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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 มี.ค. 2023
- Why does everyone hate Sombra in Overwatch 2? To find out, I spent one week learning her, including with coaching from Fitzyhere, the #1 Sombra streamer!
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This is what I wanted.
You should learn moira, and see if Arx_UK could coach you.
I have 205hrs on sombra currently. solo queued since OW release. Your junkertown day7 experience, youll still be blamed for playing sombra. because the other people on your team dont even have your day 1-4 experience before fitzy taught you some of the basics
Great job learning so quickly!
It was all thanks to my teacher! 😈
Love your style of play Fitzy ggs
Fitzy looks exactly like how I imagine every sombra otp looks like
Dont tell me you main sombra 😔
@@averageminerenjoyer1438 He has done that for many years
Fitzy's greatest thing is his understanding of timing in relation to the WHOLE battlefield... I need to watch him more.
sombra is the epitome of "when you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
this!!! yes so true! there's been games where the name team didn't have any help on healing due to my recon and killing of supports--and we lost with them asking, "what are you doing?!" :|
felt this in my soul
Bass players
@@thebluecomet3974 literally this
Yeah a good sombra carries without your team even noticing
When people say “switch to someone that does more damage” they don’t understand the role of Sombra. She’s the mind game hero. She’s the distraction and that’s so valuable.
sometimes the mind game hero needs to actually help the team
@@hongomybongo9684 it's a delicate mix. Sometimes simpy using the boop voice line is more valuable than shooting. Or any voice line but ult charge.
@@hongomybongo9684 mad 😂
@Christina Azarian maybe It’s because I’m gold, but in my experience damage doesn’t even matter that much, it’s more about the kills, and even then a good amount of the time the scoreboard isn’t entirely accurate to who’s contributing a lot to a game
She isnt really made to be someone that gets all the big damage, shes made to be the one to pick of the squishes and low HP targets running
I've learned a ton from just watching Fitzy. Sombra has so many things she has to be doing all the time and they're often not at all obvious to your team or your enemies. So fun and so misunderstood.
You’re a bum who can’t aim or play the game, so you resort to sombra
I understand she is hard from when I played her, at her best she is still annoying, the whole get out of any fight instantly thing is what always gets me. Sombra just ... wont ... die.......
But neither will you if you pressure well enough
@@Doost311You say that, but forcing Sombra to translocate out makes her value dwindle drastically. Essentially you’re making that fight into a 5v4. People seem to forget how easily you can negate her effects. She has the lowest damage compared to all DPS. As long as you stick together and are aware then that’s when she loses her value, also she has so many counter picks that negate her altogether. One shot heroes like hanzo, junkrat and torb easily make her useless altogether. A good Sombra which is rare will try to adapt, but even so she’s still not good. She requires great timing and coordination from her team to do follow ups.
@@ibonnieth2306 Targets she hacks take 187 DPS, Echo gets by with much less... She isn't a 150 health champ like tracer, she actually has a normal health pool, so just like any other dive champ she has to be playing it correctly, you shouldn't be translocating a mile away, you should be going back to the medkit a room over. These aren't complex or high skill concepts... She also has an amazing ulti, so there is that as well
I think Sombra's "irritation" factor is actually one of her biggest advantages. If you annoy the enemy team sufficiently, they might be tempted to overplay you to the point where your existence alone is forcing 1-2 heroes off the team fight for the duration of the match. The problem, as you mentioned, is while you'd expect your team to roll a 4 v 3 every time, should they fail to do so there's very little you can do about it
her "irritation" factor also ruins solo gameplay. She annoys more than anything and just feels like a troll character when trying to play this team shooter. Switched to Destiny a few times because she was ruining the game.
@@Triforcebro get better
@@Triforcebro ruins solo gameplay... this team shooter...
what solo play?
@@Triforcebro Skill issue lil bro get good I guess
That comments from 7 months ago. Keep up son.@@MrAnnoyeedd
She’s one of those heroes that needs to be used when you have a group of friends playing
Preferably one that can hear you. I didn't do too bad when I was playing as her in a 4 stack.
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i play her with randoms and carry tf outta them and they always complain or want me to switch regardless of if i play good or not. I had games with like 40 and 50 kills and they still tell me to switch because they dont know how important it is to keep bullshit turrets and hack healers/tanks so they can make it easier to kill them, its because she requires a brain to play and not a “meta” pick like broken ass soujorn or genji or reaper
@@mibbzx1493 I love hacking ults and hearing them bitch in chat
@@mibbzx1493 reaper ain't broken tf
Your “learn in 10 days” videos are actually good, some people just do click bait. I learned something new from yours
fitzy is crazy good at what he does.
his aim fluctuates between good and bad, but his game knowledge and sense is by far the best in the game. there are days where he has aim so bad it makes mine look good, but his knowledge and game sense carries him HARD. he shotcalls the exact moment when something is going to happen, and its nuts how he can notice every small detail the moment its about to happen in a game. he's at his scariest when he is actually warmed up and his tracking matches dafran at his prime.
and he's one of the most chill people too. he's not some sweaty tryhard. and even if his team is bad he is always so positive. even when im not playing sombra i watch him just because its a chill place to be. he taught me the most important life lesson...you see a zenyatta...its time to spawn camp.
I die to zen as sombra
@@emma6648 bro😢
@@emma6648 happens
I refuse to heal anyone spawn camping as I fuking hate getting spawn camped. It makes the game no fun for anyone.
@@Gr3nadgr3gory u know that there is supports that can handle it, right? Even though it means that you are going to switch hero, its not like im not going to change my reaper, if phara is a big problem for my team. Overwatch is the game when sometimes you need change your entire gameplay by picking someone else
Doomfist would be one of the most interesting characters you could learn in full due to how much tech he has, and how complicated his playstyle is as a whole compared to the other tanks barring Hammy. I think it would be a great learning opportunity for both you and your viewers, especially us, given there isn't a whole lot of tankfist educational content out there outside of Get Quaked On.
They literally took 80% of his techs away after beta. DPS doom had 4x as many techs as tank
They literally took 80% of his techs away after beta. DPS doom had 4x as many techs as tank
@@nickkelly3199 They literally took 80% of his techs away after beta. DPS doom had 4x as many techs as tank
@@purplewine7362 They literally took 80% of his techs away after beta. DPS doom had 4x as many techs as tank
Ok this probably wasn't intended by Blizzard but this high end playstyle of Sombra fits her character extremely well. Like when she played all sides in the original cinematic of hers. I always had a softspot for Sombra (even though I suffered under her as a squishy little support main) but now it even increased.
Your statement around 2:46 is very good and honestly reminded me of the spy from TF2. Sombra has a lot more to offer than the spy but in TF2 you're better off choosing the Sniper in almost all scenarios.
Yeah, that's because snipers in TF2 are never anywhere near their team and have one shot potential on all characters. OW players should feel lucky she doesn't have an insta kill button like spy.
I used to main Sombra in OW1. Like her OG form. I would constantly tell my team I had EMP and was going to use it in an important team fight. But every time I did use it, my team would sort of stop trying hard. They would stop shooting. Run away. Not use their own ultimates with it….even though it would be the team fight we would need to win.
I can't tell you how many times I try to get my team to run in with a boost as lucio and they fucking run away, leaving me to get absolutely destroyed buy the enemy team. It's the main reason I tend to play counter games with it.
@@Gr3nadgr3gory That is one of the reasons I like to play Moira. Sure, the other supports have better utility, but if your team is unable to use that utility, it is pointless. (Window, Kitsune, Immortality, Speed Boost, Damage Boost, Discord. Nade, etc) Moira’s damage utility is better in those cases.
No wonder why I thought Sombra was so “hard” for me. Usually I can learn new heroes and become good and earn POTG, but Sombra is one of those that you can only get damage out of her if your team knows what they’re doing. Turns out you just have to be lucky and have a good team that know how Sombra works. I’ve spent several hours learning her, and it’s really just hit or miss. You won’t guess how many times healers just completely ignore you and won’t heal you. Relying on health packs is time consuming. When you use her EMP, people don’t even jump in and help finish them up. They just walk away or disappear from view. Then they start blaming you for not doing “enough” damage and they tell you to switch. It’s almost like you’re by yourself when playing Sombra. She’s only good, when the team is good.
This is why I think it’s dumb when people say Sombra is an easy pick. She is not the most mechanically-demanding hero, but she is one of the most strategic. To be good on Sombra, you HAVE to have a game plan and track everyone’s resources. That being said, it’s possible to solo climb with her, but it’s not easy. To get the absolute most out of her, you need to have a team that can communicate and follow up on your plays.
Echo or Pharah would be an interesting hero to learn together. The flying projectile heroes have unique playstyles
I remember he definitely did echo on stream. Not sure if there's a dedicated video out there on it.
doomfist
@@cawfatty3136 yup
I play a lot of echo and she is crazy fun. I definitely recommend giving her a go
@@maxpennacchini3261 Echo ist best
Your video has helped me immensely. That you include perspective from the people coaching you helps to understand just what each hero is supposed to be doing, and that is mightily enlightening. I'm grateful for your learning series. You're a much bigger help to the community than you may have realized.
The thing about spawn camping is that it's only good if there's nothing better to do (like your team lost a scrappy fight and are resetting) because the player walking back from spawn is already not in the fight. Essentially it's a 4v4 on point and hoping they win without you. It's a dice roll.
As a Sombra player - im glad you understand the pain of playing her
See thats the funny thing Sombra can be just as painful to play as to play against.
Shut ur mouth
Let sombra suffer
GOD THE FEELING OF HOLYSHIT, I JUST KILLED THEIR SUPPORT THREE TIMES IN A ROW + THE OTHER SUPPORT IS BACK HERE AND YA'LL STILL CAN'T WIN THE FIGHT?
Yeah it sucks that people don’t understand how tactic and strategic you have to be playing as her. Depending on the enemy comp or how competent their team is you have to shift priorities and you need to do it quickly. Your spatial perception needs to be at an all time high in order to get value off of her and lastly you need to be patient and well coordinated with your team when you decide to strike. She’s really one of the highest skill cap heroes in my experience along with ball.
I hate when people are so negative and toxic towards me but I guess it means I’m doing my job right lol, but sometimes it gets to me like “do they not understand? “
Fitzy is goated
The biggest problem with niche DPS like Sombra in Overwatch is that there's only two DPS, and if they're also playing a janky character, or asleep at the wheel, or AFK, or trolling... your pushes just grind to a halt. So there's some characters who work okay in coordinated team play, but you're just asking for miserable matches if you regularly pick them in solo queue.
Sombra is litterally the spy from team fortress 2 but worse and way more annyoing. In tf2 its actually ok to have a spy on your team because you have like 10 vs 10 players and not only 2 dps
glad to see you continue this series! i think seeing a support for next video like brig or bap would be cool
I've watched a lot of fitzy to learn how he plays but I think I learned more from those short clips of his coaching than all the hours of streaming. I'll have to watch the vod of this coaching on his channel.
but girls dont like fitzy tho, cauz they dont play sombra
Gonna go back and watch that yeatle ball video after enjoying this one so much. This is my favorite content you’ve produced it’s just so fun to watch fast improvement with great coaching especially when you know the streamer
As a collecter of terrible teams, i feel your pain so much, i sat at the enemy spawn as orisa for a SOLID minute (by some miracle) holding ALL OF THE ENEMIES BACK, and my team was dead.
Exept for the sombra, she was hacking a health pack as i died.
Love this, SVB. I hope you will do more of these!
I thought I saw this in my recommendations while I was at work yesterday but then I couldn't find it when I got home and I thought I was going crazy or I thought I mistook a a Twitch Notification as a TH-cam notification or something, I was so confused.
I'm so glad you did this. I'm also so happy you Enjoyed it ! I wish everyone could appreciate how bigbrain Fitzy is on Sombra. I'd put his strategic mind up there with Seagull, mL7, Yeattle, Kephrii and Bogur. It's not just mechanical skill, they have a working knowledge of the game and know how to apply that practically.
I was a Sombra main back in OW1 (I haven't played much since Role Lock and I don't like how Sombra plays in OW2) and being part of the Super Secret Sombra Squad did indeed make me feel like I was playing Chess or Starcraft as the Master Commander of Armies while everyone else was playing foot soldiers, I felt so smart... but yeah unless you're playing with friends or you're playing in an Elo or in a Region where Everyone knows you (As that One and Only Sombra Main with 700 Hours on the Australian East Coast between 10pm and 2am) it's pretty hard to get good team synergy and value.
Love this series man, really cool to see Fitzy too!
I’d love to see this style of video with Echo :) she’s so fun, and there’s lots of cool stuff you can do with her. She’s also got a pretty unique playstyle being an aerial assassin.
These are awesome SVB! Quality content that can teach even veterans a little somethin extra
I love this format! How about trying Pharah next?
This is why I fucking love sombra and am so worried about the upcoming Sombra rework.
Exactly. The character is my favorite by far to play and I am worried she's just going to be turned into Sombra 76 or something.
@GinMartini if they do anything other than revert her to one of her OW1 styles they're just going to remove the "sneaky motherfucker" aspect of her kit which is the best part of her. They need to be very careful with this "rework."
It’s pretty dumb tbh, she should honestly be kept the way she is. Not op but annoying if your good with her.
@@greenpig1175 yes, I would be good with this!
I started to play Overwatch just since 4moths 😊so it's nice to see that are such a good people who accept to help you and advice you, I am glad that some people are not toxic just because they are profi now.All respect for both of you👏❤❤
when i'm playing brig, i love having a sombra on my team for some reason. i've had good ones who look out for me or something - they hack someone who's engaging with me/vice-versa and then i pummel them. it's wonderful.
these are my favorite videos from you. I learn so much
This is gold content. Thanks for existing, SVB ❤
Ty for doing this video I’m a sombra main and I keep getting hate and for awhile I thought it was just me but seeing you go through this boosted my morale to keep spawning killing supports!
That actually made me want to play sombra, also motivated by the belief she will counter the new supp. Nice vid !
Sombra main here; I find that just because she doesn't do a lot of damage doesn't mean oyu have to be annoying. Being a good distraction also is helpful in a match and say the enemy team is fighting your team all the way across the map away from the point- you can just go and run to the point to capture it.
My wording was off but i hope you get the picture. Sombra is really fun when you just find your own playstyle, I hope you play her some more!
I love this series, plz learn doomfist or symmetra next, keep up the gr8 content SVB ^-^ 💖
Great video. Love these. I would like to see one for Symetra too
Same
thank you for sharing what you've learned with us , Sombra has been my main dps play since her release because I like her character so much and I can be sneaky picky . playing sombra as I understood with my 70 hrs playtime teach me that you should always communicate with your team to get most value ... and to be honest , it doesn't always work ... they won't listen to you and worst of all the enemy team keeps focusing you so u actually end up doing nothing and hate yourself 😆
Id love to see a Mercy ark, I think it would be really cool to have Mercy streamers like Skiesti and Niandra coach you a couple days each.
Liked the format of this. Sombra is extremely fun to play, and Fitzy is transcendent when it comes to decision making for her.
If you're looking for the next hero I'd suggest Echo. She's a hero anyone not looking to main hitscan should have in their pocket as a Pharah answer. Also really fun to play.
As someone who loves Sombra's kit but was also struggling, my eyes have been opened just like yours!
Great video SVB. I'd really like to see Genji next!
Not only did he help coach u on sombra, but also me and as I watch this video. It made me way better at sombra.
Just started playing the game. (I had OW1 from a friend but I played once and quit), I am coming from valorant where I mained yoru due to how he can outplay a team with mindgames. I think I may have found my main in sombra. Great vid!
Thoughtful storytelling mixed with gameplay mixed with analysis
C'est magnifique! ❤
It’s so nice how bid creators like SVB are helping small creators like Fitzyhere start playing overwatch😊
Always unique original content! You are the best!!
I too have found a new love for sombra from a mercy main to a sombra main ❤️
What's crazy is, I've discovered most of those tips on my own but couldn't use them as well as you or fitsy have, also it's best to have a friend as your other DPS to carry the damage you can't while you pick off the enemy Squishies
Learn Luciooooo!
Loved this, and the coaching stream with Fitzy.
I que with 3 other people and I can tell you,
She gets SO much value with a decent team.
You can call out hacks and reliably either get help for the kill, or get told if you need to back out of the flank and help on main/off point somewhere.
Calling out emp for set up with others ults is way easier knowing they will listen and piggyback off your emp.
I hard com when I play Sombra, and its so satisfying when a plan comes together. One of my greatest frustrations with this game is when people are not in chat and taking advantage of the free value that is coms through the mic.
I loved the editing on this video subbed!
Wow I never imagined the bad team solo queue struggle isn't specific to gold and platinum ranks, I'll probably try to only play comp with friends from now on. AMAZING video by the way, never ceases to impress me how even the most underrated characters can be so strong when used right. Thanks
This motivated me to try and learn to play sombra ☠️ she’s one of those characters where I just don’t play cuz I tried it out few times and just didn’t like the play style. But I’ve changed my mind now 👀
Love how you got flamed so bad for playing Ball you went..... let's do it again, lol. Thanks, both enjoyed and learned a lot from these.
I watched the Streams with Fitzy and highly enjoyed the content since it was very educational (He tells you what you should do and WHY you should do it).
I liked the Hands On experience very much. Fitzy is playing 69D Chess xD
Fitzy is the real-life Mei. Very nice person to talk to, the Devil on the Battlefield xD
litterally had just picked sombra and my team started flaming me. We lost one teamfight and they blabbed in open chat that I was "the worst player ever" and "throwing." I ended up backcapping on attack and carrying the defense with twice the other dps kills. my team actually cheered when I backcapped and yelled "c9" at the opponents but at the end of the game they had not changed their minds about sombra and were claiming they won despite me "doing nothing" all game.
2:07 WHY IS THAT TRANSITION SO DAMN SMOOTH
This good interesting video I'd love to see you do Mercy next. I feel like there are a lot if misconceptions about the hero
Amazing video as always!
Really great video and series
This thumbnail is S-tier. I stared at it for like 5 minutes lol nicely done
Sombra main here - being able to spam voicelines while invisible is fun af. Especially lines like "you're not alone in here" are just *chef's kiss*
Sombra can be tremendously fun to play. The problem is that the majority of her input is in disruption - creating opportunities for your team to push and mitigating failure. As someone who plays solo most of the time (and Quick Play at that), people generally just don't do a lot of that. Most of the "good on a team" characters in Overwatch have suffered from the beginning. They've been reworked and redesigned over and over again, slowly stripping their team dependence. Sombra, it seems, is next in line.
Personally, I find that Overwatch is a bit too fast and a bit too chaotic to really offer much in the way of complex "strats". Sure, high-level players playing together can do amazing things. Characters who only work in those situations, though, are out of reach for most of us.
AMAZING VID! AND we get to see the teaching side for FREE You're an angel man I'm watchin you more fr
Was a nice video, i'd love to see a trob/sym or zen/bap
Ah, SVB said the famous words I said years ago. "I do not want to hard lock Sombra anymore."
Here I am, 7 years later, still playing Sombra.
Gotta love the Zelda n Chill background music
"Yesss... YESSSS FEED ME YOUR HATE" I love that. I need that in my life
Now i understand sombra ! Hope you'll do a ramattra video
Wow there's so much more to her playstyle than I knew :o also man I gotta check out Fitzy's channel too, sounds v interesting
We need an SVB Ball Video, everyone says he’s OP but you really have to know how to play him to get real value
I was a Sombra main for a majority of my time on Overwatch 1 but when 2 came I noticed a major difference like how the enemy still had their abilities even after hacking
my fav thing is her highlight intro it's just the best
I used to hack healthpacks a lot, but after a while I just stopped doing it to try to use the translocator for repositioning and other stuff like that. I’ll try to start hacking healthpacks again after watching this video
Zenyata could be a next interesting hero to learn. After her small nerf about her passive healing I am curious of how to play her optimal
The best games I've had with playing sombra was when I had a pocket mercy for about 5 comp games and we won them all. Best feeling but then everyone left when we lost one very close game.
Went to train with sombra in QP after this video. I'm so god awful it's roguh to get any value at my skill level but it's helping me learn the game.
Excellent video, do brig or widow next?
Love this series
I love sombra. She's my main and she's by far my favorite character. I don't see the hate she gets. Even when I am not playing her and come up against one I find it as a good challenge to learn what exactly works best against her
Edit: I'm gonna add that playing sombra has single handedly increased my game knowledge and movement skills for other characters, especially the flankers and ones with unique mobility aspects like Widow or the Shamada trio. I found that cool when you mentioned that the coach was calling out a million things at once because I kinda have a similar thought process while I'm playing. I feel like I am fully aware of most of, if not, everything that goes on during a match. Even to the point of where my friends are asking me if certain ultimates have gone off yet
Learn Echo, I main Echo and I also main Mercy and Dva, even tho learning Mercy was incredibly fun I really REALLY enjoyed learing Echo, just something about her kit is so fun I even have fun just brainlessly playing her in the practice range, I love her!!
OK, but her J-bait Hack highlight intro can be the cherry on the cake sometimes 😂
I was gonna say you earned a sub.... but I'm already subbed
I started playing sombra for during the Halloween event, most entertaining 4 weeks of overwatch ever
Sombra has been my dps main since her launch. She is incredibly team oriented, communication is absolutely key, and she requires you to stay on top of just about every thing going on. OW2 has helped alot with the ping system, but i do understand her damage output isn’t as huge.
this was a real wholesome video
I'm switching between Junkrat and sombra and its unbelievable how different it is to play them, yea ppl hate Junkrat and when I get potg is always the Soldier or bastion players who start yelling at me but if I have a low damage is really rare to get hate unless its a bad game and everyone hates each other for no reason but when i play Sombra every second game they ask me to pick bastion and i feel like I'm being watched under a 9 microscopes, one mistake and everything is immediately my fault, its crazy
The big brain plays are amazing lol the Reinhardt camping the translocator....
Svb genji would be cool. I don't play that character but could see you learning and crushing with him.
I think learning how to play Brig properly would be interesting as she has a lot of potential for damage, healing and mitigation. If you learnt her well I think you'd defiantly enjoy playing her
Great video. Learned a ton even if I still hate sombra, lol.
I recently have been playing sombra and the absolute JOY i feel when I see a isolated widowmaker/mercy because I know I can ruin their day
2:16 This is one thing I hella agree, just having to hack only 1 thing and nothing else ain't fun. Just like how some people tell Junkrat players to just spam and hope for the best while also blaming them for being skilless when there are many ways to play him.
if your team flames you as sombra never forget: the biggest compliments for your sombra play dont come from your team praising you,they come from the enemy hating you. the biggest compliment i ever got was from one enemy saying "how is your sombra everywhere" =D that made my day