Archers giving up the sport
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ส.ค. 2022
- A customer walks into my store wanting to sell her archery equipment. It is a full Olympic setup. I question the lady why she is wanting to sell her gear and why?
I discuss joining clubs - issues you may face and issues I have faced and options for you to still enjoy archery if you have a person at a club you don't like.
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That happens even in the states. I belong to a club for almost 40 years, I was so happy and proud when my 15 year old daughter said I would like to shoot archery with you. Being a proud dad I went out with her and got her the best compound bow at the time money could buy. I took her to my club and sat through all the safety classes and rules and conduct classes because she didn’t know anyone. We finally started shooting Monday night’s she was told that Mondays where full she would need to shoot Wednesday so we switched and started shooting for about six weeks and NOT one person in that club would even say hi to her or when she had a great round no one would say great job. I would hear them compliment each other but never her. Now mind you my daughter would shoot rifle’s and handgun shoots and the other ladies would always tell her great shooting or something. I couldn’t believe that guy archery shooters could be so hurt full to a kid. Needles to say I turned my membership card in and said I don’t want to belong to a club that treats people this way. Now we drive a 1 1/2 hours to shoot and have a great time and people are a hell of a lot nicer.
I'm glad your daughter didn't quit.
Tell your daughter that this random man on the internet said to never give up archery and never sell your first bow.
@@5jjt believe me I told her that unfortunately you had to see the bad side of people, that believe archery is a man’s sport. I also told her keep practicing with me because I have seen half of those people shoot and you can beat them. I said when they have a shoot again let’s go down and let them see what they turned away. Every time I see her pick up her bow it brings a smile to my face.
It's the same in the UK. You find that niche sports are attended by a certain type of individual. They look the same, talk the same and by and large act the same as each other. The biggest crime at least in their eyes, is that you turn up, youre an ' outsider ' and you can shoot much better than they can
@@capricornmagic63 very true.... I'm just waiting to get into my local club (yep its been around since 1AD it seems) my only fear is its full of such folk.... previous clubs have been good to-ok,,, I'm more annoyed at clubs not promoting & not making the sport more fun ie club, local, regional competitions... maybe this will change.
I had a guy at the local archery club - he was the top recurve shooter without probably knowing it. I said to him you are shooting really well. He said to me you know your the only person to mention it to me. He said your staff are the only people who enquire how Im going. I thought weird - dont you just ask? He brought in 6 bottles of wine.
I would say he was shooting every day and shooting really well. He is working a lot more now.
I would say you get more introverted people in archery, so alot of people are quiet and focused on themselves. But how good is it that you shoot with your daughter. I hope you both continue shooting I love seeing families shooting together spending time together.
i use archery for solitary zen time, my range is my backyard, when i want to reach out further, archery parks the go.
This is the reason I enjoy shooting alone!!!
My perspective on this is that archery is a sport that is difficult to practice at home, and so clubs are needed for access to targets, and for being able to shoot at least 20m. When I visited a local club to see if they were worth joining, their questions of me had nothing at all to do with my ability to shoot (I was the state champion 2 years running at that point). They wanted to know whether I was associated with a local business person, and they stated they only deal with a specific dealer of one brand of bow. When I told them who I purchased my archery gear through, their response was they prefer not to deal with people who purchase from that shop. I didn't end out joining their club. My point is, I would love to be able to shoot more often (I run two businesses so am extremely time poor) however access to local clubs is limited, and the attitude by some club owners is somewhat discriminatory at best. Is it any wonder people don't shoot more often? I would rather not shoot, than be associated with people who allow membership based on where you buy your archery gear.
Brilliant video Steve! A great perspective. We have to make sure that we are welcoming to all, relaxed, offer archers what they both want and need, and above all, make sure it is fun. That is how you sustain a passion. And thank you for your very lovely words about GSA. We hope we can sustain this positive, relaxed and welcoming culture for years to come! Thank you for all your great work mate for the archery community.
I think GSA is amazing. To think a few years ago Shirley walks into the shop with her ug boots and says I want to try archery. I sell her my daughters second hand bow, years on she and Norm are so amazing and do so much for archery and the club.
@@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale we are definitely blessed to have them both!😉
Steven, you don’t know me, we never met. But your video’s reach the modern world all over. I can relate to what you are talking about here personally. I used to be very involved in clubs, range safety officer and competitor in multiple disciplines in the firearm world. I stepped away. Rubbed a few too many or maybe just the wrong ones? While I left that behind somewhat, your videos and reviews have really helped me in this sport. I love friendly competition at 3D events and shoot a lot of open to the public events all over. I spent my very limited funds at the time on my first target bow a lightly used PSE Shootdown and it went from there. And even that, getting a Shootdown was partly because of you. You did such a great review of it I just had to have one. I knew I would like it without a question and I did. Definitely why I now have two Full Throttle bows. Here in Wisconsin people all over might chime in during a conversation with my 3D partner, did you see Steven Hann’s video? Or guys Like Dudley for example. You’re known all over in a positive way. And yeah people leave. But guys like you make this sport grow. Thanks for all you do.
Great insights 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼.
My goal: get great! I rather shoot at home. About 1.5h round trip for work, about 1.5h round trip to to range…can’t do this daily drive.
Solid advice, currently dealing with some club members that i don’t really like all that much.. so I’m just going to ignore them & focus my energy on all the other awesome ppl in our club. :)
I’m a compound bow guy but i got a love for it all. Those recurve setups are awesome. I’d love to try one but Hoyt keeps tempting me every year. Love my RX4 and RX7!
It didn't take long for me to find out there'll always be clubs with issues or that have a lot of drama surrounding them. My buddy who finally encouraged me to pick up a bow has been at the sport for almost 3 decades and he recommended a club that's 1 hour away from home in the evening traffic. He later told me he urged me to join that particular club because after almost 30 decades of archery he knows a lot of people at high state and national levels, with stakes in certain clubs, and unfortunately not all of them are about promoting the sport of archery but are in it in some way or another to get something for themselves, and they aren't beyond playing petty power games to give the people they like access to opportunities that would take others much more effort to achieve. He knows the owners of this particular club I go to and vouched for them and after 1 year I am very thankful. Everyone is about getting better at the sport and being welcoming and there's a good balance of men and women, boys and girls shooting there.
Same thing in my club! I live in Sweden! A World wide problem in any clubs if you are new, not just archery! But it is hard to take the sh''t! Thanks for a great channel!
Same here, you get complete initial beginners training, and then you are left to your own devices. Hardly a way to make sure they stay.
I'm over 50 and just started looking forward to get my first bow of many I'm kinda of a collector, when I do hobbies.
Got my first bow it is a White Feather Starling RIser I choose that because how comfortable grip was I tried all types from metal risers to traditional bows first didn't like the grip. I've joined the Archers of East Riding Club really friendly outdoor club.
I have moved from an area which had a very friendly archery club where the focus was having a fun time and encouraging new archers to an area with a club with great facilities and a strong focus on competition. While a bit of friendly competition is fine I much prefer my archery when the focus is on fun and helping new archers.
Nice video Steven, hopefully some of "those" club members see the video and consider their actions when interacting with people...
I think Nick the club coach is doing great. Adelaide is booming, Andy is doing a great job with the kids - the club is full in the mornings.
Iv been a aba and ifaa shooter for 20 years and have never had a issue with any of the members. But I have attempted to branch out to AA over the years because I like shooting dots and every time iv gone to a aa club iv been made feel like I'm a 2 headed freak. The people who do the sport are the biggest down fall. Iv shot internationally and always have a truly welcoming attitude from the clubs iv attended.
How can we expect archery to grow in Australia when people are giving up the sport who have it ingrained in them for so long.
I think sometimes it just takes time. It took time for me when I was in Canberra to fit in. It took time here for me to fit in. I employ 16 local archers. One goes to uni - a kid in his class does archery, knowing he works for me and has worked for me for 4 years he says I would never go in there. That kid has never met me, he has never been in the shop, he does not shoot anymore. But he had strong views on me and my staff and had never met any of us.
If he had shot with me and he had the intelligence to be nice to his fellow student then his life would be much easier. You have more impact been nice to people than been been rude.
But like I said most people are nice and even the ones with an attitude will probably be fine with time. I have been doing archery 40 years now and I dont think anyone has had a problem with me. But sometimes it takes time.
Being from southern California it simply amazes me that most of the clubs around here have the most welcoming core members. The stick and string guys will always rattle the wheel guys cages, but all in good jest. On Sunday, which is open to the public, our members will go out of their way to make you feel like one of us. Steven, come join us one day,
Nice video, and interesting topic. Traditionally I leave a club if I am moving somewhere else. But where I live now, I've lived for 21 years. And at first I was in the nearest club, because that was natural. Eventually I was also member of the "Board of Directors" (not sure of the correct English term). Just a side position. But anyways at some time some of us thought that we would help out with regards to a 3D competition the club wanted to host and we gathered info about the available 3D targets, their condition etc. But then we were told that we should not interfere. Around that time the club was also turning focus towards being an elite archery club etc., so a few other things was already a bit strange. But with above, my cup was full, so I left and joined the 2nd nearest club (appr. 18 km away the first was like 4-5 km away) - so still ok. I have been in the new club appr. 6 years. And yes, it really takes time to fit in, get some new friends etc. I decided that I would not involve myself in the management of the club, but if they need help with something practical, ok I can help and do help from time time. The last 2-3 years at the yearly meeting they have asked me to join, but I refused, because I don't feel like it. I don't know about next year, maybe. I just want to come to practice and - practice, socialize a little - and practice. But all in all, it's ok. I have from time to time thought about returning to the archery club in my city, because maybe it is no longer the same people, I had a "clash" with etc. But I don't know - maybe not. Maybe it would feel strange to return to an old club. Plus most of them shoot recurve, not many of them shoot 3D etc. So maybe I just stay where I am. I have been into archery for appr. 36 years. 🙂
very true...I've not experienced any issues within a club, however I am getting back into archery after a few years out due to family etc anyway now I've to wait for a space in any local club as yes there all full... I've already done my basic course back in 1993 & unfortunately I've no paperwork to prove such so it does mean I've to do it all again...
baring in mind I've a old Browning compound bow & I've just purchased a 21 Citation 40" currently happily practicing out to 20M in my garden & then further upgrading my sights & general equipment "I'm just itching like mad to extend my range shooting" my only concern is in some clubs (now gone) it was literally join, prove experience etc & then shoot at a target... there wasn't any form of club competition or promoting any local/regional & further competitions (my original club yes & happily I won gold... "Yay!" anyway ppl shouldn't be put off via other ppls attitudes enjoy the sport, meet good ppl & just have fun is my view (along with many others) ppl cause you issues, report it, leave them be & simply ignore what they try to do... my local clubs just need to promote archery & shooting as general more rather then treating it like your doing something wrong...
the lass selling her bow/equipment she should've taken your advice & just carry-on/move to a new club etc
Without a welcoming group of members willing to welcome and mentor new archers the cost of entry is crazy too. JOAD is an awesome program and by its very nature is encouraging to new archers. Adult archery exploration courses are a very good recruiting tool if you have people willing to support the newbies.
When I start coaching new archers I tell them that my goal is to get them so hooked on archery that they will never be able to afford drugs (and maybe even food and shelter.) ;)
I love my club. Perhaps not the best in teaching. But also no pressure. No bitching around. Yet so many different personalities. Great for socializing, for an awkward weirdo like me. 😅
Im so happy I dont have that problem here in our Club in the southwest of Germany. Everyone gets along well. And the President of the Club is fulltime in for the Club. Great guy. Im a member for 15 years now. Never had any regrets
Many reasons for this. Lack of grass roots infrastuctures in my case. i am an archery coach and 5 time national champion. Been a while since i shot. Would love to but lack of shooting facilities is an issue. We rely on schools and sports halls for indoor and at their mercy and only one night a week, when you miss due to family or work commitments it is another week before you might get the chance again. When I was in my period of winning titles I had a different local club facility 7 days a week to use, and my practicing paid off, but now it is down to one day due to clubs shutting down and insurance hikes or schools needing the halls for other things. In one place the slot was lost to give way to a knitting group...Storage of butts and equipment is a huge issue as these places are all for letting archery be done until we ask for some storage. Archery is not a priority sport in most countries and they would rather plow money into Athletics and fail than put money into archery and succeed. I have seen Olympic standard and world ranked recurve archers leaving the sport due to the lack of support, funding and facilities.
introvert myself, I sit on my own, thinking about trying new setups each Saturday only.
This has taken months to do, Olympic recurve bow
The people in the club are nasty, put others down (not me ) Don't obey the club rules, ie the rules don't apply to them, some turn up when all the targets are out.
It's a shame people only think of themselves, there's days . ?
Iam the second one there, each Saturday
Same thing happened to me. The cold shoulder from the beginning.
It’s a shame a lot of clubs are like that.
I’m a relative newbie, primarily doing 3d rounds and barebow, and I’m part of 2 clubs, the more established club definitely has its clicks within it.
But I go with a mate and we just go there to hang out.
The other club is barely a year old so the facilities and course aren’t as good, but the people are much friendlier.
Don’t get me wrong both clubs are great and the people are friendly enough. Especially as an outsider who’s only attended a few comps.
I’ve been away from the bow for a couple months now as I’ve had other responsibilities that have taken priority but now I’m out of that rushed phase I hope to start attending events again in the next couple weeks.
I used to shoot 3D tournaments quite a bit about 25 years ago. I did fairly well in the traditional class. Even then, there were folks who looked down on traditional bow shooters claiming they just wounded animals etc. Going into a pro shop was always dicey as once again, owners and patrons would belittle your choices. (One shop ordered me some Zwicky Eskimo broadheads and charged me an arm and a leg for them, but nothing like them was for sale in the shop). I mentioned I liked a heavy arrow and was immediately chastised for making a foolish choice by a local "expert". It's fine to have an opinion but being narrow minded and somewhat ignorant of the history of archery does not bode well for a pro shop.
Wounded animals most likely possible, if your not in a blind or tree sadly.
Wow, exactly same type issues and experience when first doing my beginners course and joining the club here in NZ. So much politics with a core group who wanted to exert control over everyone. Interesting too you talk about people on the waiting list to for a beginners course, we've always had a backlog of about 100 for the past 2 years. But problem is you can't take on too many due to physical range space and target limitations. There seems to be a sweet spot of around 80 members for our club. I think this is a problem for the sport overall lack of physical space, and probably why the sport will never grow to a large size. Shame because NZ Archery are trying to grow the sport, but how is that even possible. clubs would need to double in size and most just don't have the physical grounds for it. It's an interesting challenge to try and solve.
If archery clubs can be socially exhausting, my local gym is right up there. It amazes me the places I go to relax are often the places other people go to get out their hate it would seem sometimes. Just keep smiling and be positive is all you can do😊
Right on and in the USA clubs. I love shooting field/target and FITA but almost all clubs here in the southeast are all 3D and I don't like shooting that. So I go and practice by myself and rarely do 3D competition that have one weekend a month. I travel state wife and shoot nfaa and USA tourneys. I shoot indoor state and national but don't even have a indoor club around to practice in that has indoor facilities. I belong to two clubs in the state and when traveling join one in Kentucky that is awesome and so well equipped! You find in your area that only about 6-10 members do all the work? So discouraging and people get burned out. Great discussion!
Well said if you want business be friendly, plus everytime I see somebody who isn't taking a lesson I talk to them mainly because I can't help talking to people.
I'm ready to give up archery because in the 2.5 years of owning and shooting a compound and a recurve i still didnt learn how to shoot, i mean i shoot so bad with the recurve that from 27 meters away i miss the 1m x 1m backstop completely and ruin all my arrows. With the compound i started going to a small local tournament and i am always dead last there, its a 3D course with 24 targets two shots each and i get 240-280 score every time. Initially i started archery because i wanted to hunt, now almost 3 years down the line i was on a hunt only once, and i took a crossbow because i wasnt sure i would be able to hit vitals at 20 yards, even though i shoot absolutely awfull with a crossbow too, but with a crossbow i'm very likely to hit vitals at 20 yards (the distance to the feeder is less than that where i intend to hunt). So i'm thinking of selling my bows and only keeping the crossbow as i just cant hit anything with my bows.
At Great Southern Archers in Strathalbyn South Australia we pride ourselves of being relaxed and all encompassing we have Longbow, Bearbow, Recurve, Compound and Crossbow. We have a laugh if you want or be as serious as you like.
feeling lucky, our local club is probably 90% bow hunters that also shoot some target stuff (3d and field) and I am just wanting to shoot target so I kinda figured I may not fit in but its turned out to be a awesome group and super willing to offer advise/help.... honestly hardest part is people are overly friendly and I am a half deaf introvert so I worry I am not being nice enough back LOL
Hi,
today i signed in a new archery club in Metz, France
my first motivation to start archery is to learn the technic, to be in harmony with my body and the bow, and meet people having the same motivation, and the results is...
every club of the french federation's obsessed to use all the financial ressources to be on the top in Paris for the Olympic Games (2024) even its organisation can't manage it !
patience is the hardest quality to live with or beside people running after performance, even there's nothing to win (€) in archery
just be patient and focused on what's important in life and sometimes leaving a club, a sport is the way to find the harmony with yourself
Same here in the UK.
That’s why I don’t change for big clubs, even if that would help me with my carrier running 24 for seven. People do hear how snobistic some clubs get or how weird hierarchy could be there. I’m not saying it’s all big clubs, but there is vibes I heard in archery I don’t wanna be around. Also if someone loves it enough don’t let anything stop you, if you uncomfortable bring this up with them.
$1.7 million paid out to archers in United States ARCHERY SHOOTERS ASSOCIATION in the 2023 year to date in first,second and third place podiums and archery equipment manufacturers contingency awards. There were over 17 THOUSAND archers competing in ASA events. Due to the horrible economy with motel, food and exorbitant fuel costs thousands were NOT able to attend the multiple events. The ASA in Texas had more archers attending ASA sponsored shoots than ever. Archery in the U.S. is growing by leaps & bounds. 👍👍
I have visited archery clubs in UK and they're all the same, full of archery snobs who only have one way of shooting. They look down their noses at other styles. The last club I tried to join on my first visit I was challenged to a shoot off with the head geyser. He told the archers there that everything I was doing was wrong, so I beat him firstly on six arrows at 25 meters. I finished all my arrows before he shot 3, and doubled his score after six arrows. He even demanded a recount. I beat him again and again, but still everything I was doing was wrong.
I shoot everyday either at home, on a farmer's land or up in the woods. I build my own bows from fibre glass rods and have built several different styles, both short pull and long pull. This was also frowned upon and was told that I wasn't allowed to use my own bows but would have to buy one. It's all run by little Hitler's with tiny cocks who are not that great at shooting but can lord it over their beta accolites in a tiny pond. To mix metaphors.
I prefer to either shoot alone or with a few mates trying new stuff all the time.
I usually just shoot alone (or with my grandson if I'm lucky) but would occasionally go and shoot a 3D course set up by one of the local clubs. I've always felt welcomed and only run into 1 guy that couldn't accept the scores he actually shot and would fudge his score card. Even he was still friendly. I don't understand that mentality, especially when it's just a little 15-30 archer shoot. I guess he weighs himself with one foot on the floor so he can weigh what he wants also. As far as the people that cause problems, they usually are the same type of bossy personalities that like to be "in charge" and make sure "you" follow all the rules. For me, it is easier just to shoot on my own, on my schedule, at my place, with my rules. 😁😁
1982 being 40 years ago really felt like a personal attack :)
These are the kind of clubs you want to join, you are able to settle all scores at the line, if you are as good as you think you are.
What difference does it make what bow she’s shooting tell the other folks to get them one
One of the shop customers asked me which club I join is important in order for me to have more fun in archery. Hahaha, fyi I pick up archery from watching youtube mentors like Steven, John, Chris etc... during covid lockdown. I'm not so good yet but I have fun shooting alone to release my stress or some how enjoy the green scenery where nobody disturb me and at the same time get to sweat a lots by walking up and down. LOL
This seems like such a long ramble. I ever found out what the bow sold for!
This happens with all types of clubs that are financially secure, they don't have to put in the effort for memberships anymore.
The concept of moving interstate is a lot more off putting when I think about the fact I may not find an archery club like the one I've been shooting at for the last 15 years.
Also, if youre ever up North, drop me a line. I'd love to see what you think of my local archery club
I gave up the sport for a few years as well. It took a friend of mine who was a former Olympian to actually encouraged me to try to get back into it again. But I had had a really horrible experience in competition where it just wasn’t good. People were not at a fine and they really, laughed at your mistakes. I’m in a much better place mentally but also in terms of a club sport. My personal opinion, don’t put that equipment up for sale, just took it away in a safe for a few months and see if she comes back for it.
the difference in clubs is pretty crazy, I'm in Canada and its completely different then what you're describing, its probably 2 or 3 acres of property in a forrest with trails cut out throughout and lanes off the main trail for shooting, the place is open 24/7 you can shoot at midnight if you want, its much more of a relaxed situation, maybe a tournament once or twice a year but its mostly just show up and shoot, hang out for a bit and talk about archery stuff. and that's pretty much the common setup around here. The way it sounds for you is almost like a karate class or something, very scripted, lots of rules and almost robotic, and it almost sounds like you guys compete against other clubs.
G'Day Jake. Is that the club in Kingston or near Lindsay in Ontario?
Hi Jake, Australia is about as big in physical size as USA so there are lots of clubs through out Australia. and all of them are often different. The inner City ones have more rules because the ovals are often shared so we have restrictions on times but most clubs within those times you arrive and pull out a target. put up flags and shoot to your hearts desire. In outer City clubs there are some ranges you can shoot 24 hours a day if you choose as long as you are a member of that club or a member of Archery Australia and with a member of the club I suppose the bottom line is that if you just want to do your own thing and shoot with minimal interaction you can. But if you want interaction with members and I think most people do, then as in every club in the world in every sport you will find some friction. Its the unfortunate result of putting varies personalities together in the same place. Eventually most people find their place and mesh together.......
I joined a club that was targeted by archery GB as a disabled club . Worst club I have ever had any connection to . I shoot field now ,bits stuck up snobs that ruin the sport same in any club .
Maybe it wasn’t implied but when I hear female archer and issues I think - was someone inappropriate with her?
I’ve had to step in at work for female employees when nonsense happens before. It really makes a difference when someone says something
I had to give up AA due to medication. Was prohibited. Even if I wasn’t in the testing pool for AA I am for other sports, it just didn’t seem right to shoot anymore.
Vaughn
Don’t they have an exemption process? Or have they made it over complicated?
@@chrisgorman1652 no TUE will be provided under World Archery or Archery Australia for my medication.
@@bornepatrol That s**ks. Will Archery Aus let you participate non-competitively? Not great, but that's what ArcheryNZ did for my dad while they were sorting out his TUE (a few years ago - he was probably the first archer in NZ to go through the process) - they made a bit of a song and dance about "allowing" him to shoot, but at least he was able to keep shooting - Good Luck!
@@chrisgorman1652 not sure but doing the online courses and speaking with Sports Integrity Australia (SIA) previously ASADA at one of my other events, they said there may be issues with other archers on the line, 2 of whom regular travel Australia competing and have been to World Cups and Vegas etc that my presence and me being in possession of a banned substance near them may cause them issues with integrity and anti doping.
I was for one year on the high developments coaching program in my home state and doing QREs.
SIA said the best would be not to be associated with this people in person. They weren’t able to provide me with a very clear answer. Because even they said unless I test positive I’m not a banned person, but because I applied for sn exemption in another sport they’re aware of what medications I take. These members were at my club, probably the most welcoming club and most enjoyable to shoot at, have been tested before put me in a morale dilemma of would my presence at the club and shooting line and having prohibited medication for archery in my possession potentially put their integrity in the firing line. They are at risk of being around me potentially and it’s hard to get a clear answer other than the best course is not to be near them. I’m hoping with a medical procedure that is waiting approval I’ll be able to stop that prohibited in and out of comp medication and get back to shooting again.
I love archery and my other sports. It just creates a big dilemma. If I wasn’t in the testing pool for one of my other sports and having to do the SIA online modules and sign all the agreements even with AA before taking this medication I done the online learning and what I could say I didn’t know any better. SIA said until you do that module you’re not able to be tested. But once you cross into that territory you have to still maintain compliance for 6 months after leaving the sports they cover. I think that’s a bit steep that if a dr prescribes you prohibited medication you can write and plead your reason for not obeying the 6 months of being clean post membership and remove yourself from the sports effective immediately. There should be an allowance for that other than for lifesaving treatments.
Ignorance would be bliss if you could claim it.
I suppose it will never be the same with everyone, but I practice archery entirely on my own. I have an ABA membership, but I am a lone wolf with archery. I think of it not as a social activity, but as a martial art that leads to self mastery. But that's just me. I understand other people are different and have different views.
in my case I got priced out of the sport.I shot compound and went from beginner to MB in three years with an old hoyt vantage as a store man on minimum wage I found that I could not continue to compete with multi thousand dollar bows shooting near flat at 70m not to mention the arrow bill I was smashing at least two ACC a week at the time $37.00 each. I recently looked at setting up for recurved priced up over $5000 just not the sport for a working man
Two words for everyone who has money troubles like me! "After Pay"
FACTS.
There are "clicks"everywhere. If they don't want to friendly or inviting, that's there loss. New people go out of there way not to do anything wrong.
yep, . different reason,,, I spent a thousand pound on a PSE Perform X when they came out , which cannot bare shaft tune pr paper tune in any way, arrows always tail rotate clockwise from about 7 oclock around to 3 oclock .. bare shaft the arrow is across the target and 4inches to the right.. If I chase it I get to the far end of windage scope , and my arrow windage changes as the change of distance, .. Nice people at PSE , but no solution! Even tho I should not have to,, I was prepared to order another top right limb because when you let down the the bow pulls hard up and right .. BUT they only sell four,,, WTF.. It bXllocks and extremely easy for them to assume , I am doing something wrong, so they took no responsibility, I cant just buy another one either... BTW I ve had rampage XT I could tune, multiple C4s, Hoyt AlphaElite. And a podiumx.. GL
This is the type of attitude you find at the Archery clubs in the UK.
It's always people, without the right people around, frustrations come in and people leave. Unless you have your own space to shoot.
Some committee members/long term members consider their club to be their own little fiefdom. Have pity on them, they probably have no life outside of the club and a lot of them can't shoot for shit. Lots of past glories but much else going on for them.
That is pretty much how it felt at my club and I took note of it but it didn't bother me. I wasn't there for pats on the back or to gain other people's admiration; just there to shoot arrows yeah. So just shoot arrows and get good.
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Not only archery. Try the handgun shooters. Have never come across such a clique driven sport before.
I'm the members rep for my club, that doesn't happen because I won't let it.
Politics and conflict at an archery club?, who would of thought lol..
Adelaide is a great sounding name for a female.
I find that very sad and unheartning . At the range/club I shoot at every one is friendly and talkative . Some of us as good shooter's have been pointed out to ask question or to help out in some way . Now there are some clubs in the city that are the way you are talking about SAD!!!!!!
and funny thing there recurve shooter's or Olipic style shooter's who think they are better than evry one else !! Haven't had the chance to shoot with these type's but I can tell you the frist time some thing would be said toward me they would have me BANDED and they would be living with one less arrow to shoot . As we some times use an arrow as target practice they give off a cool snap sound when hit broad side
And in that note POEPLE like this should take note as culd's need $ revanew $ to operate unless they are going to suport the club $$$$$
Ha ha ha, every club I've ever joined...
A-MEN STEVE
every thing you have said i completely agree with,well said .
archers are a special bunch
I’ve gathered from watching many Australian made videos the mindset of about anyone there in “ charge/ control”? is like a monarchy. There was a guy there that made a lot of vids and he was a bit different in dress and hair etc. He made numerous comments about the people running a club or two making people “ jump thru hoops” with trying to become a club member. From what I’ve picked up the ABA there is way overboard with rules and regulations for “ shooting a bow”. Maybe I’m wrong about my perceptions on this? Or am I? I was elected President of one of the very oldest archery clubs in Texas for 7 years. I made sure EVERY SINGLE person felt welcomed. There really wasn’t any RULES for the members at large. There are/were no prerequisites at all. No pedigree involved. Paid their memberships and event fees. We had 3-d shoots every month and 3 field/hunter rounds. There were stakes for the traditional shooters at each shoot. There can be TOO MUCH structure until it becomes a hindrance.
EVERY Club has their issues! I know I have pissed off people in clubs here in the US. Too bad, I go, I shoot and I leave! I do not let them get to me.
Not till the day I die
Bow makers are pricing themselves out of business. It used to be anyone with a job could afford a bow. Now you have to be a high paid executive to afford one of today’s good bows, then the over priced sights and arrows. Golf is another business that is pricing themselves slowly out of business.
Can't stand the Clubs!
I shoot to relax, not to be fleeced as an unpaid Groundskeeper!
The trouble with archery is it's boring . Maybe less in 3D archery . And it's mostly done by blue collars .A guy who doesn't belong to that part of the society may have trouble to mix with those people , and he needs a great love of archery to stay in .
Shoot in the back yard. Make your own range. We don't have many archery clubs in the US but a lot of people shoot bows especially for hunting
Umm, I think the club is actually glad she left,she sounds kinda needy,she sounds like she needs a support group
So the price on that setup your disguising has gone down in price...you have damaged it after all...😁
Same story, different facades. I live in Oklahoma USA. The Archery community is 99.99% pulling wheel bows at corn feeders. The shops are almost completely void of any olympic/world cup style of knowledge. My kids want to shoot recurve and all the help I can get is on youtube. Gets frustrating...seriously about to tell them this just isn't something we can do with the local culture where we live.
I'm in the UK and have struggled with my club for years. It's controlled by a handful of old sexist men. I'm in my late 20s and a woman, and there is a noticeable different between attitudes. If you're a man, particularly older you get treated with respect but a woman? None and younger? Spoken to like a child.
You will always get tyrants one archery clubs !! Anyone who wants power over another is a tyrant by definition ( fact)
I shoot in Cheltenham and am gmb standard , Iv had to do it alone ! I had such poor coaching from one of said club tyrants ( g Williams)and a mixture of control freak behavior and lack of knowledge mixed with arrogance held me back , I can also say there is maybe one club member who wants me to do well, the others all but hate me doing well!! Those people can’t and never will reach any kind of ok standard and get off on telling people what to do and making people feel bad about themselves! I am complimentary to every archer in the club and do all I can to raise their game !!
Iv decided to leave for a club which encourages, my reason is simple, make friends with people who want the best for you !!! Surround yourself with people who are like minded . Regards to club tyrants , find ways to expose them ( usually they have sociopathic tendencies or narcissistic tendencies) there are plenary Iv visions and literature on just how to get them to show their own true colors.
Problems at more than one club? That's like people who are on their third or fourth husband/wife!! There's a common problem. 😂
I got thrown out of my archery club(in germany, 2021) because I was pro choice on the vaccination story.
Keep the faith, stay strong. You're on the right side of history. 👏🏻👏🏻
@@typhoon2827 he sure is.
shit cost to much.
this is a human problem so I suspect that it happens every ware. and you are consulting people to be tolerant. while that is always good. your description of the rules monger that are conditionally applied. well, I dont like people like that. would you not also counsel clubs to not allow for those people to develop and certainly not become the ruler of the grounds.
The audio was so bad that I didn't care what you had tio say