Severance Theories #1 - Cobel's Shrine
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- Part one of a series of videos I'm planning to make covering some of the topic's you guys requested. We're starting off with Cobel's Shrine/Altar thingy and the popular theories related to it.
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A boarding school or an orphanage would be a perfect testing ground since the kids wouldn't be missed.
Good point! They could have their choice without setting off any alarms. It's also a good place to start indoctrination and recruiting.
That theory is so creepy yet sooo good.
hello the beatles
its an orphanage called strawberry fields, didn't mccartney and lennon both "lose" "their" "mothers" very early ?
it’s so true! and there are definitely some hints in the show that Lumon is trying to do sketchy things to children…
Leave the doors closed or open ? "Both" - that's a nice argument for the double personality in one body theory :)
Cobels got that eye contact that cuts to your soul. Excited to find out her origin story. I love all these ideas! Keep ‘‘em coming my guy
Thanks, Heather! I'd never seen Arquette play this kind of character before. She's too good!
Harmony is quite an enigma to say the least. Some people seem to think she is severed, but is not really consistent with how she behaves. She is clearly interested in Mark and whether he can remember his wife, but she pursues this goal both in Lumen and outside of Lumen. Like the one time she brought the candle from Mark's house specifically to see his reaction at work. Or that time where she was asking his sister, whether Mark sees Gemma everywhere. She is definitely not severed at least not the same way others are.
Another option is, that she is severed, but her severed version gets to live both inside and outside of lumen. Maybe like a reward for loyalty, you get to take over the outie's life. But if that is the case, why is the control switch marked as off when Dylan is in the security office.
Or perhaps she is severed, but her outie is living both inside and outside, but this one does not really make much sense. Maybe they are threatening her to make the innie the dominant one if she turns her back on the company?
Maybe we are misunderstanding what the orange / green switch in the security office means. Maybe it does not indicate whether the chip is active, but simply whether the person is currently on the severed floor? Or maybe Harmony S is a completely different person and they are just trying to confuse us. Anyway I spin this, I can't make head or tails of it.
I personally like the idea that she’s ordinarily an outie, but she has a chip so the company can turn her into an innie, perhaps to control her, or for some other reason. I saw a comment under a difference video theorizing the opposite, that maybe she’s a permanent innie? That would also explain some things but it seems a bit far-fetched.
Mark lives in corporate housing and she just so happens to be his next door neighbor?
I think she was one of the first to be severed, but got trapped on her innie for good, and forgot her previous life, including her deceased mother, giving her the idea of the company being her everything since is all she knew. If you wanna go darker, her ill mom could have offered her little daughter as guinea pig in exchange to receive medical treatment herself, and if you wanna go even darker, maybe her daughter killed her mom when she found out that her mom used her a payment. And maybe thats why she never returned to her outtie form, to avoid the guilt. Or maybe not, just wondering.
Dark, yes, but still very interesting theories. I am almost certain that she wants to be reintegrated so that she can remember her mother. The question is: Why did she get severed in the first place? Your theory answers that. If her mother put her up to it, that could be really interesting.
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I had no idea what to make of the shrine, other than it hammered home that Cobel was not quite like your average Jane Doe. Tossing out different possibilities with the pros and cons of each is an awesome idea to get viewers thinking and discussing. I love this format and look forward to more entries like this :)
High praise! *bows* Thanks for the feedback! I'll definitely make more of these. Being able to reason out the theories like this allows me to see things I missed due to my own biases.
I get excited when I see a new severance video from you!
Thanks for this. I was hoping for someone to do a deep dive on Cobel's shrine.
I thought the name on the breathing tube was her mother as well. I hope we get deeper insights into Cobel (and Milchik, and everyone really 🤣) in season 2. We need more backstory!
Thank you, Jennifer🙌 Charlotte being her mother is about the only guess I'm comfortable saying is almost certainly true. Still, it's fun looking at all the possibilities.
Could Corbel be an illegitimate child of Eagan and she is trying to work her way into being a recognized heir? if so, maybe she sees Helly's betrayal of Severance as an opening to step in and take her place in the family.
Maybe some of this question is answered in an episode (I was rushing through the first few episodes to catch up) but why was Mark given the task of onboarding Helly? He obviously had no previous experience in acclimating newcomers, and especially why was he given this task for one who was to be the halo employee for Lumon, the founders own daughter?
Also, Lumon obviously has thousands of Severed employees. Are they ALL dumped onto a conference table and guided through the process by a coworker?
Love the mystery.
I think there is a strong chance that she is an Eagan's child and not just a devout follower. She seems to desire more from the board, and Eagan family, than a paycheck and a pat on the back.
Good question about Mark, and Helly's orientation. My first guess would be that they did it out of the need to keep the departments isolated, and Mark is the lead in the group? Maybe that's a lead responsibility. Mark is so inexperienced, as you said. Why Mark and not Milchick?
Mark gives the impression that he had the same experience as Helly on his first day, which makes me think they do this to everyone. That is beyond weird.
That's what I was wondering. I'm also wondering if Devon or Ricken is somehow related to the black sheep of the Eagan family since they have goat statues all over their home. Irv referred to one of the Eagans, Ambrose, I think, as the black sheep of the family when they went on their field trip to the Perpetuity Wing. This may also explain why she keeps close tabs on Mark.
It also may be that the name "Harmony" is itself a reference to the multiple names and personas that she uses in "harmony" towards the same goal...whatever that is.
Nice video! I can never catch all those details, let alone put them together. Just wanted to mention that the hospital wrist band shows 1944 as the year of Charlotte's birth. But the only reason I know that was because I went backwards on your video and paused it long enough to see if it said dob and it did.
Spot on theories. Any of these could hold water. So much fun (or stress lol) the writers must have with a thousand different directions they could go.
I think this show has a lot of potential to be big if the quality stays the same in season 2, and you have a chance to carve out a real niche here! Really great stuff, can't wait for more
I agree. I hope the writers can keep some things a mystery as this show lopes along and not start writing in cheats if ratings drop a bit.
I never watched Lost but I understand that is what happened at times. I appreciated Breaking Bad precisely BECAUSE they did not take many (if any) convenient excuses to wriggle out of a a sticky storyline. Some of the early secondary character stuff they seemed to just drop (Marie's kleptomania, Jr's disability) but I feel that was the writers way of finding focus on the "real" storyline. From what I understand, The writers were not too far ahead of the production schedule. But I digress.
I think Severance has legs as far as where it can go and who to follow. Looking forward to more.
There's good reason to be concerned. I believe they signed up for a second season right before episode 9. I would like to think that season 2 was at least partially done... or outlined, just in case. I think they need to continue at this same pace. Consistency will be everything with this one.
Great videos. Just discovered them and I'm binging them. One point, the date on the breathing tube is a date of birth. You can specifically see "DOB" when Harmony clutches it to her chest. But if we assume Harmony is about the same age as Patricia Arquette, then Charlotte being Harmony's mother makes sense. A DOB of 1944 would put her Charlotte in her early twenties when Harmony was born.
The name Kier means 'Dark' and the greenish blue droplet flame above the shrine, is the same as the Lumon Industries logo on the badges.
3:50 may be the reason most of the MDR team is there. Mark lost his wife, we can assume Irv lost someone due to Lumon, Darryl may have lost his wife and is a single dad. These deaths, may be why they were recruited and why the numbers may impact them more than a person with no extreme grief
They're going to introduce new characters, it's just a matter of how. Imo the rival corporation is going to feature heavily, as well as other Lumon departments or locations. Similar to Lost and 24, there seemed to be a group behind the scenes pulling strings. Then you find out the following season there's another group manipulating them. Like Russian dolls. In a few seasons I think the mystery behind 'the board' will be unraveled and they won't seem so menacing or mysterious. I also think Milchick will die - but that's just a hunch because usually they kill off a main character. They already murdered the security guy so there's a precedent for that.
I would love to see some new characters added to the lineup. We still don't know who the other person is that turned on/off the overtime contingency along with Graner. We need more departments revealed and, as you said, we need to see who makes up the board. I have a wild theory: It's the disembodied chipped personalities of dead Eagans being housed in a machine or a person via severance...
If Milchick dies it would probably be because of a conflict with Cobel or Reghabi goes 2 for 2 lol. Before that happens, we need at least one more Milchick Dance Experience.
@@nautilusfiles I did wonder about the overtime contingency and who the other person was. That's a wild theory about the Lumon board. Wouldn't it be creepy if they were in those mannequins and talking like the muppets?
I imagined it was Cobel that kills Milchick too, not sure why, perhaps it's some kind of redemption arc. It would be a shame if Milchick goes before he's had another dance scene, that's true. Perhaps a dance off with Dylan.
I think the character's innies are going to have to be reset now as we saw 'clean slate' as one of the options.
@@rickenfatania Oh man, if those mannequins were housing their chips that would be freaky. It is called the perpetuity wing, which could have a dual and literal meaning.
Yeah, I'm sure a clean slate is coming. I wonder how deep the reset goes. Are they going to make them day-one employees again? I would guess no, because they would have to re-train them and lose progress on all that time sensitive refining. If they just wipe the day of the escape without deleting Dylan's secret overtime experience with Milchick, maybe that becomes the seed for the next plot attempt at getting out. Either way, the reaction from the board will undoubtedly drastic and harsh.
@@nautilusfiles Milchick is awesome. They'd better not kill him, lol!
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Awesome! Thank you so much :)
I kinda think that it's possible that maybe mark works at lumon by obligation too... but a few other things would have to be true. Maybe when Gemma got into the accident, Lumon offers some sort of treatment that was the only way to save her life, on the condition that Mark works for them. But, outie mark is fully convinced that she is dead, so they would've had to somehow erase his memory of Gemma surviving? idk
I think you’re on to something when you said “maybe the trauma of losing her mother (Charlotte Cobel) was too great and she couldn’t cope”. What if she developed a split personality due to emotional trauma as a child? That would be Ms Cobel (imitating her mother) vs. Mrs Selvig. Lumon may have marketed severance to her as a treatment, creating a new personality named “harmony” that’s not afflicted. But something went wrong, maybe it was one of the first chips to be implanted, so it doesn’t work as it is supposed to. That would explain all the confusing personas and how randomly they seem to appear
I'm extremely late to this, as I just re-watched Severance recently and decided to start diving into theory videos.
I just wanted to point out that the 1944 date on Charlotte's breathing tube could actually be Charlotte's birthdate, not the date of when the breathing tube was used, or the year she was in the hospital. This could have been states already in the comments section as I didn't comb through all 94 of them. Just food for thought!
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Fascinating. I so enjoyed the first season of this puzzle-box sci-fi show. Your videos have the most thoughtful analysis of Severance I have seen, and I appreciate the music, editing, and overall production. I also really like your voice. Great work, looking forward to more, subscribed 👍
Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for your support! 😊
I totally feel like we'll get something like altered carbon in S2, where Kier consciousness is in Helly's father, and he's severed with Kier as doppleganger.
The date on a hospital tag is generally the patient’s date of birth, which would make sense with Harmony’s current age.
You mean it's her mother's birth, right?
I was looking for this comment. It’s her mom (charlotte’s) DOB. Which makes sense with the age of the daughter
Exactly 🙂 it clearly says DOB (date of birth) 3-17-44 on the bracelet
your next video needs to be about Ricken!
Ricken is getting his time in the sun soon 😂. He might actually be an important character.
@@nautilusfiles i've entertained a few ideas. They went into a lot of detail with this character including naming his first 4 books - although you only get glimpses - I think it foreshadows events.
@@rickenfatania Yeah, I have a similar take. I think the writers made him look ridiculous to throw us off the scent, but there are some subtle indications that there is more to him than meets the eye.
Maybe you bring this up in a later video, but I think Charlotte is on life support with Gemma on the testing floor. One of the overrides is “Glasgow”, which some theorize is reference the “Glasgow coma scale”. If her mother is on the testing floor but in a coma, then maybe Harmony is trying to bring her mother back to life in a way that she will still remember and recognize her daughter, which is why she experiments with Mark and Gemma in the wellness session. 107hrs is not very long to be awake for Gemma relative to when we think the crash occurred. Is that because the dead can’t be activated for long stretches of time? Is Harmony’s mother down in testing with only a limited amount of hours because she would have been one of the first dead brought back to life? Recall that Petey’s map has a section for housing that says people live here. Also, someone said (Petey?) that there are people at Lumon who never leave. I.e. their “innie” is their primary self, and their outtie is secondary, if at all.
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Ms.Cobel is the most interesting and mysterious character I have seen in a while
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Haha, you're not the only one to suggest it. I could see myself trying it out. You never know...
I really like that you're going to explore theories about Severance. There's a TON of interesting theories and really clever ideas about how the plot is going to unveil the past of certain characters.
Personally, i think that Cobel will be an ally to the MDR team, all this mistery points with her mother and her past, has to mean something. And that something, has to be a major twist, otherwise it'll be just for the sake of she being evil or an antagonist.
I think you could be right. Her affection for Mark could ultimately be the thing that gets her to side with MDR when it matters. They have something in common that she has not revealed yet. I get the sense that Cobel does not agree with severance, in general, and would like to see it end. Her beef is not ideological, but from personal tragedy related to severance, and this is why she hates innies but doesn't necessarily want to bring down Lumon over it.
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About the hospital tag on the breathing tube: I'm pretty sure that says DOB which is date of birth. This works out fine for her mother's DOB. My father had me in his mid-30s and I'm in my early-40s:: he was born in 1942. So you see the math works out if her mother had her in her twenties.When I had my children the hospital put my and my children's DOB on our hospital bracelets etc.
I think her mother was one of the first severed. Most likely they experimented their devices in medical trails on people who donated their bodies to science/research(experiment treatment). Cobell could of been the child of the innie version cause we know the innies end up having relations or getting abused and she grew up with two similarly intense but vastly different mothers (like how Helly and her outtie are the same but also vastly different.) it would explain so much for why she’s so obsessed with with Mark and reintegration and if it ever happens because, A her mom is still alive and still a part time employee or B she experiences some signs of reintegration with her mother which is why she knew when petty started to reintegrate. Just my crazy theory 😝
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In the security room you see that she is severed and on the panel with the names, but it says deactivated. What if she was raised severed from a younger age and brought through the ranks and instead of them killing her “innie” they killed her “outie” and made it permanent that she is in the severed state so she wouldn’t forget anything she was raised and brainwashed with. That means she doesn’t know her mother or other facts about her life and she is desperately trying to so that is why she was so fixated on Mark remembering things from the outside world when severed and why she is so interested in the reintegration.
Woah. Mind blown 🤯
Did you notice the chip necklace
I think perhaps there are those that are thrice severed and characters we know are on the board.
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Thank you, Amanda!😊
First of all I love your videos and damn do you have a voice that was made to narrate. The theories are sound and have my brain pondering. However, I’m wondering if we’re taking Severance a little too literally rather than being more of an allegory for those over arching themes. The show’s main message seems to be how religion and corporate ideology use specific systems to indoctrinate our cult(ure). Cult applying to how individuals and whole societies naively (innies) follow the inanity of their day to day tasks and/or only read from the holy handbook without question…until of course they start questioning. Besides the breathing tube what if the altar is just heavy handed symbolism illustrating the company’s cult like influence on its workers?
On a side note one of the questions I had was why the self help book was left in the conference room. Milchick has so little room for error that I almost wondered if it was intentional. Or did Cobel make sure it was found as she not only stole it but brought it to the office. Didn’t seem like an accident.
Thanks, I appreciate the compliment. To answer your question, I don't see why it can't be both. The altar can be both symbolic representation and a literal hint meant to pique our interest regarding Harmony's past. My interpretation of this show is that it is both a scifi mystery and a critique on the cult of work.
Stiller once said in an interview that even the eggs in the "egg bar scene" had to be used, because they carried some clue to story elements not revealed yet. The entire campaign is an unraveling mystery fed to us one painfully slow spoonful at a time, and I think it's only natural that people want to try piece things together before they get the full picture. The writers are banking on that.
All that, and speculating is just... fun.
As for the contraband, we're supposed to believe Milchick running off in response to that alarm is the reason he left it out, but you would think he would remember it and try to find it later. It does seem like a strange choice, and it made me think that the writers needed a reason for the book to find its way to MDR. I can't say if Cobel had intentions here. In the scene where she hands it to Milchick to be opened, she seems to act like she had no idea what it was. It's possible she did know and wanted it to get onto the floor. Like most of season one, everything is meant to tease. I can see Harmony knowing and letting it slide though, as part of her little experiment.
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Also at 2:42, CHARLOTTE is the mother, not Harmony …
I think there's a big clue in Harmony's name. You need more than one voice to harmonise & I think that implies Harmony's apparent contradictions may be due to double-personalities or something similar.
Maybe I missed something in your theory, but if Cobel is in her mid 50's, she would have had to been born between 1965-1968 (as you said, assuming the show takes place around the time of it's creation and the characters age is similar to the actresses age). If that's the case, Charlotte could only be her Mother if she survived her illness and had Cobel 20 years later. Which wouldn't explain the boarding school. What if, though, there WAS the technology required to do Severance in 1944 or even earlier? Currently our military has technology that is 10-20 years ahead of what the general public has, mostly developed in the private sector, so why not back then? I feel for any of this to work, that would have to be the case. If that's the case, it could be that Charlotte was brought into Lumen, put on life support & was somehow treated and kept alive at Lumen (like Mark's wife) then gave birth to Corbel 'in captivity' as it were? That would explain boarding school. And perhaps Charlotte was kept alive on life support all that time and they let Corbel see her as a child or after she did actually die, hence her attachment to a mother she never had a chance to know and why she would of been in a Lumen boarding school.
The other Theory that Charlottes consciousness was put into her child, Harmony's body at some point also makes sense from the above perspective. Perhaps Charlotte's mother was an Catholic and Charlotte herself was an Atheist or vice versa, making Corbel statements that her Mother was a Catholic and that her Mother was an Atheist, both true. This theory could mean that while Charlotte worships Kier and Lumen because they gave her her life back, Corbel could hate them for taking her (Harmony's) life from her (assuming the merging was done at a later point in Harmony's life) and also for taking her Mother away from her as well. This could create a scenario of 3 consciousness in one - Charlotte's, Harmony's & Corbel's which is created from the merging of the 2.
Which brought me to the thought that we know next to nothing about any of the employees. What if all of them have lost a parent to Lumen, with some of them being raised in Lumen Orphanages and some by remaining family members? This would explain why Kier always refers to them as 'My Children'. What if the MDR job is deciding who lives or dies on Lumen life support or deciding some other factor of theirs or their offsprings life? I've just finished Season 1 and started the deep dive on it, can't wait for Season 2!
For some reason I don't believe Charlotte is her mother. My theory is that Cobels original name was Charlotte. When she was young she got ill and nearly died, hence the breathing equipment. Perhaps she was in a coma for 20 years and didn't age properly ,then Lumon took her in and saved her and gave her the severance procedure. She was used as the very first test subject and her innie became Harmony Cobel. Then they transferred her harmony consciousness back into her outie Charlotte body, while at the same time taking away some memories from the Innie. The Mrs Selvick persona is a combination of Harmony Cobel, trapped inside Charlotte Cobels body without her full memories, just pieces of each.
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The wrist band says Charlott was BORN in 1944. It do3es not say that is when she was in the hospital. Chances are Charlotte was at death's door and allowed to continue life as the outie part of her daughter's life as Ms Selvig. Ms Selvig may also have Been a nanny for someone else in the show, as she clearly has a good sense of how to handle children. If that is corredt it would mean that in ny and outyie this case however /
Is Cobel/Selvig severed? I thought the fact that she snooped on Mark, took the book off the doorstep, and brought it into work was the show telling us she isn't. Also her emotional reaction on the outside to getting fired led me to believe she was the one on the floor that didn't get the procedure. Did I miss something in the show where they say she is?
Wouldn't 3-17-44 be Charlotte's birthday, which would be workable for her to be Harmony's mom.
If this show really were set in the present day, then someone would have to explain the office computers strongly resembling those of the 1980s.
Early 1990s the schools I was in were sometimes running those 1980s computers, because schools have no money. But here we're looking at some kind of megacorporation with the kind of money you could use to take over whole countries, so I don't think they would have any trouble keeping some hardware up to date.
Assuming it is intentional, retro tech would make it easier to control what goes on down on the severed floor when it comes to data transmission (no USB, wifi, IR). It would also make it easier for Lumon to control what employees can access and reduce the points of attack a hacker could use from the outside, much like how submarines use older tech to reduce the chance of cyber-attacks.
@@nautilusfiles A bunch of companies just put you in front of a Windows computer in kiosk mode, where it's so locked down you can't even leave the application it starts in, which is usually whatever data entry app they want you using. I had a few experiences like this doing data entry while I couldn't get any stable work.
Data forensics workers often have to work inside offices which are shut off from the outside world, on modern hardware but with no connection to the internet. They forfeit their phones and similar devices on entry, and the kind of work they do is more or less sifting through large screens of numbers which would mean nothing to the casual observer, so I always found this show to strongly resemble that kind of work. I don't think they ever have to deal with goats though.
The look of the intercom speaker also screams 70s or 80s, so I had figured it was actually set in that era, except sadly there's also enough evidence that it's modern. So I dunno, someone in the company _really likes_ retro hardware for some reason. If it were just about cutting people off, companies and organisations today have a number of working techniques which aren't nearly as crazy.
If she doesn't remember her mother because she was severed or it happened before she could remember it makes sense that she'd have different histories. She would have imagined her mother in different ways, maybe she was Catholic, maybe an Atheist, I bet when she was little she imagined these different versions of her mother in different situations like an imaginary friend whose personality keeps changing because Harmony doesn't know the truth. Edit: incorrect inference
We only know for certain that Charlotte's last name is Cobel. Assuming Charolotte is her mother (unconfirmed), it is likely that Harmony was given that surname at birth. She still uses the Selveig name on the outside, which would more likely be her married name. If she started working for Lumon before being married, it would explain why she is called "Cobel" within Lumon. However, if she started work at Lumon after being married, it could mean that she is indeed the Harmony S. listed in the control room but is called Cobel because she is known to the Eagan family as such due to their connected history. Every theory relies on suppositions, sometimes several, so who knows? Nothing is concrete until we hear it from the writers next season.
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@@nautilusfiles oh yeah, makes sense .
@@nautilusfiles I definitely shouldn't have led with that because it wasn't even my main thought.
@@edalove Your theory about how she remembers her mother makes a lot of sense. If she was severed at young age, she might be mixing up stories or, both anecdotes could be true if her severed states had different experiences with her mother. She could also just be testing Mark's severance again lol. I hadn't even considered these ideas back when I wrote the script for this video. She definitely seems to have two personalities, or at least some kind of split in her psyche, for reasons we don't fully know yet. The writers certainly seem to want us to think she yeans for Charlotte and severance is somehow related to her goals.
Did Cobels mom have harmony while she was laid up comatose in the hospital? Like maybe Charlotte was in a coma in the hospital for a whiiiiiile, then got knocked up kill bill style or maybe even some early “test tube” baby experiment, and “had” harmony. So harmony was then put into and indoctrinated in the orphanage school. And maybe she found out or was told who her real mom was and what she had sacrificed for the eagans. So anyone going against the eagans would be going against her mother in harmony’s mind. Her mothers sacrifice would be tarnished by anyone who wasn’t a true believer in severance. And maybe harmony’s moms personality was somehow chipped and is stored somewhere, and harmony wants it to be restored in someone else’s body so her mom can live again.
Maybe that’s why she’s always so into Gemma and mark and seeing if they recognize each other. If a chip that came out of someones head (like harmony referred to Peteys chip as Petey) can be put into someone else’s brain and while they’re severed, they’re this other person (how Gemma is Ms Casey).
TL;DR : Harmony was a test tube baby born of a comatose Charlotte, who was chipped before death, as an Eagan experiment. She is then raised in Eagan orphanage and indoctrinated, put into a management position at Lumon, which she uses to manipulate Mark and Ms. Casey to see if chips removed from one brain can be put into another person and take over that other persons personality completely, in the hopes she can bring her mother back one day.
Or something like that.
🤯 me brain hurt
OK.. hold on... this is GOOD. Suspense-thriller novelist good. I never considered a coma, but that works really well as explanation. Severance being able to bring a comatose person "back"! So, Harmony wants to know if her mother can be 'resurrected' so to speak.
The breathing tube was the biggest puzzle piece to me, but your theory makes it work. She could have been on that breathing tube for years and had Harmony later on.
I do think the chips hold the personality and memories of once they've been used. "This is Petey..." There's a version of Petey on that chip! My big theory is that this is what Lumon wants, immortality via severance. They may have already achieved it, but they need to work out the kinks.
I've wondered if Cobel is the Outie, and whether she's Mark's birth mother. I'm eager for Season 2.
Those are two hotly debated theories, and I still hold out hope that she is severed because it makes a lot of sense when you look at her goals and actions.
@@nautilusfiles I see lots of theories that Charlot is in Cobel, but we haven't seen much proof that they can implant personalities, just that they can sever memories. I used to work with traumatic brain injured clients, and memory difficulties were often part of that. Just that alone can change someone's personality. The idea that they're switching personalities around is kinda like the movie "Get Out," so I'm not sure they'll do something so similar to such a popular IP.
Is it possible that the date on Charlotte Cobel’s breathing tube is a date of birth rather than a date of hospitalization?
Interesting how her car is white VW Rabbit, like in Alice in Wonderland, follow the white rabbit.
It is a stretch to presume that the actor's age and the character are about the same. There are countless examples in media of an actor playing ypunger or older and makeup does the trick.
"Stretch" would be a strong term. Most actors play roles close to their age, so assuming such falls well within the bounds of reason. The fact that makeup is used to disguise age proves as much.
Wait… Are Lumen Scientologists?
lol They're not too far from that
bracelet says DOB: so the date is 100% her DOB
(Charlottes)
Hear me out! Charlotte Cobel and Harmony Cobel are the same person!
i feel like charlotte being her mother is too straight forward for this show
Anyone find it odd that the shrine is in plain sight, apparently on the first floor of her home? We can see her well-lit stairwell right behind her. Does she never invite Mark or anyone to her home?
Probably not. I think she is only living there to surveil Mark's activities, so she probably doesn't have anyone over. That kind of thing would be hard to explain to a guest lol.
You realise that 1944 could not be the date of death of Charlotte Cobel if you've already concluded Harmony is too young to be born in 1944.....Harmony's mother can't be dead at a date earlier than Harmony's birth! Clearly 3.17.44 is the date of Charlotte's birth (as patient medical bracelets often contain date of birth to cofirm a patient's identity). This would make Harmony's mother 79 (if she were still alive in the present day) with Harmony probably being 20-25 years younger (mid-fifties which as you mentioned, is just right). My theory is that Lumon is resurrecting/cloning/transferring memories of dead people into living people (eg. their founder and CEO's, and whatever they did to Gemma) and that Harmony's worship of Kier and loyal service at Lumon is her way of seeking that same kind of resurrection for her mother.
This also pushes back the date of your "earliest versions of severance" theories to the 1960's (when Harmony was probably born) but MORE likely the 70's or 80's when Harmony would have been old enough to know her mother and have an emotional connection with her in order for her to care about her death.
The symbology of the number 9 is hell from the Dante book divine comedy and popular even in religion!
The Devine touch of nine is satan in person 🤔🤣. Is where the worst sinners are in the 9⁰ level of the hell of Dante !
Isn’t severance in present day?
It appears so, but we don't get any dates we can reference. to confirm it.
@@nautilusfiles So it worths checking the cars.
@@MrGyl666 I recently read that Stiller said the story takes place around 2018. You don't see late model cars in the show, which is odd. Mark's Volvo looks like a mid 90s "940" and Cobel is definitely in a VW Rabbit, circa 1985. Mark's cellphone looks fairly modern- post 2010. The story takes place in an alternate version of reality, so it's hard to say why that discrepancy exists.
severance is set in countless overlapping 3d simulation worlds, created by optics and design, so its hard to say. i don't think that we've seen the real world once yet
I need a video breakdown of Dylan's waffle party.
I’d a goat mask worn by one of the dancers in the waffle party?
Please do this stranger a favor and ditch that SpongeBob seagull stock sound forever
No, not a stock recording, nor is it from Spongebob.
I will keep using it.
Im guessing Harmony and Charlottle are one in the same. I feel that Charlotte was near death and was allowed a "revolving" and was given a new body that her consciousness was transferred into. That's why she views Kier as a diety, as godlike powers were used on her. Also, it explains why she wears old-fashioned wearing as she is an old soul in a newer body
That's pretty much where I stand on it, until we get reasons to think otherwise. It's the best explanation for her obsession with reintegration, given the clues we are given about her past.