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- Earth is not flat. So, representing it on a flat surface can be challenging and always requires compromises.
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who needs maps when you have a dad claiming to have a great sense of direction
Ailsa Carlaw 😂
I wish I had a dad...
hazardous017 ill be your dad
hazardous017 now you have a family congratulations
Two words: road construction.
Good luck.
I actually saw this sentence once: "The flat earth society has members around the globe"
Notice the irony?
"notice the irony?" .... no, please help us. its too complicated dude. WHERE IS IT? also: I dont believe you. seems made up. also it would only be ironic if a flat earther had said it, otherswise it would simply be correct.
sgtStones It would still be ironic. Just because it's correct doesn't change that.
It was probably designed that way... Nobody believes the earth is flat. The whole idea is satire. Lol.
It's not ironic though. It's all a conspiracy from "Big Science"(TM)(c)(R). They've infiltrated the dictionaries and redefined what "around" means. Joke's on you!......?
/sarcasm
I don't get it. Do you mean they live on the edge, where they might stumble and fall off?
I would be very interested in the Flat Earthers response if SpaceX offered to take them into orbit.
you sir get a like
Knowing how they reason, they'd probably say it was a simulation. Either the windows were high def monitors or they were drugged and hallucinating.
Kenny Zhang yep
+Kenny Zhang cool
If the couple that took up the offer ceded that the earth was, in fact, round instead of trying to explain it off; the others would just say that SpaceX paid them off and ostracize them from the rest of the group.
The waterman butterfly is clearly the superior one.
rafael m Really? You know the Waterman? Have you seen the 1909 Cahill Map it's based- ...You have a framed reproduction at home?! Whoa. ...Listen, forget these questions. Are you doing anything tonight?
rafael m Lapidot
M1lkweed 761
Knew I'd find this here
Nice reference!
otp
I CHALLENGE SCISHOW TO MAKE A CONVINCING ARGUMENT VIDEO THAT THE EARTH IS FLAT FOR APRIL FOOLS DAY.
bruinflight SHUT UP AND TAKE MY LIKE
😂
bruinflight I'm ded!😂😂😂
Oh boy, and then all the conspiracy crowd will miss quote it everywhere. Very risky. (I'm very fun at parties :P)
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If I were ever to meet a flat earther, I'd ask them to take me to the edge. If we ever got there, I'd push them off the edge. Mainly because they'd have spent the entire trip telling my how NASA faked the moon landing.
You don't know yet? Look at the Chinese spacewalk, it's hilarious
I looked at it, but I don't see the problem. Looks like a spacewalk in space. Woohoo.
You can't get to the edge of the flat earth; the giant ice wall is in the way. The ice wall is to keep people away from the wall of the giant dome over the flat earth.
(/not a Flat Earther, I've just heard their excuse before.)
I thought their excuse was that the government's around the world banded together to keep it a secret.
I have also heard the excuse that you can't reach the edge because there is military all along it that stops people from getting to the edge.
This must be infuriating for Flat earthers.
+Drink Me Triangles are still flat mate :d
woosh
Gordon Freeman whoosh whoosh, Freeman, it's called a joke
Who cares. They aren't really worth talking to because most, if not all, flat refuse to accept anything that could possible show them to be wrong. There's no debating with that.
+darkfire090
make it a 5-simplex then
Fun fact: The Mercator projection doesn't give the shortest distance from A to B, but gives the compass heading you should maintain to get from A to B. Taking the shortest route is typically more complicated as the compass heading changes on the journey.
Self Promo: For anyone interested, I did a video recently on how the flat earth map can actually be used to disprove the flat earth theory.
Now this is a fact
What do maps and fish have in common?
They both have scales
and both taste good too
Let me guess, let me guess! They are both full of mercury!
Did I get it?
Mercator to mercury. I think I know what you're saying!
thats a knee slapper man‼️
The Earth is "flat" if you define the word "flat" as spherical
My wife and I were talking about how the person in the front passenger seat is effectively the Co-Pilot, and bears such responsibilities. We were talking about MapQuest at one point. :x
I have never actually seen a so called 'flat earther' in all my life, other than people parodying them. At this point I'm 60% convinced it is all a conspiracy in order to make me believe that humans are dumber than they are. And I'm going to keep believing that, because the alternative is too depressing.
96ace96 my neighbor is a flat earther
More than half of my class last year were flat earthers....they brought religion into the conversation, it got pretty heated considering that it was supposed to be a lighthearted debate
I've never met a flat earther, but I have met a moon landing denier. At least, he was when I went to middle school with him ten years ago.
@@20cmdeservesbetter You should think about switching schools.
I'm a fan of the Dymaxian projection. I like seeing how the land mass sizes compare to each other.
Yes, and the countries
I create software that uses many GIS concepts with LiDAR. I had to teach myself about projections while on the job (software engineer). It's a very difficult field, and I have a huge deal of respect for the mathematicians, cartographers, and GIS individuals who make it all work. I've recently discovered the flat earther fad and took a look. I never comment on the videos because it most likely won't matter - I think it's funny that this video hinted at how ridiculous they are though. This is what I wanted to comment on their videos saying: If the earth was flat, how would the math I had to implement to convert coordinate system A to coordinate system B work to begin with (it's accurate down to a millimeter)? The math is indisputable. I appreciate SciShow covering this topic!
The ”AuthaGraph” projection is a map projection that was created in 1999 by Japanese architect ”Hajime Narukawa” and is consirered ”the most realistic map projection” sure, it’s impossible to make it 100% accurate, but the diffrent types of projections you can make is almost endless. It is very realistic in many aspects and was made by dividing the Earth’s surface into 96 triangles, it can even be folded into a 3 dimensional globe! It generally preserves the area and shape of continents, as well as avoiding cutting them in half
This was so incredibly satisfying... I wonder if you could use a dymaxion map - if correctly arranged and maybe with a higher triangle resolution for navigation... so worth a try...
The Flat Earth society... has members all around the globe.
^_^
(not my joke btw)
Master Therion that is edited with inspect element
Earth is flat. Ask a photon. You'll see.
(Not trolling, its a physics joke.)
SlimThrull I did one similar to this, but I used 0.9999999999c.
I lol'd harder than I should've
That reminds me of a video VSause has made except he used a myon instead of a photon.
I don't get it. :( Can someone explain?
@Dat Kiteh: General relativity where the faster an object moves relatively to other objects, it becomes squished in the direction, applying to both frames (i.e. if you move, the world sees you squished in that direction but if on the other hand, you will see that the world has been flattened instead). Photones travel at the speed of light so the earth has got the height of 0 to them.
Oswald Winkel sounds like a euphemism for flashing a moon. "....so I gave them the old 'Oswald Winkel', to show my distaste at their authority"
I'd love if SCI Show did a mini series debunking science conspiracy theories ie: flat earth, Mandela effect, etc.
I really liked this video, and I really appreciate how when talking about Mercator Projection you didn't go into a tirade about European Imperialism. Not that I have any experience in perhaps an AP Human Geography Class.
+Kyle Nichols
So you do have experience in being a European imperialist instead ?
It's crazy there's still people who think the earth is flat even nowadays.
David M. Johnston it's actually a more modern trend. Even Columbus thought the earth was round that's why he sailed west in the first place.
...... People keep going on about it.....
It's satire?
Yeah, for thousands of years, there have been experts in map making and geometry who have known the earth is curved, and yet there has always been laymen who have seen it as it directly appears to their senses.
Why yes, Hank, I am old enough to have used Mapquest. Thanks for making me feel like a crusty old hag today 😢
As a geographer, people's lack of understanding of maps and the spread of misinformation about things like the Mercator map and strange conspiracy theories regarding it, I'm glad this video was made. Thank you.
The flat earth society has members all around the globe.
I remember when I was eight MapQuest being used by my parents
I am always fascinated by maps and how they influence how we see the world. Great topic scishow!!
That picture of Hank being stretched should be t-shirt art for their next merchandising campaign.
Thanks for giving zero credence to that god-awful Gall-Peters the Sorkin-diehard hipsters are always raving about.
Question to all of the flat-earthers: are you sure the north pole is really in the centre and not the south pole?
Center of what? What the hell are you talking about
He's talking about the stupid circle disc. The one that claims Antarctica is a giant barrier-wall and the sun is 3000 miles away.
Ganaram Inukshuk On one video they said "NASA protects the ice wall". Game of Thrones immediately came to mind. Can't remember anything else of that video as I was laughing.
the north pole is just more sensible to put in the center, there is much more travel near and through it thanks to it being close to greenland, canada, russia and some northern european countries nobody cares about. whereas the south pole doesnt really have that much near it, therefore it's more believable that it could be a great conspiracy without it being immediately obvious to lots of people.
plus the south pole has treaties about no non-scientific missions there and stuff. noone owns it and whatever (almost as though they're trying to keep people away so their secret is safe) whereas the north pole is much more politically bland. additionally if i understand correctly it is possible (and perhaps has been done) to drive a ship to the north pole, just nuclear powered ship breaking the ice and driving through it. of course with much difficulty. whereas since there is land under the south pole (or so we're told) they dont do stuff like that
im not a flat-earther, but really there are loads of reasons to choose the south pole as the wall, makes lots more sense
If the South Pole was in the center we would all fall off the Earth!
Do a Tesla mini-series covering all his inventions and discoveries.
this post will be posted on all future videos until we get the mini-series or response.
redracerb18 oh so you are that guy
redracerb18 I think if you make substantial patreon contribution you will get better results.
4:03 "It would be really nice if everybody agreed with that sentence." Haha, a nice underhanded remark
This is basically just XKCD 977, though ;)
Edward Cree Where is the waterman butterfly projection through?
I had a cartographer once tell me "You couldn't possibly draw the continents accurately on a flat surface!" but I think he was just projecting.
This is actually one of my favorite videos.
The Mercator projection does not preserve large shapes (Greenland is an obvious example), it preserves small shapes, rhumb lines, and linear scale around any point.
Better idea, I make the world.....
CUBE!
hydron powers velociraptor > Any shape
hydron powers imma one-up you , TESSARACT!
minecraff
A Hypercube would explain it better.
I'm still behind the theory, that our world is a rapidly spinning gaint banana. It spins so fast, that we see a sphere instead of that banana. I find this theory to be really a-peel-ing
Is there an actual significant amount of flat earthers or are they just mostly trolls?
SonoftheWay35 Trust me, you don't want to know.
They are real and there are too many of them.
are they from developed countries? where they should be educated about such things? Is it religious? I don't know of any mainstream religions that have a hard doctrine about the shape of the earth......
It usually has some christian religious ties to the conspiracy.
I don't ever remember the bible ever mentioning the shape of the earth......then again, I haven't read the whole thing.
Yeah me neither, but it has more to do with the government wanting to hide gods existence or something like that.
Caught a mistake:
At 1:50 the subtitles say "Nearly 14 times" But Hank says 8 times
ps, the Subtitles are correct
That's one of the reasons for subtitles, to correct mistakes without having to remake and re-upload the video.
Thank you so much for discussing this without mentioning the Gall-Peters Projection.
You don't spell triple "tripel" in german. This word does not exist in that way. There is only the word "dreifach". It might be a latin derived word though.
Hoehlenmaensch haha xD
A typical German...
Das Tripel. Exists 100%. Sry Brudi ^^
Still doesn't just translate to triple.
Hoehlenmaensch It is latin derived, you are right. and it translates to the noun "the triple". The adjective "triple" is synonymous to "threefold" wich obviously has common roots with "dreifach" in german and means the same.
+Veganes Spanferkel Babe
Hey, don't forget you are talking to a cave man.
False: the earth is a pentagon
:3
The Earth is a hyper-tetrahedron.
A pentagon is still flat tho
Hank on maps is one of my favourite things
those of you who haven't watched his vlogbrothers video on maps - fix that!
I've seen some really interesting projections that, rather than going for accuracy, distort different countries based on things like population or wealth. So, for example, more populated countries are made larger and less populated ones made smaller.
At 1:49 Captions and video don't match... What do I believe???
Flat earth it is 😂
Adriano Zambrana Marchetti what do you mean they don't match? It's perfect
HaiImDan Sorry, got the timestamp a bit wrong, fixed it
+Adriano Zambrana Marchetti go to the doctor soon
Flat earthers are as smart as Trump
How To Make An Accurate Map: Mix Mercator map + Lambert's Cylindrical Projection!
The mercator projection only preserves *small* shapes. This is also true of all conformal maps; the mercator projection is actually famous because it makes rhumb lines (lines of constant bearing, what you call lines of true direction) straight. TBH, having rhumb lines straight doesn't help at all for modern non-compass navigation for which it's just as good as any other conformal projection. The real reason Mercator's used in those cases is that the US is weirdly attached to it; most of the rest of the world uses various compromise projections.
OMG this one made me literally LOL because i totally understand every obscure age and GIS "joke" / reference. Mahalo (thank you!)
I remember MapQuest and also using the giant paper state maps. My parents gave them to me to follow along with where we were going on long drives because I could never sleep in cars. I know have a very good sense of direction while my sister, who always slept in the car, gets lost inside of buildings.
*now
My favorite map projection is the "Goode homolosine projection". It's called the "orange-peel map" because it has distinguished parts of it that resemble a range peel.
I like it because of its compromise of global area. It doesn't look too weird, and it's very useful.
We only use physical maps now for small areas of land where the curve of the earth does not matter to us in a significant way. Everyone uses digital representations of the earth on their phones for maps which actually should be the most accurate to a globe because the phone usually scrolls across a 3D representation in the coding like when using google earth I think.
"Huge area of not map" - Hank 2017
This is 100% scientific.
Hi there, SciShow! I would love for people to learn about the terrifying and sudden nature of cerebral aneurysms! I had one rupture at 19 and I think it would make for an interesting video topic!
What about a map that makes the world look like a disk? It's what the flat earthers use. If you disregard it's relation to them, I'm sure it has some good map qualities
it has the same problems that last one did where all the continents are farther away from eachother than they really are.
At the beginning of the video I jokingly asked (out loud for my friends to hear), "JoHn GrEeN??" Obviously I knew it wasn't, so I went on watching the video. Well at the end, there were credits listed... the first being the name of the host, Hank Green. Immediately, I went to Google.
I am pleased to find and report for those just as clueless, they are indeed brothers!
Glad he didn't mention the 'flat earth map' with Antarctica around the boarder of the circular map. It's probably the dymaxion with the empty spaces filled with water. xD
Lol
"How old are you, are you old enough for that"
Peirce Quincuncial is hands down my favorite map projection.
3D print the geography and oceans of the world to impresive detail in pieces like a puzzle
Didn't mention my favorite projection, the Waterman butterfly
He's talking about UTM coordinates. Universal Transverse Mercator. It's pretty much the gold standard in GPS coordinates.
"How old are you? Old enough for that?"
excuse me
Thank you for not doing the thing that people so often do where they crap all over the Mercator projection as a useless projection and as a tool of imperialism blah blah blah. It's actually a really great map projection that I didn't fully appreciate until recently.
I hope that last little bit was foreshadowing of an upcoming episode on flat-earthers.
all you need is a basic understanding of the physical world to know no celestial body could ever be flat.
I saw a model with all the continents with the most accurate shape I ever saw in a map, it can be cut in a rectangle too in many directions. the only detail is that the parallels get curved.
I love that last sentence.
I'm old enough for MapQuest
I remember MapQuest.
(I started driving when I was in the 2nd grade.)
I remember parents using map quest to get kids to birthday parties, but you had to have a printer.
Love this video, wish you had made it when I was in college! I studied Geography/GIS (Geographic Information Systems), and I now work in GIS and make maps for a living. I
Could you make a map that's a very long rectangle and on it is a spiral of Earth.
You could fold the map into a globe but it can be read as just a strip of paper?
And your high school teachers probably told you that the map was made this way to make Europe look bigger than Africa.
The two things I didn't learn till I was out of college but should have been taught as a child: #1- All maps are distorted because a 3 D surface can't be accurately shown in 2 D. #2- So called "race" (ie. black, white, asian, etc.) is subjective and cultural rather than biological. Once you learn these two things you can't believe you never saw how obviously true they are. How did I get a bachelor's degree in 1983 without knowing these two basic facts about the world? It's like when as a small kid you realize one day that the language you are speaking is a foreign language to most of the world's people. And you speak it with an accent- it's just that you don't realize it yet because everyone around you speaks the same way.
GPS, best map ever until you are driving on train tracks into a pond.
The world is flat
Damon Morris You're right, it's as flat as a sphere.
and people like you are all around the globe
And my asshole smells like a Chocolate Sunday.
Damon Morris You have been disliked and reported for hate speech.
Its about as horizontal as a ball
"Incidentally my liege, that is how we know the earth to be banana shaped." - Sir Bedivere the Wise.
Did you ever hear the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?
it's a disc on the backs of 4 elephants, on the back of a space turtle. duuuh
omg I can't stop laughing at '..or MapQuest! How old are you?' #quiteoldapparently
Useless fact of the day: The Dymaxion Projection has recently been used to create a 1:1 recreation of the entire world in minecraft.
Reminds me of xkcd. Randall loves his projections.
Shout out to map quest, which is only relevant when describing how old you are.
Outside of globe, i like Winkel Tripel the most. Right set of compromises.
In other words, we just need a widely available hologram projector to display the world in 3d
THIS EPISODE WAS SO GOOD, NOT THE NEUTERED STUFF THAT SCISHOW HAD BECOME
Earth?-Flat
Moon landing?-Faked
Hotel?-Trivago
I thought no one could possibly think the Earth was flat in the 21st century until I met someone who had 'proof' of it and wow
just wow
why not just have 7 or so circular projections (one for each continent), as it would look from space? the edges of each one would be distorted due to being on the side of the sphere, but if you wanted to see that area of the globe, you would just look at the corresponding projection
best video you have hosted glasses dude
Actually, the Web Mercator is used for Google Maps, and other online maps used for navigation.
When a video like this can be made and West Wing is not referenced then I know I've gotten old.
jkwatcher47 yes! I was thinking about CJ this whole video.
All due respect, you forgot polyconic projections. They're used in extremely high and low latitudes because of the earth's curvature toward the poles. Imagine placing a cone over the top of our planet (like a dunce cap). The parts of the paper cap that will touch the earth are then cut our (as projections) and used. Polyconics are used to navigate the Great Lakes.
I can draw a really nice mercator map by hand.
Used to do it all the time when classes were boring.
I wonder if when they were developing this series Hank and Co. said to themselves...and week 44 we'll do one on why the Earth isn't flat...
I AM OLD EN OUGH FOR MAPQUEST!
Oh my god. So funny story. I was showering. And I was thinking "What ever happened to mapquest?" like earlier today, then I see this video. Lmao.
1:51 Africa is not eight times the size of Greenland. It's more like fourteen times the size. Africa is about 30 million square kilometres, compared to the 2.1 million square kilometres that is Greenland.
please make a video on all the things we could/should agree with, flat world, distance on the earth, etc...
I really like the last line. "if everybody agreed to that" :D
I prefer the Winkel map. Growing up with the Mercator made me a geography buff who, despite knowing the capital cities of dozens of countries, was lead to believe that Russia was about 10 times bigger than the entire continent of Europe.