So Skywalker is the force, THE shatter point, the coordinate of the force, his power being the literal cap for all force users. So if he died as Darth Vader without reclaiming his true original self in the light, does that mean his death would literally have ended the force and by extension the galaxy?
Another reason to say he’s unbeatable is saying “Killing Vader is the same as becoming Vader.” Just look at the force unleashed dark side ending if you killed him you be the same position as Vader as the emperor slave so the emperor and Vader wins. It is the reason why Luke made the right decision to refuse to kill his father and embrace the way of the Jedi through forgiveness and redemption.
The Force always tells the force-sensitives through visions or any sence gift, and it makes it clear that is directing the person's attention that "This matters " and attempts to help them understand what is important and show this will happen collectively, if these actions are done; if it was a turning point then it shows clearly, the Force through the abilities is attempting to help him/her to make the correct choice that is beneficial to the benign person/Jedi or someone else.
Good video I’m with you on this, it all makes sense except daegoba is a dark side nexus not a light side one, that’s why the darkened tempts like in his trial. The force ghosts appearing there I think is simply due to distance from Vader.
Vader clouds out the entire galaxy it’s just because Dagobah is a beacon of light, but your right it does have a dark side cave, but that’s only the cave the rest of the nexus is a light side nexus, the only reason there is any darkness on Dagobah is because a Dark Jedi died there and his energies stained the planet Glad you enjoyed the video 😃
So wait those living force thread which anakin bear as the chosen one were tied to him by the time of mace windu's death but not before then? Also if vader were to hypothetically use his attachments as fuel, forgive and accept himself, and return to the light would he reach the level of the (prime) father despite losing limbs?
He bares those attachments since birth but they only become apparent to Mace through shatterpoint at that point, they come and go and are obscured through his perception, but Anakin always has them Yes that is exactly what we see happen in ROTJ
1 problem = Dagobah was a DARK SIDE nexus, not a light, so if any thing it would've been one of the most difficult places to force ghost. It's why Yoda chose to hide there, the Dark Side nexus hid even his strong signature in the force even if you're standing on the planet. So Vader falling more into darkness has nothing to do with Obi Wan and how he appears. It takes time for Obi to learn the "ghost" abilities so to speak. He's not getting weaker he is getter better at it by rotj, much better if he can do it on even dagobah. Obi Wan was bound by the Force to not interfere in some ways and times. Hence Qui Gon didn't just tell yoda "hey it's Palpatine!". There is certain things they are not allowed to say/do and many times this is all about timing. They cannot interfere with the will of the Force.
Dagobah itself is not a Dark Side Nexus, only the cave is and that’s because a powerful dark Jedi was killed there and his energies stained the energies there, the Light side is strong on Dagobah which is why Kenobi can fully appear and even sit down and interact with the physical on Dagobah but barely appears on Hoth or example, there’s rules for weather or not ghosts can reveal information but appearing is entirely to do with an energy source to appear on, and there is non in the galaxy when Vader purges it
Never heard this interpretation of Vader before. It actually makes sense, and seems like a very balanced perspective on his power level. Great job! When you say he is less powerful than every single jedi/Sith in the prequels? Do you just mean the main characters? Or does that also include obscure jedi like Kit Fisto, Plo Koon, Shaak Ti, even younglings lmao?
It extends to everybody we see use a lightsaber, Lucas was very specific about showing off distinct fighting styles for every Jedi (even background characters) to show how the Jedi in the Golden Age are the best ever, i wouldn’t say younglings are better, I think most Padawans would be however
@@StarWarsDecrypted I personally take it to mean just the main characters, because we actually see them visibly fight, showcasing their impressive abilities. it wouldn't make sense for a rando Jedi who died to a Battle Droid in the Geonosis arena to be >Vader. I highly doubt Lucas thinks that.
@@SGK1206 Well if we are extending this forward into AOTC Lucas actually explicitly confirms that every Jedi there faces challenges greater than any before, meaning that every one of those Jedi who survives, survives a threat that exceeded any other threat in history, he also says that every Jedi has their own fighting style in that movie, and the reason for that is to show they are greater, not to mention all of the council far exceed Jinn and Kenobi in TPM anyways
@@aaroncarney7733 No not really just the catalyst in which Anakin is able to come back to the light, the chosen one prophecy was inclusive of Anakin destroying the Jedi
@jaquariusrodgers7299 Lies. Look at the fight again, she was on the defensive in the whole fight. She is then incapicitated by a force push. Then she gets one lucky strike on him while he was distracted by Kanan and Ezra lol
I don’t bother with canon, but everything I talk about is based on film content which is also part of canon, and although there is no canon hierarchy in the canon timeline the team does acknowledge that the film stuff is the most valued, so it should all just override any inconsistent contradictory notions in the new EU, the continuity team doesn’t seem to care about… continuity anymore, funnily enough, so I just don’t bother with that timeline
If that scene was canon, what would be the explanation for Revan appearing as a dark side user. He was redeemed. Filoni once again pretending to be a "EU nerd."
Well we do see Vader appear as a Sith Spirit too, it’s just a memory of him that exists within the Mortis energies, same with how Vader appears to Cade
@@StarWarsDecrypted how would Revan be related to Mortis to have his energy here? Would SWTOR have had to write a story about Mortis instead of Shadow of Revan?
@@АлексейМомот-щ7оthe energy of Every being that ever lived exists on Mortis, that’s the reason why Qui-Gon can appear there, it’s the same with Revan, SWTOR actually acknowledges Mortis exists too
I don’t do Anime, nor do I think there is any truth to be found in cross verse comparisons, but he’s the embodiment of god, so I don’t see how Vader isn’t going to win, he’d simply nerf the powers of those he fights
Not conventionally, In a vacuum Dooku is far more powerful and skilled, but if he was fighting Vader he would be capped below Vader’s on strength and skill and wouldn’t be as strong because of the mechanics covered in this video, Vader weighs down all his opponents with clouding and fear so he can’t be beaten unless that opponent has an emotional attachment to exploit to get around that.
@@StarWarsDecrypted Also factor in that Vader hates Dooku, and has no emotional hindrance that Dooku could benefit from. So Vader would just use his hate to fuel him and eventually overwhelm the Count
Palpatine could beat Vader easily if we're talking in the suit, and Luke only beat Vader in ROTJ due to him giving into his anger and Vader being emotionally confused due to Luke actually getting through to Anakin. People claim Luke's skill's actually had surpassed Vader's by the time of their duel but I'm sorry that makes no sense. Only like 6 months to a year passed between Empire and Jedi so no way could that short amount of time be enough for Luke training Solo to surpass a guy who spent decades training and even re-training himself in the force and Lightsaber combat, not to mention Luke wasn't just training non-stop he was still active with the rebel's and the hunt for Han.
Palpatine couldn’t in sabers, through the force? sure, I will get round to making a video explaining Palpatine’s place in all of this, but essentially the only reason Palpatine is alive is because he is leaching off Vaders Force presence, light is life and there’s no light in Palpatine, as soon as Vader relinquishes Palpatine’s mental hold on him Palpatine is powerless. On the topic of Luke vs Vader as I touched on in the video Luke is the only person who can beat Vader because of the darkness, Luke needs to exploit an emotional attachment to him to redeem him, the only reason Luke is able to grow so strong in this darkness is because of this connection, do not discount Luke’s skill though, dozens of sources note Luke as an equal of Vader and above when tapping into the dark side, Vader is seriously hampered because of his injuries and is slow, albeit still the best swordsman in the galaxy at the time, Luke’s victory is more a consequence of power, power that can only be achieved through his attachment to The Chosen One
@@StarWarsDecrypted Except that does not work. Palpatine did not leach on Vader and on many occasions was willing to replace Vader. More importantly, Palpatine also saw Vader's remaining light as a problem, not a solution and was actively seeking to purge it from him. I doubt Palpatine would jeopardize his own existence over that. Nor does it explain things such as Palpatine's survival in the alternate TFU ending of Galen killing Vader. It also does not explain Palpatine's ability to live in Dark Empire. On the topic of Luke, again while Luke is the only one who 100% defeated Vader, he was far from the only one that could as the Darth Maul clone almost defeated Vader and Galen outright defeated him. While I will be fair in your mention of pre ESB separation, and of Vader's own psychological factors, but even that not only falls on a convenience that for the most part does not exist, it also ignores that Vader is not the only factor within the galaxy's darkness. As if it was, then the dark side would weaken from Vader's mental conflict which started at the end of ESB.
@@kingorange7739 I talk about how masters leach on their apprentices in my Master and Apprentice Video, that is how Palpatine is leaching on Vaders Living Force presence “The shadow gathers you unto itself” Sure Palpatine thinks Vaders light is a weakness, it is, he is incapable of stopping himself “burning in his own flame” but if he could embrace it rather than ignore it, it would fuel him, Dark Lord Rise of Darth Vader talks about how Vader in the suit could still surpass Palpatine if he embraced his pain, those mental injuries are what is the source of most of his handicaps. I touched on the Force Unleashed stuff in the video, before the darkness gets to the point where the spirits can’t appear in the galaxy, Vader can be beaten, TESB onwards he purges his mind such that the only way to beat him is through an emotional connection to him, or else Yoda would be a better option to go and take down the Sith, Palpatine still exists independent of Vader, Vaders just the host he feeds on, I don’t see why any of this would affect Dark Empire
@@StarWarsDecrypted It effects Dark Empire because if you are suggesting that Palpatine's survival was dependent on Vader on a host, he should not be able to survive afterwards, yet he did. As mentioned, if Vader's stake was that high, then how would TFU's alternate ending even be possible? As you would basically be suggesting (again), that Vader's death before redemption would essentially destroy the whole universe. As for ESB onward, I really do not see where a notion of Vader being unbeatable would stem even in post ESB given his conflict did not cease there and if anything grew. Also I won't deny Dark Lord the Rise of Darth Vader making mention of Vader still theoretically surpassing Sidious. However not only did that only exist in theory but on top of that George made clear that Vader was only at 80% of Palpatine's power. Also Yoda realistically would not have been a better option because of how old he was. We have to forget that even in ESB, he could no longer do the physical feats he once could as a consequence of his age and by ROTJ, he was fully sick and merely hours away from death by natural causes. Luke's importance lies within his potential being the same as what Anakin could be. However, I will state I agree that Luke's connection with Vader is what ultimately allowed him to win. It does not change that other Jedi in their prime could still theoretically defeat Vader.
Clearly you didn’t watch the video, because I literally explained that before TESB when the spirits can still appear, Vader still doesn’t have full mastery over his mind, he can still be beaten. Watch and listen to what I say before criticising lol how ridiculous 😭
Sure, and as I mentioned in the video, prior to TESB before the darkness gets too bad for the Force Ghosts to intervene, Vader has a load of mental issues, people can beat him early on, which is when Obi-Wan beats him
@@KFVGreaterThanSW I've watched all of his videos and understood everything but I've been studying star wars lore for the past 23 1/2 years and i can say with great confidence that darth vader is extremely weak and is one of the most powerless people in starwars
@@KFVGreaterThanSW Darth Vader, undeniably an iconic figure in the Star Wars universe, is not without perceived weaknesses upon closer scrutiny. While his menacing presence and affiliation with the Dark Side showcase considerable power, Vader's dependence on this malevolent force limits his access to a more balanced use of the Force. Moreover, his emotional instability, rooted in Anakin Skywalker's tragic past, leaves him susceptible to manipulation and compromises his decision-making abilities. The extensive cybernetic enhancements and life support systems that sustain Vader, while crucial for his survival, impose physical limitations, making him slower and less agile in comparison to other Force users. His combat style, described as powerful but methodical, lacks the adaptability needed to face opponents with unorthodox or unpredictable fighting techniques. Vader's failure to reach his prophesized potential as the Chosen One adds to the perception of weakness, and his struggles in lightsaber duels, such as the defeat on Mustafar, underscore vulnerabilities in his technique. Nevertheless, these complexities contribute to the richness of the Star Wars narrative, sparking ongoing discussions and debates within the fan community about the true nature of Darth Vader's strengths and weaknesses.
He got taken down by Obi-Wan and Luke. I wouldn't say he's unbeatable when he had no real Jedi competition to take him down and the two that were just that were able to do so rather reasonably. You fail at this video. I'm not even watching it. I just saw the title and had to comment to something so ridiculous.
@@devontehuntley6274 Well…that’s not the case, since as I outlined - the darkness gets so great that the only way to challenge Vader is to exploit an emotional attachment to him. Contrary to what you may think, I’m not some Star Wars noob making wild unfounded claims, I’ve been part of the Forum community for nearly 10 years making plenty Respect Threads on topics such as this etc, I know how these things work that’s why I explained it in the video
@@StarWarsDecrypted No, you just wasted everyone's time stretching something that's not even that grand or deep just to throw people off. You should be ashamed. And now you want to make silly excuse. No go away.
@@devontehuntley6274 Wasted everyone’s time? I can assure you everything in this video is stuff never covered on TH-cam, in fact TH-cam Star Wars content barely touches the surface on any of this stuff, if I’m wasting time then you watched this video 😭
He isn't unbeatable! The first time he tried to acquire his sith saber the exile jedi he tried to kill and steal it from handed his cybernetic ass you him... well whatever was left of his ass cheeks anyway 😂😂😂
So Skywalker is the force, THE shatter point, the coordinate of the force, his power being the literal cap for all force users. So if he died as Darth Vader without reclaiming his true original self in the light, does that mean his death would literally have ended the force and by extension the galaxy?
Good question but I don't think it would've as force sensitives existed before him
@@bluntslt8023TBF That was before they were linked to him
Proud to say today is my Birthday! this was an nice little gift Val enjoyed the hell out of the video
Happy Birthday mate glad u liked ye present 🤣
Still going strong with your scaling goat.
Might make post ih anakin vs the ones of mortis next
They shouldn't have cut that scene it was pretty cool.
Another reason to say he’s unbeatable is saying “Killing Vader is the same as becoming Vader.” Just look at the force unleashed dark side ending if you killed him you be the same position as Vader as the emperor slave so the emperor and Vader wins. It is the reason why Luke made the right decision to refuse to kill his father and embrace the way of the Jedi through forgiveness and redemption.
The Force always tells the force-sensitives through visions or any sence gift, and it makes it clear that is directing the person's attention that "This matters " and attempts to help them understand what is important and show this will happen collectively, if these actions are done; if it was a turning point then it shows clearly, the Force through the abilities is attempting to help him/her to make the correct choice that is beneficial to the benign person/Jedi or someone else.
Great video bro, super proud
Great video
“Suit Vader > Anakin” - Quarsh🥶🥶
False
@@StarWarsDecrypted Nah. Most Author’s have SV > Anakin per Quarsh.
@@StarWarsDecrypteddebate Quarsh on that in SI, I am banned from the server…
@@Reality-squared Quarsh is wrong
@@StarWarsDecrypted well he believes your scaling and argument are rat and he can debunk it easily…
George also thinks that *together* Luke and Vader can defeat the Emperor. Wouldn’t that mean Vader cannot beat the Emperor alone, so he is below him?
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Good video I’m with you on this, it all makes sense except daegoba is a dark side nexus not a light side one, that’s why the darkened tempts like in his trial.
The force ghosts appearing there I think is simply due to distance from Vader.
Vader clouds out the entire galaxy it’s just because Dagobah is a beacon of light, but your right it does have a dark side cave, but that’s only the cave the rest of the nexus is a light side nexus, the only reason there is any darkness on Dagobah is because a Dark Jedi died there and his energies stained the planet
Glad you enjoyed the video 😃
So wait those living force thread which anakin bear as the chosen one were tied to him by the time of mace windu's death but not before then?
Also if vader were to hypothetically use his attachments as fuel, forgive and accept himself, and return to the light would he reach the level of the (prime) father despite losing limbs?
He bares those attachments since birth but they only become apparent to Mace through shatterpoint at that point, they come and go and are obscured through his perception, but Anakin always has them
Yes that is exactly what we see happen in ROTJ
@@StarWarsDecrypted cool! Thank btw, also you mean that anakin in his final sacrifice was using his full potential to save his son?
@@jonathanroberts3657 It is all of his inner power being let out, but that is still hindered because it is being channeled through less tissue
1 problem = Dagobah was a DARK SIDE nexus, not a light, so if any thing it would've been one of the most difficult places to force ghost. It's why Yoda chose to hide there, the Dark Side nexus hid even his strong signature in the force even if you're standing on the planet. So Vader falling more into darkness has nothing to do with Obi Wan and how he appears. It takes time for Obi to learn the "ghost" abilities so to speak. He's not getting weaker he is getter better at it by rotj, much better if he can do it on even dagobah. Obi Wan was bound by the Force to not interfere in some ways and times. Hence Qui Gon didn't just tell yoda "hey it's Palpatine!". There is certain things they are not allowed to say/do and many times this is all about timing. They cannot interfere with the will of the Force.
Dagobah itself is not a Dark Side Nexus, only the cave is and that’s because a powerful dark Jedi was killed there and his energies stained the energies there, the Light side is strong on Dagobah which is why Kenobi can fully appear and even sit down and interact with the physical on Dagobah but barely appears on Hoth or example, there’s rules for weather or not ghosts can reveal information but appearing is entirely to do with an energy source to appear on, and there is non in the galaxy when Vader purges it
So Vader is nigh unstoppable because as the embodiment of the Force he can turn all the Light Dark or the Dark Light depending on the mentality?
Yep and when he fully empties himself nothing has power over him except the dark side itself embodied in Sidious
@Vaelias How do you think Yoda would do if he tapped into the Darkside do you think he could beat pre ROTJ no conflict Vader?
@@percivalknightoftheflames855 No he would need to be indoctrinated into the Sith, the Sith hold dominion over the dark side of the force
@@StarWarsDecryptedInteresting
Never heard this interpretation of Vader before. It actually makes sense, and seems like a very balanced perspective on his power level. Great job!
When you say he is less powerful than every single jedi/Sith in the prequels? Do you just mean the main characters? Or does that also include obscure jedi like Kit Fisto, Plo Koon, Shaak Ti, even younglings lmao?
It extends to everybody we see use a lightsaber, Lucas was very specific about showing off distinct fighting styles for every Jedi (even background characters) to show how the Jedi in the Golden Age are the best ever, i wouldn’t say younglings are better, I think most Padawans would be however
@@StarWarsDecrypted I personally take it to mean just the main characters, because we actually see them visibly fight, showcasing their impressive abilities. it wouldn't make sense for a rando Jedi who died to a Battle Droid in the Geonosis arena to be >Vader. I highly doubt Lucas thinks that.
@@SGK1206 Well if we are extending this forward into AOTC Lucas actually explicitly confirms that every Jedi there faces challenges greater than any before, meaning that every one of those Jedi who survives, survives a threat that exceeded any other threat in history, he also says that every Jedi has their own fighting style in that movie, and the reason for that is to show they are greater, not to mention all of the council far exceed Jinn and Kenobi in TPM anyways
Anything made unter Lucas reign is cannon
Disney's bastardized version of star wars...to me....are nothing but "MOD's"
So that makes Luke the actual Chosen One.
@@aaroncarney7733 No not really just the catalyst in which Anakin is able to come back to the light, the chosen one prophecy was inclusive of Anakin destroying the Jedi
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I covered that in the video
@jaquariusrodgers7299 Lies. Look at the fight again, she was on the defensive in the whole fight. She is then incapicitated by a force push. Then she gets one lucky strike on him while he was distracted by Kanan and Ezra lol
Off Topic but how do you feel about Canon Suit Vader>MFV? Personally I don't even buy SV being above IH Anakin but the community sure thinks otherwise
I don’t bother with canon, but everything I talk about is based on film content which is also part of canon, and although there is no canon hierarchy in the canon timeline the team does acknowledge that the film stuff is the most valued, so it should all just override any inconsistent contradictory notions in the new EU, the continuity team doesn’t seem to care about… continuity anymore, funnily enough, so I just don’t bother with that timeline
If that scene was canon, what would be the explanation for Revan appearing as a dark side user. He was redeemed. Filoni once again pretending to be a "EU nerd."
Well we do see Vader appear as a Sith Spirit too, it’s just a memory of him that exists within the Mortis energies, same with how Vader appears to Cade
@@StarWarsDecrypted how would Revan be related to Mortis to have his energy here? Would SWTOR have had to write a story about Mortis instead of Shadow of Revan?
@@АлексейМомот-щ7оthe energy of Every being that ever lived exists on Mortis, that’s the reason why Qui-Gon can appear there, it’s the same with Revan, SWTOR actually acknowledges Mortis exists too
@@StarWarsDecrypted where SWTOR mentions Mortis?
@@АлексейМомот-щ7о There’s a Sith named Darth Mortis who named himself after the planet, there’s also several in game abilities named after The One’s
Would darth vader beat goku?
He Stomps that fodder
I don’t do Anime, nor do I think there is any truth to be found in cross verse comparisons, but he’s the embodiment of god, so I don’t see how Vader isn’t going to win, he’d simply nerf the powers of those he fights
@Vaelias Based Take although Anakin wouldn't even need to with the kind of AP, Speed & Hax at his disposal
@@percivalknightoftheflames855no he doesn’t
@Lordtenebrous88 Yes he does lmfao Fodderku isn't even above 3-A Force users casually reach High 1-A
Can he beat dooku???????
Not conventionally, In a vacuum Dooku is far more powerful and skilled, but if he was fighting Vader he would be capped below Vader’s on strength and skill and wouldn’t be as strong because of the mechanics covered in this video, Vader weighs down all his opponents with clouding and fear so he can’t be beaten unless that opponent has an emotional attachment to exploit to get around that.
@@StarWarsDecrypted Also factor in that Vader hates Dooku, and has no emotional hindrance that Dooku could benefit from. So Vader would just use his hate to fuel him and eventually overwhelm the Count
That's demonsterably wrong. Luke Skywalker beat him.
When he is conflicted lol he didn't beat Vader who is completely in the Darkness not to mention Luke had to tap into the Darkside to even win
Palpatine could beat Vader easily if we're talking in the suit, and Luke only beat Vader in ROTJ due to him giving into his anger and Vader being emotionally confused due to Luke actually getting through to Anakin. People claim Luke's skill's actually had surpassed Vader's by the time of their duel but I'm sorry that makes no sense. Only like 6 months to a year passed between Empire and Jedi so no way could that short amount of time be enough for Luke training Solo to surpass a guy who spent decades training and even re-training himself in the force and Lightsaber combat, not to mention Luke wasn't just training non-stop he was still active with the rebel's and the hunt for Han.
Palpatine couldn’t in sabers, through the force? sure, I will get round to making a video explaining Palpatine’s place in all of this, but essentially the only reason Palpatine is alive is because he is leaching off Vaders Force presence, light is life and there’s no light in Palpatine, as soon as Vader relinquishes Palpatine’s mental hold on him Palpatine is powerless.
On the topic of Luke vs Vader as I touched on in the video Luke is the only person who can beat Vader because of the darkness, Luke needs to exploit an emotional attachment to him to redeem him, the only reason Luke is able to grow so strong in this darkness is because of this connection, do not discount Luke’s skill though, dozens of sources note Luke as an equal of Vader and above when tapping into the dark side, Vader is seriously hampered because of his injuries and is slow, albeit still the best swordsman in the galaxy at the time, Luke’s victory is more a consequence of power, power that can only be achieved through his attachment to The Chosen One
@@StarWarsDecryptedfunnily enough Vader stalemated Palpatine in Issue 40, while also handling a bunch of troopers lol
@@StarWarsDecrypted Except that does not work. Palpatine did not leach on Vader and on many occasions was willing to replace Vader. More importantly, Palpatine also saw Vader's remaining light as a problem, not a solution and was actively seeking to purge it from him. I doubt Palpatine would jeopardize his own existence over that. Nor does it explain things such as Palpatine's survival in the alternate TFU ending of Galen killing Vader. It also does not explain Palpatine's ability to live in Dark Empire. On the topic of Luke, again while Luke is the only one who 100% defeated Vader, he was far from the only one that could as the Darth Maul clone almost defeated Vader and Galen outright defeated him. While I will be fair in your mention of pre ESB separation, and of Vader's own psychological factors, but even that not only falls on a convenience that for the most part does not exist, it also ignores that Vader is not the only factor within the galaxy's darkness. As if it was, then the dark side would weaken from Vader's mental conflict which started at the end of ESB.
@@kingorange7739 I talk about how masters leach on their apprentices in my Master and Apprentice Video, that is how Palpatine is leaching on Vaders Living Force presence “The shadow gathers you unto itself”
Sure Palpatine thinks Vaders light is a weakness, it is, he is incapable of stopping himself “burning in his own flame” but if he could embrace it rather than ignore it, it would fuel him, Dark Lord Rise of Darth Vader talks about how Vader in the suit could still surpass Palpatine if he embraced his pain, those mental injuries are what is the source of most of his handicaps.
I touched on the Force Unleashed stuff in the video, before the darkness gets to the point where the spirits can’t appear in the galaxy, Vader can be beaten, TESB onwards he purges his mind such that the only way to beat him is through an emotional connection to him, or else Yoda would be a better option to go and take down the Sith, Palpatine still exists independent of Vader, Vaders just the host he feeds on, I don’t see why any of this would affect Dark Empire
@@StarWarsDecrypted It effects Dark Empire because if you are suggesting that Palpatine's survival was dependent on Vader on a host, he should not be able to survive afterwards, yet he did. As mentioned, if Vader's stake was that high, then how would TFU's alternate ending even be possible? As you would basically be suggesting (again), that Vader's death before redemption would essentially destroy the whole universe. As for ESB onward, I really do not see where a notion of Vader being unbeatable would stem even in post ESB given his conflict did not cease there and if anything grew.
Also I won't deny Dark Lord the Rise of Darth Vader making mention of Vader still theoretically surpassing Sidious. However not only did that only exist in theory but on top of that George made clear that Vader was only at 80% of Palpatine's power.
Also Yoda realistically would not have been a better option because of how old he was. We have to forget that even in ESB, he could no longer do the physical feats he once could as a consequence of his age and by ROTJ, he was fully sick and merely hours away from death by natural causes. Luke's importance lies within his potential being the same as what Anakin could be. However, I will state I agree that Luke's connection with Vader is what ultimately allowed him to win. It does not change that other Jedi in their prime could still theoretically defeat Vader.
How ridiculous. Calling him unbeatable when He was beaten down twice by Obi Wan. Lol stupid video
Clearly you didn’t watch the video, because I literally explained that before TESB when the spirits can still appear, Vader still doesn’t have full mastery over his mind, he can still be beaten.
Watch and listen to what I say before criticising lol how ridiculous 😭
Vader is essentially unbeatable it takes extraordinary circumstances for one to even best him
@DK.Zarvend Yeah he would have been insane
After the events of the ot isn't Jerec superior to vader.
In The Living Force probably.
Except we just saw obiwan beat him. Lol
Sure, and as I mentioned in the video, prior to TESB before the darkness gets too bad for the Force Ghosts to intervene, Vader has a load of mental issues, people can beat him early on, which is when Obi-Wan beats him
it's not that simple 💀
darth vader weak af
i agree, vaelias is a fraud star wars fan
ur wrong bro@@KFVGreaterThanSW
@@KFVGreaterThanSW I've watched all of his videos and understood everything but I've been studying star wars lore for the past 23 1/2 years and i can say with great confidence that darth vader is extremely weak and is one of the most powerless people in starwars
@@KFVGreaterThanSW Darth Vader, undeniably an iconic figure in the Star Wars universe, is not without perceived weaknesses upon closer scrutiny. While his menacing presence and affiliation with the Dark Side showcase considerable power, Vader's dependence on this malevolent force limits his access to a more balanced use of the Force. Moreover, his emotional instability, rooted in Anakin Skywalker's tragic past, leaves him susceptible to manipulation and compromises his decision-making abilities. The extensive cybernetic enhancements and life support systems that sustain Vader, while crucial for his survival, impose physical limitations, making him slower and less agile in comparison to other Force users. His combat style, described as powerful but methodical, lacks the adaptability needed to face opponents with unorthodox or unpredictable fighting techniques. Vader's failure to reach his prophesized potential as the Chosen One adds to the perception of weakness, and his struggles in lightsaber duels, such as the defeat on Mustafar, underscore vulnerabilities in his technique. Nevertheless, these complexities contribute to the richness of the Star Wars narrative, sparking ongoing discussions and debates within the fan community about the true nature of Darth Vader's strengths and weaknesses.
@@nathanielthrams9052Power wise sure but not mechanically wise
He got taken down by Obi-Wan and Luke. I wouldn't say he's unbeatable when he had no real Jedi competition to take him down and the two that were just that were able to do so rather reasonably. You fail at this video. I'm not even watching it. I just saw the title and had to comment to something so ridiculous.
This comment in itself is ridiculous, Maybe if you watched the video you’d see the part where I explained that
@@StarWarsDecrypted Then it just further shows why this video was unnecessary. Case closed.
@@devontehuntley6274 Well…that’s not the case, since as I outlined - the darkness gets so great that the only way to challenge Vader is to exploit an emotional attachment to him.
Contrary to what you may think, I’m not some Star Wars noob making wild unfounded claims, I’ve been part of the Forum community for nearly 10 years making plenty Respect Threads on topics such as this etc, I know how these things work that’s why I explained it in the video
@@StarWarsDecrypted No, you just wasted everyone's time stretching something that's not even that grand or deep just to throw people off. You should be ashamed. And now you want to make silly excuse. No go away.
@@devontehuntley6274 Wasted everyone’s time? I can assure you everything in this video is stuff never covered on TH-cam, in fact TH-cam Star Wars content barely touches the surface on any of this stuff, if I’m wasting time then you watched this video 😭
He isn't unbeatable! The first time he tried to acquire his sith saber the exile jedi he tried to kill and steal it from handed his cybernetic ass you him... well whatever was left of his ass cheeks anyway 😂😂😂
Yeah early on before the darkness grows he can be beaten, I explained this in the video