Long Electric Car Journeys Don't Always Go Well. Even For Me!
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- This video started off with the idea of showing you the Pro's & Con's between taking an ICE car or a short range electric one (like my Leaf). Thing's didn't quite go to plan on the way back!
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What a pleasure to see you and your family have a positive outlook on this whole experience. If it wasn't for people like you then the whole EV revolution wouldn't exist. I Really Enjoy your videos and your honest comments. Keep up the good work 😊👍
Your wife is very patient. You are a lucky EVM.
Either patient or walking.
you can certainly see the "do you see just how much I suffer with this guy?" look on her face a few times :)
Dude! You drive electric AND have a lovely family! Lucky, lucky man.... 👍🏻✌🏻👏🏻🚗
Big schlong!
A marriage counselor once said that strong family groups shared one thing in common. They went camping. The reason being that adversity and hardships unite you as a group.
What a great video and and honest experiment! Thanks for sharing your experience! Legoland is a definite plus.
I've just bought a 30kWh leaf, thanks in a small part to your videos. Thank you. Your family are lovely too
Your missus is a very patient lady. Mine would have been handing me divorce papers at the end.
Ya got that right - I have a patient missus as well but I can tell waiting to charge is seen as a nuisance.
The algorithm brought me back 3 years of channel growth later to enjoy EVW and EVK helping you build the brand long before you sold out to Tesla! We still have 24kWh Visia (Leaf), but haven't seen --- since lockdown, when it went through low power output and stopped on a hill. This early EVM product is ageing beautifully.😛
This is such a helpful video. Thanks again for another informative ‘real world’ video EVM.
Wow that brings back memories.. Legoland and camping trips. 😂
Another fantastic video with the family. The rest of the family should be in every video. Both your wife and daughter are great on camera.
For my circumstances, I would not even have entertained the possibility of thinking e.v, until meandering through your very helpful video library. Thanks for taking the time and effort to share your experiences in what comes across as a no-bull fashion.
I managed a 500 mile journey from Grimsby to the Keswick and back in my 30KW Leaf. Stayed in a hotel with no EV chargers for a week but relied on Public Charging in the Lakes. All performed amazing. No queues, all chargers worked. I was impressed. I try and travel via LIDL as their chargers are free :)
A fellow Grimbarian lol.
Can't say I've ever noticed EV charging points here but then with my ICE not inclined to look and obviously notice.
What's the infrastructure like in Grimsby and surrounding areas if I may ask?
@@stuartburns8657 Its not bad, geting better all the time. Rapids in Immingham and Humberston and Grimsby and free posts in Tesco. Even a rapid charger in Caistor now.
@@xtermin8 Ha, things you learn. I'm actually Immingham based so will keep an eye out, and I'll have a scout around Tesco next time.
Currently rocking a humble Nissan Qashqai (16 plate ICE diesel) with a few years of repayments left. With us both nearly 100% wfh jobs, the mileage we do is predominantly school and shopping runs. Vehicle was just under 12k, and with loan + fuel is costing between £275-300pm (nothing really) Road tax £20pa. Insurance £230pa. Service and Mot ~250pa.
So difficult at the moment to justify an EV, and with an SUV equivalent while our family of 4, just not a realistic cost wise.
Think ill have to sweat it until 2025-26 and see how things are then. Quite like the Kia E-Niro, but at about 3 times the amount I've ever historically spent on a main vehicle it just doesn't stack up.
How / why did you make the leap if I may ask, and sorry for the life story lol !!
@@stuartburns8657 yeah I guess it wouldn't work for you moneywise at the moment. I swapped my vauxhall ampera which did 40 miles on a charge, but did 300 miles on petrol for a 30kw Nissan leaf. I travel 44 miles a day so it worked out great for me. Electric vehicles are high priced at the moment and I think need to come down to make it worthwhile. It cost me £30 a month in electric to use the leaf which is a lot cheaper than petrol. I still got a diesel car though to do the longer journeys.
Thanks for the video, great real life example.
You guys are great!
Thank you for a great video! I was expecting a really bad journey, but it wasn’t that bad at all. As you all say on the video, it was more of an adventure (but of course, it must have felt hair raising to get from one bad charging point to the next). All the best to you and your absolutely lovely family!
Expensive pizza! :-)
This vid demonstrates you have to have a different mind-set when planning a longer trip, and be prepared to change the plans in mid-journey.
hamshackleton yes , your convince means nothing in your short 50years of animated life.
@@simonpark1797 - what is that supposed to mean? You got the time span wrong too! :-)
As a 24kw leaf owner the longest trip I did without stopping was 72 miles in the middle of winter with a car full. I turned up at my relatives house showing nothing just like you. Although it's possible to go long distances it's abit stressful at times. However the savings I make in running costs far outweigh the negetives. Plus it's a very easy and comfortable car to drive.
Excellent video 👍🏻
Think ecotricity really need to allow competion in the electric highway and not monopolise it, especially if not repairing units quickly. Another reason to do the tesla stretch and have best of both worlds. :)
What I've noticed on a couple of EV motorway trips recently is that the Ecotricity chargers are more frequently in use, and having to wait for another user to finish charging is more likely than a faulty charger. Ecotricity tell me more chargers are planned, but in some locations they have to get the site electricity supply beefed up first.
The thing that Tesla got right is putting 8 chargers on one site. Then you can arrive to find 5 in use and two broken but still get a charge!
@@anahatamelodeon Then the Tesla Superchargers are rarely out of order.
One of the things that does need to be addressed is destination charging. If Legoland had had chargers (even 3kw versions) that would have helped a lot. I know that Warner Brothers Studios have just had 20 chargers installed which is a start. Even seaside places don't seem to have them and these are the places that do need them. By the way good video.
There are six destination chargers, 7Kw pod point, at Swanage. Four in the main carpark , two in the short stay park. Worth a visit.
Hi Barry, Yes your right about Swanage was there a little while back and it does have pod points which I used. Being lazy I used the one near the fun Park (short Stay)However if you look at other places they are very sparse. A case in point is Minehead. Big seaside town with a massive Butlins serviced by two chargers attached to the Premier Inn, which by the way weren't working on the day I went there. What we have now is not so much range anxiety as charger anxiety and when the car manufactures get their act together and start to produce numbers it can only get worse.worse..
@@jameschapman4824 When I discovered the points in Swanage last year I wrote to the Local council applauding their efforts. I have tried writing to my own local council about Hayling Island Seafront but to no avail. Havant has though installed three rapid chargers recently.
I'm about to do almost exactly the same journey as you in my 22kwh zoe lol. 220 miles each way... Stopping at Legoland too haha. I must be mad 😂
Nice, I just did a trip like that (Legoland California) with my Leaf just a couple months before getting my Model 3. Going to go again with the Tesla.
Your best video yet! :-)
Good point about not jumping to conclusions when you are iced. A lady parked her Honda Jazz in an ev space at a garden centre that has twelve EV spaces. She immediately said to me she knew that she shouldn't be there but was disabled as the disabled spaces were full. Amusing video and your family look fun, great job.
Great video. Your real world honesty is refreshing. As an ev owner myself I know there are compromises to long journeys and generally avoid them. Due to our lifestyle we have a second car which is petrol and that solves the problem. I look forward to a time when we only have one, affordable electric car that can do well over 200 miles and a bigger better public charging network. We’re basically nearly there with the new cars coming out, I’m hoping the network will be ‘good enough’ to rely on in the next couple of years.
Great video! I'm waiting for my Nissan e-nv200 tekna edition. I have to wait for another 5 months. And I'm going to test the car on a longer journey.
Nice honest video and things only getting better. Cant wait to try and buy a Kia Nero or Hyundai 2nd hand in about 5 years time and see how things are by then. Till then I will keep watching. One new subscriber.
Great video our conversation makes more sense now from Saturday at FCL :)
Good honest video. I think Alice has a future in Nissan's PR Department!
Hi EVM.
Magic family adventures.
It’s great to see that parents worry but children take it all in their stride.
As for the “Detailing” garage - Gone, A Myth. Just the average storage location for welly boots, cat boxes and (no doubt, but unseen, half empty tins of paint).
Keep up the good work and continue reporting on your EV experiences - we love them!
Different garage!
What an adventure!
Completely agree, we as a family used to love the adventure in our 24kwh Leaf only thing we use to do slightly different is only aim to stop at locations with multiple chargers knowing the odds of one or two not working spec with Ecotricity lol was quite high. Doesnt matter as much in the Kona as normally stop with 30-40 miles left. Although if we’re stopping were there is only one rapid we will only do that with Instavolt.
3 chargers out of order and you STILL didn't run out of electricity. That's how difficult running out is
Great video, lots of fun, and some god points on the EV driving ;)
Me and 3 other friends took a journey to the Netherlands in a 40kwh Zoe. Managed to do 200 miles on a charge following lorries at about 57mph - used them as wind breakers at a relative safe distance. Bad experiences in Belgium as many fast chargers were either behind barriers or not working (they were around construction sites so we assumed they were not on). The Nederlands have great charging infrastructure - 10 chargers in a village of 3000 people.
Supersweet! :)
Why is the non Tesla charging network so unreliable? It’s absolutely hopeless.
The other manufacturers are being told to go electric grudgingly, Tesla was setup for 100% electric from day one their sells depend on a reliable charging infrastructure. An infrastructure that could be more profitable than the cars very clever.
I do not own a EV and at my age probably never will but I like watching your videos, Very informative ( I mean how would I have found out hoe expensive the cornettoes are down there) :-) and very entertaining.
The Pickup and Trailer were at the NEC Holiday Inn a few days after you posted the photo on Twitter when I visited, however it was parked to the side of the charger blocking the way into the car park but out of the way, The charger was working fine, like many Polar chargers that one can play up, the touchscreens freeze on hot days and they need restarting. Usually sorted with a phone call.
Haha, we were at Legoland last week - the stress of just driving there (detour down M11 due to Duxford airshow) added 30 min to the journey as it was - think I'd have a nervous breakdown to add charging into the mix! Although on that occasion I'd spank the cash on fuel rather than at Legoland :D Your family took it all in their stride :)
I think the dependence and prioritising finding places to charge up at, then be sat waiting for it to charge when you should be enjoying holiday time is a huge downer. Adds too much stress when the holiday should be reducing the stress.
Excellent video Thanks but try and keep still when the video starts 👍👍
Dale Vince agrees.....plan for many stops😀
I was on the northbound M1 last Saturday. Got to Tibshelf and yes wouldn’t start charge ( on free vend) just wouldn’t initialise. I didn’t have enough to get to next one so used service road to go over motorway to southbound Tibshelf services charged up 20 mins then back over service road to continue journey. To be fair PlugShare does show the north as not working. The only slight hiccup Gloucester to Chesterfield sat/sun
3:45 perfect opportunity to "test" the rumble strip 🤣
A good example for new owners. Had to laugh having watched your video about giving your garage a makeover for your car, it looked great, and now its full of junk like everyone elses!!
That’s a different garage.
Good video shows the problems with the network still. You would have a bit less stress with a longer range battery. Buy the way there are some campsites with chargers on them.
I think it's fair to say we would not be doing a long drive in a 30kw leaf. Our youngest still likes a 2 hour nap. So it is good to do a 2h30mins drive. If you stop to charge you will wake him up tired, cross and not able to go back to sleep.
I just did a 1000 km weekend roundtrip in my Zoe 22kWh in Sweden. 500km in12h is the double time of my gas car. The savings and the fun makes it worth it.
I couldn't do it in a 30kwh. I have the SL plus 62kwh. Good vid.
Were the Ecotricity chargers not working , or were they in the default mode where they go to free vend? Last time I went Tibshelf that was the case. As were a couple of others. The biggest problem I had on the M1 was that the builders had fenced off the chargers. Toddington South bound.
That is where the charge companies could eventually get a class action court challenge for not having reliable charging infrastructure and possibly government regulation to force them having reliable charging infrastructure.
I was totally expecting your daughter to shove the ice cream cone in the car charging socket :-)
She's a much brighter young lady than that!
It’s sad to see that this can still happen. It happened to me with my Zoe in 2017 but I assumed that even with a short range car these days it would be incredibly unlikely to happen. But it happened.
Obviously even in a short range car it’s still rare, and in a long range car it’s impossible really, unless you leave it until you have 10% left to start looking for a charger.
I’m considering my first ev, what are the best apps/tools to help planning journeys with charge stops that work well please?good vid EVM!
Interesting to see that with a Leaf - very unusual to have two points down in a row like that. I'm on CCS, which makes the EH largely a write-off before you start, but there's usually multiple chargers for Leaf users on each service station.
I say write-off re. CCS on the Electric Highway because (1) a good number of sites don't have CCS, (2) when they have CCS do it's only one unit so chance of being in-use and blocked is high, and (3) far too often showing unavailable in the app (EH tried to tell me that's ok because it often means "free vend" - but that's no good for planning).
I use Polar by preference these days.
300 mile round trip to Fully Charged Live last week certainly made me re-evaluate my plans to make my other car electric also . Only got to it thanks to my range extender on my i3. Basically drove past 3 non functioning Electric Highway 'pumps' in a row (Stafford, Norton Canes, Corley). It's a crying shame that these chargers are so flaky and unreliable. My charger at home has 100% reliability record and Tesla have shown it possible for public chargers to be near enough the same. Need to campaign hard to make the companies that run this dire network more accountable. I'm writing off bunch of letters to MP, climate commission, and shareholders of these companies this weekend.
Wow.. 300 miles... can do 650 with my little old diesel car
A big advantage of Tesla’s, as there are usually several charging points at Tesla Superchargers, so it is very rare to have to wait to charge
Mrs EV man looks like the wonderful kind of woman that would want you to have what you want. Get the model 3. I really can’t wait to watch you drooling when you pick it up.
Personally I value piece of mind more than saving some money from the cost of using an ev. Many petrol cars can just about make the entire journey on one tank and you can fill it at the many (usually always working) petrol stations that are around nearly every corner.
Another thing is the charging stations seem to be tucked in strange places where they can probably be easily vandalised.
Also if you were alone at night, would you really want to be sitting there charging your car in a secluded place in the dark?
Yes fuels are expensive, but piece of mind and the ability to not have to always plan ahead and strategise a trip, personally, is still more preferable.
On another note, the charging stops wouldn't really be a positive in most peoples eyes. I'd much rather stop somewhere that we chose that's more interesting to take a break, eat lunch and/or explore than sit in a carpark somewhere waiting for the charging to complete.
To me an ev is an alternative energy source vehicle that is supposed to be modern and of today. But even with the technology it has, it still feels a little backward than a traditional vehicle.
When an ev becomes just as good if not better than a traditional vehicle, with the piece of mind and not having to think every time you want to go somewhere, and can charge at every charging station in around five minutes I would personally be happy to own one.
But we're not there quite yet.
+ a hybrid seems to be a bit more predictable on the easy use sense. Just fill up, get big distance with smaller amount of fuel.
I have a 360 mile motorway journey to do in a couple of weeks. I feel like I should take our Leaf 30, but the thought of arriving at a broken charger at 11pm with my daughter in the back... adventure you say? Lol not sure my family are quite up for that!
If you insure with LV= then they offer transport to nearest charger.
Glad i live in The Netherlands, small country with LOADS of fastchargers
Small, flat, crowded country but you can charge your EV - great...
Cheers
Things definitely seem easier in the South - infrastructure in the North isn't anywhere close. A charger has recently opened ~10 miles from me, but prior to that the closest was 50+ miles away at a motorway services
This is why I love my i3 Rex. The 85-90% my mileage done on Electric. Odd time I have to dip into petrol. If I had e niro etc. Not be a issue.
As a current ICE driver who occasionally makes long journeys (or has days with journey segments but no charging opportunities at stops), I actually wonder if the Rex approach is better?
An e niro still wouldn't quite have the range for me to be safe for those few days but would still be lugging round all that extra battery weight all the time, and most days it would just be deadweight I wouldn't be using. Whereas a Rex with say 100 mile range would cover most days from electric but could do 250+ miles on those long days. Admittedly there's weight in the ICE gubbins for a Rex but my suspicion is that 100+miles of battery range is heavier?
@@davidy7004Extra battery is never dead weight. More capacity allows for more power, faster charging, and easier work for the battery.
Think the battery is warm enough?
The woes of having only 15% and meeting broken chargers could still happen in an EV with a 500 mile range. Also petrol cars run out of fuel also.
True.. but a 5 litre fuel can can put 60 miles in my car in 40 second. Any rac..aa ..breakdown company can provide 5 liters of fuel..
As for the broken chargers .. I have over 90000 petrol pumps at my disposal.. so if 2 dont work I'll just move a few feet
@@richardoakley8800 I've had it before going to get fuel to find no pumps were working!!!
@@jeffreyfearn5662 so 8 out the 96000 pumps in the uk wasnt working.. still 95992 to go.
@@richardoakley8800 if you have no fuel in the car then what? What you're forgetting is that car charging today is like filling up a car was a century ago, not many places to go to and journeys had to be planned. But then more places to plug into as many places have electricity so could charge up in many places!!!
You were lucky to find our ONE rapid charger in Windsor. For a major tourist town it's a disgrace. Legoland has one 3 pin plug outlet! They should have a row of 7KW destination chargers to encourage visits from EV owners. I live just down the road - you could've popped in for a cuppa and a free charge.
How many petrol pumps are at Lego land Windsor.. non.. so why do you expect them to put charging points in
This is the reason why we have gone for the 40 kWh leaf. Bigger battery long range.
I do a 400 mile round trip most weeks down to work and back to Scotland in my 22kwh Zoe 6 hours each way with driving Eco lots of stops saves me a fortune in fuel but lots of hours wasted charging
Doesn't have to be wasted - you could do a workout at each stop and get super-fit. Or take a laptop and do some work!
AdSheff tbh that's how I kill time doing laps of the car park get those steps in lol
I know what range anxiety is like, even in an ICE vehicle. On more that one occasion, I’ve been driving over moorland, with zero miles showing on range gauge. And it is stressful! On the plus side, I wasn’t more than 10mi from the nearest fuel station. So a 20mi walk, could walk that in a few hours. Though I wouldn’t like to do it with passengers waiting.
If you insure with LV= then they offer transport to nearest charger.
I'm planning to drive my 30kwh Leaf from Suffolk to the south of Poland in the summer. Does anyone have experience of the charging networks in Europe? Any tips or tricks?
Oh the three dashes of doom...we’ve hit this several times and still made it home or to a charge point....didn’t stop the buttock-clenching though 😜
Wouldn’t use my ev for long journeys for the simple reason is charging network and as for new evs as you have found out are so expensive new corsa ev I was quoted a eye watering £30000 I could get a corsa griffin for half that back to ice for me it was good while it lasted
Another great vid I still would not buy an EV at this point maybe a hybrid that would allow me to do all of my commuting and locally driving on ev power and the combination of the 2 for longer trips at the weekend. Bear in mind that I live in Somerset
You surprised me saying tibshelf im just down the road from there
If you think that part of the M1 is bad in a LEAF, you should try it in something which has CCS. I'm assuming, from Henley, you went back home on M40, A43, M1. That's my normal route to visit my parents. It's abysmal, and hardly improved since I got my i3 over 3 years ago (thank goodness for the REx). It's great that EH did what they did initially, but they need to either invest, or let someone else in who will. At least install CCS at Northampton Services, and replace the one/s at Leicester East Services, with something reliable.
Next generation 150 mile + cars not a problem
A few times you say the problem is with a "short range EVs"
but is it the problem with the short range of the car, or the unreliable charging network, or the combination?
I've just got back from a camping weekend at Le Mans
it was 390 miles to get there on Thursday
and 390 miles to get back today
and I used a total of 314kWh
My Tesla can do about 200 miles on a full charge, so because of the spacing of the chargers, I did 1 stop to charge in the UK, took the Ferry, then 3 charges going across France
and a similar pattern on the way back. Part of my choice of where to stop was based on a new French motorway service that now has a StarBucks
Would you be more comfortable doing that sort of journey in a Leaf 60 or an eNiro?
where you are still depending on single Polar at hotels or a couple of Ecotricity on the motorway, but only one has a CCS?
and what about France?
How much better would the journey have been in a Jaguar iPace or Audi eTron or Mercedes EQC?
Ecotricity really need to up their game. more chargers at sites, upgrading the chargers that are there.
we have just gone from a 24 to a 40 leaf. We have done bournemouth to hull in the 24, i was certainly well relaxed after the 7 stops it took to get there.
I picked up the 40 the friday before FCL, stopped at cherwell on the way there for breakfast and harvester at didcot on the way home for dinner. the extra range makes these things so much easier it really is almost down to when you want to stop rather than the car making you stop the main decision comes down to cost (ecotricity vrs polar) and the facilities that are at the charger.
my gripe now (other than the number of chargers at services) is destination chargers.
Soon we are doing Bournemouth to redditch, severn valley railway and back again. If either the hotel or the railway had destination chargers we again could do one stop on the way there for lunch and one stop on the way back for dinner. but there arent so im having to do a 3rd rapid charge at redditch.
one other thing, chargers on petrol station forecourts.... WHY?! there are zero facilities at most of them, most don't even have a toilet never mind a nice cafe to sit down and have a coffee in whilst you charge.
They need to have their monopoly removed AND punitive fines. :-) It's the only thing that some commercial companies react to.
So he never vented his anger at the guy blocking the power point
My 1974 Buick Electra 225 is powered by a 7.5 litre V8 petrol engine which easily achieves ten miles per gallon. I cannot afford to visit Legoland ........Oh bugger !!
And this is why I'm going to buy a hybrid. 90% of my driving is city driving. The 50km EV range on the hybrids are enough and then when I drive a long distance I'll use the ICE. I enjoy your realistic views of EVs. It's refreshing to not listen to all of those Tesla fanatics go on and on.
I've made this point before - that by the time you factor in all those stops and calculate them even at minimum wage/hr, then add the cost of food/coffee at every stop - you could drive a 'gas guzzler' and still be ahead financially. Then there's the fact that all that wasted time makes many journeys simply unmanageable. I can get home from work then jump in the car and drive to the airport (2 hours away), pick up a family member and drive back, arrive in time for bed and still have enough fuel in the tank for the rest of the week (which only costs me £40 to fill - by the way). Try that in an EV and you won't get home until the early hours of the morning - making the journey effectively unfeasible.
You're not comparing like with like.... EVs are at the same stage as ICEs were in the 1910's, we're not far off getting the charging networks that the planet is desperate for. I don't have kids, but i still wouldn't go back to an ICE car.
A knicker blocker glory near enough in Venice cost €16.20
Thanks, think I'll leave electric cars for now, but stick to fossel fuels. I know several people whove come stuck, no chargers available, not working, people parked in front of charge points.
Yeah, I can understand that point of view, it seems right now, Tesla’s are the only reliable EVs for range and ability to charge, because of the well maintained and Tesla exclusive Superchargers, but obviously there’s a cost to that being the high cost of Tesla’s, but I think the coming years 2020/21 may be quite revolutionary for EVs in terms of competition and affordability.
They need to put at least 5 chargers in and back up three pin free charge chargers. They spent 775 thousands on chargers in dorset and 1 or the 14 did not work for months.
I always have a plan b and sometimes a plan c as far as chargers on a long distance trip, and that is driving a 238 mile range Chevy Bolt...
All these troubles with the Electric Highway network in the UK make me appreciate the Bolt and EVgo/Electrify America all the more!
Still waiting for a number of Electrify America sites to open on a couple of our usual long distance routes. After they updated their pricing structure, they sound like a better option than EVgo that has been a staple for me over the last 5 months of ownership.
This is the reason why I didn't get rid of my internal combustion car, just to make sure long journeys are ok but pleased with my EV car... not charged up away from home yet.
Can I ask what happens if you run out of charge completely ? Even if it’s not your fault ( chargers not working and so on) do you have to rely on your own breakdown cover. And are you covered .
mark esbach if you have a Renault Zoe and lease the battery, the included breakdown cover includes running out of juice.
Covered for first 3 years. Same as running out of petrol basically.
If you insure with LV I believe they will take you to the nearest charge point.
Shame that the new (2018) Leaf does not have a spectacle holder in the roof like the previous model! The USA has one fitted so UK Nissan have saved £2 per car & turned their loyal customers into customers that will be looking at alternatives when the time comes (1-2 years) to change vehicles again? I am flabbergasted by the stupid decisions that are taken by managements sometimes!
Yes but I’ve bought a used leaf so I guess not coverd
Wife Win. Looks and personality.
Keswick via the pencil museum would have been a better option.
Love the pencil museum!
conclusion,we need cars with bigger batteries and a lot more chargers
I don't get why they are putting Rapid Chargers in hotels. Surely if you're at a hotel you are there for a long time, so a bank of slow chargers on multiple spaces would be much better suited. If you were staying the night, you'd have to plug in, then go back out and move the car to make sure you weren't blocking the spot all night.
1. Having dc charge port great advantage, I do not have that. 2. Same problems here in USA, this is why tesla is really worth it. 3. Why don't charging companies have 220 volt outlets on the side of their chargers for emergency use ?
Keith Jenkins: They do in France.
I’ll Stick with my ampera for now...
What happened to the garage? Thought you were doing it up for detailing, looks like it's full of stuff now.
2 garages.
I had a similar experience a few months back, but it was my own fault for not doing a top up charge when I could. But journeys from hell are not confined to EV's. ICE, coach, rail, and even air travel can be disasters that you laugh about afterwards and retell the story for years.