this reason.
@@alwaysamongdragons7354 "They all fall to round ball"
Not to mention the .45 is The Lord's caliber, GOBBLESS
My Sig 365x has 13 rounds. 17 round backup mag. Does not have the same mag limitations.
@jacksonnra1856
Ok you need to learn how to read.
@alwaysamongdragons7354
They switched yo 9mm because less recoil and training times were reduced plus women had a harder time controlling recoil Mr. Pedantic.😅
I have been a fan of .45acp for a long time. Recoil is not much of an issue for me. 6'3", 300lbs. I'll admit I did buy a 9mm to carry as a backup, but I haven't had it long enough or trained with it enough to be my main sidearm. But it's small and light. Although, I do have an S.A. XD-S in .45acp, that works for now...
Carry what you want, the streets don't care about popularity or capacity. It's self defense, what can you use to defend yourself/family with? What can't you shoot proficiently and accurately?
I’m so glad I found this channel.
9 for EDC but I also keep a 45 backup too, mostly because it’s fun.
There's a reason the lighter smaller calibers are so commonly carried. HOWEVER, there is also a reason .45ACPs & 12ga shottys are so commonly used as home defense vs their "smaller faster and lighter" counterparts. It's because when it comes to sheer stopping power (that includes both size of hole left & cavitation of flesh) you cannot beat the big boys. The 9mm is far too fast as are .223 or 5.56 resulting in the target being shot and NOT KNOWING IT (pass throughs). How do I know this? I've personally witnessed guys take a few 9mm and keep coming! I've never seen someone eat some .45acp and keep walking.
The reason the military went to lighter rounds was precisely to allow for more ammo carried, NOT for round effectiveness. As awesome as the .223/5.56 is neither will do the damage of a 30-06 or .308.
I'm not crapping on 9s either. My daily carry is a double stack 9mm. Just like the video shows, you can carry a far smaller piece with 2-3x the ammo. But when it comes to my home.... the big dogs will be barking, not the smaller daily puppies.
Mr. Banana doesn't know about how GSG9 went to the .45acp after the fiasco of filling hostage takers with 9mm and either the hostage takes survived or lived long enough to kill hostages.
Sorry to doubt but in what context did you see someone "eat" 9mm?
I think they(military) went with the 9mm round over the 45acp because it was available in Nato countries and the 45 wasn't readily available
Your content is fantastic. I'm right handed and left eye dominant. I had no problem with shooting a rifle lefty, but i couldn't switch up with pistols. The 1911 trigger sold me, the cartridge just happened to be along for the ride.
There are plenty of 1911s in 9mm if you want to look at that.
There are 1911 style small framed guns in 9mm and even .380 if that interests you.
For me, my edc is one of those 1911 style 9mm, but the gun by my bed is a full sized 1911 in .45.
@@Ryarios You're right on target. Back when I was buying used and trading up to new for the two 1911s I've got, the 9mm 1911 was rarer and generally more expensive. As I close in on retirement, your suggestion is close to the top of my list of guns to get before "fixed" income. Take care out there.
There is another factor that the 45 auto has an advantage over the 10mm and 9mm and that is for people who hand load ammunition . The different types of gunpowder that can be used in the 45 auto are impressive, both handgun and shotgun powder can be used and the fact that one can use unjacketed lead with the 45 auto is a big plus, It is inexpensive and very effective. Also because of the lower pressures the cases tend to last longer. Sometime you might try a test with a 45 lead 200gr semi wadcutter load in ballistic gelatin. I think you will be very surprised with its performance .( I know not to use handloaded ammunition in selfdefence firearm at this time )
Yeah it can be pretty versatile, but its not like you didn't pay for the brass to last longer :D
came here to say this.
Need to worry about the 9mm not expanding..........45 will not shrink.
Its also slow as hell and makes next to zero hydrostatic shock. .45 is a turd unless you're looking to surpress
I tell my girlfriend that all the time about me and little me.
@user-qo3yy9nv1u Most modern .45s allow for plus P. Hell, some like the USP, HK45, and Mk 23 can shoot .45 super out of the box.
@@beefestrogen5276 You tell 'em sir.
The 45 acp was a fumbling sidekick to the 30-06. A near subsonic pistol being the hero of a war while we had the 1903, 1917, BAR, and the browning m1 and m2 .
Facts. On top of that it was the artillery doing most of the killing.
Suspect the reason 45 was favoured in the US is 45 pistols were readily available and 9mm not, therefore they practiced with 45s and hits count!
@@josephahner3031 bombers really
The 45acp was developed for close quarters military action. It was designed to impart a knockdown to your adversary. The lower velocity and large projectile ensured that the bullet would stop in the body with a solid torso hit thereby imparting all the rounds energy to the target (one shot stop). Bullets that pass through the body regardless of muzzle energy do not impart all that energy to the target. Winners of 9mm gun battles are often decided by who quit breathing first. You may get more rounds in a 9mm mag but you will need them. The 10mm is a valid caliber with good performance. If carrying for bear the 10mm with underwood ammo is a good choice. For personal defense I carry 45acp. I have a couple modern pocket 9mms that I put in my pocket at gas stations and convenience stores. I carry a 44mag in the forest where I live for bear defense. I would be very slow to dismiss a battle proven cartridge designed by a true genius John Moses Browning!
You didn’t mention it was designed for stopping power…one shot stop!
Dig your show. But there's a reason the military adopted the .45 cal. It originally replaced the .38, cuz the .45 was better at putting down machete wielding fanatics who were often on drugs in The Philippines.
Be easy on Mr. Banana, he is just a civilian with a TH-cam channel. He doesn't know war, the weapons of war, or the wounds those weapons cause. He is talking about civilian applications. Remember, "Theory is no substitute for real world experience."
When the US army was fighting in the Philippines they were using the .38 long colt that was producing 202ft-lbs of energy.
I EDC a Rock Island 1911 45ACP. OWB. Absolutely Love This Firearm. It’s amazing how polite people are in public when they see a firearm. Not try to show off. I live in TEXAS where it’s legal to open carry. I’ve been carrying for 50+ years. Pants on gun on pants off gun off. I carry an extra mag so I have 16+ 1. I go to the range at least 2-3 times a week. I practice with a full size all steel 22LR. Shot placement is key. When I do practice with my 1911 there is no difference in my shot placement. It’s just less expensive ammo. Muscle memory and Shot Placement is key. If you carry more rounds than that you’ll usually waste more rounds than that. I’ve never had to use my firearm in a deadly situation and I hope I never do. Practice Builds Confidence And Accuracy. Remember Your ABC’s. ALWAYS BE CARRYING
Personally, I think open carry is a rather bad idea in most places other than the range or maybe out on the trail where there are few folks around. But then again, since you say you've been carrying for 50+ years, you are certainly significantly older than I am--you've been carrying for 13 more years than I've been on this planet! So it could be that people seeing you in civvy clothes with a 1911 on your hip wouldn't react the same way that they'd react if they saw me open-carrying my Glock 19 Gen 5 MOS.
To me, open carry in populated areas just seems like showing your whole hand, and making it clear to any would-be bad guys exactly whom they should attack or assail first. Moreover, I'm quite leery about the prospect of open carry inviting some crazy bastard to attempt to grab my weapon out of the holster, as that is something I have *not* trained to defend against. Whilst a good level 2 or 3 retention holster will greatly frustrate such an attack, the possibility of it happening is simply something that I don't want to deal with. Hence I prefer concealed to open carry.
That said, I agree with you 100% on the need for frequent practice. I personally prefer 9x19mm because I'm not rich, and I like to be able to train with the same caliber (if not the same exact loads) I rely on for personal protection and home defense. I like 5.56/.223, .22 LR, and .22 Magnum all for that same reason--they're cheap, reasonably effective cartridges, although I wouldn't use .22 LR for self-defense unless I had no choice. Same goes for .22 WMR which I feel is *very* reasonably priced for what it offers (unlike 5.7x28mm which should be no more than $0.30 per round given its performance.)
its always stated the military dumped the 1911 in 1985, but i still carried one when i got out in '95.
A 9mm hollow point may or may not expand, but a .45ACP will NEVER shrink!
I carry a .45 and a 9mm. so.. not worried
Really enjoy the humor you bring to these vids.
Depends on the state, mag restrictions, cost and use.
1) Restrictions. In CA for example you cant currently purchase mags that carry more than 10 rds.
2) If used for carry or home defense you prefer a round that doesnt over penetrate but can still deliver A LOT of punch. 45 acp has a reputation for hitting hard.
3) Availability. Nuff said. 10mm ive seen out of stock way more than 9mm and 45acp and doesnt always exist in bulk at my local gun stores and big box stores.
4) Cost. 45acp costs around 45c-50c per round for target rounds. 10mm is around 60c-75c per round. 9mm is 25c a round.
5) The view on the second amendment by local officials. The story of Harold Fish should be a good example. The prosecutor basically played up the fact that he had/used a much more powerful 10mm versus 9mm.
6) Lastly use what you have or is available to you and you can train with.
I highly recommend people watch Paul Harrell's videos Personal Protection: 10mm vs .45 ACP and Paul's Top 5 Tips for Surviving a Self Defense Shooting. There is a ton of wisdom there.
With those first 3 reasons alone i prefer 45acp for home defense. 45acp fmj doesnt penetrate a whole lot and with hollow points you can expect very little over penetration. For carry im not 100% sure though i would be ok carrying either 45acp or 9mm.
I hope this channel keeps growing it’s fun to watch.
It works. Even without fancy projectiles.
Bingo! And that my friend is why people still use it, it simply works.
What's wrong with making something better we strive for innovation, not mediocrity
@@christophermarkee5445There's nothing wrong with making things better. Innovation is generally a good thing. My comment was simply to state that it (45acp) is good as it is (big and slow, relatively speaking), not that it can't be, or shouldn't be, improved upon.
AMEN!
Nicely done!
Good video. All valid reasons. You did mention, briefly, the reasons I carry a 9mm. My concerns are size and overpenetration. Size is very difficult to work around. For concealed carry, a 9mm just works better, for obvious reasons. To prevent overpenetration, I just carry hollow points with lower grain powder.
First they told me I don't need a .45, then they told me I don't need an AR, then they told me I don't need 30 rounds.
Why are we telling people what they don't need?
Calm down Margret nobody is telling you what you can or can’t have. Shooting .45 ACP for any reason other than “because I want to shoot .45 ACP” is just nonsense. I shoot it all the time but I don’t try to defend it with non factual nonsense.
@@kevinallies1014 Thanks for your factual nonsense.
I bought an FN 545 T for the sole purpose of suppressing it for fun and not defensive shooting. Don’t plan on buying a 10mm (although my cousin bought an XDM10 the day I bought my 45) or any other pistol calibers for that matter. I carry 9mm so the debate between the two is pointless to me as each has a completely different use case.
You have an outstanding channel, watch it all the time.
It’s like a comparison of a turbo 4 cylinder versus a big block V8. I love the thump of a big block V8 versus the winey 4 popper.
"Velocity and expansion are variables! Mass and cross section are absolutes" Col Cooper
Jeff cooper is overrated
@@u45.- Mote like list modern squirt gunning is overrated. We have an 80% miss rate being called good shooting
Col. Cooper? His reputation is a valid as Col. Sanders on this subject. They didn't listen to him then and he was proved WRONG by the combat performance of the .45 acp.
*Goes to help to invent 10mm*
Love the channel (and have been a subscriber for a while) but, also love my 45ACP. Love my 9's also however, the 9mm is not the do all end all king that some folks make it out to be, either. Ironically, people bad mouth my ECD 40 cal also. But it works for me.
The 45 acp is a man stopper. In especially a military environment, it is far more effective since you are limited to FMJ rounds. Bigger round = bigger hole and much more energy being dumped into the soft fleshy target. It also is less likely to over penetrate.
Good video, coming from a 45 ACP fan.
Everybody's Grandpa rolling in their graves over their kids simping for Kraut rounds. 😂
A 9mm may expand, but a .45 will never shrink.
I've never seen a 9mm shrink either.
@@davidhoffman6980 Ife seen a ton of 9mm never expand. Hence why 9mm sucked as a FMJ round.
New subscriber - great vids. Thanks. Looking forward to seeing more of your vids and anyone ones! (Old geezer & lifelong hunter and target shooter.)
Good info, thanks
Tell me you can't handle recoil without telling me you can't handle recoil.
Yeah, those 45 guys are just too weak to go 10mm or 460...
@@davidh9659 yeah, didn't feel a big difference between 9mm and 45, but 40sw was hitting a little different.
Better yet, stop expecting a _lowest-common-denominator_ polymer pistol to handle ammo that was never designed for it....
Funniest thing is I handle the recoil in my 1911 better than my 9mm hellcat pro.
@@Gunscarsguitarsandbars yeah, totally unexpected that a 39oz gun might soak recoil better than a 21oz one. Must be magic
At the end of the day, it is what it is. However I do see where the .45 gets an advantage with a suppressor... But I would have to look into trying out various suppressors at the local gun shop to see what functions properly with the .45 ACP. Good video about it's downsides though.
Rugged Suppressors Obsidian 45.
Oh damn!! You are about to get some crazy comments. Great video.
🤣🤣🤣 Goodness... people get their feelings hurt quick. 😅😅😅
Too funny! Great video. I shoot way under the standard 230 grain.
Less recoil , less weight, ( not much , but less)
And it hits pretty hard!!
I remember one time I criticized/Question the 45ACP capabilities at my local gun range now I'm NO longer welcomed,removed from email list and had to find a different range to practice and spend money!!! All because i shoot a 357sig🤷🤷
Don't feel bad, my momma, 86 years young shoots a .357 revolver. We don't make fun of her because she won't shot a .45 acp.
.357 is a good round, its better than 9mm but its expensive and not easy to find in regular shops. Only a couple companies make it now. Most all gun makers stopped making pistols for it.
You were wrong to speak poorly of your fellow handgunners favorite!
@@ManOfChaiTeanot true.. 357 magnum is extremely popular and will be for the next 50 years. There is ammo available for it online.
Well now this is a interesting video and a very interesting caliber. Not only did the 45 ACP serve us well through two world wars. Also it served us well through Korea and Vietnam. The one reason that I like to 45 ACP cartridge is because it is just naturally a great host for my suppressor. Also I own 2 45 ACP carbines and they are great rifles. The 45 ACP cartridge has been around for over 100 years and sometimes short and fat will get the job done.
We didn’t win Vietnam or Korea, but let’s face it pistols didn’t win WW1 or WW2, that was ordnance and rifles.
45ACP has been produced for 119 years.
9x19mm has been produced for 122 years.
Awesome video.
The 1911 in .45 ACP was my first semi-auto love. I've had one since I was 20 years old, and I'm 55 now. I have several plus a Glock 21. I also have a .45 suppressor and use it on a HK USP Tactical. It's also my favorite cartridge to handload and cast bullets for. But for EDC, I've carried a 9mm for years. I actually carried a .45 for a year, but due to ammo cost I went back to 9mm. Plus I can reload a double stack 9mm a lot faster than the 1911 that I was carrying. I just couldn't part with my .45s though.
other things you missed is in California you can only have 10 round capacity so rather use 45. 45 is the same diameter as 9mm hollow point expanded. cartridge options with 45 are greater, can use 185gr 770fps SWC target rounds up to 255gr 1100fps cast rounds and tons of options in-between.
Greater? There's projectiles weighing 50-165gr and at least where I live, 9mm is a lot more prevalent.
Heck, just doing a quick search on the online shop where i usually get my ammo from gives me 97 entries for 9mm ammo, and only 58 for .45ACP and 56 for .40S&W.
Also, seeing how both BuffaloBore and Underwood can't make their lighter 230gr rounds reach 1000fps, chances are that 1100fps with a 255grainer is about as much in spec as a 1500fps 124gr 9mm load...
@@davidh9659 my 200g .45acp opens to 1.1 inches and hits at 578 ft lbs of energy, thats a factory load. You know what a 9mm or 40 isnt doing? That. .40 can get close in energy but will not expand that much.
@@ManOfChaiTeaI was talking about load variety being greater.
Also, the 40 will at least duplicate the sectional density of a 9mm at comparable velocities, I can't see the 45 do that.
Also, that 200gr load of yours is going as fast as the buffalo bore 185gr+P, so its far from your typical 45 load.
Similarly, 124gr HST+P is doing around 1300fps from my 5" PPQ, that is not exactly a slouch either at 80% ish of the kinetic energy.
And about size: No conventional bullet design in .357 and .44Mag will open up to 1.1 inches either.
40 is the correct answer vs human sized questions
Best of both worlds. More power than 9mm and 45 ACP and almost the capacity of 9mm.
@@Gieszkanne correct
There's a hardcast ammo test on TH-cam the 40 actually penetrates deeper in this guy's test than the 10mm because the 10 flattens out way sooner causing less penetration, so yea in all things accounting for id choose a 40 for most situations.
@@Gieszkanne not more energy than the .45. The best .40 ammo is 10lbs less more energy than the best .45 ammo and the .45 opens to 1.1 inches, the .40 does not.
40 S&W...The answer to a question that never needed to be asked...
The unconfirmed by the Japanese Navy, a 45 was used to shoot down a freaking plane.
Very interesting sir. Nice vid, something to think about
A lot of people, like the FBI, say that bigger calibers are no longer necessary. Advancements in ammo design in the last 5, 10, 15, 20 years (pick one) have made the 9mm so effective you don't need anything bigger than that. But all the advanced bullet designs, etc. that were applied to the .35 caliber (9mm) bullet were also applied to the 11.5mm (.45) bullet, making it even more effective than it ever was. All else being equal, a 230 grain bullet will have twice the energy of a 115 grain bullet, and the only way to make up for the lack of energy is to make it go faster or switch to a heavier bullet. When you go subsonic with a 9mm, even with weird bullet weights like 150 and 165 grains, you still have nowhere near the energy of the 230 grain .45. A 225 grain bullet at the same velocity as a 150 grain bullet will have exactly 50% more mass and 50% more energy. It's worse for the 147 vs 230 grain bullets people are more likely to use. The .45 has just over 56% more mass and energy than the 9mm at the same velocity. There's no replacement for displacement. If you want a big heavy bullet, get a .45. If you want a faster bullet, you can get a lighter.45 JHP or solid copper bullet. But you can't shoot big heavy bullets from a 9mm. If someone is happy with little bullets at higher velocities, I won't hold it against them. I just haven't found a reason yet to get anything smaller than a .45 in a gun that's bigger than my Ruger LCP. And I don't want to shoot 9mm out of a .380 size pistol. That's out of the question.
The worst recoiling handgun I've ever used is a Kel Tec 9mm. At the time I bought it they said it was the smallest 9mm produced. I had to download ammo to make it so it wasn't so unpleasant to fire. I'm a .357 guy so recoil is something I commonly deal with but that thing is hard to hang onto.
@@russellkeeling4387 It would be interesting to see that in slow motion, and to know what the slide velocity is. I wonder if that contributes to the recoil, or if it's all about the energy, weight, and the way the gun fit in your hand. I also think it's very interesting that the 9mm vs. .45 conversation has been going on so long. You don't need a 119 year old .45 ACP. A 122 year old 9×19 Parabellum is good enough, or even better. It's the battle of the ancients. I used to have a Dam Wesson .357 Magnum and I still miss it. Now, all I can do for .357 Magnum is use Magnum ammo in my .357 Maximum T/C Contender.
when you need a threat down asap, i think the choice is clear for this scenario
Best radio voice on TH-cam.
I carry 45 and 9mm ,45 is my favorite in 180 grain,also I make ammo for a living and all my coworkers really like all 3 cartridges you mentioned.to each his own .
It's actually .45 auto....the acp denotes...automatic colt pistol describing the pistol that shoots it ( or original pistol that shot it )
Unfortunately I live in a 10rnd mag state, so if I can only carry 10, might as well be 45
Why not 10mm?
The rain at the end for gods caliber 😂
Nostalgia and confidence. Have a use both.
I've been in multiple shootings involving the 9mm. I saw what it can and can't do in my own personal experience. I carry a 45acp with +p JHP bullets now and have for quite some time. To each their own
Love it 😂 Can you review and compare the sig 357? Why isn’t more popular? 🍻
It's expensive, rare, and factories load it down, just like 40 and 10mm because you people can't handle any recoil.
Ever try reloading .357 Sig?
Just a point I’d like to make that I didn’t see in your video about power. The .45 ACP has a much larger case capacity than the 9mm and some loadings of the cartridge can be found (although rather pricey) outputting 450 to even 500ft lbs of energy, a good example of this would be the underwood 230gr XTP loads, which are going over 1000fps. Not quite 10mm level but getting somewhat close.
Another point I think that’s worth mentioning is the Taylor Knockdown Theory, which the .45 ACP compares favorably to 9mm, 10mm, .357 Mag, and other smaller cartridges below the .44 Mag. This factors in frontal surface area, energy, and velocity.
Great video!
But the problem with 9mm is that it's a shit caliber for self defense. You'll definitely need all the capacity you can get with crap power
45ACP is far superior.
Not only is typical bullet mass doubled (115/124gr vs 230gr), but it's important to remember that circular area is π x r^2, and the circular area as well as the mass of a 45 ACP is nearly DOUBLE that of a 9mm. This is important for a few reasons:
1) There is a topic known as "pressure wave ballistics" that studies the effects of watery-tissue displacement (temporary wound cavity). Some time ago (I wish I could find it again) I came across what seemed like a graduate thesis on the topic, and the experiment described placing pressure transducers inside of ballistic gel dummies, then shooting center-mass with various calibers and measurements recorded. Above a certain point, the "temporary" cavity / shockwave supplies enough of a slap that measurements at the jaw recorded similar values to a boxer's punch. This means that with a sufficiently large round, an actual knockout blow is theoretically possible. A big object makes a bigger splash than a smaller one simply due to its displacement.
2) A more solid reason: In vertebrate animals, incapacitation occurs when BP is rapidly dropped and/or lungs are incapable of supplying oxygen. A big hole all the way through a target results in greater bleed rate, and equalizing pressure across the interstitial region with a sufficiently-large through-shot increases the likelihood of collapsing lungs - which is why hunting ammunition is made to go all the way through a target AND expand while doing so (modern handgun HP ammo and FBI penetration limits largely exist for over-penetration liability fears, not maximizing damage). Bigger holes stop things quicker - simple as. At sub-magnum pistol velocities, that means bullet dimensions and inertia are of greater importance than mere energy-ft-lbs (to a point).
3) There are a plethora of anecdotes from actual veterans and hunters about the efficacy of big, heavy, .45 bullets. Gel and gongs are nice, but biology is more complicated. If people who have actually done killing - as food or in defense - claim that the .45 works better, I'm going to weigh that experience more heavily than someone merely measuring the swing of a gong target.
I'll carry and use other calibers when the situation warrants it - but civilian use is not jungle warfare, volume of fire is best for military squads being supplied with tax money, panic/excessive shooting can get a person in a LOT legal trouble, and semi-autos can be reloaded extremely quickly - so I'll keep my big bullets for most applications TYVM. People who turn their noses up at .45acp are fools.
Math for idiots. 45 hits as hard as a 5# plate dropped from one foot. Go to the gym, grab one of those flat round 5# plates that go on a bar, and drop it flat wise on your chest from a foot.
It's like a slap on the back from an old pal.
Smartest YT comment I’ve read this year
I've heard tale of one old safari guide that carried a 1911 and hard ball ammo. Claimed it would stop anything dangerous out there.
Amen!!!
You do realize that those theories build on how quickly tissue is displaced? There's more to it than just size. A 9mm typically is several hundred fps faster especially from those barrel lengths that the 45 usually comes in.
If it came down to size alone, a 45 would put you down with more authority than a 357 or 44mag lever action at point blank range. Or a 308Win. Neither of these is even remotely true.
I really enjoy your videos, you do a really great job demonstrating your points with real world shooting. I've thought the same thing about .45 ACP for a few years now since I started reloading for my father's Colt .45 in AutoRim (functionally ACP) and noticed the muzzle energy is actually just a tiny bit more than 9mm. Shooting the Colt .45 revolver is a pleasure though, and it's heavy enough out front that it seems to have about the same felt recoil as my Ruger P85 9mm. Note it's not 45 Colt...... it's .45 AutoRim. Unfortunately .45 AutoRim cannot be used on either .45 Colt (long) or .454 Casull due to it's very thick rim. .45 Colt was surprisingly tame as well and I have no desire to run it in my Casull, makes the Casull feel like a .22 cal.
I just picked up a 5" barreled 1911 for my EDC and this gets recommended lol.
(I know it's antiquated, but it's one of the few pistols that feel good in my big hands, and it kinda feels like a flex being a big dude that can conceal a full size without printing) 😂
Plenty of 9mm fanboys love to hate the .45 ACP. Though you can see for yourself why your 1911 has great potential to be a formidable sidearm. One great video you can find on this video platform was made by *tnoutdoors9* where he tested the .45 ACP Federal HST 230gr in ballistic gelatin. It was the only bullet of any caliber from his tests that he described as a tarantula.
I grew up as a 1911 kid
So I carry a G34 lol
@@TerranPlanetaryDefenseForce I'm more accurate with .45 glocks than 9mm for some reason. I now have the .22lr Glock because its a laser that causes a nasty wound channel
@@off6848 possibly due to the slow roll recoil impulse, compared to snappier high pressure recoils of 9mm
@@TerranPlanetaryDefenseForce yeah the impulse is more straight back than lateral
The main reason the U S ditched the .45 was to comply with NATO ammo compatibility guidelines.
I like both cartridges, but the problem with using muzzle energy is the basic formula itself. KE = 1/2 of MV 2. It heavily favors muzzle velocity, so a bullet moving faster has a bigger advantage. If one was to use the Taylor Knockout formula by John Pondro Taylor the 9mm has a KO score of 7 and the .45 goes to 14 both using Hornady Critical Duty loads. I am not saying muzzle energy or KO score is a perfect way to determine effectiveness, basically both are paper ballistics. What I do know is just about any handgun is underpowered for the task at hand, stopping the human predator animal. Shot placement is key. For me, I shoot 9mm better. Also, weight most 9mm today can be had in small light weight packages. But I am not about to throw out my .45's
Love these 3 rounds
The real reason you need a 45 acp is STOPPING POWER. The British invented the "Double Tap [shoot them twice]" when forced to switch to 9mm from their .455 revolvers.
Mozambique Drill
9mm has more muzzle energy and generally more “stopping power” than .455
They went from .455 Webley to a essentially a .38 SW, then they adopted a 9mm.
Playing devil's advocate here, if the 9mm is so great, how come it keeps trying to expand to at least imitate a .45?
Because it's lighter and cheaper, but it sucks.
@@logangodofcandyAgree.
I don't think that's a good argument. If it was, I could say that if .45 was so great, how come it keeps trying to expand to at least imitate .50 AE? Expansion is good from a diameter of hole perspective but IMO, the main benefit is the rapid bleeding of energy that it causes which reduces over penetration and you want that for any defensive round.
@@Nick--_Since you asked the question, I will try to answer it in a historical context. The original 45 Colt round of 1873 was purposely made large and heavy so it could penetrate deeply and leave a big wound cavity. Expansion was not considered necessary because it was already full size. A good argument could be made that this theory was incorrect, but another argument could made that men were of smaller stature in the 19th century and medical care was marginal at best.
Whatever the case, there were efforts in the late 19th century to create expanding bullets, both soft point and hollow point, but these were intended primarily for game rifles (some of which could be fired in certain handguns). One exception was the "Manstopper" 455 round developed by the British in 1898 to deal with ruffians, unruly natives, and enemy forces. This projectile was composed of soft lead with a large hollow cavity and weighed about 218 grains. The typical 45 Colt round weighed 255 grains and traveled 100 - 200 fps faster than the slow moving 455.
The relative effectiveness of each of these projectiles, along with other pistol calibers of the day, was gruesomely tested in the 1904 Thompson-LaGarde Tests. Aside from showing that no handgun round was a truly effective human or animal stopper, the tests did find the Webley to be softer shooting and the most effective at close range against human targets. By comparison, the Colt had greater range and theoretically could stop a horse under the right conditions (one of the criteria for cavalry use).
The Manstopper round might well have caught on but the recent introduction of smokeless powder created new problems for it. The higher pressures and velocities these powders generated necessitated the incorporation of metal jackets on lead projectiles which limited bullet expansion. About the same time as the Manstopper and Dum-Dum rifle rounds were introduced, humanitarian concerns were raised regarding their use in war. This resulted in the 1899 Hague Convention agreement to limit military small arms ammunition to full metal jacket rounds. Therefore the US Army soon traded in their old Colt SAA revolvers and newer 38 DA revolvers for newfangled 1911 pistols chambered to fires a full metal jacket .45 bullet. It was assumed the sheer size and mass of this round would be a more effective man-stopper than a similarly shaped 38 or 9mm bullet.
Hollow point handgun bullet development atrophied for many decades after this, while soft point bullet development continued for hunting rifles. Hollow point bullet molds did exist for lead handgun reloaders, but modern jacketed handgun ammunition did not appear commercially until the early 1970s thanks to Lee Jurras and J.D. Jones of Super Vel. Their heavily loaded and light-for-caliber pistol ammo was considered revolutionary at the time, so much so that their company soon faced major challenges from the big ammo makers who ensured Super Vel was unable to acquire the necessary ammunition components it needed to meet rising market demand, as well as undercutting their prices.
We are now two generations removed from a time when bullet diameter and mass were the only measure of performance, and expansion was mostly a pipe dream. I remain unconvinced that any hollow point design or the new Phillips head projectiles have proven themselves to be significantly superior to some of the older designs. This does not mean one should disregard them, but their use should be taken with the understanding that all practical defensive handgun rounds are inherently weak. Arguing over how deep it went and how much it expanded is akin to debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Any number of factors can come into play to defeat pistol rounds, and often do, so choose wisely.
You always have to watch out for the short fat slow one because they are always the most dangerous in any situation! Plus the loard obviously started raining on your parade whe you attempted to trash talk it. LOL😂
civil defense ammo ftw! you gotta love how light those rounds are so much that i use them in multiple calibers for edc. almost makes it a moot point with the weight and speed issues
So here comes a World War 2 ref. My grandfather told me about the 45 as seen by him in the Pacific War (Saipan, Iwo Jima). He was convinced of the round's knockdown power compared to other pistol rounds (such as the 38 super or 9mm), observing that it took the wind out of people even if they were only hit in the arm. He was a lifelong shooter who kept away from the military rounds when I knew him, and gravitated toward the 357 magnum.
Stories like these are just that, stories. Very much like fishing stories.
@@HWG-wm8ld No, Mr 9mm lover, they are real life.
@@HWG-wm8ld I trust stories from combat veterans more than a block of gelatin