The idea that Lumon might actually be raising babies and can make the severed employees see goats instead is not one I had considered. That is chilling.
Hi, Lee! As wild as it sounds, it could turn out to be true. There are a few other scenes where the idea kind of fits the narrative. I'm hoping we get an answer in the next season.
This theory can explain why Mrs. Cobel is so good with Eleanore and knows so much about breastfeeding. Probably she worked with "goats" before becoming floor's boss.
I don't believe that they'd need to hide babies from severed employees since they don't have much of a concept of morality or normalcy to think there would be anything wrong with lab grown infants (Helley being the only variable there)
@@1LElife possibly, although I think for most humans, babies are inherently triggering. Adult response to babies is instinctive and goes beyond socialisation. So the mere sight and sound of human babies might stir curiosity, concern, protective feelings, and just be generally upsetting and discombobulating for the innies in a way that goats would not. I don’t think it’s a likely scenario anyway though.
I don't think it makes children appear to be goats. Innie mark saw his sister's child as a normal baby while activated at the party. If it altered perception like that, it would look like she was walking around with a goat in her arms.
I like the theory that the positions severed employees have is aimed at further refinement of the severance chip: macrodata refinement has emotions triggered in sorting data; OandD is about meaning and associations with objects; baby goats is about empathy. Each job collects data, to be applied to the advancement of the severance chip.
i took the numbers to represent neural pathways and they were identifying the emotion linked to a thought/memory for an AI. kinda how google maps get you to identify stop signs in photos to further train their algorithm to identify objects. goats to help identify compassion and empathy would match with the mayors wife being a severed parent and needing to research that area further.
A chip being able to indentify emotions, and potentially turn them off, would reap billions. Soldiers would never be scared. Voters could be easily cowed into voting a specific way. Buyers could be made to desire a certain type of product (or be reviled at a competitor). Let alone your employees never needing to leave early because of "x emergency". Such a dark concept.
The whole show seems to revolve around birthing and children, but it is not obvious. The terms innies and outie can be references to belly buttons which come from the "severing" of the umbilical cord. Cobel's/ Selving way with babies and nursing and how she treated the doll after showing Mark's sister how to nurse was violent. Mark's sister gave birth, and then there was the trauma of thinking she had lost her baby. The senator's wife, who was severed, doesn't remember giving birth to escape the trauma of bringing life into the world. In the Lexington letter, the innies seem child-like, like the severance puts the person in a pure state. Then there is the adolescent deodorant, adolescents being the time when kids start experiencing more trauma and become tainted by the world around them. The lady who kills the Lumon security guard says that the company infantilizes its employees. Finally, baby goats are called kids. It has something to do with kids
Hmm interesting! I like your thought process. I would also say, to add onto it, the conversation in ep. 9 with Helly and her father was interesting in the story it told- namely, Helly was a small child when she saw the severance chip for the first time and was enthralled by it- and also her fathers wording when he revealed Lumons expansion plan (“They’ll all be Kiers children”). I do think this applies in a religious, pastoral sense with the religon of Kier practiced at Lumon, but also the theme of youth that you explained very well. I can’t wait to see what they explore in season 2 with this!
@@anneg3065your comment reminded me of the Hitler Youth leading up to and during WW2. Hitler had always said that the future of the Nazi Party was through the Nazification of the Aryan race. His overall goal was to indoctrinate an entire generation of youth that had never known anything other than Aryan supremacy and Nazi indoctrination from birth with no need of brain washing … I think this could be the goal of the Severance Company and it’s truly horrific and chilling! On another more extended note, I personally see so many parallels between the Severance company and Nazi Germany. The innie life could be likened to a more palatable concentration camp for the innies, where they are forced to work, tortured if they disobey, and it’s heavily implied that they are undergoing malicious medical treatments/experiements (ie. Mark’s wife still being alive but fired from her innie job), I could go on… but the truly sinister thing is that this is all happening covertly away from the eyes of the rest of the world. It’s very similar to WW2. Before the concentration camps were discovered, they had only been rumors to the world at large and after being discovered and exposed to the world, people were horrified to see how horrific these “camps” really were. There’s also a twist of the book 1984 in the show with all the softened and sometimes outright false names/nomenclature in the innie world. Much like in 1984 the “Ministry of Love” should be named “Ministry of Torture” since that’s where people were tortured into compliance to the party, in Severance the “Break Room” was not a place to relax from work but was instead a place meant to break your will (no pun intended) and was designed to torture you into compliance with the Severance company. But I digress… all in all, this show in 1 season was able to piece together some of the most dystopian aspects of so many historical and fictional events in human history in a jarring and mesmerizing way. Thank you for coming to my TedTalk 😂
It was funny to hear that the goats were originally just a throw away scene, and now the writers are working to retconn them in. So it may be that even they do not know why yet, but they may be visiting your channel and taking the best ideas :D
Hey, Raven! Oh, that would be something lol. I bet they comb the reddits looking for ideas, trying to gauge the reaction to them. I trust they will come up with something that will blow our minds. I mean, look at the writing so far!
Oh man, I never even considered cloning. What if Lumen is trying to perfect cloning to make new, perfect bodies for their executives (that is, the revolving)? The next season can’t come out soon enough. Great work!
IKR! That's exactly what I was thinking - it's about the "revolving". The Eagans are on chips somehow, and Lumon's main goal is to get them perfect host(s).
@@nautilusfiles the Eagans don’t even need to be on chips- lumon only needs the exact ratio of their 4 tempers to recreate that person’s “character”. My personal belief is that the macrodats are sorting the Eagans’ or kier’s data into the 4 tempers so lumon will effectively have a recipe to recreate a temperament clone. Not necessarily a clone with their memories or the same body (but the goats might be part of body cloning), but if Kier is so perfect / godlike just reproducing his character is enough. Unfortunately no idea what the macro data might be. As you pointed out the technology wasn’t really there when kier was alive, but they certainly know a lot about him… loving your videos keep the content coming thank you!
id say there is some kind of second world on the floor underneath the level, that we saw in season 1 and where Mrs. Casey/Gemma went to. there is a spot on Pete's Map, where it says "people live here". for that reason they need animals and all kinds of stuff there, also the tools that Optics & Design created.
I LOVED the Helly vs Helena plot line. One thing I especially loved was the complexity of getting revenge on one half of yourself because it’d be easy to just end your own life, but that wouldn’t be revenge because Helena would have been unaware. So, she needed to kilo herself in such a way that Helena would both realize it was her and not be able to stop it. I also love how it dovetails w/themes such as self-hate, masochism, if your mind was transferred into another body would you still be, etc.
This is exactly the type of content I was looking to watch for 15th, once I finish my 1st rewatch on 15th. It's the perfect time since by the time I get home from work on 16th the new season will be out. I'm heading back to watch episode 4 tonight and will be back on 15th :D
I love your videos, they are really well-edited and your narration is really... comforting? Your voice's timbre is very pleasing. Thank you for filling the void in my life ever since I finished Season 1. In the future, I will look to your videos as an example when I make my own. :)
Now that they've seen success and got renewed, I hope they avoid throwing in crazy scenes like this before coming up with explanations. Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely down for whatever explanations they came up with after the fact, I just hope they plan a bit more carefully in the future. While I have no idea what the plot significance of the goats is, the goats are definitely being used as some sort of symbolism, and thats probably why they included the scene in the first place. There's lots of goat imagery in Rickon's house, but why? Is it to show a secret connection between Rickon/Mark's sister and Lumon? Are goats just supposed to be symbols of a cult (Lumon is very cult like, Rickon's friends sort of seem to cultishly worship him and his nonsense). No idea. Can't wait to see more theories on Cobel and hopefully a character analysis of my favorite Macrodat, Dylan G.
Knowing that the explanation was an afterthought is not very reassuring. Given how well the first season was written and directed is the only thing keeping me optimistic about the future of the series. Writing a pilot season without a fully fleshed out roadmap is becoming the norm, unfortunately. I guess that's showbusiness these days.
@@nautilusfiles I guess It's a little bit better than writing a single pilot episode and then writing each episode in 1 week. Either way, I can't help but get my hopes up for season 2, even though I've been burned before by Westworld, Lost, Ozark, and many more. Hope Stiller, Erikson, and the team can live up to expectations.
There have been times where the writers wrote themselves into a corner without properly planning in advance, and then wrote themselves out of it pretty well. Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul did this a lot, for example. For example, Walter getting a car with a machine gun in the trunk at the start of season 5? They had no clue where that's gonna go at the time. There wasn't ever a very fleshed out plan in advance and they still managed to write it pretty well. It is, admittedly, a very hard way to write, especialy in a mystery show such as this one. But I don't think one way of writing is better than the other, they both have their benefits. As long as the writing keeps being as good as it is, we will problably not even be able to tel.
Just binged all your vids and subscribed. Your subscriber count does NOT reflect the quality of your videos, which absolutely SLAP. Great discussions and analysis, keep it up!!
If they can make this one work, it would be the most interesting direction for the story, I'm sure. It would defy the expectations of most of the audience.
I love the final theory in particular. I have seen all of Black Mirror and some things in the show made me think of that episode where the little girl has a 'censorship' chip, blurring everything non-PG, even her own injuries, leading to stunted development. Not just the goats but the numbers they are sorting. They are seeing images that elicit emotional responses, which makes me wonder if the chip is censoring the images into numbers, while their subconsciousnesses still experience the reactions to the images. This is in some way giving insight into how to manipulate these responses. As for the goats, I didn't catch all of the other references to goats, and cloning wasn't my first thought either, it was that it was another test - can they have something disturbing happening (it could be babies or toddlers) right in front of their employees' eyes, and have them walk on by, completely with no reaction. I feel like it adds up in that direction. Anyway, great vids - thanks!
Hi, Phantomdance! This is certainly on my to-do list. I'm thinking it will be a video about all the rooms and spaces we know about and what sorts of theories exist surrounding them.
@@nautilusfiles Donno i could see a full essay on the Perpetuity Wing in general, though I suppose you could fold it into Wellness also. A comparison to Irving's buildup of Perpetuity to the oddly prosaic reality of an odd little room with mannequins made up to look like the Eagan's along with the bonkers replica built down there in the bowels of Lumon.
Yeah I think they’re used to test the chips. MDR refining the 4 tempers to create the “ideal human” then sticking them in goats to see if it will tame them. Nice work! Digging these Severance theories!
Your channel is the only one out of my thousand plus subscriptions that I actually have the bell turned on for. You’re THAT good lol (Referencing the scene from the stepbrothers movie where will ferrel is talking about being the songbird of his generation. “THAT good”)
The blood sacrifice one makes sense in that you typically pick the unblemished from the herd for sacrifice, you’ll need a herd to have selection. Also, depending on the size of the sacrifice and quantity of blood needed you may need more than one goat.
I’m so excited for the upcoming videos!! If you are looking for video suggestions- I know I particularly am interested in the Lexington Letter. One of the things I find interesting about it is that both Peggy and Gemma are attached to Lumon in some way and they were both in car crashes. It seems suspicious.
Ah, yes, the car crashes. There are at least 3 in the story, I believe. Definitely not a coincidence. Good idea! The Lexington Letter would make a great subject for a video.
One thing I noticed and a theory I’ve seen revolves around his reaction to people coming in the door. He’s not surprised and doesn’t freak out like “who are you” or “why are you here”. People have come to the door to take the goats before, and this is familiar to him. That’s why he’s only got 2 things to say “they’re not ready yet” and “get the hell out”. The theory is that he recognizes Helena, that she’d been there before to take goats.
I wonder if you know how funny you are in these videos. Monotone slipped in lines, "Not those kids, these kids". 😂You have at least one if not more in every video. I literally lol and I love it.
LOL honestly, I just make the videos like I'm talking to a friend, so you're seeing my usual sarcastic and dry attempt at humor. I'm just it made you laugh. Thanks for stopping by,Trish!
I did not react to any of the theories; I enjoyed each theory equally. May I return to my desk now? Really, though, awesome video! There’s a whole lot to think about there. Your roomful of baby-goat theories is just like a roomful of baby goats! Mysterious and just plain bizarre... Seriously, I think the baby goats are tied up in the whole "revolving" thing. There’s something about transferring consciousness from one person to another in there - i.e. Helena’s father has Kier’s consciousness/personality/knowledge/memories that have been passed down from CEO to CEO over the past 120+ years. My theory is that this has been done in some mystical, cult-related way but that Lumon is trying to turn create a technological way to do it. They could create an army of super-workers who retain all the knowledge and skills of their predecessors by just transferring each worker’s consciousness to a new body. Now, where those new bodies come from is the big question. Is Ms. Casey part of the experimentation? Is she a clone of Gemma? Was she dead but somehow resurrected/reanimated to be used as a "blank canvas" or first-generation worker? Would Lumon use people like her to transfer consciousness into at some point in the future? Are the baby goats being used in such a way, having been cloned? Or are they just plain baby goats that will have an older goat’s consciousness implanted and tested? It’s all about "revolving," I tell you.
Yeah, I think that is Lumon's endgame. The goats are somehow facilitating things. I also agree when it comes to the Eagan's living on, disembodied, on chips somehow. Perhaps in Jame, or by some other vessel that is will soon be in Helly. I also think they are the board, and that is why they have trouble speaking. Still, I am very curious to see how they work these goats into the story.
This was posted two years ago so I'm SUPER late to the party here, but cloning would add some interesting context to the news coverage we hear about the woman who came out of Lumon pregnant.
I really want to know why there are goat statues in Devon's and Ricken's home. There are actual goats and paintings in Lumon, goats in Cobel's shrine, a goat is one of the 4 tempers, and at least 2 statues in Devon's and Ricken's home: one in the nursery (indoctrinating the baby?), and one in the den. I think a good part of Kier has been severed. Whether they are active or not remains to be seen. Ricken and his friends appear active, Devon does not (but probably will have her switched flipped by Cobel right at the beginning of Season 2 because of what Cobel knows she now knows). There's more of a connection between Lumon and Devon (or maybe Ricken) than that which we were initially led to believe. Remember when Ricken's book was brought into the office Cobel made a telling comment to Milchick, something to the effect of "Ugh. That's his 5th one", or something like that. I wonder if one is the descendant of the Egan Black Sheep Irv mentioned. But, either way, they're being watched too. And, why do they *think* they have goats in their home? Do they just like them? Doubtful. Did someone give them to them? Maybe. Or do they not even know on a conscious level that they are they and not even give them a second thought? It's also worth noting again that when Petey presented a threat, they attempted to eliminate him. When Mark, Ricken and Devon present a threat, they will/do not. There's a family connection here.
OK, so you're gonna make me say it... I think Ricken is way more important to the story than the writers want us to believe right now. He has all the markings of being one of those characters we're meant to dismiss, but dude turns out to be a major player. You're onto something here, because having goats in the house is too weird of a coincidence imo. Yeah, some people are saying he might be an Eagan, as in Helly's (half)brother. I think that might be true. Jame might be the father he said he doesn't want to be like. It's a bit of a reach, but I think all that stuff he says in his book is essentially Kier's real teachings in his own words. The ideas in the book conflict with Lumon, a corporatized version of the cult who have fallen off the path, so to speak. Basically, Lumon is no longer in line with Kiers teachings because they've abused it for power, but Ricken, like some kind of goof-troop prophet is going to be the savior who will set everything right again. This might explain, in part, why Cobel wants to break Severance but not destroy Lumon.
This is a minor point, but I noticed that both Helly and Rickon have red hair. It made me wonder whether they were related. Or it could just be a coincidence.
@@nautilusfiles it almost mirrors the old and new testaments with Ricken being a cult leader/ new testament figure. Burt has a throw away line he's more of a 'book 1 guy' and 'Kier speaks to us in many ways'. With all the references to hell, this might be something the writer's intended. Ricken also has the journalist connections in NY that Devon referred to with Mark's innie. I figure they might be part of the group trying to bring Lumen down that Petey referred to all the way back in episode 1.
This is interesting. On my second watch-through I noticed the goat-man being whipped, with other actual humans, by Keir in the painting that Irving & Burt meet for the first time in front of and are discussing. I had forgot about the goats in Devon and Ricken's home (though I now remember seeing at least one of them the first time I watched). The creators say the baby goat scene was thrown in early on and now has to be worked in but perhaps that piece of information is a red herring itself - especially considering all the various goat iconography and references in other scenes/episodes. I def have my suspicions that Ricken and Devon are somehow, unbeknownst to them, involved with Lumon. Harmony seems to be tapped into their goings-on when she steps in as their lactation counselor - also, Devon told Mark she went through a list of suggested lactation counselors given to her by Alexa & I had wondered if Alexa was sent by Lumon to keep an eye on Devon, Ricken, and/or Mark. Also, how did Petey know where to find Mark when he was standing outside the Hale home the first time Mark saw him that night after the food-free dinner. He couldn't have followed Devon after picking Mark up from his home because he (Petey) didn't have a vehicle of his own. So many questions - esp after the second watch-through. Can't wait for Season 2!
Firstly, great video! Your research, scripting, presentation, and delivery are all excellent- great work! Secondly, I’d love to see a theory video on all the people who are potentially severed - and the implications of that. For instance, Ms Casey / Cobel, Mark’s brother-in-law & friends, Gemma (before her accident)… bring out all the tin foil, eh! :)
Thank you so much! Now that's a great idea for a video. You know we're going to find out at least one character we never suspected, was severed the entire time. Thanks for the idea!
Given that a goat is prominent in that one subjugation painting and later shows up as a participant in the waffle party, there's definitely a lot of goat related shenanigans happening at lumon, probably a lot more than what this scene implies
I have watched a lot of your videos. I haven’t watched them all. I’m on that journey, but have you talked about what the hell was going on with all those burlesque dancers for Dylan in the perpetuity wing and what that was about?
I’m going for testing on animals ie chip testing research and development . Or cloning as sheep and goats common with this. Loving these videos I’m soooo obsessed with this show
I think something that needs to be considered is that it was REALLY easy for the team to randomly stumble upon the goats. Like, they weren't even trying. Their own work is hidden from them, but these goats had no security precautions or anything. That means one of three things: 1. Your final theory is correct or partially correct, and they're not actually goats. This would line up because the simple lie would be the security precaution in itself (same as the numbers on their screens are representative of something else). 2. The goats' purpose is relatively mundane such that their existence is not a big enough secret in itself. 3. It's a red herring. Like not just for us, but for Mark and Helly themselves, intentionally placed there to confuse them. I don't think that third one really works though. For one thing, it'd just be an unsatisfying answer. For another, if that's a red herring then it's a bad one. It only encouraged Mark and Helly to want more answers and dig deeper. So it doesn't really serve a function the way something like the "coup paintings" do. For the middle point (purpose is mundane), I feel like testing chips makes the most sense. Cloning would be a big deal and probably hidden a bit better. If they're performing sacrifices, then that would also be a game-changer, and it'd be a bit odd to leave them out in the open. So I'm leaning toward either chips or human babies.
I originally wrote about the door being open and how odd a choice that was in my script, but I had to cut it out. The question is whether that is because it was an impromptu decision by the writers to even have the scene or because it was written in as something management wanted Mark and Helly to find.
I totally love the alternative viewpoint theory where they are not seeing reality because of the implant. I think the data is a representation of something else they are really looking at. The goat/baby connection is next level. FWIW, Christopher Walkin's character works in the Optics laboratory. It is possible that the entire operation actually looks very different than what they think it is. Maybe they are training their clones.
The goats are so weird the answer has to be super weird for it to be satisfying. Lumons main ethos is conquering emotions, so I like the idea that their somehow related to that, maybe somehow taking pieces of a persons personality, and putting them in the goats, who knows. The care takers distress makes it clear the goats won't have a happy end, thats for sure.
Yeah, I think you're right. It has to be related to MDR's work in some way to make it worth including in the story. It's such a jarring scene that needs an explanation that measures up. Using the goats to facilitate severance would tie in well while verifying just how bananas Lumon is when you peek behind the curtain.
Apparently the whole scene with the goats were just supposed to be a wacky one-off joke just showing how strange and weird the Lumen workplace is in general in a funny way, and we weren't actually supposed to see any follow up about them. But, there had been so much fan speculation and obsession over this specific scene that they've decided to actually work these goats into the plotline somehow for future seasons, lol.
It makes sense that they just added this for optimal weirdness. But now I wonder how h they fit them in the story. .. as if I wasn’t excited enough for the second season!
Imagine being able to admit a scene was thrown in like that without getting a bunch of flack for it. It just goes to show how good the show is and how much the fans trust the showrunners to make good on it.
My hypothesis is there are not only one "innie" there, if there are multiple "innie lives," they wouldn't know if all 4 members of MDR were periodically switched together, for example "monday innie, tuesday innie, ..." 🙂 This is a reason for prohibiting/not recommending strolling on hallways, because in this scenario, you could meet others who know you only as a different innie, so the "butcher" said "it's not ready" (or something), because he thinks he's talking to another innie than to the one we're presenting to believe is the only one.
Your last theory about the goats being literal kids reminded me of the Hitler Youth leading up to and during WW2. Hitler had always said that the future of the Nazi Party was through the Nazification of the Aryan race. His overall goal was to indoctrinate an entire generation of youth that had never known anything other than Aryan supremacy and Nazi indoctrination from birth with no need of brain washing … I think this could be the goal of the Severance Company and it’s truly horrific and chilling! On another more extended note, I personally see so many parallels between the Severance company and Nazi Germany. The innie life could be likened to a more palatable concentration camp for the innies, where they are forced to work, tortured if they disobey, and it’s heavily implied that they are undergoing malicious medical treatments/experiements (ie. Mark’s wife still being alive but fired from her innie job), I could go on… but the truly sinister thing is that this is all happening covertly away from the eyes of the rest of the world. It’s very similar to WW2. Before the concentration camps were discovered, they had only been rumors to the world at large and after being discovered and exposed to the world, people were horrified to see how horrific these “camps” really were. There’s also a twist of the book 1984 in the show with all the softened and sometimes outright false names/nomenclature in the innie world. Much like in 1984 the “Ministry of Love” should be named “Ministry of Torture” since that’s where people were tortured into compliance to the party, in Severance the “Break Room” was not a place to relax from work but was instead a place meant to break your will (no pun intended) and was designed to torture you into compliance with the Severance company. But I digress… all in all, this show in 1 season was able to piece together some of the most dystopian aspects of so many historical and fictional events in human history in a jarring and mesmerizing way. Thank you for coming to my TedTalk 😂h
Here's my theory: Mrs. Cobel is a die-hard fan of Lumon and Keir. But she is taking her devotion to the next level, wholly disapproved by the single-member Board, Jame Eagan. This is why her actions with Mark and his family are questioned by Milchick, Natalie, Graner. She takes this devotion to an unhealthy level, stalking Mark, and maybe even ordering harsher methods (torture) of Innies. Natalie was right when she fired Cobel. Also, i do not think she or Natalie, Milchick or Graner are severed. Lumon needs upper management in their full senses to operate the experiment the way it was supposedly designed. She is probably related to Charlotte, but not her clone. The image she worships at home is a painting of Keir. Somehow, Lumon doesn't show photographs, except for the Innies at the event. Also one of the 4 tempers is Malice, who wears Mrs. Cobel's hair. She is evil. I don't think she has any good intentions.
My theory is that Lumon is building a huge commune compound. Think about it, they were mass producing hatchets, watering cans, weird educational cards.. they have goats and “bibles”… etc. the kind of stuff you’d need to live and farm, grow food, livestock. Perhaps that’s a reward for the best severed or another experiment to see if severed can work in the real world, and take care of themselves and a farm.
I just thought of that Black Mirror episode and thought, hrm... maybe there is no (spoon) Goat. Mostly because I first thought on your #4 video how their work was refining something already implanted in potential workers.. also referenced in that video as to expectation of more workers.
Cloning is still on the table if you consider that the chip may contain someone’s digitized consciousness, and when their body dies it would be “revolved” into a clone’s grown body
I thought when I first saw the show that the goat thing had to do with someone’s personal trauma maybe as a child or adult. Where they had a time in their life that a small animal or animals (baby goats) were taken away from them after forming an attachment. They decided to “sever” this traumatic event and now it’s housed in a “wing” of lumon. I thought maybe lumon can sever traumatic events/memories and this is how they do it.
Forget about the furphies. The goats are just there because of the "pumping" of Mark's sister for milk production for her baby! Some kind of poetic parallel!
I think the clone theory makes sense bc even the story o&d told would kind of line up with that and would explain all the marks in the beginning sequence But I also think there's connection with the goat and one of the tempers bc one of them is depicted in the portrait of kier taming the tempers
I think that those separate rooms are other severed minds' subconscious. Goat-Boy is a severed mind waiting to have his Severance chip refined or is a refiner from a different office. Afterall, the office is located in Topeka.
I like the testing of chip maybe for former eagans. The goats are symbolic of cloning more than the physical part. A wild guess but Helly is supposed to be used as a vessel for a past Eagan on the future
Yup, idkman, I think that's the game. It seems like the logical conclusion, with so many clues pointing to Lumon's main goal being to prolong life indefintely through severance. They need severed people to do the actual work of perfecting the process for them, in the meantime.
@@nautilusfiles agreed, I start to think of the show is about truly about anything more than the characters. I’m starting to feel like it’s all about the characters and “the heart at conflict with itself”(GRR Martin line). The politician’s wife with the not wanting to remember being pregnant is a enclosed story of itself, don’t need to explore it any more. Lexington letter was about Peggy loving her otherself,Helly innie is maybe how outie helly truly feels, not wanting to follow in the families footsteps(pre-rec monologue is season finale seemed scripted and fake.Marks battle with grieving, etc
Just going to off-topic beg you to watch the BBC's Jekyll miniseries with James Nesbitt if you haven't. Older but SO good. And if you do or have OH PLLLLEASE do a video on it. That show deserves so much more love and I really think it has strong appeal for Severance fans. Different people in a single body, evil corporations, nailbiting suspense, characters that feel real and that you care about. Pretty please with a Music Dance Experience on top?
“Do not boil a young goat in its mother's milk” -- Exodus 23:19, Exodus 34:26, and Deuteronomy 14:21. This is a Jewish dietary law. It is cruel and unnatural to make a mother an accomplice in her own child's death. Themes of birth and food contamination are everywhere in the series. Milchick's name (milchick, milchig) means milk or dairy food -- ovo-lacto-vegetarian -- which is not to be combined with flesh food (fleichick, fleichig) because of this dietary rule. Thus the food that innies eat at Lumon is all milchick -- fruits, seeds, nuts, eggs, waffles -- which avoids contamination. But at least some of the excess young goats will butchered. Hence Helly asks, "Am I livestock?"
The severance workplace seems to me to be primarily concerned with observing the behaviors of the workers. It's very laboratory and maze-like and the workers are actually given a surprising amount of autonomy given the omnipresence of cameras, mics, etc. So, with that said, what if when the guy in the goat room said, "They're not ready yet. You can't take them", he wasn't actually talking TO Mark and Helly, but ABOUT them to whoever might be listening...?
Ok i especially love that last theory and all of them are new to me 😂 but very good i might add. Maybe im an idiot or schizophrenic but i always saw the goats as a symbolic imagery like how all the workers are goats and how they get treated like children and their reprimandations are very impulsive and caused by fear in who broke (like corbll to mark for example when he messed up orientation as well as to "the board") and i thought it was compelling due to the security guy that died acting swet and innocent to mark when he saw him in the bathroom (like you would a kid you just found getting into trouble) i could have just picked up the symbolic mesning (or a piece of it) that adds to the actual reason and im glad i cane across this because i wasnt even thinking about any other potential scenarios. Weve waited too long for season 2
Since you mentioned it, do you plan on doing any black mirror content? Or Orphan Black (the clones made me think of it) Or even Westworld perhaps? I'm really into dark sci fi, and I enjoy your analysis and how you kinda show your thought processes. Also your voice is hella soothing. I need more content from you so I can just turn on a playlist to fall asleep to lolol.
Thanks, mzmendy! I appreciate that. At some point I'd love to be able to post much more often. Any of those suggestions would be good. I read that season 6 of Black Mirror is in production. I'd be down to cover the new season and then maybe go back to older requested episodes from the previous seasons. The list is pretty long, but Westworld, Outer Range, Servant and Homecoming are near the top. Arrival, Ad Astra, Under the Skin and Annihilation come to mind, as far as covering films go. I really need to post some polls to get sense of what people want to see. Now, if only Netlfix would bring back The OA🙏🤞
The first quote from Helly in this episode sounds like she’s referencing a goat sacrifice. They slit their throats and bleed them out and they have graphic videos of it on TH-cam. You hear the goat scream. It’s awful. There’s a holiday around the sacrifice that takes place every year. They believe it’s lifting up that animals energy to their god to have something come back to them to bless them or something. Anyways that guy says “they’re not ready” like he was replying to what Helly just said. The timing of the goat cry seems pretty on cue but they did it in an abrupt way that doesn’t clarify intentionally. Are they raising goats to sacrifice to Ricken or for some other purpose? In the scene with Dylan’s waffle party there was one dancer with a goats head. There was also a nuns face I believe. I don’t understand what that dance was supposed to communicate or illicit. All I know is that it’s esoteric high weirdness that makes me think about whispers and conspiracies of masons and also sacrifices. Interesting fact: one of rapper Young Thug’s co-defendants in the ongoing YSL RICO trial, was in fact arrested during a goat sacrifice ritual. Young Thug is also on video stating he is in fact a mason and he’s spoken this out loud on multiple instances from that video as well as an older yet polished and popular short interview he gave the fact he’s a mason as a interesting fact about himself. How did all this GOAT talk start in rap? I know it’s supposed to be Greatest Of All Time but what if there’s something more sinister? Da Baby has a few young goats on one of his album covers. Polo G has goats on his album covers like for the one called “The Goat”. There’s also the common depiction of the baphomet as a goat like creature bearing both female and male anatomy with the hooves and head of a goat being surrounded by children. I know this is tangential but I wonder if any of this could possibly help solve the goat mystery or shed some of Lumen’s fluorescent lights on it before the show answers the questions. If they are camouflaging children as goats maybe they are hinting at Mark and Helly having a baby in the future. But if she’s talking about a baby/goat…maybe the sacrifice is having your baby severed at birth via company restrictions (terms of service nobody reads?) and never knowing your baby as a non-severed being so that they don’t go through the ‘suffering’ their parents did with the procedure. They can be worker ants. If they are never severed will they wonder what else could be out in the world instinctually? If there’s nothing to erase then is there a more active imagination on a blank slate? That is a goat nursery and I believe they are raising actual goats as opposed to children but it’s clear child bearing and goats both play some important role in the show. The idea of cloning goats as a pre-cursor to humans makes more sense to me. Helly could be a clone. Maybe severed at birth contrary to the show intro. I think that Helly waking up at the beginning is not the first time she has done so. Maybe the company is creating a society with babies who never experience life un-severed so their innie and outie are nearly identical and what’s worse they may never leave. A bit of a commentary on how technology and social media is raising society’s children these days perhaps. Alright this is probably the 3rd long rant I’ve had in your comment section. This show brings out the tinfoil in me. Great theories. Watching all your Severance videos. Keep it up! You the Severance Goat!
Lumon create everything they use, that's why they have all the 3D printers in the O@D Lab. During the waffle party scene Dylan is seen drinking a glass of Milk, goats are a more manageable source of Milk than Cows. So they raise goats for Milk.
It's insanely disappointing that they added the goat scene without knowing why. They pulled it off well enough it's not a big deal, but I thought they had a more whole concept get were working with. Makes me worry about if they'll be able to pull off a full series without ruining it like Westworld.
I don’t know if someone has commented this already, but my theory on the apron is that this is a severed employee, and if he went home with milk or something on him, he would ask a lot of questions.
Oh, we have a Facebook group, We Love Goats In That Way. I'll post your video there with a spoiler warning, but I'll bet most of them are already watching Severance. Also, I want them to see how amusing you are.
@@nautilusfiles likewise, I'm happy to get more content to speculate on! I think there's likely something to the "seeing what they're programmed to see" idea as that was my thought about the computer program they're using, it "looks" random but we find out in the Lexington Letters they're setting off bombs. Cloning seems like an easy answer but even if the goat scene was just thrown in, the goats being "kids," which are what baby goats are called, wouldn't be a farther stretch for the writers to reach.
@@nautilusfiles remember that i was here early when you blow up!! Your video's are so good i thought you were a much bigger channel (bigger budget, ya know), great sound and quality editing, great topics and lots of content to binge.. it's destiny brotha. Stay with it! I'm here for it!
Yeah, in order for them to be real kids the writers will have to do some heavy lifting. I think it would be really interesting if they managed to make it work out that way, but it's not likely. If the chips can manipulate perception, well now the possibilities open up quite a bit, and that's the part of the theory that intrigues me most. The truth is probably conventional but somewhat extreme and sinister.
I need more people analyzing the pregnant woman... She was severed to deal with child birth right? What are the other out of work applications of severance lumon is trying to market?
I'm planning on talking about Devon and Rick in a future video and that topic will definitely come up. My guess, anything that people don't find pleasant, from the inconvenient (childbirth/work) to the traumatic (soldier/injury).
it’s possible it’s simply a random mystery never even meant to be solved. The actor who plays the “goat wrangler” doesn’t look like he’ll be in any more episodes, according to IMDB…
I think the cloning idea is still the most plausible, with sacrifice being a fairly distant second. I don't buy the whole kids = kids thing, both due to impracticality (why not just separate the kids from the other staff, instead of creating an incredibly difficult illusion that would fail upon any physical contact anyway?) and the line "they're not ready" being a lot harder to explain.
I have a theory they might be connected to farming and taking over the agriculture industry. As if this series wasn't Orwellian enough. I always saw the goats as a red herring (much like the polar bear in the first season of Lost). I've only just thought of it, and it's a bit of a stretch, but what if they were flying drone insects? It might even be what the numbers are for.
Oh my. The polar bear. Which lead to the ridiculous cages scenes. Ouch my brain I hated those stupid cage scenes. I love lost so very much but the whispers and the others reveal and the stupid polar bear cages. I can’t. Probably bc I also really didn’t like Kate as a character.
Lumon getting into agri sciences works. When I saw the water tower with the logo on it, it made me wonder if that entire town is unknowingly drinking and eating Lumon products that are engineered to have certain effects. The Lumon pit has no bottom, so I would not put it past them.
@@HeatherHolt I was a teenage boy at the time, Kate and Shannon were my favourite characters 😍. When they were being held captive on the other island I was already losing interest. That show started off great it went on too long and they tried to do too much imo. First there were 'the others' who turned into the Dharma initiative (who spoke Latin for no apparent reason). Then there was that murderous black smoke. Then there was time travel and don't even get me started on the numbers or the finale. The creators of Lost did make another show worth watching called 'the Leftovers'. If you haven't seen it, it's definitely worth a watch!
@@nautilusfiles Dylan's theory was they're combating the degredation of the oceans. So it's not far off. I also think Ricken's previous book 'The life of an American Gadfly' might shed some light on this. Although I always thought it was a metaphor for a recording bug/ the severed employee's lives or it might be political... ...and if you're enhancing images, there's a scene in the finale where Ricken's first two books are briefly visible. 'Wisdom' and 'Fun' are the only words I could identify. There's more clues here.
How did you even SEE the mural?? I probably should snoop around Reddit more. Seems to be handy for Better Call Saul, too. But that seems like an endless, and snarky, rabbit hole. Goat hole? They just threw them in? I had pet goats and hope to have some again, now that my friends bought me an acre of New Mexico desert, cuz im too old and cranky now for slumlords and bosses like Lumon. Why did you choose the name, Nautilus? I still think you're one of the most interesting creators I've subscribed. They'd better not hurt them damn goats. 🐏there are no cost emoticons. Only sheep. Coincidence? I think not. Alex Jones is headed to the Big House. No, I'm not drunk. Im doing stream of consciousness, to entertain you back. I know my way out....
Haha, no worries. I literally laughed out loud reading it, so I'd say I was entertained. Always good to see you and I'm glad you get a kick out of the videos! I watched Severance 3 times and never noticed the mural! Someone told me about it, so I looked it up (severance wiki) and it turned out to be real. I still wonder if it was intentional, or an unfinished set piece? A subliminal message? Definitely check out that reddit for Severance. I learned a lot from my time there. I chose the name for a few reasons. I love nautiluses (nautili?), octopi and cuttlefish, it references Jules Vernes (I love scifi novels) and it made me think of "diving" as a metaphor for analyzing stories and characters. Nautilus is not a fun word to spell though. I hope you find yourself on that spot in NM, beautiful state to live in! #FreeTheGoats
i think that Helly planning to murder/suicide her outie was just so dark that the writers needed something light and absurd to change the mood of the episode
The simplest explanation to me is that Lumon needs to have some animal to use for lethal experiments involving future generations of chips. They can't have advanced as far as they have before Season 1 without doing a lot of experimentation that they wouldn't want to do in humans for practical reasons (we know Lumon seemingly has no moral or ethical limits as far as playing God).
I think every department is trying to perfect the development of different aspects of consciousness, for the purpose of some type of immortality/cloning thing?
Yup! That is totally possible. There is one theory that suggests that the goats are just goats, and that goat-dude's work is the entire point and what Lumon is gathering data on for severance.
I legit typed the Sacrifice theory about the goats actually being children and they were being raised for the alter or something like that, and then deleted it because I thought it would be too crazy.. lol.. wow!
You can ditch the idea of the goats being children. Mark was able to see Devon's baby, Eleanor, so the idea that the chip is so precise that it could selectively choose which infants to mask as goats stretches beyond the suspension of disbelief.
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The idea that Lumon might actually be raising babies and can make the severed employees see goats instead is not one I had considered. That is chilling.
Hi, Lee! As wild as it sounds, it could turn out to be true. There are a few other scenes where the idea kind of fits the narrative. I'm hoping we get an answer in the next season.
This theory can explain why Mrs. Cobel is so good with Eleanore and knows so much about breastfeeding. Probably she worked with "goats" before becoming floor's boss.
I don't believe that they'd need to hide babies from severed employees since they don't have much of a concept of morality or normalcy to think there would be anything wrong with lab grown infants (Helley being the only variable there)
@@1LElife possibly, although I think for most humans, babies are inherently triggering. Adult response to babies is instinctive and goes beyond socialisation. So the mere sight and sound of human babies might stir curiosity, concern, protective feelings, and just be generally upsetting and discombobulating for the innies in a way that goats would not. I don’t think it’s a likely scenario anyway though.
I don't think it makes children appear to be goats. Innie mark saw his sister's child as a normal baby while activated at the party. If it altered perception like that, it would look like she was walking around with a goat in her arms.
"Try to enjoy each theory equally" XD God-tier.
Hey, Justin! Thanks for coming through! Easily one of my fav moments in the series 😂
This deserves far more upvotes.
Leather aprons are used for cooking bbq or by blacksmiths. Butchers use white cotton aprons.
I like the theory that the positions severed employees have is aimed at further refinement of the severance chip: macrodata refinement has emotions triggered in sorting data; OandD is about meaning and associations with objects; baby goats is about empathy. Each job collects data, to be applied to the advancement of the severance chip.
I like this
Nailed it. This has to be the most plausible theory yet
i took the numbers to represent neural pathways and they were identifying the emotion linked to a thought/memory for an AI.
kinda how google maps get you to identify stop signs in photos to further train their algorithm to identify objects.
goats to help identify compassion and empathy would match with the mayors wife being a severed parent and needing to research that area further.
Yes!
A chip being able to indentify emotions, and potentially turn them off, would reap billions. Soldiers would never be scared. Voters could be easily cowed into voting a specific way. Buyers could be made to desire a certain type of product (or be reviled at a competitor).
Let alone your employees never needing to leave early because of "x emergency".
Such a dark concept.
The whole show seems to revolve around birthing and children, but it is not obvious. The terms innies and outie can be references to belly buttons which come from the "severing" of the umbilical cord. Cobel's/ Selving way with babies and nursing and how she treated the doll after showing Mark's sister how to nurse was violent. Mark's sister gave birth, and then there was the trauma of thinking she had lost her baby. The senator's wife, who was severed, doesn't remember giving birth to escape the trauma of bringing life into the world. In the Lexington letter, the innies seem child-like, like the severance puts the person in a pure state. Then there is the adolescent deodorant, adolescents being the time when kids start experiencing more trauma and become tainted by the world around them. The lady who kills the Lumon security guard says that the company infantilizes its employees. Finally, baby goats are called kids. It has something to do with kids
Hmm interesting! I like your thought process. I would also say, to add onto it, the conversation in ep. 9 with Helly and her father was interesting in the story it told- namely, Helly was a small child when she saw the severance chip for the first time and was enthralled by it- and also her fathers wording when he revealed Lumons expansion plan (“They’ll all be Kiers children”). I do think this applies in a religious, pastoral sense with the religon of Kier practiced at Lumon, but also the theme of youth that you explained very well. I can’t wait to see what they explore in season 2 with this!
@@anneg3065your comment reminded me of the Hitler Youth leading up to and during WW2. Hitler had always said that the future of the Nazi Party was through the Nazification of the Aryan race. His overall goal was to indoctrinate an entire generation of youth that had never known anything other than Aryan supremacy and Nazi indoctrination from birth with no need of brain washing … I think this could be the goal of the Severance Company and it’s truly horrific and chilling!
On another more extended note, I personally see so many parallels between the Severance company and Nazi Germany.
The innie life could be likened to a more palatable concentration camp for the innies, where they are forced to work, tortured if they disobey, and it’s heavily implied that they are undergoing malicious medical treatments/experiements (ie. Mark’s wife still being alive but fired from her innie job), I could go on…
but the truly sinister thing is that this is all happening covertly away from the eyes of the rest of the world.
It’s very similar to WW2. Before the concentration camps were discovered, they had only been rumors to the world at large and after being discovered and exposed to the world, people were horrified to see how horrific these “camps” really were.
There’s also a twist of the book 1984 in the show with all the softened and sometimes outright false names/nomenclature in the innie world. Much like in 1984 the “Ministry of Love” should be named “Ministry of Torture” since that’s where people were tortured into compliance to the party, in Severance the “Break Room” was not a place to relax from work but was instead a place meant to break your will (no pun intended) and was designed to torture you into compliance with the Severance company.
But I digress… all in all, this show in 1 season was able to piece together some of the most dystopian aspects of so many historical and fictional events in human history in a jarring and mesmerizing way.
Thank you for coming to my TedTalk 😂
@@FindingEzekielsomeone only believe what they were indoctrinated with about Hitler
"What's for dinner, kids?" This is Petey's joke, then later Irving says it.
It's interesting he says "kids" because baby goats are called kids. And then do Rickon's non food based dinners mean anything in this context?
It was funny to hear that the goats were originally just a throw away scene, and now the writers are working to retconn them in. So it may be that even they do not know why yet, but they may be visiting your channel and taking the best ideas :D
Hey, Raven! Oh, that would be something lol. I bet they comb the reddits looking for ideas, trying to gauge the reaction to them. I trust they will come up with something that will blow our minds. I mean, look at the writing so far!
This reminds me of… Lost
_I goat a bad feeling about this_
Those cries from the goats, was very uncomfortable for me to hear. props to the sound team who made that scene sound so disturbing
Oh man, I never even considered cloning. What if Lumen is trying to perfect cloning to make new, perfect bodies for their executives (that is, the revolving)? The next season can’t come out soon enough. Great work!
IKR! That's exactly what I was thinking - it's about the "revolving". The Eagans are on chips somehow, and Lumon's main goal is to get them perfect host(s).
Maybe Christie’s a clone
I think you're on to something, immortality would be the ultimate goal of cult leaders like the Eagans. Huge "Get Out" vibes
@@nautilusfiles the Eagans don’t even need to be on chips- lumon only needs the exact ratio of their 4 tempers to recreate that person’s “character”. My personal belief is that the macrodats are sorting the Eagans’ or kier’s data into the 4 tempers so lumon will effectively have a recipe to recreate a temperament clone. Not necessarily a clone with their memories or the same body (but the goats might be part of body cloning), but if Kier is so perfect / godlike just reproducing his character is enough. Unfortunately no idea what the macro data might be. As you pointed out the technology wasn’t really there when kier was alive, but they certainly know a lot about him… loving your videos keep the content coming thank you!
Ok you blew me away with the mural on the wall in the goat room 😅😱 What made you suspect a perfectly white wall was hiding a mural?!
id say there is some kind of second world on the floor underneath the level, that we saw in season 1 and where Mrs. Casey/Gemma went to. there is a spot on Pete's Map, where it says "people live here". for that reason they need animals and all kinds of stuff there, also the tools that Optics & Design created.
I LOVED the Helly vs Helena plot line. One thing I especially loved was the complexity of getting revenge on one half of yourself because it’d be easy to just end your own life, but that wouldn’t be revenge because Helena would have been unaware. So, she needed to kilo herself in such a way that Helena would both realize it was her and not be able to stop it.
I also love how it dovetails w/themes such as self-hate, masochism, if your mind was transferred into another body would you still be, etc.
This is exactly the type of content I was looking to watch for 15th, once I finish my 1st rewatch on 15th. It's the perfect time since by the time I get home from work on 16th the new season will be out. I'm heading back to watch episode 4 tonight and will be back on 15th :D
I love your videos, they are really well-edited and your narration is really... comforting? Your voice's timbre is very pleasing. Thank you for filling the void in my life ever since I finished Season 1. In the future, I will look to your videos as an example when I make my own. :)
The highest compliment! Thanks so much :)
@@nautilusfilesYou are like Binging with Babish but with Severance theories, exactly the same smooth soothing voice lol
I love love love the “chips alter their perception of reality” theory so much
Christopher Walken saying "baby goats" might be my favorite thing in the series --it might be my favorite thing period.
Now that they've seen success and got renewed, I hope they avoid throwing in crazy scenes like this before coming up with explanations. Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely down for whatever explanations they came up with after the fact, I just hope they plan a bit more carefully in the future. While I have no idea what the plot significance of the goats is, the goats are definitely being used as some sort of symbolism, and thats probably why they included the scene in the first place. There's lots of goat imagery in Rickon's house, but why? Is it to show a secret connection between Rickon/Mark's sister and Lumon? Are goats just supposed to be symbols of a cult (Lumon is very cult like, Rickon's friends sort of seem to cultishly worship him and his nonsense). No idea. Can't wait to see more theories on Cobel and hopefully a character analysis of my favorite Macrodat, Dylan G.
Knowing that the explanation was an afterthought is not very reassuring. Given how well the first season was written and directed is the only thing keeping me optimistic about the future of the series. Writing a pilot season without a fully fleshed out roadmap is becoming the norm, unfortunately. I guess that's showbusiness these days.
@@nautilusfiles I guess It's a little bit better than writing a single pilot episode and then writing each episode in 1 week. Either way, I can't help but get my hopes up for season 2, even though I've been burned before by Westworld, Lost, Ozark, and many more. Hope Stiller, Erikson, and the team can live up to expectations.
The hell Imagery and goats being associated with the satanic is my guess imo
It's why they're shown with the CEO guy who takes the tempers, one of the tempers is a goat
There have been times where the writers wrote themselves into a corner without properly planning in advance, and then wrote themselves out of it pretty well. Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul did this a lot, for example. For example, Walter getting a car with a machine gun in the trunk at the start of season 5? They had no clue where that's gonna go at the time. There wasn't ever a very fleshed out plan in advance and they still managed to write it pretty well.
It is, admittedly, a very hard way to write, especialy in a mystery show such as this one. But I don't think one way of writing is better than the other, they both have their benefits. As long as the writing keeps being as good as it is, we will problably not even be able to tel.
Just binged all your vids and subscribed. Your subscriber count does NOT reflect the quality of your videos, which absolutely SLAP. Great discussions and analysis, keep it up!!
Hey, thanks for the sub! Seeing comment like yours is what keeps me going :)
My favorite of these is the not even goats theory and I’m holding to that until the writers give us the real reason
If they can make this one work, it would be the most interesting direction for the story, I'm sure. It would defy the expectations of most of the audience.
I love the final theory in particular. I have seen all of Black Mirror and some things in the show made me think of that episode where the little girl has a 'censorship' chip, blurring everything non-PG, even her own injuries, leading to stunted development. Not just the goats but the numbers they are sorting. They are seeing images that elicit emotional responses, which makes me wonder if the chip is censoring the images into numbers, while their subconsciousnesses still experience the reactions to the images. This is in some way giving insight into how to manipulate these responses. As for the goats, I didn't catch all of the other references to goats, and cloning wasn't my first thought either, it was that it was another test - can they have something disturbing happening (it could be babies or toddlers) right in front of their employees' eyes, and have them walk on by, completely with no reaction. I feel like it adds up in that direction. Anyway, great vids - thanks!
Your channel is very well put together and you have incredibly intriguing content. Love the Severance videos so much!! Hype for season 2
Thanks, really appreciate it!
Would love to see an exploration of the Perpetuity Wing and just how bizarre it is.
Hi, Phantomdance! This is certainly on my to-do list. I'm thinking it will be a video about all the rooms and spaces we know about and what sorts of theories exist surrounding them.
@@nautilusfiles Donno i could see a full essay on the Perpetuity Wing in general, though I suppose you could fold it into Wellness also. A comparison to Irving's buildup of Perpetuity to the oddly prosaic reality of an odd little room with mannequins made up to look like the Eagan's along with the bonkers replica built down there in the bowels of Lumon.
Yeah I think they’re used to test the chips. MDR refining the 4 tempers to create the “ideal human” then sticking them in goats to see if it will tame them.
Nice work! Digging these Severance theories!
Your channel is the only one out of my thousand plus subscriptions that I actually have the bell turned on for.
You’re THAT good lol
(Referencing the scene from the stepbrothers movie where will ferrel is talking about being the songbird of his generation. “THAT good”)
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Just stumbled across this channel. Love the content, keep it up man!
The blood sacrifice one makes sense in that you typically pick the unblemished from the herd for sacrifice, you’ll need a herd to have selection.
Also, depending on the size of the sacrifice and quantity of blood needed you may need more than one goat.
I’m so excited for the upcoming videos!! If you are looking for video suggestions- I know I particularly am interested in the Lexington Letter. One of the things I find interesting about it is that both Peggy and Gemma are attached to Lumon in some way and they were both in car crashes. It seems suspicious.
Ah, yes, the car crashes. There are at least 3 in the story, I believe. Definitely not a coincidence. Good idea! The Lexington Letter would make a great subject for a video.
One thing I noticed and a theory I’ve seen revolves around his reaction to people coming in the door. He’s not surprised and doesn’t freak out like “who are you” or “why are you here”. People have come to the door to take the goats before, and this is familiar to him. That’s why he’s only got 2 things to say “they’re not ready yet” and “get the hell out”.
The theory is that he recognizes Helena, that she’d been there before to take goats.
I wonder if you know how funny you are in these videos. Monotone slipped in lines, "Not those kids, these kids". 😂You have at least one if not more in every video. I literally lol and I love it.
LOL honestly, I just make the videos like I'm talking to a friend, so you're seeing my usual sarcastic and dry attempt at humor. I'm just it made you laugh. Thanks for stopping by,Trish!
I did not react to any of the theories; I enjoyed each theory equally. May I return to my desk now?
Really, though, awesome video! There’s a whole lot to think about there. Your roomful of baby-goat theories is just like a roomful of baby goats! Mysterious and just plain bizarre...
Seriously, I think the baby goats are tied up in the whole "revolving" thing. There’s something about transferring consciousness from one person to another in there - i.e. Helena’s father has Kier’s consciousness/personality/knowledge/memories that have been passed down from CEO to CEO over the past 120+ years.
My theory is that this has been done in some mystical, cult-related way but that Lumon is trying to turn create a technological way to do it. They could create an army of super-workers who retain all the knowledge and skills of their predecessors by just transferring each worker’s consciousness to a new body.
Now, where those new bodies come from is the big question. Is Ms. Casey part of the experimentation? Is she a clone of Gemma? Was she dead but somehow resurrected/reanimated to be used as a "blank canvas" or first-generation worker? Would Lumon use people like her to transfer consciousness into at some point in the future? Are the baby goats being used in such a way, having been cloned? Or are they just plain baby goats that will have an older goat’s consciousness implanted and tested?
It’s all about "revolving," I tell you.
Yeah, I think that is Lumon's endgame. The goats are somehow facilitating things. I also agree when it comes to the Eagan's living on, disembodied, on chips somehow. Perhaps in Jame, or by some other vessel that is will soon be in Helly. I also think they are the board, and that is why they have trouble speaking. Still, I am very curious to see how they work these goats into the story.
This was posted two years ago so I'm SUPER late to the party here, but cloning would add some interesting context to the news coverage we hear about the woman who came out of Lumon pregnant.
I really want to know why there are goat statues in Devon's and Ricken's home. There are actual goats and paintings in Lumon, goats in Cobel's shrine, a goat is one of the 4 tempers, and at least 2 statues in Devon's and Ricken's home: one in the nursery (indoctrinating the baby?), and one in the den. I think a good part of Kier has been severed. Whether they are active or not remains to be seen. Ricken and his friends appear active, Devon does not (but probably will have her switched flipped by Cobel right at the beginning of Season 2 because of what Cobel knows she now knows).
There's more of a connection between Lumon and Devon (or maybe Ricken) than that which we were initially led to believe. Remember when Ricken's book was brought into the office Cobel made a telling comment to Milchick, something to the effect of "Ugh. That's his 5th one", or something like that. I wonder if one is the descendant of the Egan Black Sheep Irv mentioned. But, either way, they're being watched too. And, why do they *think* they have goats in their home? Do they just like them? Doubtful. Did someone give them to them? Maybe. Or do they not even know on a conscious level that they are they and not even give them a second thought? It's also worth noting again that when Petey presented a threat, they attempted to eliminate him. When Mark, Ricken and Devon present a threat, they will/do not. There's a family connection here.
OK, so you're gonna make me say it... I think Ricken is way more important to the story than the writers want us to believe right now. He has all the markings of being one of those characters we're meant to dismiss, but dude turns out to be a major player. You're onto something here, because having goats in the house is too weird of a coincidence imo. Yeah, some people are saying he might be an Eagan, as in Helly's (half)brother. I think that might be true. Jame might be the father he said he doesn't want to be like.
It's a bit of a reach, but I think all that stuff he says in his book is essentially Kier's real teachings in his own words. The ideas in the book conflict with Lumon, a corporatized version of the cult who have fallen off the path, so to speak. Basically, Lumon is no longer in line with Kiers teachings because they've abused it for power, but Ricken, like some kind of goof-troop prophet is going to be the savior who will set everything right again. This might explain, in part, why Cobel wants to break Severance but not destroy Lumon.
This is a minor point, but I noticed that both Helly and Rickon have red hair. It made me wonder whether they were related. Or it could just be a coincidence.
@@nautilusfiles it almost mirrors the old and new testaments with Ricken being a cult leader/ new testament figure. Burt has a throw away line he's more of a 'book 1 guy' and 'Kier speaks to us in many ways'. With all the references to hell, this might be something the writer's intended.
Ricken also has the journalist connections in NY that Devon referred to with Mark's innie. I figure they might be part of the group trying to bring Lumen down that Petey referred to all the way back in episode 1.
This is interesting. On my second watch-through I noticed the goat-man being whipped, with other actual humans, by Keir in the painting that Irving & Burt meet for the first time in front of and are discussing. I had forgot about the goats in Devon and Ricken's home (though I now remember seeing at least one of them the first time I watched). The creators say the baby goat scene was thrown in early on and now has to be worked in but perhaps that piece of information is a red herring itself - especially considering all the various goat iconography and references in other scenes/episodes.
I def have my suspicions that Ricken and Devon are somehow, unbeknownst to them, involved with Lumon. Harmony seems to be tapped into their goings-on when she steps in as their lactation counselor - also, Devon told Mark she went through a list of suggested lactation counselors given to her by Alexa & I had wondered if Alexa was sent by Lumon to keep an eye on Devon, Ricken, and/or Mark. Also, how did Petey know where to find Mark when he was standing outside the Hale home the first time Mark saw him that night after the food-free dinner. He couldn't have followed Devon after picking Mark up from his home because he (Petey) didn't have a vehicle of his own.
So many questions - esp after the second watch-through. Can't wait for Season 2!
Don’t forget that lumen says it started as a business creating topical salve… which is wordplay for tropical slaves.
you have a fun channel man. keep up the awesome videos
Hey, thanks :)
Firstly, great video! Your research, scripting, presentation, and delivery are all excellent- great work!
Secondly, I’d love to see a theory video on all the people who are potentially severed - and the implications of that. For instance, Ms Casey / Cobel, Mark’s brother-in-law & friends, Gemma (before her accident)… bring out all the tin foil, eh! :)
Thank you so much! Now that's a great idea for a video. You know we're going to find out at least one character we never suspected, was severed the entire time. Thanks for the idea!
This is the cult of the lamb.
It made me just what I am.
And what I am is-
Damn good at running the show.
Given that a goat is prominent in that one subjugation painting and later shows up as a participant in the waffle party, there's definitely a lot of goat related shenanigans happening at lumon, probably a lot more than what this scene implies
Loved finding your channel! You got a subscriber
Welcome, and thanks for the support :)
I have watched a lot of your videos. I haven’t watched them all. I’m on that journey, but have you talked about what the hell was going on with all those burlesque dancers for Dylan in the perpetuity wing and what that was about?
"Hey KIDS, what's for dinner?"
I’m going for testing on animals ie chip testing research and development . Or cloning as sheep and goats common with this. Loving these videos I’m soooo obsessed with this show
I'm leaning hard into testing too, especially after I found out about goats and their capacity for memory. More Severance in the pipeline!
I think something that needs to be considered is that it was REALLY easy for the team to randomly stumble upon the goats. Like, they weren't even trying. Their own work is hidden from them, but these goats had no security precautions or anything. That means one of three things:
1. Your final theory is correct or partially correct, and they're not actually goats. This would line up because the simple lie would be the security precaution in itself (same as the numbers on their screens are representative of something else).
2. The goats' purpose is relatively mundane such that their existence is not a big enough secret in itself.
3. It's a red herring. Like not just for us, but for Mark and Helly themselves, intentionally placed there to confuse them.
I don't think that third one really works though. For one thing, it'd just be an unsatisfying answer. For another, if that's a red herring then it's a bad one. It only encouraged Mark and Helly to want more answers and dig deeper. So it doesn't really serve a function the way something like the "coup paintings" do.
For the middle point (purpose is mundane), I feel like testing chips makes the most sense. Cloning would be a big deal and probably hidden a bit better. If they're performing sacrifices, then that would also be a game-changer, and it'd be a bit odd to leave them out in the open. So I'm leaning toward either chips or human babies.
I originally wrote about the door being open and how odd a choice that was in my script, but I had to cut it out. The question is whether that is because it was an impromptu decision by the writers to even have the scene or because it was written in as something management wanted Mark and Helly to find.
Great video!
Hey, thanks for watching :)
I totally love the alternative viewpoint theory where they are not seeing reality because of the implant. I think the data is a representation of something else they are really looking at. The goat/baby connection is next level. FWIW, Christopher Walkin's character works in the Optics laboratory. It is possible that the entire operation actually looks very different than what they think it is. Maybe they are training their clones.
that mural, that's a farmscape, field, barn, sile, clouds, and a windpump (wind-mill that pumps water)
I never thought about Irv saying kids and it could mean goats too
The goats are so weird the answer has to be super weird for it to be satisfying.
Lumons main ethos is conquering emotions, so I like the idea that their somehow related to that, maybe somehow taking pieces of a persons personality, and putting them in the goats, who knows.
The care takers distress makes it clear the goats won't have a happy end, thats for sure.
Yeah, I think you're right. It has to be related to MDR's work in some way to make it worth including in the story. It's such a jarring scene that needs an explanation that measures up. Using the goats to facilitate severance would tie in well while verifying just how bananas Lumon is when you peek behind the curtain.
Apparently the whole scene with the goats were just supposed to be a wacky one-off joke just showing how strange and weird the Lumen workplace is in general in a funny way, and we weren't actually supposed to see any follow up about them. But, there had been so much fan speculation and obsession over this specific scene that they've decided to actually work these goats into the plotline somehow for future seasons, lol.
It makes sense that they just added this for optimal weirdness. But now I wonder how h they fit them in the story. .. as if I wasn’t excited enough for the second season!
Imagine being able to admit a scene was thrown in like that without getting a bunch of flack for it. It just goes to show how good the show is and how much the fans trust the showrunners to make good on it.
My hypothesis is there are not only one "innie" there, if there are multiple "innie lives," they wouldn't know if all 4 members of MDR were periodically switched together, for example "monday innie, tuesday innie, ..." 🙂 This is a reason for prohibiting/not recommending strolling on hallways, because in this scenario, you could meet others who know you only as a different innie, so the "butcher" said "it's not ready" (or something), because he thinks he's talking to another innie than to the one we're presenting to believe is the only one.
Your last theory about the goats being literal kids reminded me of the Hitler Youth leading up to and during WW2. Hitler had always said that the future of the Nazi Party was through the Nazification of the Aryan race. His overall goal was to indoctrinate an entire generation of youth that had never known anything other than Aryan supremacy and Nazi indoctrination from birth with no need of brain washing … I think this could be the goal of the Severance Company and it’s truly horrific and chilling!
On another more extended note, I personally see so many parallels between the Severance company and Nazi Germany.
The innie life could be likened to a more palatable concentration camp for the innies, where they are forced to work, tortured if they disobey, and it’s heavily implied that they are undergoing malicious medical treatments/experiements (ie. Mark’s wife still being alive but fired from her innie job), I could go on…
but the truly sinister thing is that this is all happening covertly away from the eyes of the rest of the world.
It’s very similar to WW2. Before the concentration camps were discovered, they had only been rumors to the world at large and after being discovered and exposed to the world, people were horrified to see how horrific these “camps” really were.
There’s also a twist of the book 1984 in the show with all the softened and sometimes outright false names/nomenclature in the innie world. Much like in 1984 the “Ministry of Love” should be named “Ministry of Torture” since that’s where people were tortured into compliance to the party, in Severance the “Break Room” was not a place to relax from work but was instead a place meant to break your will (no pun intended) and was designed to torture you into compliance with the Severance company.
But I digress… all in all, this show in 1 season was able to piece together some of the most dystopian aspects of so many historical and fictional events in human history in a jarring and mesmerizing way.
Thank you for coming to my TedTalk 😂h
Here's my theory: Mrs. Cobel is a die-hard fan of Lumon and Keir. But she is taking her devotion to the next level, wholly disapproved by the single-member Board, Jame Eagan. This is why her actions with Mark and his family are questioned by Milchick, Natalie, Graner. She takes this devotion to an unhealthy level, stalking Mark, and maybe even ordering harsher methods (torture) of Innies. Natalie was right when she fired Cobel. Also, i do not think she or Natalie, Milchick or Graner are severed. Lumon needs upper management in their full senses to operate the experiment the way it was supposedly designed. She is probably related to Charlotte, but not her clone. The image she worships at home is a painting of Keir. Somehow, Lumon doesn't show photographs, except for the Innies at the event. Also one of the 4 tempers is Malice, who wears Mrs. Cobel's hair. She is evil. I don't think she has any good intentions.
My theory is that Lumon is building a huge commune compound.
Think about it, they were mass producing hatchets, watering cans, weird educational cards.. they have goats and “bibles”… etc. the kind of stuff you’d need to live and farm, grow food, livestock.
Perhaps that’s a reward for the best severed or another experiment to see if severed can work in the real world, and take care of themselves and a farm.
I just thought of that Black Mirror episode and thought, hrm... maybe there is no (spoon) Goat. Mostly because I first thought on your #4 video how their work was refining something already implanted in potential workers.. also referenced in that video as to expectation of more workers.
Cloning is still on the table if you consider that the chip may contain someone’s digitized consciousness, and when their body dies it would be “revolved” into a clone’s grown body
Thinking of “that’s Petey”
My assumption was he raises them as his innie and his outie kills them. As a test
Frankenstein parts for the 'chosen to revolve'
I thought when I first saw the show that the goat thing had to do with someone’s personal trauma maybe as a child or adult. Where they had a time in their life that a small animal or animals (baby goats) were taken away from them after forming an attachment. They decided to “sever” this traumatic event and now it’s housed in a “wing” of lumon. I thought maybe lumon can sever traumatic events/memories and this is how they do it.
Forget about the furphies. The goats are just there because of the "pumping" of Mark's sister for milk production for her baby! Some kind of poetic parallel!
I did enjoy each theory equally
I think the clone theory makes sense bc even the story o&d told would kind of line up with that and would explain all the marks in the beginning sequence
But I also think there's connection with the goat and one of the tempers bc one of them is depicted in the portrait of kier taming the tempers
I think that those separate rooms are other severed minds' subconscious. Goat-Boy is a severed mind waiting to have his Severance chip refined or is a refiner from a different office. Afterall, the office is located in Topeka.
I like the testing of chip maybe for former eagans. The goats are symbolic of cloning more than the physical part. A wild guess but Helly is supposed to be used as a vessel for a past Eagan on the future
Yup, idkman, I think that's the game. It seems like the logical conclusion, with so many clues pointing to Lumon's main goal being to prolong life indefintely through severance. They need severed people to do the actual work of perfecting the process for them, in the meantime.
@@nautilusfiles agreed, I start to think of the show is about truly about anything more than the characters. I’m starting to feel like it’s all about the characters and “the heart at conflict with itself”(GRR Martin line). The politician’s wife with the not wanting to remember being pregnant is a enclosed story of itself, don’t need to explore it any more. Lexington letter was about Peggy loving her otherself,Helly innie is maybe how outie helly truly feels, not wanting to follow in the families footsteps(pre-rec monologue is season finale seemed scripted and fake.Marks battle with grieving, etc
Just going to off-topic beg you to watch the BBC's Jekyll miniseries with James Nesbitt if you haven't. Older but SO good. And if you do or have OH PLLLLEASE do a video on it. That show deserves so much more love and I really think it has strong appeal for Severance fans. Different people in a single body, evil corporations, nailbiting suspense, characters that feel real and that you care about. Pretty please with a Music Dance Experience on top?
The moment that Mark and Helly thanked Kier that they were assigned to MDR.
“Do not boil a young goat in its mother's milk” -- Exodus 23:19, Exodus 34:26, and Deuteronomy 14:21. This is a Jewish dietary law. It is cruel and unnatural to make a mother an accomplice in her own child's death. Themes of birth and food contamination are everywhere in the series. Milchick's name (milchick, milchig) means milk or dairy food -- ovo-lacto-vegetarian -- which is not to be combined with flesh food (fleichick, fleichig) because of this dietary rule. Thus the food that innies eat at Lumon is all milchick -- fruits, seeds, nuts, eggs, waffles -- which avoids contamination. But at least some of the excess young goats will butchered. Hence Helly asks, "Am I livestock?"
The severance workplace seems to me to be primarily concerned with observing the behaviors of the workers. It's very laboratory and maze-like and the workers are actually given a surprising amount of autonomy given the omnipresence of cameras, mics, etc. So, with that said, what if when the guy in the goat room said, "They're not ready yet. You can't take them", he wasn't actually talking TO Mark and Helly, but ABOUT them to whoever might be listening...?
Is it confirmed that they put in the goat scene without having any idea what it represented? Please tell me I heard that wrong
Lol ... all I can think of for some reason is Kylie singing "Doing it for the Kids"
“What’s for dinner, kids?”
From Irv!!!
Oh! I wonder if the group home that Harmony Cobel grew up in raises human clones (or exists to later raise human clones).
Ok i especially love that last theory and all of them are new to me 😂 but very good i might add. Maybe im an idiot or schizophrenic but i always saw the goats as a symbolic imagery like how all the workers are goats and how they get treated like children and their reprimandations are very impulsive and caused by fear in who broke (like corbll to mark for example when he messed up orientation as well as to "the board") and i thought it was compelling due to the security guy that died acting swet and innocent to mark when he saw him in the bathroom (like you would a kid you just found getting into trouble) i could have just picked up the symbolic mesning (or a piece of it) that adds to the actual reason and im glad i cane across this because i wasnt even thinking about any other potential scenarios. Weve waited too long for season 2
Lumon, its presentation and how little we really hear from "them" is very unsettling throughout the show.
Since you mentioned it, do you plan on doing any black mirror content? Or Orphan Black (the clones made me think of it) Or even Westworld perhaps? I'm really into dark sci fi, and I enjoy your analysis and how you kinda show your thought processes. Also your voice is hella soothing. I need more content from you so I can just turn on a playlist to fall asleep to lolol.
Thanks, mzmendy! I appreciate that. At some point I'd love to be able to post much more often.
Any of those suggestions would be good. I read that season 6 of Black Mirror is in production. I'd be down to cover the new season and then maybe go back to older requested episodes from the previous seasons. The list is pretty long, but Westworld, Outer Range, Servant and Homecoming are near the top. Arrival, Ad Astra, Under the Skin and Annihilation come to mind, as far as covering films go. I really need to post some polls to get sense of what people want to see.
Now, if only Netlfix would bring back The OA🙏🤞
@@nautilusfiles the OA would be awesome for your kinda analysis.
The first quote from Helly in this episode sounds like she’s referencing a goat sacrifice. They slit their throats and bleed them out and they have graphic videos of it on TH-cam. You hear the goat scream. It’s awful. There’s a holiday around the sacrifice that takes place every year. They believe it’s lifting up that animals energy to their god to have something come back to them to bless them or something. Anyways that guy says “they’re not ready” like he was replying to what Helly just said. The timing of the goat cry seems pretty on cue but they did it in an abrupt way that doesn’t clarify intentionally. Are they raising goats to sacrifice to Ricken or for some other purpose? In the scene with Dylan’s waffle party there was one dancer with a goats head. There was also a nuns face I believe. I don’t understand what that dance was supposed to communicate or illicit. All I know is that it’s esoteric high weirdness that makes me think about whispers and conspiracies of masons and also sacrifices.
Interesting fact: one of rapper Young Thug’s co-defendants in the ongoing YSL RICO trial, was in fact arrested during a goat sacrifice ritual. Young Thug is also on video stating he is in fact a mason and he’s spoken this out loud on multiple instances from that video as well as an older yet polished and popular short interview he gave the fact he’s a mason as a interesting fact about himself. How did all this GOAT talk start in rap? I know it’s supposed to be Greatest Of All Time but what if there’s something more sinister? Da Baby has a few young goats on one of his album covers. Polo G has goats on his album covers like for the one called “The Goat”. There’s also the common depiction of the baphomet as a goat like creature bearing both female and male anatomy with the hooves and head of a goat being surrounded by children. I know this is tangential but I wonder if any of this could possibly help solve the goat mystery or shed some of Lumen’s fluorescent lights on it before the show answers the questions.
If they are camouflaging children as goats maybe they are hinting at Mark and Helly having a baby in the future. But if she’s talking about a baby/goat…maybe the sacrifice is having your baby severed at birth via company restrictions (terms of service nobody reads?) and never knowing your baby as a non-severed being so that they don’t go through the ‘suffering’ their parents did with the procedure. They can be worker ants. If they are never severed will they wonder what else could be out in the world instinctually? If there’s nothing to erase then is there a more active imagination on a blank slate? That is a goat nursery and I believe they are raising actual goats as opposed to children but it’s clear child bearing and goats both play some important role in the show. The idea of cloning goats as a pre-cursor to humans makes more sense to me. Helly could be a clone. Maybe severed at birth contrary to the show intro. I think that Helly waking up at the beginning is not the first time she has done so. Maybe the company is creating a society with babies who never experience life un-severed so their innie and outie are nearly identical and what’s worse they may never leave. A bit of a commentary on how technology and social media is raising society’s children these days perhaps.
Alright this is probably the 3rd long rant I’ve had in your comment section. This show brings out the tinfoil in me. Great theories. Watching all your Severance videos. Keep it up! You the Severance Goat!
Lumon create everything they use, that's why they have all the 3D printers in the O@D Lab. During the waffle party scene Dylan is seen drinking a glass of Milk, goats are a more manageable source of Milk than Cows. So they raise goats for Milk.
Soldiers like Milchick. I believed that Milchick was an A.I like Morgan. Them dance moves are dangerously good. I love some Milchick dance moves.
If only flash mobs were still a thing...
The quarterly timeframe of the quotas and the team's work might be tied to the age of the baby goats.
It's insanely disappointing that they added the goat scene without knowing why. They pulled it off well enough it's not a big deal, but I thought they had a more whole concept get were working with. Makes me worry about if they'll be able to pull off a full series without ruining it like Westworld.
It's a legitimate concern. I'm hoping the writers have worked something out that isn't cliche or predictable as a reason for its existence.
I like the idea that the goats are used as clone testing
I don’t know if someone has commented this already, but my theory on the apron is that this is a severed employee, and if he went home with milk or something on him, he would ask a lot of questions.
Oh, we have a Facebook group, We Love Goats In That Way.
I'll post your video there with a spoiler warning, but I'll bet most of them are already watching Severance.
Also, I want them to see how amusing you are.
Thank you for sharing the video! If there's one show I'd recommend anyone to watch, this is it. BTW, I love the name of the group :)
I'm sticking with my theory of clone testing for techno-immortality as the endgame.
Hey, Hugh. Good to see you! I'm with you on that one. It's the best horse in the race.
@@nautilusfiles likewise, I'm happy to get more content to speculate on! I think there's likely something to the "seeing what they're programmed to see" idea as that was my thought about the computer program they're using, it "looks" random but we find out in the Lexington Letters they're setting off bombs. Cloning seems like an easy answer but even if the goat scene was just thrown in, the goats being "kids," which are what baby goats are called, wouldn't be a farther stretch for the writers to reach.
@@nautilusfiles remember that i was here early when you blow up!! Your video's are so good i thought you were a much bigger channel (bigger budget, ya know), great sound and quality editing, great topics and lots of content to binge.. it's destiny brotha. Stay with it! I'm here for it!
Appreciate you, man. And believe, whatever happens, I won't forget!
Yeah, in order for them to be real kids the writers will have to do some heavy lifting. I think it would be really interesting if they managed to make it work out that way, but it's not likely. If the chips can manipulate perception, well now the possibilities open up quite a bit, and that's the part of the theory that intrigues me most. The truth is probably conventional but somewhat extreme and sinister.
I need more people analyzing the pregnant woman... She was severed to deal with child birth right? What are the other out of work applications of severance lumon is trying to market?
I'm planning on talking about Devon and Rick in a future video and that topic will definitely come up. My guess, anything that people don't find pleasant, from the inconvenient (childbirth/work) to the traumatic (soldier/injury).
it’s possible it’s simply a random mystery never even meant to be solved. The actor who plays the “goat wrangler” doesn’t look like he’ll be in any more episodes, according to IMDB…
Andabout the people against lome? The doctor? Peter?
I think the cloning idea is still the most plausible, with sacrifice being a fairly distant second. I don't buy the whole kids = kids thing, both due to impracticality (why not just separate the kids from the other staff, instead of creating an incredibly difficult illusion that would fail upon any physical contact anyway?) and the line "they're not ready" being a lot harder to explain.
I have a theory they might be connected to farming and taking over the agriculture industry. As if this series wasn't Orwellian enough.
I always saw the goats as a red herring (much like the polar bear in the first season of Lost). I've only just thought of it, and it's a bit of a stretch, but what if they were flying drone insects? It might even be what the numbers are for.
Oh my. The polar bear. Which lead to the ridiculous cages scenes. Ouch my brain I hated those stupid cage scenes. I love lost so very much but the whispers and the others reveal and the stupid polar bear cages. I can’t.
Probably bc I also really didn’t like Kate as a character.
Lumon getting into agri sciences works. When I saw the water tower with the logo on it, it made me wonder if that entire town is unknowingly drinking and eating Lumon products that are engineered to have certain effects. The Lumon pit has no bottom, so I would not put it past them.
@@HeatherHolt I was a teenage boy at the time, Kate and Shannon were my favourite characters 😍. When they were being held captive on the other island I was already losing interest. That show started off great it went on too long and they tried to do too much imo. First there were 'the others' who turned into the Dharma initiative (who spoke Latin for no apparent reason). Then there was that murderous black smoke. Then there was time travel and don't even get me started on the numbers or the finale.
The creators of Lost did make another show worth watching called 'the Leftovers'. If you haven't seen it, it's definitely worth a watch!
@@nautilusfiles Dylan's theory was they're combating the degredation of the oceans. So it's not far off.
I also think Ricken's previous book 'The life of an American Gadfly' might shed some light on this. Although I always thought it was a metaphor for a recording bug/ the severed employee's lives or it might be political...
...and if you're enhancing images, there's a scene in the finale where Ricken's first two books are briefly visible. 'Wisdom' and 'Fun' are the only words I could identify. There's more clues here.
I didn't enjoy each theory equally. How many points do I have left? Sorry for speaking.
This session is over! 😂😂
How did you even SEE the mural??
I probably should snoop around Reddit more.
Seems to be handy for Better Call Saul, too.
But that seems like an endless, and snarky, rabbit hole.
Goat hole?
They just threw them in?
I had pet goats and hope to have some again, now that my friends bought me an acre of New Mexico desert, cuz im too old and cranky now for slumlords and bosses like Lumon.
Why did you choose the name, Nautilus?
I still think you're one of the most interesting creators I've subscribed.
They'd better not hurt them damn goats.
🐏there are no cost emoticons.
Only sheep.
Coincidence?
I think not.
Alex Jones is headed to the Big House.
No, I'm not drunk.
Im doing stream of consciousness, to entertain you back.
I know my way out....
Haha, no worries. I literally laughed out loud reading it, so I'd say I was entertained. Always good to see you and I'm glad you get a kick out of the videos! I watched Severance 3 times and never noticed the mural! Someone told me about it, so I looked it up (severance wiki) and it turned out to be real. I still wonder if it was intentional, or an unfinished set piece? A subliminal message? Definitely check out that reddit for Severance. I learned a lot from my time there.
I chose the name for a few reasons. I love nautiluses (nautili?), octopi and cuttlefish, it references Jules Vernes (I love scifi novels) and it made me think of "diving" as a metaphor for analyzing stories and characters.
Nautilus is not a fun word to spell though.
I hope you find yourself on that spot in NM, beautiful state to live in!
#FreeTheGoats
i think that Helly planning to murder/suicide her outie was just so dark that the writers needed something light and absurd to change the mood of the episode
The simplest explanation to me is that Lumon needs to have some animal to use for lethal experiments involving future generations of chips. They can't have advanced as far as they have before Season 1 without doing a lot of experimentation that they wouldn't want to do in humans for practical reasons (we know Lumon seemingly has no moral or ethical limits as far as playing God).
I think every department is trying to perfect the development of different aspects of consciousness, for the purpose of some type of immortality/cloning thing?
Yup! That is totally possible. There is one theory that suggests that the goats are just goats, and that goat-dude's work is the entire point and what Lumon is gathering data on for severance.
I wouldn’t read much into the mural. They may simply have repurposed an old set and painted over it.
The goats contain the chips of each of the former Lumon CEOs
yoooo King Gizzard reference 5:09
I legit typed the Sacrifice theory about the goats actually being children and they were being raised for the alter or something like that, and then deleted it because I thought it would be too crazy.. lol.. wow!
You can ditch the idea of the goats being children.
Mark was able to see Devon's baby, Eleanor, so the idea that the chip is so precise that it could selectively choose which infants to mask as goats stretches beyond the suspension of disbelief.
"The first thing we know is... the GoAtS"
The line actually goes: "The first thing of course is... the GoAtS" Thought I'd point that out before the sneaky people like me reply on the comment 😂
I just wish they were baby sheep instead of goats. That would fit much better with the tempers theme