there is something I personaly call the healer paradox. It goes as follow : When everything go right your get bored to death. But when sh** hit the fan the fun begin....
@@toxiclunch And some of us already do that by joining roulettes solo. But don't you think it's a little unfair to have the enjoyment of our role be dictated by the level of incompetency of a group? I think it is unfair. Healer design needs changing.
As a healer main, I feel exactly the same lol. I really hope they change the healers in some way, or even, now hear me out here… change it so we just have 1 healer per 8 man party. I feel like that would be a lot better at least.
Most of my buttons don't get used unless I am in Savage. I would like to have at least SOME skill expression in casual content :/ But you are totally right. The devs can screw us in any position they like, and we still continue playing healer. I quit Scholar after 8 years, only to pick Sage and do the same things in a slightly more fun way.
I hear a lot of people complain about healing in XIV, but I really love it. I like how simple it is in normal content. Any time there's new content I always play WHM for it specifically because it's so simple that I can pay full attention to the new bosses and new mechanics instead of having my attention split with the same rotation I've been doing for the entire expansion. Plus healing content that no one knows yet is hilariously chaotic. lol Healing mentor roulette was super fun because I would get unusual duties that most people didn't have memorized already. I also love healing for sprouts. But at the same time, if I get people who know the content then healing is super zen and I like that too. :3 I started the game as WHM and still main it after 4 years, despite leveling everything else to max too.
They do have their moments. I healed WoW most of my time and it just became a constant “smash your face at the keyboard” until the either the enemy were dead or your party was dead FF14’s healing is great with a shitty party, but dull with a good party. WoW healing felt stressful in a good party and pure agony is a shifty good. In both MMOs, this role is the most dependent on the party for your experiences.
It's not fair to keep the entire role simple for you to keep not doing much. Even if healing was increased in complexity, you could just stick to weak content and YOLO whatever buttons you feel like pressing that day.
Take a break from healing, watch a random healer, and quietly die inside and return. The times I've seen crap healers while levelling other jobs is too many it breaks my heart...
I started the game as a paladin, but as I leveled the other jobs I was pleasantly surprised by how much I enjoyed playing as an astrologian. So much to do and I also tend to over heal but it's so much fun. Getting commendations from the entire party is nice too
Over healing is a waste, you can often let aapected helios and aapected benefic to heal people back to full if they're not under threat or dangerously low.
I really dislike that outside of high-difficulty content there is almost nothing for healers to... well, HEAL. I can understand dungeons, because it is msq content, all kinds of players goes there, if the healer dies it is almost always a wipe, yadda-yadda. But not anymore, starting from ShB and into EW, tanks was progressively getting better at healing/shielding themselves and party members. Hell, Warrior nowadays is unkillable in dungeons. And the role of healer as a source of life was dwindling with each expansion I listed. I wonder where this is going to end. (people farming glams in EW dungeons by runnig 3dps+warrior - go figure) But I will never understand why so little challenge is in so-called "optional" content like raids and Alliance raids. All of them get insanely trivialized by overgearing (because no itemlevel sync lol) to the point of outright skipping ENTIRE PHASES OF FIGHT. And there's so little unavoidable damage (f.e. raid-wide attacks) for healers to work with. As long as noone takes vuln stacks, you are basically a terrible caster dps. No targets to Esuna, Tanks eating tankbusters for breakfast and asking for more, mechanics coming in ve-e-e-e-ry slowly so quickly recovering party is NOT a necessity. Why do we need healer in normal content anyway? Ah, yes, to heal/raise first timers and sleepers. We are just a safety net. When the most exciting runs as a healer in normal content are bad runs where people screwed over and you had to actually resort to actively using your abilities - this is not a good design. And now there's high-end content which is complete opposite. NOW you are REQUIRED to utilize 100% of your toolkit to keep the party alive AND keep damaging the boss so you can make it before enrage. New healers in extreme/savage gets their arse blasted by the tremendous difficulty spike compared to 90% of other game content. No more "green dps" but an actual healer, who must carefully apply their abilities in proper time. And people wonder why there's shortage of healers in PF nowadays? 1) Gameplay is still boring, even in ultimate. That leads to... 2) ...playing good as a healer offering much less gratification and sense of accomplishment than doing the same as DPS or a Tank. 3) Game may teach you the basics, but never lets you to actually apply your abilities to its fullest in normal content.
Well with how low tank busters hit in normal content in this expansion, the only thing i use with WHM when my team is good, is regen.... yes regen. I do a AOE and simple regen and all is good, the only time i need to even use my skills is when i go in an Old raid like Orbone Monastery, or the Nier Raids, or a good Diablo fight :)) For example in the new Raids the tank buster is a joke:)) it hits almost nothing, meanwhile in a Nier raid if the tank is not on full Hp or doesn't have mitigation on, will die instantly .... they make the content way to casual nowadays, i have no idea why, but the game slowly becomes way to casual , at this point i'm waiting for a button that you press and the game plays itself. In the new raid the only one who is even a challange is Halone, but even she hits nothing when you need to stack up... the only reason she even kills people are because the mechanic spam, otherwise is as easy as the rest in this tier. But this is only me probably, i see illusions like they say in my clan when we start to talk about this :))
@@UmbraWeiss I've been saying this since ShB. Also can we PLEASE give level syncing a revamp? It feels awful to be synced down to a point where you're missing core abilities for your rotation/gameplay. I literally avoid leveling roulette like the plague in order to minimize my chances of getting synced below 60.
@@CivilChev It feels awful because they pushed skills that where usuable on those levels to higher level, so now most jobs don't have basic skills in lower level content, because all of those are pushed to level 80+... Playing this game from 1.0 makes you really mad at this game sometimes, lately is like they are burned out and have no new ideas anymore, wee get these joke mounts who no one ever uses, the same style of gear , all the gear after Shb is like copy paste, and even after 10years they don't want to swap some job gears so people can have variety, healers have the same style of robes all the time, bard is always the same, i would love a different style for once or a job swap, they even stopped to swap the crafted gear for the last one... They always swapped those... I don't know what they do lately, but there is a real need for fresh ideas, because right now they are traped in their own little world with the templates ready... I have no idea why they need to force what they think is the Ff style when the entire Ff franchise is good because every entry is different, fantasy , sc fi, and everything you can imagine, but wee get this what i have in my head kind of Ff style for 10years without any change.
@@UmbraWeiss I cannot agree with you more. I've only been playing since the tail end of HW and I think SB was their best expansion in terms of class balance and game design. Just like WoW, FFXIV peaked with its second expansion.
Videos like this make me wonder if my time as a healer in FFXIV is an anomaly, in nearly every queue I've had, 90% or more, I've only really had bad tanks or "Chad" tanks, they either don't know to use their damage mitigation properly, or do insane pulls that have me using nearly every button in my kit to keep them alive, I've only had a couple of runs where I was bored, but I was almost grateful for that. Mostly because with either of those two tank options, you get blamed when we all go down, not the tank
Learn to use all your options to keep the tank up. YES all of them. I expect to make use and cycle through the big and small cooldowns for the tank and parties safety. It's what I love about healing wall 2 wall. I can't even make use this use of the options if we're not being threatened enough, like why even have Benediction, Haima, Etc if they're not being used because nothing calls for their use.
I know this is a Final Fantasy video but that Maple Story Kerning City BGM you played in the middle of the video, brought back so much memories. Great Vid
As a long time healer main in pretty much every game I recently switched to dragoon and im loving it. Healer just doesnt feel like a healer in this game. Which is sad because they have such pretty skills.
I definitely miss my DoTs!! I took a 5 year break and only came back this January and oh boy, everything is different! One thing I liked about the job and why I wanted to play it, aside for potentially getting cool, full summons one day since we only had shitty egis back then, was because I’m into debuffing and enfeebling my enemies! I liked that aspect and it’s part of the reason I played the job in the first place! Lol this new version is ok, but I want my DoTs back lol. Oh and yeah, I’m big into poisoning my enemies in various ways too lol. If you don’t want SMN to do anything like that fine, whatever, just take the old SMN toolkit skeleton and plaster it, in a more refined way than I’m implying here of course, onto a brand new job that is a Sabateur or something. lol in fact XIII’s Sabateur role is what made me realize I enjoyed debuffing my foes into pitiful, crippled shit bags in the first place lmao
@@elgatochurro I considered it, when I was in my last XIV spree. I’ve soured on the game and the franchise recently though. You can probably guess why. That isn’t to say I won’t pick 14 back up again in a few years or something though. While I was last there I had a lot of fun.
@@mhiggs8001 OMFG... You guys are so obsessed with what you've lost you don't even look at what you've gained... Each and every one of you talks to see the boons that came with shb and the removal of the archaic gameplay from before... "My healers lack damage" we use wisdom now, for not just healing but DPS. No longer do we have to deal with cleric stances or switching between fairies or such to deal damage. It's perfectly fine. I'd like to see what what changed, what else we got. Instead you all wish to cry ENDLESSLY over the past and act like nothing was gained.
I think the removal of the playstyle sucks, but smn is now more inline with how summoner worked in older ff games. Also Titan is actually used. That being said if the job doesn't get Leviathan, Shiva, and Ramuh in Dawntrail I'll probably drop it.
@@miricobladetail9670 I’ve quit playing again, last time I did that it lasted 5 years. I’m not sure I’m coming back this time. I didn’t say anything about Titan not being used? Rereading the comment I left sounds like it was left by me in a manic episode.
I wish the healers just at least had some kind of identity to them. Give scholar their DoTs, bane and tri disaster, Give astro back their different cards, sleeve draw and hybrid healing, give sage more resources like Phlegma and Toxicon to manage and more interactivity with eukrasia into the rest of the kit. I’d honestly be fine if they leave whm as it is as the easy beginner healer (lets be real the only people who want healing to stay as it is only play this one anyway.) maybe leaning it even more into being incentivised to use GCD healing than it already is by having more resources like thin air and indulgence that work in tandem with gcds, or perhaps something that turns your regens into equivalent damage to the enemy you have the highest enmity on (so you don’t lose potency using regen and medica 2, but make it a 1 min cd that allows these abilities to be used for the missing glare of equivalent damage.)
Bruh... How do they not have "Identity"? Have you even played them? Done their class quests? I remember it all, I know the way the magic works and it's principles, I remember it. I know each of their strengths and weaknesses and how each one plays differently from each other. How do they lack an identity? And why on Earth are you old scholar mains still crying over not having 6 dots? I don't understand... I have enough resources to manage as sage, where I have healing resources, AND a personal shield I want to break just to get more damage resources, addersgall. Bruh, I play every healer and love them... And yes I don't see much id want changed. White is insanely powerful and overwhelming onto enemies.
@@elgatochurro Gameplaywise, healers barely have an identity anymore, the closest one gets is WHM as the GCD healer. Sage and Scholar have like 70% skill overlap and AST lost its status as a hybrid healer. I main healer, specifically sage actually, I have my BiS and have cleared the entirety of the current tier on all 4 healers. I am very knowledgeable about how they all play. I don’t say they have no identity because I don’t want to like the direction of the hame, they, like the tanks now, have no identity and I wish they did because I know the devs can do better at job design, I have seen it. Having cool lore is one thing, but the gameplay does not reflect the lore as it should, the way healers and tanks are designed these days feels like pure laziness for the sake of making them easier to balance, similarly to how they lobotomised SMN in 6.0, took away everything unique about it and replaced it with literally nothing, leaving it with fester/energy drain and ruin 4, which no longer even have a place in the kit and feel disjointed, existing solely to be pressed on cooldown with no interaction with any of the rest of the jobs kit. The same thought process applies to the healers. Good for you if you find sage hard to manage but most people don’t, popping your shields just happens naturally if you actually use them when you need them, the most fun to optimise part of the job for me is kardia management, which can be satisfying to pass around and heal people up without needing to waste your addersgall. That’s all it is though, a fun little optimisation, it’s not exactly the galaxy brain job you’re making it out to be, it’s arguably the easiest healer.
@@elgatochurro Btw you mentioned you have to break shields for damage resources? Idk if you’re aware but toxicon 2 does the same damage as dosis 3, making it a damage loss to put up a shield solely to get a charge of it
@@obamaorb7426 "Gameplaywise, healers barely have an identity anymore" yeah you definitely dont play healer at all... WHM isnt about GCD, if anything its about regens Sage and Scholar do NOT have many similarities and I brought both to 90, they're the most far apart "same style" I've played in the game. Sage is about constantly reapplying your mitigation shields and healing the missing HP, you have to use many combos to heal big quickly if not expending a resource and lacks big healing. Sch is about bigger heals and plays entirely differently outside pulls, you use a few select big resource, big cooldowns at the end of pulls or for big damage and dont want to use too many as itd be wasteful. You say you main healer, but theyre the same... how??? all 4??? EVEN THE TANKS??? straight up, cant believe this. and yes, seems youre just salty about losing a nonsensical amount of dots as sch like everyone else... as if the fairy, unique healing style FAR before Sage joined, yknow the only other barrier focused healer? "solely to be pressed on cooldown with no interaction with any of the rest of the jobs kit" again, sounds like youre jsut doing group to group pulls, and not pushing what the class can do. if youre not gonna push the class to its limits and play easy mode, ofc youre going to be just hitting big cure all day, its boring to do that, i always encourage wall to wall pulls. I didnt say I found Sage hard to manage, I was saying i improved at it. Unlike some people who try to get by pressing cure 2 all day... Again, popping shields doesnt jsut naturally happen, on the tank sure, but I can have it on myself, pop it myself, wait for the next one to pop with eukrasia ready, Ive learned a lot from playing and pushing limits. Its been much more fun than whatever you're doing back in HW dungeons. *"im not sure if you're aware of this, but like... that aoe ability is a waste compared to the single target dosis" ... yeah... if youre WASTING it... this is EXACTLY what I was talking about...*
@@elgatochurro How is whm about regens? It literally has 3 regens, 2 of which it shares with ast: regen and medica 2. It’s identity is more GCDs because its abilities complement that, its entire resource is based around them, misery charges from using them, cure 3 is unique to whm and plenary indulgence buffs them all. As for similarities between sage and scholar: Fairy = Kardia Seraph passive shield = Haima Sacred soil = Kerachole Druochole/Ixochole = Lustrate/Indomitability Whispering Dawn = Physis Ruin 2 = Lower skill cap Toxicon Emergency Tactics = Pepsis Fey Illumination = Holos All of these examples are functionally the same and for use in the exact same situations. And yes, the tanks are headed the same direction, they now all consist of just a 123 combo and a gauge/series of procs to spend every minute, not to mention most of the mitigation is all homogenised too outside of the 25 second cooldowns/tbn which is 15. Only slightly unique one now is gunbreaker after the paladin changes which was only suffering because of the insistence on the 2 min buff window every job now has to follow, paladin could not work with this due to its nature as a sustain damage job. Your argument is that I’m just ranting nonsensically because I want scholar to have it’s 7 DoTs back, I don’t even want that, I don’t want cleric stance back either, I just want the jobs to actually have a unique feel to how they play rather than them all just being a 1 button dps rotation with a 30 sec DoT, giving DoTs to sch is just an easy idea to come up with but not 7 of them, I’d say 2 or 3, with tri disaster and bane as extra skills to complement this. What I said is solely to be pressed on CD wad SMNs energy drain and fester, which it is, it used to be a low damage skill that gained power for each DoT you had on the enemy so it felt like a natural addition to the kit, now it feels like pointless filler addition to just be pressed every minute, same as ruin 4 which previously existed as a proc from egi assault, the opener would give you 4 stacks to use for movement, nowadays it’s just used for damage because it exists once a minute. It’s not exactly difficult to play any healer in a dungeon lets be real, just apply a shield before a pull, press kerachole and haima/panhaima (alternate per wall to wall pull) and if your team isnt bad then the mobs will be dead before anyone is even close to death, if not, just top up the tank with druochole and taurochole. Dungeon content in general is free, just do that and spam your aoe ability/phlegma when it comes up. Using a shield and then a toxicon is still a loss over just using your dyskrasia twice as well, its only worth ysing toxicon when you apply shields before the pull, just use an aoe one and put one on the tank, the tanks will break naturally and to break your own just pull slightly before or stand in 1 aoe to force it to break, for a boss, same principle but the bosses aoe skill that most of them start with will break yours on its own. There is nothing more annoying than a healer that doesn’t do any damage in a pull though, purely because of how easy dungeon healing is. Healing only even becomes difficult in savage because of how your DPS is needed to meet dps enrage checks, even then your oGCD abilities can usually carry you through the encounter without the need to apply GCD shields at all, unless its like P12S part 2 where everything hits like a nuke, or P10S harrowing hell without a tank LB.
As a paladin main, i would also give a middlefinger to the remaining 80%. I tolerate your green dps asses because you can cure debuffs and i get clemency at level 58.
Yes, but as a healer, when you have a button that'll magically bump you to full health there really isn't any pressure to keep you topped off all the time lol. As long as your health doesn't go below 1, you're doing fine (especially in final fantasy, when you have like 28 buttons to just heal and there's never enough damage going out to justify using most of them)((I mean really, I tank a bit too, and you shouldn't stress too hard if the healer is letting your health drop a bit. At the end of the day healing is the easiest role in the game for normal content, and if pushing our one single damage button will help speed things up, then by the gods will I be pushing that button))
@@schlay8120 sure and if i keep agro and stand still i am doing my job but it be better to dps orifi do single target hit agains mobs so long get agro it good there is many reasons i can use to turn this against you .
I like healing. I like being a healer (most of the time). Normal game mode? No issues. Savage and Ultimates? AAAAaaaaarrrrrggggg 😱 I nearly gave up on healer entirely! The solution for me? Level another job, level an Alt, or stop playing FFXIV for a while. I’ve tried all of those options. 😅 But I always go back to my healer. No matter which one it is. 🤣 Thanks for the funny video. 👍
Best thing about healing in this game is the insta-que for roulettes, I will admit that I'm the type of healer that likes to keep people close to full health as much as possible. That's just how I like to heal in all rpgs with healers. Gives people more freedom to mess up without having to worry about them getting downed. Plus as a healer healing will always be my first priority over damage.
Then on the other end of the spectrum you have healers who do nothing but heal the moment the tank gets a minor scratch, and I’m like “please help kill things, the tank can heal themself from auto attack damage.”
LMFAO 1:02 "Where you constantly get paired with clowns who don't know how to play the damn game." As one of those PF solo players, I personally felt that. I'm always screaming "IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE FIGHT IN A (RE)CLEAR PARTY, WHY ARE YOU HERE!?!?" inside. If you are looking to start savages or extremes at current tier, please please please, I beg you, join a prog(progression)/learning party first.
Got carried in a prog, can get carried in a clear 😎 Obligatory "you don't pay my sub" comment. I'll never understand how people spend 100s and 1000s of hours in things and retain nothing
I don’t want to be the special snowflake here but I neither hate nor love healing.. I just do it if it’s required and can enjoy the game just as much. I sadly have lost ingame connections due to shift work but I always adjusted no matter what cause I played for the people I like. I never had a serious desire to play a specific class in FFXIV which is something I incredibly value in this game.. to be able to play all classes in 1 chat is amazing.
The top end of healing is seeing how low you can let people get before they have to be healed. Nothing like hitting a Macrocosmos to bring everyone from 10% to full and getting all the coms at the end of a fight.
Playing Healer in FF14 is at the moment a competition of "who endures that bad design and misserable way of playing longer". I am clocking at 5 years of selfinflicted punishment... ahh good times. Sometimes i just eat my AST cards spin like childs toy on crack. Playing Healer is really fun ^^... BTW , does somebody know the morse code for "pls shot me in the face", so i can blink with my eyes and be free ?
Have you tried just switching to other stuff? I love healing and see nothing in the healer classes as "bad design" Perhaps you don't push their limits enough to see how well designed they are?
@@elgatochurro Pushing limits = scheduling predetermined healing for specific mechanics, and then going back to a single nuke spam. Savage is the same thing. It's a dance where your default is being bored, and you only perk up if the pull goes really wrong.
@@HappyHubris guess there's two types of healer mains, those that looks doing well and those that want things to go horribly horribly wrong because they don't get feel good chemicals for a job well done.
I think me two years ago would have given healer a shot as a secondary job if you had one other option other than going down the white mage route through conjurer. I did not want to start my first MMO with a healing role unless it was something I felt had a simple beginning and real depth going for it later on. It's why I gravitated to pre-Endwalker Paladin and Dragoon + Monk shortly after. Starting out as a healer is being forced to eat vanilla ice cream when the devs should, for the love of all that is good, make arcanist start out in the healing category rather than dps - make adjustments to it's kit if necessary to still have it straddle that line between the choice you make at 30 between leveling scholar or summoner. People don't get a feel between the different types of healers the same way they do with the different tanks or melees. So it wouldn't surprise me if I looked at the analytics right now and saw a disproportionate amount of people in the pure healer preference which, from what little healer experience I have, is more of a reactive + less demanding way of playing which is cool. I just hate that there isn't the choice right away, and part of me thinks that's created this feedback loop where the devs don't want to add complexity to the healers because... they've never given fresh players a chance to even see shield healing, something where your knowledge of fights is rewarded because you can prepare for things better than kits with just big heals on them with less mit.
I was grinding white mage. From 1 to where I currently, am level 71 the first dungeon was a massive difficulty spike compared to everything before it. And there was a burger King crown dps on my team who put me down after every wipe. Healer suddenly wasn't fun anymore
oh yeah nah, holminster switch's first couple of pulls are absolute hell, even when you're incredibly adept at healing. if things are going wrong, its usually the tank not managing their mitigations properly.
I've been healing for 7 years now and yeah that dungeon is really hard hitting, if everyone isnt at the top of thier stuff (rotating CDs correctly, decent-good dps, and keeping heals on tank) y'all are dead and thats not a you issue it's a game issue. The dungeons in this game are massively unbalanced.
Heheh just wait for the first dungeon of endwalker, its also the first expansion where i personally started healing after tanking through other expansions
"The innate pressure of having the sole responsability of keeping your team alive" I fucking wish, my #1 problem with healing in FFXIV is that it's entirely dependant on dipshit dps and tanks using their Feint/Addle/Reprisal/Tactician-equivalent/Tank 2min AoE mit to survive Savage/Ultimate mechanics. If at least Feint/Addle/Reprisal were removed and just Tactician-equivalent/Tank 2min AoE were kept, I'd be somewhat happy.
Healers in this game don’t do anything else in most content. You press 1, maintain your DoT, and hit an oGCD heal to keep the tank alive. It’s miserable when the most fun healing this game has is when your party is a bunch of fuckups that make you carry them to the finish line
@@Salt_Mage I’m a warrior main so I’m used to contributing a lot to the heals , especially to my off tank during TB’s. But it’s gotten to the point sometimes that ppl confuse Clearing content , with parsing. And in my experience, healers that wanna see an imaginary big number. Is the biggest thorn in my side.
Ngl playing healer is scary, i have to keep everyone up, and buff dps while also doing damage and dot, i think it’s because i picked up AST, its so hard to manage 😂 ME: BUFF TEAM, DOT, DAMAGE, AHHH TANK IS DYING, HEAL, BUFF, AHHH MORE SCARY MECHANICS BUT I HV A CARD, AHH, NO WAIT I HV ALL THESE BUTTONS TO PRESS WHAT DO THEY DO???? I FORGOT!!!! 😂
Basically outside of Savage, healers are very boring to play. The only thing you do is occasionally reapply your dot, spam glare/malefic/dosis/broil and that's just about it. It doesn't help that all of the healers have a very similar gameplay look, which makes them all feel the same.
@@zinga6076 because they are the same, tanks are in the same position, no difference at all between them... The name is different, what you do is the same.
@@UmbraWeiss You might as well say all DPS are the same. For tanks: PLD doesn’t have a DPS gauge like WAR/DRK/GNB. DRK has two damage gauges. Personally I find GNB and WAR dull to play. Gauge building/spending is such a boring mechanic (and WoW went so hard into it).
A good friend of mine tried out FF XIV shortly after Endwalker released, and I never found out that he had quit after just a few hours and getting to the 16-17 range until several months afterwards, or that that he had tried it at all. He told me that he had started with Conjurer, hoping that playing a healer would get him through queues faster thanks to less people playing them, only for him to tell me: "Maybe there's a reason nobody wants to play healer" That truly said it all, from the mouth of a completely fresh player with few preconceptions. He said that the tiresome and boring quest design was doing it too, but ultimately it was the complete lack of fun in playing CNJ that sealed it.
Well if he stopped after the first dungeon he never even gave the game a real chance, yes the game is very slow in the beginning indeed but he could of also just switched to a multitude of other jobs at that stage, if he really wanted he may have found another job he maybe would like early on.
The bare basics is where he gave up That's not the fault of the healer role. That's because 14 wants to slowly teach you it's mechanics and content. This isn't wow where you just speed run to endgame. Any class would be boring when you desire something more exciting than statasha!
@@elgatochurro Scholar in Stormblood was the most fun I ever had playing FFXIV thanks to the trait Improved Aetherflow. What this trait does is reduce the cooldown of the ability Aetherflow by five seconds each time you spend an Aetherflow stack on an ability. This means with proper use of Aetherflow the ability that gives you stacks of Aetherflow and mana effectively has a 45 second CD instead of a 60 second. That's huge when most fights last 12-15 minutes, and if you didn't have anything to heal you can dump excess Aetherflow stacks on Energy Drain to generate a little extra mana and do some extra damage which is significantly better than over healing. On top of this Scholar had two DoTs, the standard one all healers get and an AoE DoT similar to NIN. When ShadowBringers dropped we not only lost Improved Aetherflow (which makes zero sense to me, Improved Aetherflow is a golden example of class design), we lost our AoE DoT. Elos and Selene just became color palettes, and at launch we didn't have Energy Drain. That's right, Scholar not only lost Improved Aetherflow but we also lost the ability to dump excess Aetherflow stacks for mana making Lucid Dreaming our only means of generating mana which made progging a nightmare on SCH without a ton of Piety. Luckily the devs realized one mistake and the next patch gave us back Energy Drain, but the fact they got rid of it in the first place showed they had no idea how the class they created functioned. I can't speak for all healers but for me it's been hard to enjoy the game after that, as much as I've tried.
I'm a healer main, i legit maxed out all 4 of the healers to level 90 before i started stormblood. And not wanting to waste exp, i switched classes and got all of my classes to level 70 for shadowbringers. And i got to say, i miss healing. I mained white mage until i got my real main the astro. The cards feed my gacha addiction and give damage buffs but do not do as much healing as white mage and i got some damage options that look cool. I enjoy it And if i want to spice things up, i like to make things interesting for myself and for the party and start to just not heal until they get super low in hp, so we can all get stressed out together
I really don’t know how it used to be, I started as a WHM in Shadowbringers, so I just like to sit back and take it easy by comparison to how it used to be.
Low level dungeons have barely anything to heal? Then why are the parties where the tank seems to melt every other mob without me having access to Holy, Lilies or Assize so annoyingly frequent? :P Note: Am a non-Healer main who has never even stepped foot in an extreme, so my perspective is likely quite skewed.
1. One Button Spam. 2. Overabundance of the same healing spell or ability that perforn the exact same task. 3. Warrior being a better healer than HEALERS!!!! These are pretty much my three big pet peeves about healers in this game. I would hope 7.0 would improve healers, but I very much doubt much will change and if not get worse. 😅
I play healer because DPS queuetime is awful, I dont like being the center of attention, and someone has to do the shit work, so I volunteered as tribute. You're welcome.
This raid tier was the most interactive healing we’ve had in a long time, but even then that’s just it clearing a very low bar by putting DoTs on all the TBs and raidwides
Finally giving up on healing in 7.0, as someone who healed every other MMO he's played. There's just too little to do, and the binary mechanics of even savages mean that you mitigate the current mechanic and go right back to single nuke spam.
As I am an absolute lemming who can’t figure out any class besides dps, would you mind terribly utilizing your years of experience in designing a quick updated how-to for levels 1-90? My time slots have run a bit barren and my servers take forever since many folk in my region have the same confusing A+B-C&D (in relation to your multiple-choice question) relationship with healing jobs as I do.
The real healer nightmare is when you need to abandon your Alliance because they always die from the same thing, me and my tank laughed or asses off in one alliance raid because everyone died in the simplest things possible, after 3-4atempts to res everyone, even the other 2 alliances gave up on them...
Eh. Been passionate about being a healer main since WoW beta times. But since FFXIV gave me the opportunity to try out all classes on a single char without having to go through the hassle of doing all the unlocks like in other game I tried tanks and all dps and crafters & gatherers too. And what can I say, I now play pretty much every class and have fun. So this is a mild disagree here from me.
Can't wait for a 5th healer with 1 button to spam, 1 dot and 5 billion ogcd overkill healing spells! I am totally not jaded after all of the terrible job reworks the game is perfect :)
Don't expect a new healer till like 10.0 when Astro goes back to beeing a hybrid regen/shield, 7.0 is giving is probably a new caster, another AST rework and the DRG-rework. 8.0 another phys range with scouting-gear and 9.0 AST-rework number 68
@@zirilan3398 I'm aware lol I'm hoping the caster is better then the awful SMN rework at least. I doubt they'll do 2 jobs an expansion for much longer too
@@vivicute3316 SMN now makes way more sense in a classical FF-design pre FF-X. I think current SMN should be seen as a Lvl 50 ARR-Job scaled up to 90 instead of a 90 Job. Yes I do miss Bane and the actual petcommands. I also miss the 1-2 combo during Phoenix. Remember. Remember them. Remember that the Jobs once where dope.
@@zirilan3398 I just wish my job didnt have to get deleted to get a "real smn". Visually sure it looks like a summoner now but mechanically...No you could replace the 3 primals with elemental spells and nothing would change. I'm hoping the new caster is similar to old smn but I doubt it since they are deleting dots/pets in general
@@vivicute3316 looking at how irrelevant BRD dots are now from a gameplayperspective. Jupp sounds about right. I also doubt that we will be getting a dotclass at all, since you can't balance dots with critrate and that's basically what they are doing.
I no longer enjoy healing in raids at all. I tried to call someone out for not healing and they lied to turn it around on me, then someone with them in VC helped them turn the group against me. I got them to the end and I was still treated like garbage for doing nothing wrong. This was a year ago and it still pisses me off. So I'm done
"I really should play something else" Yeah. like not white mage. 50% of your gripes where white mage exclusive. I would say get new material but. this was funny enough. good vid.
As a main healer from ARR I totally agree with your take on this. I still play healer, cos well you said it in the video lol. I do enjoy healing in harder content but other than that, I can easily start falling asleep. I enjoy it though because I have fast reactions, when shit hits the fan then things actually start to get fun. I love popping off with fast reaction times but we definitely need some TLC… I’ve often thought about them reducing the healers in 8 man content to just 1. I’m not sure how it would work, but one of the other times I have a lot of fun is when solo healing.
They should turn some gcd heals into ogcd, and give healers a mini damage rotation or something. The game is balanced around dealing damage all the time, but healers are the only role that has 1 button to press,
I have the feeling that we're heading into spamming one ability to do damage look at the Whitemage's Glare Spam and Samurai without Kaiten is just Spamming Shinten like a Bitch
Honestly, I’m not sure how that’ll solve anything party wise. You do two DoTs every 30 sec on bosses. Or you press it once on W2W, and continue to lay down Día/Aero just like before, 3x Holy, and pray the group and tank were competent enough to finish the fight.
As a tank main, I like that healing in this game is accessible enough that even a lobotomized patient can do it. But its very sad that so many people are shit at healing.
Have you tried improving yourself at tank? I've yet to run into many awful healers when I'm off my role but I do know plenty of random tanks who barely cycle mitigations for w2ws. I also don't get why you insult the role, it takes a good bit of experience to heal well and the game does not explain weaving to you at all. That's normally the biggest first step to more advanced healing.
@elgatochurro Did you not watch the video or are you just coping? Yeah, bad tanks exist, and a good healer cant fix a bad tank, but that changes nothing about what I said. Healer is still braindead easy, and that so many of them still manage to be bad at it is astounding, but that has only made me improve my tanking to compensate. (Also, I didnt insult the role, I just said it was easy, and that a lot of players still manage to fail miserably, especially mentors.)
@@Nightly- yes I'm totally coping because I didn't watch the 1000th "DPS take on healers" video... a good healer CAN fix a bad tank... ive done it even as sage, difficult as it was. Healer is NOT braindead easy, especially compared to tanks and most dps which follow a 1, 2, 3 rotation... youre gonna tell me thats some advanced mechanics? they even light it up for you like its for a child. "so many manage to be bad" again, sounds like a you problem. Ive not had that experience as blk or tank, and ive been playing a lot of tank this year. you called it BRAINDEAD you forgetful novice
@elgatochurro ...hold on. Are you actually trying to argue that healing is HARDER than tanking? Literally, the role that brings the most anxiety and has even more people who cant/wont play them?? And also, I didnt call it braindead in my original post, what I was referencing, but being braindead easy is somehow an insult and not me stating how ACTUALLY TOTALLY EASY IT IS TO HEAL IN THIS GAME? Please dont tell me you're a mentor too...
@@Nightly- Tanks: Tank stance activated, aoe enemies and move, stop pull and use resistances. use ranged ability to keep/grab aggro It feels pretty easy yeah, easier than trying to keep a tank alive. sorta why I dont touch it too much. Im not a Mentor, but I should be one. I plan on it and do good things for the community, especially new players. yknow unlike going "omg, the role you can mess up the most by not knowing your class intimately is easy, braindead easy"
I mean seriously, if they are going to make healers so simplistic, the least they could do is turn them into green dps and give them a 3 button damaging rotation and some damage ogcds
Don't really need that, there's also plenty of complexity for healer if you EVER PLAYED IT I feel. A 3 button whatever will just be redundant and take more space on my cluttered hud. It's not difficult or engaging.
@@elgatochurro correct, but because there is so much save or suck in ff14, healing most of the time devolves into healing some people who got hit by something or healing the tank occasionally. And I know a 3 button rotation isn’t exactly the most engaging thing on the planet but it’s certainly better than a 1 button rotation.
@@jkdragonjk6895 it's redundant is what it is, it won't do much for you once that nuance is gone with familiarity. Overall everyone around here seems to not be a healer in the first place. People in the comments lack info on the healers abilities and weaving combos, just point to the fact they're a bit more homogeneous now and cry that they're boring now as if the past was some glory and there was no trade offs, only nerfs for your precious scholar.
The tragedy of healers in FFXIV: Your reward for mastering your class, knowing your abilities, making good efficient use of your skill set and understanding the encounters you're in is pressing one button over and over again and refreshing a DoT. And these aren't deep skill sets with complex internal mechanics. Oh no, they are as shallow as they get.
The real healer nightmare is when you are tanking the Dead Ends dungeon, get to the first boss, and the healer won't use esuna... So, you wipe several times on the first boss before rage quitting. Because pressing esuna is TOO DAMN HARD. Come on, man!
@@tactichloe You go tell that to everybody currently playing the game. Or you could take a second and press esuna. It's not that difficult to press a button.
dear Yoshi P please give healera actual identities. and just fully overhaul healing. stop being scared and just do something new. its your game, take a risk and make something great. you know like how you fixed 1.0
This is not a game for people who like healing. Do what I did and play other games. I learned after two years they will never fix the problem because their game is popular. I can't wait for Ashes and Throne/LIberty is coming up soon. If you heal FF14 is not for you unless you like spamming one button for ninety levels.
Wow, that's so typical of this game though. I'm new to the game, and so far all I've seen is the same quality everywhere else. The only thing people lord about thi sgame is the story, and fuck no I skipped all that, no thanks, garbage
Personally I've never had an issue with the "Boring" rotation, maybe it's just me but I kinda felt like the complaint was mostly from people who just enjoy things being more difficult to do. I think the current rotation is fine and more easily allows for me to switch from damage to healing at the drop of a hat, I won't have to worry about my combo or rotation so to speak being ruined, especially when I have either newbies or people who actively choose not to play properly. To me it always minds cams off the same way as people complaining about holding aggro as a tank being too easy and I say this as someone who has played since Beta back when playing all these jobs were in fact harder to do and we still had attribute points to worry about, back when Cleric Stance was a thing and we and Lucid Dreaming was still call Shroud of saints when Eos and Selene actually had different abilities and the Astrolgian cards weren't basically all the same. Am I saying there are more issues? No oc course there are but I personally don't think the rotation is one of them. Personally, I love being a healer and my biggest issue being a healer is head-headed players that like to blame me for doing the dumb thing they know they shouldn't/can't do then are surprised when the obvious dumb thing goes poorly.
As an ex Healer main I don't want complexity for the sake of complexity. Anyone that says the issue with healers is that it's too simple aren't using the right words. The issue with healers is a lack of agency. Bosses have heal checks so you only heal when the boss tells you to, a tank is about to eat a TB (or a tank just ate a TB), and/or someone messed up a mechanic. When you aren't healing because the game told you to, you're keeping up your DoT and your spamming one GCD, occasionally weaving in other things during DPS burst windows. DPS gets to choose if they are melee, ranged, or caster and what kind of rotation they want. Even tanks have some variations on rotation and mitigation (blocking vs more passive healing). Healers are the only role where all of them play the same and give the player no ability to express themselves except by playing sub-optimally. Healers are THE flowchart role of the game.
@@CivilChevthey do not play the same... What garbage to spout... You're honestly telling me the same who works all about their shield statuses and dps to heal play the same as whm with their heavy hitting refills? The only thing so similar would just be their damage options Sch, sage, astro, whm play very differently if you're not spamming 1 button like a novice healer
@@elgatochurro Yes, each healer has a slightly different way of either doing a single target heal, AoE heal, Regen, or shield. That doesn't change the fact when a party knows what they are doing and you're only healing raid damage it's really boring.
Remember, when people asked Yoshi-P to make healing less boring he said "just play ultimate lol"
And then they solo-healer it on the same raid tier on release anyways! Let alone doing current EX's with no healer needed!
I find whm a little boring vs the other jobs - especially early game.
Sage is literally war's bloodbath
reason why I quit FFXIV healing sucks it's all choreographed not depended on healer jobs
@@wilfrem.4082 so you yourself done it huh?
Wait he actually said that? I thought it was a joke.😂
there is something I personaly call the healer paradox. It goes as follow : When everything go right your get bored to death. But when sh** hit the fan the fun begin....
Surely that’s incentive to pair with newer- more incompetent people. The worse they do, the more fun your job is.
@@toxiclunch Very true. Even if wall to wall no mitigation tank's can be trublesome at a time...
i cant deny that
@@toxiclunch And some of us already do that by joining roulettes solo. But don't you think it's a little unfair to have the enjoyment of our role be dictated by the level of incompetency of a group? I think it is unfair. Healer design needs changing.
As a healer main, I feel exactly the same lol. I really hope they change the healers in some way, or even, now hear me out here… change it so we just have 1 healer per 8 man party. I feel like that would be a lot better at least.
Most of my buttons don't get used unless I am in Savage.
I would like to have at least SOME skill expression in casual content :/
But you are totally right. The devs can screw us in any position they like, and we still continue playing healer. I quit Scholar after 8 years, only to pick Sage and do the same things in a slightly more fun way.
Sounds like a personal problem. You even done with hw?
Even in a video that’s supposed to be talking trash about the state of healers I can’t escape being reminded about my main (bard) being trash.
I hear a lot of people complain about healing in XIV, but I really love it. I like how simple it is in normal content. Any time there's new content I always play WHM for it specifically because it's so simple that I can pay full attention to the new bosses and new mechanics instead of having my attention split with the same rotation I've been doing for the entire expansion. Plus healing content that no one knows yet is hilariously chaotic. lol Healing mentor roulette was super fun because I would get unusual duties that most people didn't have memorized already. I also love healing for sprouts. But at the same time, if I get people who know the content then healing is super zen and I like that too. :3 I started the game as WHM and still main it after 4 years, despite leveling everything else to max too.
They do have their moments.
I healed WoW most of my time and it just became a constant “smash your face at the keyboard” until the either the enemy were dead or your party was dead
FF14’s healing is great with a shitty party, but dull with a good party.
WoW healing felt stressful in a good party and pure agony is a shifty good.
In both MMOs, this role is the most dependent on the party for your experiences.
It's not fair to keep the entire role simple for you to keep not doing much. Even if healing was increased in complexity, you could just stick to weak content and YOLO whatever buttons you feel like pressing that day.
Take a break from healing, watch a random healer, and quietly die inside and return. The times I've seen crap healers while levelling other jobs is too many it breaks my heart...
Yup, I have so many stories of this exact thing.
Just for fun I'm leveling another tank up for 7.0, and it's shocking how much I die in gear +40 ilvls over what was current for a dungeon.
I started the game as a paladin, but as I leveled the other jobs I was pleasantly surprised by how much I enjoyed playing as an astrologian. So much to do and I also tend to over heal but it's so much fun. Getting commendations from the entire party is nice too
Over healing is a waste, you can often let aapected helios and aapected benefic to heal people back to full if they're not under threat or dangerously low.
I really dislike that outside of high-difficulty content there is almost nothing for healers to... well, HEAL.
I can understand dungeons, because it is msq content, all kinds of players goes there, if the healer dies it is almost always a wipe, yadda-yadda. But not anymore, starting from ShB and into EW, tanks was progressively getting better at healing/shielding themselves and party members. Hell, Warrior nowadays is unkillable in dungeons. And the role of healer as a source of life was dwindling with each expansion I listed. I wonder where this is going to end. (people farming glams in EW dungeons by runnig 3dps+warrior - go figure)
But I will never understand why so little challenge is in so-called "optional" content like raids and Alliance raids. All of them get insanely trivialized by overgearing (because no itemlevel sync lol) to the point of outright skipping ENTIRE PHASES OF FIGHT. And there's so little unavoidable damage (f.e. raid-wide attacks) for healers to work with. As long as noone takes vuln stacks, you are basically a terrible caster dps.
No targets to Esuna, Tanks eating tankbusters for breakfast and asking for more, mechanics coming in ve-e-e-e-ry slowly so quickly recovering party is NOT a necessity.
Why do we need healer in normal content anyway? Ah, yes, to heal/raise first timers and sleepers. We are just a safety net.
When the most exciting runs as a healer in normal content are bad runs where people screwed over and you had to actually resort to actively using your abilities - this is not a good design.
And now there's high-end content which is complete opposite. NOW you are REQUIRED to utilize 100% of your toolkit to keep the party alive AND keep damaging the boss so you can make it before enrage. New healers in extreme/savage gets their arse blasted by the tremendous difficulty spike compared to 90% of other game content. No more "green dps" but an actual healer, who must carefully apply their abilities in proper time. And people wonder why there's shortage of healers in PF nowadays?
1) Gameplay is still boring, even in ultimate. That leads to...
2) ...playing good as a healer offering much less gratification and sense of accomplishment than doing the same as DPS or a Tank.
3) Game may teach you the basics, but never lets you to actually apply your abilities to its fullest in normal content.
100% this is how I feel as well. Game should just let you queue into dungeons as a War + 3 DPS from now on.
Well with how low tank busters hit in normal content in this expansion, the only thing i use with WHM when my team is good, is regen.... yes regen. I do a AOE and simple regen and all is good, the only time i need to even use my skills is when i go in an Old raid like Orbone Monastery, or the Nier Raids, or a good Diablo fight :)) For example in the new Raids the tank buster is a joke:)) it hits almost nothing, meanwhile in a Nier raid if the tank is not on full Hp or doesn't have mitigation on, will die instantly .... they make the content way to casual nowadays, i have no idea why, but the game slowly becomes way to casual , at this point i'm waiting for a button that you press and the game plays itself. In the new raid the only one who is even a challange is Halone, but even she hits nothing when you need to stack up... the only reason she even kills people are because the mechanic spam, otherwise is as easy as the rest in this tier. But this is only me probably, i see illusions like they say in my clan when we start to talk about this :))
@@UmbraWeiss I've been saying this since ShB.
Also can we PLEASE give level syncing a revamp? It feels awful to be synced down to a point where you're missing core abilities for your rotation/gameplay.
I literally avoid leveling roulette like the plague in order to minimize my chances of getting synced below 60.
@@CivilChev It feels awful because they pushed skills that where usuable on those levels to higher level, so now most jobs don't have basic skills in lower level content, because all of those are pushed to level 80+... Playing this game from 1.0 makes you really mad at this game sometimes, lately is like they are burned out and have no new ideas anymore, wee get these joke mounts who no one ever uses, the same style of gear , all the gear after Shb is like copy paste, and even after 10years they don't want to swap some job gears so people can have variety, healers have the same style of robes all the time, bard is always the same, i would love a different style for once or a job swap, they even stopped to swap the crafted gear for the last one... They always swapped those... I don't know what they do lately, but there is a real need for fresh ideas, because right now they are traped in their own little world with the templates ready... I have no idea why they need to force what they think is the Ff style when the entire Ff franchise is good because every entry is different, fantasy , sc fi, and everything you can imagine, but wee get this what i have in my head kind of Ff style for 10years without any change.
@@UmbraWeiss I cannot agree with you more. I've only been playing since the tail end of HW and I think SB was their best expansion in terms of class balance and game design.
Just like WoW, FFXIV peaked with its second expansion.
Videos like this make me wonder if my time as a healer in FFXIV is an anomaly, in nearly every queue I've had, 90% or more, I've only really had bad tanks or "Chad" tanks, they either don't know to use their damage mitigation properly, or do insane pulls that have me using nearly every button in my kit to keep them alive, I've only had a couple of runs where I was bored, but I was almost grateful for that. Mostly because with either of those two tank options, you get blamed when we all go down, not the tank
Learn to use all your options to keep the tank up. YES all of them. I expect to make use and cycle through the big and small cooldowns for the tank and parties safety. It's what I love about healing wall 2 wall.
I can't even make use this use of the options if we're not being threatened enough, like why even have Benediction, Haima, Etc if they're not being used because nothing calls for their use.
I know this is a Final Fantasy video but that Maple Story Kerning City BGM you played in the middle of the video, brought back so much memories. Great Vid
God bless the One Button Rotation(tm), and the occasional DoT placement
you forgot about the anger you feel when a party member runs out of range and then blames you for it
As a long time healer main in pretty much every game I recently switched to dragoon and im loving it. Healer just doesnt feel like a healer in this game. Which is sad because they have such pretty skills.
How does healer, which every kit is 95% or more about healing not feel like healing?
I like to hide in Zadnor as a healer and pretend I am a badass healer.
I definitely miss my DoTs!! I took a 5 year break and only came back this January and oh boy, everything is different! One thing I liked about the job and why I wanted to play it, aside for potentially getting cool, full summons one day since we only had shitty egis back then, was because I’m into debuffing and enfeebling my enemies! I liked that aspect and it’s part of the reason I played the job in the first place! Lol this new version is ok, but I want my DoTs back lol. Oh and yeah, I’m big into poisoning my enemies in various ways too lol. If you don’t want SMN to do anything like that fine, whatever, just take the old SMN toolkit skeleton and plaster it, in a more refined way than I’m implying here of course, onto a brand new job that is a Sabateur or something. lol in fact XIII’s Sabateur role is what made me realize I enjoyed debuffing my foes into pitiful, crippled shit bags in the first place lmao
Play bard
@@elgatochurro I considered it, when I was in my last XIV spree. I’ve soured on the game and the franchise recently though. You can probably guess why. That isn’t to say I won’t pick 14 back up again in a few years or something though. While I was last there I had a lot of fun.
@@mhiggs8001 OMFG... You guys are so obsessed with what you've lost you don't even look at what you've gained...
Each and every one of you talks to see the boons that came with shb and the removal of the archaic gameplay from before...
"My healers lack damage" we use wisdom now, for not just healing but DPS. No longer do we have to deal with cleric stances or switching between fairies or such to deal damage. It's perfectly fine.
I'd like to see what what changed, what else we got.
Instead you all wish to cry ENDLESSLY over the past and act like nothing was gained.
I think the removal of the playstyle sucks, but smn is now more inline with how summoner worked in older ff games. Also Titan is actually used. That being said if the job doesn't get Leviathan, Shiva, and Ramuh in Dawntrail I'll probably drop it.
@@miricobladetail9670 I’ve quit playing again, last time I did that it lasted 5 years. I’m not sure I’m coming back this time. I didn’t say anything about Titan not being used? Rereading the comment I left sounds like it was left by me in a manic episode.
I wish the healers just at least had some kind of identity to them. Give scholar their DoTs, bane and tri disaster, Give astro back their different cards, sleeve draw and hybrid healing, give sage more resources like Phlegma and Toxicon to manage and more interactivity with eukrasia into the rest of the kit. I’d honestly be fine if they leave whm as it is as the easy beginner healer (lets be real the only people who want healing to stay as it is only play this one anyway.) maybe leaning it even more into being incentivised to use GCD healing than it already is by having more resources like thin air and indulgence that work in tandem with gcds, or perhaps something that turns your regens into equivalent damage to the enemy you have the highest enmity on (so you don’t lose potency using regen and medica 2, but make it a 1 min cd that allows these abilities to be used for the missing glare of equivalent damage.)
Bruh... How do they not have "Identity"? Have you even played them? Done their class quests? I remember it all, I know the way the magic works and it's principles, I remember it. I know each of their strengths and weaknesses and how each one plays differently from each other. How do they lack an identity?
And why on Earth are you old scholar mains still crying over not having 6 dots?
I don't understand...
I have enough resources to manage as sage, where I have healing resources, AND a personal shield I want to break just to get more damage resources, addersgall.
Bruh, I play every healer and love them... And yes I don't see much id want changed. White is insanely powerful and overwhelming onto enemies.
@@elgatochurro
Gameplaywise, healers barely have an identity anymore, the closest one gets is WHM as the GCD healer. Sage and Scholar have like 70% skill overlap and AST lost its status as a hybrid healer.
I main healer, specifically sage actually, I have my BiS and have cleared the entirety of the current tier on all 4 healers. I am very knowledgeable about how they all play. I don’t say they have no identity because I don’t want to like the direction of the hame, they, like the tanks now, have no identity and I wish they did because I know the devs can do better at job design, I have seen it.
Having cool lore is one thing, but the gameplay does not reflect the lore as it should, the way healers and tanks are designed these days feels like pure laziness for the sake of making them easier to balance, similarly to how they lobotomised SMN in 6.0, took away everything unique about it and replaced it with literally nothing, leaving it with fester/energy drain and ruin 4, which no longer even have a place in the kit and feel disjointed, existing solely to be pressed on cooldown with no interaction with any of the rest of the jobs kit. The same thought process applies to the healers.
Good for you if you find sage hard to manage but most people don’t, popping your shields just happens naturally if you actually use them when you need them, the most fun to optimise part of the job for me is kardia management, which can be satisfying to pass around and heal people up without needing to waste your addersgall. That’s all it is though, a fun little optimisation, it’s not exactly the galaxy brain job you’re making it out to be, it’s arguably the easiest healer.
@@elgatochurro
Btw you mentioned you have to break shields for damage resources? Idk if you’re aware but toxicon 2 does the same damage as dosis 3, making it a damage loss to put up a shield solely to get a charge of it
@@obamaorb7426 "Gameplaywise, healers barely have an identity anymore" yeah you definitely dont play healer at all... WHM isnt about GCD, if anything its about regens
Sage and Scholar do NOT have many similarities and I brought both to 90, they're the most far apart "same style" I've played in the game. Sage is about constantly reapplying your mitigation shields and healing the missing HP, you have to use many combos to heal big quickly if not expending a resource and lacks big healing. Sch is about bigger heals and plays entirely differently outside pulls, you use a few select big resource, big cooldowns at the end of pulls or for big damage and dont want to use too many as itd be wasteful.
You say you main healer, but theyre the same... how??? all 4??? EVEN THE TANKS???
straight up, cant believe this. and yes, seems youre just salty about losing a nonsensical amount of dots as sch like everyone else... as if the fairy, unique healing style FAR before Sage joined, yknow the only other barrier focused healer?
"solely to be pressed on cooldown with no interaction with any of the rest of the jobs kit" again, sounds like youre jsut doing group to group pulls, and not pushing what the class can do. if youre not gonna push the class to its limits and play easy mode, ofc youre going to be just hitting big cure all day, its boring to do that, i always encourage wall to wall pulls.
I didnt say I found Sage hard to manage, I was saying i improved at it. Unlike some people who try to get by pressing cure 2 all day...
Again, popping shields doesnt jsut naturally happen, on the tank sure, but I can have it on myself, pop it myself, wait for the next one to pop with eukrasia ready, Ive learned a lot from playing and pushing limits. Its been much more fun than whatever you're doing back in HW dungeons.
*"im not sure if you're aware of this, but like... that aoe ability is a waste compared to the single target dosis" ... yeah... if youre WASTING it... this is EXACTLY what I was talking about...*
@@elgatochurro
How is whm about regens? It literally has 3 regens, 2 of which it shares with ast: regen and medica 2. It’s identity is more GCDs because its abilities complement that, its entire resource is based around them, misery charges from using them, cure 3 is unique to whm and plenary indulgence buffs them all.
As for similarities between sage and scholar:
Fairy = Kardia
Seraph passive shield = Haima
Sacred soil = Kerachole
Druochole/Ixochole = Lustrate/Indomitability
Whispering Dawn = Physis
Ruin 2 = Lower skill cap Toxicon
Emergency Tactics = Pepsis
Fey Illumination = Holos
All of these examples are functionally the same and for use in the exact same situations.
And yes, the tanks are headed the same direction, they now all consist of just a 123 combo and a gauge/series of procs to spend every minute, not to mention most of the mitigation is all homogenised too outside of the 25 second cooldowns/tbn which is 15. Only slightly unique one now is gunbreaker after the paladin changes which was only suffering because of the insistence on the 2 min buff window every job now has to follow, paladin could not work with this due to its nature as a sustain damage job.
Your argument is that I’m just ranting nonsensically because I want scholar to have it’s 7 DoTs back, I don’t even want that, I don’t want cleric stance back either, I just want the jobs to actually have a unique feel to how they play rather than them all just being a 1 button dps rotation with a 30 sec DoT, giving DoTs to sch is just an easy idea to come up with but not 7 of them, I’d say 2 or 3, with tri disaster and bane as extra skills to complement this.
What I said is solely to be pressed on CD wad SMNs energy drain and fester, which it is, it used to be a low damage skill that gained power for each DoT you had on the enemy so it felt like a natural addition to the kit, now it feels like pointless filler addition to just be pressed every minute, same as ruin 4 which previously existed as a proc from egi assault, the opener would give you 4 stacks to use for movement, nowadays it’s just used for damage because it exists once a minute.
It’s not exactly difficult to play any healer in a dungeon lets be real, just apply a shield before a pull, press kerachole and haima/panhaima (alternate per wall to wall pull) and if your team isnt bad then the mobs will be dead before anyone is even close to death, if not, just top up the tank with druochole and taurochole. Dungeon content in general is free, just do that and spam your aoe ability/phlegma when it comes up.
Using a shield and then a toxicon is still a loss over just using your dyskrasia twice as well, its only worth ysing toxicon when you apply shields before the pull, just use an aoe one and put one on the tank, the tanks will break naturally and to break your own just pull slightly before or stand in 1 aoe to force it to break, for a boss, same principle but the bosses aoe skill that most of them start with will break yours on its own. There is nothing more annoying than a healer that doesn’t do any damage in a pull though, purely because of how easy dungeon healing is. Healing only even becomes difficult in savage because of how your DPS is needed to meet dps enrage checks, even then your oGCD abilities can usually carry you through the encounter without the need to apply GCD shields at all, unless its like P12S part 2 where everything hits like a nuke, or P10S harrowing hell without a tank LB.
as a paladin main i like to say thank you to all the 20% of healers who know that there job isnt dps only ty so much for healing us sometimes .
As a paladin main, i would also give a middlefinger to the remaining 80%. I tolerate your green dps asses because you can cure debuffs and i get clemency at level 58.
Yes, but as a healer, when you have a button that'll magically bump you to full health there really isn't any pressure to keep you topped off all the time lol. As long as your health doesn't go below 1, you're doing fine (especially in final fantasy, when you have like 28 buttons to just heal and there's never enough damage going out to justify using most of them)((I mean really, I tank a bit too, and you shouldn't stress too hard if the healer is letting your health drop a bit. At the end of the day healing is the easiest role in the game for normal content, and if pushing our one single damage button will help speed things up, then by the gods will I be pushing that button))
@@TamsmitSam i know, i play healer myself. Tho it seems many healers forgot that little thing and gimmick of their Main chosen job that is healing.
if youre alive then the healer is doing their job
@@schlay8120 sure and if i keep agro and stand still i am doing my job but it be better to dps orifi do single target hit agains mobs so long get agro it good there is many reasons i can use to turn this against you .
I like healing. I like being a healer (most of the time). Normal game mode? No issues. Savage and Ultimates? AAAAaaaaarrrrrggggg 😱 I nearly gave up on healer entirely! The solution for me? Level another job, level an Alt, or stop playing FFXIV for a while. I’ve tried all of those options. 😅 But I always go back to my healer. No matter which one it is. 🤣 Thanks for the funny video. 👍
Best thing about healing in this game is the insta-que for roulettes, I will admit that I'm the type of healer that likes to keep people close to full health as much as possible. That's just how I like to heal in all rpgs with healers. Gives people more freedom to mess up without having to worry about them getting downed. Plus as a healer healing will always be my first priority over damage.
Then on the other end of the spectrum you have healers who do nothing but heal the moment the tank gets a minor scratch, and I’m like “please help kill things, the tank can heal themself from auto attack damage.”
I see the other side healer who dps and dont bother to heal
I’ll take the over heals unless your Dps are crap then not really the healers fault the dps sck
@@anteprs7908 i feel that deep in my soul. Sadly. But there are a few good ones :3
Worse when the tank takes a scratch…and they spam Cure III coz they didn’t read their tooltips and think the bigger number is better…
LMFAO 1:02 "Where you constantly get paired with clowns who don't know how to play the damn game." As one of those PF solo players, I personally felt that.
I'm always screaming "IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE FIGHT IN A (RE)CLEAR PARTY, WHY ARE YOU HERE!?!?" inside.
If you are looking to start savages or extremes at current tier, please please please, I beg you, join a prog(progression)/learning party first.
Got carried in a prog, can get carried in a clear 😎
Obligatory "you don't pay my sub" comment. I'll never understand how people spend 100s and 1000s of hours in things and retain nothing
I don’t want to be the special snowflake here but I neither hate nor love healing.. I just do it if it’s required and can enjoy the game just as much. I sadly have lost ingame connections due to shift work but I always adjusted no matter what cause I played for the people I like. I never had a serious desire to play a specific class in FFXIV which is something I incredibly value in this game.. to be able to play all classes in 1 chat is amazing.
Happy this was recommended to me, love your energy and humor, keep it up! 😄 Greetings from a sge/mch main lol
Thank you for your kind words. 😊
The top end of healing is seeing how low you can let people get before they have to be healed. Nothing like hitting a Macrocosmos to bring everyone from 10% to full and getting all the coms at the end of a fight.
Playing Healer in FF14 is at the moment a competition of "who endures that bad design and misserable way of playing longer". I am clocking at 5 years of selfinflicted punishment... ahh good times. Sometimes i just eat my AST cards spin like childs toy on crack. Playing Healer is really fun ^^... BTW , does somebody know the morse code for "pls shot me in the face", so i can blink with my eyes and be free ?
Have you tried just switching to other stuff? I love healing and see nothing in the healer classes as "bad design"
Perhaps you don't push their limits enough to see how well designed they are?
@@elgatochurro Pushing limits = scheduling predetermined healing for specific mechanics, and then going back to a single nuke spam. Savage is the same thing. It's a dance where your default is being bored, and you only perk up if the pull goes really wrong.
@@HappyHubris guess there's two types of healer mains, those that looks doing well and those that want things to go horribly horribly wrong because they don't get feel good chemicals for a job well done.
@@elgatochurro it's not a job well done if you're just spamming a single nuke for most of your casts. It's a gutted job that lacks player engagement.
@@HappyHubris I see someone hasn't played healer past 40
Healer: "What is my purpose?"
Yoshi-P: "I dunno."
I think me two years ago would have given healer a shot as a secondary job if you had one other option other than going down the white mage route through conjurer. I did not want to start my first MMO with a healing role unless it was something I felt had a simple beginning and real depth going for it later on. It's why I gravitated to pre-Endwalker Paladin and Dragoon + Monk shortly after. Starting out as a healer is being forced to eat vanilla ice cream when the devs should, for the love of all that is good, make arcanist start out in the healing category rather than dps - make adjustments to it's kit if necessary to still have it straddle that line between the choice you make at 30 between leveling scholar or summoner. People don't get a feel between the different types of healers the same way they do with the different tanks or melees. So it wouldn't surprise me if I looked at the analytics right now and saw a disproportionate amount of people in the pure healer preference which, from what little healer experience I have, is more of a reactive + less demanding way of playing which is cool. I just hate that there isn't the choice right away, and part of me thinks that's created this feedback loop where the devs don't want to add complexity to the healers because... they've never given fresh players a chance to even see shield healing, something where your knowledge of fights is rewarded because you can prepare for things better than kits with just big heals on them with less mit.
I was grinding white mage. From 1 to where I currently, am level 71 the first dungeon was a massive difficulty spike compared to everything before it. And there was a burger King crown dps on my team who put me down after every wipe. Healer suddenly wasn't fun anymore
oh yeah nah, holminster switch's first couple of pulls are absolute hell, even when you're incredibly adept at healing. if things are going wrong, its usually the tank not managing their mitigations properly.
I've been healing for 7 years now and yeah that dungeon is really hard hitting, if everyone isnt at the top of thier stuff (rotating CDs correctly, decent-good dps, and keeping heals on tank) y'all are dead and thats not a you issue it's a game issue. The dungeons in this game are massively unbalanced.
Heheh just wait for the first dungeon of endwalker, its also the first expansion where i personally started healing after tanking through other expansions
@@soldierorsomething I recently got that dungeon for the first time as any Healer and it was so hectic that I was left a bit light headed afterwards.
So it's either "You do too well and are bored out of you mind, or you're agonizing over everything as things devolve into chaos."
"The innate pressure of having the sole responsability of keeping your team alive" I fucking wish, my #1 problem with healing in FFXIV is that it's entirely dependant on dipshit dps and tanks using their Feint/Addle/Reprisal/Tactician-equivalent/Tank 2min AoE mit to survive Savage/Ultimate mechanics. If at least Feint/Addle/Reprisal were removed and just Tactician-equivalent/Tank 2min AoE were kept, I'd be somewhat happy.
Young gained a sub for the OSRS reference. ;o. Super entertaining video
Im so glad I played the game fresh when it came out and didnt play my from 0- to max level after the healer nerfs.
I wondered how many of these issues stem from the fact that a large chunk of healers think that their Dps is more important than keeping people alive
All of this stems from healers falling to slight snoozes mid-raid from boredom of pressing one button for 85% of their gcd uptime.
Healers in this game don’t do anything else in most content. You press 1, maintain your DoT, and hit an oGCD heal to keep the tank alive.
It’s miserable when the most fun healing this game has is when your party is a bunch of fuckups that make you carry them to the finish line
@@Salt_Mage
I’m a warrior main so I’m used to contributing a lot to the heals , especially to my off tank during TB’s. But it’s gotten to the point sometimes that ppl confuse
Clearing content , with parsing.
And in my experience, healers that wanna see an imaginary big number. Is the biggest thorn in my side.
fact as paladin main hate healer who forget to heal
@@anteprs7908 oh the old content of ff14 when you dont have access to clemency 😅, better drink your potions then
As someone who has been trying to clear P8S as a healer in PF for far too long I feel seen.
Ngl playing healer is scary, i have to keep everyone up, and buff dps while also doing damage and dot, i think it’s because i picked up AST, its so hard to manage 😂
ME: BUFF TEAM, DOT, DAMAGE, AHHH TANK IS DYING, HEAL, BUFF, AHHH MORE SCARY MECHANICS BUT I HV A CARD, AHH, NO WAIT I HV ALL THESE BUTTONS TO PRESS WHAT DO THEY DO???? I FORGOT!!!! 😂
the healer role doesn't need new actions. It needs quality of life and UX improvements.
Funny this came up with the entire #healersonstrike going on right now just before 7.0
I don't like healing. But I like very short roulette queues. I also like tanking even less than healing. So healing it is.
4:45 I did not need to be called out like this I feel attacked
Not sure if I understand what he is saying in this video. I am playing Sage and it's great. Maybe I can agree once I hit Savage.
Basically outside of Savage, healers are very boring to play. The only thing you do is occasionally reapply your dot, spam glare/malefic/dosis/broil and that's just about it. It doesn't help that all of the healers have a very similar gameplay look, which makes them all feel the same.
@@zinga6076 because they are the same, tanks are in the same position, no difference at all between them... The name is different, what you do is the same.
@@UmbraWeiss You might as well say all DPS are the same.
For tanks: PLD doesn’t have a DPS gauge like WAR/DRK/GNB. DRK has two damage gauges. Personally I find GNB and WAR dull to play. Gauge building/spending is such a boring mechanic (and WoW went so hard into it).
@@toodleselnoodos6738 Yes, they made everything the same, almost everything, or simplified them so even those who just use 2 button do some dmg ...
A good friend of mine tried out FF XIV shortly after Endwalker released, and I never found out that he had quit after just a few hours and getting to the 16-17 range until several months afterwards, or that that he had tried it at all. He told me that he had started with Conjurer, hoping that playing a healer would get him through queues faster thanks to less people playing them, only for him to tell me: "Maybe there's a reason nobody wants to play healer" That truly said it all, from the mouth of a completely fresh player with few preconceptions. He said that the tiresome and boring quest design was doing it too, but ultimately it was the complete lack of fun in playing CNJ that sealed it.
Well if he stopped after the first dungeon he never even gave the game a real chance, yes the game is very slow in the beginning indeed but he could of also just switched to a multitude of other jobs at that stage, if he really wanted he may have found another job he maybe would like early on.
As an ex Healer main, he's right.
The bare basics is where he gave up
That's not the fault of the healer role. That's because 14 wants to slowly teach you it's mechanics and content. This isn't wow where you just speed run to endgame. Any class would be boring when you desire something more exciting than statasha!
@@CivilChevhow are there so many haters for healing I've no idea...
@@elgatochurro Scholar in Stormblood was the most fun I ever had playing FFXIV thanks to the trait Improved Aetherflow.
What this trait does is reduce the cooldown of the ability Aetherflow by five seconds each time you spend an Aetherflow stack on an ability. This means with proper use of Aetherflow the ability that gives you stacks of Aetherflow and mana effectively has a 45 second CD instead of a 60 second. That's huge when most fights last 12-15 minutes, and if you didn't have anything to heal you can dump excess Aetherflow stacks on Energy Drain to generate a little extra mana and do some extra damage which is significantly better than over healing.
On top of this Scholar had two DoTs, the standard one all healers get and an AoE DoT similar to NIN.
When ShadowBringers dropped we not only lost Improved Aetherflow (which makes zero sense to me, Improved Aetherflow is a golden example of class design), we lost our AoE DoT. Elos and Selene just became color palettes, and at launch we didn't have Energy Drain.
That's right, Scholar not only lost Improved Aetherflow but we also lost the ability to dump excess Aetherflow stacks for mana making Lucid Dreaming our only means of generating mana which made progging a nightmare on SCH without a ton of Piety. Luckily the devs realized one mistake and the next patch gave us back Energy Drain, but the fact they got rid of it in the first place showed they had no idea how the class they created functioned.
I can't speak for all healers but for me it's been hard to enjoy the game after that, as much as I've tried.
I'm a healer main, i legit maxed out all 4 of the healers to level 90 before i started stormblood.
And not wanting to waste exp, i switched classes and got all of my classes to level 70 for shadowbringers.
And i got to say, i miss healing. I mained white mage until i got my real main the astro. The cards feed my gacha addiction and give damage buffs but do not do as much healing as white mage and i got some damage options that look cool. I enjoy it
And if i want to spice things up, i like to make things interesting for myself and for the party and start to just not heal until they get super low in hp, so we can all get stressed out together
I really don’t know how it used to be, I started as a WHM in Shadowbringers, so I just like to sit back and take it easy by comparison to how it used to be.
Low level dungeons have barely anything to heal? Then why are the parties where the tank seems to melt every other mob without me having access to Holy, Lilies or Assize so annoyingly frequent? :P
Note: Am a non-Healer main who has never even stepped foot in an extreme, so my perspective is likely quite skewed.
Except that bs mobs dont melt a full 6 mob group take 1 to 2 mins and there is something to heal it called tank
1. One Button Spam.
2. Overabundance of the same healing spell or ability that perforn the exact same task.
3. Warrior being a better healer than HEALERS!!!!
These are pretty much my three big pet peeves about healers in this game. I would hope 7.0 would improve healers, but I very much doubt much will change and if not get worse. 😅
What do you mean overuse? Do you never push your healer to do better? ANY WALL TO WALLS? That's so inefficient healing
I play healer because DPS queuetime is awful, I dont like being the center of attention, and someone has to do the shit work, so I volunteered as tribute. You're welcome.
If it's shit to you, maybe you should play something else
@@elgatochurro No. Goodbye.
@@JohnkyTonkbadonkadonk mad because bad?
@elgatochurro Already explained why, dont be a troll.
@@JohnkyTonkbadonkadonk because you don't appreciate it clearly, it's the best role
As a healer I will drag you to victory kicking and screaming if I must.
I miss my 3.0 Astro cards.
correction: SCH is peppermint flavored and SGE is blueberry.
P5S - P8S were really fun for healers as was Barbariccia. But anything normal is a big snoozefest xD
This raid tier was the most interactive healing we’ve had in a long time, but even then that’s just it clearing a very low bar by putting DoTs on all the TBs and raidwides
bring back SB astro thanks yoshi pee
THIS!
Deep dungeon as healer…solo…all of them 👏 ultimate flex
SCH is more a 90% cacao dark chocolate. Some people just crave their joy to just be openly bitter.
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Are you using Maplestory music in your background ?
Yes I am. The track I used is Bad guys.
@@zinga6076 that brings me back
Finally giving up on healing in 7.0, as someone who healed every other MMO he's played. There's just too little to do, and the binary mechanics of even savages mean that you mitigate the current mechanic and go right back to single nuke spam.
As I am an absolute lemming who can’t figure out any class besides dps, would you mind terribly utilizing your years of experience in designing a quick updated how-to for levels 1-90? My time slots have run a bit barren and my servers take forever since many folk in my region have the same confusing A+B-C&D (in relation to your multiple-choice question) relationship with healing jobs as I do.
Heal Better!
The real healer nightmare is when you need to abandon your Alliance because they always die from the same thing, me and my tank laughed or asses off in one alliance raid because everyone died in the simplest things possible, after 3-4atempts to res everyone, even the other 2 alliances gave up on them...
Why do you give up? Are people not allowed to make mistakes?
Eh.
Been passionate about being a healer main since WoW beta times.
But since FFXIV gave me the opportunity to try out all classes on a single char without having to go through the hassle of doing all the unlocks like in other game I tried tanks and all dps and crafters & gatherers too. And what can I say, I now play pretty much every class and have fun. So this is a mild disagree here from me.
I main WHM because I’d rather heal my party myself and know we’ll survive than rely on another healer to actually do their job xD
When I go as white mage, people don't die :)
When i go as white mage i remember my lillies after the fight is over 😂
Can't wait for a 5th healer with 1 button to spam, 1 dot and 5 billion ogcd overkill healing spells! I am totally not jaded after all of the terrible job reworks the game is perfect :)
Don't expect a new healer till like 10.0 when Astro goes back to beeing a hybrid regen/shield, 7.0 is giving is probably a new caster, another AST rework and the DRG-rework.
8.0 another phys range with scouting-gear and 9.0 AST-rework number 68
@@zirilan3398 I'm aware lol I'm hoping the caster is better then the awful SMN rework at least. I doubt they'll do 2 jobs an expansion for much longer too
@@vivicute3316 SMN now makes way more sense in a classical FF-design pre FF-X.
I think current SMN should be seen as a Lvl 50 ARR-Job scaled up to 90 instead of a 90 Job.
Yes I do miss Bane and the actual petcommands.
I also miss the 1-2 combo during Phoenix.
Remember. Remember them. Remember that the Jobs once where dope.
@@zirilan3398 I just wish my job didnt have to get deleted to get a "real smn". Visually sure it looks like a summoner now but mechanically...No you could replace the 3 primals with elemental spells and nothing would change. I'm hoping the new caster is similar to old smn but I doubt it since they are deleting dots/pets in general
@@vivicute3316 looking at how irrelevant BRD dots are now from a gameplayperspective.
Jupp sounds about right.
I also doubt that we will be getting a dotclass at all, since you can't balance dots with critrate and that's basically what they are doing.
I no longer enjoy healing in raids at all.
I tried to call someone out for not healing and they lied to turn it around on me, then someone with them in VC helped them turn the group against me.
I got them to the end and I was still treated like garbage for doing nothing wrong. This was a year ago and it still pisses me off. So I'm done
Maybe don't be a jerk?
Just wait till you will be running with tank who can't hold aggro or refuse using any of the skills. Now real fun begins :D
"I really should play something else" Yeah. like not white mage. 50% of your gripes where white mage exclusive. I would say get new material but. this was funny enough. good vid.
Was nott expecting hero's quest music
Ah the tanks not having mit on their bars that seems to be me anytime I'm playing sge.
One day bard bros, one day...
If you aren't healing in lower level dungeons it means the tank isn't pulling enough.
2:14 - what is this? 😅
As a main healer from ARR I totally agree with your take on this. I still play healer, cos well you said it in the video lol.
I do enjoy healing in harder content but other than that, I can easily start falling asleep. I enjoy it though because I have fast reactions, when shit hits the fan then things actually start to get fun. I love popping off with fast reaction times but we definitely need some TLC…
I’ve often thought about them reducing the healers in 8 man content to just 1. I’m not sure how it would work, but one of the other times I have a lot of fun is when solo healing.
They should turn some gcd heals into ogcd, and give healers a mini damage rotation or something. The game is balanced around dealing damage all the time, but healers are the only role that has 1 button to press,
Welcome to Scholar, pre-Shadowbringers, which has a DPS rotation with Shadow Flare. The devs figured we didn't need it 😂
You're two expansions too late my friend.
SCH in StormBlood was exactly what you're asking for.
They have that already
I dropped healing after Shb. Shit's boring and unrewarding. All healers are now 2 button classes and with 20 different flavors of healing.
Spoken like a true casual
I have the feeling that we're heading into spamming one ability to do damage look at the Whitemage's Glare Spam and Samurai without Kaiten is just Spamming Shinten like a Bitch
This last tier has certainly forced all players to use their mitigation, yes that means you too dps
ME a TERMINALLY WHM player: Just give me an AOE DOT, Give me Aero 3 again please for the love of Halone!
Honestly, I’m not sure how that’ll solve anything party wise.
You do two DoTs every 30 sec on bosses. Or you press it once on W2W, and continue to lay down Día/Aero just like before, 3x Holy, and pray the group and tank were competent enough to finish the fight.
As a tank main, I like that healing in this game is accessible enough that even a lobotomized patient can do it. But its very sad that so many people are shit at healing.
Have you tried improving yourself at tank? I've yet to run into many awful healers when I'm off my role but I do know plenty of random tanks who barely cycle mitigations for w2ws.
I also don't get why you insult the role, it takes a good bit of experience to heal well and the game does not explain weaving to you at all. That's normally the biggest first step to more advanced healing.
@elgatochurro Did you not watch the video or are you just coping? Yeah, bad tanks exist, and a good healer cant fix a bad tank, but that changes nothing about what I said. Healer is still braindead easy, and that so many of them still manage to be bad at it is astounding, but that has only made me improve my tanking to compensate. (Also, I didnt insult the role, I just said it was easy, and that a lot of players still manage to fail miserably, especially mentors.)
@@Nightly- yes I'm totally coping because I didn't watch the 1000th "DPS take on healers" video...
a good healer CAN fix a bad tank... ive done it even as sage, difficult as it was.
Healer is NOT braindead easy, especially compared to tanks and most dps which follow a 1, 2, 3 rotation... youre gonna tell me thats some advanced mechanics? they even light it up for you like its for a child.
"so many manage to be bad" again, sounds like a you problem. Ive not had that experience as blk or tank, and ive been playing a lot of tank this year.
you called it BRAINDEAD you forgetful novice
@elgatochurro ...hold on. Are you actually trying to argue that healing is HARDER than tanking? Literally, the role that brings the most anxiety and has even more people who cant/wont play them?? And also, I didnt call it braindead in my original post, what I was referencing, but being braindead easy is somehow an insult and not me stating how ACTUALLY TOTALLY EASY IT IS TO HEAL IN THIS GAME? Please dont tell me you're a mentor too...
@@Nightly- Tanks: Tank stance activated, aoe enemies and move, stop pull and use resistances. use ranged ability to keep/grab aggro
It feels pretty easy yeah, easier than trying to keep a tank alive. sorta why I dont touch it too much.
Im not a Mentor, but I should be one. I plan on it and do good things for the community, especially new players.
yknow unlike going "omg, the role you can mess up the most by not knowing your class intimately is easy, braindead easy"
I mean seriously, if they are going to make healers so simplistic, the least they could do is turn them into green dps and give them a 3 button damaging rotation and some damage ogcds
Don't really need that, there's also plenty of complexity for healer if you EVER PLAYED IT I feel.
A 3 button whatever will just be redundant and take more space on my cluttered hud. It's not difficult or engaging.
@@elgatochurro correct, but because there is so much save or suck in ff14, healing most of the time devolves into healing some people who got hit by something or healing the tank occasionally. And I know a 3 button rotation isn’t exactly the most engaging thing on the planet but it’s certainly better than a 1 button rotation.
@@jkdragonjk6895 it's redundant is what it is, it won't do much for you once that nuance is gone with familiarity.
Overall everyone around here seems to not be a healer in the first place.
People in the comments lack info on the healers abilities and weaving combos, just point to the fact they're a bit more homogeneous now and cry that they're boring now as if the past was some glory and there was no trade offs, only nerfs for your precious scholar.
The tragedy of healers in FFXIV:
Your reward for mastering your class, knowing your abilities, making good efficient use of your skill set and understanding the encounters you're in is pressing one button over and over again and refreshing a DoT.
And these aren't deep skill sets with complex internal mechanics. Oh no, they are as shallow as they get.
I take it you don't heal much so you?
Bring back Cleric Stance, you cowards.
If u Whm u have barely zero to no excuses for letting ppl die. I learned that the hard way...😅
ah yes remind me when i play with sprout with barely knowledge of tanking, i spam healing like bot spam ads
I play Tank and DPS so I can't relate. Unless you want me to go off about idiots I have to deal with as a tank. Cause I can.
I dont know how healers in this game cope with the really bad delay.
What?
@@elgatochurro I dont know how healers in this game cope with the really bad delay.
I thought you played Dragoon now
I hate the TH-cam algorithm
I just go around saying gitgud even to myself lmao.
The real healer nightmare is when you are tanking the Dead Ends dungeon, get to the first boss, and the healer won't use esuna... So, you wipe several times on the first boss before rage quitting. Because pressing esuna is TOO DAMN HARD. Come on, man!
or do the mechanic correctly and dont get afflicted with doom.
@@tactichloe You go tell that to everybody currently playing the game. Or you could take a second and press esuna. It's not that difficult to press a button.
@@kaelothsgaming8199 Its not like I'm letting people who get hit by it die lol. I'm just saying it's avoidable damage.
@@tactichloe You might not be, but other healers have. It's frustrating when your healer and dps get hit, but the healer won't press esuna.
I like it, feels chill. Not a ridiculous button mash of 5% heals like in wow XD
4:59 I don't think it was that bad when palying anythign else that isnt whm x'D Atleast not that painful
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dear Yoshi P please give healera actual identities. and just fully overhaul healing. stop being scared and just do something new. its your game, take a risk and make something great. you know like how you fixed 1.0
They seriously need to drop the shield/pure healer dichotomy.
We still have 3 healers: lazy healer, ADHD healer, and raider/“true” raider healer.
This is not a game for people who like healing. Do what I did and play other games. I learned after two years they will never fix the problem because their game is popular. I can't wait for Ashes and Throne/LIberty is coming up soon. If you heal FF14 is not for you unless you like spamming one button for ninety levels.
So much soy...
Wow, that's so typical of this game though. I'm new to the game, and so far all I've seen is the same quality everywhere else. The only thing people lord about thi sgame is the story, and fuck no I skipped all that, no thanks, garbage
Personally I've never had an issue with the "Boring" rotation, maybe it's just me but I kinda felt like the complaint was mostly from people who just enjoy things being more difficult to do. I think the current rotation is fine and more easily allows for me to switch from damage to healing at the drop of a hat, I won't have to worry about my combo or rotation so to speak being ruined, especially when I have either newbies or people who actively choose not to play properly. To me it always minds cams off the same way as people complaining about holding aggro as a tank being too easy and I say this as someone who has played since Beta back when playing all these jobs were in fact harder to do and we still had attribute points to worry about, back when Cleric Stance was a thing and we and Lucid Dreaming was still call Shroud of saints when Eos and Selene actually had different abilities and the Astrolgian cards weren't basically all the same. Am I saying there are more issues? No oc course there are but I personally don't think the rotation is one of them.
Personally, I love being a healer and my biggest issue being a healer is head-headed players that like to blame me for doing the dumb thing they know they shouldn't/can't do then are surprised when the obvious dumb thing goes poorly.
As an ex Healer main I don't want complexity for the sake of complexity. Anyone that says the issue with healers is that it's too simple aren't using the right words.
The issue with healers is a lack of agency. Bosses have heal checks so you only heal when the boss tells you to, a tank is about to eat a TB (or a tank just ate a TB), and/or someone messed up a mechanic. When you aren't healing because the game told you to, you're keeping up your DoT and your spamming one GCD, occasionally weaving in other things during DPS burst windows.
DPS gets to choose if they are melee, ranged, or caster and what kind of rotation they want. Even tanks have some variations on rotation and mitigation (blocking vs more passive healing). Healers are the only role where all of them play the same and give the player no ability to express themselves except by playing sub-optimally.
Healers are THE flowchart role of the game.
Healing is harder than tank and most DPS.
@@CivilChevthey do not play the same... What garbage to spout...
You're honestly telling me the same who works all about their shield statuses and dps to heal play the same as whm with their heavy hitting refills?
The only thing so similar would just be their damage options
Sch, sage, astro, whm play very differently if you're not spamming 1 button like a novice healer
@@elgatochurro Yes, each healer has a slightly different way of either doing a single target heal, AoE heal, Regen, or shield.
That doesn't change the fact when a party knows what they are doing and you're only healing raid damage it's really boring.