Just got mine installed last week. Can't wait for them to integrate more battery and inverter communication. Right now it's just Tesla and Solar Edge for automatic load shedding.
@@Lavasalsa1 They are working with several others to get full communication. Enphase too. But the auto load shedding is only with those two officially right now. Technically, as long as I know the power is out, I can swap breakers off via my app. But could be wasteful and not great if my AC kicked on before I knew the grid was down.
I've had one since Oct 2021 and I do love it BUT it is mighty pricey and it is limited to 32 circuits. Also they have no desktop app, not even a fully optimized tablet app which sucks when trying to compile data from multiple resources. Overall it has helped me kill some power leeches but they really should consider making an affordable subpanel and developing a full desktop app. EDIT - I also have it connected to my solar and battery backup which works beautifully!
Good to hear about your positive experience. I will have a Span Panel installed in the next month or two with a new solar install. I get the lament that its only 32 circuits, 40 would have been better but our current panel is only 20 slots, and its fully fully stocked even with some tandems loaded. I am surprised to hear that a tablet cannot run the app, I wouldn't have expected that.
I wish Span had a version like Ecoflows panel where each breaker can pull from two sources (basically breaker level transfer switch flexibility) Then you could use solar generation + battery to offset daily utility costs while also having backup power. Then your backup system can partially pay for itself.
I have a stack'd battery and two sol-ark 12ks. There is NO stock integration between my Span panel and the inverter/battery. I basically had to make my own. The Span's local endpoints (not officially supported) are easy to find, and the Sol-Ark's modbus output (again, not officially supported) are semi-easy to use. I had to wire up a local device to collect and centralize all the data. I used an eGauge, but a Raspberry Pi would be easier and more flexible.
You sure can! And for more information on the SPAN Multi Panel experience, please visit our support page at support.span.io/hc/en-us/articles/4411635811479-What-if-I-need-more-than-one-SPAN-Panel-
You need to do an in depth with these guys. There were more questions than answers in this segment. I have to assume its network ready. Not understanding why the inverter matters. Theoretically, the entire database of circuits, what's on them and rules could be kept in the panel. A small PC based program could allow for database setup and maintenance. Doing a whole home from a phone would be a royal pain. Per my assumptions, the only thing you don't know is the SOC of the battery bank. A simple little monitoring system on the battery bank could inform the Span of the SOC using an add-on component in the Span that speaks the common CAN packets most manufacturers use for this data , so again, the inverter doesn't matter. I suspect I've idealized their design too much.
But does it integrate with Home-Assistant? It should have a local API, this way if internet is down you can still use it. If it's cloud tied then it's a no starter for me.
For Home Automation purposes, SPAN is only compatible with an Amazon Alexa Integration. We are always evaluating new platforms and hope to offer an API solution in the future, however, there is no set timeline for when or if this will become public. Today, SPAN does not have an open API for local control.
@@span_io thanks for the response. So many other cloud dependent products have become expensive paperweights when their company goes belly up. At least with open APIs or Local access you can continue to use the products, this makes them more attractive in general.
How long before SPAN expands their offerings to avoid an electrical service upgrade? I see in the FAQ, the new EV charger will be the first step but we're going to need more granular control as we move towards Heat Pump HVAC and Heat Pump Water Heaters to replace our gas units.
Answer is not enough breakers, and the solution is to add a second Span panel fed from the first panel. If I wanted to move to a heat pump and heat pump water heater, and a heat pump pool heater, I would fill my panel, and it already has more breakers positions than Span.
Our users’ privacy and security is of the utmost importance. All communication pathways between devices connected to the SPAN panel and between the SPAN panel and the cloud are encrypted using industry-standard security protocol. For more information on SPAN's connectivity and security, please feel free to visit our support page at support.span.io/hc/en-us/articles/4410667443607-SPAN-Panels-Connectivity
Obvious questions that could have been asked: What breaker brands fit in the panel, and does it have plug on neutral capability? How many total circuits? Does it accommodate double and quad breakers?
@@span_io do you have a Siemens style that's compatible for 400A 420v 40-60 slot panel residential home installation in Utah 🇺🇸 2-BEV's and looking at a 400A and a 1k-5kw-plug-quick ( and as suggestion of wind 1-10kw in the plug or box-store genie ) generator and 20kw solar system and 2-10k-battery
Thanks for your comment! We hear a lot from individuals who want our product in Canada. We haven't yet done CSA certification and do not have a timeline on when our product will be certified and available in Canada, but we will let you know should that change in the future.
SPAN allows homeowners to control & monitor every circuit in the home right from their phone, understand how the home is sourcing, storing, and using energy in real-time, and modernize the home without worrying about your existing electrical system. The panel MSRP is $4,500, with the installation cost being the same as a standard electrical panel.
They look nice with many features but are difficult to work with when relocating all circuits on a whole home backup. Just not enough room and the placement of the AUX port couldn’t be in a worse location. Not to mention there is no customer support on weekends and they close too early on weekdays. Good luck!
I don't get this. So if there is a power loss and you need to conserve... well... don't run your dryer? Why do u need the circuit shut off? Just don't put ur clothes in there. Lol
Yea, no thanks. The number one problem with going solar today is the human element. Huge delays I install times and lack of knowledge hooking up equipment. Let's keep it simple right now because Lord knows install teams are years and miles behind modern day solar and that's just the fact.
Huh? I had my Span installed within two weeks of contacting them, and I was literally the first installation in my state. Similar with my solar and battery installs, although those took a but longer since I had to do some construction
Just got mine installed last week. Can't wait for them to integrate more battery and inverter communication. Right now it's just Tesla and Solar Edge for automatic load shedding.
What about Franklin?
@@Lavasalsa1 They are working with several others to get full communication. Enphase too. But the auto load shedding is only with those two officially right now. Technically, as long as I know the power is out, I can swap breakers off via my app. But could be wasteful and not great if my AC kicked on before I knew the grid was down.
me too. but it ain't going to happen anytime soon. I wish I knew that before the install. I would have waited.
Now this is something that you don't typically find and todays house could use!
Interested in how it would work with a whole house generator. Does it still need a transfer switch?
Yes. still need a transfer switch. on top of that, the solar won't work during power outage. WTH, the hype is off the chart.
On case for low voltage or high voltage for the utility service... how work de smart
Too bad it doesn't work with Enphase Encore for solar and IQ battery status. The companies need to work together and stop punishing the customers.
Is span panel available in Hawaii?
I think so. Check their website span.io to find an installer near you.
I've had one since Oct 2021 and I do love it BUT it is mighty pricey and it is limited to 32 circuits. Also they have no desktop app, not even a fully optimized tablet app which sucks when trying to compile data from multiple resources. Overall it has helped me kill some power leeches but they really should consider making an affordable subpanel and developing a full desktop app.
EDIT - I also have it connected to my solar and battery backup which works beautifully!
Good to hear about your positive experience. I will have a Span Panel installed in the next month or two with a new solar install.
I get the lament that its only 32 circuits, 40 would have been better but our current panel is only 20 slots, and its fully fully stocked even with some tandems loaded.
I am surprised to hear that a tablet cannot run the app, I wouldn't have expected that.
I wish Span had a version like Ecoflows panel where each breaker can pull from two sources (basically breaker level transfer switch flexibility) Then you could use solar generation + battery to offset daily utility costs while also having backup power. Then your backup system can partially pay for itself.
Are you saying that with these panels, if the grid goes down, the panel won't pull power from the solar panels and the batteries at the same time?
Could we get a battery back-up comparison video with Home Grid - stack’d series and a Sol-Ark 15kw inverter.
I have a stack'd battery and two sol-ark 12ks. There is NO stock integration between my Span panel and the inverter/battery. I basically had to make my own. The Span's local endpoints (not officially supported) are easy to find, and the Sol-Ark's modbus output (again, not officially supported) are semi-easy to use. I had to wire up a local device to collect and centralize all the data. I used an eGauge, but a Raspberry Pi would be easier and more flexible.
are they available in Canada?
Can you link two Span Panels together if you need more circuits?
You sure can! And for more information on the SPAN Multi Panel experience, please visit our support page at support.span.io/hc/en-us/articles/4411635811479-What-if-I-need-more-than-one-SPAN-Panel-
You need to do an in depth with these guys. There were more questions than answers in this segment. I have to assume its network ready. Not understanding why the inverter matters. Theoretically, the entire database of circuits, what's on them and rules could be kept in the panel. A small PC based program could allow for database setup and maintenance. Doing a whole home from a phone would be a royal pain. Per my assumptions, the only thing you don't know is the SOC of the battery bank. A simple little monitoring system on the battery bank could inform the Span of the SOC using an add-on component in the Span that speaks the common CAN packets most manufacturers use for this data , so again, the inverter doesn't matter. I suspect I've idealized their design too much.
Can confirm.
When will you sell Span in Europe? (Portugal)
But does it integrate with Home-Assistant?
It should have a local API, this way if internet is down you can still use it.
If it's cloud tied then it's a no starter for me.
For Home Automation purposes, SPAN is only compatible with an Amazon Alexa Integration. We are always evaluating new platforms and hope to offer an API solution in the future, however, there is no set timeline for when or if this will become public. Today, SPAN does not have an open API for local control.
@@span_io thanks for the response. So many other cloud dependent products have become expensive paperweights when their company goes belly up.
At least with open APIs or Local access you can continue to use the products, this makes them more attractive in general.
@@MiguelCruzer ...or when the Internet is down, which is not uncommon for the circumstances when you need most to manage loads.
Although to be clear - the span app (and even a browser) can direct connect locally to the Span via wifi.
@@PRS-0317 ohh thats a positive! if it can be connected to locally, then an integration with Home-Assistant could be created.
No critical load panel! Dynamic changes.
What about 2 way elec vehicle?
How well does the span work with Franklinwh Whole Home battery backup?
does this replace your panel or is this an additional panel?
It replaces your current panel
Thank you Joe !
How long before SPAN expands their offerings to avoid an electrical service upgrade? I see in the FAQ, the new EV charger will be the first step but we're going to need more granular control as we move towards Heat Pump HVAC and Heat Pump Water Heaters to replace our gas units.
Answer is not enough breakers, and the solution is to add a second Span panel fed from the first panel. If I wanted to move to a heat pump and heat pump water heater, and a heat pump pool heater, I would fill my panel, and it already has more breakers positions than Span.
You need to get a "Certified" electrician to do the software end of the installation. I don't know why. How hard could it be?
What about cybersecurity in managing span? Is there a possible concern?
Our users’ privacy and security is of the utmost importance. All communication pathways between devices connected to the SPAN panel and between the SPAN panel and the cloud are encrypted using industry-standard security protocol. For more information on SPAN's connectivity and security, please feel free to visit our support page at support.span.io/hc/en-us/articles/4410667443607-SPAN-Panels-Connectivity
@@span_iowhat's up with Enphase integration?
How would this integrate with Franklin whole-home system?
The franklin system would connect above the main panel so the Span could be used to control all loads within the house.
@@SolarSurge thank you for replying. In such a timely manner, much appreciated
Obvious questions that could have been asked: What breaker brands fit in the panel, and does it have plug on neutral capability? How many total circuits? Does it accommodate double and quad breakers?
The SPAN panel contains 32 circuits and is compatible with 1-inch breakers (including Eaton, Siemens, and Square D) as well as tandem & quad breakers.
@@span_io do you have a Siemens style that's compatible for 400A 420v 40-60 slot panel residential home installation in Utah 🇺🇸 2-BEV's and looking at a 400A and a 1k-5kw-plug-quick ( and as suggestion of wind 1-10kw in the plug or box-store genie ) generator and 20kw solar system and 2-10k-battery
HOW ABOUT SERGE PROTECHING LIKE A LIGHTING STRIKE.
Wish Span would come to Canada
Thanks for your comment! We hear a lot from individuals who want our product in Canada. We haven't yet done CSA certification and do not have a timeline on when our product will be certified and available in Canada, but we will let you know should that change in the future.
I really like this and definitely will get this one day.
It's great but I have to think it's a bit overkill. Do people really need to be conscious of all their circuits and have to see them in their phone?
amen
Will work outside USA?
At this time, SPAN is only certified in the United States.
Hoe far is span development for eu market
TLDR: Synopsis compared to existing and cost please?
SPAN allows homeowners to control & monitor every circuit in the home right from their phone, understand how the home is sourcing, storing, and using energy in real-time, and modernize the home without worrying about your existing electrical system. The panel MSRP is $4,500, with the installation cost being the same as a standard electrical panel.
How large of a main breaker can go in these panels?
The SPAN panel supports up to a 200A main breaker, with 225A bussing and 32 1-inch breaker slots plus optional subfeed lugs.
Reliability is really the sum of a product if relied on for living.
Excellent... That helped...
Would span still work in an EMP scenario?
No
They look nice with many features but are difficult to work with when relocating all circuits on a whole home backup. Just not enough room and the placement of the AUX port couldn’t be in a worse location. Not to mention there is no customer support on weekends and they close too early on weekdays. Good luck!
Great Video
Excellent review, keep it coming
sales pitch
I don't get this. So if there is a power loss and you need to conserve... well... don't run your dryer? Why do u need the circuit shut off? Just don't put ur clothes in there. Lol
Yea, no thanks. The number one problem with going solar today is the human element. Huge delays I install times and lack of knowledge hooking up equipment. Let's keep it simple right now because Lord knows install teams are years and miles behind modern day solar and that's just the fact.
Poor take
Huh? I had my Span installed within two weeks of contacting them, and I was literally the first installation in my state. Similar with my solar and battery installs, although those took a but longer since I had to do some construction
This is not worth the price. Trading money for laziness. Would rather just manually do what I need as I need it.
This guy beats around the bush and takes too long to get the point.
Gotta love marketing
Useless panel for the price.