Killed in El Salvador: An American Story | Retro Report | The New York Times
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- In 1980, the murder of four American churchwomen focused attention on the United States’ involvement in El Salvador. Nearly 35 years later, the case continues to take surprising turns.
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I'll say this, the NYT isn't always on the ball, but they certainly have done a great job with this series as retrospective reporting. I've learned a lot of things I might not otherwise have learned about history.
"New York Times History" Cool story, bruh!
If I were an El Salvadoran "leftist" and were contemplating ways to isolate the El Salvadoran government and military globally, and disrupt U.S. financial support I might make some kind of sacrifice that would bring universal condemnation for the government and military of El Salvador, while increasing sympathy for my cause ... very convenient that the military committed this act for the benefit of their enemy.
But, yeah, the NYT's got the story RIGHT.
@@1966johnnywayne OH come on! Please tell me you're not a MAGA commenting on this. As a Salvadoran, I can tell you there were many horrendous things done in the name of the fight against communism and there were many US-backed massacres, so yes! This is right. At least Robert White was an ambassador sharing the truth (as you can see in the no-longer classified files) which is rather different than the ambassadors we keep receiving as the forever backyard of the United States who forever will know what's best for OTHER countries. -.-
Same!
@@1966johnnywayne Thought we left behind the whole "cool story, bruh!" back in 2009, saying that cringey nonsense will end up making people disregard/skip whatever you have to say, seeing as it's something a 12 y.o on 4chan would say.
Also before you go spewing quotes, at least make sure you get them right lmao. It's also interesting that you can't even reply to other comments without spewing the same nonsense, at least think before you copy & paste~
The US government was spending a million dollars a day in military aid for El Salvador, those very death squads that killed these kind ladies were funded by the US and what’s more most death squad member (Sombra Negra) were trained in the USA. They were brought here and trained to “deal with the communist pest” . There’s is so much still to be told about what happen in El Salvador
Sombra Negra is something else , 100% Salvadorian jajaja . Post 2000 meant for hunting down criminals and making them an example
I don't blame USA wholly simply because up until the 90's El Salvador was a fascist country on its own without US help
El Salvador military in the 1930's would be trained by Germans and that's why they were like that . Alot of people don't know El Salvador was a National Socialist country during ww2 . The racial laws were reversed in the 80's but the military still had a fascist tradition
how about you research also the THOUSANDS of murders committed by the communist terrorists of the FMLN?
Argentina, Chile, El Salvador... The US government has a lot of blood on its hands.
...Guatemala, Afghanistan, 'nam, Iraq etc. etc. etc.
Natives and Blacks also!
If more people could admit that, we’d have a better country.
rrrrright, cause leftist organizations never contribute to the death and destruction.
LOL - give me a break, these south American countries were and are shitholes by their own hands, but if any outside entity deserves the marker of "having blood on its hands" it was the USSR who weaponized and propped up these terrorist regimes in order to install Left-wing communist dictators. Give the "blame America first" MO a rest.
Wow seeing them being dragged out of the dirt was so awful. It just makes it so much more real it’s so scary.
It was a HORRIFIC crime . These women did nothing wrong , they cared for these people, so much , that they returned to El Salvador, knowing they would probably be killed .
I’m really digging these retro reports and honestly, learning things
Yeah, cool story, bruh!
If I were an El Salvadoran "leftist" and were contemplating ways to isolate the El Salvadoran government and military globally, and disrupt U.S. financial support I might make some kind of sacrifice that would bring universal condemnation for the government and military of El Salvador, while increasing sympathy for my cause ... very convenient that the military committed this act for the benefit of their enemy.
But, yeah, the NYT's got the story RIGHT.
"I regard this as completion of duty."
That was amazing.
RIP Robert White, a good man.
"The idea that they're going to investigate their own crimes in a serious way... is simply an illusion."
Sounds familiar.
the US government needs to be held accountable for what they did to Central America especially to El Salvador !!!!
Then go do it
Never going to happen......
Amen
I’m from El Salvador and this hurts me
Credit to the ambassador in trying to bring the investigation forward.
many people were tortured and disappeared in my country Honduras by death squads trained by the US as well, its sad many Americans don't know the awful crimes the us has committed by intervening in other countries in the name of "liberty and democracy"
very true!! and not only in one country but various.
Exacto amigo así es , aquí sufrimos 12 años de aterradora guerra por la intervención gringa apoyando a un ejército asesino .
I know more than one sided garbage. Both sides were wretched in their behavior.
@@robertortiz-wilson1588 🤓
@@robertortiz-wilson1588 “Overall, the United Nations estimated that FMLN guerrillas were responsible for 5 percent of atrocities committed during the civil war, while 85 percent were committed by the Salvadoran security forces. Accountability for these civil war-era atrocities has been hindered by a 1993 amnesty law”
"Removed from the US" when they should have been in prision all this time, as many other participants that had anything to do with the killing of thousands of innocent people. Like the nuns, a lot of people who had nothing to do with the guerrilla died, sometimes it is misconceived that the guerrilla was responsible for all those deaths and while it was responsible for some, it has no comparison to what the military did, just for living in a village where a guerrilla man lived you could be murdered, children, pregnant women, knifed and shot without any mercy, students, so many innocent people. It is sad to see how many people died and how much the military was aided by the US government only because of "fear of communism", that is bs and so many lives would have been spared if the US had never helped the military.
Yes, basically why the civil war happen and why people left their country.
Cecilia Interiano. So the people living in the village of the guerrilla leaders couldn't give a tip to the government?, That make them partners in crimes
Those Generals should have had a long date with a Hatchet and Plyers...
@@jorgehdz2030 It doesn’t make them partners in anything. There were many who probably didn’t even know any guerrilla soldiers. Children and woman killed for no reason. Please be more respectful about their deaths.
@@curlyfries9234 You are absolutely correct. Thank you for adding that.
“...I view it as a completion of duty.”
That sentence with the context at hand will never not give me chills.
All my uncles served in the civil war. The stories they tell me are almost unbelievable and one of them still suffers from PTSD he has burst of outrage, another is missing his leg from a land mine. I am so lucky that my mother decided to get up and attempt to come to the US.
Chris Vicious 209 Let me guess, they were part of the Salvadoran army.
Now you can go back its a better country now
My friend’s son was working with the Catholic charities and these women. He came home to Pittsburgh because she (his mother) had been diagnosed with cancer. Two days later this atrocity occurred. His mother’s illness saved his life. 🤷🏻♀️ Some stories you never forget.
Thank you for posting this, The New York Times.
Jonathan Michael how izc
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Xavier Mateo what?
Looking into this event because my mother in law was a teacher at an El Salvador Univeristy during this event and saw countless slaughtered infront of her while making her escape. Truly is a horrific event. Gives me a better grasp of what she went through.
Why is the US playing police? Who gave them the right
The UN. They put the US in the Permanent 5 (the World Police Department), along with the UK, France, Russia, and China.
The US funded those death squads. When i was young i saw the tv movie about Jean Donovan played by Melissa Gilbert called Choices of the heart. It stuck with me all my life. God bless them.
The movie salvador showed them as well however it was pretty graphic
agreed
Yeah what they did to these four nuns was repeated thousands of more times to Salvadorian people this is what those murderers did
Classic America. Harbouring war criminals while leaving it's own citizens without justice.
I assume you have specific examples to back that up, yes? We're waiting...
craigsgirl48167 Nazi's living in America and granted immunity from their war crimes is the best example.
kcazaa The US did not grant them immunity. The few remaining war criminals remain here despite being stripped of their citizenship & ordered deported by the Department Of Justice. The problem? NO OTHER COUNTRIES WILL TAKE THEM. Do your research before you embarrass yourself again.
U$rahell
My dad was born in El Salvador was 5 years old when this happened.
It's interesting to learn more about my parent's home country, my parents ran away to the US because my dad got a death threat during the civil war in El Salvador and my mom needed to find a way to meet up with him and bring my older sisters over. My parents would tell me horrifying stories about how gang violence escalated so much that there would be dead bodies on the side of the roads sometimes and the military did not offer help.
Did your father reveal who sent the death threat? It seems to me that if the government and military were operating "death squads" with impunity and they viewed your father as a threat that they would have simply executed him. The leftists then, as today (ANTIFA), use intimidation and violence to coerce people into siding with them. Consider that these murders could just as easily have been carried out by the "revolutionaries" as a means to create global hostility to the E.S. government and military, while creating sympathy for their cause...just saying.
You're mixing up timelines. No gangs existed in El Salvador until way after the war
@@nazgulcelestial9129 I believe that my parents perceived both the oppositions to be gang-like, so I guess I misinterpreted it by thinking they meant actual official gangs. Either way, the violence escalated that the activities both sides engaged in were very gang-like. It isn't a good thing regardless.
@@1966johnnywayne I believe that the United States government as well as International Human Rights organizations came to the conclusion that the majority of massacres were indeed carried out by the Salvadoran Armed Forces. The UN Report mentioned General Garcia and General Vides Casanova who were aware of these crimes. They all knew. Sometimes Occams razor is correct and the simplest explanation is most likely the case. To suggest that the ARENA sympathizers were crypto commies is downright silly.
Whenever people say “oh both sides did bad things”, remember this:
“Overall, the United Nations estimated that FMLN guerrillas were responsible for 5 percent of atrocities committed during the civil war, while 85 percent were committed by the Salvadoran security forces. Accountability for these civil war-era atrocities has been hindered by a 1993 amnesty law.”
Really Sad. Man's inhumanity .
This is a great series!!
Forgotten by thier own goverment... never forgotten by the people they touched.
my dad was a kid when this happened... he was forced to fight. they went to schools to recruit kids into the war and if not they were killed.
Oliver Stone made an excellent film (Maybe his best) about this situation in El Salvador.
carolinafan2016 I've always felt that was one of the most realistic rape scenes ever filmed. Not that I would know from personal experience.
What's the name of the movie please?
@@morganstarchild3103 Salvador Oliver Stone movie
Along with “Salvador”, I highly recommend the movie “Romero.”
Let's not forget the School of the Americas trained the death squads that carried out the El Mezote massacre
Replace "Reagan" with "Obama" and imagine the response from Fox News if this were to happen nowadays.
Exclaty. El escuadron de la muerta was send my USA all the poor people from El Salvador getting kill each day and night my streets looks like roaches because there were so many people getting kill USA dint help us at all they only wanted out resources that we had 😔😔😔😔
ATravLedLife Obama would have been worst, he won't even move an inche
Michael Echeverria what was "the right winged media" back then?
Michael Echeverria why don't you leave me alone
Screw Reagan
The sad part is that the US backed up the civil war in El Salvador
My mother used to tell me stories about this. And how the us reacted so quickly and so efficiently compared to local response, as a way to teach me on how efficient someone can be.
We get very sad when we hear about these nuns
My mouth was hanging open the whole time watching this. It's not just the content that's shocking but also the fact that I knew nothing about it.
LARGA VIDA PARA HERMANITAS MARILOS ETERNA DONDE ESTEN.NUNCA SE LES OLVIDA
Not surprising America would want to deal with their interests rather than the people. Makes even more infuriating after the fall of the soviet union and the end of the cold war, that everyone involved tried to sweep things under the rug.
People doing good being killed for NO reason whatsoever,absolute savages😪.RIP.
How disgusting
I know in detail this story even one of the military families involved in the execution. The El Salvador justice system was corrupted beyond measure still is to this day I also know this as a fact since I'm a lawyer here.
That time in El Salvador was terrible. If a boy turned 13 they were taken by the army and trained to killed.
great video. very informational. this happened 3 years before my birth so thanks for educating me.
Education is key!!!
@@hankf666 Yes. It's also a great tool to help prevent stuff like this from happening again but sadly people are extremely blind to that & obsessed with their own greed.
At the end of the day it is sad but u can’t really walk into some one else’s country and demand justice I love how Americans think they can walk into a place even though it’s foreign and do what ever they want that’s not how it works you might have power in the United States but in a foreign country you have %0 rights you Americans are In no position to make any kind of demands Period end of story.
True,but its ironic that it was US American tax money and military aid that contributed to this problem. These nuns had nothing to do with radical communist leftist and were not told by tSalvo govt to leave. If you think this is bad, look up the massacres commited by the Salvadoran military in Morazan department and in collusion with the Honduran Armed Forces. This was a part of the policy of US trying to stamp out communism in central america during the cold war which had murderous results. The Reagan administration as good as it was covered these things up.
I love love love this channel
And the Usa wonders why we're here?
They are hypocrites.
Every single person from central America who wishes to come here should be granted automatic citizenship as compensation for the role our government has played in creating what is the most violent region in the world that isn't officially "at war" with another. A true humanitarian crisis largely because of uncle Sam. Everyone around the world should be welcome really. Our military is everywhere...
@themailman43 I grew up in El Salvador during the civil war, communism wasn't the only reason the peasants rose up against the government. They and their children were being killed by the army, they were even killing priests and the archbishop of San Salvador. Since they got away with these crimes they dared go after the American missionary and nuns thinking they could get away with that too.
My whole neighborhood and I witnessed the death squads as they came to pick up anyone suspected of being guerrilla or a collaborator. These people were found dead the next day or were never seen again.
And why was the US funding a repressive murderous government instead of helping the oppressed? By helping the poor and oppressed they could have fought the influence of communism.
@themailman43 What drugs are you on? Oh right, ignorance. The government of El Salvador at the time was a right-wing military dictatorship that took power after a coup. The US was on the offensive the entire time. Stop deluding yourself.
themailman43 ok boomer
Somebody needs to do special report of “The School of the Americas” and how the US trained Latinamerican military into torture and other questionable practices.
This story keeps me up at night sometimes, so upsetting.
El Salvador is still just as dangerous
It's finally safe now... But people like you will keep biching because they put criminals in jail to make the country safe...
How could they do that? I still can't get over it.
Thanks NYT. I wish more US citizens would see this.
The 80s in el salvador 🇸🇻 were a nightmare for all salvadorians many left my father, mother, and myself was 3 and came to the usa in 89 now 2023 el salvador 🇸🇻 has changed with nayib bukele alot
They send American tax dollars so a few scummy bastards can scoop it up.
ty new york times for getting the story right
If I were an El Salvadoran "leftist" and were contemplating ways to isolate the El Salvadoran government and military globally, and disrupt U.S. financial support I might make some kind of sacrifice that would bring universal condemnation for the government and military of El Salvador, while increasing sympathy for my cause ... very convenient that the military committed this act for the benefit of their enemy.
But, yeah, the NYT's got the story RIGHT.
Sad.
My house was set on fire with our entire family (2 parents/8kids) inside in 1989 We left within a year 2 yrs
Excelent documentary.-
Bro it’s just 4 American women killed and this always happen
Someday.....Someday will El Salvador have a martial law, oh wait it already does!
Why.dont you tell who training this killers!!!
In escuela de las americas and fort Benning?
wow...
😢
My father was drafted to civil war as a 12 year old but he escaped this is crazy if he would have fought i might have not existed he also had the option to be adopted by Canadians
REAGAN the " the" PONTIUS PILATE" the washed his hands with the blood of the innocent.
Daria Greer shut your mouth commie
Oh you really are a nerd 😂. I thought you joking !
Very tragic history.
The one general is wearing the follow me patch from the training facility at Fort Benning, the home of the 'Americas' training center when I was in bootcamp.
I'd say 75% of your videos are boring fluff but this is in the 10% that people should be watching. More like this please.
Shady Crzy what about the other 15%
Gravity_Falls_Up , this guy doesn't math.
My family lived near there
long Live Mr. Robert White...
Who
when you but into someones business,dont be suprised when you become their enemy
*US supports dictatorship in El Salvador*
*Salvador becomes violent and americans die*
USA pikachu surprised face
Protect your citizens by not interfering in other nations affairs!
ww2 germany would like a word with you...
Why, knowing the history and having documentaries, why now in 2023 are they against the security plan?
Post civil war in 1992 and a peace treaty; FMLN a Communist party who was fighting for the poor took power via a democratic election. Two parties Arena & FMLN would go on to take power via democratic elections, the problem was that for almost 30 years, these two parties have committed fraud, several presidents fleeing to neighboring countries. Until a new party was created "Nuevas Ideas" in 2017 led by the current president Nayib Bukele. Let's hope that this is a new beginning for the people of ES and that prosperity is created and that gangs are eliminated so that the people can live a humane life.
Aren't Nun's a wife of God? Boy would hate the afterlife for the people that killed them. If the U.S. government won't punish them God sure would.
This really is a sad and unfortunate thing that happened, I hope they are now in peace 😔.
That being said I am really disappointed by the people in this comment section who make it seem like El Salvador still lives like this. The truth is that the civil war ended years ago and of course we have dangerous areas (like most countries) but trust me , most of the country is completely safe and filled with nice welcoming people, I have lived here most of my life and never ever felt unsafe. I guess what I’m trying to say is please stop saying things like “Visit El Salvador and tell me how you feel when you end up dead” 😐 I know my country is not the most interesting place to visit but if you come here surely you’re not gonna end up dead, we have a lot of beautiful places, so many that I haven’t been able to visit them all, and you are gonna be really comfy in the city.
So yeah, visit El Salvador and I will make sure you leave wanting to come back.
Sorry for the rant
your country is still killing innocent people making it to look like "gang related shootouts" with planting guns on already dead people.
they execute mostly gang members in cold blood (or even ex gang members that are retired that simply has a gang tattoos on them) and sadly also a lot of innocent people gets killed because of this.
also your country has 18th street and ms-13 that still runs the streets.
so how safe is it then?
my brother married a woman from Salvador and they moved to my brother's country because of how things are.
Thank the US for leading the creation of ms13
would be a good movie
And my grandfather dug them up from their deathhole
The Average Life Of MJ Wow! He's a hero in my eyes!
@@janellirving4625 bc he dug up four dead people for an investigation? How was he a hero?
@@warnosewarnose6270 What would you call him, and I'm not trying to be rude.
@@warnosewarnose6270
I just got back from a missions trip in El Salvador.
🍪🍪🍪🤏🏽
My grandfather is in this video
more than 200,000 village died after the war
You can't do this
They probably were caught giving information
I wished people watch these type of videos to get informed, I know that a lot of people hate reading because of disabilities that weren't acknowledged or known; but they could listen to these instead of watching or listening to Alex Jones
I would rather people read the actual documentation videos can be altered and edited to suit a point of view. But definitely a dark chapter within the United States for sure and one reason above all can never fully trust those in power whether you agree with them or not. Politicians work in darkness in more ways than one
Alex Jones is a major critic of US foreign policy. Maybe you should realize you probably have a lot in common with Alex but have been brainwashed to hate him by the media.
@@toahordika6 major critic with O knowledge
That’s a pundit 🍯
@@JessCorey agree, I like to get deep into receipts
I was saying for people that don’t like to read
I live in a part of Texas where the majority have memorized the Bible but have never bother to read anything else. Staying cozy in their bubble if you know what I mean
mercedes gomez He actually he lots of good information. Besides Sandy Hook (which he has admitted he was wrong about), name me one thing he was wrong about?
Manufacturing Consent brought me here. Funny how NYT was disinterested in this while it was happening :p
The level of US overt support for state terrorism in latin america has no parallel in world history, all military officials were trained in what is today fort Benning. An entire continent was subjected to decades of terror, condemning millions of people to a state of arrested development from wich most people in this beautiful place simply can't escape.
i am from el salvador
What becomes of churches that lie in the end
American government is notorious for sticking their noses and other people's business and Country😮❤
Los embajadores americanos siempre han sido de tope a todo gas, esperemos que el nuevo este al mismo nivel que el y la anterior.
NEVER FORGET ALAS MARILOS
MY PARENTS WHERE IN DANGER CUZ OF THIS CIVIL WAR.AND MY PARENTS WHERE NOT PART OF IT THEY WHERE INISINT.NOT GANGS
That's a good thing he's in Florida.. now go in handle them Dexter style..
This was in the movie Slavador with James Wood
Arena y fmln did this
After a crime like that how could you continue to believe in a god
God did not do these crimes. Man and his evil human will did these crimes. " God made man from the beginning, and left him in the hand of his own counsel." Sirach 15:14. If you deny free will and the capacity of man for evil and sin, then you can not continue to believe in a good god because god would have to be responsible for evil and sin. This is why Calvinism and Protestant determinism (denying free will) is so blasphemous, cruel, and absurd.
2:47 is that a FAL? It was adopted by NATO during coldwar. *Illuminati theme plays* Conspiracy?
im from el salvador.
Flame Thrower Made in USA
That was all the Salvador gov. With the dirt in their nails,cia or el Salvador military.