Great video John love both your channels on any bike especially a high performance bike like the RR maintenance is key. Over reving and not caring for the bike will definitely cause problems. Every brand/model has its own issues just be patient and break it it properly before doing mods
Hey bro i m from india and just picked the same bike last week and now following the breakin period and really enjoying your stuff thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge 👍
I own a 2024 M1000RR....so I have been watching every bit of information out there on all these failures (I have reached out to guys who had issues as well). The breakin, as defined by BMW, says that your breakin rev limiter can be removed between 350-750 miles and oil is changed. NONE of them were done before this (EVEN Motomillions was done after 350). The motor on the single R is NOT the same as the double R, Calimoto was a rod failure so its different than the others. With Motomillions, his was Brentuned, and his limiter was moved, and he had a single over-rev of 250 RPM.... We know of at least one that failed that had literally JUST completed his breakin period and had everything still stock on the bike...they found metal in the oil pan, and it was a failed bearing. IMHO, there is a possible bad batch of bearings or there is an issue with how owners are breaking in the Double R motor, with the 2 ring pistons there is a critical break in procedure. With the single R, the only known issues are the coils failing and the water pump issues that plague all european bikes (Ducati has same exact problem). The biggest issue that I see are dealers that deny a warranty claim if you have tuned the bike...whether it was the cause of failure or not....experiences have varied. AFAIK, Motomillions was the only motor that was denied motor replacement... The reliability of BMW IMHO is BEYOND good...look at how many are out there with 20-30k on them and are still in perfect running order and then look at the owners profile...I see so many that are simply ABUSED IMHO and are still rock solid. It seems like BMW is the brand that everyone likes to rev the crap out of at bike nights and try to watch flames come out the exhaust, etc.. I have seen major failures on every manufacturers bikes...I saw a Honda triple R with complete motor failure in the first 200 miles and the owner fighting to get it covered....it happens...and I dont see BMW being any different...its just that it has happened to a few people with large audiences and those 3 double R failures have been WIDELY publicized. Everyone keeps telling me that Fastlane D's failed...his was an issue with the shock and with a bad wheel...its NOT a motor issue. To me the S1000RR is a ROCK SOLID bike that has a very LOW percentage of failure when you look at the actual rate of issues (there are a LOT of them and aside from the coil and water pump, you dont hear of any "true" issues). THE M1000RR failure rate is a lot more concerning, as there are less than 5% of them made as compared to the S model, so the actual failure rate seems WAY HIGHER.....but I own one so I am way more sensitive to it... :D.
@@AceBoogie82 guess people are seeing the possibility of have bottom end issues and steering clear of them. I mean who wants to risk it, knowing you are going to tune it and modify something that they could potentially void the warranty over....
I completely agree with you on this. These bikes have actually been proven to be reliable as I know a few guys with 20-30 thousand miles with no issues. 2nd gen and 3rd gen. Some guys just abuse these bikes and don’t follow guidelines from BMW
John, it was great meeting you at Homecoming this year! I enjoy the combo of the Harley and Sportbike content. If at some point I could swing another bike other then my Harley I would pick up a Sportbike for fun.
Nice! I could not agree more! Take care of the bike and it will take care of you. Have just over 13k miles on my '21 RR, did the break-in service, put BT stage 2 at 800 miles, and 0 issues. About 4,500 miles are pure track miles as well.
Hey man, I’ve been watching your past few s1000rr videos and I couldn’t help but notice that we live in the same area, based on your riding footage and the style of houses. I have a 2023 s1000rr, same color combo as you too. I’m in the neighboring Paramus area. Would be able to hit up a ride!
I sure with the occasional exception of an obvious manufacturer defect, most failures are operator errors. Like any vehicle either car,bike etc the manufacturer schedule for maintenance needs to be followed to ensure reliability.
From personal experience I can say for a fact that the earlier revisions of this specific model had major problems. My 2020 engine blew up with a similar failure that you are seeing on the M1000RR. Hopefully they have solved for this issue in the 2024. I have been hearing that the 23/24 have been pretty solid.
I clean my bike every time I ride it! I use McGuires waterless carwash with wax. Every 500mi I use chainwax chain cleaner and pressure wash my chain and bike while I'm at it. I have a 22' Gsxr1000rz with 23k+miles on it. My chain and sprocket look brand new!
Glad to know I'm not the only crazy person. I do the exact same thing (different cleaning products), after every ride full wash, clean chain and lube it, and detail the bike.
I hope you have seen S1KRRAFA video on he's brand new M1000RR engine blown only at 830 miles,he didnt tune or rev bomb it,bmw did replaced a new engine for him under warranty...
And his wasnt tuned or even have an exhaust yet....HIS is the one that scares me (I also own an M1000RR). IMHO I think they have a defective bearing out there.
These bikes, like other new BMW cars, dive bomb in residual value and is the main reason I won't own one beyond them notoriously over the 2020-2023 model years being unreliable and breaking a ton. They also just depreciate like crazy on the used market.
Had no problem with old gen other than it was written off 😂 and new gen s1krr 2024 with just under 5k miles now and ride it like I’m being chased, no issues at all so far. Think proper maintenance and maybe not playing with settings too much other than full exhaust helps keep it reliable. I don’t map/flash my bikes as usually follow with issues
About the paint, those bikes are not cars, you can buy a 3rd party chinese fairings that looks great and replace them. They are made to be replaced because of falls while racing, so do that and forget about them. I have a 2018 since new, 10k miles already and never had a single issue with them, but more recent model had some problems.
I just got the red one last Saturday I’m 6,0 what rear sets you suggest the m rear sets are nice but I would like to match and the m rear sets are blue … your feed back would be appreciated
Hey man, I’m enjoying the Contant. I just picked up my brand new double R same as yours and I’m not that far from you. We should link up sometime and ride together.
Is the RR worth buying if you dont do track days, speeds past 150mph, little high-way riding? what Liter bike would be more efficient for daily riding mostly city?
Honestly, I want to decat it. However, with the decat I have to flash it/remmap the way you did with BT. But I spoke with UK BMW dealerships, and they told me that if something happens with the engine and we see it's flashed, the warranty won't cover it. If anything else outside the ECU fails, that's fine, but flashing/mapping the ECU and then something happens... GG! So, I am till growing a pair of balls to decat + flash the ECU after...
It's doesn't need a tune when you ditch the cat. Do the adaptations and let it relearn for a few rides and it will be fine. I tune my own 24 and the bike was lean as hell down low and rich as hell up top.
@@jasonisdn @FastRRak Thank you, boyz for the information. I will proceed with Arrow headers then without the flashing part. I really don't want to screw over and give eventual reason for the BMW to decline the warranty. Today I spoke with another rider that I met on a moto gathering location near London UK and he has 23 model, exactly like ours and he is riding it for 4k miles now without flashing but with Akra headers. He said no problems at all, just it might be more uneven at the cold start. Thank you again, boiz.
@@alishfitness anytime, and it you ever question the AFR values take it to a Dyno and just run it some and see if it's lean or rich. Since you are putting on a new pipe, maybe even go ahead and have a wideband installed. That way you can monitor it.
Believe me, the problem is not the bike rather the people themselves. As you mentioned they don't know how to properly ride/use the bikes. BMW shouldn't even sell the M bikes to noobs in the first place imo. They are bikes meant to ride on tracks with proper maintenance.
Hey guys, know that BMW offers a torque map. Raises the torque level at lower rpm while sacrificing upper end hp. Totally great, instead of a dip at 8k, it comes on HARD. Highly recommended and FREE from your dealer. And if you don’t like it, they are obligated to reverse it for free!
Definitely not, as I said, I’m not associated with the Brand in any way, but I know they pull the data off of ECU I don’t know how you got that from this video
I'm 9K in on mine. All I have to say is MAINTENANCE MAINTENANCE MAINTENANCE! I see so many people riding around with filthy bikes, dirty and worn out chains and sprockets, etc. Performing your maintenance on time prevents 90% of issues.
1100 miles is not much, it's brand new. The concerns I've read about are the engine fractures and electronic malfunctions due to rain. I had a coolant leak as soon as I bought my 2014 new. The servicing was also just too costly. Im from Australia. I had an overheating problem on my 2006 ZX6R when I got stuck in a tunnel in 40 degree Celsius heat. The bike was fine - the battery melted. That's why I trust the Japanese bikes. I've also been told the BMWs are made by cheap labour muslims in Germany. Not Germans. Stats say most people return to buy the BMW, and it has the best longevity of the brands. But it's lower down in terms of reliability after yam,honda,kawa,suzy.
all makes sense! did you say "F off" with the bike sir ? my ears pal !!! geeez. 600 miles service for a reason. in other words, don't be a Sandy 😂. sweet ride! investment for sure man! especially with channels etc. ADV bikes are for beating up not these types. good talk. c ya tmrw 9am in the driveway for my wash. thx pal. 🎉
Buy a Master Blaster for drying bikes/cars !! It will change your life!! Worth every penny??? Especially for people like you that submerge your bike while washing it👍
You make make too much sense lol. People are soo eager to tune and roll race these bikes. They where made for the track. Why would you want to raise the rev limit...its crazy the BT does that.
When I purchased my S1K, the dealer told me. . As soon as you put that Bren Tunning on your bike, your warranty will be void. BMW is very strict with these bikes for a reason. My bike already pack a lot of power, I do not need anymore power. Everything you said in this video is spot on 🫡
That's odd. My dealer laughed at me at my 1st service and said "you don't have the Bren on here yet???" I have a 22 and it's had 2 repairs under warranty. You can always find a BMW dealer that sells the handheld and installs it for you.
Ya yo the dealer told me the same thing there was a beat up piston in front of us he pointed at it and said that was from a 2023 s1000rr with bren tune,either way I void the warranty if I tune so 🤷🏻♂️
I love watching your videos. Relatable stuff and nothing forced or script reading etc
Great video John love both your channels on any bike especially a high performance bike like the RR maintenance is key. Over reving and not caring for the bike will definitely cause problems. Every brand/model has its own issues just be patient and break it it properly before doing mods
Hey bro i m from india and just picked the same bike last week and now following the breakin period and really enjoying your stuff thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge 👍
Welcome aboard! And thanks for
This video started playing and I thought it was Dana White telling me how reliable his RR is.😂
I closed my eyes and listened to him talk and I automatically see Dana white. 😅
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Me too almost instantly 😂😂
Thank you for the insight. Picking mine up 9/3/2024 can’t wait
Awesome good luck
I own a 2024 M1000RR....so I have been watching every bit of information out there on all these failures (I have reached out to guys who had issues as well). The breakin, as defined by BMW, says that your breakin rev limiter can be removed between 350-750 miles and oil is changed. NONE of them were done before this (EVEN Motomillions was done after 350). The motor on the single R is NOT the same as the double R, Calimoto was a rod failure so its different than the others. With Motomillions, his was Brentuned, and his limiter was moved, and he had a single over-rev of 250 RPM.... We know of at least one that failed that had literally JUST completed his breakin period and had everything still stock on the bike...they found metal in the oil pan, and it was a failed bearing. IMHO, there is a possible bad batch of bearings or there is an issue with how owners are breaking in the Double R motor, with the 2 ring pistons there is a critical break in procedure. With the single R, the only known issues are the coils failing and the water pump issues that plague all european bikes (Ducati has same exact problem). The biggest issue that I see are dealers that deny a warranty claim if you have tuned the bike...whether it was the cause of failure or not....experiences have varied. AFAIK, Motomillions was the only motor that was denied motor replacement... The reliability of BMW IMHO is BEYOND good...look at how many are out there with 20-30k on them and are still in perfect running order and then look at the owners profile...I see so many that are simply ABUSED IMHO and are still rock solid. It seems like BMW is the brand that everyone likes to rev the crap out of at bike nights and try to watch flames come out the exhaust, etc.. I have seen major failures on every manufacturers bikes...I saw a Honda triple R with complete motor failure in the first 200 miles and the owner fighting to get it covered....it happens...and I dont see BMW being any different...its just that it has happened to a few people with large audiences and those 3 double R failures have been WIDELY publicized. Everyone keeps telling me that Fastlane D's failed...his was an issue with the shock and with a bad wheel...its NOT a motor issue. To me the S1000RR is a ROCK SOLID bike that has a very LOW percentage of failure when you look at the actual rate of issues (there are a LOT of them and aside from the coil and water pump, you dont hear of any "true" issues). THE M1000RR failure rate is a lot more concerning, as there are less than 5% of them made as compared to the S model, so the actual failure rate seems WAY HIGHER.....but I own one so I am way more sensitive to it... :D.
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There are 2 in Greensboro NC that they have reduced the price on, M1krr. Only reduced by 1k so far. I was expecting them to be sold by now.
@@jasonisdnwe’ve got a few in Minnesota sitting on the floor
@@AceBoogie82 guess people are seeing the possibility of have bottom end issues and steering clear of them. I mean who wants to risk it, knowing you are going to tune it and modify something that they could potentially void the warranty over....
I completely agree with you on this. These bikes have actually been proven to be reliable as I know a few guys with 20-30 thousand miles with no issues. 2nd gen and 3rd gen. Some guys just abuse these bikes and don’t follow guidelines from BMW
John, it was great meeting you at Homecoming this year! I enjoy the combo of the Harley and Sportbike content. If at some point I could swing another bike other then my Harley I would pick up a Sportbike for fun.
Thanks, you too!
Nice! I could not agree more! Take care of the bike and it will take care of you. Have just over 13k miles on my '21 RR, did the break-in service, put BT stage 2 at 800 miles, and 0 issues. About 4,500 miles are pure track miles as well.
Wow that’s great
Hey man, I’ve been watching your past few s1000rr videos and I couldn’t help but notice that we live in the same area, based on your riding footage and the style of houses. I have a 2023 s1000rr, same color combo as you too. I’m in the neighboring Paramus area. Would be able to hit up a ride!
Email me
I sure with the occasional exception of an obvious manufacturer defect, most failures are operator errors. Like any vehicle either car,bike etc the manufacturer schedule for maintenance needs to be followed to ensure reliability.
Amazing video!!
Thank you!!
Agree with all your comments mate. Same attitude to you are riding. Following from the UK 👌
Thanks
From personal experience I can say for a fact that the earlier revisions of this specific model had major problems. My 2020 engine blew up with a similar failure that you are seeing on the M1000RR. Hopefully they have solved for this issue in the 2024. I have been hearing that the 23/24 have been pretty solid.
I clean my bike every time I ride it! I use McGuires waterless carwash with wax. Every 500mi I use chainwax chain cleaner and pressure wash my chain and bike while I'm at it. I have a 22' Gsxr1000rz with 23k+miles on it. My chain and sprocket look brand new!
Glad to know I'm not the only crazy person. I do the exact same thing (different cleaning products), after every ride full wash, clean chain and lube it, and detail the bike.
Are all BMWs ecu locked for 600 miles? If so do you have to pay for the unlock? Would you buy a used one? Love the new channel
I hope you have seen S1KRRAFA video on he's brand new M1000RR engine blown only at 830 miles,he didnt tune or rev bomb it,bmw did replaced a new engine for him under warranty...
And his wasnt tuned or even have an exhaust yet....HIS is the one that scares me (I also own an M1000RR). IMHO I think they have a defective bearing out there.
These bikes, like other new BMW cars, dive bomb in residual value and is the main reason I won't own one beyond them notoriously over the 2020-2023 model years being unreliable and breaking a ton. They also just depreciate like crazy on the used market.
Had no problem with old gen other than it was written off 😂 and new gen s1krr 2024 with just under 5k miles now and ride it like I’m being chased, no issues at all so far. Think proper maintenance and maybe not playing with settings too much other than full exhaust helps keep it reliable. I don’t map/flash my bikes as usually follow with issues
Question the headers . Were they installed before break in period or afterwards
I installed the headers after the first service
Thank you for another great video!
Thanks for watching!
About the paint, those bikes are not cars, you can buy a 3rd party chinese fairings that looks great and replace them. They are made to be replaced because of falls while racing, so do that and forget about them. I have a 2018 since new, 10k miles already and never had a single issue with them, but more recent model had some problems.
Where’s the first ride after BT tune at?? Hoping it’s the next one!🙌🏻🙏🏻
Coming next
I just got the red one last Saturday I’m 6,0 what rear sets you suggest the m rear sets are nice but I would like to match and the m rear sets are blue … your feed back would be appreciated
Can I adjust the stock rear sets I just want some thicker ones thank you for your videos
Enjoying my red ‘24 s1k. Stock, slipon only for looks
I tune all my bikes, even my 1250 GSA has a BT tune, but it destroys other GS’s, lol
Hey man, I’m enjoying the Contant. I just picked up my brand new double R same as yours and I’m not that far from you. We should link up sometime and ride together.
Email in video description
Is the RR worth buying if you dont do track days, speeds past 150mph, little high-way riding? what Liter bike would be more efficient for daily riding mostly city?
Honestly, I don’t think you need a litre bike
💯 agree.. 👍
Honestly, I want to decat it. However, with the decat I have to flash it/remmap the way you did with BT. But I spoke with UK BMW dealerships, and they told me that if something happens with the engine and we see it's flashed, the warranty won't cover it. If anything else outside the ECU fails, that's fine, but flashing/mapping the ECU and then something happens... GG! So, I am till growing a pair of balls to decat + flash the ECU after...
It's doesn't need a tune when you ditch the cat. Do the adaptations and let it relearn for a few rides and it will be fine. I tune my own 24 and the bike was lean as hell down low and rich as hell up top.
You don’t have to flush the bike if you put on the full header. The bike will run perfectly fine
@@jasonisdn @FastRRak Thank you, boyz for the information. I will proceed with Arrow headers then without the flashing part. I really don't want to screw over and give eventual reason for the BMW to decline the warranty. Today I spoke with another rider that I met on a moto gathering location near London UK and he has 23 model, exactly like ours and he is riding it for 4k miles now without flashing but with Akra headers. He said no problems at all, just it might be more uneven at the cold start. Thank you again, boiz.
@@alishfitness anytime, and it you ever question the AFR values take it to a Dyno and just run it some and see if it's lean or rich. Since you are putting on a new pipe, maybe even go ahead and have a wideband installed. That way you can monitor it.
Believe me, the problem is not the bike rather the people themselves. As you mentioned they don't know how to properly ride/use the bikes. BMW shouldn't even sell the M bikes to noobs in the first place imo. They are bikes meant to ride on tracks with proper maintenance.
Hey guys, know that BMW offers a torque map. Raises the torque level at lower rpm while sacrificing upper end hp. Totally great, instead of a dip at 8k, it comes on HARD. Highly recommended and FREE from your dealer. And if you don’t like it, they are obligated to reverse it for free!
Good to know thx
Whats better s1k 2017 or zx,gsxr ?
There all good.
Did you obtain any data for the rev bomb? Its basically hear say at this point. Sounds like you’re taking the dealer side over consumer.
Definitely not, as I said, I’m not associated with the Brand in any way, but I know they pull the data off of ECU
I don’t know how you got that from this video
Hey bro, using race pro modes yet?
Will be diving into that next
Hey bro what is your other channel?
Cycle Fanatix
Me watching these reliability issues with a Gen 3 Hayabusa like :|
I'm 9K in on mine. All I have to say is MAINTENANCE MAINTENANCE MAINTENANCE! I see so many people riding around with filthy bikes, dirty and worn out chains and sprockets, etc. Performing your maintenance on time prevents 90% of issues.
🥱 took to long to get to the point🤷🏾♂️
1100 miles is not much, it's brand new. The concerns I've read about are the engine fractures and electronic malfunctions due to rain. I had a coolant leak as soon as I bought my 2014 new. The servicing was also just too costly. Im from Australia. I had an overheating problem on my 2006 ZX6R when I got stuck in a tunnel in 40 degree Celsius heat. The bike was fine - the battery melted. That's why I trust the Japanese bikes. I've also been told the BMWs are made by cheap labour muslims in Germany. Not Germans. Stats say most people return to buy the BMW, and it has the best longevity of the brands. But it's lower down in terms of reliability after yam,honda,kawa,suzy.
Scan on mate
all makes sense! did you say "F off" with the bike sir ? my ears pal !!! geeez. 600 miles service for a reason. in other words, don't be a Sandy 😂. sweet ride! investment for sure man! especially with channels etc. ADV bikes are for beating up not these types. good talk. c ya tmrw 9am in the driveway for my wash. thx pal. 🎉
🤣🤣
Buy a Master Blaster for drying bikes/cars !! It will change your life!! Worth every penny??? Especially for people like you that submerge your bike while washing it👍
Thanks for the tip!
You make make too much sense lol. People are soo eager to tune and roll race these bikes. They where made for the track. Why would you want to raise the rev limit...its crazy the BT does that.
When I purchased my S1K, the dealer told me. . As soon as you put that Bren Tunning on your bike, your warranty will be void. BMW is very strict with these bikes for a reason. My bike already pack a lot of power, I do not need anymore power. Everything you said in this video is spot on 🫡
Thanks man
That's odd. My dealer laughed at me at my 1st service and said "you don't have the Bren on here yet???" I have a 22 and it's had 2 repairs under warranty. You can always find a BMW dealer that sells the handheld and installs it for you.
Ya yo the dealer told me the same thing there was a beat up piston in front of us he pointed at it and said that was from a 2023 s1000rr with bren tune,either way I void the warranty if I tune so 🤷🏻♂️
@@cyclefanatixsportlove this channel tho man im not too far from you we gotta ride sometime!
Every dealer is different. Some are more lenient than others.