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Chewing gum on the mic is asshole tier for sure
Came here to say the same. Makes it really hard to listen to
It's was soo annoying
Came for this comment, agree
Smacking that gum right in that mic lol.
Yeah man, Im glad I'm not the only one that was cringing at that.
I had to mute the video… zero self awareness
Are you kidding me with the gum!!
Agree, basically lets the viewer know the IQ level going on here. Not suffering through anymore of this shit.
He might be a very exceptional individual if you get my meaning really artistic
BCM is my benchmark. It’s right where $, quality and performance all fall into line. For each $1 spent above the price of a BCM you might get $0.25 increase in quality and/or performance. IMHO
I bought a triarc as a post deployment gift to myself right before the events of 2020. It was pricey ($2200) Great gun though. Bought a BCM more recently as my second AR. Gotta say, I like the BCM better and it was maybe $1100 after I took advantage of a sale. The law of diminishing returns is very real in the world of ARs
They are excellent, but their barrels are a step down from DD. Only reason I bought a DD agter I had a bcm was for their barrel, got the ddm4v7 lw and it's noticeably more accurate than the BCM barrel in my recce 16 kmr-a
100% agree. Best I could get out of my BCM was 1.30” MOA off a very solid bench setup. And a PA GLX LPVO optic. It’s a thin barrel and hates suppressor heat also. Therefore, to make the rifle perfect (to me) the barrel will get swapped to something heavier.
@@xxdizannyxxI appreciate you purchasing the best equipment you can, there’s just nothing to actually back up the claim that DD barrels are better. No statistics, no objective metrics to go off of. Just anecdotally fallacious testimonials. At the end of the day, both companies are battle proven and their barrels will last at least 15k-20k rounds before you start to see diminished accuracy
@@scott2228I’m guessing you have the enhanced light weight barrel. BCM doesn’t recommend running a suppressor through those. The MK2 with the standard BFH barrel runs like a dream suppressed, but that’s what it’s designed for
Lol, i like how bear creek gets its own tier
Bushmaster’s roll mark being so cool puts it in B tier.
Aero went down right before covid and never resurfaced unfortunately
1 word. Washington
@@twistofcain_666 couldve sworn trump lost POTUS after only 6 months of covid, compared to the 2 years of covid under biden
@@twistofcain_666nerd
@@twistofcain_666 Biden isn’t gonna fuck you bro, Trump has nothing to do with this.
@@twistofcain_666are you dumb
geissele and larue above LMT, Noveske, LWRC and HK is insane🤣
I do feel bad about LWRC
That would actually require LMT/Noveske/LWRC/HK owners to fire more than 50 rounds through them to get data lmfao. I think we accept they are good because it’s been used by the military community to some degree, which is its own fallacy. I’ve seen plenty of end users complain about LMT QC and even seen a Noveske bolt catastrophic failure. Are these lemons or do they make the brands a no go? It seems to be a lot of anecdotes and generalizations
LMT has PSA levels of QC. I'd even dare say, PSA has better QC than LMT as of late. It's sad.
HK is too busy getting high off their own farts to provide a good value.
LMT doesn't pay its workers much and is handicapped by location.
I bought an Aero upper and had buyers remorse when I received it due to the barrel not having a drilled gas port (bolt-action). They did fix it, and now I enjoy it quite a bit, but you shouldn't receive a barrel with no gas port. Thankfully I knew about their BCG issues so I had a Microbest at the ready.
that's a feature!
think about the fact that someone installed the gas block onto the barrel and didnt notice the missing gas port! how do they even make sure they are lined up correctly.....
@@FocusTripp hey man just bought a lwrc di how could you tell it is over gassed by more recoil or …….
@@volkskrieg8735 faxon isnt any better, they OVER drill their gas ports. I prefer ballistic advantage for a budget build. never had an issue with BA
90% of the issues with aero come from the barrels. Even had jam issues fixed by swapping barrels
"They are sending me a JAKL"
Moments captured right before tragedy.
BRO!! THE GD CHEWING GUM!
Sorry I was sick.
anybody paying $2k for a 5.5" 5.56 deserves to part with their money
hey....
lol
Sadly, I have just over $2K in a Radian Model 1, and it's the most accurate, softest shooting, tight-fitting AR-15 that I have ever shot. Otherwise, there are options that are less expensive.
Well, you overpaid for meme tier guns, but if you are happy..@@Super61Blackhawk
Good firearms are not for the poors sorry
Mil-spec triggers in a $2000 rifle immediately drags it down a tier. *Cough* *Cough* FN, DD, *cough* *cough*.
* cough* skill issue * cough*
@@przemekchmielewski2137exactly.. The U.S. Military uses these weapons for a reason. This idea that “mil-spec” is trash is crazy…. Also if you haven’t produced weapons for the military you shouldn’t be allowed to call your equipment “mil-spec”..
@@roblav23 Rifles that are issued to the military are hardly what I'd call the pinnacle of quality. Our military did adopt the P320 after all.
I’ve had a bit too much to drink and man that guy’s comment about the free BCM BCG has me DYING LMFAO I can’t wait to see the rest of this
I had issues with an Aero upper. I contacted customer service, sent videos of the issue and.... they ghosted me. But according to the comments section, it was a me problem obviously ;)
Yikes haha, lots of simps for lots of companies in here.
@FocusTripp it's part of the deal I guess. Good stream 👍
@@MagicPrepper Thanks!
The one lower I received that was blemmed while paying for a non blem was immediately RMA’d…I guess your mileage may vary….if you didn’t use
Their support center that will
Slow things down
The last post John Noveske made was about how every mass shooter has been on some form of prescription antidepressant. Noveske quality used to be damn near S+ and after he passed it has seemed to slip down pretty hard. The infidel was the first 13.7 rifle I saw over a decade ago, before every other company went there. I wouldn’t pay $400 plus ever again since Johns passing. My geissele’s and bcm rifles are still my favorites. I’ve had every worth while brand on this list minus the lower end ones and KAC. First was old school bushmaster over 20 years ago but back then it was pretty much just colt and bushy. I’ve never experienced the DI LWRC but there IC SPR in 14.7”. That’s was when LWRC went after Sig lol. Funny to see how much has changed in this market
Fairly often what you’ll see with people trying to “save money by building themselves” is that, with all the extra money people spend on upgrading their mid tier rifles, they could have just saved that money up, gotten something significantly better straight from the factory, and have a lil money left over
I would very strongly disagree if the builder is competent. Instead of "upgrading", simply build from good parts from the start and the potential for a better kit is there. The determining factor is the builder. If the builder can competently source good parts, and can follow basic build procedures; then the possibility for building a good kit AND saving money is very possible.
The truth is that most that build their own rifles make mistakes, or don't put in the effort to find good parts for sale. On top of that, many are unwilling or unable to improve. I wouldn't let those people be the standard of comparison though. It hardly represents the capabilities of those in the gunsmithing trade.
@@TheColosiss oh yeh sorry, I realized I left out a couple words in my original comment that make it unclear what I'm talking about. Yeh I'm specifically talking doubling up the number of parts you get instead of just building with a vision and high level criteria in the beginning.
If you are patient and wait for opportunities to get the parts you want at a good price, and you get it all together at once, then yeah you can save significant money
Sorry I missed the live stream. No apologies necessary for lil dude bro. He was fine. Parenting is a privilege.
Thanks, agreed.
All that matters is the Mass Effect references.
Value absolutely should be part of these kinds of conversation because it's something that kept coming up - for example, you were saying about DD vs BCM where DD is slightly better than BCM but also costs 50% more, which almost certainly pushes BCM above DD.
Understood. I think that's where your personal determination comes in.
I got a psa upper during covid and have about a thousand rounds through it over the past 4 years with no issues. I would gladly buy another upper from them again, and if I have to give it a look over I’ll chalk it up to a learning experience. I like to tinker. I have heard the horror stories of their qc though, so I like to think I’m not walking into it blind.
That said, I also wouldn’t mind getting an upper from BCM or focus.
BCM, PWS, ADM, Geissele, Centurion - would all be good options for complete uppers.
The problem isn’t that low quality brands can’t make good guns, it’s that they can’t make them consistent enough to warrant buying their brand
I’m running out of places to hide ARs in the house. Wife thinks I have only 5. Owe how wrong she is. lol.
😂
I'd tell her for every pair of shoes, I can get a pistol. For every purse, it's a rifle.
Gotta slot JP in. Remember they don't just make gamer rifles. They are responsible for some of the highest end/most accurate large frame ARs, made waves in the SASS program with the RSASS (remington submitted their rifle)/ They have super high quality barrels, thermofit barrel extensions, great triggers, the list goes on. Easy A+
Larue was S tier before Mark got butthurt by everyone shitting on the c note and doubled his prices. Now it’s A
wait for offers. I bought a complete upper in June 2021 for 710 bucks.
Primary Arms has deals often on their uppers
Deals still exist on some of the top brands.
Check primary arms now. Larue absolutely has deals and deserves the S spot
Your thumb nail almost had me about to loose my shit over LWRC..LOL..also I'd rather have over gas then a rifle that cant shoot through tough elements. But that's me
Yeah, that was the bait.
@@FocusTripp you're a slippery one..lol
I def agree with the Geissele placement. They are nice. And getting their triggers and reliability enhanced BCGs is huge value added. Most of us put them in our rifles that we buy from anyone else lol. I’d bet 80% of the guys posting here have Geissele triggers in their guns..or wish they did.🤓
Bear creek " Trash Can " 😂
I was under the impression the bad QC was a few years ago. Now the QC is back
Im in SC. Psa or any ffl out of state can't sell to you but if it's legal in your state they can ship it to your ffl in your state.
I thought the 416 and variants have a firing pin block due to ensuring it passes all drop tests and I think theres a law in Germany that requires some form of firing pin retainer for newly manufactured firearms. Every one of their firearms has something along those lines if not a blatant block it's a retainer of sorts. Maybe theyre just stuck in their ways idk, but IMO I don't think the block is a bad idea, it's kind of nice to know for sure your firearm can't fire if dropped when hot and even Sig must have accepted that view because the MCX has their own firing pin block/retainer.
I’ve looked into the Zion-15 and see it as a really good entry AR, has everything you want nothing you don’t, but is probably $100 more than it should be, the quality of all the parts is legit when you dig into it
POF is S tier the 416 is best ever rifle and I got a revolution for 1499 its amazing
I took my PSA to the range and shot the same targets as a guy that had a Knights and I was surprised to see that they both did the same thing
No they don't. KAC runs lol
This is bait
@@VoFALT Well my PSA must run too because I had absolutely no malfunctions and could shoot steel case and ever grain. Can't say the same about the Knights
@@SD1Airsoft not really. If your BCG is good what are we really talking about here lol. We weren't going full auto. And the guy said wow PSA has really stepped it up 😒 Dude
@@MrBossuporbowout Bro, go sit down for fuck's sake.
DANIEL DEFENSE B TIER WAAAAAT HATING THE RIS II WAAAT THE FOOK ITS PERFECT
Ris is a mediocre rail. Furniture is mediocre, everything else is fine.
Primary Arms still ships whatever you need to Washington State. You must affirm a disclaimer before they ship, but they will ship what you need. Just know your State and Local laws and regulations.
What about NY?
@@A-PatrioT not sure. I actually called them and asked about what it is they are willing to ship out. Optics Planet just took a sh!t on us and won't ship anything.
I also called my local gun shops and spoke to staff about aspects of our recent AWB. There is much confusion due to vagueness of the law, in terms of our ability to buy PARTS for rifles like the AR15.
Basically everyone is using their own discretion in terms of interpreting the law. Some are willing to take the risk of selling parts within the state. Some refuse to chance it, other may provide limited items such as Barrels and Bolt Carrier Groups. Basically anything that is essential to the construction of an AR15 or its derivatives is off the table. Some places will still sell muzzle devices, collapsible stocks, buffer tubes, safeties, pistol grips, charging handles and so on.
In other words, many are assuming the "Right to repair", while others simply refuse to take the risk.
Speak to your local dealers, then call Primary Arms to see what they can do.
This is what I’m worried about in Colorado. That companies will just cut ties.
Good to know. Will have to keep that in mind,
Great vid my fellow German brethren . I own a BCM, Daniel Defense, FN, LWRC and PWS. Def A-tier value!
Hopefully you get a Type-A and Blackout Defense on the channel in addition to Noveske and Radian. Noveske and Radian are definitely A+ tier. PWS and VSeven definitely need to be on your next list.
Noveske soon, I am not a huge fan of Type A.
Radian is definitely S-tier. No comparison.
@@FocusTripp can you elaborate? I am considering a Type A soon but can't seem to find an honest thorough review. Thanks
Very expensive, and has been caught using trash tier lowers parts in their guns and Anderson Buffers. @@curtbassett3254
You said type a video soon. Did it get deleted?@@FocusTripp
The price of the new Aero Alpha Pro rifles blew my mind. $1900? They might be great but for the other established reliable stuff out there, the price is insane. The handguards LOOK sick tho.
That is insane.
I'm currently purchasing my 2nd CMMG, you guy's glossed over it pretty quick. I'm getting the Bass Pro version for 700, seems like a deal. I probably would have looked at Geissele seriously if I had seen this first.
Where is PWS & Sionics?
And SOLGW
PWS was in A tier.
We added them at the end.
How about silencer co?
@@Black_Heart_Defensethey only make silencers and lowers
The LWRC DI is the most slept on rifle on the market. Their BCG's are probably the best.
Debatable
I think I like the REBCG more from Geissle, but LWRC is great.
Pof-usa does not make them anymore but they used to have a D.I. BCG That was NP3+ coated was a one piece carrier design like LWRCs(w/ built in gas key), had their patented roller cam pin and a NP3+ coated bolt, now that IMO was the best D.I. BCG on the market for a long time. They still make their piston bcg's like that. .......LWRC has a really nice BCG as well tho, I stuck a POF-USA roller cam pin in mine and it really does smooth out the action alittle bit. But the coating lwrc uses is really good, but it is still inferior to the NP3+ Robar coating. Other then that the two are very similar BCGs.....
...As far as the Giessle BCG goes I have no experience with it, but when they say Reliablity Enhanced I don't know what that means other then they put their own type of coating on it. Other then that it looks pretty plain Jane to tell you the truth. Idk, I am not really impressed with Giessle, I think most of their products including their triggers are over hyped. And over priced, and that is from A guy that does not mind spending $2-3k on a gun that is worth it.
materials, coating, and geometries are better.
@@FocusTripp I don't know about all that, I guess we just gonna have to agree to disagree. I am really convinced there is a brand loyalty Bias in the gun community when it comes to Giessle products. But hey I am sure I have my own biases as well.
Describing the fact that you've shot a lot of customers DD rifles as "HAD TO" shoot it...rofl
I said what I said!
Geissele isnt $1600 regular price. More like $2200 regular price and like $1300 on sale on black friday
The IWI Zion definitely pushes IWI into low B tier.
Spikes Tactical has a phenomenal customer service. One of their customer service reps, Katherine assisted me with a special order, a custom complete upper build. We corresponded for about two months. I also shot my ST at the range with my buddies who has PSA and other no name brands, and there was a notable difference with shooting my rifle compared to the others. ST is at least a Sold B.
I am glad to hear it's working for you.
POF , PSA-Sabre , BCM , IWI
No way in hell would I rate S&W and CMMG ARs as B tier! Maybe C tier, but I’ve experienced and seen QC issues with both.
Unless someone has had extensive experience with ALL these brands, it’s not fair to honestly categorize all of them while being unbiased.
And I personally had a DD barrel nut so loose I my 13 year old Daughter could spin it off with her hands and the chrome lining looked like ass. I have also had to send one of my Knights back to them THREE times, yet never had one issue from 4 different S&W's one with over 10,000 rounds and the least shot S&W has 3,800 rounds through it.
All companies can and will send out shit, its just what happens when people are in charge of looking over hundreds of thousands of parts.
Would I ever sell my 3 Knights AR's? HELL NO!!!!! Would I buy a Daniel Defense again? HELL NO!!!!
@@adamrodgers2377 I’m a BCM, PWS and POF guy, myself.
@@wisco_guy Man I don't know why I dislike Daniel Defense so much, it's a friggin AR Company I ought to be like "Hell yeah" but I can't do it. 🤣
BA barrels are A but everything else is low B also no qc.
what do you know about their bolt groups?
I love the m4e1 lowers tho. I use those and bcm stripped uppers in every build. Never had an issue from the lowers
@@TheGrimiest true I do like their lowers but then again a lower is a lower as long as it is to spec. It isn't like barrels and bcg. You just have yo treat them like they are, a parts company. If you buy full gun you basically just disassemble it and rebuild doing your own qc.
@@gator7082 They are fine if you check them over and make sure everything is staked properly and fits etc... Again B is fine for most uses it just isn't up there with LaRue, BCM, knights. I just treat BA or Aero as a parts company if you buy a upper take it apart do your own qc and put it back together with loctite and the correct torque specs.
Their lowers and upper receivers are great. I love BA hanson barrels for the money especially on sale or used but basically new. I don't really like their rails they are a little to lightweight (more fore competition) and don't inspire confidence when it comes to durability but they lock up ok and don't rotate. The rest is a wash.
Windham is slept on because they are pretty small and build extreamly basic rifles. But they build them extreamly well, with each part inspected and assembled by people who are highly skilled and not over worked. They trade flash for function, quality, and proper specs.
The guy who said Aero is *above* S&W is out of his mind.
well...
I agree.
Im not understanding your explanation on the LWRC, you said Geissele is S tier and LWRC is not, but Geissele rifles are over-gassed more then the LWRC. I own both, once my super duty barrel gets hot that group opens up, My LWRC gets hot the group stays alot tighter, and the reason being is the heavy barrel. If a smaller contour barrel gets hot, the group opens up, if a heavy barrel gets hot thats built of quality, the heavy barrel hold groups better. Does my Geissele run like a well oiled machine absolutely, but i hold a 3oc pattern with my LWRC with zero malfunctions, my super duty is 2oc with 3 or 4 stoppages, PMC runs fine in my LWRC, run it through my Super Duty and every now and then she gets a bit unhappy with the PMC. I guess its pretty much preference. Good vid.
My LWRCs were much more over gassed than my Geisseles. I also have had that accuracy issue
I'm the opposite, my Geissele is gassier then my LWRC, cold bore my Geissele is a touch more accurate, after about 2 or 3 mags, my LWRC is a lot more accurate.
My favorite AR15 company is Sionics. The only thing they make is their barrels. Very accurate barrels. I have 5 samples that are all MOA or better with good match ammo. Both chrome and QPQ.
They source their uppers and lowers from Mega/Zev. Like others do. Their BCG's are NP3 coated. And they are completley vetted. A ton of departments use them as patrol rifles.
I don't even think you can realistically put hk on for the 416/417 you'd have to look at the mr556 since that's all that's offered to the civilian market lol
There's a good dozen brands, maybe take a few that I would consider. Just so I don't get paralasys by analysis.
It would be funny if they made a AK tier list because most of the companies would fall in the no CQ tier.
I have no experience
(Look at edit at bottom)
No POF-USA??? You got Ruger who just literally copied one of their designs, also YOU talked about PWS yet Pws Copied their anti-tilt buffer tube design from POF-USA as well. You have large well known companies using their designs and parts in their own rifles yet you left them off the list? POF-USA makes one of the Best most robust Piston Ar15s on the market in the P415 Edge and Also one of the Most upgraded D.I. rifles for the money right out of the box with the Renegade Plus. They are AMAZING RIFLES. They have won countless awards.
EDIT: Nevermind I see you guys put them in at the end, my apologies. Ok but they are Definitely "S" tier not "A"
We put them in at the end. I don't have enough experience to put them in S tier, but I will take your word for it.
On the Geissele front, they had a blem sale on the 4th of July after this stream. I got a super duty stripped 14.5" upper (No charging handle, BCG, or muzzle device) for $485. Definitely S tier.
Aero is C, but they’ve probably sold more civilian rifles than everyone else put together by now…I’d love to see a total lowers sold comparison.
I don't think they outsell PSA.
@@FocusTripp like I said. I’d love to see total numbers
I would guess Smith and Wesson with the mp series
I generally like Aero’s receivers and rail systems, but their barrels and BCGs have been really suspect post-Covid. BCM is my gold-standard for value and milspec essentials. Faxon is considered “budget” but their products have NEVER done me wrong.
Looking at the amount of Aero issues I doubt it is even C tier, no QC for me
Aero does 10x the amount of business than most companies. From a business standpoint its easier to replace a faulty item rather than slow down production (and sales) to maintain stellar QC. Its almost impossible to have both....AND keep very reasonable prices.
@@KevinWood44 I get it. But from perspective of european buyer this approach sucks, because in case of faulty part you can't reach out to producer directly. You have to rely on retailer and importer, which often do very poor job and you end up waiting months to get your gun fixed.
@@emkroYes, I understand what you're saying. I wasnt making justifications for it, simply explaining from a business standpoint.
Amazon does so much business they just throw away most returns and re-ship stolen items bc its simply a matter of convenience for a company that size.
But yea if I were you Id fo business with someone else as well. I dont judge a company by never making a mistake as long as they correct the mistake without issue.
Geissele ARs are easily S tier their rifles are amazing.
its funny when you put Knights Arnament and Larue as the best rifle systems on the market when both of those companies make their products at prices nobody can afford. So I'll just take my DD instead. Lmao
You obviously don’t know Larue. I didn’t at first either. I own 3 complete rifles now. They run some insane sales that DD never does. A decent sale is on primary arms right now. I just picked up a Larue with a mount included for 1749 and that’s nothing compared to the complete lowers he let go last year for 200 for example…
@@kl6911 and when do these happen? lmao Ive been looking for years and the prices never budged.
@@vicerichter1163 go to primary arms now!!! You’re welcome
Geissele is S tier. Show me two broken REBCGs. Just show me two. Anyone? They've been around for 5 years.
agreed
I hade one break but my entire rifle blew up. Massively overcharged round that blew my upper apart. Geissele not only sent me a brand new REBCG free of charge but also a bunch of patches.
Is this tier list also semi accurate for AR-10 rifles? (For the companies that make them)
We need a video about why you don’t like Type A.
:)
B Kings Firearms out of Lima Ohio. These guys manufacture and have great prices!
Don't forget about the Geissele trigger pocket! All you need is a drill bit.
Never baught a complete rifle from a single manufacturer. Always source upper lower handguard from Aero, bcg and barrel from others, Magpul furniture, gas block else where too. You can build a great rifle with a pinned adjustable gas block and a great barrel for $1000-1500
I love Geissele and the REBCG is fantastic. I had one in a custom 13.9 that blew up due to an over pressured round from PMC and not only did Geissele send me a brand new REBCG free of charge despite it not being their fault but also were very responsive and sent me a bunch of swag.
Lol the thumbnail got me. I clicked on this video prepared for war in the comments 😂
Nothing in here on POF, or did I miss it? POF makes some amazing guns
Regarding whether "value" should be included, I think it obviously is important, "quantity has a quality all its own", but value is not a performance metric for most people. For the military, it sort of is a performance metric in that it affects logistics performance and the amount of time and money and delays that go into determining our current fighting capacity, but for most average people, it's not quite as much about their ability to maintain that capacity because most people don't shoot enough for that to make a huge difference anyway. While it is definitely relevant to the conversation, because having two barrels that can give you a total of 30,000 rounds is definitely better than one barrel that can only get you 20,000, but value should be a secondary factor when it comes to putting tier lists like these together. Having two inaccurate rifles is not better than one accurate rifle (unless you have a buddy who is also gonna be helping you mag dump at a target 700yds away and pray that you hit them lol), but at the individual level, performance is what we should be evaluating first, while informing people of price, so they can determine on their own if a certain level of quality is even worth buying. People will know if something is worth it to them financially or not. People will be able to decide if they want to spend the extra money to get something better. But what people have a hard time figuring out, because the info on AR makers is mostly just hearsay and people simping for something they know nothing about because they want to feel good about themselves for having an opinion even when they know nothing about the actual state of the market or the manufacturers in general
So POF in .308?
I love my rosco k9 12.5 barrel but I wish they'd do it in something besides stainless steel in the series. I do appreciate the nitride finish though. I also love my 16 inch faxon pencil barrel. It has been a great performer for me in my lightweight rifle build. I've had a couple BCA uppers that ran great but I've definitely seen a lot of people have issues with them. I personally like to assemble my own rifles now though rather than buy a complete upper. Might have to buy one of your dissipators though haha. I do have a KE arms kp15 lower that has a lot of rounds through it and it works great. Its not the wwsd ambi lower. It takes triggers just fine and made a sweet lightweight rifle build. Great video
If they make a 4150 version of the barrel I will buy more of them.
LWRC in my biased opinion makes the most insanely reliable rifles on the planet, and that over gassed system contributes to that dependability:
I have never had an issue with mine.
I get it the money is a factor. I personally onwed DDs and BCM and all my DD boringly accurate and reliable and although a bit over gassed, the ejection pattern with all of them have been very consistent. In the other hand. BCM have not been as accurate, gassed all over the place and the some of the muzzle breaks spitted fire like a dragon. I. Conclusion yes DD is more expensive and it is boring, but it simple works and you know what you get. BCM after you order the upper and fire it you either has to send it back or sell it down the line and buy something else which you end up paying more than if you had bought DD in the first place. Also, we are not using the same criteria to judge this categories, cuz you all say colt sort parts from different companies, so does BCM.
Not sure an AR tier list video should be a 2 hour live stream. More like a
Please get your hands on unbranded AR ... they also have an carbon(polymer) lower
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If you haven’t tried blackout then you need to get on that. Probably the best innovations in the AR rifle in the last two decades
I think Geissele gets so much hate because of bill’s weirdness, and how pricy the ssa is. I think Geissele was well placed.
On a side note how often do you see full rifles from companies like KAC, LWRC, Larue, or Radian? I hear about them a lot online but I don’t think I’ve seen a single one in person. I’m slightly convinced that they only exist online for people to argue about on ig.
I haven only ever seen a few in person. But yeah, Bill is a strange man.
What about DiamondBack?
Just asking for a friend, thanks… 😅
Everyone sleeps on Centurion.
I have built a V7 with Centurion barrel, Zev with Criterion Core barrel, BCM with BCM barrel and Geissele with BCM barrel, and I laugh at my Geissele. I'm glad I built in on Black Friday sale. Geissele is good for triggers, but V7 and Centurion are head and shoulders above in fit and finish, but more importantly where it counts. Barrels and BCGs. Hell, I even prefer the Centurion AST over the SSAE trigger, especially for the money.
WTS OD Green Geissele w/ 10.5" Super Modular Rail, SSAE trigger, and 11.5" BCM CHF barrel to finance a Centurion 11.5" Midweight CM4.
My first AR was the Ruger 556. I still have it and it still works, but the QC on it is terrible. The amount of slop between the upper and lower is laughable. And the Ruger furniture they put on it has long since broken off.
The best thing to come out of it was that it helped to teach me about gunsmithing and what to look out for on low quality ARs.
That's what my first ARs did as well.
Would love to see you do a review of an Adams arms piston upper
I have DDs and BCMs, IWI Zions and Tavors, and more…it’s a Colt 6920 by my bed. The rest are in the safe. My 6920 has been beat on and just keeps kicking.
I have purchased many PSA and non-PSA products from PSA and have only had outstanding customer service. My PSA AR15 and Gen3 AR10 have had no quality issues, no reliability issues, shoot great and are very accurate. I guess from your rating very poor PSA rating, I have been very lucky.
This stream is way funnier after the Jakl (jokel) fiasco.
IraqiVeteran8888 and his friend make rifles now. Forgot the name, but wonder what they're like.
Interesting.
Battle Arms Development and Mega Arms used to make really good receivers for the price, don't know if that is still the case today. Those were always my go to for stripped lowers.
Where in the world did you find a Geissele for $1,200???
I believe primary arms literally a wek ago had some Luna Black Superduty rifles in 16" for like 1252$...sadly I was late to the party, they were sold out
@@ReticentIndignation Eh, I just ordered my first from Munition Works. A J.O.E. with a special request of putting a Centurion CHF barrel in it. Dane has been super helpful. Including a discount it was only $1,155!
@@karlchristie1856 RIght on, custom put together is preferable in my opinion. I did buy a Superduty for well under MSRP and I was honestly underwhelmed as the quality wasn't 'perfect.' Not a bad gun by any means, just expected more from an MSRP of $2250. I wouldn't do it again...
That's a good dealio
@@karlchristie1856 Munition works is fantastic
I wonder how Cobalt Kinetics rates on your list?
I need more experience, but I would imagine high tier.
Ballistic and Aero make great parts for a home build.
Agreed
Value
Bought a "freedom" milspec lower and got a free upper. And bought a 20" fluted stainless barrel with a nickel boron chamber, on clearance for 165. $100 for a nickel boron PSA bolt. JP adj block. A5 buffer and a MBT2 Larue trigger. Stngnr Vulcan handguard. 1.5" with surplus 55gr.
Tight receiver fit, jacking screw removes all play. Tight barrel fit, had to heat the receiver a little for some expansion. All around good value. Entire build minus scope and bipod $1100.
*Lucas Botkin spins around taking off sunglasses
"Black RAIN you say?"
Missed Munitionworks
Is there a way to donate to this channel. I’d like to buy you a coffee ☕️. (As long as its not black rifle company)
For anyone curious about Centurion Arms, the guy takes FN barrels and improves upon them, making them more modern. The uppers are damn good, and they’d be solidly in A tier.
Good to know.
@@FocusTripp Love your videos man. You’re one of the good ones!
Would be cool to see you review a Centurion upper since you’ve got experience with “regular” FN product. Really don’t think you’d be disappointed
@@jacobk1160 I'll see man!
CMMG uses 4140 barrels immediate meme tier.
Bro is like the freaking ice truck killer with the damn cough drops
I don't get why there's so little statistical work and collaboration between firearm enthusiasts. Like there's literally millions of us and yet we seem to have horrible data on which guns are actually being made the best and working the best in any given quarter of the year... I mean we don't even really have enough consistent data actually collated into larger, rolling data sets that can analyzed using any high-level statistical tools anyway.
Like, the only guy I can think of that actually bothers to do realllll hard work into measuring and reporting this stuff in a coherent way for the community is someone like School of the American Rifle, he's amazing for what he does.
I wish that the firearms community was even remotely as dedicated to data collection and analysis as some of the other communities/hobbies involving high-tech equipment that I am a part of. I have no idea how something as huge as the firearms industry and enthusiast community can possibly be so bad at collecting real world data. We should all be able to know with nearly 100% certainty, during any random quarter of the calendar year, which barrels from which companies were shooting most accurately, which parts are standing up to abuse the most, which companies have the best precision, etc.
But for some reason, you have to essentially resign yourself to just not fcking knowing what's even good or not because nobody knows how to properly test or measure anything or even know how to properly write down data or know how to upload it or know how to collaborate together online to create meaningful databases. Sometimes I get lucky and I'll find something like that sweet spreadsheet where that guy measures the specs of barrels, like average gas port sizes from manufacturers, gas block journal dimension variations, barrel weights, etc.
but otherwise, it feels like most people, even 'TH-cam experts' are just flying blind and have no idea what's going on or what they are even talking about or recommending.
>Inb4 "well then why don't you do it then huh man?", well because I just got 'into the community' like a few months ago and I didn't give a sh*t before then, I just shot my Glocks and shot my Daniel Defense and didn't really care about this stuff, but yeh it looks like I'm gonna have to be the one who starts doing this stuff and try to find a way to collect more data. These problems should already have been solved for us by people smarter than us, but instead, because, no offense, it seems like there are not nearly as many truly, high-tier, autistic-wizard levels of intelligent people who are SUPER INTO guns as their hobby instead of their profession. It's not a jab at anyone here in this comments, it's just true that hyper intelligent people tend to be more into other things, and if they are into guns, they are doing some pretty crazy sh*t with guns and spending less time doing consumer analysis and market QC data
And the super genius people who are actually into guns are usually the ones who are designing them or engineering them