Also why not incentivize premades too so since they’re dealing with a bigger challenge give them a little more honor or something. Similar to RBGs of retail.
“Real pvp” is pvp out in the world when you’re running around farming, fishing, exploring. That’s real pvp. All the best fights I’ve ever had in wow from 2004 until now took place in that setting.
World PvP is everyone’s favorite. Instance currently if for rep grind. So it’s better to stack grp. Now at 40(maybe) but definitely at 60 that changes. Classes get more tools, healers get insane you will be at a block just trying to death ball. It always breaks into groups. You saw this in Ascension and Wrath classic. But world PvP is goat for sure
Completely agree that that’s the real PvP. My favorite are the player organized city raids! Will never forget storming.. STORMwind, back in 2004. It was the most fun I think I ever had playing any game ever. We took the keep and it just rocked, eventually a defense was mounted and we were pushed out- but man, what a BLAST. Since that day I have been dreaming of a World of Warcraft with more War in the world! For example @tullfarley4962 I have heard rumors that when players used to Raid Undercity (also back in 2004/5) Lady Sylvannas surprisingly had all these secret abilities & she was very challenging to take down-- sooo what I always wished they did and hope they’ll do (the servers should be able to handle this by now)- IS take some of the empty cities and turn them into HIGHLY REWARDING Attackable/Defendable & Ownable/Losable towns. Furthermore, don’t you dare tell me that this is not how WoW should be.. I played/watched the first Warcraft in 1994! (one of my earliest memories). When I first learned that there would be battlegrounds- I was very disappointed… Warfronts were such an awesome idea too, and I think they should bring them back in Open World and just refine them a bit. So yeah, a man boy can dream 😅
I played for first few days when got to 25 before pre-made became a thing, had so much fun only playing pug vs pug then pre-made started and it stopped being fun. Casual WSG is alot of fun but doesn’t exist now sadly
@@hooddrobinya AV sucks. There’s never a clash anymore, it’s base and boss rush. If you’re not a druid or rogue, maybe a Nelf with shadowmeld, who can sneak around and backcap stuff to get into some small scale fights, it’s really boring
I mean im still getting realy fun games as a pug... maybe 1 out of 4 games is a normal tie game is hella fun... the other 3 is just deathball roller like u said. But nowone talks about those good games that still happens.. but yea seperate the premade/pug
I have played like 7 games of WSG total in SoD. All 7 of them against premades. I just /AFK, got no attention span for that shit. Haven't played WSG since.
I got exalted with wso, and I would say 8 out of 10 were premades. The initial clash in mid would usually let you know if it was a bad premade. I beat just 3 of more than 100+. Usually, after the initial clash, most just hung out in the graveyard.
I’ve gotten pretty lucky with my random solo ques but it is incredibly frustrating to have afk people on your team sandbagging. I really hope they add measures to kick afk players faster.
I believe the problem is the loser of the match doesn’t get reputation. So if you’re gonna lose you wanna lose quick and get into the next match. If the losing side got some rep it would t be a complete waste of time if you lose, I think people would put up more of a fight that way.
wsg and pvp 'contests' went south with the advent of marks. prior to AV wsg gave nothing for losing. you had to score flags or win outright for rep and honor. HKs were incidental and not worth farming bc nobody was high enough rank to matter to 'farm' yet. it was faster to lose and requeue yes but ultimately those with that mindset never bothered trying next game either. classic is worse because it's all about honor/hour. even premades will throw to get slow games over because you're impeding their intended rate.
I am really disappointed with the current state of bg. However in my experience it’s fully possible to beat premade but as premade it often ruins the morale of the enemy pug team. I am very interesserted to see how they are gonna change bg since they announced they would be making changes, idk if it affects premade. In my experience if both teams has one healer for example then pugs can win. I think arathi is gonna be more interesting than warsong. Also i am trying to get exalted with warsong, my buddy did it with only pug groups and he refuses to do another warsong after he got exalted.
The beginnings of launches are always the best cuz nothing is well organized. Later on as the game progresses people from groups and actually strategize to win or wait. Happens constantly
I really hope they fix this. If you're in a party, you should get put up against other parties, if youre solo queued, you should get put up against other pugs. Nobody wants to play for 15 minutes and maybe get 2 kills while getting t bagged the entire time.
the reason we give up if its a premade is because communication gives you such a massive advantage that it's not even worth trying and turtling just makes you take longer to inevitably lose. you could have a team in all questing greens vs full raid gear and if they have a shot caller the questing greens will win.
It's even worse as horde dude. Going up against a premade with 3 priests and 2 paladins is literally the definition of toxic. I 100% agree with you. The good news, they fixed this in phase 2. Any group with 5+ get matched up with another group of the same. Good luck fella.
I do see a lot of premades, however like 1 out of 5 games is a solid 10v10 pug. I had a 59m all out battle the other day that we won 3 to 1 where everyone was actually trying
I think if anything there are less games because people get discouraged for Qs. I think premades should be in a separate Q. So premade vs premade and pug vs pug
Yea i wanted to play but was lame with getting rolled by premades... so... I've just made new characters to diversify and have fun vs the pvp i was hoping to enjoy
I got Rank 3 in a single day by just doing premades. Was super fast and got what I needed, but was zero fun. Haven’t been able to drag myself back into bgs
Yep super disappointed how wsg went during phase 1, as a warlock it’s been tough to get a pre-made so I’ve been soloing. 2000 rep left to do and I’m happy to never do another WSG ever
they should add the time limit or something like that, or make that premades can only get against premades random pug may not be perfect, but at least they arent miserable to play
Thats how pvp in WSG always was...premades and deathrolls...if one team is too dominant the other just lets them win or gets pharmed in the GY. Better to be the roller than the roll-e.
Same, sure a lot of the time it’s gg. Doesn’t mean it’s a team on coms with a target caller and such. But when it is good lord does that drain the fun out of it when you’re solo qued.
I totally agree and most the premades are LFG groups and might as well be a pug expect for comp. If some coordination I imagine most "premades" could be beat by a pug
I played for a week at 25 and walked away, I most likely won’t go back but it was a good try. Ret felt clunky. Wotlk talents but didn’t feel like wotlk play.
Back when litch king came out I discovered pvp battlegrounds i was like 11 at the time as a night elf hunter and i would farm soo many kills outside pvp battlegrounds i would always get dicked on tho
Just join a premade. You will be fighting other premades at least 50% of the time. It was fun doing the exalted grind for me. Was playing a rogue mainly on defense.
Ho fatto circa una decina di BG in sod, ho finito per vincerne 2 di numero, essere cmq sergeant, e ho fatto semplicemente random pvp, sperando in qualche kill, ma il nostro team era completamente disorganizzato quasi sempre
I honestly think it's a bad implementation of capture the flag. Along with too many people grinding the mode not because they think it's enjoyable, but because they want the reward such as the tabard.
Oh I'm not worried about wins. Join any old premade and you pretty much garuntee a win. It's that the pugs just get destroyed and give up. So its not fun on either side
I like the competitiveness of a premade vs premade. It is the most fun I have in WSG by far when it's a very close competitive game. But that means premades getting matched together, not with pugs
It should be a fairly balanced contest between factions. Instead, it is incredibly unbalanced. It is funny to hear someone on the Alliance side saying how much it sucks because on the Horde side we always think it is unique to us. I would love to see premades get matched up with other premades, but nope. Blizzard could have fixed some things in WG for SOD, but no. They just cut a whole bunch of employees so it is likely going to get far worse before it gets better.
@@morphiousTV The only problem with that though is the thing that the majority of PvP players crave an uneven match (@morphiousTV is a small minority that does not) where they are superior to their opponent. Separate Qs won't work because it is the lure of premade vs pug that the premade players crave. They would just pug alone.
Almost all the ppl who enjoy pvp are exalted on their mains and don't want that same grind on their alt. And to me WSG is bad pvp, AB is true pvp so most are just recharging their batteries for AB. I finish my 2nd exalted toon today and I'm dreading the last 23 wins lol
@@morphiousTV Sweaty vs sweaty premade are some of the most fun games, that's the point of competition. When you're in a premade with chill people and know what they're doing PvP can be really fun. I've experienced PvP communities through classic and now SoD. Depends on the people and the approach. Turning classic into retail isn't the solution.
Part of the problem with WSG, is they Ena led the lev 40 gear. Wsg when it first came out just had some random blues and no really great gear available. It was for fun. The game is 20 years old, people know how to do everything and it's now just a grind for rep to get the bracers at level 40. It isn't pvp, it's just a rep grind and people will do it the most efficient way, which is to join a premades and stomp. Doesn't really bother me, "pure pvp" hasn't existed in 15 years anyway and it isn't coming back.
SoD had been really dissapointing so far, bots, pre made bg groups and the fact it does feel like a budget version or retail, have really killed all the initiate hype I had for this game mode, and pretty much made it unplayable, atleast for me, but I hope the rest of you out there enjoy it :)
When im in pugs and the team instantly spreads out like roaches when the light comes on right out of the gate its over 90% of the time. Better pvp outside of Astranaar
Yup. Try explaining to people that the only difference usually between a pre made and random group is that, the initial "im gonna go over this way for no apparent reason while the enemy team stays in one huge group haha". Yeah maybe if WE were all in a group too our side doesn't fall apart instantly. The second people are "spreading" after gates open its as you say, already lost lol premades just move together, pugs can do that too but people refuse to.
So few playing actually know how to pvp or want to. They just want that rank 3 cloak. The path of least resistance becomes the meta. Either that or their Dads were win traders!
this is what happens when ppl min max sht of og the game... max honor, max rep effectiveness.. This is why I never really liked BGs on Blizz Official servers and focused on arenas since TBC
@@morphiousTV Yeah I don't understand why they are clinging onto what Vanilla was. We never asked for Vanilla 2.0 we asked for classic + No one has EVER liked these big Ashenvale/ Wintergrasp events in ANY variation of the game. It feels bad when there's so many people you feel like you fighting hardly makes a difference. You could AFK and win or try and do well but still lose. 10v10 guild RBGs?! THAT would feel engaging! You could actually feel your impact in a 10v10 and you could track your progress with an MMR system so you have an idea of where you stand.
Its what happens when you put strong PVE items behind PVP, the PVE scrubs make it about them. Most pugs leave after 1 lost teamfight too they get the illusion that pug stomping makes them a god, when in reality it just exposes that they think it’s an accomplishment to premade into pugs..
Idk why people are acting so brand new with premades, like it hasn’t been happening for over a decade. If you can’t compete, accept your participation token and move on to the next. Don’t be too butthurt because you can’t get 9 friends together to save your life.
I premade no problem, I am in a premade this video. The bigger issue is that all the games are premade vs pugs. So either ways it's boring. Stomping a pug is boring, being in a pug that gives up immediately is boring
People just want to pub stomp, nobody wants premade v premade or pub v pub... you're video even vindicates me because all of them were saying fighting a premade osnt fun
The funny thing is i actually beat u when u were in a 10 man premade and i was soloq. Qab was my name, almost got me once. But sadly u guys were rly bad so game was like 20 min long and we won lol
probably a pug, I have solo Qed a handful of times. I don't think I have lost in a premade yet. Unfortunately it's not very fun without setting up a solid premade vs premade. I think I remember your name Qab, what class? Hopefully you are having fun out there though :)
I will say that very competitive premades of 10 very good players VS 10 very good players are some of the best and most fun pvp I have done and seen before on Classic Era. So not all premades are bad
WSG is a joke of a pvp mode. Zero skill expression when you need 9 other players to roll pugs and stack resilient. Blizz should just stick to the raid content.
They should just seperate Premades and randoms. Thats it
I 100% agree, that alone would significantly improve the quality of the WSG matches
@@morphiousTVand you would see less premades in general as I reckon most of them (if not all) are rep grind ones. So faster tags in pug too
Also why not incentivize premades too so since they’re dealing with a bigger challenge give them a little more honor or something. Similar to RBGs of retail.
Spot on bro. I’m Horde and I stopped joining bgs because we suck so bad at it.
They will add that to phase 2
“Real pvp” is pvp out in the world when you’re running around farming, fishing, exploring. That’s real pvp.
All the best fights I’ve ever had in wow from 2004 until now took place in that setting.
Lol sounds like someone who's shit in arenas.
world pvp is a my favorite
arenas and WSG tournaments are the peak of competitive pvp for sure
World PvP is everyone’s favorite. Instance currently if for rep grind. So it’s better to stack grp. Now at 40(maybe) but definitely at 60 that changes. Classes get more tools, healers get insane you will be at a block just trying to death ball. It always breaks into groups. You saw this in Ascension and Wrath classic. But world PvP is goat for sure
Completely agree that that’s the real PvP. My favorite are the player organized city raids! Will never forget storming.. STORMwind, back in 2004. It was the most fun I think I ever had playing any game ever. We took the keep and it just rocked, eventually a defense was mounted and we were pushed out- but man, what a BLAST. Since that day I have been dreaming of a World of Warcraft with more War in the world! For example @tullfarley4962 I have heard rumors that when players used to Raid Undercity (also back in 2004/5) Lady Sylvannas surprisingly had all these secret abilities & she was very challenging to take down-- sooo what I always wished they did and hope they’ll do (the servers should be able to handle this by now)- IS take some of the empty cities and turn them into HIGHLY REWARDING Attackable/Defendable & Ownable/Losable towns. Furthermore, don’t you dare tell me that this is not how WoW should be.. I played/watched the first Warcraft in 1994! (one of my earliest memories). When I first learned that there would be battlegrounds- I was very disappointed… Warfronts were such an awesome idea too, and I think they should bring them back in Open World and just refine them a bit. So yeah, a man boy can dream 😅
I played for first few days when got to 25 before pre-made became a thing, had so much fun only playing pug vs pug then pre-made started and it stopped being fun. Casual WSG is alot of fun but doesn’t exist now sadly
I'm hyped for when we get to AV it was always my favorite in vanilla
AV is basically PVE at this point. Both teams will rush enemy boss and end the game in 8-10 minutes.
@@hooddrobinya AV sucks. There’s never a clash anymore, it’s base and boss rush. If you’re not a druid or rogue, maybe a Nelf with shadowmeld, who can sneak around and backcap stuff to get into some small scale fights, it’s really boring
I mean im still getting realy fun games as a pug... maybe 1 out of 4 games is a normal tie game is hella fun... the other 3 is just deathball roller like u said.
But nowone talks about those good games that still happens.. but yea seperate the premade/pug
I am glad to hear that you are still getting some good games man that’s awesome
I have played like 7 games of WSG total in SoD. All 7 of them against premades. I just /AFK, got no attention span for that shit. Haven't played WSG since.
Sorry to hear that man, thats rough
@@morphiousTV Fr. Hopefully phase 2 has a solution for this tho
same
I got exalted with wso, and I would say 8 out of 10 were premades. The initial clash in mid would usually let you know if it was a bad premade. I beat just 3 of more than 100+. Usually, after the initial clash, most just hung out in the graveyard.
I’ve gotten pretty lucky with my random solo ques but it is incredibly frustrating to have afk people on your team sandbagging. I really hope they add measures to kick afk players faster.
I agree being able to kick AFKers faster would be helpful
@@3walterwhite yeah the voting does make the kick so faster
I believe the problem is the loser of the match doesn’t get reputation. So if you’re gonna lose you wanna lose quick and get into the next match. If the losing side got some rep it would t be a complete waste of time if you lose, I think people would put up more of a fight that way.
Yeah that has always been a problem in WSG, especially for those that are trying to grind rep
@@3walterwhite true there is some rep but it is considerably less
wsg and pvp 'contests' went south with the advent of marks. prior to AV wsg gave nothing for losing. you had to score flags or win outright for rep and honor. HKs were incidental and not worth farming bc nobody was high enough rank to matter to 'farm' yet. it was faster to lose and requeue yes but ultimately those with that mindset never bothered trying next game either.
classic is worse because it's all about honor/hour. even premades will throw to get slow games over because you're impeding their intended rate.
Easiest way to fix it is to limit it to a group queuing and not a raid, 5 people limit
This has been the case for WOW since it's inception and MMOs prior to it's existence.
I am really disappointed with the current state of bg. However in my experience it’s fully possible to beat premade but as premade it often ruins the morale of the enemy pug team.
I am very interesserted to see how they are gonna change bg since they announced they would be making changes, idk if it affects premade. In my experience if both teams has one healer for example then pugs can win.
I think arathi is gonna be more interesting than warsong.
Also i am trying to get exalted with warsong, my buddy did it with only pug groups and he refuses to do another warsong after he got exalted.
The beginnings of launches are always the best cuz nothing is well organized. Later on as the game progresses people from groups and actually strategize to win or wait. Happens constantly
I really hope they fix this. If you're in a party, you should get put up against other parties, if youre solo queued, you should get put up against other pugs.
Nobody wants to play for 15 minutes and maybe get 2 kills while getting t bagged the entire time.
the reason we give up if its a premade is because communication gives you such a massive advantage that it's not even worth trying and turtling just makes you take longer to inevitably lose. you could have a team in all questing greens vs full raid gear and if they have a shot caller the questing greens will win.
It's even worse as horde dude. Going up against a premade with 3 priests and 2 paladins is literally the definition of toxic. I 100% agree with you. The good news, they fixed this in phase 2. Any group with 5+ get matched up with another group of the same. Good luck fella.
sweet! that is exciting!
I do see a lot of premades, however like 1 out of 5 games is a solid 10v10 pug. I had a 59m all out battle the other day that we won 3 to 1 where everyone was actually trying
hey that is awesome, I am glad to hear it! As long as its pug vs pug or premade vs premade and players are actually trying, I am happy
That sure does seem exactly how i remember WSG during vanilla. 🤷
Can’t wait for arathi basin and stv man gonna feel way better after this
Yeah, I am really looking forward to STV world pvp, will be a lot of fun
How would that affect the game? Don’t think there would be a drastic reduction in games all around going forward?
I think if anything there are less games because people get discouraged for Qs. I think premades should be in a separate Q. So premade vs premade and pug vs pug
They need 2 queues. Premades go in one, pugs in the other.
I agree
When it's Pug vs Pug it's fun. When Premades show up you suffer
They need to make a separate bracket for premade and to gain extra honor or somethin
Yea i wanted to play but was lame with getting rolled by premades... so... I've just made new characters to diversify and have fun vs the pvp i was hoping to enjoy
Arenas would be lit. That way I could coordinate better with my friends and not a bunch of quiet random dudes on discord
arena would be awesome!
I got Rank 3 in a single day by just doing premades. Was super fast and got what I needed, but was zero fun. Haven’t been able to drag myself back into bgs
dang, that is to and you didn't have any fun man
Yep super disappointed how wsg went during phase 1, as a warlock it’s been tough to get a pre-made so I’ve been soloing. 2000 rep left to do and I’m happy to never do another WSG ever
It’s been like this for 20 years my friend
Usually more balanced in my experience
Open world pvp > WSG
I agree
they should add the time limit or something like that, or make that premades can only get against premades
random pug may not be perfect, but at least they arent miserable to play
Open the floodgates on the ranks plus queueing fixed and wsg would look a lot different for both styles
WSG as a druid: THIS IS MY ISLAND!
hell yeah
Thats how pvp in WSG always was...premades and deathrolls...if one team is too dominant the other just lets them win or gets pharmed in the GY. Better to be the roller than the roll-e.
As a horde player, I get pretty disgusted at the rate at which people roll over because of pre-mades.
Same, sure a lot of the time it’s gg. Doesn’t mean it’s a team on coms with a target caller and such. But when it is good lord does that drain the fun out of it when you’re solo qued.
I totally agree and most the premades are LFG groups and might as well be a pug expect for comp. If some coordination I imagine most "premades" could be beat by a pug
ROLL I say. Pansies
I think I played 20 games and got rolled by premades each time before I just stopped.
seems to be most peoples experience
I played for a week at 25 and walked away, I most likely won’t go back but it was a good try. Ret felt clunky. Wotlk talents but didn’t feel like wotlk play.
Back when litch king came out I discovered pvp battlegrounds i was like 11 at the time as a night elf hunter and i would farm soo many kills outside pvp battlegrounds i would always get dicked on tho
Just join a premade. You will be fighting other premades at least 50% of the time. It was fun doing the exalted grind for me. Was playing a rogue mainly on defense.
I have only been Qing with premades recently, did a few pugs and yeah not doing that
Unless you’re not a Hunter, Warrior or priest 😂
I found it nearly impossible to find a premium to join.
try "/join lookingforgroup" and also the WSG Qing area, usually people advertising
I searched for the enemy names to be so big in my setting but couldnt find it. Could you tell me pls?
sure, settings > search > "name" > scroll to bottom > its a bar you can move 0 -100, I keep mine at 20
Ho fatto circa una decina di BG in sod, ho finito per vincerne 2 di numero, essere cmq sergeant, e ho fatto semplicemente random pvp, sperando in qualche kill, ma il nostro team era completamente disorganizzato quasi sempre
It's been years since you could reliably get into a BG and have good balanced fights with random people
idk on classic era we get some pretty good pug vs pug games with some sweaty players
The best pvp is open world running across someone and fighting.
Some bg’s do well at replicating that. But others don’t.
I totally agree with you
The main reason people are doing wsg is for the rep. So premades are a must if you wanna win
Seems so
As a resto druid I get the shit kicked out of me every WSG.
that sucks man, sorry to hear it
this game was min maxed to oblivion, first thing community removed was fun for the sake of efficiency
I honestly think it's a bad implementation of capture the flag. Along with too many people grinding the mode not because they think it's enjoyable, but because they want the reward such as the tabard.
If rated BGs where a thing WSG would be fine
agreed!
I do partial premades of 4-6 guildies. We steamroll the premades. Don't know what youre talking about, just bring your raid healer w/ you lol.
Oh I'm not worried about wins. Join any old premade and you pretty much garuntee a win. It's that the pugs just get destroyed and give up. So its not fun on either side
Get rid of premades all together lol. It’s always been like this. Was the worst on private servers. Scratch premades.
I like the competitiveness of a premade vs premade. It is the most fun I have in WSG by far when it's a very close competitive game. But that means premades getting matched together, not with pugs
It should be a fairly balanced contest between factions. Instead, it is incredibly unbalanced. It is funny to hear someone on the Alliance side saying how much it sucks because on the Horde side we always think it is unique to us. I would love to see premades get matched up with other premades, but nope. Blizzard could have fixed some things in WG for SOD, but no. They just cut a whole bunch of employees so it is likely going to get far worse before it gets better.
I think it would be 100% better if pre-mades were in a different Q. So then it would match pugs with pugs and premades with premades
@@morphiousTV The only problem with that though is the thing that the majority of PvP players crave an uneven match (@morphiousTV is a small minority that does not) where they are superior to their opponent. Separate Qs won't work because it is the lure of premade vs pug that the premade players crave. They would just pug alone.
The state of playing against premades ruined my desire to pvp.
Almost all the ppl who enjoy pvp are exalted on their mains and don't want that same grind on their alt. And to me WSG is bad pvp, AB is true pvp so most are just recharging their batteries for AB. I finish my 2nd exalted toon today and I'm dreading the last 23 wins lol
Just start a premade?
Im in a premade in this video. Winning is not the issue, it’s that it’s boring on either end
@@morphiousTV Sweaty vs sweaty premade are some of the most fun games, that's the point of competition. When you're in a premade with chill people and know what they're doing PvP can be really fun. I've experienced PvP communities through classic and now SoD. Depends on the people and the approach.
Turning classic into retail isn't the solution.
Part of the problem with WSG, is they Ena led the lev 40 gear. Wsg when it first came out just had some random blues and no really great gear available. It was for fun. The game is 20 years old, people know how to do everything and it's now just a grind for rep to get the bracers at level 40. It isn't pvp, it's just a rep grind and people will do it the most efficient way, which is to join a premades and stomp. Doesn't really bother me, "pure pvp" hasn't existed in 15 years anyway and it isn't coming back.
You can do good pvp at any level with any gear, just depends on who is fighting. There are some fantastic hyper competitive WSG games in Classic Era
Wow has the most give users ever
I think it’s because the game pushes PvErs to play PvP and they don’t want to or don’t know how but just do it to grind rep
Same thing for years and years. Premades should only go against other premades
I have seen that in other forms of the game but never to this extent
SoD had been really dissapointing so far, bots, pre made bg groups and the fact it does feel like a budget version or retail, have really killed all the initiate hype I had for this game mode, and pretty much made it unplayable, atleast for me, but I hope the rest of you out there enjoy it :)
The pvp aspect come into play when your premade hits another pre-made. Solo que is pointless.
Agreed, its pretty much the only way to have fun in WSG atm
When im in pugs and the team instantly spreads out like roaches when the light comes on right out of the gate its over 90% of the time. Better pvp outside of Astranaar
I have had a similar experience
Yup. Try explaining to people that the only difference usually between a pre made and random group is that, the initial "im gonna go over this way for no apparent reason while the enemy team stays in one huge group haha". Yeah maybe if WE were all in a group too our side doesn't fall apart instantly. The second people are "spreading" after gates open its as you say, already lost lol premades just move together, pugs can do that too but people refuse to.
Ill be the first to say it i hate a wsg that lastes 25 mins unless its close game. Im there for the glorious w not the hks. 5 min wsgs are preferred
One of your favorites… there’s only three bug’s. And wsg sucks without a timer.
I want arenas please!
that would be awesome
So few playing actually know how to pvp or want to. They just want that rank 3 cloak. The path of least resistance becomes the meta. Either that or their Dads were win traders!
I believe it
this is what happens when ppl min max sht of og the game... max honor, max rep effectiveness.. This is why I never really liked BGs on Blizz Official servers and focused on arenas since TBC
they need to do better on all AFKing its even the meta in ashenvale its horrible
I do see a lot of asking in Ashenvale. Sometimes I am just out there for 1v1s and I still get rep while not evening participating in the event
Its always a disappointment, once one flag is capped people tend to start being toxic and start going afk.
seen that before for sure
Ez, remove premades
Welcome to WoW 2004 in 2024
lol
Can't please everyone
How you gonna have a pvp game with no mmr in 2024?
We need arenas and RBGs if we're gonna call wow a pvp game.
rated BGS and arena would fantastic and I think everyone would love it, truly
@@morphiousTV Yeah I don't understand why they are clinging onto what Vanilla was.
We never asked for Vanilla 2.0 we asked for classic +
No one has EVER liked these big Ashenvale/ Wintergrasp events in ANY variation of the game.
It feels bad when there's so many people you feel like you fighting hardly makes a difference. You could AFK and win or try and do well but still lose.
10v10 guild RBGs?! THAT would feel engaging! You could actually feel your impact in a 10v10 and you could track your progress with an MMR system so you have an idea of where you stand.
Its what happens when you put strong PVE items behind PVP, the PVE scrubs make it about them. Most pugs leave after 1 lost teamfight too they get the illusion that pug stomping makes them a god, when in reality it just exposes that they think it’s an accomplishment to premade into pugs..
very good point
Imagine be hype by wsg in 2024 kek
WSG is a classic
Idk why people are acting so brand new with premades, like it hasn’t been happening for over a decade. If you can’t compete, accept your participation token and move on to the next. Don’t be too butthurt because you can’t get 9 friends together to save your life.
I premade no problem, I am in a premade this video. The bigger issue is that all the games are premade vs pugs. So either ways it's boring. Stomping a pug is boring, being in a pug that gives up immediately is boring
Take rep out of wsg so you get people that want to actually pvp not afk farm rep. Ashenvale is way faster rep farm anyways
People just want to pub stomp, nobody wants premade v premade or pub v pub... you're video even vindicates me because all of them were saying fighting a premade osnt fun
Because premades suck the life out of the game for random games.
Like that little whiner “i just want my rep easy and done” pathetic
Almost unplayable atm
This is a problem in Ascension WoW as well and it WoW early on, so I guess it is a problem not easy to fix.
Another alliance pre-made how lame eyeroll
horde is doing the exact same thing, you just can't see it from the horde side other than in LFG
The funny thing is i actually beat u when u were in a 10 man premade and i was soloq. Qab was my name, almost got me once. But sadly u guys were rly bad so game was like 20 min long and we won lol
probably a pug, I have solo Qed a handful of times. I don't think I have lost in a premade yet. Unfortunately it's not very fun without setting up a solid premade vs premade. I think I remember your name Qab, what class? Hopefully you are having fun out there though :)
wsg is the only unplayable bg.
I think most bg’s are trash. Just wait till rbg in cata
would love rated BGs
Premades good if you suck at pvp
Good players play alone don’t want to share their honor
I will say that very competitive premades of 10 very good players VS 10 very good players are some of the best and most fun pvp I have done and seen before on Classic Era. So not all premades are bad
I simply quit the game as it is, premades are ruining wsg. You are a part of the problem sadly.
WSG is a joke of a pvp mode. Zero skill expression when you need 9 other players to roll pugs and stack resilient. Blizz should just stick to the raid content.
Is anyone really still surprised this game is trash now 😹
I got into a premade and got rolled by another premade 🫠