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This is *exactly* why we love Ian Flynn. Much like director Jeff Fowler, he understands and respects the source material. He knows who the characters are, their personalities, how they interact, and clearly love the fanbase. I'm excited to see what both he and Jeff will do for the games and movies moving forward!
Plus it just doesn't feel like he's being forced to appeal to haters, detractors, overly critical critics and even non Sonic fans! That's just what it feels like with the current writers!
this is exactly the problem with ian flynn, he's too much of a fanboy, his writing never hits the potential and feels stale. he's basically the fanbase in a nutshell writing for sonic and online. i think he gets the characters right when they're fighting. but actually talking it's mainly expedition or long drawn out scenes of them well talking. not interacting with quirks of both characters, just talking. i really don't see anything so special..
Neo Metal is definitely my favorite Sonic villain as he represents his weaker form Metal Sonic's true voice and agenda of what he really thinks about Sonic
I personally really enjoyed this arc. While I do have some gripes with the IDW comics, I love how Metal Sonic is presented both in this arc and throughout this comic series. Even though he’s loyal to Eggman, he still feels like his own individual character with his own goals and motivations rather than how he’s presented in the 2010’s games, which basically stripped him of any actual character beyond being “Eggman’s Sonic doppelgänger” who serves no purpose besides being a boss fight. And the comic keeps him pretty consistent even AFTER he loses his ability to speak. While I definitely agree that Master Overlord was a very underwhelming final fight for this arc, I still enjoyed Neo Metal Sonic as the main villain for this arc.
If the first arc brings back an old enemy with power, style and nostalgia, then you’re going to love this comic book series. It’s top notch. Also the art for Neo Metal is legendary.
always impressing work with analysis man , finally , metal sonic had been given more spotlight despite not really liking the idea of him doing what he is doing to serve eggman , would have been much better if he did to achieve some thing that he could benefit him and robots like that of sonic heroes as that game established that he has free will , but i appreciate the writers doing some thing different than what heroes did , and who knows , maybe eggman did some thing to prevent what happened in sonic heroes ,
13:50 Can we have a video about the relationship between these two characters because that cutscene in Sonic Heroes was probably their best interaction even if it was a couple of seconds
Sonic saying “I never fear the fall” during that first Neo encounter in the comics made me so happy because Ian Flynn making subtle references always brings me joy
Sidenote: I love how mr tinker's design calls back to the original pajama design for eggman when they were thinking of making eggman the mascot of sega. you can see it in gems collection if you have it.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on the metal virus arc and maybe in relation to that, you could make a video about Shadow’s characterization in that arc, and Sega’s strange mandates for the writers using his character
It’s sonic heroes if the writers did something good with metal sonic. Jokes aside I loved this arc for the idw comics, not only giving neo metal a super form but he’s an actual threat that could beat the main cast. I was never a fan of metal overlord or metal madness, especially since they stole the show from neo metal sonic. so seeing neo for a majority of the arc, him go super, and fight the three strongest of the cast really made me happy.
oh my goodness gracious i'd love to see more videos about the comic from you! whether they'd be more thorough or overall like this one (I, personally, would love to see you tackle less books at once so we can hear you gush about more haha)
It's definitely one of my favorite arcs of the IDW comics, how well most of the characters are written, the fact that Ian shows he understands them it's just so great to me, and oh boy, you're in for a treat with the next arc
my only issue with this arc is it kind of retroactively rewrites neo metal in a way that hurts metal's character from heroes. the sonic channel materials related to the whole neo metal incident don't portray neo metal as eggman's idea having just glitched out, it's sonic's ego within metal's programming combined with his existential fear of only being a copy causing him to become sentient and rebel, but it was his decision to do so, which means not only was neo metal an upgrade metal decided to perform on himself, but metal overlord wasn't something designed by eggman but rather metal's own frankensteined "final form". he doesn't need anyone's data to assume it. hell it shouldn't even really different to neo metal in terms of power because he already has all of sonic and friends + chaos data before he transforms. metal overlord was a sort of aesthetic choice metal made to differentiate himself further from sonic (in the jp script of heroes for example, sonic says "you thought you could defeat me by becoming a monster" as he does in ENG, but they left out metal's response where he says "A monster? if that's how you see it, then i'm proud of the monster ive become" which is a really significant line to skip out on). but it also shows that even when he gains free will, rebels against eggman and strikes out on his own, he's still bound by his original programming - he made his immediate goal "kill sonic" and even his new, upgraded form stil looked like sonic. it's the tragedy of a character that clearly wants to be more when given the choice (he rebels again in one of the sonic riders games after all, so it isn't a one time thing) but couldn't, and this in turn reflects against sonic. sonic is a bohemian, worldly guy always roaming the world making friends and learning new things, while metal is completely alone and can only self reflect yet never broaden his horizons through meeting others and making friends. to reduce that to "eggman upgraded metal to neo metal, he glitched out and rebelled and eggman fixed it" is just extremely shallow and ruins a huge part of the only development metal has really been allowed to have since the OVA. dont get me wrong, i adore ian flynn's writing like 90% of the time and i get nobody is ever going to pay this much attention to the entire character roster (if i was in his shoes i definitely wouldn't either), but im really biased since metal is my favourite character in the series (whch is probably pretty obvious lol) anyway nice video!!
I wonder.. am I the only one getting increasingly frustrated that the Sonic comics have only been getting so much attention in recent years AFTER Archie's cancellation? I know it's mostly just a timing thing, but the IDW comics are often praised for doing things they weren't the first to accomplish (nor the best at executing). Things like mandates and the continuity of Forces very clearly hold the storytelling and worldbuilding of IDW back (to the point of reusing the same ideas and characters over and over at times), so it's just weird to hear so many treat it like the peak of Sonic stories or characterization. Unlike IDW, the Archie comics had significantly more freedom to express their creative vision, and there were TONS of incredible, original characters in the post-reboot Archie comics that were organically tied to the story of past games without recycling elements from them, and the established cast all acted more in-character as a whole (Shadow being a prime example). World building also wasn't nearly as restrictive as it is in IDW, and they could adapt any ideas and characters they wanted from all corners of the Sonic franchise to create a universe that truly felt like the definitive world of Sonic. Yet they don't get any attention from the Sonic fanbase despite having arguably stronger stories to go back and re-read. It just makes me pity those who genuinely don't know that the potential of Sonic's world goes far beyond anything we've seen in IDW.
It's not just the mandates, Flynn doesn't want the type of edgy stories like in archie or the 2000s games is because he was thinks it holds the series back
First off, I love the IDW comics more so than the Archie comics (the pre Super Genesis Wave stories,) I think this was a good story and a great way to tell the events after Sonic Forces, while I'm not a fan of Sonic Heroes, I was happy to see Neo Metal Sonic return and is a big threat just like in Sonic CD and Sonic Heroes. Ian Flynn knows his sh*t and is pretty much the Sonic Lore Master and I think He's better than Meakawa and way better than Pontaff, granted Ian is not perfect but still, just wait till You read the next arc.
man reading the comics and watching super neo metal sonic give the absolute hands to sonic and knuckles brought joy to me as sonic heroes is my fav sonic game and the first one i started with on the GC ( i did go back and get the other sonic games for GC when i was young but SH will always hold a special place with me as my first sonic game and my first introduction to sonic )
@@AceCardGaming yeah and seeing the little tidbits and nods to heroes makes me feel like the person writing it was also a sonic heroes fan. but i do agree it felt a sham they wasted his overlord form again like in the game it took multiple hits from super sonic and an amped up tails and knuckles to bring him down while in the comic everyone was just running his fade and he had the master emerald
The second arc really falls off in terms of energy and quality and character consistency, but I’m glad to say that along with fixing every writers’ mistakes, Ian Flynn is completely open to confronting and fixing his own
also just a question but are you going to re view sonic Archie comics or any other sonic comic , it would help to branch out of just mostly analysing game characters and see their characterisation in other mediums starting from early 90s , i would love to see that on your channel
You know the way idw characterizes the characters is as bad the 2010s it does some good things and some bad things sonic let’s his foes go even tho he has never done that before you might say that he let metal go but there’s a difference between nursing him back to health and then letting him go and beating him into a pulp and just leaving him there and that is all I wanna say I’ve made so many comments on idw videos like bruh i can’t 😭
Ian can't really do anything since it's Mandate Shadow, even he refuses to use that version of him. But aside Shadow, it's an amazing comic, don't miss out on it.
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*wistles* you are in for a ride with the next arc my friend.
Can you please review imposter syndrome
Just a matter of time! 🙂
Neo Metal Sonic’s first fight with Sonic, Knuckles, and Shadow is exactly what I wanted from the Neo before he turned into that dragon….
This is *exactly* why we love Ian Flynn. Much like director Jeff Fowler, he understands and respects the source material. He knows who the characters are, their personalities, how they interact, and clearly love the fanbase.
I'm excited to see what both he and Jeff will do for the games and movies moving forward!
I definitely got this impression from what I’ve read so far!
Plus it just doesn't feel like he's being forced to appeal to haters, detractors, overly critical critics and even non Sonic fans! That's just what it feels like with the current writers!
Eh
Bro he lowballed overlord so much, overlord was suposed to be super sonic level
this is exactly the problem with ian flynn, he's too much of a fanboy, his writing never hits the potential and feels stale. he's basically the fanbase in a nutshell writing for sonic and online. i think he gets the characters right when they're fighting. but actually talking it's mainly expedition or long drawn out scenes of them well talking. not interacting with quirks of both characters, just talking. i really don't see anything so special..
Neo Metal is definitely my favorite Sonic villain as he represents his weaker form Metal Sonic's true voice and agenda of what he really thinks about Sonic
I personally really enjoyed this arc. While I do have some gripes with the IDW comics, I love how Metal Sonic is presented both in this arc and throughout this comic series. Even though he’s loyal to Eggman, he still feels like his own individual character with his own goals and motivations rather than how he’s presented in the 2010’s games, which basically stripped him of any actual character beyond being “Eggman’s Sonic doppelgänger” who serves no purpose besides being a boss fight. And the comic keeps him pretty consistent even AFTER he loses his ability to speak. While I definitely agree that Master Overlord was a very underwhelming final fight for this arc, I still enjoyed Neo Metal Sonic as the main villain for this arc.
If the first arc brings back an old enemy with power, style and nostalgia, then you’re going to love this comic book series. It’s top notch. Also the art for Neo Metal is legendary.
It really is! Some of the promotional poster style art in the books were amazing!
8:29 - “This bot is *BIG BRAIN.”*
I’m gonna use that to describe Neo Metal from now on lol
always impressing work with analysis man , finally , metal sonic had been given more spotlight despite not really liking the idea of him doing what he is doing to serve eggman , would have been much better if he did to achieve some thing that he could benefit him and robots like that of sonic heroes as that game established that he has free will , but i appreciate the writers doing some thing different than what heroes did , and who knows , maybe eggman did some thing to prevent what happened in sonic heroes ,
Man I love Metal Sonic
That's it. That's the comment.
Fair!
13:50 Can we have a video about the relationship between these two characters because that cutscene in Sonic Heroes was probably their best interaction even if it was a couple of seconds
Sonic saying “I never fear the fall” during that first Neo encounter in the comics made me so happy because Ian Flynn making subtle references always brings me joy
Sidenote: I love how mr tinker's design calls back to the original pajama design for eggman when they were thinking of making eggman the mascot of sega. you can see it in gems collection if you have it.
Phantom Infinite: I hope you all wrote your memoirs.
Neo Metal Sonic: All living beings will kneel before their master!
I’d love to hear your thoughts on the metal virus arc and maybe in relation to that, you could make a video about Shadow’s characterization in that arc, and Sega’s strange mandates for the writers using his character
I definitely want to return to the IDW stories soon!
Excellent video as always! I too missed out on these comics but after this video I'll have to make the time to get reading!
It’s sonic heroes if the writers did something good with metal sonic. Jokes aside I loved this arc for the idw comics, not only giving neo metal a super form but he’s an actual threat that could beat the main cast. I was never a fan of metal overlord or metal madness, especially since they stole the show from neo metal sonic. so seeing neo for a majority of the arc, him go super, and fight the three strongest of the cast really made me happy.
Oh my goodness, those cheesy nostalgia lines brought happy tears to my eyes
oh my goodness gracious i'd love to see more videos about the comic from you! whether they'd be more thorough or overall like this one
(I, personally, would love to see you tackle less books at once so we can hear you gush about more haha)
It's definitely one of my favorite arcs of the IDW comics, how well most of the characters are written, the fact that Ian shows he understands them it's just so great to me, and oh boy, you're in for a treat with the next arc
my only issue with this arc is it kind of retroactively rewrites neo metal in a way that hurts metal's character from heroes. the sonic channel materials related to the whole neo metal incident don't portray neo metal as eggman's idea having just glitched out, it's sonic's ego within metal's programming combined with his existential fear of only being a copy causing him to become sentient and rebel, but it was his decision to do so, which means not only was neo metal an upgrade metal decided to perform on himself, but metal overlord wasn't something designed by eggman but rather metal's own frankensteined "final form". he doesn't need anyone's data to assume it. hell it shouldn't even really different to neo metal in terms of power because he already has all of sonic and friends + chaos data before he transforms. metal overlord was a sort of aesthetic choice metal made to differentiate himself further from sonic (in the jp script of heroes for example, sonic says "you thought you could defeat me by becoming a monster" as he does in ENG, but they left out metal's response where he says "A monster? if that's how you see it, then i'm proud of the monster ive become" which is a really significant line to skip out on). but it also shows that even when he gains free will, rebels against eggman and strikes out on his own, he's still bound by his original programming - he made his immediate goal "kill sonic" and even his new, upgraded form stil looked like sonic. it's the tragedy of a character that clearly wants to be more when given the choice (he rebels again in one of the sonic riders games after all, so it isn't a one time thing) but couldn't, and this in turn reflects against sonic. sonic is a bohemian, worldly guy always roaming the world making friends and learning new things, while metal is completely alone and can only self reflect yet never broaden his horizons through meeting others and making friends. to reduce that to "eggman upgraded metal to neo metal, he glitched out and rebelled and eggman fixed it" is just extremely shallow and ruins a huge part of the only development metal has really been allowed to have since the OVA.
dont get me wrong, i adore ian flynn's writing like 90% of the time and i get nobody is ever going to pay this much attention to the entire character roster (if i was in his shoes i definitely wouldn't either), but im really biased since metal is my favourite character in the series (whch is probably pretty obvious lol)
anyway nice video!!
8:56 is that a line from "What Im Made Of" from sonic heros?
I wonder.. am I the only one getting increasingly frustrated that the Sonic comics have only been getting so much attention in recent years AFTER Archie's cancellation? I know it's mostly just a timing thing, but the IDW comics are often praised for doing things they weren't the first to accomplish (nor the best at executing). Things like mandates and the continuity of Forces very clearly hold the storytelling and worldbuilding of IDW back (to the point of reusing the same ideas and characters over and over at times), so it's just weird to hear so many treat it like the peak of Sonic stories or characterization.
Unlike IDW, the Archie comics had significantly more freedom to express their creative vision, and there were TONS of incredible, original characters in the post-reboot Archie comics that were organically tied to the story of past games without recycling elements from them, and the established cast all acted more in-character as a whole (Shadow being a prime example). World building also wasn't nearly as restrictive as it is in IDW, and they could adapt any ideas and characters they wanted from all corners of the Sonic franchise to create a universe that truly felt like the definitive world of Sonic. Yet they don't get any attention from the Sonic fanbase despite having arguably stronger stories to go back and re-read. It just makes me pity those who genuinely don't know that the potential of Sonic's world goes far beyond anything we've seen in IDW.
It's not just the mandates, Flynn doesn't want the type of edgy stories like in archie or the 2000s games is because he was thinks it holds the series back
plus i've been basically saying this in the beginning
Nice video as always👍
Waiting for Metal virus saga😁
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! I’m looking forward to reading the Metal Virus arc. 😁
Keep in mind this is a metal after rebelling in heroes and free riders(riders is canon due to frontiers).
Honestly wish Sonic Heroes actually had more story it stories basically build like a Meta era game
First off, I love the IDW comics more so than the Archie comics (the pre Super Genesis Wave stories,) I think this was a good story and a great way to tell the events after Sonic Forces, while I'm not a fan of Sonic Heroes, I was happy to see Neo Metal Sonic return and is a big threat just like in Sonic CD and Sonic Heroes.
Ian Flynn knows his sh*t and is pretty much the Sonic Lore Master and I think He's better than Meakawa and way better than Pontaff, granted Ian is not perfect but still, just wait till You read the next arc.
I love this video and the IDW neo metal sonic arc is just impressive in sonic heroes! 😃👍🦔💙🤖
Bro they lowballed overlord, he is suposed to be super sonic level, he should have one shotted them
man reading the comics and watching super neo metal sonic give the absolute hands to sonic and knuckles brought joy to me as sonic heroes is my fav sonic game and the first one i started with on the GC ( i did go back and get the other sonic games for GC when i was young but SH will always hold a special place with me as my first sonic game and my first introduction to sonic )
Heck, it was nostalgic for me and I got into the series with the Sonic 1 on the MD/Genesis, so I can imagine how awesome it must have been for you!
@@AceCardGaming yeah and seeing the little tidbits and nods to heroes makes me feel like the person writing it was also a sonic heroes fan. but i do agree it felt a sham they wasted his overlord form again like in the game it took multiple hits from super sonic and an amped up tails and knuckles to bring him down while in the comic everyone was just running his fade and he had the master emerald
You should do the metal virus saga
also you might find those comics on youtube and online
The second arc really falls off in terms of energy and quality and character consistency, but I’m glad to say that along with fixing every writers’ mistakes, Ian Flynn is completely open to confronting and fixing his own
Why does Metal Sonic regress to his vanilla self and not Neo?
Tell me Ace, what did you think of the Japanese scripts of the Sonic games?
also just a question but are you going to re view sonic Archie comics or any other sonic comic , it would help to branch out of just mostly analysing game characters and see their characterisation in other mediums starting from early 90s , i would love to see that on your channel
Definitely thinking of covering Sonic the Comic but I guess Archie would be interesting too!
@@AceCardGaming archie has some bomb ass comics, recommend the one where mecha sonic and mecha knuckles
You know the way idw characterizes the characters is as bad the 2010s it does some good things and some bad things sonic let’s his foes go even tho he has never done that before you might say that he let metal go but there’s a difference between nursing him back to health and then letting him go and beating him into a pulp and just leaving him there and that is all I wanna say I’ve made so many comments on idw videos like bruh i can’t 😭
Keep reading, metal-virus is one of the best stories EVER.
I’m looking forward to it!
I have no clue why fans hate and blame Ian Flynn when they have Ken Penders to bash.
Too bad shadow sucks in the idw comics, that’s keeping me from reading it
Ian can't really do anything since it's Mandate Shadow, even he refuses to use that version of him. But aside Shadow, it's an amazing comic, don't miss out on it.