@@anon_laughing_man Apparently, it's also deleting comments. It sent the alert from you as a response, but our original comments aren't showing up before yours.
BCM is my benchmark. It’s right where $, quality and performance all fall into line. For each $1 spent above the price of a BCM you might get $0.25 increase in quality and/or performance. IMHO
I bought a triarc as a post deployment gift to myself right before the events of 2020. It was pricey ($2200) Great gun though. Bought a BCM more recently as my second AR. Gotta say, I like the BCM better and it was maybe $1100 after I took advantage of a sale. The law of diminishing returns is very real in the world of ARs
They are excellent, but their barrels are a step down from DD. Only reason I bought a DD agter I had a bcm was for their barrel, got the ddm4v7 lw and it's noticeably more accurate than the BCM barrel in my recce 16 kmr-a
100% agree. Best I could get out of my BCM was 1.30” MOA off a very solid bench setup. And a PA GLX LPVO optic. It’s a thin barrel and hates suppressor heat also. Therefore, to make the rifle perfect (to me) the barrel will get swapped to something heavier.
@@xxdizannyxxI appreciate you purchasing the best equipment you can, there’s just nothing to actually back up the claim that DD barrels are better. No statistics, no objective metrics to go off of. Just anecdotally fallacious testimonials. At the end of the day, both companies are battle proven and their barrels will last at least 15k-20k rounds before you start to see diminished accuracy
@@scott2228I’m guessing you have the enhanced light weight barrel. BCM doesn’t recommend running a suppressor through those. The MK2 with the standard BFH barrel runs like a dream suppressed, but that’s what it’s designed for
Windham is slept on because they are pretty small and build extreamly basic rifles. But they build them extreamly well, with each part inspected and assembled by people who are highly skilled and not over worked. They trade flash for function, quality, and proper specs.
I bought an Aero upper and had buyers remorse when I received it due to the barrel not having a drilled gas port (bolt-action). They did fix it, and now I enjoy it quite a bit, but you shouldn't receive a barrel with no gas port. Thankfully I knew about their BCG issues so I had a Microbest at the ready.
think about the fact that someone installed the gas block onto the barrel and didnt notice the missing gas port! how do they even make sure they are lined up correctly.....
I had issues with an Aero upper. I contacted customer service, sent videos of the issue and.... they ghosted me. But according to the comments section, it was a me problem obviously ;)
The one lower I received that was blemmed while paying for a non blem was immediately RMA’d…I guess your mileage may vary….if you didn’t use Their support center that will Slow things down
@@przemekchmielewski2137exactly.. The U.S. Military uses these weapons for a reason. This idea that “mil-spec” is trash is crazy…. Also if you haven’t produced weapons for the military you shouldn’t be allowed to call your equipment “mil-spec”..
If they put a different trigger people would complain about the unnecessary added price, and you'll never get the right aftermarket trigger in that rifle to appease everyone.
Value absolutely should be part of these kinds of conversation because it's something that kept coming up - for example, you were saying about DD vs BCM where DD is slightly better than BCM but also costs 50% more, which almost certainly pushes BCM above DD.
The last post John Noveske made was about how every mass shooter has been on some form of prescription antidepressant. Noveske quality used to be damn near S+ and after he passed it has seemed to slip down pretty hard. The infidel was the first 13.7 rifle I saw over a decade ago, before every other company went there. I wouldn’t pay $400 plus ever again since Johns passing. My geissele’s and bcm rifles are still my favorites. I’ve had every worth while brand on this list minus the lower end ones and KAC. First was old school bushmaster over 20 years ago but back then it was pretty much just colt and bushy. I’ve never experienced the DI LWRC but there IC SPR in 14.7”. That’s was when LWRC went after Sig lol. Funny to see how much has changed in this market
Sadly, I have just over $2K in a Radian Model 1, and it's the most accurate, softest shooting, tight-fitting AR-15 that I have ever shot. Otherwise, there are options that are less expensive.
I got a psa upper during covid and have about a thousand rounds through it over the past 4 years with no issues. I would gladly buy another upper from them again, and if I have to give it a look over I’ll chalk it up to a learning experience. I like to tinker. I have heard the horror stories of their qc though, so I like to think I’m not walking into it blind. That said, I also wouldn’t mind getting an upper from BCM or focus.
I have thr ruger AR-556 I've shot 3k rounds and only 1 malfunction because at the time i didn't know how dirty steel cased ammo was and didn't clean it so it got a bit gummed up but after cleaning it cointies to work fine . So thats mostly just my fault.
I had a '15-'16 production AR556 that went as long as the barrel went... somewhere around 16k rounds the rifling gave up the ghost. The rifle worked great, actually. For $600 it was a great rifle... that upper is a .350L now, just cuz.
@bobrowley4346 16k rounds is quite a bit actually. I think s&w and Ruger make good starter rifles. I plan on getting a bcm upper too because those are very reliable and last even longer.
@@markanthonypar-wise1499 Yessir, after the rifling went I purchased a complete BCM upper and those two halves have been together since '18, I think. The Ruger BCG is still in use with the .350L, btw, with me never having replaced a part in it... Ruger, apparently, makes or buys quality BCGs. Edit: the majority of those ~ 16k rounds were steel case, too.
I think Geissele gets so much hate because of bill’s weirdness, and how pricy the ssa is. I think Geissele was well placed. On a side note how often do you see full rifles from companies like KAC, LWRC, Larue, or Radian? I hear about them a lot online but I don’t think I’ve seen a single one in person. I’m slightly convinced that they only exist online for people to argue about on ig.
Fairly often what you’ll see with people trying to “save money by building themselves” is that, with all the extra money people spend on upgrading their mid tier rifles, they could have just saved that money up, gotten something significantly better straight from the factory, and have a lil money left over
I would very strongly disagree if the builder is competent. Instead of "upgrading", simply build from good parts from the start and the potential for a better kit is there. The determining factor is the builder. If the builder can competently source good parts, and can follow basic build procedures; then the possibility for building a good kit AND saving money is very possible. The truth is that most that build their own rifles make mistakes, or don't put in the effort to find good parts for sale. On top of that, many are unwilling or unable to improve. I wouldn't let those people be the standard of comparison though. It hardly represents the capabilities of those in the gunsmithing trade.
@@TheColosiss oh yeh sorry, I realized I left out a couple words in my original comment that make it unclear what I'm talking about. Yeh I'm specifically talking doubling up the number of parts you get instead of just building with a vision and high level criteria in the beginning. If you are patient and wait for opportunities to get the parts you want at a good price, and you get it all together at once, then yeah you can save significant money
Yep, I did this with my bmx…. Bought a mid tier Sunday and put a bunch of top-tier parts on it, but now I have a bike that cost more than the nicest bike they sell and is still lacking the benefits of the frame from their nicer bike and the set of wheels on their nicer bike.
Your thumb nail almost had me about to loose my shit over LWRC..LOL..also I'd rather have over gas then a rifle that cant shoot through tough elements. But that's me
Im not understanding your explanation on the LWRC, you said Geissele is S tier and LWRC is not, but Geissele rifles are over-gassed more then the LWRC. I own both, once my super duty barrel gets hot that group opens up, My LWRC gets hot the group stays alot tighter, and the reason being is the heavy barrel. If a smaller contour barrel gets hot, the group opens up, if a heavy barrel gets hot thats built of quality, the heavy barrel hold groups better. Does my Geissele run like a well oiled machine absolutely, but i hold a 3oc pattern with my LWRC with zero malfunctions, my super duty is 2oc with 3 or 4 stoppages, PMC runs fine in my LWRC, run it through my Super Duty and every now and then she gets a bit unhappy with the PMC. I guess its pretty much preference. Good vid.
I'm the opposite, my Geissele is gassier then my LWRC, cold bore my Geissele is a touch more accurate, after about 2 or 3 mags, my LWRC is a lot more accurate.
My favorite AR15 company is Sionics. The only thing they make is their barrels. Very accurate barrels. I have 5 samples that are all MOA or better with good match ammo. Both chrome and QPQ. They source their uppers and lowers from Mega/Zev. Like others do. Their BCG's are NP3 coated. And they are completley vetted. A ton of departments use them as patrol rifles.
I believe primary arms literally a wek ago had some Luna Black Superduty rifles in 16" for like 1252$...sadly I was late to the party, they were sold out
@@ReticentIndignation Eh, I just ordered my first from Munition Works. A J.O.E. with a special request of putting a Centurion CHF barrel in it. Dane has been super helpful. Including a discount it was only $1,155!
@@karlchristie1856 RIght on, custom put together is preferable in my opinion. I did buy a Superduty for well under MSRP and I was honestly underwhelmed as the quality wasn't 'perfect.' Not a bad gun by any means, just expected more from an MSRP of $2250. I wouldn't do it again...
I guess you're milage may vary, but for me, PSA makes up a large part of my armory. I've put at least a thousand round through each, and I've had issues with only one. Thats of 4 rifles and over a dozen pistols. The issue was an extractor that upon inspection before firing looked good, but sheared after less than a magazines worth of rounds. Contacted PSA and they sent an entire new BCG for me. Next thousand rounds and the gun had only malfunctions relating to me messing with the Adjustable gas block.
Hopefully you get a Type-A and Blackout Defense on the channel in addition to Noveske and Radian. Noveske and Radian are definitely A+ tier. PWS and VSeven definitely need to be on your next list.
Pof-usa does not make them anymore but they used to have a D.I. BCG That was NP3+ coated was a one piece carrier design like LWRCs(w/ built in gas key), had their patented roller cam pin and a NP3+ coated bolt, now that IMO was the best D.I. BCG on the market for a long time. They still make their piston bcg's like that. .......LWRC has a really nice BCG as well tho, I stuck a POF-USA roller cam pin in mine and it really does smooth out the action alittle bit. But the coating lwrc uses is really good, but it is still inferior to the NP3+ Robar coating. Other then that the two are very similar BCGs..... ...As far as the Giessle BCG goes I have no experience with it, but when they say Reliablity Enhanced I don't know what that means other then they put their own type of coating on it. Other then that it looks pretty plain Jane to tell you the truth. Idk, I am not really impressed with Giessle, I think most of their products including their triggers are over hyped. And over priced, and that is from A guy that does not mind spending $2-3k on a gun that is worth it.
@@FocusTripp I don't know about all that, I guess we just gonna have to agree to disagree. I am really convinced there is a brand loyalty Bias in the gun community when it comes to Giessle products. But hey I am sure I have my own biases as well.
Gotta slot JP in. Remember they don't just make gamer rifles. They are responsible for some of the highest end/most accurate large frame ARs, made waves in the SASS program with the RSASS (remington submitted their rifle)/ They have super high quality barrels, thermofit barrel extensions, great triggers, the list goes on. Easy A+
I generally like Aero’s receivers and rail systems, but their barrels and BCGs have been really suspect post-Covid. BCM is my gold-standard for value and milspec essentials. Faxon is considered “budget” but their products have NEVER done me wrong.
My first rifle was a Bushmaster QRC, the pencil barrel and MPI Bcg was incredible considering I paid around 400$ for a complete rifle in 2015. I’ve put around 6k rounds through it and it still has a ways to go. Keep in mind, I’ve replaced everything except the bolt n barrel lol. But I have love for my bushy boy lmao
Primary Arms still ships whatever you need to Washington State. You must affirm a disclaimer before they ship, but they will ship what you need. Just know your State and Local laws and regulations.
@@A-PatrioT not sure. I actually called them and asked about what it is they are willing to ship out. Optics Planet just took a sh!t on us and won't ship anything. I also called my local gun shops and spoke to staff about aspects of our recent AWB. There is much confusion due to vagueness of the law, in terms of our ability to buy PARTS for rifles like the AR15. Basically everyone is using their own discretion in terms of interpreting the law. Some are willing to take the risk of selling parts within the state. Some refuse to chance it, other may provide limited items such as Barrels and Bolt Carrier Groups. Basically anything that is essential to the construction of an AR15 or its derivatives is off the table. Some places will still sell muzzle devices, collapsible stocks, buffer tubes, safeties, pistol grips, charging handles and so on. In other words, many are assuming the "Right to repair", while others simply refuse to take the risk. Speak to your local dealers, then call Primary Arms to see what they can do.
(Look at edit at bottom) No POF-USA??? You got Ruger who just literally copied one of their designs, also YOU talked about PWS yet Pws Copied their anti-tilt buffer tube design from POF-USA as well. You have large well known companies using their designs and parts in their own rifles yet you left them off the list? POF-USA makes one of the Best most robust Piston Ar15s on the market in the P415 Edge and Also one of the Most upgraded D.I. rifles for the money right out of the box with the Renegade Plus. They are AMAZING RIFLES. They have won countless awards. EDIT: Nevermind I see you guys put them in at the end, my apologies. Ok but they are Definitely "S" tier not "A"
My POF 308 piston rifle obsession aside if haha cool components is justification for s tier Luth AR has sears tri burst trigger packs and slick side 601 uppers
Never baught a complete rifle from a single manufacturer. Always source upper lower handguard from Aero, bcg and barrel from others, Magpul furniture, gas block else where too. You can build a great rifle with a pinned adjustable gas block and a great barrel for $1000-1500
Super late to the show but I was surprised to not hear anything about Midwest Industries. I have zero experience with them but they seem to have some really nice rifles. Curious about their reliability and qc
At 13:16, did this man say he threw away the whole upper?? Or the barrel? Or the barrel and the gas block? That should tell you everything you need to know about this guys view on saving money and value
Spikes Tactical has a phenomenal customer service. One of their customer service reps, Katherine assisted me with a special order, a custom complete upper build. We corresponded for about two months. I also shot my ST at the range with my buddies who has PSA and other no name brands, and there was a notable difference with shooting my rifle compared to the others. ST is at least a Sold B.
I don't even think you can realistically put hk on for the 416/417 you'd have to look at the mr556 since that's all that's offered to the civilian market lol
No way in hell would I rate S&W and CMMG ARs as B tier! Maybe C tier, but I’ve experienced and seen QC issues with both. Unless someone has had extensive experience with ALL these brands, it’s not fair to honestly categorize all of them while being unbiased.
And I personally had a DD barrel nut so loose I my 13 year old Daughter could spin it off with her hands and the chrome lining looked like ass. I have also had to send one of my Knights back to them THREE times, yet never had one issue from 4 different S&W's one with over 10,000 rounds and the least shot S&W has 3,800 rounds through it. All companies can and will send out shit, its just what happens when people are in charge of looking over hundreds of thousands of parts. Would I ever sell my 3 Knights AR's? HELL NO!!!!! Would I buy a Daniel Defense again? HELL NO!!!!
I’ve looked into the Zion-15 and see it as a really good entry AR, has everything you want nothing you don’t, but is probably $100 more than it should be, the quality of all the parts is legit when you dig into it
@@FocusTripp thank you for being cool and supporting out 2A rights. PSA and a lot of other company’s flat out won’t anymore because of the “ban”, even if you state it’s for repairs.
I'm currently purchasing my 2nd CMMG, you guy's glossed over it pretty quick. I'm getting the Bass Pro version for 700, seems like a deal. I probably would have looked at Geissele seriously if I had seen this first.
@@TheGrimiest true I do like their lowers but then again a lower is a lower as long as it is to spec. It isn't like barrels and bcg. You just have yo treat them like they are, a parts company. If you buy full gun you basically just disassemble it and rebuild doing your own qc.
@@gator7082 They are fine if you check them over and make sure everything is staked properly and fits etc... Again B is fine for most uses it just isn't up there with LaRue, BCM, knights. I just treat BA or Aero as a parts company if you buy a upper take it apart do your own qc and put it back together with loctite and the correct torque specs. Their lowers and upper receivers are great. I love BA hanson barrels for the money especially on sale or used but basically new. I don't really like their rails they are a little to lightweight (more fore competition) and don't inspire confidence when it comes to durability but they lock up ok and don't rotate. The rest is a wash.
That would actually require LMT/Noveske/LWRC/HK owners to fire more than 50 rounds through them to get data lmfao. I think we accept they are good because it’s been used by the military community to some degree, which is its own fallacy. I’ve seen plenty of end users complain about LMT QC and even seen a Noveske bolt catastrophic failure. Are these lemons or do they make the brands a no go? It seems to be a lot of anecdotes and generalizations
I def agree with the Geissele placement. They are nice. And getting their triggers and reliability enhanced BCGs is huge value added. Most of us put them in our rifles that we buy from anyone else lol. I’d bet 80% of the guys posting here have Geissele triggers in their guns..or wish they did.🤓
Probably S or A tier. ADM, which is A tier, uses Criterion barrels, and I would say Criterion barrels are better than Geisseles and LaRues, which are S tier.
1:13:28 Autistic Radios beef is not a PSA beef its a federal law and State law beef. Federally unable to sell a pistol to out of state, and unable to transfer it to Washington state which is why its a no sell state. Correct you beef sir
I thought the 416 and variants have a firing pin block due to ensuring it passes all drop tests and I think theres a law in Germany that requires some form of firing pin retainer for newly manufactured firearms. Every one of their firearms has something along those lines if not a blatant block it's a retainer of sorts. Maybe theyre just stuck in their ways idk, but IMO I don't think the block is a bad idea, it's kind of nice to know for sure your firearm can't fire if dropped when hot and even Sig must have accepted that view because the MCX has their own firing pin block/retainer.
Curious where Griffin Armament would fall on this list. Their ambi MK2 lower is awesome and affordable. Pretty much identical to the ADM ambi lower at half the price. Plus they make all of their stuff in house. Edit* Just seen where you speak of them pretty much putting them on the same tier as ADM.
Aero is the only bcg I’ve ever had fail without something catastrophic to cause a failure. I had two bolt carriers that kept failing to lock back on a Daniel defense barrel with a non adjustable gas block. These barrels are overgassed and yet these bolts were not cycling. I ended up selling them and deciding never to buy aero again. No issues with their uppers or lowers but I’ll never buy a functional component from them again. Even KAK I’ve never had issues with… but aero failed out of the box.
🎉🎉I know I'm way late to this party but I gotta address these few things; (great video but here comes my dollar and 2 cents) -Colt is only in use currently because of the quality products that were made years ago and have been in stockrooms, cages, and armorys since long before they became the Colt that we are experiencing today. Colt basically was replaced by FN and, hold ur breathe cus this might sting... Remington. The overwhelming majority of m4's produced since 2009 have been by FN and Remington arms while colt has crossed its arms and pouted in the corner cus the govt wouldn't let them be the exclusive manufacturer anymore. They probably would've went full on "omnisport maxx" had CZ not got their hands involved. Personally I loved colt and it's sad that such a quality company fell the way they did but that's another topic all together. -Next, ADM makes phenomenal products but they are not a rifle manufacturer. They are "damned good" builders of duty rated rifles with a semi custom feel. But no matter how good they buildem, they don't manufacture their own rifle. ADM has great qc and obviously care about the quality of the rifles they build and the reputation of the company but the main components are not made by adm. They use criterion barrels, various bcg's, likely bcm springs/hardware, geissele fcg, and surefire muzzle devices. If we're being honest, ADM only makes receiver sets, handguards, and various mounts. Though their lowers are one of, if not the, best on the market. - to qualify as A or S tier the rifle manufacturer should have to meet a few basic requirements. 1st, all rifles should be made on same line. No commercial / military line. If a company separates production lines, its a guarantee the commercial variant is subpar to the other. 2nd, all major components should be produced in house i.e, the bcg, barrel, gas block gas tube, buffer/buffer tube/buffer spring. Small parts and small springs are understandably going to be sourced but the more in-house production the better. It seems that lots of the top tier brands also have proprietary parts in their rifles. I'm sure that has played a role as they need to produce those parts in house or watch the tolerances and qc extremely closely. **simply put, we as consumers need to start holding company's that simply source parts from the cheapest bins only to polish them up and slap a big giant shiny name on them so that they can triple the price for all of us "suckers". BCM, Geissele, KAC, are produced in-house. Heck, even psa produces majority of their AR in-house. Those are just a few but plenty of "your favorite manufacturers " are buying from bcm, from psa, from aero. Just so they can paint it and sell it to you for triple. If you've made it this far, i have to say thanks. I appreciate you taking the time to read my heavily opinionated opinion and to show my gratitude, I'm gonna throw in just a couple more oh-pinny-yawns. *Tippity Topps of the tier with a little bit of bells, whistles, and shit ton of make your battle buddy cream in his string- KAC, LMT, Radian, Noveske, HK **Top Tier, battle proven, operator trusted. No bling but bring the Vaseline cus these things FUK! - BCM, GEISSELE, HK, B&T, DD, ADM, *** tier basic entry level a lil work and these things might make her splash but it's possible the Netflix and chill night you hoped for turns out to be a Netflix and stay the fuk on your side of the couch night - Aero, diamondback, black rain ord, PSA (premium), new colt, Troy, sig sauer m400 (mcx is higher up but needs more time in wild) ,CMMG , solgw, armalite, **** not quite considered a tier. The cheapest guy in the elcheapo groups- BCA, ATI, polymer anything, radical firearms, UTG, strike industries, NC star..
I love Geissele and the REBCG is fantastic. I had one in a custom 13.9 that blew up due to an over pressured round from PMC and not only did Geissele send me a brand new REBCG free of charge despite it not being their fault but also were very responsive and sent me a bunch of swag.
I didn’t watch the entire video. But why do you have Geissele in S-tier, but LMT, LWRC in A-tier? And HK in C-tier? Because they’re expensive or hard to get? These are getting obscure but are all make good rifles. Yes, some aren’t DI AR15s readily available in the US, but if you’re going to include HK and PWS, you might as well include them: Caracal, Haenel, Schmeisser, Sako, B&T, Barrett, and soon Beretta. Also PRI, Sionics, Hodge, and (Canadian) Colt.
Hk rifles for their military contracts might be higher on the list but their civilian rifles cut corners. There's no reason to sell a rifle for those prices with an untreated carbon steel barrel.
@@VoFALT Well my PSA must run too because I had absolutely no malfunctions and could shoot steel case and ever grain. Can't say the same about the Knights
@@SD1Airsoft not really. If your BCG is good what are we really talking about here lol. We weren't going full auto. And the guy said wow PSA has really stepped it up 😒 Dude
The price of the new Aero Alpha Pro rifles blew my mind. $1900? They might be great but for the other established reliable stuff out there, the price is insane. The handguards LOOK sick tho.
They aren't great. The rail itself is fineish in terms of strength and rigidity, but the wedge locks are made out of paper mache. I have had to cut through customers builds after they lock them up and strip them out. Their new Mod 4 rails should be much better in all regards.
@@FocusTripp Ah, I kinda like their wedgelock system, I find it kind of innovative in terms of getting a good lock with minimal hardware. I also like the feel of their slim version. Their new rails are significantly heavier. I've removed them and reinstalled them dozens of times without issues but I guess the mechanically disinclined may have trouble.
I love my rosco k9 12.5 barrel but I wish they'd do it in something besides stainless steel in the series. I do appreciate the nitride finish though. I also love my 16 inch faxon pencil barrel. It has been a great performer for me in my lightweight rifle build. I've had a couple BCA uppers that ran great but I've definitely seen a lot of people have issues with them. I personally like to assemble my own rifles now though rather than buy a complete upper. Might have to buy one of your dissipators though haha. I do have a KE arms kp15 lower that has a lot of rounds through it and it works great. Its not the wwsd ambi lower. It takes triggers just fine and made a sweet lightweight rifle build. Great video
I'm gonna have to say this, because it didn't come from aero sight. Those complaints could have been some or even all from aero built uppers built by other companies using there parts. Kinda hard to hold the QC itself against them using that. Except, maybe the part itself failing depending on the situation.
Sorry about the comments guys, TH-cam has been automatically turning off comments on videos. Currently on the third time they have turned them off.
It's their new way of screwing FreedomTubers...
The TH-cam AI is after us.
@@anon_laughing_man Apparently, it's also deleting comments. It sent the alert from you as a response, but our original comments aren't showing up before yours.
@WhiteDragonSecurity
TH-cam is now a speech gulag.
🤡🤡TH-cam🤡🤡
Chewing gum on the mic is asshole tier for sure
Came here to say the same. Makes it really hard to listen to
It's was soo annoying
Came for this comment, agree
Made me not watch the video
@@johnkellogg2888 I think he learned his lesson, which is all we can ask,.....his latest tier video there was no gum. Thankfully
Smacking that gum right in that mic lol.
Yeah man, Im glad I'm not the only one that was cringing at that.
I had to mute the video… zero self awareness
BCM is my benchmark. It’s right where $, quality and performance all fall into line. For each $1 spent above the price of a BCM you might get $0.25 increase in quality and/or performance. IMHO
I bought a triarc as a post deployment gift to myself right before the events of 2020. It was pricey ($2200) Great gun though. Bought a BCM more recently as my second AR. Gotta say, I like the BCM better and it was maybe $1100 after I took advantage of a sale. The law of diminishing returns is very real in the world of ARs
They are excellent, but their barrels are a step down from DD. Only reason I bought a DD agter I had a bcm was for their barrel, got the ddm4v7 lw and it's noticeably more accurate than the BCM barrel in my recce 16 kmr-a
100% agree. Best I could get out of my BCM was 1.30” MOA off a very solid bench setup. And a PA GLX LPVO optic. It’s a thin barrel and hates suppressor heat also. Therefore, to make the rifle perfect (to me) the barrel will get swapped to something heavier.
@@xxdizannyxxI appreciate you purchasing the best equipment you can, there’s just nothing to actually back up the claim that DD barrels are better. No statistics, no objective metrics to go off of. Just anecdotally fallacious testimonials. At the end of the day, both companies are battle proven and their barrels will last at least 15k-20k rounds before you start to see diminished accuracy
@@scott2228I’m guessing you have the enhanced light weight barrel. BCM doesn’t recommend running a suppressor through those. The MK2 with the standard BFH barrel runs like a dream suppressed, but that’s what it’s designed for
Lol, i like how bear creek gets its own tier
Are you kidding me with the gum!!
Agree, basically lets the viewer know the IQ level going on here. Not suffering through anymore of this shit.
He might be a very exceptional individual if you get my meaning really artistic
Bushmaster’s roll mark being so cool puts it in B tier.
Windham is slept on because they are pretty small and build extreamly basic rifles. But they build them extreamly well, with each part inspected and assembled by people who are highly skilled and not over worked. They trade flash for function, quality, and proper specs.
"They are sending me a JAKL"
Moments captured right before tragedy.
I bought an Aero upper and had buyers remorse when I received it due to the barrel not having a drilled gas port (bolt-action). They did fix it, and now I enjoy it quite a bit, but you shouldn't receive a barrel with no gas port. Thankfully I knew about their BCG issues so I had a Microbest at the ready.
that's a feature!
think about the fact that someone installed the gas block onto the barrel and didnt notice the missing gas port! how do they even make sure they are lined up correctly.....
@@FocusTripp hey man just bought a lwrc di how could you tell it is over gassed by more recoil or …….
@@volkskrieg8735 faxon isnt any better, they OVER drill their gas ports. I prefer ballistic advantage for a budget build. never had an issue with BA
90% of the issues with aero come from the barrels. Even had jam issues fixed by swapping barrels
I had issues with an Aero upper. I contacted customer service, sent videos of the issue and.... they ghosted me. But according to the comments section, it was a me problem obviously ;)
Yikes haha, lots of simps for lots of companies in here.
@FocusTripp it's part of the deal I guess. Good stream 👍
@@MagicPrepper Thanks!
The one lower I received that was blemmed while paying for a non blem was immediately RMA’d…I guess your mileage may vary….if you didn’t use
Their support center that will
Slow things down
Mil-spec triggers in a $2000 rifle immediately drags it down a tier. *Cough* *Cough* FN, DD, *cough* *cough*.
* cough* skill issue * cough*
@@przemekchmielewski2137exactly.. The U.S. Military uses these weapons for a reason. This idea that “mil-spec” is trash is crazy…. Also if you haven’t produced weapons for the military you shouldn’t be allowed to call your equipment “mil-spec”..
@@roblav23 Rifles that are issued to the military are hardly what I'd call the pinnacle of quality. Our military did adopt the P320 after all.
Better triggers that have high reliability are out there. I agree. I'm a good shot and a better trigger ALWAYS helps improve accuracy.
If they put a different trigger people would complain about the unnecessary added price, and you'll never get the right aftermarket trigger in that rifle to appease everyone.
Who else skipped just to make sure theirs was rated good lmao?
I’ve had a bit too much to drink and man that guy’s comment about the free BCM BCG has me DYING LMFAO I can’t wait to see the rest of this
BRO!! THE GD CHEWING GUM!
Sorry I was sick.
Value absolutely should be part of these kinds of conversation because it's something that kept coming up - for example, you were saying about DD vs BCM where DD is slightly better than BCM but also costs 50% more, which almost certainly pushes BCM above DD.
Understood. I think that's where your personal determination comes in.
The last post John Noveske made was about how every mass shooter has been on some form of prescription antidepressant. Noveske quality used to be damn near S+ and after he passed it has seemed to slip down pretty hard. The infidel was the first 13.7 rifle I saw over a decade ago, before every other company went there. I wouldn’t pay $400 plus ever again since Johns passing. My geissele’s and bcm rifles are still my favorites. I’ve had every worth while brand on this list minus the lower end ones and KAC. First was old school bushmaster over 20 years ago but back then it was pretty much just colt and bushy. I’ve never experienced the DI LWRC but there IC SPR in 14.7”. That’s was when LWRC went after Sig lol. Funny to see how much has changed in this market
anybody paying $2k for a 5.5" 5.56 deserves to part with their money
hey....
lol
Sadly, I have just over $2K in a Radian Model 1, and it's the most accurate, softest shooting, tight-fitting AR-15 that I have ever shot. Otherwise, there are options that are less expensive.
Well, you overpaid for meme tier guns, but if you are happy..@@Super61Blackhawk
Good firearms are not for the poors sorry
I got a psa upper during covid and have about a thousand rounds through it over the past 4 years with no issues. I would gladly buy another upper from them again, and if I have to give it a look over I’ll chalk it up to a learning experience. I like to tinker. I have heard the horror stories of their qc though, so I like to think I’m not walking into it blind.
That said, I also wouldn’t mind getting an upper from BCM or focus.
BCM, PWS, ADM, Geissele, Centurion - would all be good options for complete uppers.
The problem isn’t that low quality brands can’t make good guns, it’s that they can’t make them consistent enough to warrant buying their brand
Aero went down right before covid and never resurfaced unfortunately
1 word. Washington
@@twistofcain_666 couldve sworn trump lost POTUS after only 6 months of covid, compared to the 2 years of covid under biden
@@twistofcain_666nerd
@@twistofcain_666 Biden isn’t gonna fuck you bro, Trump has nothing to do with this.
@@twistofcain_666are you dumb
I have thr ruger AR-556 I've shot 3k rounds and only 1 malfunction because at the time i didn't know how dirty steel cased ammo was and didn't clean it so it got a bit gummed up but after cleaning it cointies to work fine . So thats mostly just my fault.
I had a '15-'16 production AR556 that went as long as the barrel went... somewhere around 16k rounds the rifling gave up the ghost. The rifle worked great, actually. For $600 it was a great rifle... that upper is a .350L now, just cuz.
@bobrowley4346 16k rounds is quite a bit actually. I think s&w and Ruger make good starter rifles. I plan on getting a bcm upper too because those are very reliable and last even longer.
@@markanthonypar-wise1499 Yessir, after the rifling went I purchased a complete BCM upper and those two halves have been together since '18, I think. The Ruger BCG is still in use with the .350L, btw, with me never having replaced a part in it... Ruger, apparently, makes or buys quality BCGs. Edit: the majority of those ~ 16k rounds were steel case, too.
@bobrowley4346 I'm sure the Ruger would have lasted even longer if you shot just brass instead of steel imo but yeah that's all around good news
I think Geissele gets so much hate because of bill’s weirdness, and how pricy the ssa is. I think Geissele was well placed.
On a side note how often do you see full rifles from companies like KAC, LWRC, Larue, or Radian? I hear about them a lot online but I don’t think I’ve seen a single one in person. I’m slightly convinced that they only exist online for people to argue about on ig.
I haven only ever seen a few in person. But yeah, Bill is a strange man.
Where is PWS & Sionics?
And SOLGW
PWS was in A tier.
We added them at the end.
How about silencer co?
@@Black_Heart_Defensethey only make silencers and lowers
Fairly often what you’ll see with people trying to “save money by building themselves” is that, with all the extra money people spend on upgrading their mid tier rifles, they could have just saved that money up, gotten something significantly better straight from the factory, and have a lil money left over
I would very strongly disagree if the builder is competent. Instead of "upgrading", simply build from good parts from the start and the potential for a better kit is there. The determining factor is the builder. If the builder can competently source good parts, and can follow basic build procedures; then the possibility for building a good kit AND saving money is very possible.
The truth is that most that build their own rifles make mistakes, or don't put in the effort to find good parts for sale. On top of that, many are unwilling or unable to improve. I wouldn't let those people be the standard of comparison though. It hardly represents the capabilities of those in the gunsmithing trade.
@@TheColosiss oh yeh sorry, I realized I left out a couple words in my original comment that make it unclear what I'm talking about. Yeh I'm specifically talking doubling up the number of parts you get instead of just building with a vision and high level criteria in the beginning.
If you are patient and wait for opportunities to get the parts you want at a good price, and you get it all together at once, then yeah you can save significant money
Yep, I did this with my bmx…. Bought a mid tier Sunday and put a bunch of top-tier parts on it, but now I have a bike that cost more than the nicest bike they sell and is still lacking the benefits of the frame from their nicer bike and the set of wheels on their nicer bike.
Your thumb nail almost had me about to loose my shit over LWRC..LOL..also I'd rather have over gas then a rifle that cant shoot through tough elements. But that's me
Yeah, that was the bait.
@@FocusTripp you're a slippery one..lol
Im not understanding your explanation on the LWRC, you said Geissele is S tier and LWRC is not, but Geissele rifles are over-gassed more then the LWRC. I own both, once my super duty barrel gets hot that group opens up, My LWRC gets hot the group stays alot tighter, and the reason being is the heavy barrel. If a smaller contour barrel gets hot, the group opens up, if a heavy barrel gets hot thats built of quality, the heavy barrel hold groups better. Does my Geissele run like a well oiled machine absolutely, but i hold a 3oc pattern with my LWRC with zero malfunctions, my super duty is 2oc with 3 or 4 stoppages, PMC runs fine in my LWRC, run it through my Super Duty and every now and then she gets a bit unhappy with the PMC. I guess its pretty much preference. Good vid.
My LWRCs were much more over gassed than my Geisseles. I also have had that accuracy issue
I'm the opposite, my Geissele is gassier then my LWRC, cold bore my Geissele is a touch more accurate, after about 2 or 3 mags, my LWRC is a lot more accurate.
Larue was S tier before Mark got butthurt by everyone shitting on the c note and doubled his prices. Now it’s A
wait for offers. I bought a complete upper in June 2021 for 710 bucks.
Primary Arms has deals often on their uppers
Deals still exist on some of the top brands.
Check primary arms now. Larue absolutely has deals and deserves the S spot
My favorite AR15 company is Sionics. The only thing they make is their barrels. Very accurate barrels. I have 5 samples that are all MOA or better with good match ammo. Both chrome and QPQ.
They source their uppers and lowers from Mega/Zev. Like others do. Their BCG's are NP3 coated. And they are completley vetted. A ton of departments use them as patrol rifles.
All that matters is the Mass Effect references.
Great vid my fellow German brethren . I own a BCM, Daniel Defense, FN, LWRC and PWS. Def A-tier value!
Where in the world did you find a Geissele for $1,200???
I believe primary arms literally a wek ago had some Luna Black Superduty rifles in 16" for like 1252$...sadly I was late to the party, they were sold out
@@ReticentIndignation Eh, I just ordered my first from Munition Works. A J.O.E. with a special request of putting a Centurion CHF barrel in it. Dane has been super helpful. Including a discount it was only $1,155!
@@karlchristie1856 RIght on, custom put together is preferable in my opinion. I did buy a Superduty for well under MSRP and I was honestly underwhelmed as the quality wasn't 'perfect.' Not a bad gun by any means, just expected more from an MSRP of $2250. I wouldn't do it again...
That's a good dealio
@@karlchristie1856 Munition works is fantastic
Do you have any opinions on Phase 5 weapon systems? I like the look of the uppers at a good price.
Non.
I guess you're milage may vary, but for me, PSA makes up a large part of my armory. I've put at least a thousand round through each, and I've had issues with only one. Thats of 4 rifles and over a dozen pistols. The issue was an extractor that upon inspection before firing looked good, but sheared after less than a magazines worth of rounds. Contacted PSA and they sent an entire new BCG for me. Next thousand rounds and the gun had only malfunctions relating to me messing with the Adjustable gas block.
I wonder how Cobalt Kinetics rates on your list?
I need more experience, but I would imagine high tier.
I’m running out of places to hide ARs in the house. Wife thinks I have only 5. Owe how wrong she is. lol.
😂
I'd tell her for every pair of shoes, I can get a pistol. For every purse, it's a rifle.
😂😂😂😂
Just found your channel. Love it. Keep it up brother.
Sorry I missed the live stream. No apologies necessary for lil dude bro. He was fine. Parenting is a privilege.
Thanks, agreed.
Hopefully you get a Type-A and Blackout Defense on the channel in addition to Noveske and Radian. Noveske and Radian are definitely A+ tier. PWS and VSeven definitely need to be on your next list.
Noveske soon, I am not a huge fan of Type A.
Radian is definitely S-tier. No comparison.
@@FocusTripp can you elaborate? I am considering a Type A soon but can't seem to find an honest thorough review. Thanks
Very expensive, and has been caught using trash tier lowers parts in their guns and Anderson Buffers. @@curtbassett3254
You said type a video soon. Did it get deleted?@@FocusTripp
Is there a way to donate to this channel. I’d like to buy you a coffee ☕️. (As long as its not black rifle company)
The LWRC DI is the most slept on rifle on the market. Their BCG's are probably the best.
Debatable
I think I like the REBCG more from Geissle, but LWRC is great.
Pof-usa does not make them anymore but they used to have a D.I. BCG That was NP3+ coated was a one piece carrier design like LWRCs(w/ built in gas key), had their patented roller cam pin and a NP3+ coated bolt, now that IMO was the best D.I. BCG on the market for a long time. They still make their piston bcg's like that. .......LWRC has a really nice BCG as well tho, I stuck a POF-USA roller cam pin in mine and it really does smooth out the action alittle bit. But the coating lwrc uses is really good, but it is still inferior to the NP3+ Robar coating. Other then that the two are very similar BCGs.....
...As far as the Giessle BCG goes I have no experience with it, but when they say Reliablity Enhanced I don't know what that means other then they put their own type of coating on it. Other then that it looks pretty plain Jane to tell you the truth. Idk, I am not really impressed with Giessle, I think most of their products including their triggers are over hyped. And over priced, and that is from A guy that does not mind spending $2-3k on a gun that is worth it.
materials, coating, and geometries are better.
@@FocusTripp I don't know about all that, I guess we just gonna have to agree to disagree. I am really convinced there is a brand loyalty Bias in the gun community when it comes to Giessle products. But hey I am sure I have my own biases as well.
Gotta slot JP in. Remember they don't just make gamer rifles. They are responsible for some of the highest end/most accurate large frame ARs, made waves in the SASS program with the RSASS (remington submitted their rifle)/ They have super high quality barrels, thermofit barrel extensions, great triggers, the list goes on. Easy A+
Thinking of getting one of your mk3’s, where would you place them on this list?
C+ basic parts assembled correctly.
DANIEL DEFENSE B TIER WAAAAAT HATING THE RIS II WAAAT THE FOOK ITS PERFECT
Ris is a mediocre rail. Furniture is mediocre, everything else is fine.
I generally like Aero’s receivers and rail systems, but their barrels and BCGs have been really suspect post-Covid. BCM is my gold-standard for value and milspec essentials. Faxon is considered “budget” but their products have NEVER done me wrong.
My first rifle was a Bushmaster QRC, the pencil barrel and MPI Bcg was incredible considering I paid around 400$ for a complete rifle in 2015. I’ve put around 6k rounds through it and it still has a ways to go. Keep in mind, I’ve replaced everything except the bolt n barrel lol. But I have love for my bushy boy lmao
What's your opinion on KAK sandcutter ish BCG?
decent for the money.
Is this tier list also semi accurate for AR-10 rifles? (For the companies that make them)
Bear creek " Trash Can " 😂
Primary Arms still ships whatever you need to Washington State. You must affirm a disclaimer before they ship, but they will ship what you need. Just know your State and Local laws and regulations.
What about NY?
@@A-PatrioT not sure. I actually called them and asked about what it is they are willing to ship out. Optics Planet just took a sh!t on us and won't ship anything.
I also called my local gun shops and spoke to staff about aspects of our recent AWB. There is much confusion due to vagueness of the law, in terms of our ability to buy PARTS for rifles like the AR15.
Basically everyone is using their own discretion in terms of interpreting the law. Some are willing to take the risk of selling parts within the state. Some refuse to chance it, other may provide limited items such as Barrels and Bolt Carrier Groups. Basically anything that is essential to the construction of an AR15 or its derivatives is off the table. Some places will still sell muzzle devices, collapsible stocks, buffer tubes, safeties, pistol grips, charging handles and so on.
In other words, many are assuming the "Right to repair", while others simply refuse to take the risk.
Speak to your local dealers, then call Primary Arms to see what they can do.
This is what I’m worried about in Colorado. That companies will just cut ties.
Good to know. Will have to keep that in mind,
Many sites still sell items to us...
(Look at edit at bottom)
No POF-USA??? You got Ruger who just literally copied one of their designs, also YOU talked about PWS yet Pws Copied their anti-tilt buffer tube design from POF-USA as well. You have large well known companies using their designs and parts in their own rifles yet you left them off the list? POF-USA makes one of the Best most robust Piston Ar15s on the market in the P415 Edge and Also one of the Most upgraded D.I. rifles for the money right out of the box with the Renegade Plus. They are AMAZING RIFLES. They have won countless awards.
EDIT: Nevermind I see you guys put them in at the end, my apologies. Ok but they are Definitely "S" tier not "A"
We put them in at the end. I don't have enough experience to put them in S tier, but I will take your word for it.
I was under the impression the bad QC was a few years ago. Now the QC is back
Love this. Im subscribing
My POF
308 piston rifle obsession aside if haha cool components is justification for s tier Luth AR has sears tri burst trigger packs and slick side 601 uppers
Would love to see you do a review of an Adams arms piston upper
Wait, where can you get Geissele rifles for $1200?
Never baught a complete rifle from a single manufacturer. Always source upper lower handguard from Aero, bcg and barrel from others, Magpul furniture, gas block else where too. You can build a great rifle with a pinned adjustable gas block and a great barrel for $1000-1500
Where would you put the wilson combat protector ?
Super late to the show but I was surprised to not hear anything about Midwest Industries. I have zero experience with them but they seem to have some really nice rifles. Curious about their reliability and qc
At 13:16, did this man say he threw away the whole upper?? Or the barrel? Or the barrel and the gas block?
That should tell you everything you need to know about this guys view on saving money and value
Did you end up getting delton in there ??
Spikes Tactical has a phenomenal customer service. One of their customer service reps, Katherine assisted me with a special order, a custom complete upper build. We corresponded for about two months. I also shot my ST at the range with my buddies who has PSA and other no name brands, and there was a notable difference with shooting my rifle compared to the others. ST is at least a Sold B.
I am glad to hear it's working for you.
I don't even think you can realistically put hk on for the 416/417 you'd have to look at the mr556 since that's all that's offered to the civilian market lol
No way in hell would I rate S&W and CMMG ARs as B tier! Maybe C tier, but I’ve experienced and seen QC issues with both.
Unless someone has had extensive experience with ALL these brands, it’s not fair to honestly categorize all of them while being unbiased.
And I personally had a DD barrel nut so loose I my 13 year old Daughter could spin it off with her hands and the chrome lining looked like ass. I have also had to send one of my Knights back to them THREE times, yet never had one issue from 4 different S&W's one with over 10,000 rounds and the least shot S&W has 3,800 rounds through it.
All companies can and will send out shit, its just what happens when people are in charge of looking over hundreds of thousands of parts.
Would I ever sell my 3 Knights AR's? HELL NO!!!!! Would I buy a Daniel Defense again? HELL NO!!!!
@@adamrodgers2377 I’m a BCM, PWS and POF guy, myself.
@@wisco_guy Man I don't know why I dislike Daniel Defense so much, it's a friggin AR Company I ought to be like "Hell yeah" but I can't do it. 🤣
Was the geissele rifle sale in their own web site? Thats a killer deal. Thank you.
Yes it was.
Whats yhe issue with WWSD and Karl? I was looking at these recently.
What about Barrett? Never had a problem with mine 4000+ rnds later. A bit overgased, but I prefer the term " combat gased"
I’ve looked into the Zion-15 and see it as a really good entry AR, has everything you want nothing you don’t, but is probably $100 more than it should be, the quality of all the parts is legit when you dig into it
Do you ship uppers your home state of WA?
do I ship piece of metal to WA? yes.
@@FocusTripp thank you for being cool and supporting out 2A rights. PSA and a lot of other company’s flat out won’t anymore because of the “ban”, even if you state it’s for repairs.
I'm currently purchasing my 2nd CMMG, you guy's glossed over it pretty quick. I'm getting the Bass Pro version for 700, seems like a deal. I probably would have looked at Geissele seriously if I had seen this first.
No Midwest industries?
What you prefer more FN or BCM?
BA barrels are A but everything else is low B also no qc.
what do you know about their bolt groups?
I love the m4e1 lowers tho. I use those and bcm stripped uppers in every build. Never had an issue from the lowers
@@TheGrimiest true I do like their lowers but then again a lower is a lower as long as it is to spec. It isn't like barrels and bcg. You just have yo treat them like they are, a parts company. If you buy full gun you basically just disassemble it and rebuild doing your own qc.
@@gator7082 They are fine if you check them over and make sure everything is staked properly and fits etc... Again B is fine for most uses it just isn't up there with LaRue, BCM, knights. I just treat BA or Aero as a parts company if you buy a upper take it apart do your own qc and put it back together with loctite and the correct torque specs.
Their lowers and upper receivers are great. I love BA hanson barrels for the money especially on sale or used but basically new. I don't really like their rails they are a little to lightweight (more fore competition) and don't inspire confidence when it comes to durability but they lock up ok and don't rotate. The rest is a wash.
geissele and larue above LMT, Noveske, LWRC and HK is insane🤣
I do feel bad about LWRC
That would actually require LMT/Noveske/LWRC/HK owners to fire more than 50 rounds through them to get data lmfao. I think we accept they are good because it’s been used by the military community to some degree, which is its own fallacy. I’ve seen plenty of end users complain about LMT QC and even seen a Noveske bolt catastrophic failure. Are these lemons or do they make the brands a no go? It seems to be a lot of anecdotes and generalizations
LMT has PSA levels of QC. I'd even dare say, PSA has better QC than LMT as of late. It's sad.
HK is too busy getting high off their own farts to provide a good value.
LMT doesn't pay its workers much and is handicapped by location.
I def agree with the Geissele placement. They are nice. And getting their triggers and reliability enhanced BCGs is huge value added. Most of us put them in our rifles that we buy from anyone else lol. I’d bet 80% of the guys posting here have Geissele triggers in their guns..or wish they did.🤓
Describing the fact that you've shot a lot of customers DD rifles as "HAD TO" shoot it...rofl
I said what I said!
I know they don’t build full rifles but where would Criterion barrels go on this list?
Probably S or A tier. ADM, which is A tier, uses Criterion barrels, and I would say Criterion barrels are better than Geisseles and LaRues, which are S tier.
High Tier.
So POF in .308?
1:13:28 Autistic Radios beef is not a PSA beef its a federal law and State law beef. Federally unable to sell a pistol to out of state, and unable to transfer it to Washington state which is why its a no sell state. Correct you beef sir
LWRC in my biased opinion makes the most insanely reliable rifles on the planet, and that over gassed system contributes to that dependability:
I have never had an issue with mine.
I thought the 416 and variants have a firing pin block due to ensuring it passes all drop tests and I think theres a law in Germany that requires some form of firing pin retainer for newly manufactured firearms. Every one of their firearms has something along those lines if not a blatant block it's a retainer of sorts. Maybe theyre just stuck in their ways idk, but IMO I don't think the block is a bad idea, it's kind of nice to know for sure your firearm can't fire if dropped when hot and even Sig must have accepted that view because the MCX has their own firing pin block/retainer.
Curious where Griffin Armament would fall on this list. Their ambi MK2 lower is awesome and affordable. Pretty much identical to the ADM ambi lower at half the price. Plus they make all of their stuff in house.
Edit* Just seen where you speak of them pretty much putting them on the same tier as ADM.
I love you man but do you have to chew your gum like a cow, right into the microphone? 😂
Aero is the only bcg I’ve ever had fail without something catastrophic to cause a failure. I had two bolt carriers that kept failing to lock back on a Daniel defense barrel with a non adjustable gas block. These barrels are overgassed and yet these bolts were not cycling. I ended up selling them and deciding never to buy aero again. No issues with their uppers or lowers but I’ll never buy a functional component from them again.
Even KAK I’ve never had issues with… but aero failed out of the box.
How did Spike's make it to C? I thought you gave it a B?
He was supposed to move S&W down to C buy messed up.
🎉🎉I know I'm way late to this party but I gotta address these few things; (great video but here comes my dollar and 2 cents)
-Colt is only in use currently because of the quality products that were made years ago and have been in stockrooms, cages, and armorys since long before they became the Colt that we are experiencing today. Colt basically was replaced by FN and, hold ur breathe cus this might sting... Remington. The overwhelming majority of m4's produced since 2009 have been by FN and Remington arms while colt has crossed its arms and pouted in the corner cus the govt wouldn't let them be the exclusive manufacturer anymore. They probably would've went full on "omnisport maxx" had CZ not got their hands involved. Personally I loved colt and it's sad that such a quality company fell the way they did but that's another topic all together.
-Next, ADM makes phenomenal products but they are not a rifle manufacturer. They are "damned good" builders of duty rated rifles with a semi custom feel. But no matter how good they buildem, they don't manufacture their own rifle. ADM has great qc and obviously care about the quality of the rifles they build and the reputation of the company but the main components are not made by adm. They use criterion barrels, various bcg's, likely bcm springs/hardware, geissele fcg, and surefire muzzle devices. If we're being honest, ADM only makes receiver sets, handguards, and various mounts. Though their lowers are one of, if not the, best on the market.
- to qualify as A or S tier the rifle manufacturer should have to meet a few basic requirements. 1st, all rifles should be made on same line. No commercial / military line. If a company separates production lines, its a guarantee the commercial variant is subpar to the other.
2nd, all major components should be produced in house i.e, the bcg, barrel, gas block gas tube, buffer/buffer tube/buffer spring. Small parts and small springs are understandably going to be sourced but the more in-house production the better. It seems that lots of the top tier brands also have proprietary parts in their rifles. I'm sure that has played a role as they need to produce those parts in house or watch the tolerances and qc extremely closely.
**simply put, we as consumers need to start holding company's that simply source parts from the cheapest bins only to polish them up and slap a big giant shiny name on them so that they can triple the price for all of us "suckers". BCM, Geissele, KAC, are produced in-house. Heck, even psa produces majority of their AR in-house. Those are just a few but plenty of "your favorite manufacturers " are buying from bcm, from psa, from aero. Just so they can paint it and sell it to you for triple.
If you've made it this far, i have to say thanks. I appreciate you taking the time to read my heavily opinionated opinion and to show my gratitude, I'm gonna throw in just a couple more oh-pinny-yawns.
*Tippity Topps of the tier with a little bit of bells, whistles, and shit ton of make your battle buddy cream in his string- KAC, LMT, Radian, Noveske, HK
**Top Tier, battle proven, operator trusted. No bling but bring the Vaseline cus these things FUK! - BCM, GEISSELE, HK, B&T, DD, ADM,
*** tier basic entry level a lil work and these things might make her splash but it's possible the Netflix and chill night you hoped for turns out to be a Netflix and stay the fuk on your side of the couch
night - Aero, diamondback, black rain ord, PSA (premium), new colt, Troy, sig sauer m400 (mcx is higher up but needs more time in wild) ,CMMG , solgw, armalite,
**** not quite considered a tier. The cheapest guy in the elcheapo groups- BCA, ATI, polymer anything, radical firearms, UTG, strike industries, NC star..
@FocusTripp SanTan Tactical? I don't think anybody mentioned them.
Wilson combat?
So where did u put solgw?
I love Geissele and the REBCG is fantastic. I had one in a custom 13.9 that blew up due to an over pressured round from PMC and not only did Geissele send me a brand new REBCG free of charge despite it not being their fault but also were very responsive and sent me a bunch of swag.
We need a video about why you don’t like Type A.
:)
It would be funny if they made a AK tier list because most of the companies would fall in the no CQ tier.
I have no experience
Geissele isnt $1600 regular price. More like $2200 regular price and like $1300 on sale on black friday
I didn’t watch the entire video. But why do you have Geissele in S-tier, but LMT, LWRC in A-tier? And HK in C-tier? Because they’re expensive or hard to get?
These are getting obscure but are all make good rifles. Yes, some aren’t DI AR15s readily available in the US, but if you’re going to include HK and PWS, you might as well include them: Caracal, Haenel, Schmeisser, Sako, B&T, Barrett, and soon Beretta.
Also PRI, Sionics, Hodge, and (Canadian) Colt.
Hk rifles for their military contracts might be higher on the list but their civilian rifles cut corners. There's no reason to sell a rifle for those prices with an untreated carbon steel barrel.
I took my PSA to the range and shot the same targets as a guy that had a Knights and I was surprised to see that they both did the same thing
No they don't. KAC runs lol
This is bait
@@VoFALT Well my PSA must run too because I had absolutely no malfunctions and could shoot steel case and ever grain. Can't say the same about the Knights
@@SD1Airsoft not really. If your BCG is good what are we really talking about here lol. We weren't going full auto. And the guy said wow PSA has really stepped it up 😒 Dude
@@MrBossuporbowout Bro, go sit down for fuck's sake.
The price of the new Aero Alpha Pro rifles blew my mind. $1900? They might be great but for the other established reliable stuff out there, the price is insane. The handguards LOOK sick tho.
That is insane.
The guy who said Aero is *above* S&W is out of his mind.
well...
I agree.
"Not a fan of Aero's hand guard" well that's the thing that I like most about them LOL, now I feel inadequate.
They aren't great. The rail itself is fineish in terms of strength and rigidity, but the wedge locks are made out of paper mache. I have had to cut through customers builds after they lock them up and strip them out. Their new Mod 4 rails should be much better in all regards.
@@FocusTripp Ah, I kinda like their wedgelock system, I find it kind of innovative in terms of getting a good lock with minimal hardware. I also like the feel of their slim version. Their new rails are significantly heavier. I've removed them and reinstalled them dozens of times without issues but I guess the mechanically disinclined may have trouble.
Mine are all frankenbuilds except the Rock River I bought in 2010.
I love my rosco k9 12.5 barrel but I wish they'd do it in something besides stainless steel in the series. I do appreciate the nitride finish though. I also love my 16 inch faxon pencil barrel. It has been a great performer for me in my lightweight rifle build. I've had a couple BCA uppers that ran great but I've definitely seen a lot of people have issues with them. I personally like to assemble my own rifles now though rather than buy a complete upper. Might have to buy one of your dissipators though haha. I do have a KE arms kp15 lower that has a lot of rounds through it and it works great. Its not the wwsd ambi lower. It takes triggers just fine and made a sweet lightweight rifle build. Great video
If they make a 4150 version of the barrel I will buy more of them.
I'm gonna have to say this, because it didn't come from aero sight. Those complaints could have been some or even all from aero built uppers built by other companies using there parts. Kinda hard to hold the QC itself against them using that. Except, maybe the part itself failing depending on the situation.
Possible, but like 20 bolts breaking in a row isn't a great sign.
@@FocusTripp That's fair