Panasonic Lumix S5II's Best Secret Feature - Real Time LUT
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 มิ.ย. 2024
- Real Time LUT is probably my favourite changes that comes with the Panasonic Lumix S5II. In this video, i'll show you how to use the Real Time Lut feature and why I really love this feature!
Disclaimer: Panasonic has paid for my trip to Japan to attend the Lumix summit in Dec 2022 when they showed us the S5II privately. They have also provided me a long-term loan S5II camera and a few lenses for me to work on the S5II review and other content.
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0:00 Introduction
0:22 What is Panasonic's Real Time LUT
1:14 How to setup Real Time LUT
6:23 Why Real Time LUT (for Videographer)
9:08 Why Real Time LUT (for Photographer)
12:20 Final Thoughts - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
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As a hobbyist that doesn't really want to spend time in color grading. Real time lut, baked into the video file -> transferred directly to a smartphone and posted to social media...is an amazing flow.
Yep I agree
Are you only able to do this in mp4 or can it also be done in mov?
@@jguaderrama713 It works with MOV as well.
if you are hobbyist why the hell are you buying a professional camera?
@@sdufg Ah, a member of the camera police, LOL. Thanks for helping to make the world a better place.
Clear and concise! Best explanation about the use of LUTs in the S5II. Great work, Richard!
Thank you
Thanks so much for this Richard! As an S5IIX owner I have been meaning to try out the real time LUT feature, you’ve just made me even more excited about it. Thanks for taking the time to guide us through the process - and for showing us your results. Some fantastic pictures! 👏
Enjoy your s5iix!
Thank you Richard! You helped me out!! Much appreciated!!
Truly superb: your explanation and Lumix's LUT innovation! Thanks for showing us the way forward.
Thanks for watching and comment :)
You do an amazing Job with your reviews!
You are the saviour! it was really helpful as i couldnt find any other youtube video like yours , well explained . Thank you
Glad to hear that! Thanks 👍
So well explained ! Thank you 🙏 I was looking for that
Thanks for watching @Ladyvisanti!
This is amazing! Thank you for the video
Very cool feature! As a photographer first and beginner videographer - I love this. I like you can load up basically your signature looks for different styles of shooting and also as a newbie videographer I can use V-LOG that's a little more beginner friendly.
yes agree!
Richard that was very well explained. As a complete beginner to LUTS this has helped massively thanks again from London UK
Glad it was helpful!
@@TheRealRichardWong One quick question please. I set up the back wheel bottom button to SS and it was fine, now it's disappeared from the bottom setting. It will let assign anything else to the same button but not SS?? Any thoughts please. Thank you again from London UK
Thank you for the in depth coverage here of this new feature !! I feel like Panasonic read my mind on both creating this feature and allowing it for stills. Immediately makes it easy to customize picture profiles off camera like with Canon and Fuji (finally!) . You are also the first I’ve seen showing the custom profile a ability to mix the base profile and LUT. I really like this for a much more
robust in camera HDR workflow w/ the base as HLG/Rec2100
No prob! Glad you like it. I do need to check if it supports HLG as base photo profile. I don't use that myself so need to check as I think not every base profile is available
@@TheRealRichardWong that would be great if you can confirm!
okay just checked, if you shoot video, you can choose the HLG2100 as the base profile and apply LUT on top. But HLG2100 is not available in photo mode.. i guess because HLG is really a video thing only.
@@TheRealRichardWong glad to hear that, thanks! as you guessed my comment was in regard to video.
technically HLG for photos is there already (it’s HLG gamma/ Rec2100 gamut) in the S5 so maybe it’s still there in the S5II? it sort of works as the answer to HEIF since it’s 10bit stills but they’re very annoying to work with in post since the files are a proprietary .HSP wrapper
Wow, whatever you did to film this video, it looks very film like. Excellent! Also, this was great information!! And the stills that you showed from Tokyo were gorgeous.
Glad you enjoyed it! The video was shot with the real time lut feature that bake in the Gamut Kinect LUT (sorry forgot which one exactly did i choose)
Thanks for this Richard - had to do a client shoot with a burnt in look - this helped me get it setup quickly!
hey Ed! great seeing you here! Yes the real time LUT is a great feature!
This is one very exciting feature! 🥰
Quick turn around, perfect for content creators. 👌🏽
Totally!! or even just to match camera colours
@@TheRealRichardWong If I want to use the real time lut feature and transfer directly to my phone, am I limited to mp4 only or can I also use mov? Thanks!
EXCELLENT VIDEO 👍🏼
Glad you liked it Danny!
People seem worried about doing things in camera, but honestly it makes me even more excited to shoot. Going on with a specific look from the beginning, shooting around that look, maybe adding a filter on the lens to tweak the highlights from the start as well, and not only does it lead to a more concise theme to all the shots of the day, but it also saves me a ton of time editing/rendering. Just gotta add some grain or other stuff after and export. Not great for every situation (weddings) but for things like solo street photography it's amazing. Great for video as well since a whole video will usually be the same look anyways, just a nice time saver unless you work for a movie studio...and then you'd be using a RED/ARRI anyways.
yes agree. it's not for every type of work/project, but use it wisely it is a fantastic tool! I've just uploaded a video that is my street photography with JPGs graded using this feature
I just got the S5ii and I'm so excited for the Lut feature! I like going on photo walks and doing street photography but editing after just feels like work.
I used to spend a long time photo editing and I'll still do it but yes it can feel like work. If you're finalising important images or spending a lot of money on big prints it is difficult to completely avoid but yes I am looking forward to outputting jpegs using LUTs, whereas before I only did RAW.
Just purchased the camera off this video alone. Thanks Rich!
Enjoy your new camera!
Thank you, i watching this kind of video on first time❤
thanks for watching, i hope you enjoyed it
The two suggestions are very good. Hope they can do it.
Cool. I look forward to this feature being added to panasonic m43 cameras too.
The g9ii has this feature as well
That ability to change the baked lut with raw+jpeg is smart! 👌🏽
I agree! I thought hey it would be great if the camrea can do that, then gave it a try and hey it works! I was surprised
This really clears it up for me! I thought it didn’t bake in the LUT!
There is a way to not bake it in but still preview the LUT!
Great photos at the end! What lens were you shooting with, if you don’t mind me asking?
Sure dont mind Sean! Most of those photos were shot with the Lumix S 20-60. One photo were shot on the S 50 1.8 (the police car one)
Perfect ❤
thank you!
It's worth buying this camera alone for this to avoid or be less reliant on post processing. I'm looking forward to it, I'll be using the LUT loader and I was a RAW only photographer before. I's particularly good for B&W and on DSLR and film you had to think in B&W (which is no bad thing either) or chimp at the back screen on DSLR with the basic monochrome filters the DSLR came with.😊
Love the idea of the dual card slot graded / ungraded footage system idea. Like you say, I wonder how difficult that would be to implement? It could also be a cool feature in dual processor cameras like Z6/7 II or even Z9, and I’m sure Nikon is looking with interest at what Panasonic brought out here.
Christopher yeah i am pretty sure Panasonic would watch this video so let's see! Yeah i would be interested to see if Nikon or any camera companies would implement similar features. It's such a powerful feature!
My panasonic g85 can do this a can choose to have pics with a special look or without it at the same timr
Definitely interested in this too
@@TheRealRichardWong You can already get almost the same feature for video too, using the V-Log View Assist function. You can preview the LUT while recording, and save in vlog profile.
Also in the playback options, you have LUT View Assist.
You can quickly try differenent looks on a V-log recording by changing the LUT in the Custom/V-Log View Assist Menu.
To persist the look you need to apply it in post using the editing software and not in-camera.
it is quite different from the dual-slot recording. The video would need to be processed and encoded twice. The encoding is very resource intensive.
That’s insane technology. It’s like a Fujifilm on steroids.
Do you mind if I ask a question, how do these Gamut luts work with Vlog? I thought these luts had to be applied once the footage was fully graded?
Thank you.
The Gamut LUTS are supposed to be applied on V-Log footage with their base V-Log LUT applied. But since we can't do multiple LUTs in the S5II, you would choose a base photo profile that is closeest to that. I believe the 709 like would be the closest, but in the end, whatever that gives you the result you like is good. For myself, when i used it with the Gamut Kinect 02 LUT, I found if i choose "Flat" as the base photo profile, i really like the result.
Thanks for this video Richard!
Question : Is the V-Log profile for photos look truly the same as the V-Log profile for video? I’m asking because I own the original S5 and when importing a RAW photo into Photoshop and using Camera RAW to choose the V-Log profile from the menu… the results are not accurate at all, at a point where you simply can not use any LUT made for V-Log videos. Same thing when shooting JPEGs using the in-camera V-Log profile… LUTs completely destroy the image (like it’s a completely different profile). Could you make a V-Log video VS V-Log photo comparison? That would be great! Thank you!!!
Hi David, I haven't try shooting RAW photo with V-Log much at all as my understanding is if you shoot RAW with V-Log the processing is different and not recommended by Panasonic. Unfortunately I have never look too deep into that so can't say anything more at this stage. But I may look into that a bit more in the future
Is it possible to assign turning on/off the LUT using a single button click? It would be great for using a false color LUT to check exposure.
YES you can!!
This just blew my mind. doing this as soon as I can
Hi Richard am I right in thinking the real-time LUT option for photography restricts the base iso to 640, since it’s working from V-Log? Nice video by the way
If you use V-log as the base profile, then yes. But you can use this feature but use "My photo Style"and enable real time LUT there instead, so you can choose other as base profile, then it is same as normal mode i.e. ISO100.
@@TheRealRichardWong Thanks Richard, I’m currently preferring making my luts from vlog. However i’m now going try taking a reference photo in the preferred my photo style, then I will use a custom cst in resolve to make it vlog. This should then set it up correctly for my chosen film emulation.
Hi. Could you do a comparison between panasonic 85mm f1.8 and sigma 135mm f1.8 in a future video? because I didn't find any for panasonic full frame.
Does S5ii has in body hdr photo feature like Fuji XT4/5 or XH2? Would be great to have hdr jpegs combined with the LUT
Yooo good question! Did you find out?
I guess the Realtime LUT apply to the jpg not the raw file. It's just how the camera will "develop" the raw. Am I wrong ? I got my answer at the end of the video. Great video !
Yes correct. JPG and video only.
For me, the color of panasonic is suitable without loot, but this is already comfort
Is there any way for the Realtime LUT to bake in to the RAW photo? So you can still have the ability to edit better in post?
Well RAW is RAW so it won't bake it. But technically the metadata info is in the raw. It's up to the software company if they want to apply it.
Hey Richard, great video! I've purchased the Gamut Kinect LUTs for my S5iiX. Quick question... for PHOTOS, we have to select PHOTO STYLE STANDARD (STD), not V-Log?
For photos, Lumix suggested using "my photo style" then you can use like709 as base profile then choose your LUT. But I think I use flat as base profile to make it slightly less contrast and less saturation.
@@TheRealRichardWong Thanks! I think the Gamut LUTs were created to work with the standard Rec709 look, which explains why they all look very desaturated etc on V-LOG.
@@lewishague123 yes I think you are correct, most creative LUTs are created for rec709
So when I have the LUT baked in, am I still exposing to the right? Or am I just going with what looks right with the LUT applied?
Thanks!
correct. you should NOT expose to the right with the real time LUT assuming you are shooting in JPG.
But no matter if you use real time LUT or not, as long as you shoot JPG, you should not expose to the right in my opinion. Reason is, JPG is only 8bit so you should shoot as close to the final exposure as possible.
imagine getting a Lumix S5II and applying a Sony LUT :D just kidding this video is awesome, thank you very much. Will switch from my sony a7iii zu this S5II
enjoy your S5II!
Hi. Does this feature turn the V-Log to Rec.709 after baking in the LUT?
This depends on what LUT you use and if you choose a different base photo profile
great feature!..
does it work 8bit 4:2:0?
Yes i think so.
complete beginner with this, I have the gamut luts but how do I get it on the camera SD. It says read only when I try to drag them from the computer folder to the SD card.
Can you take photo with the card? If not , maybe you have accidentally moved the "lock" tab on the card to "lock" position and just need to move it back
Hi Richard,
I just got my s5iix and bought the Gamut Kinetic luts… any specific settings to get the outcome u did?
Hey CS, i actually do always change my settings all the time as I found combining different base picture profile with the same LUT can give me very different results. But I think for most of the photos I show in this video, I was using one of the flatter picture profile (was it flat?) With Kinect 02. I might have mentioned exactly what I use in my s5ii main review, the real time LUT section. Sorry it's being a while I can't be 100% sure
@@TheRealRichardWong thanks very much…
question, are you still getting the same dynamic range from v-log when using the real time lut faeture?
I think it really depends on the LUT you apply on top of v-log.
Hi Richard! My S5 ii doesn't allows the installation of these LUTs, every time i try it says ''this menu item can't be set'' any idea why this happens??
Nice video!!!
Have you unzip the LUTs and copy the .cube files to the root folder of your memory card? Also what memory card are you using?
@@TheRealRichardWong I am using a sony v90 it is compatible?
it should be. Maybe checkout this video from Lumix: th-cam.com/video/lvfOFGcJQao/w-d-xo.html
Fantastic colors, which luts did you pick? 14.51sc + 15.25sc Thanks a lot :)
Kinectic 02 from Gamut.io
really nice and helpful review as always. but unfortunately after I bought the luts I cant find a solution for my card. its always gives a message that its write protected .. I tried many ways to solve the issue but I've failed. is the cam save the luts as software even if you remove the card? or its just gone when the card move out ? thanks
hey Alaa, can you please explain a bit more about what you mean? Do you mean when you copy the LUTs to your card, the computer complains about it is write-protected? Or ??
@@TheRealRichardWong yas exactly that's what happened. It always give me a message that the memory card is protected and not possible to write on it.. I don't know how now to transfer files from my computer to my lumix!
It seems to be some issue with your memory card. Or maybe you accidentally moved the little plastic tab on the SD card so it is actually write protected? Try move the little tab to the opposite direction and see if that helps?
@@TheRealRichardWong I have tried that many times with another solutions but it failed. I wonder if I can transfer the luts via caple? I appreciate your efforts to reply to me..
I’ve been using my VLOG luts for this feature. Do you suggest shooting in stars? I have barely been using my RAW photos, so I mainly shoot the jpeg
For photos, i was told VLOG is not the best base profile as it would negatively impact the picture quality as the sensor operates in different mode
@@TheRealRichardWong okay I’ll try loading some 709 versions of my film emulations this next week. Haven’t had issues with VLOG so far, but I appreciate your feedback
it's not that there would be "issues", it's just you would not get the best out of the camera in terms of image quality. I think Sean from the official Lumix Live has explained more about it in some of his livestream
Is it possible that this Realtime LUT feature can be provided in older S5 via firmware update.
I'm not really someone who can answer this question. But the processor on the S5 is not really as powerful as the one on the S5II and this feature requires real time processing so I would guess unlikely
so you´re able to still record RAW and JPEG with LUT applied at the same time?
LUT is only bake in to the JPG.
I'm researching this camera and was wondering if you are you able to use the built-in grain effect with these real-time luts?
You can.. but depends on which camera. With s9 you can use grain to any lut/base pic profile. The previous camera is only for b&w photos
Can you have real time lut preview , but not baked in? Just for reference...but while recording.
Yes you can, just use the V-LOG view assist setting instead. So you get preview on screen, but not bake in to the recorded footage.
hello, whats difference between cube and vlt? Thanks
Can't say i know the exact technical difference, i just know they are different LUT file formats.
high quality color grade was only archieved by using raw footages from expensive cinema cameras ,theoretically incamera lut will enable baking colours in 100% raw footage in combination with 10 bit you can archieve 99% of the effect to a quality you get in cameras that capture raw videos, no need to buy expensive camera that deliver raw videos if u dont want to break a bank
Wonder if they can add this to OG S5 via FW
They'll not add this even if it is possible, time to upgrade which is good if you want discount on a lens. I'm waiting 4 weeks already on S5ii, 24-105 and 85 f1.4 in UK but it was a fantastic deal for £2199 GBP😮
@richard wong it would be fine that panasonic add via firmware us can load a icc like canon nikon or pentax to get jpgs sooc with real color calibration
Richard, realtime LUT records in rec709 colorspace?
if you use "Real Time LUT" then it's VLOG.. but if you use "My Photo Style" then you can choose the base photo style you want
@@TheRealRichardWong I always use color correction for v-log. Does it mean, I can upload my post-work as lut directly into camera and get "corrected v-log" results directly?
@@techdata_channel Yes, you can do exactly that - transform vlog into corrected rec709 (or whatever color space you need) with your LUT.
I'm curious to see if LUT is applied before or after compression.
If before compression then its likely that you will have a lot more data and less compression artifacts if you do conversion in camera.
Maybe even you can get a little better dynamic range, as darkest parts aren't squished into couple of bits/shades like in V-log so you can get more informations from shadows after denoising? Interesting to test!
@@AXYZE yep, very interesting tool. Ordinary I shift hue/saturation, but 10 bit not enough to made it perfectly, it would be great if camera apply changes for raw stream, in parallel of lens correction process etc
@@techdata_channel sorry about the late reply, but yes, you can do that. it would be great for your workflow.
Few days ago I purchased S5 II and loaded some luts from Panasonic and some I purchased. There is an issue with them I got. When exposure compensation is set to default they all look overexposed and washed out. I have to lower exposure compensation significantly to make them look ok. But this makes my raw files very underexposed.
Hi there, What is the lut you choose and is that LUT designed for vlog picture profile?
@@TheRealRichardWong I've worked it out. Instructions aren't clear by Panasonic and other folks. I've applied lut to picture style with standard profile. By default it applies them to vlog which is useless for photography.
@@TheRealRichardWong Just a quick question. While saving custom luts for my photo style why only 4 are available? 5 to 10 are greyed out.
sorry which screen are you talking about? let me know and i'll check it
@@TheRealRichardWong I had to enable remaining photo styles in settings:)
If I understood right. Sad thing is you can't use the lut when shooting raw photos??
you can shoot in RAW, but the RAW file won't have the LUT bake in. It should have the LUT metadata but it's up to software companies to handle bake in if they want.
@@TheRealRichardWong wouöd be great of you can. Anyways in video i see potential .
What is the use? Do i lose the basic colors?
It's an optional feature you can choose to use
The S5 also has it
Hey, how would i use a Real time LUT without baking it in?
If you are using vlog as base profile, you could use the LUT view assist setting in the settings screen instead
@@TheRealRichardWong thanks!
I want buy it ... But how if compare with a7rV sony ?
Quite different camera. A7rv is much higher resolution camera and also double the price
@@TheRealRichardWong Any advice sir ? I confused to be honest .. I like lumix s5II after watched a lot review but first target buy a7RV .
Do you need high resolution camera? Or do you want a normal resolution camera? Both are great. It depends on what you want and how much you want to spend
@@TheRealRichardWong i want High resolution ... for photography and videography .
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@@TheRealRichardWong lumix s5II very big deal interesting to buy with every fiture on there... Thanks sir
How do you use the real time lut but not have it baked into the video?
Oh why do you want to do that
You can do this -- shoot V-Log as your Photo Style, and then in the gear menu, in "Monitor / Display (Video)" you can choose your LUT in "V-Log View Assist." This let's you see how your footage will look with your chosen LUT, but it doesn't apply the LUT to the V-Log video file. Also, when you play the video on your camera, you see the clip with the LUT look applied, but when you download the file to your computer, you get the base V-Log file with no LUT applied.
I wish they have more slots for LUT. The current number is too little
how many do you think is good?
@@TheRealRichardWong 20 I think. Because some slot we will use for technical video convert things so 10 for videos and 10 for photos. The LUT file is really small so i dont think the number is a problem. I think Panasonic dont want us to be flooded with LUT but well since it can be baked into photo for photographer then we want more than 10. 20 is moderate and 30 is comfortable to me.
@@nguyenbui90 yeah LUT is small so i feel technically it should not be too hard. But maybe Panasonic wants to see if people use this feature and how many do we need.. rather than give us like 100 slots which may overwhelm users
I hope the S5II accepts at least 33x LUTs and won’t downconvert it to 17x like the GH6 does (to save processing power). Since the S5II allows us to bake-in the LUT, it has to be at least 33x, otherwise the results would be really bad and not worth doing it..
Hmmm. I don't think this is a "secret" feature. I've heard it mentioned in almost every video I've seen on the S5ii. But, yes, it is a great feature.
True, for people who have watched a few reviews, you probably would know about this feature :)
Can you share the gamut lut for free 😁
Sorry, it's a commercial product
bagi LUT nya bang,,
To be honest, i would never use nor recommend baking in LUT to anyone.
Why? If it gets you the results you want its a great thing
@@castielvargastv7931 because if it doesn’t, you can’t go back and fix it. Dropping a LUT in your NLE is ridiculously easy.
@@JeffBourke ja you are right but if you like the baked in look you get great video without editing. Many people like this, especially content creators who do a ot of social media . Just expose right, put your lut in camera and you are ready to go
Because you're a newbie.
There's a whole world out there shooting JPEG, especially in the Fuji system where filter jpegs and SOOC is more and more popular. Not saying shooting raw is wrong - but a lot of users have little to no need to go back and change a photo after the fact.
Secret??! How is it secret?
I heat my Lumix s5 because 3 things ..
The 1st one it have the worst skin color and white balance in all cameras..
I can't get any jpeg photo without editing..and may main shooting method is portrait..
2nd is stablaizer..
It is not effective as my old panasonic g9 or be close to it.
The 3rd one is the auto focus..
I know the can add the real time lut in freamware updates..but they will not do it..
I heat my s5 very much..
I heat panasonic because the don't lessen to their customers..
Totally confusing and muddled explanation.....keep it simple and clear...waste of time
Thanks for watching and feedback.
Apologise for negatives’ my thought a teaching video needs be concise and clear .Its opposite to pushing gear feature video. Anything about loading software isn’t obvious to many viewers ..Language needs accurate words for clarity. Accurate How To videos have a long shelf life on UTube..if simple and understandable..Gear is sold..new owner unfamiliarity
I agree viewers want clear explaination. I always aim to make my video informative but not repetitive. I would rewrite my scripts a few times just to cut out one or two sentences. This "Real Time LUT" is a new feature for the s5ii so my goal is to show my viewers how to use this feature, what it is and potential improvements I want to see from Panasonic. If you can give me some specific examples what you think is not concise I would really appreciate.