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These SECOND HAND DRIVERS ARE THE EXACT PROOF that golf DOESN"T HAVE TO BE EXPENSIVE
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.พ. 2023
- Can golf be made cheaper!! in recent video i found out that so many golf clubs are losing members and the biggest thing to affect this was the COST and the increase across the board to do with golf and golf memberships. So i have gone out their and found drives over the last 5 years and i'm seeing if the technology in these drivers can still compete with the BRAND new drivers of today!
So in this test Alex elliott golf tedsts:
1. Cobra f9
2. Cobra SZ
3. Cobra RAD speed
4. Cobra LTDX
which will come out on top and which will be the BEST cobra driver of the last 4 years? Can second hand drivers be proof that golf doesn't have to be expensive? lets putt all these to the test and on average see what one ois longest!
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*What would do? NEW OR SECOND HAND?*
I've done both. My current driver is a radspeed that I bought "new" as a lightly used demo that was discounted when the ltdx came out. Not planning on an upgrade for a few years.
Second hand is fine with me.
Do your research and go 2nd hand preferably fully adjustable. Paying £500 ,plus is mental.
i just got a radspeed for 125
This is my thought process. I only buy a new driver about every 5-6 years. I just picked up a super clean F9 head w/ head cover for $125 shipped. Got the shaft I wanted locally, and now I have a top of the line driver for under $200.
2nd hand for drivers for me.
I've only used preowned.
The depreciation is insane for brand new drivers. I picked up an excellent condition epic max with evenflow shaft for 190 euro. Its longer than my previous driver 2018 rogue. But the off centre hits are way more forgiving. Typically I spend 50-80 euro upgrading my drivers.
It takes a bit of patience and understanding what it is your looking for.
I picked up a slightly used RadSpeed XB driver for $200 shortly after the release of the LTDs. It's not any longer than the F6+ it replaced, but it sounds 100% better.
I use a Callaway Great Big Bertha Epic, which came out in 2017, and that I bought used in 2019 (for a nice discount). I recently tried the new Titleist TSR2 and TSR3. I *loved* them; the look, sound, and feel were spectacular. However, I did the ball no further with the new Titleists than I do with a 5 year old Callaway. I saved myself $600.
Exactly the type of content I was looking for, thank you! Would love to see you do woods and hybrids as well. I initially was swayed to purchase new, now this may change my mind. Cheers! 😎
I got my Speedzone direct from Cobra in June 2020. The ball jumps off the face. I love it! Its has great ball speed off the face. It's sound is different. I also still bag my 9 deg 2004 titanium
Mizuno Tzoid for a lower drive apex( windy courses). I fell in love with a mat colored Radspeed at Academy other day and its only $199. The Speedzone may go to my son....lol
I still have the F9 in white with the matte top in my bag. I love it, it is still performing great, and I have no desire to take it out unless it breaks. Possibly if the club starts to show wear or the new tech is vastly superior I'd consider a new one. Would definitely stick with Cobra for certain.
Yeah, recently, last year...I bought a Callaway Epic Flash driver used, that looked like new for 1/3 of what it sold for new. I am old but I can still pound it! Love it! The adjustable hosel is genius. Plus you can get different shafts if you want and they will screw right on. Easy peesy change.
I got fitted for the LTDx LS end of last year. I put a Wishon S2S Red 65S shaft in it. It's a beast. Past seasons I have bought used drivers. Best driver I bought used was the M1 2017 440.
Manufactures today don't focus so much on distance, but more on forgivness (Not side dispersion, that's the players fault). The focus is more on maintaining ball speed and retain lower spin on off-center hits.
I’ve just bought a second hand rad speed and love it! (Upgraded from a fly z cobra). You had the speed zone set up as low spin with the weight forward, but the rad & F9 weight back. I noticed the sound really changes with the weight forward. Would of been good to see them all weight forward to be lower spin like the LTDX
The numbers are so consistent I guess it validates the cor limit is working. Which ever one is easier to find the fairway with is a great choice.
I picked up XR16 irons £140 spotless, driver, 3w,7w for £90 I did pull the shafts and put in pulled stif flex shafts my self for £50! 4 vokey wedges £80 60,56,52,48 degree , 2 ball putter £25, new super stroke grip £10. Local pro shop had zip busted waterproof bag £30! £425 intotal. Driver is fitted with tensi blue tipped shaft, 44inch. Set draw 9.5degree, goes 250-265 yards but dead straight. I have a SIM 2 driver same shaft and length. SIM2 is the exact same dry ball readings. Same applies to fairway woods. 4 years difference of technology/ marketing same performance.
I have just bought a Titleist TSi2 after having played a 915D2 till now. I live in Australia and bought it online from the States. Even with shipping, it was half the price of the new TSr2.
Im still using the Cobra ZL Encore I bought brand new in 2012. I went on a hiatus where I maybe put in two rounds a year for 6-8 years. This driver doesn't really have super high miles on it, but needless to say I am looking to upgrade to something much newer. I don't have the budget to buy brand new at the moment and I am certainly not opposed to buying used clubs so long as they are in great condition. Great videos. keep it up.
Bought a mint ltdx a month ago for less than 1/2 the price of a new driver. When I received it there were absolutely no blemishes at all.
I think you need to do alternate shots with each club. I know with me, my first 5 swings are not normally my best.
I purchased a used SZ and I love it. Gained some yardage and it's more forgiving than my previous model. I'll keep buying second hand for sure
I’ve got a rough driver 5 wood and hybrid. Love them. Got a cobra 3 wood. All I’ve done is change the shaft
My first Cobra driver was and Amp. Followed by the F6 and then the Speed Zone Extreme. I love Cobra drivers and now thinking of getting the LTDx.
Currently using the F9. Love it still
Still w the SZ. Tried the LTD and lost about 7 yards on average and dispersion was off. I stuck with the SZ. Best driver I have ever had.
Im rockin a Callaway RAZR X Black from 2012 and when I get a good strike the trackman says 280 total 260 carry w/ 105 clubhead speed. I am of the opinion that right now I would rather spend the money on rounds and driving/ lessons practice before I buy a nice new driver.
These tests are all well and good. However the shaft is as important as the head. Most drivers come with regular or stiff as standard and those are often not the best combo for your game. I recently tried the the latest top males and it wasn’t until I swapped the shaft to a counter balanced shaft that I hit is straight and long
I’m still gaming an old Cobra ZL driver from around 2010 with a stiff mid kick voodoo shaft. I swear sometimes I think the club is illegal. It goes 20-30 yards further than anything else I can find. For me it’s literally all about confidence. Over the ball I just feel like I’m going to rip it every time. It’s nearly perfect. I’ve found if I use some of the old hard as a rock two piece low spin distance balls they roll down the fairway forever. If I catch one dead center of the face I’m longer than I’ve been in my life. I’ve been playing since 1972 and I’m 63.
Ive been buying one or two generations old for a few years now. My requirement is that the head looks new. I have two shafts that work great for me (Hzrdus Black RDX and GraphDesign Tour AD Di). So i can buy the used driver with any shaft/grip at the best prices i can find, then install my preferred shaft. Sell my older driver head with the unwanted shaft. Cost of uprade is less than $100.
It works great, and saves a ton.
Picked up a radspeed which had done three rounds as good as new for £180 and playing it well
I always buy used, a model or two old from latest. The problem is you need to make sure it is in good condition (Club head, shaft, grip, and accessories) with no issues. Makes it harder to get exactly what you are looking for. I am a mid hcp player. But like you said it is a lot more affordable
Got a radspeed XB last year new, $280. Great driver, plan on using it for a few more years at least. If you want to go new, just go one maybe two models back and they are usually half the price of the latest model.
Yes, I would and have gone 2nd hand, however shaft plays a very important role in my decisions. It would have been interesting if you used the shaft that was premium in each of the years that each driver head was released. Thanks for entertaining us.
I just noticed that on eBay the F9 and the LTDx used are going for about the same price. That's interesting when you consider that the F9 is about 4 years older
i'd be interested to see the dispersion patters.. the big claim is always "longer, faster & more forgiving" -- doesn't seem like the distance is all that different, but wondering how much more forgiving the drivers get year by year
I use a RAD XB with a shorter shaft 44 3/4” and I am keeping it!
I'm still gaming a reg Cobra LD 10.5 driver from 2008, had a Stealth but sold it no gains!
I’m playing the matte crown SZxtreme. Looks great much better than the shiny crown version. Bought new on sale for $299. I would say the Sz Xtr and radspeed are some of the absolute best used bargains you can get right now. The prices have not held up and they are super good. Easily $150 on those
I have just picked up a RAD Speed driver, new old stock, which is one that they still had in stock, new but older. I think incredible deals are to be had if you by a year or two back that are new. I am hanging up a Callaway XR16 that has served me well, still has life in it, I just think that 8 years of advancements I should see an improvement in my driving. Alex when you switch drivers what do you do to figure them out as they all have changes...maybe a subject for a video.
I was playing with a Cobra Rad but decided to go back to my Cobra F8. I’m hitting it straighter and further than the Rad.
Great video. I'm currently gaming the Speedzone. I was maybe thinking about upgrading to the LTDx, but now, I think I'll just keep on keeping on with the SZ. Thanks for doing this!
I have a Cobra Fly Z in reserve and a Tour Edge C721 in my bag! Cobra is a fantastic product!
Don't want to buy used but I would and have bought a new last gen. I will say, from what I've seen over the years with Cobra drivers is something you spoke to a little. It's not the distance or ball speed that's getting better. There are limits placed on that. It's the stability of the driver or forgiveness/accuracy that is what's improved. Especially the jump from SZ to RAD speed.
I just bought a tsi2 for $200 and it is perfect. I'm happy as a lark. At that price and condition I wouldn't have been happier to be hitting a tsr.
I tried the SZ then the Radspeed and finally the LTD.For me the Radspeed is best suited fro my drive.
Great comparison video...
I bought an F9 secodhand when it was a couple of months old, it's still in the bag, it's like an old friend...
Thank you Adrian!!!
A great vlog. So much common sense to what you are saying. Unless you are a low handicapped player, you are probably better off purchasing an older club. Do you think that's the same for irons as well??
Year over year there is not much difference in performance so I was building my bag I waited until the next years model comes out then buy the previous model directly from the manufacturer. For example, when the F9 driver was $500 brand new. I waited until the speed zone came out and the price of a brand new F9 dropped to $200 and because I bought it from Cobra they threw in a Puma Bluetooth speaker.
In the states used clubs that are only a 2 or 3 years old are still relatively expensive at shops or online.
Extremely interesting - but with ball speed maximized in recent years I think club manufacturers have focused on consistency and forgiveness. Can actually pick up some good deals on 2 to 3 year old new drivers if you check shops and eBay.
I totally agree which is why i feel better in my new one
Excellent video.
We see watch videos of new clubs showing all the new technology of surfaces, aerodynamics weights etc but it looks as is improvements are marginal at best.
I've not bought a new club. I've built my bag with eBay binging. Did well and got some mizuno 919forged irons for £230 and built lofts around them. I'm still a novice, but wanted some clubs to improve into and not massive game improvement irons that I'd probably want to change in 12 months
Last October I purchased a gently used Cobra f9 145.$ on ebay love it ! The Arrow Jet is tempting. But I'm cheep so I'll wait till the price drops on ebay.
One of the best of these comparison videos and a real eye opener. Given that in 2 years time someone will be charging almost £700 for a driver then 2nd hand, 2 or 3 year old Drivers is definitely the way to go.
I still play the Speed Zone Extreme. Love it.
I have a TM Tour Burner from 08 goes as far as my TM Stealth possibly not as forgiving but still a monster driver, great vid 😊
Used a Fly Z for 7 years and last year when ltd came out I got a rad speed in 9 degree x flex for like 300 on eBay
Bought my Speed Zone Extreme just before Rad speed hit the market. Very consistent and a definite fairway finder. Cannot see any reason to upgrade.
My F9 is not ready to be swapped just yet, she has served me well, I respect her just as much as she respects me, it was new irons this year, (I210's). People do get caught up in the advertising shenanigans,
Swapped from an M2 to a 2nd hand speedzone which was mint and what a difference longer and straighter
I have F9 for 3 yr. Upgraded to Rad xb and very similar. Same distances but slightly more forgiving and looks better at address. Not really worth the extra $400 but i can sell the F9 for $250 - Rad cost me $150...
Loved my F9 till the crown broke and then went to Rad and still use it but tbh want my white F9 back !
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You didn't have to do Josh like that. 😂😂😂😂
I had a speedzone but it wasn't better than my Callaway XR that I still use
😂love that comparison so pleased that the older model still holds its own personally I wouldn’t pay for brand new as the tolerances are still the same as years ago ie face thickness size of head and such like I think golfers are better off maybe changing the shaft to suit their swing speed and tempo after all the shaft is the engine that drives the ball the lump of metal or carbon at the end is basically the same from 20 years ago apart from a bit of tinkering with weight positioning I’ve had the same titleist head from years ago but changed the shaft as I get older and slower I’m still there or there abouts with my regular 4 ball who seem to buy new every 18 months
Wanted an F9 a few years ago second hand but couldn't get one for love nor money
I have the speedzone and absolutely love it
Nice!!
I outdrive most everyone I play with or get paired up with with my nike sq. It's a fairway finder too. 50 dollars with the wrapper still on it.
I have the OG Rogue and have since experimented with M6, Mavrik and LTDx. Have since gone back to the Rogue as I prefer the look, feel, sound and ball flight. Shaft will come into it but I think it goes down to feel for the individual, and the latest and greatest might not be the one for you.
Stock shafts on these must b ok
i just bought a brand new LTDx Max driver for under $200. So they don't even need to be second hand to be affordable, just don't buy them the same year they come out. Wait a few years and the price drops significantly.
THat tee is wut I need! I hate losing tees when I pratice.
I now buy a new driver of last year's model. This year I plan to buy a "new" LTDX.
Great test,underlines how much bs Manufacturers pump out to sell slightly,if any,improved product. Golfers have to be the most gullible sportsmen in the world. Having said that I have just bought the new 430 but only because I needed a stiff shaft and struggled to find one for my Ping G.I would say having the correct shaft has made a big difference to the stability of my swing.
Had the F8 which I loved for £200 , just bought the Rad XB as a high handi capper for £200 brand new so I think you only need top jolly new for 5yrds 😂
I only wish that I was skilled enough that new equipment would make a difference 😅! Always buy “pre owned” and use the savings to play a few rounds. Nice video as always Alex!
I brought a used rad speed driver for 170 notes it was OK for a few months then while at the range it started to sound weird when striking the ball I inspected it and it was cracked near the heal I hadn't hit nothing other than golf balls no trees or nothing I can only surmise it maybe had a micro crack when I purchased it so used does come with risk BIG STYLE
This is a GREAT point!!!
I hit my Gen 4 PXG better than any of the new drivers. Nothing wrong with older drivers you just got to find what works for you.
For the last 2-4 years, we have seen very good enough clubs… I still have my Sim2… and I am close to upgrade my shaft instead of changing my club! Just not find a good place to test all those new shafts to make a good decision… any thoughts?
I want my F9 back. That driver went well over 300 yards.
Just before a new range comes out new stock of the old model can be had for the same or better prices than used models. Best to be fitted but if not right can still be moved on for close to the purchase price. The used market is still inflated for some models though.
I would sacrifice a couple of yards of distance for consistent dispersion.
I'm still gaming an off the rack Fly-Z from 2015, so will definitely consider upgrading to the Rad or LTD-LS but would get a fitting this time as i've heard that the shaft plays a massive part.
Went from fly z to rad last year lol
You can’t get fit for a model out of production unless you’re paying for aftermarket shaft
@@TripsView notice any difference?
@@block19row13 well i went from standard fly z in S at 9.5 to a x stiff 9 degree head with weight forward in the rad. And it’s a low spinning missile. It looks better and feels better. I use to throw bombs with the fly z but as swing changed I started over spinning it and I’d just say the rad feels better and is a much more penetrating flight. Plus I really like the head shape
My FlyZ just feels better than the LTD I bought to replace it
My question is if you were gaming the F9 and the LTDX went 4 yards further would you swap because it’s new?
Still gaming my black and white speed zone
I love my f9... tried so many but nothing beats my f9
Just purchased an F9 new for less than 1/2 the price of LTDX. Can’t fault it. My focus is always on the best shaft for my swing. Get that right, and the head makes little difference. Go F9!!!
As an EDGA player and being supported by Cobra #disabilityinsport I changed drivers in October to the ltdx ls and love it, only changed due to the support very little performance difference from my previous TSI2 Driver
Do you not think that the shaft which remained the same is the biggest plus point?
my son (11) is using the SZ 12deg std, I just exploded my RAD speed xd. Looking for another one, i cant fault a driver that explodes after smashing 280m + drives for years...
I'm less likely to buy a set of used golf clubs than I would a used car. I have no idea why. I feel like there's bad mojo attached to the clubs or something. Witchcraft, possibly even cursed.
The way to make the F9 go further?
Warm up with 15 drives with the other models.
You got progressively better with each club.
Been using a TM M2 driver for some time, don’t feel any loss of distance.
Funny enough, I actually went from the F9 to the standard LTDx for the added forgiveness and consistency.
Using an R5 which is 20years old? Still hit it 230-250 at 38hcp
I used the F9, which was excellent. Until last year when I upgraded to the LTDx. Love it!
I'm not sure this is a completely fair test. Shouldn't you be using the shafts issued with each of these drivers too?
The shaft is the engine of the club so it only makes sense to use your shaft in every head tested. That's how you get true results.
@Robert Johnson true, but someone was buying one of these clubs 2nd hand, it's highly likely the club would have the shaft it was originally sold with.
@@gemeni69 The shaft is the transmission that transmit the energy from the engine (you) to the head.
@@fat-shotgolf2937 all this is true but if your testing heads for yourself to see how they stand in order you would use the same shaft not jump in between different shafts
@@gemeni69 if one could, it would be excellent. I've found the shaft in my LTDx is much better for me than the shaft in my F9
Still using a taylormade jet speed from 2010 , suits me fine
I just got a Demo LTDx for $220... and I got to use a gift card I had gotten so it only cost me actually $70 of my actual money. The giftcard kind of ran me into getting last years than any other previous but I changed from a Nike Covert from back in the day.
The difference is the newer fitted shaft.
As long as COR limits remain the same, all they can do is improve feel and dispersion.
I’m still using the M2 2016 and haven’t really found anything that improves very much on it for that combination of accuracy, distance and forgiveness. Suspect eventually the face will fail and not looking forward to that day!
Last time I bought a new club was 2007. My mizuno mp60s. Which I still play today. Meanwhile my hcp has dropped from 18 in 2007 to 4 now. New clubs are just a marketing ploy. Lessons and playing are what make your game improve. But that’s my opinion and marketing wins for most mug golfers.
Alex, you hit your driver so well. If I could get 1 drive 300 yards down the fairway ........ 😁
Helps if your swing is that good . Great video
Thanks 👍