Appreciate the video and all of your content. Can you go over a lifter who isn’t built for squatting can improve? Or how to make adjustments based on leverages
There's one factor I think needs mentioning. If you focus solely on "knees forward" during the descent, what will happen to most people is they will run into a wall of dorsiflexion limit around parallel. This will result in a relative rearward movement of the hips right before hitting the hole, which causes the lifter to do the good morning pattern on the way up to stay balanced and not fall backwards. So while focusing on the knees during the ascent is key, I think focusing on the hips on the way down is incredibly useful, to "give your knees room" to travel forward. I think Eoin misses this because he has never had to squat with bigass femurs.
@@sikastrength Maybe I'm misinterpreting I just wish it were clearer. The cue I'm specifically looking for is to actually purposefully allow some torso incline i.e. "sitting back" on the way down, similar to how you'd cue a low bar squat. Surprisingly I find it makes the lifter end up being _more_ upright in the end because their torso angle ends up being very consistent. Maybe this is what you mean, or maybe you think differently about it. It's all very subjective in the end.
I wonder if there’s a scale that shows the best squat stance and bar placement based on length of limbs and torso. Like actual measurement ranges / ratios.
Not trying to start controversy here lads, but how come Fitz talks about keeping toes forward? I've tried this and found it to really uncomfortable for me. Something like what Tian is doing in this video here always feels more natural and comfortable for me.
This technique looks as awkward, as a close grip bench with a regular bar. Lifting a lot of weight like that is impressive, but still... Toshiki`s technique seems so much comfortable.
@@durrantmiller8810 exactly this. they're hyper aware of their body movement mechanics since theyve been doing these movements since early age. they're always 'in the groove' every time they perform them, and the 'groove' never changes.
@@GenericUssername only useless advice. Even if he knows what's best (I doubt he does), he will always tell you to stop training forever, or to do like 20kg squats, regardless of your situation. Daire is literally a weighlifting coach, pretty sure he knows what's up.
@kirihara they literally tell everyone to go to a sports physio for injuries because people bug them about it and they're not medical specialists who know the severity of the injury and medical history associated with the people. It's like tearing your ACL and going to your rugby coach asking him about recovery techniques. Glad you can speak on their behalf on whether they can or should give medical advice though.
Improve your ankle mobility and learn to push your knees as far over your toes as possible. The longer your femurs the more ankle mobility you proportionally need to get into the same positions as Tian Tao. It is possible, just you’ll need to work at it a lot more work and put a lot more effort into it than someone like Tian Tao.
I understand that’s what needs to happen, if you’re an immobile beginner. I’ve been working on my ankle mobility since I was a pubescent teenager for other sports. My femurs just track ridiculous distance over my ankles, I’d need to exceed 45 degrees dorisflexion and for thee last several years, all I’ve been getting out of mobility training is impingements. In fact my original sport of parkour basically has you impinge your toes to your fucking shins at times. That said I can’t imagine Layne Norton just needs to “fix his ankle mobility” to squat upright, he’s a record holder last I checked. I don’t want to come across as rude, it’s just this is a bit of a sore topic
@@fleshmotorcycle9427 tbf you are wasting your time. They told you that it is not a problem to have long femur because there are tall lifters who squat upright. They fell to understand that what matters is not how tall you are but the shin/femur and femur/torso. If you are tall but got long shin and torso then you have no problem. Quite Amazing how ppl fail to understand that what matters is proportion and not height.
@@lev8541 I agree, but I’d argue there’s tall, and there’s proportional. Perhaps most of the time they go hand in hand, but in the example of Layne and Lasha, I’d argue that despite the obvious, they are built proportionately different to one another irrespective of physical size. Doesn’t mean to say I don’t think layne couldn’t squat more upright or more conventionally ‘correct’ but it will never look or be as most Olympic weightlifters. Just my 2 pennies on an interesting topic.
My man the quads are still involved in squatting 300kg with an upright torso. The quads don't just stop working, I said it's a solid indicator of leg drive in high bar squatters as often when higher level lifters have some knee valgus it's accompanied by a maintenance of forward knee position. Look at the squat at 2:40 with 310 for example. Internal rotation is needed to hit greater depth at the bottom of the squat which is accompanied by forward knee position which is a chance for greater quad use.
Knee valgus happens when the knee abductors fire. Firing of the medial glute causes abduction which is the opposite of knee valgus that is driving the knee out. The glute max can contact in both positions
I mean, im just being technical. Your video stated that knee valgus is the use of leg drive in the squat. Im not doubting your knowledge in biomechanics and movement patterns. Im just simply stating that knee valgus is the bodys way of utilizing glutes. Im just nit picking really.
@@GrandpaDon69 no the video didn't say that. it said "we will see some small knee valgus, which is a solid indicator of quad recruitment, coupled with the fact that we see a relatively forward shin angle as he begins to rise from the bottom" you're doing a pretty s h i t job of being technical.
That last clip of Tian imitating powerlifters was funny , solid video
Another random guy who has the need to mention powerlifting in a weightlifting video
@@SebaRoz123 🤡
Appreciate the video and all of your content. Can you go over a lifter who isn’t built for squatting can improve? Or how to make adjustments based on leverages
His squat is freaking perfect. Excellent depth.
As always great video!
Excellent advice
Always happy to see my favorite Strongman Adam Paul.
Running the RTA maintenance program at the moment, so this is rather timely (perfect time to plant a few new queues) ... thanks!
Great video
I don't know what art is but this (Tian's squat and the analysis) is it.
Loving the 'lift' music
Verry good
can you do a squat technique video for kuo hsing chun as well???
There's one factor I think needs mentioning. If you focus solely on "knees forward" during the descent, what will happen to most people is they will run into a wall of dorsiflexion limit around parallel. This will result in a relative rearward movement of the hips right before hitting the hole, which causes the lifter to do the good morning pattern on the way up to stay balanced and not fall backwards. So while focusing on the knees during the ascent is key, I think focusing on the hips on the way down is incredibly useful, to "give your knees room" to travel forward. I think Eoin misses this because he has never had to squat with bigass femurs.
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@@sikastrength Maybe I'm misinterpreting I just wish it were clearer. The cue I'm specifically looking for is to actually purposefully allow some torso incline i.e. "sitting back" on the way down, similar to how you'd cue a low bar squat. Surprisingly I find it makes the lifter end up being _more_ upright in the end because their torso angle ends up being very consistent. Maybe this is what you mean, or maybe you think differently about it. It's all very subjective in the end.
Is this an excerpt from the upcoming squat book?
I wonder if there’s a scale that shows the best squat stance and bar placement based on length of limbs and torso. Like actual measurement ranges / ratios.
I'm a short guy (175cm) and my squat technique is exactly a mix between Tian Tao and Gabriel Sincraian
things we can learn from chinese overhead position (head, elbows, wrist position) should be next topic
Professor Layton music!
Professor Layton and the Diabolical Dorsiflexion
1:32 you put Allen in the video..aww
3:19 😂😂😂
Disliking this video on all my devices to mess with the algorithm.
Liking it just bring back balance to the algorithm
Stop, don't do this.. I HAVE THE HIGH GROUND!
hello there
What we can learn - be born with long torso, short femurs.
Hahahah so true
and to train hard without excuses
his torso and femurs look normal to me.
It looks like an excuse...
Yes he looks on the short side, 5’6” ish. A tall dude squatting the same weight is rare if not unheard of
Not trying to start controversy here lads, but how come Fitz talks about keeping toes forward? I've tried this and found it to really uncomfortable for me. Something like what Tian is doing in this video here always feels more natural and comfortable for me.
This technique looks as awkward, as a close grip bench with a regular bar. Lifting a lot of weight like that is impressive, but still...
Toshiki`s technique seems so much comfortable.
I think some of that may just come from the way toshiki it built
@@durrantmiller8810 exactly this. they're hyper aware of their body movement mechanics since theyve been doing these movements since early age. they're always 'in the groove' every time they perform them, and the 'groove' never changes.
@@Innocence44 Toshikis squat tecique has changed several times though
What do you mean "but still"? I don't see what's awkward about a 300kg+ squat with perfect form.
Do you have any advice for squatting with a herniated disc? Other than "don't do it"?
Ask a sports physical therapist is the only relevant advice.
@@GenericUssername Seconded.
Front squats are your friend
@@GenericUssername only useless advice. Even if he knows what's best (I doubt he does), he will always tell you to stop training forever, or to do like 20kg squats, regardless of your situation. Daire is literally a weighlifting coach, pretty sure he knows what's up.
@kirihara they literally tell everyone to go to a sports physio for injuries because people bug them about it and they're not medical specialists who know the severity of the injury and medical history associated with the people. It's like tearing your ACL and going to your rugby coach asking him about recovery techniques. Glad you can speak on their behalf on whether they can or should give medical advice though.
The first mistake was squatting with iron cast plates
Everyone that watches this is going to be like "bUt fEmUr lEnGtH"
yuge squats
Layne Norton unfortunately is exactly how I’m built. Believe me I’d love to squat like Tian but it’s literally not gonna happen.
Improve your ankle mobility and learn to push your knees as far over your toes as possible. The longer your femurs the more ankle mobility you proportionally need to get into the same positions as Tian Tao. It is possible, just you’ll need to work at it a lot more work and put a lot more effort into it than someone like Tian Tao.
I understand that’s what needs to happen, if you’re an immobile beginner. I’ve been working on my ankle mobility since I was a pubescent teenager for other sports. My femurs just track ridiculous distance over my ankles, I’d need to exceed 45 degrees dorisflexion and for thee last several years, all I’ve been getting out of mobility training is impingements. In fact my original sport of parkour basically has you impinge your toes to your fucking shins at times.
That said I can’t imagine Layne Norton just needs to “fix his ankle mobility” to squat upright, he’s a record holder last I checked. I don’t want to come across as rude, it’s just this is a bit of a sore topic
And that’s why I front squat like it’s my religion these days
@@fleshmotorcycle9427 tbf you are wasting your time. They told you that it is not a problem to have long femur because there are tall lifters who squat upright. They fell to understand that what matters is not how tall you are but the shin/femur and femur/torso. If you are tall but got long shin and torso then you have no problem. Quite Amazing how ppl fail to understand that what matters is proportion and not height.
@@lev8541 I agree, but I’d argue there’s tall, and there’s proportional. Perhaps most of the time they go hand in hand, but in the example of Layne and Lasha, I’d argue that despite the obvious, they are built proportionately different to one another irrespective of physical size.
Doesn’t mean to say I don’t think layne couldn’t squat more upright or more conventionally ‘correct’ but it will never look or be as most Olympic weightlifters.
Just my 2 pennies on an interesting topic.
Technique number 1, have short legs lol dude is like an ant man though. Can lift like almost 10 times his body weight.
Knee valgus is the bodys use of glute activation, NOT legs. It is the use of internal rotation during the stage of the squat when ascending.
My man the quads are still involved in squatting 300kg with an upright torso. The quads don't just stop working, I said it's a solid indicator of leg drive in high bar squatters as often when higher level lifters have some knee valgus it's accompanied by a maintenance of forward knee position. Look at the squat at 2:40 with 310 for example. Internal rotation is needed to hit greater depth at the bottom of the squat which is accompanied by forward knee position which is a chance for greater quad use.
Knee valgus happens when the knee abductors fire. Firing of the medial glute causes abduction which is the opposite of knee valgus that is driving the knee out. The glute max can contact in both positions
I mean, im just being technical. Your video stated that knee valgus is the use of leg drive in the squat. Im not doubting your knowledge in biomechanics and movement patterns. Im just simply stating that knee valgus is the bodys way of utilizing glutes. Im just nit picking really.
@@GrandpaDon69 no the video didn't say that. it said "we will see some small knee valgus, which is a solid indicator of quad recruitment, coupled with the fact that we see a relatively forward shin angle as he begins to rise from the bottom"
you're doing a pretty s h i t job of being technical.
@@dustinirwin1trust me bro.
The most important in all that: short legs, hips shorter than shins, long torso.. That's the whole secret😁
this guy talks like he doesnt even lift