“I hate Toscanini. I’ve never heard him in a concert hall, but I’ve heard enough of his recordings. What he does to music is terrible in my opinion. He chops it up into a hash and then pours a disgusting sauce over it. Toscanini ‘honoured’ me by conducting my symphonies. I heard those records, too, and they’re worthless. I’ve read about Toscanini’s conducting style and his manner of conducting a rehearsal. The people who describe this disgraceful behaviour are for some reason delighted by it. I simply can’t understand what they find delightful. I think it’s outrageous, not delightful. He screams and curses the musicians and makes scenes in the most shameless manner. The poor musicians have to put up with all this nonsense or be sacked. And they even begin to see ‘something in it’. (…) Toscanini sent me his recording of m Seventh Symphony and hearing it made me very angry. Everything is wrong. The spirit and the character and the tempi. It’s a sloppy, hack job. I wrote him a letter expressing my views. I don’t know if he ever got it; maybe he did and pretended not to - that would be completely in keeping with his vain and egoistic style. Why do I think that Toscanini didn’t let it be known that I wrote to him? Because much later I received a letter from America: I was elected to the Toscanini Society! They must have thought that I was a great fan of the maestro’s. I began receiving records on a regular basis: all new recordings by Toscanini. My only comfort is that at least I always have a birthday present handy. Naturally, I wouldn’t give something like that to a friend. But to an acquaintance-why not? It pleases them and it’s less trouble for me. That’s one of life’s most difficult problems- what to give for a birthday or anniversary to a person you don’t particularly like, don’t know very well, and don’t respect. Conductors are too often rude and conceited tyrants. And in my youth I often had to fight fierce battles with them, battles for my music and my dignity.” ― Dmitri Shostakovich, Testimony: The Memoirs
This wasn't in the underrated film TESTIMOMY. A film about Shostakovich using the memoirs as a basis. Ben Kingsley played Shostakovich! But no this wasn't in there. Would love to have gotten his views on Mravinsky...who premiered some of his works but could also be tough on Orchestras. Maybe a bit more like Reiner than Toscanini.
@@theboogie_monsta I guess so. I would've thought Italian culture but he was conducting the most visible (On Radio and TV) Orchestra in the US so.....oh YES! AT conducted a medley of national anthems that Verdi had prepared. HYMN OF NATIONS. With Jan Peerce as soloist.....it's on here somewhere....I think NBC (or someone) cut the Russian one and proceeded directly to the US national Anthem
The silence in the room after his outbursts is the sound of musicians dying inside. He truly makes the guy in Whiplash look like an angel in comparison.
At one time, there was an orchestra where the Principal Bass oriented new section hires to play earlier than written, shorter than written, and louder than written. The more you know about acoustic physics and perception, the more you can appreciate this advice.
Grandissimo direttore: non si discute. Uomo detestabile: e anche su questo non c'è dubbio. E bestemmiava pure. Oggi sarebbe semplicemente inaccettabile.
The musicians of the NBC SYMPHONY knew precisely what they signed up for so they tolerated it like pros. In this century, management would immediately step in, stop the rehearsal, and bring in a substitute Conductor.
@@leodreamguitar7463 Maybe....just better unions. Toscanini and Reiner had the authority to fire musicians on the spot. Toscanini knew he had great players....bitching them out was easier than firing and replacing them!
Definitely not! When you play with world-class conductors, you get paid accordingly. If you fuck up your parts repeatedly, you must endure the wrath. There is no "management" or HR stepping in. No conductor on that level would accept it, if some bureaucrats tell him how he should conduct himself (no pun intended).
@@sigurdkaputnik7022 Right.....THEN there wasn't.....there is NOW. Apparently in Europe it was worse. I read something about Furtwangler slapping someone.
Dude why do you think this shit is acceptable? "They knew what they signed up for" is the worst excuse for excessive derision by someone who is supposed to be a leader figure. Do you think this is productive? No, it's super unprofessional and he deserves the criticism imo
Good grief. I think I would have titled this video 'famous conductor completely loses his cool and screams at the double basses for two minutes straight'. It's excessive no matter how late they were. Not impressed by Toscanini's behavior here.
Just learnt an Italian culture point called bestemmie. And then I thought, well let's go back to those Toscanini tantrums videos and see if he had said any.
Oh my heaven's sake, Toscanini is brutal!! I can't imagine anyone wanting to have him as a conductor with outrages like that at his players! So sad how he belittles the orchestra players. 😠😳
John Coffee was a famous crusty trombone player in the Boston area. Once during a rehearsal under Toscanini, he remove the mouthpiece, and looked at the conductor through it. Toscanini stopped the orchestra and asked coffee what he was doing. The gruff coffee replied, 'I'm trying to find the beat."
I think a physicist needs to point out to Toscanini about the properties of sound. Low pitched sounds, no matter how fast they're played, always take longer to reach the ears.
in all fairness, as a former serious violinist in childhood, when id get pissed after making a mistake, id take the bow swear and whip my music with it. lol. i have lots of bow marks in my repertoire 😂.
bro, this is unnecessary. even musical notation software is not exact, let alone a simple human being. toscanini needs to calm down & take a deep breath
@@jaker9901it isn’t cattlefarming either. These are top class master musicians. This behaviour is completely unnecessary. Read what Shostakovich said about the “maestro”
@@martonkthey are screwing up on the easiest mistakes,if you were Toscanini trying to lead a orchestra through Puccini’s Turandot and they give a god awful performance,that not only ruins the show,but also disrespects the opera itself,there’s a reason why Toscanini is mad,and it’s not because he hates them,but because they’re playing like they’re trying out on the violin for the first time.
Did Toscanini care too much? His interest was always and only to achieve the highest possible standards in the artistic challenge at hand. And of the dozens of the major conductors of the 20th Century, how many are remembered today? And of them, there are no more than a very few still held in such reverence and extolled so universally as is Arturo Toscanini.
the guy should be glad Toscanini didn't fire him on the spot. If Toscanini is unhappy with how you play, you will rehearse that part until your fingers bleed. Otherwise you have no right to be there.
Si vede che voi buonisti non avete mai sentito un direttore di clinica Barone dei tempi d’oro in sala operatoria. Sapete, cari benpensanti , che nessuno se ne curava sul serio? La società era così . In ogni caso adesso si sentono cantanti o strumentisti fuori tempo e nessuno può dire niente! Sono dei coglionazzi ! Aveva ragione Toscanini .
Read what Shostakovich had to say about Toscanini’s abbrasive behaviour AT THE TIME. Was he too soft aswell? He is not today’s person. This style is excessive and cannot be defended. He is screaming at world class master musicians, not schoolchildren. He made a fool of himself with this disgraceful behaviour.
Exactly,if this was today ,Toscanini would have gotten kicked out and there would have been a new dumbass conductor who didn’t give a shit about performance.
@@laurababyyy1 That sounds like two extremes instead of what would likely happen. I never understood why some people find it necessary to use such an abbrasive tone with musicians (I'm not one) as if they were soldiers or football players or something.
@@martonkmusic is a delicate form,if Toscanini is furious about how you’ve played,you’re either kicked out or forced to play until your fingers bleed. It’s an exaggeration again,but a prime example on how to be a good conductor.as modern conductors today,they’re too whiny and babyish to learn how to be a good musician
@@martonktrust me,that build good work in them,you can’t expect a person to be perfect,hence why hammering it home to them works better,it’s my opinion though,you might have a different opinion
@@musicAle77 Im Italian bro. what is he blaspheming? The only time he mentions god is "Corpo di un dio" or "Corpo di un dio santissimo". Thats not blasphemy its a common phrase in italy.
Toscanini: the Gordon Ramsay of classical music (except even Gordon is more polite)
And is good at what he does
Toscanini would have eaten the piglet.
- Who is the idiot Bass Cello?
- I'm the idiot Bass Cello, Toscanini.
“I hate Toscanini. I’ve never heard him in a concert hall, but I’ve heard enough of his recordings. What he does to music is terrible in my opinion. He chops it up into a hash and then pours a disgusting sauce over it. Toscanini ‘honoured’ me by conducting my symphonies. I heard those records, too, and they’re worthless. I’ve read about Toscanini’s conducting style and his manner of conducting a rehearsal. The people who describe this disgraceful behaviour are for some reason delighted by it. I simply can’t understand what they find delightful. I think it’s outrageous, not delightful. He screams and curses the musicians and makes scenes in the most shameless manner. The poor musicians have to put up with all this nonsense or be sacked. And they even begin to see ‘something in it’. (…) Toscanini sent me his recording of m Seventh Symphony and hearing it made me very angry. Everything is wrong. The spirit and the character and the tempi. It’s a sloppy, hack job. I wrote him a letter expressing my views. I don’t know if he ever got it; maybe he did and pretended not to - that would be completely in keeping with his vain and egoistic style. Why do I think that Toscanini didn’t let it be known that I wrote to him? Because much later I received a letter from America: I was elected to the Toscanini Society! They must have thought that I was a great fan of the maestro’s. I began receiving records on a regular basis: all new recordings by Toscanini. My only comfort is that at least I always have a birthday present handy. Naturally, I wouldn’t give something like that to a friend. But to an acquaintance-why not? It pleases them and it’s less trouble for me. That’s one of life’s most difficult problems- what to give for a birthday or anniversary to a person you don’t particularly like, don’t know very well, and don’t respect. Conductors are too often rude and conceited tyrants. And in my youth I often had to fight fierce battles with them, battles for my music and my dignity.”
― Dmitri Shostakovich, Testimony: The Memoirs
This was my favorite quote since i first heard it😂
Holy shit thanks for showing us this!
This wasn't in the underrated film TESTIMOMY. A film about Shostakovich using the memoirs as a basis. Ben Kingsley played Shostakovich! But no this wasn't in there. Would love to have gotten his views on Mravinsky...who premiered some of his works but could also be tough on Orchestras. Maybe a bit more like Reiner than Toscanini.
For context this was the peak of the Cold War, Toscanini is a symbol of American culture, Shostakovich is Soviet.
@@theboogie_monsta I guess so. I would've thought Italian culture but he was conducting the most visible (On Radio and TV) Orchestra in the US so.....oh YES! AT conducted a medley of national anthems that Verdi had prepared. HYMN OF NATIONS. With Jan Peerce as soloist.....it's on here somewhere....I think NBC (or someone) cut the Russian one and proceeded directly to the US national Anthem
Toscasini is the type of guy who always screaming at deaf people.
I can't tell if you just roasted Toscanini or the double bass players lol
@@catherinejanet5806he roasted both
That's a rather stupid comment.
Sí. Y Toscanini era aún peor.
this made the rants in whiplash look mild
The silence in the room after his outbursts is the sound of musicians dying inside. He truly makes the guy in Whiplash look like an angel in comparison.
i was thinking of whiplash when i heard this 😭
he was bordering very closely blasphemy all along lmao.
nono a volte il porcamado partiva fratello
@@francescoromano5487 eh si
Toscanini: the destroyer of musicians and composers alike.
👍
Of course the double basses will always be late...they're one of the sections that's furthest away from the conductor.😜
At one time, there was an orchestra where the Principal Bass oriented new section hires to play earlier than written, shorter than written, and louder than written. The more you know about acoustic physics and perception, the more you can appreciate this advice.
@@billbusen different soundwaves ya know, it's more physics than timing as you said. It's just how nature works lol
You know it’s serious when he switches from Italian to English in seconds (who else came from twoset)
They played well in spite of him, not because of him.
Agreed
"Forte is piano and piano is forte" - memorable line from him
TOSCANONO, “you have no ears, no eyes” LMAO
YOU HAVE EARS IN…
uh
IN YOUR FEET!
Grandissimo direttore: non si discute. Uomo detestabile: e anche su questo non c'è dubbio. E bestemmiava pure. Oggi sarebbe semplicemente inaccettabile.
Peró se ci fai caso dice "corpo" di un Dio. 😊
è un anagramma.@@copernicofelinis
Which is why modern orchestras sound like shit. People focus too much on being politically correct rather than achieving the best.
The musicians of the NBC SYMPHONY knew precisely what they signed up for so they tolerated it like pros. In this century, management would immediately step in, stop the rehearsal, and bring in a substitute Conductor.
Weak society
@@leodreamguitar7463 Maybe....just better unions. Toscanini and Reiner had the authority to fire musicians on the spot. Toscanini knew he had great players....bitching them out was easier than firing and replacing them!
Definitely not! When you play with world-class conductors, you get paid accordingly. If you fuck up your parts repeatedly, you must endure the wrath. There is no "management" or HR stepping in. No conductor on that level would accept it, if some bureaucrats tell him how he should conduct himself (no pun intended).
@@sigurdkaputnik7022 Right.....THEN there wasn't.....there is NOW. Apparently in Europe it was worse. I read something about Furtwangler slapping someone.
Dude why do you think this shit is acceptable? "They knew what they signed up for" is the worst excuse for excessive derision by someone who is supposed to be a leader figure. Do you think this is productive? No, it's super unprofessional and he deserves the criticism imo
man, Toscanini sounds just like the iron shiek
Like it or not, the playing of the NBC under Toscanini was uniquely superb; nothing to match it today.
1:49 did he just came?
Hahaha. He did!
ROFLRFOFL
Good grief. I think I would have titled this video 'famous conductor completely loses his cool and screams at the double basses for two minutes straight'. It's excessive no matter how late they were. Not impressed by Toscanini's behavior here.
Just learnt an Italian culture point called bestemmie. And then I thought, well let's go back to those Toscanini tantrums videos and see if he had said any.
It's not an actual bestemmia here, but there's definitly the intention and the passion for it
Iwant to hear the basses part and can to see if they are late like Toscanini apunt.
Oh my heaven's sake, Toscanini is brutal!! I can't imagine anyone wanting to have him as a conductor with outrages like that at his players! So sad how he belittles the orchestra players. 😠😳
It's amazing what people will put up with for money.
Inadmissible un tel comportement ! Dans quel monde vivait Toscanini. ?
you are french and retarded i will tell you
This is what happens when you don't have your morning espresso
or had one too many!!
The brilliant example of the iconic toxic menegment 😅 No need to be rude
John Coffee was a famous crusty trombone player in the Boston area. Once during a rehearsal under Toscanini, he remove the mouthpiece, and looked at the conductor through it. Toscanini stopped the orchestra and asked coffee what he was doing. The gruff coffee replied, 'I'm trying to find the beat."
1:49
When that hawk tuah is too mean
Mitico ! O Madonna Santissima !! Contrabassi !! super GM
Corpo d'un dio!! gli piacevano gli anagrammi
they burned them so hard their instruments turned into charcoal
Chi non ha studiato mai musica, in maniera professionale, non può capire. Rispetto a Toscanini.
Fletcher in real life
I think a physicist needs to point out to Toscanini about the properties of sound. Low pitched sounds, no matter how fast they're played, always take longer to reach the ears.
in all fairness, as a former serious violinist in childhood, when id get pissed after making a mistake, id take the bow swear and whip my music with it. lol. i have lots of bow marks in my repertoire 😂.
Even his yelling is music 🎵🎶🎶🎶❤ uhhhhhh
Well, that's one way to get people to play with more accuracy. Yikes!
I mean, Reiner would just turn red and quietly fire people..
Parece que tiene usted alguna cuenta pendiente con Reiner.
io non resistevo, alla seconda che mi diceva gli andavo a muso duro al vechiaccio, e sarei rimasto nella storia come quello che gli ha risposto
nah, avresti perso l'opportunità di suonare per Toscanini, e quindi anche il posto di lavoro.
Do you get the impression he's just chillin'????
Who's here because of TwoSet
Me! 🙋♀
Ball Breakers!!!
Toscanini: the Lionfeld of Music
お、恐ろしい❗️しかし、流石❗️
Poor duble bass, but i love that man!
Fantastico. Documento fantastico. Grande Toscanini.
bro, this is unnecessary. even musical notation software is not exact, let alone a simple human being. toscanini needs to calm down & take a deep breath
@@jaker9901it isn’t cattlefarming either. These are top class master musicians. This behaviour is completely unnecessary. Read what Shostakovich said about the “maestro”
@@martonkthey are screwing up on the easiest mistakes,if you were Toscanini trying to lead a orchestra through Puccini’s Turandot and they give a god awful performance,that not only ruins the show,but also disrespects the opera itself,there’s a reason why Toscanini is mad,and it’s not because he hates them,but because they’re playing like they’re trying out on the violin for the first time.
Unbelievable!!!!!😂😂
Don't you think Toscanini was a mellow and docile Dude? 😏
Bruh not our fault our instrument takes .1 second longer to respond dahm
...and you must compensate for that,...
So you have to anticipate.
@@photo161
Exactly its like shooting
Did Toscanini care too much? His interest was always and only to achieve the highest possible standards in the artistic challenge at hand. And of the dozens of the major conductors of the 20th Century, how many are remembered today? And of them, there are no more than a very few still held in such reverence and extolled so universally as is Arturo Toscanini.
This is not how you do that
Only he was overrated.
@@nonenoneonenonenone👍👍
@@nonenoneonenonenone Not at all. Listen to his recordings
Fuck that shit.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
the guy should be glad Toscanini didn't fire him on the spot. If Toscanini is unhappy with how you play, you will rehearse that part until your fingers bleed. Otherwise you have no right to be there.
😳😰
Si vede che voi buonisti non avete mai sentito un direttore di clinica Barone dei tempi d’oro in sala operatoria. Sapete, cari benpensanti , che nessuno se ne curava sul serio? La società era così . In ogni caso adesso si sentono cantanti o strumentisti fuori tempo e nessuno può dire niente! Sono dei coglionazzi ! Aveva ragione Toscanini .
i wish we could talk like this to people at work...more would get done :)
absolutely based
Double based, no less
@@almightyhydra💀
🤣
And the big surprise...the fucking bass is FUCKINNNNNNNNNNG SLOW!!!
Toscanini was a genius. Today's people are too soft, but at that level, either you MUST have the guts to keep on working or you don't belong there.
Read what Shostakovich had to say about Toscanini’s abbrasive behaviour AT THE TIME. Was he too soft aswell? He is not today’s person.
This style is excessive and cannot be defended. He is screaming at world class master musicians, not schoolchildren. He made a fool of himself with this disgraceful behaviour.
Exactly,if this was today ,Toscanini would have gotten kicked out and there would have been a new dumbass conductor who didn’t give a shit about performance.
@@laurababyyy1 That sounds like two extremes instead of what would likely happen. I never understood why some people find it necessary to use such an abbrasive tone with musicians (I'm not one) as if they were soldiers or football players or something.
@@martonkmusic is a delicate form,if Toscanini is furious about how you’ve played,you’re either kicked out or forced to play until your fingers bleed. It’s an exaggeration again,but a prime example on how to be a good conductor.as modern conductors today,they’re too whiny and babyish to learn how to be a good musician
@@martonktrust me,that build good work in them,you can’t expect a person to be perfect,hence why hammering it home to them works better,it’s my opinion though,you might have a different opinion
He ain’t really saying “for the love of god” there…
This is Not nice 😢
Quel con!
Blasphemer
Do you even know what blasphemy is
@@simoli516 the subtitles are wrong bro, he's actually blaspheming and all that
@@musicAle77 Im Italian bro. what is he blaspheming? The only time he mentions god is "Corpo di un dio" or "Corpo di un dio santissimo". Thats not blasphemy its a common phrase in italy.
@@simoli516 you are right, when I heard this I thought I heard porco, now I heard it again. But still saying it in vain
@@musicAle77 yeah, he is saying it in vain, but blasphemy is completely different from using gods name in vain and its a way more serious offense