Deep feral is actually very good in pvp with the right gear. The issue is how extremely gear dependent they are and how difficult they are to play competently compared to NS builds. There is little room for error since you don't just have a second health bar in your back pocket as you do with NS. The thing is against rogues and warrior bear form is used a hell of alot, against caster its mostly cat form, you gotta be like water, its just you will encounter alot more rogues and warriors out there.
I was feral through rank 12 before the patch, as Jadefrost in Whitmane! Glad to see someone else pull it off better than I could. I always had fun, though, and believed in the potential.
this makes me miss the good ol days of 2019, right before classic launch, when we all gathered on a duel private server to play 60 1v1s and 2v2s was so good
Mark of Tyranny or Backhand's Breadth? Help me decide. I'm learning towards Blackhand's as it is good threat per second for tanking anyways and I like to PVP. Though for PVP I'll likely be using trinkets with an on use effect anyways, so may not have Blackhand's equipped all the time. So not sure if I should just got Tyranny since it is BiS for mitigation tanking. Such a tough decision!!
Personally I chose Mark of Tyranny but the points you make about Blackhands are valid as well. If I had to choose again I would STILL choose Mark of Tyranny for these reasons: 1. While both are useful in the early stages of end game content, you will eventually be replacing Blackhand's with DPS trinkets like DFT, Slayer's Crest, Kiss of the Spider, etc. Albeit those are going to be very hard to acquire in the first place there are still plenty of low hanging fruit available outside of raid (Rune of the Guard Captain, HoJ, Earthstrike, etc) 2. Mark of Tyranny stays useful for tanking and mitigation forever. I still use it to tank Naxx and have never switched it out for another trinket. You could in theory craft a Smoking Heart of the Mountain as an enchanter for a similar amount of armor on a trinket (150 instead of 180 and no dodge) but personally, I think it's an unnecessary trade off. Unless you are really determined to cat DPS Mark of Tyranny will have more value, assuming you are willing to do more bear things in raid. A tanking role (for me) has been the best way to acquire all the other feral raid gear. Now you could heal or dps and acquire feral pieces as well, especially in a GDKP, but I just prefer tanking and back in classic was rolling for gear MS>OS so being a feral tank was how I was included into those rolls. 3. Like you said, in a PvP setting both trinket's are not going to be as useful as just rotating on use trinket's. So IMO PvP needs shouldn't really be factored into the decision. Ultimately it is still preference and at the end of the day it isn't going to make or break your character. But just looking at how often I used Mark of Tyranny over the years I cannot recommend Blackhand's Breadth over it. Good luck on your decision I hope this helps!
@@wowairheart Thanks mate, those are great points. I will go for Mark of Tyranny then, as I do really enjoy tanking on my druid too! Will be crafting a smoking heart of the mountain too, so will be able to use both initially. Appreciate the advice.
Of course! Since this build is a deep feral / omen of clarity spec we are trading survivability for burst. Since it's PvP it depends on what class you are fighting and how many enemies there are but the general rule that I find works for me: VS Clothies/Leather: Ravage -> Shred -> Ferocious Bite. VS Plate/Mail use bleeds instead. This means Pounce -> Rake -> Rip -> Moonfire (if there's time) -> Bear Form. In PvP there are so many moving parts that there is no set rotation for anything though, so it's hard to give a simple rotation in comments. Generally speaking those 2 strategies are what I aim for. If omen of clarity procs, you want to use that free cast for an extra shred almost every time. If you are in a pinch, War Stomp (Tauren), Nature's Grasp, Bash (Bear form) are basically your main ways to create distance and heal. Almost always go for a max rank Regrowth -> Rejuv when healing mid fight. The thing about playing Druid is that there is always so many options in a fight that it really is very situational. And there are many situations where I am not following an exact rotation but just trying to stay close to those 2 strategies for using energy efficiently as possible. You'll learn as you play this spec that VS clothies you have a more offensive/burst strategy while VS armor classes you have a more bleed/survival strategy. I hope that can help!
i love this video man, sorry to ask but that’s the second trinket you’re wearing around 0:44. The one to the right of the screen. Seen it on other druid pvp videos, but can’t seem to find it.
Thanks mate! At 0:44 the trinket on the right is the class trinket from BWL, Rune of Metamorphosis: www.wowhead.com/classic/item=19340/rune-of-metamorphosis
@@wowairheart i liked your content so much i rolled a druid on deviate delight which is going through a project called “refresh” also read all your replies on this video and im so impressed. Thank you for making era the amazing game it is. 💖💖
I immediately knew the vid was good when I saw those juicy omen one shots in the beginning. Nothing to add or ask about gameplay. Im only curious how did you get good gear (Atiesh) are you maintank/GM?
In Vanilla I tanked and acquired all the gear and 21 splinters. Then I came back to Classic Era a couple years later and ran GDKPs for the rest. It was not easy for me to complete as I don't have a main raid and regularly raid. In general, hen I do raid I prefer tanking though.
@@justinturner5272 Here is the IceHUD Import settings: docs.google.com/document/u/6/d/e/2PACX-1vRBUOlMB6g9Zz3dfcmlaXRg0m1WLqkiYN3foiurJfIBXiTkHwUIS-hKoQgI_GizEa-ydib18ZYH3sF5/pub
In the top left on the target frame I have enemy buff durations using ClassucAuraDurations. On the center right I am keeping track of enemy cooldowns with OmniBar.
There is an addon called Bartender that has options to disable elements of the traditional blizzard UI. In short, I disabled the Micro Menu, disabled Bag Bar, and the Blizzard Art Bar in the back to half size. The rest is just moving the already existing bars around and changing sizes. Hope the short explanation helps, I think I will make a video about my UI in the future.
I got you brother, music (in order): Skeler - Everything is Right (ft Devilish Trio) NOVO - IM UPSET Sublab & Azaleh - Blue Hour Avenged Sevenfold - Remenissions (Instrumental)
It's actually not a private server, it's Blizzard's Offiical Classic Era servers. They are on the Blizzard Classic servers. They are basically permanent Phase 6 servers. They are still very active and have raiding guilds, battlegrounds and world PvP.
In Classic Era, any class with budget gear will feel sort of bad because many people are running around full BiS and in Phase 6 Naxx/AQ40 epics. However, if you embrace the druid playstyle of not relying on being the best at any one thing, you can find a way to survive and be effective in PvP situations. You will always have to accept that druid is a jack of all trades master of none sort of class, resulting in many strengths but also weaknesses. As far as 5% hit gear for feral goes, the lowest hanging fruit are: Head: Mask of the Unforgiven / Blooddrenched Mask Belt: Belt of Preserved Heads Gloves: Primal Batskin Gloves Wrist: Blackmist Armguards / Primal Batskin Bracers Chest: Primal Batskin Jerkin Cloak: Zulian Tigerhide Cloak Trinket: Rune of the Guard Captain (Horde Only) Shoulders: Truestrike Shoulders Ring: Tarnished Elven Ring These are solid upgrades for a fresh 60 and any combination of them is fine. Most are dungeon and ZG gear. As a feral you just want as many stats as possible, prioritizing stamina, and securing that 5% hit minimum for PvP.
@@wowairheart hybrid gear is accessible with blues but lack stam. Also do you think crit/agi is more valuable in pvp than in pve ? (where it is roughly = to str/ap)
@@sylvainbonnamy987 It's hard to say because I'm not really an expert on the stat weights, but I'd bet that crit/agi are better in PvE than PvP since in PvP you'll want more stam and even int. I find that people tend to sacrifice a lot of int/mana for a little more AP/crit and it ends up being a downside because it limits your options during fights. Less shifts, less heals, less moonfire damage kind of a thing.
dude youre a frickin gangsterrr on druid and i always wanted to see a feral play at this level. i would actually pay you to coach me how to get better if youre interested.
I basically use two types of macros across feral attacks. 1 is for stealth openers, a targetnearestenemy macro. And 1 is for all other main attacks, and is a simple startattack macro. >>>The opener macro looks like this (using Pounce as the example) : #showtooltip Pounce /targetnearestenemy /cast Pounce This allows you to spam your opener while in stealth when you're stealth vs stealth, and will help you quickly snap target someone in front of you and open. It should also be used for Ravage. >>>And the startattack macro looks like this (using Shred as the example): #showtooltip Shred /startattack /cast Shred This macro ensures that you are always autoattacking. This is useful in PvE and PvP. For example, when you are engaging a target spamming Shred but haven't got behind your target yet, you will often miss out on auto attack damage because normally you won't start autoattacking until you actually land that first Shred. I highly recommend making all of your Cat and Bear form attacks startattack macros. So Claw, Shred, Rake, and Maul are all a must. I recommend making your Faerie Fire (Feral) a startattack macro also, since ideally you are spamming it in combat and sometimes initiating with it. Other than that, I am not really using any macros. I have a few meme ones that do silly things like /giggle when I war stomp but nothing that affects combat besides the two mentioned above. I hope that helps!
@@isaksvendsen483 Here is the IceHUD Import settings: docs.google.com/document/u/6/d/e/2PACX-1vRBUOlMB6g9Zz3dfcmlaXRg0m1WLqkiYN3foiurJfIBXiTkHwUIS-hKoQgI_GizEa-ydib18ZYH3sF5/pub
I play on Turtle WoW, where the devs gave polearms and 2h maces in the game feral attack power. I currently run Eye of Nerub (second only to Atiesh because they did NOT put feral AP on Might of Menethil for some reason), and yeah, feral slaps HARD. Oh, wolfshead helm effect was turned into a helm enchant, so you can wear normal helms and still powershift. Feral is brutally good on that server. They even gave us "berzerk," which acts like adrenaline rush while in cat form, or last stand in bear form. Feral is soooo damned fun on Turtle WoW, it's not funny! Restos got tree of life form, and Boomies got 3% spell hit from talents and 20% mana cost reduction while in Moonkin form, so no matter what you do as druid, it's better on Turtle WoW. For pvp, I can either sit back and throw 3k+ starfires with my soulkeeper staff, or I can go feral. HOTW/NS is kind of bullshit on our realm, because tier 2.5, which is kind of essential for the best play in that spec, was turned into a pure boomy set with no agility or strength. Seriously, check out Turtle WoW! Oh yeah, last quality of life upgrade, no world buffs allowed in raids anymore, but paladin and shaman buffs can stack, and horde and alliance can raid together.
Sorry guys but rose tinted goggles. The video is showing all lesser geared players with the only classes being displayed as Mages, Warriors and Ret Paladins. Naxx geared players very quickly reduce the disparity and once you see a Warlock or S Priest it's all over. Not to mention you can't kill healers as a Druid. Sad but true. Plus if you aren't Swiftmend a Rogue will destroy you out of bear and even in Bear with Naxx gear.
no one is saying that druids are A tier here. we all know and acknowledge that they are B or less. you are arguing with yourself it seems. no one cares that druids aren't meta or S tier. this video is still badass, and druids still take a ton of skill. out of curiousity, what tier would you put them in and what other classes/specs would be there with them?
![Spoh - Rival [Feral Hybrid Vanilla WoW Montage]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/byF32oDiEYc/mqdefault.jpg)
You have an excellent taste of music, sir! Gameplay also looks like a lot of fun!
the midair tidal charm into 5 point ferocious bite at the very end 👌👌👌
Nice , first video I see where feral seems actually viable and not sitting in bear all the time xD
😂 I was about to comment the same thing , this is practically the only video with out 1/3rd of the video just being some lame bear duel vs a warrior
It almost seems as if the right person picks up feral in any expansion that it just works
Almost if feral has a decent weapon they do dmg
Deep feral is actually very good in pvp with the right gear.
The issue is how extremely gear dependent they are and how difficult they are to play competently compared to NS builds.
There is little room for error since you don't just have a second health bar in your back pocket as you do with NS.
The thing is against rogues and warrior bear form is used a hell of alot, against caster its mostly cat form, you gotta be like water, its just you will encounter alot more rogues and warriors out there.
I wonder if it has anything to do with him having the best weapon in the entire game?
impressive skill and even greater sound design man, you´ve got real talent.
I was feral through rank 12 before the patch, as Jadefrost in Whitmane! Glad to see someone else pull it off better than I could. I always had fun, though, and believed in the potential.
Hell yeah dude! Big dps! Gratz on Atiesh
Very sweet
This guy
this makes me miss the good ol days of 2019, right before classic launch, when we all gathered on a duel private server to play 60 1v1s and 2v2s
was so good
what a great video! i loved this one! it really makes me want to play a feral druid lol
Beautiful work my friend!
Mark of Tyranny or Backhand's Breadth? Help me decide. I'm learning towards Blackhand's as it is good threat per second for tanking anyways and I like to PVP. Though for PVP I'll likely be using trinkets with an on use effect anyways, so may not have Blackhand's equipped all the time. So not sure if I should just got Tyranny since it is BiS for mitigation tanking. Such a tough decision!!
Video was great too BTW! Last fight with the mage was intense.
Personally I chose Mark of Tyranny but the points you make about Blackhands are valid as well. If I had to choose again I would STILL choose Mark of Tyranny for these reasons:
1. While both are useful in the early stages of end game content, you will eventually be replacing Blackhand's with DPS trinkets like DFT, Slayer's Crest, Kiss of the Spider, etc. Albeit those are going to be very hard to acquire in the first place there are still plenty of low hanging fruit available outside of raid (Rune of the Guard Captain, HoJ, Earthstrike, etc)
2. Mark of Tyranny stays useful for tanking and mitigation forever. I still use it to tank Naxx and have never switched it out for another trinket. You could in theory craft a Smoking Heart of the Mountain as an enchanter for a similar amount of armor on a trinket (150 instead of 180 and no dodge) but personally, I think it's an unnecessary trade off. Unless you are really determined to cat DPS Mark of Tyranny will have more value, assuming you are willing to do more bear things in raid. A tanking role (for me) has been the best way to acquire all the other feral raid gear. Now you could heal or dps and acquire feral pieces as well, especially in a GDKP, but I just prefer tanking and back in classic was rolling for gear MS>OS so being a feral tank was how I was included into those rolls.
3. Like you said, in a PvP setting both trinket's are not going to be as useful as just rotating on use trinket's. So IMO PvP needs shouldn't really be factored into the decision.
Ultimately it is still preference and at the end of the day it isn't going to make or break your character. But just looking at how often I used Mark of Tyranny over the years I cannot recommend Blackhand's Breadth over it. Good luck on your decision I hope this helps!
@@wowairheart Thanks mate, those are great points. I will go for Mark of Tyranny then, as I do really enjoy tanking on my druid too! Will be crafting a smoking heart of the mountain too, so will be able to use both initially. Appreciate the advice.
@@ximbor1866 mot, smoking heart, timeworn mace and 2 armor rings comes in handy
Can you explain your rotations?
Of course! Since this build is a deep feral / omen of clarity spec we are trading survivability for burst.
Since it's PvP it depends on what class you are fighting and how many enemies there are but the general rule that I find works for me:
VS Clothies/Leather: Ravage -> Shred -> Ferocious Bite.
VS Plate/Mail use bleeds instead. This means Pounce -> Rake -> Rip -> Moonfire (if there's time) -> Bear Form.
In PvP there are so many moving parts that there is no set rotation for anything though, so it's hard to give a simple rotation in comments. Generally speaking those 2 strategies are what I aim for. If omen of clarity procs, you want to use that free cast for an extra shred almost every time.
If you are in a pinch, War Stomp (Tauren), Nature's Grasp, Bash (Bear form) are basically your main ways to create distance and heal. Almost always go for a max rank Regrowth -> Rejuv when healing mid fight.
The thing about playing Druid is that there is always so many options in a fight that it really is very situational. And there are many situations where I am not following an exact rotation but just trying to stay close to those 2 strategies for using energy efficiently as possible. You'll learn as you play this spec that VS clothies you have a more offensive/burst strategy while VS armor classes you have a more bleed/survival strategy.
I hope that can help!
@@wowairheart thats really helpful thanks!
i love this video man, sorry to ask but that’s the second trinket you’re wearing around 0:44. The one to the right of the screen. Seen it on other druid pvp videos, but can’t seem to find it.
Thanks mate! At 0:44 the trinket on the right is the class trinket from BWL, Rune of Metamorphosis:
www.wowhead.com/classic/item=19340/rune-of-metamorphosis
@@wowairheart i liked your content so much i rolled a druid on deviate delight which is going through a project called “refresh” also read all your replies on this video and im so impressed. Thank you for making era the amazing game it is. 💖💖
@@latuda4249 Wow, I love to hear that, it's good to know you're keeping the servers fresh! See you at the top!!
Bro what is that first song? Epic video, never seen a classic druid look better🔥
Thanks mate!
First song: Skeler - Everything is Right (ft Devilish Trio)
I immediately knew the vid was good when I saw those juicy omen one shots in the beginning.
Nothing to add or ask about gameplay. Im only curious how did you get good gear (Atiesh) are you maintank/GM?
In Vanilla I tanked and acquired all the gear and 21 splinters. Then I came back to Classic Era a couple years later and ran GDKPs for the rest. It was not easy for me to complete as I don't have a main raid and regularly raid. In general, hen I do raid I prefer tanking though.
Hey bud, been trying to make the same hp and rage aura, how did you fo that? Is it a wa?
If you're referring to the arc shaped lines on my UI, that is an addon called IceHUD. It's very customizable and tunable to your needs.
Ty
@@wowairheart
@@wowairheart do u have a profile for your current one?
@@justinturner5272 Here is the IceHUD Import settings:
docs.google.com/document/u/6/d/e/2PACX-1vRBUOlMB6g9Zz3dfcmlaXRg0m1WLqkiYN3foiurJfIBXiTkHwUIS-hKoQgI_GizEa-ydib18ZYH3sF5/pub
Nice video ,can you tell the name of addon that show when bouble end?
In the top left on the target frame I have enemy buff durations using ClassucAuraDurations.
On the center right I am keeping track of enemy cooldowns with OmniBar.
Cant imagine what dmg would be in SOD
how do you get your action bars like that? like without the bags and stuff?
There is an addon called Bartender that has options to disable elements of the traditional blizzard UI. In short, I disabled the Micro Menu, disabled Bag Bar, and the Blizzard Art Bar in the back to half size. The rest is just moving the already existing bars around and changing sizes.
Hope the short explanation helps, I think I will make a video about my UI in the future.
@@wowairheart yes please HUGE retail feral guy and decided to do classic because of fresh servers would love that UI video
can we get song names? i like the vibe.
I got you brother, music (in order):
Skeler - Everything is Right (ft Devilish Trio)
NOVO - IM UPSET
Sublab & Azaleh - Blue Hour
Avenged Sevenfold - Remenissions (Instrumental)
@@wowairheart thank you brotha ! Beautifully done btw on the PvP vid .
is it alot of people playing these whitemane private servers? Anything differs from normal blizzard classic relaunch with 6 phases?
It's actually not a private server, it's Blizzard's Offiical Classic Era servers. They are on the Blizzard Classic servers. They are basically permanent Phase 6 servers. They are still very active and have raiding guilds, battlegrounds and world PvP.
@notairheart oh ok, tanks for replying!
big dam!
Can you show the video how you using the keyboard
Do you think feral is ok on a budget gear ? Any tips to reach 5% hit for starter ? purr purr purr
In Classic Era, any class with budget gear will feel sort of bad because many people are running around full BiS and in Phase 6 Naxx/AQ40 epics. However, if you embrace the druid playstyle of not relying on being the best at any one thing, you can find a way to survive and be effective in PvP situations. You will always have to accept that druid is a jack of all trades master of none sort of class, resulting in many strengths but also weaknesses.
As far as 5% hit gear for feral goes, the lowest hanging fruit are:
Head: Mask of the Unforgiven / Blooddrenched Mask
Belt: Belt of Preserved Heads
Gloves: Primal Batskin Gloves
Wrist: Blackmist Armguards / Primal Batskin Bracers
Chest: Primal Batskin Jerkin
Cloak: Zulian Tigerhide Cloak
Trinket: Rune of the Guard Captain (Horde Only)
Shoulders: Truestrike Shoulders
Ring: Tarnished Elven Ring
These are solid upgrades for a fresh 60 and any combination of them is fine. Most are dungeon and ZG gear. As a feral you just want as many stats as possible, prioritizing stamina, and securing that 5% hit minimum for PvP.
@@wowairheart hybrid gear is accessible with blues but lack stam. Also do you think crit/agi is more valuable in pvp than in pve ? (where it is roughly = to str/ap)
@@sylvainbonnamy987 It's hard to say because I'm not really an expert on the stat weights, but I'd bet that crit/agi are better in PvE than PvP since in PvP you'll want more stam and even int. I find that people tend to sacrifice a lot of int/mana for a little more AP/crit and it ends up being a downside because it limits your options during fights. Less shifts, less heals, less moonfire damage kind of a thing.
dude youre a frickin gangsterrr on druid and i always wanted to see a feral play at this level. i would actually pay you to coach me how to get better if youre interested.
which nameplates do you use?
The addon is called Threat Plates, pretty customizable
@@wowairheart thank you :)
What is action bar addons name ?
Bartender
What a menace!
Do you use many macros dude? something i need help with myself 😅
I basically use two types of macros across feral attacks. 1 is for stealth openers, a targetnearestenemy macro. And 1 is for all other main attacks, and is a simple startattack macro.
>>>The opener macro looks like this (using Pounce as the example) :
#showtooltip Pounce
/targetnearestenemy
/cast Pounce
This allows you to spam your opener while in stealth when you're stealth vs stealth, and will help you quickly snap target someone in front of you and open. It should also be used for Ravage.
>>>And the startattack macro looks like this (using Shred as the example):
#showtooltip Shred
/startattack
/cast Shred
This macro ensures that you are always autoattacking. This is useful in PvE and PvP. For example, when you are engaging a target spamming Shred but haven't got behind your target yet, you will often miss out on auto attack damage because normally you won't start autoattacking until you actually land that first Shred. I highly recommend making all of your Cat and Bear form attacks startattack macros. So Claw, Shred, Rake, and Maul are all a must. I recommend making your Faerie Fire (Feral) a startattack macro also, since ideally you are spamming it in combat and sometimes initiating with it.
Other than that, I am not really using any macros. I have a few meme ones that do silly things like /giggle when I war stomp but nothing that affects combat besides the two mentioned above. I hope that helps!
@@wowairheart Thanks for your time brother!
Nice breakdown, simple to understand! will add this to my own gameplay. Great help!
You can make music video with the shred and the beat if you know how to edit
what add is that with your hp, energy, and mana on those half circles?
IceHUD. It's very customizable.
@@wowairheart is there any chance that u can share ur profile on it ? looks so good but im allready lost in all the settings xD
wow- thanks u sooo much ! will give this a try next time i log on
@@isaksvendsen483 Here is the IceHUD Import settings:
docs.google.com/document/u/6/d/e/2PACX-1vRBUOlMB6g9Zz3dfcmlaXRg0m1WLqkiYN3foiurJfIBXiTkHwUIS-hKoQgI_GizEa-ydib18ZYH3sF5/pub
where can i see u talents?
Copy and paste this link to see talents: classicdb.ch/?talent#0zLVhoZVxMsfbdtV
@@wowairheart ty bro
insane
1:20 ARTRIUSSSSSSS
druids has no weakness that's unbalanced
I play on Turtle WoW, where the devs gave polearms and 2h maces in the game feral attack power. I currently run Eye of Nerub (second only to Atiesh because they did NOT put feral AP on Might of Menethil for some reason), and yeah, feral slaps HARD. Oh, wolfshead helm effect was turned into a helm enchant, so you can wear normal helms and still powershift. Feral is brutally good on that server. They even gave us "berzerk," which acts like adrenaline rush while in cat form, or last stand in bear form. Feral is soooo damned fun on Turtle WoW, it's not funny! Restos got tree of life form, and Boomies got 3% spell hit from talents and 20% mana cost reduction while in Moonkin form, so no matter what you do as druid, it's better on Turtle WoW. For pvp, I can either sit back and throw 3k+ starfires with my soulkeeper staff, or I can go feral. HOTW/NS is kind of bullshit on our realm, because tier 2.5, which is kind of essential for the best play in that spec, was turned into a pure boomy set with no agility or strength. Seriously, check out Turtle WoW! Oh yeah, last quality of life upgrade, no world buffs allowed in raids anymore, but paladin and shaman buffs can stack, and horde and alliance can raid together.
Touch grass buddy
And risk my life? I'm only touching grass if it's in virtual reality buddy. 😉😉😉
3.3.5 ?
자유 의지랑 힐만줘도 2대1 그냥 개쳐바르겠구만
You don't see deep feral pvp vids because good players destroy them, unfortunately.
Sorry guys but rose tinted goggles. The video is showing all lesser geared players with the only classes being displayed as Mages, Warriors and Ret Paladins.
Naxx geared players very quickly reduce the disparity and once you see a Warlock or S Priest it's all over. Not to mention you can't kill healers as a Druid.
Sad but true. Plus if you aren't Swiftmend a Rogue will destroy you out of bear and even in Bear with Naxx gear.
th-cam.com/video/pLhiHuZtEa4/w-d-xo.html 👍
no one is saying that druids are A tier here. we all know and acknowledge that they are B or less. you are arguing with yourself it seems. no one cares that druids aren't meta or S tier. this video is still badass, and druids still take a ton of skill.
out of curiousity, what tier would you put them in and what other classes/specs would be there with them?