@@fgrcdefeatkiller7724 Yep. The CEO Bossman and the WASP History LARPer might have charisma but they certainly can't avoid projection. People love to talk about themselves... even unintentionally.
spikegilfer1997 I wonder how he uses them, considering that he can't leave his LS chamber for 10 seconds. And even if he can have sex via some sort of VR, I doubt that he is still interested in it after 200 years. It's most likely that he keeps them around just to talk to them and/or because of nostalgia.
Brotherhood Fan: "Durr! Hurr! Brotherhood is the best faction! Look at mah Power armor!" *headshot* Random Protag: "That was an anti-material round. I bought it for five caps at a kiosk near New Vegas."
After how much Bethesda has been cramming them in shows and new games, i gotta agree with house's resentment for that oversaturated group of Technophiles larping as knights and discount space marines.
The Fallout show had one of the Brotherhood characters say "We used to rule the wasteland." As if most of the time we haven't seen them basically live in a bunker and be a minor faction that's going to die out eventually. Bethesda just loves making them the center of attention because they're are out of ideas for making anything good and interesting.
@@Theo-hh1zo what's annoying is they weren't a major faction post fallout 1. in fallout 2, van buren and the original new vegas they were just a minor faction. i can excuse the enclave propping up everywhere in the us because they are united states government, so them having multiple facilities makes the most sense compared to the brotherhood, who were just an extremely small group of soldiers that became a cult. the elder in the show is a complete liar or a zealot given the brotherhood of steel was so small and pathetic, that the unity itself would have had no issue destroying them and that's not even a debate. Tim Cain himself said if the master won in fallout 1, the enclave would've decimated them with no issues while the brotherhood was infiltrated with unity cultists.
@@jack_The_ComicFan63 Exactly the future of this series is looking so bleak it ain't even funny. Bethesda changes the lore and setting so often filling it with their own garbage. Vaults 31,32, 33, and 4 in the show should've already been cracked open by the Master and his army considering they were literally by his hideout. The show wanted to retcon Fallout 1,2, and New Vegas all because the original creators of Fallout made better games than them. Todd Howard is literally doing damage control and lying about "threading the needle" with the lore when one of their writers said that we weren't beholden to what someone made twenty years ago.
It is actually getting ridiculous. The brotherhood is stronger than ever before and it’s getting really tiresome. A game where they are the main antagonists because they’ve been backed into a corner and have gone feral would be so much more interesting than how they’ve been consistently portrayed in Bethesda fallout.
@@DoctorWu23 You sure an automatically player-hostile faction approach to the Brotherhood of Steel would be more interesting than the compelling gray take we got in Fallout 4?
Regalecus glesne the fiends could be like the white legs from the honest hearts DLC. They could have just broken into a stash of them or buy them from the van graffs
@@regalecusglesne3022 1) They raided vault 3's armory (Lore reason) 2) Obsidian accidentally coded them to have energy weapons when they were supposed to use ballistic weapons (Real reason)
@@Plight_people tend to watch clips of shows, movies or games of specific scenes or moments they never get to fully watch, they get to judge it if it interests them or not.
I think an alliance between the Brotherhood and the NCR could work well; the Brotherhood would finally be able to put the technology that they've hoarded away to good use.
I'm sure he has an admin override. Besides, if who do you think Liberty Prime will be against? Computerised Walt Disney, or the tribe that steals US government property, steals food from hard working American farmers and distributes weapons, money and armour evenly amongst it's elite.
@@Nyx_2142 Source? Not refuting you Im genuinely curious how that came up. Didn't even know House made Liberty Prime tbh. I played Fallout 3 for awhile but never really got into it unlike FNV.
@@NotLordAsshat Oh ok. Not surprised he developed Liberty Prime because you would expect him to do that sort of shit. Was just curious what reason he may have to dislike Liberty Prime since Mr. House a...unique philosophy on things and he is usually unbothered by things.
@@mateoreyes6921 caesar is dumb piece of shit and ncr is bunch of corrupt morons soo side with mr house if you care about mojave but if you want to have fun side with yes men and kill every faction because its fun being evil
@@unclesam6325 For my Yes Man runs, I usually go for the diplomatic approach. It's perfectly possible for the people of the Mohave to live in peace together. Except the Brotherhood, who without the NCR to keep an eye on them, just resort to raiding the I-95. So I wipe them out, usually.
“Why would I want to destroy the NCR? They’re my best customers. If their leaders weren’t busy trying to steal Vegas from under me, I’d have no quarrels with them at all.”
I lost any sympathy for the Mojave BOS when I realized, if you convince Veronica to leave them, they slaughter the Followers of the Apocalypse, the most charitable group in the whole damn game, out of paranoia that she might tell them something the BOS wants to keep secret.
Slender Man Tbf the Followers of the Apocalypse’s plans don’t account for fighting against Raiders and other threats. These guys aren’t soldiers, they’re medics
@@monkeman5895 freeside would probably fall apart without the followers, and they sell medical supplies which could go a long way with helping deal with raiders
Yid Man Evil people sprouting isn’t something you can meaningfully avoid, Benny sprouted from House and the NCR has some twisted bastards in it, too. You can’t blame them for Caesar.
Something I like about Mr. House is how he doesn't threaten you if you refuse to obey, like Ceasar or the NCR. He just won't be paying you until you do your job.
Almost all of them are a threat to the strip. Why wouldnt he want them destroyed? Most people in the wasteland would prefer not having more crazies roaming around
@@tylerlackey1175 Obviously. Getting the "good" independent Vegas ending for example needs you to wipe out factions that would cause problems post-game. People nitpicking on why it's baaad love to nitpick on what this and that faction does when it runs wild while the NCR is occupied at the dam and them beaten back, but if you want a "good" independent Vegas those factions won't exist anymore in the first place because you wiped them out yourself on your own accord. Even Mr House's ending really depends on the Courier's karma, because a "good" Courier will be the connection between House and the people and an advisor with the people's well being in mind.
@@marioenriquecontrerasgarci4670 Honestly, looking back, even in the first fallout, I've always only loved the brotherhood because of their cool power armor and the chance to get one.
@@localman9063 tbh, at least in new vegas I killed them all with the pulse gun, got their power armor and then got the power armor training from the enclave remnants
This is interesting because in Fallout 1 they were mostly an isolationist group that occasionally actually helped other settlements by providing their technology and assistance. I guess the West Coast faction had further radicalized since then.
Ich Bin they didn't really get any more extreme than they already were. in fact, asking to talk to the brotherhood leadership results in them sending you to almost certain death.
Yeah, they weren't too big on anyone from the outside joining them so they mostly sent them on out on a deadly errand but there wasn't any mention of them seizing any technology from others and like I said they actually provided some of theirs on occasion to others, like the NCR and Vault 13. In Fallout 2 they were actually more humble probably since they were getting their asses kicked by the Enclave. They worked together with the NCR to destroy them and even had a base in their capital. By New Vegas they were just an isolationist group with no redeeming qualities as far as other factions were concerned.
They took the founder's "codex" to a completely new level. Much like the bible, the message was lost and the meanings twisted. Now all that's left is a group of raider in shiny power armors pretending to help humanity by keeping it techs away from them.
Ich Bin They didn't helped anyone, as far as i know. They were extremaly isolationist, and decided to straight out murder me when i told one of thier knights that i were just wandering the wastes.
I love Mr. House so much. He's unironically my favorite fallout character, just because of how funny it is to witness the absolute outrage he constantly experiences with every single occurrence.
I'd imagine him praising that one if envy doesn't stop him from admitting it. Second most powerful faction in the Commonwealth but still a match for the likes of the Institute.
Nyrufa that would probably be a bad idea, it’d be like a downgrade as House can’t be killed unless you get to his capsule after you manage to take out a army of securitrons, plus he can take his consciousness on a securitron model, which makes a synth body unnecessary
But what if he had multiple copies of his consciousness, and if his synth body died a factory would just make a new one? Or he could control the synth remotely like a VR headset.
Jose Alcala not unnecssary per se... House could use a surrogate Synth vessel to move and feel human... somewhat. It's better than staying in that capsule of his.
the saddest part about the brotherhood is their incredible potential if they had clear cut long term goals, established themselves as a positive force in the wasteland, and actually fucking recruited then they could have made something. they could have rebuilt humanity, but instead they chose to wither away inside of bunkers defending an ideology that doesn't really even make much sense. they're basically a cult that had unusually good luck in acquiring weapons and armor. if they didn't have their fancy weapons or power armor, then nobody would have thought twice about them. "oh yeah they're those creeps who hang out in bunkers" all they had to do was listen to veronica, for fuck's sake
By Veronica's time it was probably too little, too late. If they'd stuck to Maxon's original vision, and not lost sight of the fact they were collecting technology to help all of humanity, not just themselves, they could easily have become one of the most powerful and positive factions in the Wasteland.
The Brotherhood of Steel is about Collecting and preserving technology, and they do exactly that. Wastelanders are short sighted and not particularly intelligent. What do think will happen if they get there hands on a piece of rare technology? They'll probably strip it for parts or use it till it breaks. Now lets assume every wastelander does this, all of a sudden, a piece of technology no longer exists. It has been completely wiped off the face of the earth, because a selfish wastelander didnt know better. Now when the brotherhood of steel gets a hold of technology, they reverse engineer it and find out how to create more of it. The make blueprints so that particular piece of technology that could be very useful to people in a civilized society, will not disappear. "Everyone knows how to make another human, but the secrets to making a P94 Plasma Rifle are all but lost."
Is that really so bad? That mankind loses the ability to create energy weapons and has to revert back to conventional firearms? I'm sure the Followers of the Apocalypse have the blueprints for things such as the auto-doc, so as long as the Brotherhood is mainly producing weapons, (and I feel confident they are) why be support people who shoot lasers out of their eyes?
That's one of the main issues, they hoard only military technology. Sure enough some of them are worth keeping from the general population due to lack of education and outright ignorance, like giving a caveman a nuke. But since the NCR became more than just a small village and the Followers having expanded, that goal becomes less and less relevant because people know better. But they failed to evolve with the times, rather than take a less aggressive role and preach about the dangers of high-tech weapons, they hoard them still and kill anyone who would carry them, in fact, they constantly harass anybody that holds anything as small as a laser pistol, and if you refuse, well your caravan's going to end up as more ashes for the wastes.
@@omeven5785as much as Bethesda showcases them as d-bags, they still have their own Brotherhood kink to add them whenever, whereever. Plus BoS in the show is extremely overpowered, while meanwhile NCR is extremely underpowered, almost like a joke.
@@Gun_Metal_GreyThe Capital of the NCR got nuked... also the NCR is just a basic WW2/Modern Army(our modern) while the Brother hood has alot of Modern(in universe prewar) tech. Also it's the Westcoast brotherhood like from 4, which was by far the strongest in modern times, and most recent.
@@thessjbacca5177A modern military wouldn’t have as much trouble with power armor as you think. .50 cal machineguns are common enough on vehicles and as static defenses, and can penetrate most armored personnel carriers, so they’d be more than capable of dealing with power armor (T-51 was stated to absorb up to 2,500 Joules of kinetic energy, .50 cal has about 21,000 Joules of kinetic energy). The Browning M2 .50 cal heavy machinegun was designed in 1933, so it definitely exists in the Fallout universe. Miniguns would definitely fire enough rounds that one of them is bound to hit a weak spot sooner rather than later. The miniguns in the games fire at like 10% the rate of fire of real miniguns and have underpowered damage for game balance. A minigun usually fires 7.62x51, which had around 3,000 J of kinetic energy. That said, of course such heavy weaponry wouldn’t be as common in the post-apocalypse. SODAZ has a series of videos about the Brotherhood-NCR battle for Helios, which I think realistically depicts how it would play out.
@@shadysam7161 Nobody is safe from a little insanity in the Fallout Universe, each and every Player Character does a lot of insane crap too, whatever they want to, or not. Its the power of the Character to hold that insanity in check what makes them powerful, and with that in mind, House is one of the most powerful characters in the Fallout Universe, because nobody checks on him, he checks himself. Also he ain't a techno-fetishist at all, he just uses Tech to take the lead, he doesn't praise it
"The world has no place for emotionally unstable techno-fetishists" -The guy who got off to scanning beautiful ladies' brains and owns a sexbot (two in cut content)
Silent_Stalker: We don't wanna go to war today, but the lord of the lash says nay nay naaay. We're gonna march all day all day all daaay. For where there's a whip, there's a way. Thanks for getting that one back in my head.
It's heavily implied that House is asexual, and very asocial. Even though he was seen as a playboy, he didn't care about actually sleeping with women. He was just, as you mentioned before, experimenting on them.
Courier: "Tell me about Bethesda Softworks." House: "They're a terrorist group, basically. Extortionist, quasi-religious fanatics obsessed with hoarding Fallout lore. Not all lore, mind you. You don't see them making stories out of deeply-philosophical wars between political ideologies or armfuls of well-written organizations. No, they greatly prefer the sort of lore that *_puts_* people in ideological conflicts. Or graves, rather, since ideologies and NPCs in Fallout went the way of the Dodo." Courier: "Why do you hate Bethesda so much?" House: "Because they're ridiculous! Because they galavant around the Fallout series pretending to be Knights of Todd. Or did, until Obsidian showed them that graphical purity and shiny Power Armor Frames don't count for much when you're outperformed in story-writing 15,000,000 to 1. The world has no need for mentally-delusional neo-f3tishists. Just wipe them out, will you?" Courier: "I don't want to kill off Bethesda from the series." House: "Don't tell me that you've fallen for the pseudo-stories of Appalachian Vault Dwellers on crusade, preserving a madman's money in a benighted age? DROSS!"
Sir Mount And you judge their performance solely on reviews? Metacritic's accuracy is questionable. It should be community consensus at this point that the reviewers at Metacritic aren't exactly thinking straight. New Vegas had the best writing, there were no non sequiturs or stupid holes in the plot or lore, unlike Fo3 or Fo4. Fo4 outsold Vegas because the former was intended for the greatest common denominator of the community and it had a great superficial charm. When you look closer at the lore and plot of Fo4 you realize how nonsensical and choiceless it is. Vegas had choices and factions which you could understand. Fo4 had plenty illusions of choice that ultimately led to the exact same outcome, and a sincere lack of common sense in many factions. Imagine. You leading the Minutemen and building hundreds of settlements armed to the teeth with nigh-nuclear weapons and Automatrons and somehow they still have people kidnapped by drab Raiders with pipe pistols. Imagine. You expand the Minutemen into a vast organization who has retaken the Castle and avenged Quincy... and your troops still have pipe pistols and laser muskets as their weapons. Your settlements can't even properly defend themselves without your personal intervention even when given more weapons of mass destruction than SADDAM HUSSEIN! Yeah, makes no sense.
Sir Mount, MetaCritic is owned by Sony, and if you look at Fallout 3 and 4 Mod videos or Fallout New Vegas vanilla videos than you’d see that true fans of Fallout hate the Fallout 3 and 4 vanilla game entirely.
Would definitely agree with Mr. House on this. The DC Brotherhood in Fallout 3 is an aberration rather than the norm as far as the Brotherhood of Steel's original mission/goals. The DC chapter, as headed by Elder Lyons, was more interested in helping rebuild the Capital Wasteland into a viable community rather than gathering old-world tech. They lost their appeal for me when Elder Maxon took them over and returned them to hoarding technology and destroying those who opposed them--made it a lot easier for me to wipe them out in Fallout 4 as well as burying the Nevada chapter under tons of rubble New Vegas.
@@thelonecourier3439 not really. The enclave wanted to wipe out everything and restart with their own people. Maxson doesn’t want to kill the civilians of the wastes, he just doesn’t want them to have technology capable of posing a threat
In Fallout 3 they're just playing the role of "the good guys", opposing Super Mutants (who basically got turned into orcs by Bethesda writers) and the evil Enclave. Any nuance BoS has was really downplayed in comparison to the fact that they're "the good guys" of that pretty simplistic story. In Fallout 4 they're just as cliche, but this time they're copying Mechanicus from Warhammer 40k, down to "techno-heresy" nonsense. It's pretty obvious that different Fallouts were written by different people. In Black Isle/Obsidian Fallouts, BoS went from being an ideology-heavy group that thought themselves superior to everyone else in Fallout 1 to getting their asses kicked by Enclave and losing some relevance in Fallout 2, to never really recovering from that since a new power - NCR arose about the same time and BoS no longer had the biggest stick around, even after Enclave got blown up. BoS position in the world was kind of dependent on their superior weapons, but after getting big enough NCR didn't have to deal with BoS default claim to any tech they think should be in their hands.
@@demilung yeah, it all demonstrates the biggest problem with Bethesda's approach to Fallout. Fact is that they never understood or cared about making their games lore fit with what FO1 ans FO2 established. They wanted the IP for its aesthetic alone and it shows time and time again in their shitty writing.
Broke: Positive reputation with the Brotherhood of Steel Woke: Destroying the BoS bunker when House asks you to Bespoke: Destroying the BoS bunker before House asks you to
Alternatively, gain their trust, honor it, and crusade around the wasteland with Power Armor because it's the closest I'm getting to ceramite and I won't dishonor my chapter by turning traitor
In House's defense, unless you have Veronica as a companion, your first interaction with the Brotherhood involves either being shot at by their patrols, or having them slap a bomb collar on you. Unless Im doing an NCR run that involves making peace with the BoS, you bet your bottom cap Im blowing up Hiden Valley.
I always have veronica as my first companion, even before ed-e or rex so i always get into hidden valley freely Actully in my first playtrough i tought it was just normal
Wait their patrols spawn before you enter the bunker? I’ve never had that happen, although i basically never just randomly hang around Hidden Valley before getting Veronica, I usually quickly pass through during my shortcut to Vegas and come back later with her to gain access.
@@Slender_Man_186 from what I get, you need to enter Hidden Valley (not the bunker, but the outskirts) in the night where the sandstorm shows up and wander around, they are patrolling in those hours
I liked the NCR and was hoping to make some kind of alliance between him and them since they were the closest to a "civilized" faction but he is one stubborn Computer Screen.
@@Shift_Salt The NCR want to rip away the city he saved and built while running around like pre-war American soldiers pretending to be fighting for liberty and freedom.
Mr. House and Caesar are honestly my favourite characters in the game. I hate both of them with a passion, but that's because they're so well-written that they can elicit genuine contempt from me. It takes a lot of skill to create characters who feel like real, terrible people.
Gotta agree with House on this one. They just hang out in a hole hoarding weapons, and massacred the nicest people in the wasteland because they were afraid one of their members might leave
Used to regret blowing them up, then I realized you couldn't ally with them if you instated Hardin (which I did) so I regretted it less as it had to happen Realizing they'd massacre the best faction in-game makes my only regret losing out on the exp that the quest would've given (which might've led to the followers dying)
@@thelocalcrusader9522 They massacre only small portion of Followers,so dont get that sad,its small sacrifice for completing Veronica quest,and also some extra free power armor too XD
I hate the brotherhood for the same reason I hate the Institute in Fallout 4, both claim to be working to save mankind and technology, yet the Brotherhood only values weapons and doesn't share, while the Institute actively destroys any attempt by people in the Commonwealth to rebuild.
That's the East Coast chapter of the Brotherhood. They were a complete 180 of themselves. West Coast almost never allowed outsiders to get in good with them, in Fallout 1 the Brotherhood sends you on a suicide run to get entrance and they're surprised when you come back alive. Don't be fooled by their self imposed nobility, they're just the Enclave's better half.
Fright Wright okay, but the thing is, before fallout 4, the outcasts took over and killed Elder Lyons and Sarah Lyons, placing Maxon as elder, with outcast ideology, which is pretty much the same as west coast ideology. They’re portrayed as more “good-guyish”, but they’re just like the west coast BOS
The institute are pretty badly written anyway. Literally the answer to the question “why are you ruining the lives of people on the surface” is “it’s too complicated to explain”. There’s no justification or explanation for why they do that shit other than it makes them spooky. Yeah, they do share some faults with west coast (and east coast BOS as of fallout 4), but they’re way more forward thinking and in the long term can help humanity
I wasn't sure what exactly to make of Mr .House up until this point in the main quest. When I realized we both wanted the BoS fucking destroyed, I... Kinda fell in love with him.
I mean,you're a courier that compromised his life's project and what he genuinely believed to be Mankind's salvation,if anything,he treats you rather fairly;at his ending he does reward you and feels proud of you. Though yeah,the game doesn't do a very good job at investing you into helping him.
I was horrified, but I still carried it out. I knew the Brotherhood as a cult of glorified robbers, but I thought blowing them up was overkill. Still, I'd rather have House than the NCR and the Legion. He's also better at running things than what I would. The wonders of New Vegas. No matter how well intentioned you are, you *will* do some henious actions underway. Not the black and white conflict as in Fallout 3. New Vegas was the first game that truly made me break my own morals and principals.
I love Mr. House. The man could quite literally save the human race and set us back on our rightful path to the stars essentially *singlehandedly.* Unfortunately for him and everyone else, I'm Brotherhood-for-life 😎
Of course House hates a faction that hoards pre-War technology, hides itself away in pre-War structures, lives in the past, and advocates a vague glorious plan for the future of humanity that is dependent on their supremacy and of dubious practicality at best. He doesn't like competition.
No one seems to have commented on how cleverly this is written. House, in his hubris, cant see that hes also describing himself: he too is a technofetishist who's only interested in tech that makes him more powerful. He makes fun of the brotherhood for pretending to be knights before saying, without a hint of irony, "anyways, this is an employer-employee relationship." House is also pretending to be a member of a long defunct social hierarchy -- a capitalist in midcentury america -- and is no less deluded than the brotherhood. New Vegas has to be one of the most tightly written video games of all time
I think by "techno-fetishists", he refers to how they just hoard technology for the sake of hoarding, with no clear goal in mind, like a kleptomaniac who steals things not because of need but because he likes stealing. House actually tries using that technology, and has many plans for it, so he isn't a "dead end" like the BoS, and his statement doesn't really make him a hypocrate
Agree that the irony of him using old world terms for his relationship with the player after mocking the BoS is perfect. He genuinely doesn't see any similarities. Although as Casual said, the difference is he's not the dead end that the BoS are, he's pushing big plans using his technology. Plans that one day, would help everyone.
@@kickerz7914 i dont think his goals are all that different from the brotherhoods tbh. Both they and House want a future where they are the gatekeepers of all old world tech. Imo, House's good intentions arent all that meaningful in practice
@@FD_and_B I agree with the gatekeeper part definitely. Both want control. But I think the key difference is that House wants to spread his technology to people so he can have them restart industry and eventually have humanity head for the stars. All whilst personally holding the reigns of course. It's a strong future, maybe a bit too authoritarian, but as far as Fallout goes that's okay. The Brotherhood however wouldn't trust anyone outside their group with a really shiny spoon. It's their unwillingness to actually use their technology to help people that is their biggest failing when compared to House. As Veronica puts it "Waiting in a hole for everyone else to die" They offer no real future for themselves or the people of the wasteland. (Sorry for the long ass reply lol)
Yes but unlike the Brotherhood, House is actually doing a damn thing. Self serving or not, House has a vision and a plan to make something out of what's left of the wasteland. A plan that will eventually culminate in leaving Earth and colonizing another planet. THAT kind of grand ambition is something the Brotherhood couldn't even be half-assed to dream up.
"Because they're ridiculous" is so well delivered. It's like even House, the smartest guy in the Mojave, is just bewildered at their weird self-righteous game of dress up
I recall the BoS will send a kill team to the Followers outpost if she decides to join them. Can't recall if Veronica dies too but the BoS slaughter a lot of folks who swore an oath to do no harm. Significantly lowers my sympathy for the BoS.
@@MediumRareOpinions The Mojave Brotherhood is extremely split. If you recall, there is even a kill squad after you and Veronice just for talking with the Elder. Also recall that you do not lose any relation with the BoS for murdering those assholes. Because they are not representative of McNamaras leadership. I always pushed to help the Brotherhood, partly because i just find their ideology fascinating, partly because Veronica is just very charming about them. They are reclusive, self-absorbed and everything bad that they are accused of. But i worked hard with them, because their potential is just so immense. And wouldn't you know it, they actually do change. Gradually, yes, but they change. Become more ready to open up to the world and even ally themselves with their former enemy, NCR. And after all that work to set them on the right path, and seeing it come to fruition, House tells me to murder them, children and all. Because he doesn't believe them to be capable to improve. Because he doesn't believe that people can change. And why would he? He didn't. Worked 200+ years to achieve his goal, to control Vegas. A city build on debauchery and malice.
@@Hunterfalke The fragmented nature of the chapter is an illustration of why *no* other faction in the region trusts the BOS. They're inherently unstable by nature, routinely compete for hierachal dominance and splinter into sub chapters when disagreements go unsolved partly due to their dogmatic codex which makes resolutions harder. Roleplaying for a moment, I can't ever *trust* a faction which can't or doesnt want to control its members who have access to arms and armor which lore wise is enough to level a town. Renegade Kill squads operating without Elder approval (or secretly under elders orders) is not endearing me to their organisation. Regardless of how well intentioned certain individual leaders are, the faction as a whole has *serious* issues cleaning house.
Yeah, now that the shine has worn off Obsidian's midwit writing, we can all have a good laugh at their writers thinking it was "Knights of Yore," as though "Yore" were a country lol
@@MegaZeta Nobody was thinking yore was a country, you're just throwing out bad bait. The phrase "Knights of Yore" is in fact often capitalized like that. Try harder next time.
I'd disagree there. It all depends on the vision of the leaders, really. Lyons probably figured out what Veronica did, and the West Coast elders didn't: their strict isolationism would just lead to them withering away. Even Maxon, for all his reverting to the Brotherhood's roots, wasn't as rigidly dogmatic as the Mojave chapter, and that lead to the Brotherhood becoming a powerhouse on the East Coast rather than a tiny, dwindling faction held up in a few bunkers.
Sadly Maxson's way won't last. It has power now, but that was mostly due to the progressive attitude of the Lyons' family, which gave them a huge boost. With Maxson going back to the basics, it's only a matter of time before the new Brotherhood dies, as can happen in the game.
If their official fallout twitter is posting "destruction of the brotherhood", I'm sure they've been wanting to get rid of them since they took ownership of Fallout.
Considering the institute is the best option in fallout 4 , I think they understand this. Institute is about to get the G.E.C.K and completely repair the surface. 20 years later and the brotherhood still haven’t moved Project Purity up and down the coast removing radiation. They do not give a flying vertibird of a fuck.
@@jackmcmorrow9397no they didn’t? in fact, they’re portrayed as pretty evil. the civilians have multiple lines of dialogue where they say they feel unsafe with these unknown soldiers in power armor stomping around the wasteland and destroying everything, innocent farmers have their food „requisitioned“ independently of whether they wanna give the brotherhood their supplies or not, and elder maxson wants to kill danse for being a synth the whole time, when he could simply banish him from the brotherhood instead and get the same result as he would’ve with killing him but without any violence. this is something you can only achieve through speech checks, by the way. the whole thing with the brotherhood in fo4 is that they are violent, racist, ultra religious techno fetishists, that the general populace disapproves of, but they ultimately can’t deny that their brutal violent ways bring an order to the wasteland that no other more peaceful faction has ever been able to. so, you’re kind of forced to pick as the player. do you want order and peace through an iron fist (brotherhood of steel), or order and peace through diplomacy and rebuilding (minutemen)
Honestly, the ironny of all these people who have convinced themselves Bethesda irrationally hate New Vegas, when really they just irrationally hate Bethesda 😂
Ironic, since "Knights of Yore" is exactly the sort of midwit error you can expect from Obsidian's writers, as though that were a specific order of knights from a country called Yore
@@MegaZeta You lack reading comprehension ima respond to every one of your comments i see, WHEN HE SAYS KNIGHTS OF YORE, THINK OLD. HE MEANS KNIGHTS OF OLD, OF THE PAST. Yore defined is, OF LONG AGO OR FORMER TIMES.
I am with Mr. House on this one and not just this one. I rolled all the paths several times. Well Legion just once to see if they have any sort of redeeming value and they dont, those people make me sick. No better than fiends really. Mr. House FTW. Back to the Brotherhood of Steel. It is understandable that after Fallout 3 people would sympathise with BOS but lets not forget that Lyons chapter of BOS in D.C. is not exactly a good example how the true BOS really is. Remember there was an outcast faction in D.C.? Well those were not really outcasts actually those so called outcasts were BOS members who remained true to their ideology of hoarding pre-war technology (mostly military tech) and keeping it out of everyone else's hands while killing as much primitive tribals as possible in the process. But Lyons was a nice idealistic guy with a good heart so he ended up wanting to help people wich resulted in tensions within the D.C. chapter and eventually led to the creation of the outcast faction who left Lyons and continued on their own in their original mission of hoarding advanced pre-war tech and weapons while ignoring or killing non BOS people. For more accurate depiction see the BOS from Fallout 1 and 2. When you first meet up with Mojave chapter of BOS they are not very nice to our courier either unless he or she has Veronica with them plus Mojave BOS most likely decided not to kill the courier just because they were in a tight spot and needed all the help they could get. Is BOS bad? I dont think so. Or at least not outright evil, for the most part. Perhaps misguided. We get to know them a bit and learn they are just as human as anyone else in this wasteland but there is a but like with just about every other faction. They are too reclusive aggressive and too obsessed with hoarding pre-war tech and keeping it to themselves. Lyons in D.C. might have been white knighting but to be honest that man had the right idea. BOS has the power and resources to an extent to somewhat help improve humanity's current fucked up situation yet they choose not to. Despite the fact that in doing so they would also help themselves. BOS is good at making enemies but not friends. Worth mentioning is that isolationism will only take you so far. A small strictly extremely enclosed comunity like that will either die out or inbreed and go degenerate. Or get killed off as they can not replenish lost manpower, at least not fast enough unlike NCR through recruiting and consription or Mr. House by well, building more robots. Not to mention with people outside getting stronger and organised large factions or nations like NCR are formed which can easily roflstomp the BOS by sheer numbers alone. As Veronica is rightly concerned BOS must change if its people want to survive. The fear of humans using tech to destroy themselves again which was held by BOS founders after the great war was perhaps justified but on the other hand wouldn't educating people about the past mistakes and dangers of pre-war tech while helping in rebuilding a new brighter, okay maybe not so brighter as we have enough radiation as is but a safer world be a better objective? That sayd, the destruction of BOS is not the most fortunate outcome as it means a loss of capable people. Humanity needs not only all the technology and knowledge it can muster but also capable people in order to survive, rebuild and eventually thrive. I use the word capable with reserves though as apparently the BOS Paladins were killed by threats that were no match for a random passing by mail man. Now I dont say they must all hold hands and sing Kumbaya, that's reserved for General Oliver. But they should at least come together, see the bigger picture and do what needs to be done to rebuild what was foolishly destroyed. The most optimal outcome imo would be if by some miracle we could get Mr. House, NCR and BOS to work together in rebuilding mankind. Of course NCR would need to clean up their corruption and greed. BOS would need to let go of the old useless mantra and Mr. House well, to accept them for what they are. I am sure if progress and better future was the objective of all then Mr. House would come around. He sayd that himself. All I care about is progress. However since that is not possible to achieve without modding the main quest the next best choice for long term prosperity of mankind is Mr. House. While the NCR is not a bad faction per se, it has issues and I doubt they could achieve what Mr. House can. NCR can offer relative freedom and safety. Really, like Nipton burned by Legion, NCRCF over run by criminals, all the dead caravans by the road side, fiends all around New Vegas, Freeside full of thugs, Legion spy at McCarran, Deathclaws in the Quarry, with Lee Oliver singing Kumbaya, ranger chief Hanlon high on crack seeing Super Mutant Legionnaires and Khan trained Deathclaws floating around all the while people are butchered and enslaved by the baldy Caesar. Where is a Brutus when you need one? Oh, wait that has to be me too. Great job NCR I already feel free and safe, only I am wearing power armor holding a big ass gun with plenty of ammo in my pockets doing your job for you cleaning this mob infested hellhole. And the poor troops at McCarran still can't stop pooping because all they have is canned beans and totally broken down kitchen equipment because I cant be at fifty places at once fixing literally everything while being chased by retarded Legion Assassins who are dead set on being killed by this one specific courier in the name of baldy Caesar. That reminds me I also need to look in to the water issue at that farm. I wonder, if I follow the big ass pipes from wich the water flows maybe I can find something. I bet the troops on site haven't thought of that instead just complained blaming the farmers working their asses of there to be simply lazy. In other news a package courier found shot in the head near Goodsprings made a full recovery, butchered the Great Khans, ass raped Benny boy in his own casino and after marching in to the fort like Hugo Boss killed the baldy Caesar. Our courier then walked in to Nelson and annihilated the huge Legion army there. All the 6 or so dudes and finally broke the complicated stalemate between NCR and Legion while on a routine delivery of a postcard to a resident of Nelson. The resident was also found shot in the head but unlike the courier he did not make a full recovery. At present it is yet unknown whether the courier shot the resident. Hopefully the investigation of NCIS Mr. Grissom and his team will soon yield results. Boy that must be one hell of a bad ass courier though. I wonder if he is related to John Statham. This was Mr. Pre-war Vegas covering for Mr. New Vegas. Good lord is everybody in that joint a fucking idiot? NCR should be renamed to The New Courier Republic since it seem it takes a random mailman to take care of all the military, logistical, scientific and political business. And you can have all this with a two headed bear flag on top at the cost of corrupt officials and taxes with some long term progress in science perhaps. Yeah, because we totally need those plant zombies from Vault 22 everywhere Dr. Hildern. But I digress. NCRs ambition is mostly to annex land and hoard up resources. They lack other drive beyond greed. With no larger ambition or visions it will be just that, day in day out. In a none changing post apocalyptic wasteland with no major development. With Mr. House on the other hand. The man pursues progress, he has ambitions and means to achieve them. He can bring safety, prosperity and rebuild mankinds lost glory. His intelect and knowledge are invaluable. Anyone who killed him is a fool in my opinion. As for the alternatives? What alternatives? Various raider groups? Deathclaws? The fucked up Legion? Powder Gangers? Radscorpions? Followers of the Apocalypse who cant even protect themself? Gang of Elvis's? Freeside junkies? Brotherhood of Steel wich will eventually die out or degenerate? Boomers, although they can protect themselves well and are not evil like raiders or legion, they would still share similar fate with BOS if they keep isolating themselves. With a line up of choices like these NCR is a good choice true but Mr. House is the best choice, if you care at all about the future of mankind. The few downsides his lets call it regime may have are vastly outweigh by all the positives he can bring to humanity as a whole in the big picture. Too long. Damn it I did it again. Ah screw it, read or dont. Cheers.
Legion is no better than Fiends? Something tells me you didn't talk to anyone during your Legion run; you were too busy thinking how you would do things if you were siding with House. You list all the things that make NCR shit and still end up saying that "NCR is a good choice" compared to the Legion. Dialogue with Cass, Raul, and Dale Barton reveal that the Legion lands are already safer than any other faction in the Mojave. Cass states that the Legion protects their caravans,supply lines, and roads. Even Fiends hesitate to attack Legion-marked caravans. If you are able to talk to Driver Nephi or Cook-Cook through mods, or even dialogue with Hsu, you find out Fiends are not intimidated by the NCR which is why they will send people to harass Camp McCarran every day. The only other thing that makes Fiends hesitate is Meansonfoabitch, but even then that's not much of a deterrent as people in Westside complain about daily Fiend attacks. Dale Barton confirms Cass's statements about caravan security. He says when he travels he doesn't even need a guard because there are no raiders in Legion lands. He also states that Legion doesn't burden him with taxes something which the NCR does and probably House would too. House has the 3 Families pay him which they resent. If you have Primm fall under NCR rule, House sends his securitrons to collect heavy taxes on them. I wouldn't put it past him to have taxes on caravans if he controlled the Mojave. Raul states life back east before the Legion was complete shit. He says that life was very difficult due to raiders everywhere. When you start Honest Hearts, if you talk to the people in the Happy Trails Caravan Company, they mention that the White Legs and 80s are pretty much in control up north. NCR couldn't deal with the White Legs and ended up getting roads destroyed. You can't say that Legion makes you sick by saying they're worse than Fiends without showing your ignorance or your bias. Fiends use chems to make them battle effective which makes them go insane. Legion prohibits their use. St. James and Dermot sells children to Fiends for whatever vile purposes. Cook-Cook burns his slaves alive; you find an instance in Dermot's ledger that he burns a boy he bought and burns Pretty Sarah after raping her. Even Canyon Runner shows more mercy to the Weathers family. He says "normally they would have to die," but seeing how weak they are, he lets them live. I'm not arguing that the Legion is better than House; I'm arguing that the Legion is a better compared to the NCR, tribals, and the Fiends. This meme of "Legion are just raiders and don't have a future" needs to stop.
Yeah I have to disagree with you. Considering Legion members have a habit of doing the same things Cook-Cook does I am really not seeing much of a difference.
sabergreen2010 legion doesn't go nearly as extreme as cook cook or the fiends. Anyone the legion tortures or enslaves are enemies of war, simple as that. they may seem brutal, but it's the best way to ensure actual stable society is set up, rather than the barely functional society of the NCR that's headed towards collapse.
Considering I've found evidence Legion members who partake in both rape and Cannibalism I'm still not seeing a difference. The only thing I could maybe the legion has a different stance on is drug use and that's questionable if the Legion actually holds up to that standard since officers can be found taking chems in their private quarters. As far as stability goes I have to disagree there too. Without Ceaser the legion will collapse. Loyalty to him is what's holding it together as Marcus said "They follow the man not his ideals." As far as people the legion subjects their cruelty to being enemies of war. Does it really matter when the Legion are the instigators of that war?
sabergreen2010 where is this evidence? Is this indicative of the entire legion at all or just those people? Also Chem use is a crime, the guilty officer does it in secret for a reason. Otherwise, he'd be executed. A proper heir or the city of vegas itself, and the legion is fine for decades to come. If not fighting for caesar, the legion can fight for vegas.
Thats exactly why i love it so much, it shows how crap humans have been and always will be. We will always be doomed to repeat our mistakes. Utopia is unreachable and will forever be. Because woo... woo nevah changez
First time i played New vegas (and being my first time playing a FO) i betray him because i wanted to protect the brotherhood ........ Now i kinda agree with him
And House isn't wrong, unless we're talking about Fallout 3's brotherhood of steel (which was demonized by 4). Honestly though, the brotherhood of steel isn't evil. They're in a grey area if you ask me. Their intentions are well meaning, but they go too far to achieve those goals. Way too far. They're willing to slaughter the followers of the apocalypse, who by the way, are without a doubt, the most moral group in fallout PERIOD. And when the courier goes to their bunker, the first thing they do (unless you have Veronica) is lock the door behind you, threaten to kill you if you don't hand over everything you have, and I do mean everything, then put a bomb collar on you that goes KA-BOOM if you wander too far.
Yeah lmao then they act like you're their best friend after forcing you to kill for them. Lmao I'm not you friend and I'm going to blow your shithole bunker up
@@grimgrauman7650: I could understand them issuing a warning for you to leave. I could understand them locking you up for trespassing, storing away your gear and interrogating you. HELL, I could understand them just straight up killing you for being too curious. Putting a bomb around your throat and ordering you to do their dirty work is a cruel and unnecessary, especially for a faction that believes in a sense of honor.
Tiss fant Lets be honest, all ideologies are like that. I can’t name a single ideology that wouldn’t change their opinion or develop a biased about you for promoting their cause
When did I say such things? I agree on that Super Mutants, FERAL Ghouls and synths should be exterminated, but the fact how the BoS works and destroy anything/anybody who's not blindly following them makes them stinking for me.
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 Except the Cleric in the tv show talked about becommign the head of the brotherhood. That sounds like Mutiny against the east coast. Also the broterhood tkaing orders from the commonwealth rather than the citadel makes me fear that something happened to the citadel.
"Don't tell me that you've fallen for the stories of noble paladins on crusade, preserving mankind's technology in a benighted age?" That's a clear jab at Bethesda's version of the BoS on Fallout 3
@@MegaZeta My shlawg youve responded to everyone mentioning the "Knights of Yore" line, Youre pissed because you dont realize he isnt trying to refer to them as a specific gang of knights, what he is trying to say is theyre galavanting around like the knights of old, He isnt referring to a specific group other than the brotherhood. All hes saying is he hates how they parade around the wasteland attempting to be like the knights in shining armor of the past. Learn words
You know I'm replaying Fallout 3 now and it's pretty evident the BoS faction has been cut off from the rest of the brotherhood and are dwindling in numbers.
Still killed him and went for the independant ending. Cause fuck him for forcibly expulsing the poor peoples out of New Vegas in freeside and then let them live in squalid, precarious conditions and poverty, mere meters away from a place ripe with luxury.
I have a theory on why House is so adamant the BoS must go, if you leave them alone in the playthrough that means no killing them then they will always take HELIOS One which is a big problem because they may very well activate ARCHIMEDES which will give them an edge if House wins and if they discover Euclid's C-finder then they have the means of launching a full scale assault on the Strip. My guess is House was very well aware what was at HELIOS One and wanted them out of the picture before they could use it.
Caesar is a egoistic megalomaniac who just wants to feel powerful. He is like a bully at an elemental school. He doesnt even believe in his own religion he just uses it to get a bunch of tribals to worship him. He has a shitty plan of continuing a campaign against an civilised and advanced army when he already has too much territory and he knows that he is dying. He doesnt give a shit about his own population or what will happen to him. He blatantly ignored the obvious future of the Legion and is just obsessed with finally being able to tackle the twoheaded bear one on one. To call him a realist is fucking stupid.
@@RadX_98 Caesar is fucking crazy and his Legion last about 2 years without him which is always what was gonna happen. It was nothing like the Roman Empire, it was just a cult of personality and a power-trip from an egomaniac.
Killing members of the followers of the apocalypse is the lowest form of degeneracy I wonder why you get evil karma instead of good karma when you destroy them
He absolutely is! This is still the point where I part ways with House every time, though. No, I will not wipe them out because of Veronica; A genuinely kind person who cares for other people, regardless of what banner they might be marching under. I don't need to wipe them out, they will destroy themselves because they are unable and unwilling to change. It'll take a while longer than if I were to go and shoot up their bunker right then and there, sure! But that is perfectly all right, cause I'm not destroying Veronica because of House finding the thought of them just existing to be irksome. They will cease to be. It is just a question of who will bring their end: NCR or themselves? It's Evolution by Natural Selection, pretty much...
He’s not wrong about the brotherhood…but then again, there are very few truly ‘good guys’ in the Fallout universe. It’s kind of the point. Sometimes it feels like an old Western. Others like a futuristic World War. And often like a horror movie.
@@MrTHEMONEEMAKER "Better than the alternative" and yet they are shooting civis. I'd sooner side with the supernatant than those disgusting backwards savages. Imagine simping for the Bos 😂
This is why I hate Bethesda's modification of lore. In Fallout, the Brotherhood were protecting all technology they could find for the rebuilding of society (and were trading with the Hub, a caravan went right to their door). After the NCR was formed, they freely helped them, it's the main reason Shady Sands is so technologically advanced in Fallout 2. In Fallout 2, they were assisting the NCR with the Enclave, due to their advanced tech knowledge. In the canceled 3, a change in leadership would have led them to start hording knowledge, leading to a war with the NCR, which they lost. It's a possible outcome that would (probably) have been explained better in game. In Bethesda's 3 they're a tech-worshiping (new), isolationist (new), weapon-hording (incomplete take) extremist group. This seems to have been done to make Lyon's splinter group look even better (look how they rise above the rest of the Brotherhood, who we changed to make worse). Fallout: New Vegas had to build on that, since most players had only played 3. They tried their best to correct some mistakes. They reminded players that the Brotherhood had fought the Master's army and the Enclave. Veronica's quest is about how shortsighted and self-destructive that ideology is in an advancing world. On a personal note: anyone who completed Veronica's quest, listened to that last back and forth between her and McNamara (V: we'll die out, M: (sigh) I know), and still think the Brotherhood "deserve" to be wiped out, is heartless. At best, it should be seen as pulling life support.
Feel like in 4 they go a bit back to their roots,terminal entries explain how they trade with waste landers,protect caravans and all of that but their main mission is still lreserving pre war tech and preventing it from getting misused. They are not perfectly 1:1 but it's as good as it gets
@@sokratikas brotherhood in 4 is an unholy combination of the outcasts and enclave from Fallout 3. Their "trade" is backed by firepower and their "protection" is paid for. Bethesda just took their remade brotherhood (the outcast "purists") and added the enclave's "might makes right" and authoritarian beliefs.
The Brotherhood will still be killing wastelanders and traders for their technology so basically Mr. House is right in this one since they’re basically a dangerous and so unstable faction like NCR and the Legion but way worse and so corrupted.
The only difference is that House sees them as a potential threat to himself, and Veronica doesn't. He isn't exacly wrong either, if the BoS found Euclid's C-Finder for example.
Unfortunately true. If your introduction to Fallout was with 3, you might be given the false impression that the Brotherhood is filled with noble, well-intentioned people, but many people forget that Lyons and his chapter were renegades who split off from the Brotherhood because they wanted to do some good. The red-and-black-painted Brotherhood members you encounter (specifically if you have the Operation Anchorage DLC) are the *real* members of the Brotherhood of Steel who left when Lyons stopped the cycle of hoarding. They're hostile bastards who look down on any other wastelander that isn't one of them and they showcase the real nature of the Brotherhood. Though I think New Vegas does a far better job of explaining their mentality, I'm not sure any of Bethesda's titles has ever properly dug into their motivations. I've played 3, New Vegas (not Bethesda developed, but that wasn't my point) and Fallout 4 (as well as 1 and 2, but that's irrelevant), and none of them really touch deep enough on the Brotherhood to make you understand why they act the way they do. Yes, nukes destroyed most of the known world, and it is a piece of technology, but it gives you no real insight into how they came to the conclusion that just hiding technology from people... you know, the thing people created in the first place and can one day create again, is supposed to save humanity from itself. They really just seem like mindless zealots with no future. I'm sure at one point they might have been useful for keeping the last remnants of humanity from killing each other, but it's not like they're out stopping raiders and super mutants from going on rampages. Only Lyons' chapter did that and they were effectively not the real Brotherhood anymore. The Brotherhood of Steel doesn't preserve humanity, it just preserves technology... and then uses that technology on other people to maintain its power. At least the Enclave and Caesar had a vision for humanity's future, even if it sucked.
I can only imagine what House would have thought of the Institute. "Yeah so, these dudes in Massachusetts have a fancy underground facility light years ahead of yours. The have a mercenary who’s life the extended to over 100 years without him turning into a vegetable. Oh, and they know how to make composite humans and pump them out like clockwork.”
TBH his description is pretty accurate, to normal wastelanders BoS probably terrorized the shit out of them, especially if any wastelanders had any good weapons
@@martinromerostrack9138 It was handled very well on how the show demonstrated on how the NCR and the BOS are engaging in a never ending conflict of war, loved that final sequence! It was brilliantly well done to display how fanatically idealistic the BOS really are as even Maximus became to not completely see them as the good guys!
@@martinromerostrack9138 What do you mean, it WAS a fraction of them at the final war battle scene in the final episode in the show and it did make sense that they tried to pick themselves up at the end as the BoS wipes them out out of imperialistic control. I don’t know what you mean at all here as BOS was the ones who attacked them in the show in the final battle there.
As far as the New Vegas chapter of the Brotherhood is concerned, I 100% agree with Mr. House and even Caesar. When I played Fallout 3 I was absolutely behind the Brotherhood all the way because they were protecting the people and distributing clean water everywhere and acting like actual Knights would (At least for the most part). Lyon's Pride is the Brotherhood I trust, but thanks to Maxon they truly are just like the west coast chapters.
@Infinite Adriannn true, Maxson hates synths. When you side with the Institute you literally destroy Liberty Prime @ the Boston airport lol the fact that Maxson betrayed Lyons and his daughter is what makes him suspect af.
Infinite Adriannn apparently some people believe either Arthur Maxson or a sympathizer assassinated Sarah Lyons after the events of 3 so Arthur could assume the role of elder. Which I personally believe is bull. Putting aside my obvious favoritism and support of the BoS it actually doesn’t make sense from a character perspective for Arthur to have done this since he A. Had a crush on Sarah in 3 and B. It doesn’t pan out personality wise. Arthur has a code of honor he listens to his subordinates and he even is humble enough to have prevent a cult of personality to have formed in the west coast early on.
Honestly the way Bethesda did the brotherhood in fallout 4 was stupid, they had no reason to make them evil like they did, they literally would have been better off using the west coast brotherhood of steel or even the outcasts or remnants (that would at least have been less of an insult to fallout 3s story....)
@TheWitherling That is true as well, I believe Sawyer made a comment/joke about Fallout 3’s BOS (while developing F:NV) saying “this ain’t your daddy’s brotherhood of steel!”
After seeing the fallout show I despise the brotherhood even more now. Self righteous and delusional leadership. Some of the brotherhood however are good people willing to listen to reason and be open minded.
"The world has no use for emotionally unstable techno-fetishists. Just wipe them out will you?"
~Mr. House, Emotionally Stable Techno-Fetishist
Fucker has a securitron wife with full private "service".
House is good at manuevering others around to his point of view. A born defendant!
i feel like mr house and edward ""caesar" sallow both have a case of projecting when talking about the brotherhood
''The Brotherhood represents the worst impulses of Man'' - Guy who orders his victims to be crucified and burned for intimidation
@@fgrcdefeatkiller7724 Yep. The CEO Bossman and the WASP History LARPer might have charisma but they certainly can't avoid projection.
People love to talk about themselves... even unintentionally.
Techno-fetishists.
Cheese-fetishes
It's a bit rich coming from him, considering Mr. House has at least one Securitron Sex-Bot.
***** he's alluding to the fact Mr House owns two personal sex bots.
spikegilfer1997
I wonder how he uses them, considering that he can't leave his LS chamber for 10 seconds. And even if he can have sex via some sort of VR, I doubt that he is still interested in it after 200 years. It's most likely that he keeps them around just to talk to them and/or because of nostalgia.
Fisto reporting for duty. Please assume the position.
Brotherhood Fan: "Durr! Hurr! Brotherhood is the best faction! Look at mah Power armor!" *headshot*
Random Protag: "That was an anti-material round. I bought it for five caps at a kiosk near New Vegas."
The virgin Brotherhood Paladin vs The Chad Enclave Power Armour Courier
@@donaidtrump2259 NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST BLOW UP A PRE-WAR HI-TECH BUNKER FULL OF VALUABLE TECHNOLOGY
courier: haha keycards go beep
@@donaidtrump2259 not even qualified for a brotherhood, more like dysfunctional family of virgins.
The Brotherhood will never be good, they’re just an occupying force that doesn’t even directly help anyone except themselves.
Brotherhood helped towns against the mutants. Dunno what happened in the century since
After how much Bethesda has been cramming them in shows and new games, i gotta agree with house's resentment for that oversaturated group of Technophiles larping as knights and discount space marines.
The Fallout show had one of the Brotherhood characters say "We used to rule the wasteland." As if most of the time we haven't seen them basically live in a bunker and be a minor faction that's going to die out eventually. Bethesda just loves making them the center of attention because they're are out of ideas for making anything good and interesting.
@@Theo-hh1zo what's annoying is they weren't a major faction post fallout 1. in fallout 2, van buren and the original new vegas they were just a minor faction.
i can excuse the enclave propping up everywhere in the us because they are united states government, so them having multiple facilities makes the most sense compared to the brotherhood, who were just an extremely small group of soldiers that became a cult. the elder in the show is a complete liar or a zealot given the brotherhood of steel was so small and pathetic, that the unity itself would have had no issue destroying them and that's not even a debate. Tim Cain himself said if the master won in fallout 1, the enclave would've decimated them with no issues while the brotherhood was infiltrated with unity cultists.
@@jack_The_ComicFan63 Exactly the future of this series is looking so bleak it ain't even funny. Bethesda changes the lore and setting so often filling it with their own garbage. Vaults 31,32, 33, and 4 in the show should've already been cracked open by the Master and his army considering they were literally by his hideout. The show wanted to retcon Fallout 1,2, and New Vegas all because the original creators of Fallout made better games than them. Todd Howard is literally doing damage control and lying about "threading the needle" with the lore when one of their writers said that we weren't beholden to what someone made twenty years ago.
It is actually getting ridiculous. The brotherhood is stronger than ever before and it’s getting really tiresome. A game where they are the main antagonists because they’ve been backed into a corner and have gone feral would be so much more interesting than how they’ve been consistently portrayed in Bethesda fallout.
@@DoctorWu23 You sure an automatically player-hostile faction approach to the Brotherhood of Steel would be more interesting than the compelling gray take we got in Fallout 4?
Difference between BoS and Enclave is that the Enclave didn’t pretend to be the good guys
House always wins.
Courier: “What’s a dodo?”
Mr House: it's like an ancient kind of chicken.
Courier: What's a chicken?
If they actually made a habit of protecting the innocent and helpless with their might the whole knight theme would be pretty dope
Brotherhopd of Steel: *exists*
Mr. House: *D R O S S*
*COÑOOO*
@@adrian.5128JAJAJAAJJAAJJAAJ
I am glad House also appreciates Dross' art
@@anonymousbloke1A thing of beauty
I always knew House was a man of culture
I like that tone from him, when he says "Dross".
It's like a crack of a whip. Love it.
Drossrotzank?
@@JTHECOMENTER understandable, have a good day
*NUMERO 7*
MrSalambard
Te ha hablado dross y te deseo buenas noches
"Everyone knows how to make another human, but the secrets to making a P94 Plasma Rifle are all but lost."
Regalecus glesne the fiends could be like the white legs from the honest hearts DLC. They could have just broken into a stash of them or buy them from the van graffs
@@regalecusglesne3022 1) They raided vault 3's armory (Lore reason)
2) Obsidian accidentally coded them to have energy weapons when they were supposed to use ballistic weapons (Real reason)
@@regalecusglesne3022 the P94 plasma rifle is the plasma caster, not the standard plasma rifle you find throughout the game.
The Brotherhood is a dead-end.
I love your profile pic
no spoilers, but Veronica's companion quest proves Mr House entirely correct
The game is a decade old. What do you mean no spoiler. And why would anyone who hasn't played it be here of all plcess
@@Plight_people tend to watch clips of shows, movies or games of specific scenes or moments they never get to fully watch, they get to judge it if it interests them or not.
House was always correct.
That's why I'm picking him everytime, I make a new character
@@angeloluna529 highly doubt that's ever the case here. Anyone finding this video likely is looking for it to refresh their memory.
House is correct about almost everything. The NCR thinks ahead in years, Caesar thinks ahead in decades, but House thinks ahead in centuries.
Nice character design. His reaction to the brotherhood is about what you would expect from a person who was born way before the war.
Mr. Boomer
Yes
@@seronymus being 250 years old is a bit more than boomer alright
@@Harsh-tf9he he's technically a zoomer
@@gonzofernandez hes actually gen alpha
The sad thing is...that he is right about the brotherhood.
Luke Mills He is. Right about them in every game except for elder lyons' rogue chapter.
that got killed off in fo4 and his statement become right again
Hanif Ong I hate how they just killed off Sarah Lyons and replaced her with the dickhead that is Maxson
+Tristan Hunter "It just works"
I think an alliance between the Brotherhood and the NCR could work well; the Brotherhood would finally be able to put the technology that they've hoarded away to good use.
He's still sour that they stole his giant robot.
I'm sure he has an admin override. Besides, if who do you think Liberty Prime will be against?
Computerised Walt Disney, or the tribe that steals US government property, steals food from hard working American farmers and distributes weapons, money and armour evenly amongst it's elite.
@@jacobduggan8008 what?
To my knowledge House wasn't a fan of Liberty Prime.
@@Nyx_2142 Source? Not refuting you Im genuinely curious how that came up.
Didn't even know House made Liberty Prime tbh. I played Fallout 3 for awhile but never really got into it unlike FNV.
@@NotLordAsshat Oh ok. Not surprised he developed Liberty Prime because you would expect him to do that sort of shit. Was just curious what reason he may have to dislike Liberty Prime since Mr. House a...unique philosophy on things and he is usually unbothered by things.
Courier: "What do you think about [insert faction here]"
House: "They're fucking stupid. Wipe them put already, would you?"
kindly
More like the NCR or Caesar
@@mateoreyes6921 caesar is dumb piece of shit and ncr is bunch of corrupt morons soo side with mr house if you care about mojave but if you want to have fun side with yes men and kill every faction because its fun being evil
@@unclesam6325 For my Yes Man runs, I usually go for the diplomatic approach. It's perfectly possible for the people of the Mohave to live in peace together. Except the Brotherhood, who without the NCR to keep an eye on them, just resort to raiding the I-95. So I wipe them out, usually.
“Why would I want to destroy the NCR? They’re my best customers. If their leaders weren’t busy trying to steal Vegas from under me, I’d have no quarrels with them at all.”
I lost any sympathy for the Mojave BOS when I realized, if you convince Veronica to leave them, they slaughter the Followers of the Apocalypse, the most charitable group in the whole damn game, out of paranoia that she might tell them something the BOS wants to keep secret.
Good. Sometimes might does make right. Think about it
Slender Man Tbf the Followers of the Apocalypse’s plans don’t account for fighting against Raiders and other threats. These guys aren’t soldiers, they’re medics
@@monkeman5895 freeside would probably fall apart without the followers, and they sell medical supplies which could go a long way with helping deal with raiders
sci_pain3 Yeah but Morpheus is right, they’re too empathetic/emo for the wastelands which is exactly what led to Caesar being a thing
Yid Man
Evil people sprouting isn’t something you can meaningfully avoid, Benny sprouted from House and the NCR has some twisted bastards in it, too. You can’t blame them for Caesar.
"The world has no use for mentally unstable techno-fetishists."
Cries in techpriest
That's why you set up on Mars instead
[upset binaric noises]
Bold of you to assume the servants of the omnissiah are mentally unstable.
@@SerLagsalot Have a mechanical hug :)
TOASTERS
“Hospitals went the way of the Dodo”
I had to actually read this twice to understand it
Followers of the Apocalypse doing the best they can: Am I a fucking joke to you?
@@ImpendingRiot83 They maybe trying but even NCR is sabotaging their efforts in various ways.
@@ImpendingRiot83 To Mr. House? Yes. Yes they are.
Courier would be like "What the fuck is a Dodo?"
Id love there to have beem a low INT speech option to say “Where did the Dodo go?”
Something I like about Mr. House is how he doesn't threaten you if you refuse to obey, like Ceasar or the NCR. He just won't be paying you until you do your job.
You can literally flat out tell him when you first meet him you don’t wanna give him the chip and he’ll let you go
Mr. House about factions: "They piss me off. Kill em all will you?"
MercenaryFox oh.
Well, they don't personally piss him off. Their ideology is a threat to him.
Almost all of them are a threat to the strip. Why wouldnt he want them destroyed? Most people in the wasteland would prefer not having more crazies roaming around
@@tylerlackey1175 Obviously.
Getting the "good" independent Vegas ending for example needs you to wipe out factions that would cause problems post-game.
People nitpicking on why it's baaad love to nitpick on what this and that faction does when it runs wild while the NCR is occupied at the dam and them beaten back, but if you want a "good" independent Vegas those factions won't exist anymore in the first place because you wiped them out yourself on your own accord.
Even Mr House's ending really depends on the Courier's karma, because a "good" Courier will be the connection between House and the people and an advisor with the people's well being in mind.
What about the Boomers?
Mr House: ''Because they're ridiculous! Because they galavant around the Mojave pretending to be Knights of Yore.''
Courier: ''Shit dawg you right''
The Courier, after galivanting around the Mojave pretending to be one of the Knights of Yore: Yeah man, those guys are stupid as all hell.
@@philipjorgensen2628 Let's be honest everyone did it just for power armor training
@@marioenriquecontrerasgarci4670 Honestly, looking back, even in the first fallout, I've always only loved the brotherhood because of their cool power armor and the chance to get one.
@@localman9063 tbh, at least in new vegas I killed them all with the pulse gun, got their power armor and then got the power armor training from the enclave remnants
@@marioenriquecontrerasgarci4670 Players who downloaded More Perks mod: "Y-Yeah, sure thing pal!"
Mr. House is woke af on all the factions
are you really sure about that?
he's a technocratic entity with like a billion IQ yeah i'm sure about that
You can't be Richer than him, Caps are meaningless when you control the means of production like Mr House.
+Hellsing What are you talking about, young man?
He is basically the House, you don't win against the House, he owns the most advance technology and basically New Vegas.
This is interesting because in Fallout 1 they were mostly an isolationist group that occasionally actually helped other settlements by providing their technology and assistance.
I guess the West Coast faction had further radicalized since then.
Ich Bin they didn't really get any more extreme than they already were. in fact, asking to talk to the brotherhood leadership results in them sending you to almost certain death.
Yeah, they weren't too big on anyone from the outside joining them so they mostly sent them on out on a deadly errand but there wasn't any mention of them seizing any technology from others and like I said they actually provided some of theirs on occasion to others, like the NCR and Vault 13.
In Fallout 2 they were actually more humble probably since they were getting their asses kicked by the Enclave. They worked together with the NCR to destroy them and even had a base in their capital.
By New Vegas they were just an isolationist group with no redeeming qualities as far as other factions were concerned.
They took the founder's "codex" to a completely new level. Much like the bible, the message was lost and the meanings twisted. Now all that's left is a group of raider in shiny power armors pretending to help humanity by keeping it techs away from them.
the east coast brotherhood actually helped people. of coarse they did wipe out most of the other powerful groups in the area but they did some good
Ich Bin They didn't helped anyone, as far as i know. They were extremaly isolationist, and decided to straight out murder me when i told one of thier knights that i were just wandering the wastes.
I love Mr. House so much. He's unironically my favorite fallout character, just because of how funny it is to witness the absolute outrage he constantly experiences with every single occurrence.
Yeah, he's my favorite faction leader in the entire Fallout series.
I agree
I'd imagine him praising that one if envy doesn't stop him from admitting it. Second most powerful faction in the Commonwealth but still a match for the likes of the Institute.
Mr House speaking to the Courier: "Get all these damn kids off my mutated lawn!"
When you walk into Hidden Valley with the Enclave Remnants Armor
*Why do I hear Order66 theme*
Chad.
"ED-E play pumped up kicks please"
@@nra4ever2011 "Fortunate Son is an acceptable substitute."
Imagine being able to raid Hidden Valley with the Remnants
I wonder what Mr. House would think about transferring his consciousness into a Synth body?
Nyrufa that would probably be a bad idea, it’d be like a downgrade as House can’t be killed unless you get to his capsule after you manage to take out a army of securitrons, plus he can take his consciousness on a securitron model, which makes a synth body unnecessary
But what if he had multiple copies of his consciousness, and if his synth body died a factory would just make a new one? Or he could control the synth remotely like a VR headset.
Jose Alcala not unnecssary per se... House could use a surrogate Synth vessel to move and feel human... somewhat. It's better than staying in that capsule of his.
@@durakeno5575 He's been in that machine far to long to care about feeling human anymore.
@@CThyran that's just your assumption. He wouldn't have corrected the courier about being human if he didn't care... or collecting snowglobes.
the saddest part about the brotherhood is their incredible potential
if they had clear cut long term goals, established themselves as a positive force in the wasteland, and actually fucking recruited then they could have made something.
they could have rebuilt humanity, but instead they chose to wither away inside of bunkers defending an ideology that doesn't really even make much sense.
they're basically a cult that had unusually good luck in acquiring weapons and armor.
if they didn't have their fancy weapons or power armor, then nobody would have thought twice about them. "oh yeah they're those creeps who hang out in bunkers"
all they had to do was listen to veronica, for fuck's sake
That is what they are doing on the East Coast, with the Lyons family and Elder Maxson.
By Veronica's time it was probably too little, too late. If they'd stuck to Maxon's original vision, and not lost sight of the fact they were collecting technology to help all of humanity, not just themselves, they could easily have become one of the most powerful and positive factions in the Wasteland.
The Brotherhood of Steel is about Collecting and preserving technology, and they do exactly that. Wastelanders are short sighted and not particularly intelligent. What do think will happen if they get there hands on a piece of rare technology? They'll probably strip it for parts or use it till it breaks. Now lets assume every wastelander does this, all of a sudden, a piece of technology no longer exists. It has been completely wiped off the face of the earth, because a selfish wastelander didnt know better. Now when the brotherhood of steel gets a hold of technology, they reverse engineer it and find out how to create more of it. The make blueprints so that particular piece of technology that could be very useful to people in a civilized society, will not disappear. "Everyone knows how to make another human, but the secrets to making a P94 Plasma Rifle are all but lost."
Is that really so bad? That mankind loses the ability to create energy weapons and has to revert back to conventional firearms? I'm sure the Followers of the Apocalypse have the blueprints for things such as the auto-doc, so as long as the Brotherhood is mainly producing weapons, (and I feel confident they are) why be support people who shoot lasers out of their eyes?
That's one of the main issues, they hoard only military technology. Sure enough some of them are worth keeping from the general population due to lack of education and outright ignorance, like giving a caveman a nuke. But since the NCR became more than just a small village and the Followers having expanded, that goal becomes less and less relevant because people know better. But they failed to evolve with the times, rather than take a less aggressive role and preach about the dangers of high-tech weapons, they hoard them still and kill anyone who would carry them, in fact, they constantly harass anybody that holds anything as small as a laser pistol, and if you refuse, well your caravan's going to end up as more ashes for the wastes.
Rest In Peace René Auberjonois, you brought life to some really fantastic characters.
Two DS9 actors gave their voices to two of the best video game characters.
House spoke ill of Todd's marketable metal men, and he took that personally.
How lmao ? Todd literally helped them write the brotherhood as assholes in the show that just came out
@@omeven5785as much as Bethesda showcases them as d-bags, they still have their own Brotherhood kink to add them whenever, whereever.
Plus BoS in the show is extremely overpowered, while meanwhile NCR is extremely underpowered, almost like a joke.
@@Gun_Metal_GreyThe Capital of the NCR got nuked... also the NCR is just a basic WW2/Modern Army(our modern) while the Brother hood has alot of Modern(in universe prewar) tech. Also it's the Westcoast brotherhood like from 4, which was by far the strongest in modern times, and most recent.
@@omeven5785 new vegas is gone in the tv show destroyed
@@thessjbacca5177A modern military wouldn’t have as much trouble with power armor as you think. .50 cal machineguns are common enough on vehicles and as static defenses, and can penetrate most armored personnel carriers, so they’d be more than capable of dealing with power armor (T-51 was stated to absorb up to 2,500 Joules of kinetic energy, .50 cal has about 21,000 Joules of kinetic energy).
The Browning M2 .50 cal heavy machinegun was designed in 1933, so it definitely exists in the Fallout universe.
Miniguns would definitely fire enough rounds that one of them is bound to hit a weak spot sooner rather than later. The miniguns in the games fire at like 10% the rate of fire of real miniguns and have underpowered damage for game balance. A minigun usually fires 7.62x51, which had around 3,000 J of kinetic energy.
That said, of course such heavy weaponry wouldn’t be as common in the post-apocalypse.
SODAZ has a series of videos about the Brotherhood-NCR battle for Helios, which I think realistically depicts how it would play out.
Emotional unstable techno-fetishist
Hitting a bit close to home
Mr. House is not emotionally unstable, tho.
@@ExecutiveSonda Yes he is, he's completely unchecked too.
@igor šajinović dude, eventually hes probably gonna try and pull a divayth fyr and make female copies of himself just to bang while as a synth..
@@shadysam7161 Nobody is safe from a little insanity in the Fallout Universe, each and every Player Character does a lot of insane crap too, whatever they want to, or not. Its the power of the Character to hold that insanity in check what makes them powerful, and with that in mind, House is one of the most powerful characters in the Fallout Universe, because nobody checks on him, he checks himself.
Also he ain't a techno-fetishist at all, he just uses Tech to take the lead, he doesn't praise it
@@ExecutiveSonda He will destroy entire factions just because they annoy him, he isn't as stoic as he claims
"The world has no place for emotionally unstable techno-fetishists"
-The guy who got off to scanning beautiful ladies' brains and owns a sexbot (two in cut content)
Lucy isn't a sexbot. House would probably get his entire pelvic region pulverized even if opening his pod didn't kill him. He kept her for company.
Monday Green you underestimate his power.
Where there's a whip there's a way.
Silent_Stalker:
We don't wanna go to war today, but the lord of the lash says nay nay naaay.
We're gonna march all day all day all daaay.
For where there's a whip, there's a way.
Thanks for getting that one back in my head.
It's heavily implied that House is asexual, and very asocial. Even though he was seen as a playboy, he didn't care about actually sleeping with women. He was just, as you mentioned before, experimenting on them.
LOL, the old Rankin-Bass LOTR cartoon!
Courier: "Tell me about Bethesda Softworks."
House: "They're a terrorist group, basically. Extortionist, quasi-religious fanatics obsessed with hoarding Fallout lore. Not all lore, mind you. You don't see them making stories out of deeply-philosophical wars between political ideologies or armfuls of well-written organizations. No, they greatly prefer the sort of lore that *_puts_* people in ideological conflicts. Or graves, rather, since ideologies and NPCs in Fallout went the way of the Dodo."
Courier: "Why do you hate Bethesda so much?"
House: "Because they're ridiculous! Because they galavant around the Fallout series pretending to be Knights of Todd. Or did, until Obsidian showed them that graphical purity and shiny Power Armor Frames don't count for much when you're outperformed in story-writing 15,000,000 to 1. The world has no need for mentally-delusional neo-f3tishists. Just wipe them out, will you?"
Courier: "I don't want to kill off Bethesda from the series."
House: "Don't tell me that you've fallen for the pseudo-stories of Appalachian Vault Dwellers on crusade, preserving a madman's money in a benighted age? DROSS!"
F3 had higher reviews than New Vegas, & F4 outsold it completely.
Sir Mount And you judge their performance solely on reviews? Metacritic's accuracy is questionable. It should be community consensus at this point that the reviewers at Metacritic aren't exactly thinking straight. New Vegas had the best writing, there were no non sequiturs or stupid holes in the plot or lore, unlike Fo3 or Fo4.
Fo4 outsold Vegas because the former was intended for the greatest common denominator of the community and it had a great superficial charm. When you look closer at the lore and plot of Fo4 you realize how nonsensical and choiceless it is. Vegas had choices and factions which you could understand. Fo4 had plenty illusions of choice that ultimately led to the exact same outcome, and a sincere lack of common sense in many factions. Imagine. You leading the Minutemen and building hundreds of settlements armed to the teeth with nigh-nuclear weapons and Automatrons and somehow they still have people kidnapped by drab Raiders with pipe pistols. Imagine. You expand the Minutemen into a vast organization who has retaken the Castle and avenged Quincy... and your troops still have pipe pistols and laser muskets as their weapons. Your settlements can't even properly defend themselves without your personal intervention even when given more weapons of mass destruction than SADDAM HUSSEIN! Yeah, makes no sense.
Sir Mount, MetaCritic is owned by Sony, and if you look at Fallout 3 and 4 Mod videos or Fallout New Vegas vanilla videos than you’d see that true fans of Fallout hate the Fallout 3 and 4 vanilla game entirely.
FMJackal I was referring to the wild neomania going on about graphics over writing quality
Bethesda's fallout games are not that bad (excluding 76).
"The World has no need for unstable techno-fetishists"
Yes, Fabricator-General, this Tech-Heretic right here
*heretek
It just occurred to me that the Mechanicus would have a field day in the Big MT... right up until they discover the toaster-destroying toaster.
@@natalie6811 I actually think they went past big MT. tech (and crazy) wise.
HolyOverseer Yeah, but don’t they prize any stashes of ancient tech they find?
@@natalie6811 the Mechanicus would exterminatus Fallout Earth as soon as they found AI.
Would definitely agree with Mr. House on this. The DC Brotherhood in Fallout 3 is an aberration rather than the norm as far as the Brotherhood of Steel's original mission/goals. The DC chapter, as headed by Elder Lyons, was more interested in helping rebuild the Capital Wasteland into a viable community rather than gathering old-world tech. They lost their appeal for me when Elder Maxon took them over and returned them to hoarding technology and destroying those who opposed them--made it a lot easier for me to wipe them out in Fallout 4 as well as burying the Nevada chapter under tons of rubble New Vegas.
@Infinite Adriannn meanwhile Maxon’s BoS seems to have taken a page or two from the enclave
@@thelonecourier3439 The Enclave had a different definition of "other"... that's all.
@@thelonecourier3439 not really. The enclave wanted to wipe out everything and restart with their own people. Maxson doesn’t want to kill the civilians of the wastes, he just doesn’t want them to have technology capable of posing a threat
In Fallout 3 they're just playing the role of "the good guys", opposing Super Mutants (who basically got turned into orcs by Bethesda writers) and the evil Enclave. Any nuance BoS has was really downplayed in comparison to the fact that they're "the good guys" of that pretty simplistic story.
In Fallout 4 they're just as cliche, but this time they're copying Mechanicus from Warhammer 40k, down to "techno-heresy" nonsense.
It's pretty obvious that different Fallouts were written by different people. In Black Isle/Obsidian Fallouts, BoS went from being an ideology-heavy group that thought themselves superior to everyone else in Fallout 1 to getting their asses kicked by Enclave and losing some relevance in Fallout 2, to never really recovering from that since a new power - NCR arose about the same time and BoS no longer had the biggest stick around, even after Enclave got blown up. BoS position in the world was kind of dependent on their superior weapons, but after getting big enough NCR didn't have to deal with BoS default claim to any tech they think should be in their hands.
@@demilung yeah, it all demonstrates the biggest problem with Bethesda's approach to Fallout. Fact is that they never understood or cared about making their games lore fit with what FO1 ans FO2 established. They wanted the IP for its aesthetic alone and it shows time and time again in their shitty writing.
Broke: Positive reputation with the Brotherhood of Steel
Woke: Destroying the BoS bunker when House asks you to
Bespoke: Destroying the BoS bunker before House asks you to
Alternatively, gain their trust, honor it, and crusade around the wasteland with Power Armor because it's the closest I'm getting to ceramite and I won't dishonor my chapter by turning traitor
@@ladywaffle2210 Join the Enclave brother! We do the same except we also kill the mutants too!
@@alpharius2omegaboogaloo384 No, your buildings are too white
@@ladywaffle2210 I don’t get the joke?
@@alpharius2omegaboogaloo384 I meant that literally, your buildings are too white. Unless I'm thinking of someone else.
In House's defense, unless you have Veronica as a companion, your first interaction with the Brotherhood involves either being shot at by their patrols, or having them slap a bomb collar on you.
Unless Im doing an NCR run that involves making peace with the BoS, you bet your bottom cap Im blowing up Hiden Valley.
Rookie numbers. You gotta do
the NCR 60s CIA political assassin playthru and destroy the bunker after the Battle of Hoover Dam is won
@@qualicumjack3906 Just be sure to complete veronica quest line before yoy massacre BoS
I always have veronica as my first companion, even before ed-e or rex so i always get into hidden valley freely
Actully in my first playtrough i tought it was just normal
Wait their patrols spawn before you enter the bunker? I’ve never had that happen, although i basically never just randomly hang around Hidden Valley before getting Veronica, I usually quickly pass through during my shortcut to Vegas and come back later with her to gain access.
@@Slender_Man_186 from what I get, you need to enter Hidden Valley (not the bunker, but the outskirts) in the night where the sandstorm shows up and wander around, they are patrolling in those hours
Hey am I the only one that never killed Mr. House and took over, because he is kind of the most interesting character in the game?
Yes
I liked the NCR and was hoping to make some kind of alliance between him and them since they were the closest to a "civilized" faction but he is one stubborn Computer Screen.
@@Shift_Salt
The NCR want to rip away the city he saved and built while running around like pre-war American soldiers pretending to be fighting for liberty and freedom.
Me too bro
Mr. House and Caesar are honestly my favourite characters in the game. I hate both of them with a passion, but that's because they're so well-written that they can elicit genuine contempt from me. It takes a lot of skill to create characters who feel like real, terrible people.
>not all technology, mind you
In one sentence, he anahilated the moral stance of the Brotherhood.
Gotta agree with House on this one. They just hang out in a hole hoarding weapons, and massacred the nicest people in the wasteland because they were afraid one of their members might leave
Yup they slaughtered the followers
I'm pretty sure those were rouge palladins. Even other BoS members will attack them if you lure them into the bunker.
Used to regret blowing them up, then I realized you couldn't ally with them if you instated Hardin (which I did) so I regretted it less as it had to happen
Realizing they'd massacre the best faction in-game makes my only regret losing out on the exp that the quest would've given (which might've led to the followers dying)
@@nashooo5903 You managed to go with those to the bunker somehow ?
@@thelocalcrusader9522 They massacre only small portion of Followers,so dont get that sad,its small sacrifice for completing Veronica quest,and also some extra free power armor too XD
I hate the brotherhood for the same reason I hate the Institute in Fallout 4, both claim to be working to save mankind and technology, yet the Brotherhood only values weapons and doesn't share, while the Institute actively destroys any attempt by people in the Commonwealth to rebuild.
Aren't wastelanders able to join the BOS in Fallout 4?
That's the East Coast chapter of the Brotherhood. They were a complete 180 of themselves. West Coast almost never allowed outsiders to get in good with them, in Fallout 1 the Brotherhood sends you on a suicide run to get entrance and they're surprised when you come back alive.
Don't be fooled by their self imposed nobility, they're just the Enclave's better half.
@@hueylongdong347 the mid west chapter is more liberal because ghouls and supermutants can join
Fright Wright okay, but the thing is, before fallout 4, the outcasts took over and killed Elder Lyons and Sarah Lyons, placing Maxon as elder, with outcast ideology, which is pretty much the same as west coast ideology. They’re portrayed as more “good-guyish”, but they’re just like the west coast BOS
The institute are pretty badly written anyway. Literally the answer to the question “why are you ruining the lives of people on the surface” is “it’s too complicated to explain”. There’s no justification or explanation for why they do that shit other than it makes them spooky. Yeah, they do share some faults with west coast (and east coast BOS as of fallout 4), but they’re way more forward thinking and in the long term can help humanity
If anyone was wondering about the music, it's called "Radiation Storm". It's from the original Fallout game, in a location called "The Glow".
It fits House's character so MUCH. Also that track is my favourite from Fallout 1's OST
Ah that explains why I felt in danger when I visited house the first time.
@@Gun_Metal_Grey my favorite is Metallic Monks or Vats of Goo
quite funny, because BoS dudes there send the vault dweller to a certain death there
how the tables have turned,lol
I wasn't sure what exactly to make of Mr .House up until this point in the main quest. When I realized we both wanted the BoS fucking destroyed, I... Kinda fell in love with him.
Who doesn't love House the man is a genius.
I mean,you're a courier that compromised his life's project and what he genuinely believed to be Mankind's salvation,if anything,he treats you rather fairly;at his ending he does reward you and feels proud of you.
Though yeah,the game doesn't do a very good job at investing you into helping him.
If you ask him stuff like: "Where does the strip get electricity from"(After he tells you about the dam)
I was horrified, but I still carried it out. I knew the Brotherhood as a cult of glorified robbers, but I thought blowing them up was overkill. Still, I'd rather have House than the NCR and the Legion. He's also better at running things than what I would.
The wonders of New Vegas. No matter how well intentioned you are, you *will* do some henious actions underway. Not the black and white conflict as in Fallout 3. New Vegas was the first game that truly made me break my own morals and principals.
I love Mr. House. The man could quite literally save the human race and set us back on our rightful path to the stars essentially *singlehandedly.*
Unfortunately for him and everyone else, I'm Brotherhood-for-life 😎
*TV Show spoilers*
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I'm really hoping that The House Always Wins ends up being canon, I can't get enough of Mr. House he's such a cool character.
The show's depictions of events before New Vegas are irreconcilable with the events of the game.
@@ZontarDowjust let Bethesda cook one last time let’s see where they are going with it
This is how every fallout fan feels after Bethesda makes them the most powerful faction for the 3rd time in a row.
but they have
POWER
ARMOR
I feel like this was a bit of a dig by obsidian against Bethesda for what they did in fallout 3.
Graknorke How could it possibly be that when his words apply to the West Coast Brotherhood more than they do the East Coast Brotherhood?
Because bethesda doesnt understand fallout
And we never heard anything from Obsidian ever again...
@@Birkebeiner1066 Pillars of Eternity, The Outer Worlds
@@yokatta-f r/whoooooosh
#MrHouseDidNothingWrong
Of course House hates a faction that hoards pre-War technology, hides itself away in pre-War structures, lives in the past, and advocates a vague glorious plan for the future of humanity that is dependent on their supremacy and of dubious practicality at best. He doesn't like competition.
@@williambrennan104 Actually, the main reason House hates the BoS is because he knows they won't approve of him using robots to keep the peace.
@@williambrennan104
Stop copy-pasting your dumb reply to every comment out here.
You mean beside disregarding human lives and treating Vegas as his personal playground?
@@trustinfaith9778 How does he disregard human life? He's literally doing all this for humankind.
No one seems to have commented on how cleverly this is written. House, in his hubris, cant see that hes also describing himself: he too is a technofetishist who's only interested in tech that makes him more powerful.
He makes fun of the brotherhood for pretending to be knights before saying, without a hint of irony, "anyways, this is an employer-employee relationship." House is also pretending to be a member of a long defunct social hierarchy -- a capitalist in midcentury america -- and is no less deluded than the brotherhood.
New Vegas has to be one of the most tightly written video games of all time
I think by "techno-fetishists", he refers to how they just hoard technology for the sake of hoarding, with no clear goal in mind, like a kleptomaniac who steals things not because of need but because he likes stealing. House actually tries using that technology, and has many plans for it, so he isn't a "dead end" like the BoS, and his statement doesn't really make him a hypocrate
Agree that the irony of him using old world terms for his relationship with the player after mocking the BoS is perfect. He genuinely doesn't see any similarities.
Although as Casual said, the difference is he's not the dead end that the BoS are, he's pushing big plans using his technology. Plans that one day, would help everyone.
@@kickerz7914 i dont think his goals are all that different from the brotherhoods tbh. Both they and House want a future where they are the gatekeepers of all old world tech.
Imo, House's good intentions arent all that meaningful in practice
@@FD_and_B I agree with the gatekeeper part definitely. Both want control. But I think the key difference is that House wants to spread his technology to people so he can have them restart industry and eventually have humanity head for the stars. All whilst personally holding the reigns of course. It's a strong future, maybe a bit too authoritarian, but as far as Fallout goes that's okay.
The Brotherhood however wouldn't trust anyone outside their group with a really shiny spoon. It's their unwillingness to actually use their technology to help people that is their biggest failing when compared to House. As Veronica puts it "Waiting in a hole for everyone else to die" They offer no real future for themselves or the people of the wasteland.
(Sorry for the long ass reply lol)
Yes but unlike the Brotherhood, House is actually doing a damn thing. Self serving or not, House has a vision and a plan to make something out of what's left of the wasteland. A plan that will eventually culminate in leaving Earth and colonizing another planet. THAT kind of grand ambition is something the Brotherhood couldn't even be half-assed to dream up.
"Because they're ridiculous" is so well delivered. It's like even House, the smartest guy in the Mojave, is just bewildered at their weird self-righteous game of dress up
You know, the only reasons i fell bad about killing the BOS it's because veronica, then his quest happen and i went full murder on them.
I recall the BoS will send a kill team to the Followers outpost if she decides to join them. Can't recall if Veronica dies too but the BoS slaughter a lot of folks who swore an oath to do no harm.
Significantly lowers my sympathy for the BoS.
@@MediumRareOpinions The Mojave Brotherhood is extremely split. If you recall, there is even a kill squad after you and Veronice just for talking with the Elder. Also recall that you do not lose any relation with the BoS for murdering those assholes. Because they are not representative of McNamaras leadership.
I always pushed to help the Brotherhood, partly because i just find their ideology fascinating, partly because Veronica is just very charming about them. They are reclusive, self-absorbed and everything bad that they are accused of. But i worked hard with them, because their potential is just so immense. And wouldn't you know it, they actually do change. Gradually, yes, but they change. Become more ready to open up to the world and even ally themselves with their former enemy, NCR.
And after all that work to set them on the right path, and seeing it come to fruition, House tells me to murder them, children and all. Because he doesn't believe them to be capable to improve. Because he doesn't believe that people can change. And why would he? He didn't. Worked 200+ years to achieve his goal, to control Vegas. A city build on debauchery and malice.
@@Hunterfalke The fragmented nature of the chapter is an illustration of why *no* other faction in the region trusts the BOS.
They're inherently unstable by nature, routinely compete for hierachal dominance and splinter into sub chapters when disagreements go unsolved partly due to their dogmatic codex which makes resolutions harder.
Roleplaying for a moment, I can't ever *trust* a faction which can't or doesnt want to control its members who have access to arms and armor which lore wise is enough to level a town.
Renegade Kill squads operating without Elder approval (or secretly under elders orders) is not endearing me to their organisation.
Regardless of how well intentioned certain individual leaders are, the faction as a whole has *serious* issues cleaning house.
Same, otherwise I feel nothing but pleasure in destroying them.
@@Hunterfalke That last paragraph was damn poignant. Do you write for anything (youtube videos, fiction, etc.)? I think you'd be good at it
this is how i feel about them too after watching the fallout series
House is so poetic, he must be an individual whom watches Richard & Mortimer
Mmmmmm yes. indeed. Only a person with a really high IQ would be able to catch that reference Sir Poop Tickler!
mmm yes quite
forsen boys
why is it always people with names like Poop Tickler that make these comments
Funny how people think watching rick and morty means you are smart
Based and housepilled
Oh How fine this aged.
Yeah, now that the shine has worn off Obsidian's midwit writing, we can all have a good laugh at their writers thinking it was "Knights of Yore," as though "Yore" were a country lol
@@MegaZeta Nobody was thinking yore was a country, you're just throwing out bad bait. The phrase "Knights of Yore" is in fact often capitalized like that.
Try harder next time.
@@MegaZeta Straight from /v/ to TH-cam, huh?
I think the aged statement refers to our own batch of technofetishists in the modern day.
@lefishe5845 I'm pretty sure that's not the case. They were probably talking about the depiction of the West Coast Brotherhood in the show.
I'm still mad you can't ask him "What's a dodo ?"
I can already predict his response. _"Exactly."_
Bethesda still doesn't understand this...
They probably do, to be honest.
I'd disagree there. It all depends on the vision of the leaders, really. Lyons probably figured out what Veronica did, and the West Coast elders didn't: their strict isolationism would just lead to them withering away. Even Maxon, for all his reverting to the Brotherhood's roots, wasn't as rigidly dogmatic as the Mojave chapter, and that lead to the Brotherhood becoming a powerhouse on the East Coast rather than a tiny, dwindling faction held up in a few bunkers.
Sadly Maxson's way won't last. It has power now, but that was mostly due to the progressive attitude of the Lyons' family, which gave them a huge boost. With Maxson going back to the basics, it's only a matter of time before the new Brotherhood dies, as can happen in the game.
If their official fallout twitter is posting "destruction of the brotherhood", I'm sure they've been wanting to get rid of them since they took ownership of Fallout.
Considering the institute is the best option in fallout 4 , I think they understand this.
Institute is about to get the G.E.C.K and completely repair the surface.
20 years later and the brotherhood still haven’t moved Project Purity up and down the coast removing radiation.
They do not give a flying vertibird of a fuck.
you know mr house was born in 2020 so hes probably out there somewhere watching skibidi toilet on an ipad
Good thing iPads were never invented in the fallout universe
you just know Emil and Todd were fucking FUMING when they got to this part.
But they went back to make the BoS in F4 exactly like what House said though?
Especially now that they deleted the NCR and legion off the map just to Simp for the Bos again.
@@masgaz9748 yeah but they very clearly framed them as the badass good guys who beat the bad guy faction
@@jackmcmorrow9397no they didn’t? in fact, they’re portrayed as pretty evil. the civilians have multiple lines of dialogue where they say they feel unsafe with these unknown soldiers in power armor stomping around the wasteland and destroying everything, innocent farmers have their food „requisitioned“ independently of whether they wanna give the brotherhood their supplies or not, and elder maxson wants to kill danse for being a synth the whole time, when he could simply banish him from the brotherhood instead and get the same result as he would’ve with killing him but without any violence. this is something you can only achieve through speech checks, by the way. the whole thing with the brotherhood in fo4 is that they are violent, racist, ultra religious techno fetishists, that the general populace disapproves of, but they ultimately can’t deny that their brutal violent ways bring an order to the wasteland that no other more peaceful faction has ever been able to. so, you’re kind of forced to pick as the player. do you want order and peace through an iron fist (brotherhood of steel), or order and peace through diplomacy and rebuilding (minutemen)
Honestly, the ironny of all these people who have convinced themselves Bethesda irrationally hate New Vegas, when really they just irrationally hate Bethesda 😂
Here after watching the fallout show
The courier :" Ima gonna destroy BoS"
Lucy's dad in the show : "Ima gonna do a magic trick. Tadaa! I made shady sands dissappear!"
Ironic, since "Knights of Yore" is exactly the sort of midwit error you can expect from Obsidian's writers, as though that were a specific order of knights from a country called Yore
@@MegaZeta
Keep seething Todd howard. Fo4 will always be worse than Fnv 😂
@@MegaZeta You lack reading comprehension ima respond to every one of your comments i see, WHEN HE SAYS KNIGHTS OF YORE, THINK OLD. HE MEANS KNIGHTS OF OLD, OF THE PAST. Yore defined is, OF LONG AGO OR FORMER TIMES.
They really did just have shady sands go byebye. Im sorry, but the ncr could kick the brotherhood of steel square in the ball bearings.
I am with Mr. House on this one and not just this one. I rolled all the paths several times. Well Legion just once to see if they have any sort of redeeming value and they dont, those people make me sick. No better than fiends really. Mr. House FTW.
Back to the Brotherhood of Steel. It is understandable that after Fallout 3 people would sympathise with BOS but lets not forget that Lyons chapter of BOS in D.C. is not exactly a good example how the true BOS really is.
Remember there was an outcast faction in D.C.? Well those were not really outcasts actually those so called outcasts were BOS members who remained true to their ideology of hoarding pre-war technology (mostly military tech) and keeping it out of everyone else's hands while killing as much primitive tribals as possible in the process.
But Lyons was a nice idealistic guy with a good heart so he ended up wanting to help people wich resulted in tensions within the D.C. chapter and eventually led to the creation of the outcast faction who left Lyons and continued on their own in their original mission of hoarding advanced pre-war tech and weapons while ignoring or killing non BOS people. For more accurate depiction see the BOS from Fallout 1 and 2.
When you first meet up with Mojave chapter of BOS they are not very nice to our courier either unless he or she has Veronica with them plus Mojave BOS most likely decided not to kill the courier just because they were in a tight spot and needed all the help they could get.
Is BOS bad? I dont think so. Or at least not outright evil, for the most part. Perhaps misguided. We get to know them a bit and learn they are just as human as anyone else in this wasteland but there is a but like with just about every other faction. They are too reclusive aggressive and too obsessed with hoarding pre-war tech and keeping it to themselves.
Lyons in D.C. might have been white knighting but to be honest that man had the right idea. BOS has the power and resources to an extent to somewhat help improve humanity's current fucked up situation yet they choose not to.
Despite the fact that in doing so they would also help themselves. BOS is good at making enemies but not friends. Worth mentioning is that isolationism will only take you so far. A small strictly extremely enclosed comunity like that will either die out or inbreed and go degenerate. Or get killed off as they can not replenish lost manpower, at least not fast enough unlike NCR through recruiting and consription or Mr. House by well, building more robots.
Not to mention with people outside getting stronger and organised large factions or nations like NCR are formed which can easily roflstomp the BOS by sheer numbers alone. As Veronica is rightly concerned BOS must change if its people want to survive.
The fear of humans using tech to destroy themselves again which was held by BOS founders after the great war was perhaps justified but on the other hand wouldn't educating people about the past mistakes and dangers of pre-war tech while helping in rebuilding a new brighter, okay maybe not so brighter as we have enough radiation as is but a safer world be a better objective?
That sayd, the destruction of BOS is not the most fortunate outcome as it means a loss of capable people. Humanity needs not only all the technology and knowledge it can muster but also capable people in order to survive, rebuild and eventually thrive.
I use the word capable with reserves though as apparently the BOS Paladins were killed by threats that were no match for a random passing by mail man.
Now I dont say they must all hold hands and sing Kumbaya, that's reserved for General Oliver. But they should at least come together, see the bigger picture and do what needs to be done to rebuild what was foolishly destroyed.
The most optimal outcome imo would be if by some miracle we could get Mr. House, NCR and BOS to work together in rebuilding mankind. Of course NCR would need to clean up their corruption and greed. BOS would need to let go of the old useless mantra and Mr. House well, to accept them for what they are.
I am sure if progress and better future was the objective of all then Mr. House would come around. He sayd that himself. All I care about is progress. However since that is not possible to achieve without modding the main quest the next best choice for long term prosperity of mankind is Mr. House.
While the NCR is not a bad faction per se, it has issues and I doubt they could achieve what Mr. House can.
NCR can offer relative freedom and safety. Really, like Nipton burned by Legion, NCRCF over run by criminals, all the dead caravans by the road side, fiends all around New Vegas, Freeside full of thugs, Legion spy at McCarran, Deathclaws in the Quarry, with Lee Oliver singing Kumbaya, ranger chief Hanlon high on crack seeing Super Mutant Legionnaires and Khan trained Deathclaws floating around all the while people are butchered and enslaved by the baldy Caesar. Where is a Brutus when you need one? Oh, wait that has to be me too. Great job NCR I already feel free and safe, only I am wearing power armor holding a big ass gun with plenty of ammo in my pockets doing your job for you cleaning this mob infested hellhole.
And the poor troops at McCarran still can't stop pooping because all they have is canned beans and totally broken down kitchen equipment because I cant be at fifty places at once fixing literally everything while being chased by retarded Legion Assassins who are dead set on being killed by this one specific courier in the name of baldy Caesar.
That reminds me I also need to look in to the water issue at that farm. I wonder, if I follow the big ass pipes from wich the water flows maybe I can find something. I bet the troops on site haven't thought of that instead just complained blaming the farmers working their asses of there to be simply lazy.
In other news a package courier found shot in the head near Goodsprings made a full recovery, butchered the Great Khans, ass raped Benny boy in his own casino and after marching in to the fort like Hugo Boss killed the baldy Caesar.
Our courier then walked in to Nelson and annihilated the huge Legion army there. All the 6 or so dudes and finally broke the complicated stalemate between NCR and Legion while on a routine delivery of a postcard to a resident of Nelson.
The resident was also found shot in the head but unlike the courier he did not make a full recovery. At present it is yet unknown whether the courier shot the resident. Hopefully the investigation of NCIS Mr. Grissom and his team will soon yield results.
Boy that must be one hell of a bad ass courier though. I wonder if he is related to John Statham. This was Mr. Pre-war Vegas covering for Mr. New Vegas.
Good lord is everybody in that joint a fucking idiot?
NCR should be renamed to The New Courier Republic since it seem it takes a random mailman to take care of all the military, logistical, scientific and political business.
And you can have all this with a two headed bear flag on top at the cost of corrupt officials and taxes with some long term progress in science perhaps. Yeah, because we totally need those plant zombies from Vault 22 everywhere Dr. Hildern.
But I digress. NCRs ambition is mostly to annex land and hoard up resources. They lack other drive beyond greed. With no larger ambition or visions it will be just that, day in day out. In a none changing post apocalyptic wasteland with no major development.
With Mr. House on the other hand. The man pursues progress, he has ambitions and means to achieve them. He can bring safety, prosperity and rebuild mankinds lost glory. His intelect and knowledge are invaluable. Anyone who killed him is a fool in my opinion.
As for the alternatives? What alternatives? Various raider groups? Deathclaws? The fucked up Legion? Powder Gangers? Radscorpions? Followers of the Apocalypse who cant even protect themself? Gang of Elvis's? Freeside junkies? Brotherhood of Steel wich will eventually die out or degenerate?
Boomers, although they can protect themselves well and are not evil like raiders or legion, they would still share similar fate with BOS if they keep isolating themselves.
With a line up of choices like these NCR is a good choice true but Mr. House is the best choice, if you care at all about the future of mankind. The few downsides his lets call it regime may have are vastly outweigh by all the positives he can bring to humanity as a whole in the big picture.
Too long. Damn it I did it again. Ah screw it, read or dont. Cheers.
Legion is no better than Fiends? Something tells me you didn't talk to anyone during your Legion run; you were too busy thinking how you would do things if you were siding with House. You list all the things that make NCR shit and still end up saying that "NCR is a good choice" compared to the Legion.
Dialogue with Cass, Raul, and Dale Barton reveal that the Legion lands are already safer than any other faction in the Mojave. Cass states that the Legion protects their caravans,supply lines, and roads. Even Fiends hesitate to attack Legion-marked caravans. If you are able to talk to Driver Nephi or Cook-Cook through mods, or even dialogue with Hsu, you find out Fiends are not intimidated by the NCR which is why they will send people to harass Camp McCarran every day. The only other thing that makes Fiends hesitate is Meansonfoabitch, but even then that's not much of a deterrent as people in Westside complain about daily Fiend attacks.
Dale Barton confirms Cass's statements about caravan security. He says when he travels he doesn't even need a guard because there are no raiders in Legion lands. He also states that Legion doesn't burden him with taxes something which the NCR does and probably House would too. House has the 3 Families pay him which they resent. If you have Primm fall under NCR rule, House sends his securitrons to collect heavy taxes on them. I wouldn't put it past him to have taxes on caravans if he controlled the Mojave.
Raul states life back east before the Legion was complete shit. He says that life was very difficult due to raiders everywhere. When you start Honest Hearts, if you talk to the people in the Happy Trails Caravan Company, they mention that the White Legs and 80s are pretty much in control up north. NCR couldn't deal with the White Legs and ended up getting roads destroyed.
You can't say that Legion makes you sick by saying they're worse than Fiends without showing your ignorance or your bias. Fiends use chems to make them battle effective which makes them go insane. Legion prohibits their use. St. James and Dermot sells children to Fiends for whatever vile purposes. Cook-Cook burns his slaves alive; you find an instance in Dermot's ledger that he burns a boy he bought and burns Pretty Sarah after raping her. Even Canyon Runner shows more mercy to the Weathers family. He says "normally they would have to die," but seeing how weak they are, he lets them live.
I'm not arguing that the Legion is better than House; I'm arguing that the Legion is a better compared to the NCR, tribals, and the Fiends. This meme of "Legion are just raiders and don't have a future" needs to stop.
Yeah I have to disagree with you. Considering Legion members have a habit of doing the same things Cook-Cook does I am really not seeing much of a difference.
sabergreen2010 legion doesn't go nearly as extreme as cook cook or the fiends. Anyone the legion tortures or enslaves are enemies of war, simple as that. they may seem brutal, but it's the best way to ensure actual stable society is set up, rather than the barely functional society of the NCR that's headed towards collapse.
Considering I've found evidence Legion members who partake in both rape and Cannibalism I'm still not seeing a difference. The only thing I could maybe the legion has a different stance on is drug use and that's questionable if the Legion actually holds up to that standard since officers can be found taking chems in their private quarters. As far as stability goes I have to disagree there too. Without Ceaser the legion will collapse. Loyalty to him is what's holding it together as Marcus said "They follow the man not his ideals." As far as people the legion subjects their cruelty to being enemies of war. Does it really matter when the Legion are the instigators of that war?
sabergreen2010 where is this evidence? Is this indicative of the entire legion at all or just those people? Also Chem use is a crime, the guilty officer does it in secret for a reason. Otherwise, he'd be executed.
A proper heir or the city of vegas itself, and the legion is fine for decades to come. If not fighting for caesar, the legion can fight for vegas.
This is why I like Fallout New Vegas, there is no "perfect" ending
All the Fallouts were like that up till Bethesda
@@Lordborgoth666 OK in retrospect, there is a perfect ending for fallout 2, except for maybe which family you help out in new reno
@@MrJason005 Yeah but back in the day getting that ending was slim didnt have the inerwebs like we do now. But i see your point
@jumpformylove what do you think of the brotherhood of steel?
Thats exactly why i love it so much, it shows how crap humans have been and always will be. We will always be doomed to repeat our mistakes. Utopia is unreachable and will forever be.
Because woo... woo nevah changez
Funny thing is that they were a critique on old school isolationism while enclave was a hit at nationalism, so similar yet so very different.
He hit the nail on the head
"went the way of the dodo"
insane line
it's a common saying
I can’t believe Andrew Ryan had a good take on the BoS
Yeah, this Howard Hughes guy is woke af
My man Mr. House thinks the same way I do. This is why he's my favorite character
He likes snow globes. That’s enough for me
@@deeta000 2k caps each. That's enough for me.
Whenever someone says BoS is the best faction I'm just going to link them this video.
BoS is the best faction.
Maybe you should play the real fallout to know that the brotherhood is indeed the best faction
Aviansie Murderer
Uryendel hoarders
This video is useless. Bethesda has all the say on what the Brotherhood is or will become.
First time i played New vegas (and being my first time playing a FO) i betray him because i wanted to protect the brotherhood ........
Now i kinda agree with him
"They galavant around the wasteland like knights of yore" Some even claimed to be searching for the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch
New name for a legendary fatman
*Knights of Yore, as Obsidian's writer apparently believed "Yore" was a country with an order of knights
@@MegaZetaWhats with you? I want to read replies that are not you.
House was right all along.
Really funny to come back to this after the Fallout TV show.
He’s damn right about them
@@ElysiumCreator In the show however, they seem like saints in comparison to Mr. House. If you've watched it all.
@@Sirvalian
Saints? When they gun down civillians. Least smooth brained brotherhood of slop famboy btw
@@Sirvalian Don't Like what they did with House in the show and im really getting tired of the BoS.
And House isn't wrong, unless we're talking about Fallout 3's brotherhood of steel (which was demonized by 4). Honestly though, the brotherhood of steel isn't evil. They're in a grey area if you ask me. Their intentions are well meaning, but they go too far to achieve those goals. Way too far. They're willing to slaughter the followers of the apocalypse, who by the way, are without a doubt, the most moral group in fallout PERIOD. And when the courier goes to their bunker, the first thing they do (unless you have Veronica) is lock the door behind you, threaten to kill you if you don't hand over everything you have, and I do mean everything, then put a bomb collar on you that goes KA-BOOM if you wander too far.
Yeah lmao then they act like you're their best friend after forcing you to kill for them. Lmao I'm not you friend and I'm going to blow your shithole bunker up
They’re not really grey. They’re evil. They’ll rob you if you have something they want, & kill you if you resist.
Well, are you not the one that walks right into there well hidden Base? What would you expect?
@@grimgrauman7650: I could understand them issuing a warning for you to leave. I could understand them locking you up for trespassing, storing away your gear and interrogating you. HELL, I could understand them just straight up killing you for being too curious. Putting a bomb around your throat and ordering you to do their dirty work is a cruel and unnecessary, especially for a faction that believes in a sense of honor.
Tiss fant Lets be honest, all ideologies are like that. I can’t name a single ideology that wouldn’t change their opinion or develop a biased about you for promoting their cause
the brotherhood of shit is nothing more than raider in power armors.
Minato Shujinko we are not raiders
We exterminate all threats to humanity
Arthur Maxson That's right, Ad Victoriam sir!
Arthur Maxson Yep, keep telling this to yourself. Fuck the BoS.
MarshallK so your saying super mutants, feral ghouls and synths dont go around slaughtering humans.
How can you be this stupid?
When did I say such things? I agree on that Super Mutants, FERAL Ghouls and synths should be exterminated, but the fact how the BoS works and destroy anything/anybody who's not blindly following them makes them stinking for me.
The show really proved House right.
Which is kind of rich considering what he does in the show
The brotherhood in the show are very diffrent from what we've seen perviously though.
@@DaDungeseems like the BoS is the last faction standing. Uniting with the eastern BoS. Now the Brotherhood spans from sea to shining sea…
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 Except the Cleric in the tv show talked about becommign the head of the brotherhood. That sounds like Mutiny against the east coast. Also the broterhood tkaing orders from the commonwealth rather than the citadel makes me fear that something happened to the citadel.
@@DaDunge I always assume an elder or high ranking paladin is scheming for more power in the organization.
"Don't tell me that you've fallen for the stories of noble paladins on crusade, preserving mankind's technology in a benighted age?"
That's a clear jab at Bethesda's version of the BoS on Fallout 3
Ironic, since it's pure Obsidian for a professional writer to think "Knights of Yore" is a specific gang of knights
@@MegaZeta My shlawg youve responded to everyone mentioning the "Knights of Yore" line, Youre pissed because you dont realize he isnt trying to refer to them as a specific gang of knights, what he is trying to say is theyre galavanting around like the knights of old, He isnt referring to a specific group other than the brotherhood. All hes saying is he hates how they parade around the wasteland attempting to be like the knights in shining armor of the past. Learn words
You know I'm replaying Fallout 3 now and it's pretty evident the BoS faction has been cut off from the rest of the brotherhood and are dwindling in numbers.
HEARTBREAKING: The Worst Person You Know Just Made A Great Point
Worst?
He does share filespace with Caesar.
I don´t think he is a bad person, he is a bit annoying, arrogant and selfish but i think that in the end, he wants the best for the Mojave
@@lean6546 For humanity mah dude.
Still killed him and went for the independant ending. Cause fuck him for forcibly expulsing the poor peoples out of New Vegas in freeside and then let them live in squalid, precarious conditions and poverty, mere meters away from a place ripe with luxury.
I have a theory on why House is so adamant the BoS must go, if you leave them alone in the playthrough that means no killing them then they will always take HELIOS One which is a big problem because they may very well activate ARCHIMEDES which will give them an edge if House wins and if they discover Euclid's C-finder then they have the means of launching a full scale assault on the Strip. My guess is House was very well aware what was at HELIOS One and wanted them out of the picture before they could use it.
they would most likely have killed the children for the range finder aswell
WE WUZ
KNIGHTZ N
SHIET
kek
WE WUZ KANGS
Synths be like WE WUZ HOOMANZ
Mr House roasting Todd's favorite faction
This is why Todd ok’d the show being cannon and destroying established lore
Mr house knows what’s up. He’s a realist
Caesar is more of realist
@Inner Voice
As you say, pal. Have a nice day!
@@RadX_98 I dont think so he talks about history but forgets its lessons by repeating them.
Caesar is a egoistic megalomaniac who just wants to feel powerful. He is like a bully at an elemental school. He doesnt even believe in his own religion he just uses it to get a bunch of tribals to worship him. He has a shitty plan of continuing a campaign against an civilised and advanced army when he already has too much territory and he knows that he is dying. He doesnt give a shit about his own population or what will happen to him. He blatantly ignored the obvious future of the Legion and is just obsessed with finally being able to tackle the twoheaded bear one on one.
To call him a realist is fucking stupid.
@@RadX_98 Caesar is fucking crazy and his Legion last about 2 years without him which is always what was gonna happen. It was nothing like the Roman Empire, it was just a cult of personality and a power-trip from an egomaniac.
Killing members of the followers of the apocalypse is the lowest form of degeneracy I wonder why you get evil karma instead of good karma when you destroy them
He’s 100% right tbh
He absolutely is! This is still the point where I part ways with House every time, though. No, I will not wipe them out because of Veronica; A genuinely kind person who cares for other people, regardless of what banner they might be marching under. I don't need to wipe them out, they will destroy themselves because they are unable and unwilling to change. It'll take a while longer than if I were to go and shoot up their bunker right then and there, sure! But that is perfectly all right, cause I'm not destroying Veronica because of House finding the thought of them just existing to be irksome.
They will cease to be. It is just a question of who will bring their end: NCR or themselves?
It's Evolution by Natural Selection, pretty much...
wtf I hate the Brotherhood of Steel now
Darryl Philbrick and i hate you
It really feels like that
@@arthurmaxson9698 Mister Maxson I would be careful. Securitrons aren't the type of robots to be truffled with.
@@v.k.rt.m.6030 *laughs in mk2 securitrons and access to even more advanced securitrons in big mt*
friendship ended with brotherhood, now mr house is my best friend
He’s not wrong about the brotherhood…but then again, there are very few truly ‘good guys’ in the Fallout universe.
It’s kind of the point. Sometimes it feels like an old Western. Others like a futuristic World War. And often like a horror movie.
Eh sure some aren’t perfect but they’re clearly better than alternatives and house is one
@@MrTHEMONEEMAKER
"Better than the alternative" and yet they are shooting civis. I'd sooner side with the supernatant than those disgusting backwards savages. Imagine simping for the Bos 😂
This is why I hate Bethesda's modification of lore. In Fallout, the Brotherhood were protecting all technology they could find for the rebuilding of society (and were trading with the Hub, a caravan went right to their door). After the NCR was formed, they freely helped them, it's the main reason Shady Sands is so technologically advanced in Fallout 2.
In Fallout 2, they were assisting the NCR with the Enclave, due to their advanced tech knowledge.
In the canceled 3, a change in leadership would have led them to start hording knowledge, leading to a war with the NCR, which they lost. It's a possible outcome that would (probably) have been explained better in game.
In Bethesda's 3 they're a tech-worshiping (new), isolationist (new), weapon-hording (incomplete take) extremist group. This seems to have been done to make Lyon's splinter group look even better (look how they rise above the rest of the Brotherhood, who we changed to make worse).
Fallout: New Vegas had to build on that, since most players had only played 3. They tried their best to correct some mistakes. They reminded players that the Brotherhood had fought the Master's army and the Enclave. Veronica's quest is about how shortsighted and self-destructive that ideology is in an advancing world.
On a personal note: anyone who completed Veronica's quest, listened to that last back and forth between her and McNamara (V: we'll die out, M: (sigh) I know), and still think the Brotherhood "deserve" to be wiped out, is heartless. At best, it should be seen as pulling life support.
Feel like in 4 they go a bit back to their roots,terminal entries explain how they trade with waste landers,protect caravans and all of that but their main mission is still lreserving pre war tech and preventing it from getting misused. They are not perfectly 1:1 but it's as good as it gets
@@sokratikas brotherhood in 4 is an unholy combination of the outcasts and enclave from Fallout 3. Their "trade" is backed by firepower and their "protection" is paid for. Bethesda just took their remade brotherhood (the outcast "purists") and added the enclave's "might makes right" and authoritarian beliefs.
@sokratikas
The brotherhood in 4 sre not morally good lmfao. They're high-school raiders at best and racist larpers at worst.
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Yes Mr. House consider the bunker a tomb sir
Wow, House and Veronica basically agree on the Brotherhood. Except for ya know, the whole wiping them out part.
Veronica already knew If they continued that way they were going to end up being wiped out, House just wants is sooner
The Brotherhood will still be killing wastelanders and traders for their technology so basically Mr. House is right in this one since they’re basically a dangerous and so unstable faction like NCR and the Legion but way worse and so corrupted.
The only difference is that House sees them as a potential threat to himself, and Veronica doesn't.
He isn't exacly wrong either, if the BoS found Euclid's C-Finder for example.
This is the guy that wrote the brotherhood for the fallout tv show.
"Mr House what is a Dodo"
Mr. House: “Exactly.”
Unfortunately true. If your introduction to Fallout was with 3, you might be given the false impression that the Brotherhood is filled with noble, well-intentioned people, but many people forget that Lyons and his chapter were renegades who split off from the Brotherhood because they wanted to do some good. The red-and-black-painted Brotherhood members you encounter (specifically if you have the Operation Anchorage DLC) are the *real* members of the Brotherhood of Steel who left when Lyons stopped the cycle of hoarding. They're hostile bastards who look down on any other wastelander that isn't one of them and they showcase the real nature of the Brotherhood.
Though I think New Vegas does a far better job of explaining their mentality, I'm not sure any of Bethesda's titles has ever properly dug into their motivations. I've played 3, New Vegas (not Bethesda developed, but that wasn't my point) and Fallout 4 (as well as 1 and 2, but that's irrelevant), and none of them really touch deep enough on the Brotherhood to make you understand why they act the way they do. Yes, nukes destroyed most of the known world, and it is a piece of technology, but it gives you no real insight into how they came to the conclusion that just hiding technology from people... you know, the thing people created in the first place and can one day create again, is supposed to save humanity from itself. They really just seem like mindless zealots with no future. I'm sure at one point they might have been useful for keeping the last remnants of humanity from killing each other, but it's not like they're out stopping raiders and super mutants from going on rampages. Only Lyons' chapter did that and they were effectively not the real Brotherhood anymore.
The Brotherhood of Steel doesn't preserve humanity, it just preserves technology... and then uses that technology on other people to maintain its power. At least the Enclave and Caesar had a vision for humanity's future, even if it sucked.
I can only imagine what House would have thought of the Institute.
"Yeah so, these dudes in Massachusetts have a fancy underground facility light years ahead of yours. The have a mercenary who’s life the extended to over 100 years without him turning into a vegetable. Oh, and they know how to make composite humans and pump them out like clockwork.”
Would love to see House and the Institute working together. If they teamed up they would probably be unstoppable
@@b_marble9974 Let’s not forget the Enclave to invite them on the team
Mr House actually attended MIT in the fallout lore, wonder what he’d think about the Institute
Insitute is pretty much the brotherhood so would likely get wiped by a team of securitrons 2.0.
@@b_marble9974 house would try to control institute or wipe them out if institute dosent accept mr houses conract house would wipe them out
Mr. House just trying to play SimCity while NCR and Legion play Civilization
TBH his description is pretty accurate, to normal wastelanders BoS probably terrorized the shit out of them, especially if any wastelanders had any good weapons
What did they do to my poor ncr....
Who? The BOS? In the games?
@@Gadget-Walkmen the fallout show
@@martinromerostrack9138 It was handled very well on how the show demonstrated on how the NCR and the BOS are engaging in a never ending conflict of war, loved that final sequence! It was brilliantly well done to display how fanatically idealistic the BOS really are as even Maximus became to not completely see them as the good guys!
@@Gadget-Walkmen except, it wasn't BoS whom destroyed ncr in the show.... At least that would have had some sense, but it wasn't even them...
@@martinromerostrack9138 What do you mean, it WAS a fraction of them at the final war battle scene in the final episode in the show and it did make sense that they tried to pick themselves up at the end as the BoS wipes them out out of imperialistic control. I don’t know what you mean at all here as BOS was the ones who attacked them in the show in the final battle there.
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As far as the New Vegas chapter of the Brotherhood is concerned, I 100% agree with Mr. House and even Caesar. When I played Fallout 3 I was absolutely behind the Brotherhood all the way because they were protecting the people and distributing clean water everywhere and acting like actual Knights would (At least for the most part). Lyon's Pride is the Brotherhood I trust, but thanks to Maxon they truly are just like the west coast chapters.
@Infinite Adriannn true, Maxson hates synths. When you side with the Institute you literally destroy Liberty Prime @ the Boston airport lol the fact that Maxson betrayed Lyons and his daughter is what makes him suspect af.
Infinite Adriannn apparently some people believe either Arthur Maxson or a sympathizer assassinated Sarah Lyons after the events of 3 so Arthur could assume the role of elder. Which I personally believe is bull. Putting aside my obvious favoritism and support of the BoS it actually doesn’t make sense from a character perspective for Arthur to have done this since he A. Had a crush on Sarah in 3 and B. It doesn’t pan out personality wise. Arthur has a code of honor he listens to his subordinates and he even is humble enough to have prevent a cult of personality to have formed in the west coast early on.
Honestly the way Bethesda did the brotherhood in fallout 4 was stupid, they had no reason to make them evil like they did, they literally would have been better off using the west coast brotherhood of steel or even the outcasts or remnants (that would at least have been less of an insult to fallout 3s story....)
@TheWitherling
That is true as well, I believe Sawyer made a comment/joke about Fallout 3’s BOS (while developing F:NV) saying “this ain’t your daddy’s brotherhood of steel!”
"Like actual Knights would"
Uh shure thin bud
After seeing the fallout show I despise the brotherhood even more now. Self righteous and delusional leadership. Some of the brotherhood however are good people willing to listen to reason and be open minded.
Based House, also the moment when he talks about "stories of noble paladins on crusade" he clearly talks about Bethesda's view of the BoS