The Problem with TRIGGER WARNINGS
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Disclaimer: I am not a medical professional, psychologist or eating disorder specialist. These videos were created purely to share advice from my own experience and to encourage eating disorder sufferers to discuss their struggle openly.
If you warn people that there is something triggering and they watch it anyway, then they triggered themselves. I can't believe people email you to blame you for it.
Absolutely. A huge part of my recovery is taking responsibility in removing myself from the situation when I'm being triggered. Unless I'm having a personal interaction with someone who continues to disrespect my boundaries around a trigger, it's no one's fault. Saying it's on the person who's triggered isn't about fault it's about taking responsibility for our own lives.
It's gotten to the point where I'm embarrassed to use the term "triggered" because it has been so misconstrued and taken out of context and turned into a joke. It's like people who are ignorant about mental health or are just assholes made fun of us so much and turned it into a meme and a pop culture joke, and in turn a lot of people who are suffering doubled down and became extra defensive about it, and both have increased the stigma, and our communities suffer, and as you said, it hinders the process of educating people. And a lot of younger people who struggle with mental illness are getting this warped view of what triggers are and what it means to be triggered, and it's detrimental to their well-being. It's all become such a mess since five years ago when I learned the term in psych class. Even some of my well-intentioned friends who know intimate details of my struggle use the term triggered as a joke to mean annoyed or upset. I hate it.
thekatespajamas couldn't have said it better
Thank you for this! I have seen so many complaints on the internet about people feeling triggered by to the bone, despite the fact that there is a warning at the start of the movie and the theme of the movie is clear at this point. At some point people need to take responsibility.
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Your last name 0.0 look up dan Howell on TH-cam
I see trigger warnings as just the same thing as content warnings, it allows people to consent to what they are exposed to, not in all cases of life but at least in our media. Art should always be made, and the conversations should always be had, no matter the content, but not everyone is required to be part of it
When I was at my worst, just the word 'trigger' would trigger me. And it couldn't be helped. I didn't have to watch or read something to get triggered because just seeing 'trigger warning' would trigger me, and that was because my mind was always sensitive and thinking about those things anyway and seeing that just reminded me of what triggered me. So I would just scroll down my feed and I would see a title that says 'trigger warning: blahblahblah' and boom. Wouldn't have to watch it. It was done. And I knew that no one was at fault because I knew it was my exhausted mind not being able to fight off triggering thoughts.
...I hope that makes any sense. I never sought out triggers though because literally anything could trigger me and it terrified me that I had no power over that.
I feel you are so right! If we stop doing this because of triggering then we shouldn't talk about war and things of that nature. There are millions of things out there that trigger someone, we have to be able to talk through it. We need to know ourselves enough to know how it will effect us. It's needed so we can get the right help. Thank you for this Mia.
not to mention a lot of sufferers who seek triggering material can do that just by simply looking it up on the internet regardless of if there's movies made about it. i mean hell, watching a movie that has nothing to do with eating disorders but that has a thin person in it could be triggering for people so?? why stop the conversation
I agree with you Mia. We definitely CANNOT stop talking about it just so people don't get triggered. I see the changes myself, after watching To the Bone with my boyfriend it made him realize symptoms in other people a lot more and he understood where EDs come from much more! Also, there is another movie about anorexia that just came out it's called "Feed". I haven't watched it yet but maybe you want to give it a try??
All of Me? Least triggering trailer to something I've ever seen. :)
Back in the day before the phrase "trigger warnings" became de rigueur, it was "viewer discretion is advised" and all was well with the world. Now, with social media being so prolific, there is no way to tread carefully effectively. As hard as it is because we care so much for others, we gotta do what we can and then move on.
I think to the bone covered this in such a good way. I don't remember how it came up but at one point the doctor said something along the lines of "if you're triggered you have to stop blaming yourself. That's your disorders fault and instead of faulting people you should seek help" I never thought of that way and it really opened my eyes.
To The Bone did the complete opposite of triggering me. I watched while in the thick of my ed and it made me want to recover. I found it so moving and heart wrenching (especially the parts where they're in family counseling and when her mom fed her) that it made me wish for recovery so I didn't put my family through that. Unfortunately, my attempt at recovery only lasted a few months and I am once again caught back up in my ed, but To The Bone was definitely eye opening for me and showed me how horrible this mental illness can be. I was in denial before I watched the movie and it definitely brought me into reality.
When I was at my sickest, diet. Commercials triggered me. So did fashion magazines. So did going to the grocery store. I used to self-trigger by looking up documentaries on ED's to actually watch people be sick. It's impossible to expect internet creators and people in media to be 100% aware of every possible trigger. There are tons of illnesses. Beyond that, what triggers me may not affect the next person. Personal responsibility has to come into play.
I totally agree! These were exactly my thoughts when everyone was talking about 13 Reasons Why as well. All the same points were being made in that discussion, blaming the show for triggering people and saying it shouldn't have been so graphic etc. Although there were other types of criticism for it I could get behind or at least understand, those complaints never made any sense to me. The show had trigger warnings that specified exactly what type of triggering content was included in each episode, what more could the creators have possibly done? At that point, it's the viewer's responsibility to decide whether or not it's a good idea for them to continue watching, and even if they think they're good to watch and that turns out to not be the case, it still isn't the creator's fault. You can agree or disagree about whether or not that type of graphic content is actually beneficial by creating awareness, but to say that it shouldn't exist at all because it triggers some people is unfair and frankly ridiculous. Every individual can be triggered by different things so it's virtually impossible to create content that wouldn't trigger anyone.
Trigger warnings have a point when the content is not clear from the title or from context. Obviously, if someone watches your videos, they should expect that you discuss eating disorders, and if someone reads a book entitled Cut, they should expect that self injury will be discussed. I think trigger warnings are pointless in cases like those. If, however, a blog entry entitled something like "I have something to tell you" discusses a suicide attempt in graphic details, then I think a trigger warning would be appropriate because it allows people to take responsibility for their mental health and allows them to say "Maybe I shouldn't read this today".
I do not always like trigger warnings because that in some cases, and I have found this out the hard way, they do not end up creating safe spaces. Here is an example: I was going to present/have presented information that was triggering, and special people to me have unfortunately turned around and told me that because it was triggering, they could not stay. This has unfortunately happened a few times. They left me when I truly needed their support and understanding as I had made myself vulnerable in a way I knew they could especially understand.
trigger warning are good when they are made before a programme that shows flashing images for people who suffer from epilepsy I guess
I wanted to thank you for your channel, and everything you post here. I never suffered myself from an eating disorder, but I lost my older sister to anorexia 2 years ago. What you're doing here, it's helping. And it's also helping me, to understand things I wish I understood earlier. Next year, I'm starting my last year of highschool (i'm french, so if my english isn't so good, that's why), and after that I'm planning to enter med school to become either a licensed dietitian or psychiatrist (still not decided), specialised in eating disorders, because it's obvious there's not enough professionals out there helping people suffering/in recovery from eating disorders, or their families. Once again, watching your videos helped me taking this decision. So thank you, from me and all the people you're helping.
+Inès Béziat I am so so sorry to hear about your sister Ines, stories like yours break my heart. But I am so incredibly proud of you for setting such a beautiful, important goal for yourself. I hope I'm not speaking out of turn when I say, I'm quite sure your sister would be proud of you too. Sending you a lot of love, M xo
Oh God, I´m so very sorry to hear about your sister. May she rest in peace
You're a VERY good person Ines. I'm so sorry about your sister. I wish there were more people who respectfully and lovingly sort understanding. The world need more Ines's! Bon chance mon ami (my French is terrible). xxxxx
Well said as always. Being at the 'looking for trouble' stage is awful in hindsight. Glad I'm not there! I think the only trigger for me is when Lola makes a brief appearance and then vanishes. Need more cat! :) Thank you so much for another excellent pre-work rant. I wish the weather down here was like Sydney! My joints have been frozen for months! Amazing job on the run! :)
I always want to "like" your vids like a 1000 times. You have such a beautiful soul and you´re a great influence on people. LOVE YOU Mia!
I definatelly agree with this. It's not the creators fault if they have said that there will be triggering content and someone gets triggered by that, because they saw the warning. I have done that that I have seeked out for triggers when I was in a really bad place, but that's my problem. I made a concious choice to look out for them and watch them, and I could have not if I wanted to. But at that point it was so bad that the triggers didnt do that much. But I could not blame anyone for making that content since it was my own choice to look them no matter the trigger warnings. And these things are so important and they need to talked about
I agree SO MUCH we HAVE to talk about it! It's way too important not to talk about and educate people... Thank you for saying all this, Mia
If it wasnt for people like you talking about eating disorders and recovery I would have never decided to recover probably because I would have thought it was normal and would have lived like that to a point where it would have been way to hard to go back. To be honest it was your channel that I first saw and I watched your videos and I didn't want to recover at the time but your videos really helped me through and I came back to them when I finally made the decision to recover.
And I believe trigger warnings are good because now when I see one of those I stay away because I do not want to be triggered back into my ED. If some people seek out trigger warning material then its their choice and they would have found it either way. I completely agree with everything in your video! Thank you for having the courage to come out and talk about your experience so other people like me could get out before it was too late
I absolutely love your channel and it's content, no matter how bad I feel at times your frankness and honesty always help me feel grounded. It's a huge help and I appreciate all you do to provide awareness and to educate others in a none condescending way x
I personally believe that most of the time when someone is triggered it's because they purposely sought out triggering material. I'm guilty of doing this in the past and it's no ones fault but my own.
I can relate to this so much.
So amazing you were on the hookup! I actually brought that idea to their attention and its wonderful they did that!
Thank you !! We don't stop talking this is so important !!!!!!!! I'm right there with you !!💪👍😊💪👊
i personally think it's the sufferer's responsibility. if you're going to watch a video about eating disorders then you need to accept that it could be triggering. everyone has different thresholds so what might trigger one person might not trigger the next. never do I ever blame someone else for unintentionally triggering me because 9 times out of 10 I *choose* to watch/look/listen to something, therefore it is my responsibility. people need to stop blaming everyone around them. If you're suicidal and you see a bridge, would you blame the council who made the bridge for triggering you? think about it
Oh miss Mia!!!! Go you!!! I'm here cheering with Pom poms!!! Say it, girl!!! You're spot on, in my opinion!! With you all the way!!
I so agree, Mia. I'm sorry, but let's be real here. I'm not one who struggles with these particular issues, but the issue is that everyone is triggered by different things. Triggers are individual. You can't cover every base. To make a To The Bone analogy, the girl who killed herself had an illness that made her use Eli's drawing as inspiration and was suicidal. That wasn't Eli's fault or hers. It was the fault of the girl's illness. That's the same as people blaming Marya Hornbacher for people being triggered by Wasted, I mean, come on. Why stop talking because people might be upset? That would be so incredibly dangerous for people who struggle because all it would do is make them feel more isolated and ashamed. All that would do is make it worse. I love how articulate you are.
This is off topic but sometimes I catch myself talking with your accent.. it's quite funny
Me too but then again, it's basically the same. :) One state away. I do have a few Miaisms in my repertoire now which is amusing but I've always tended to imitate and take from all accents and vocabularies shamelessly. My therapist does the same thing so we three must be very auditory people. :)
Am I the only one that consciously sought up triggering material when I was ill? (As well as you could back in the early 2000s.) I loved diving deep, deep into severe, severe anorexia because that's where I wanted to head. My "idols" that I wanted to BEAT! I still look up anorexia cases every now and then (as recovered) and get a tiny "yes!"-feeling when my weight was lower than their etc. I guess it's a trigger that lasts for life, but I go directly back to my life and eat my lunch and cookies without thinking about it now.
I can't believe you were on the hook up! Absolutely adore that radio show
I have a bit of a controversial opinion on trigger warnings, and maybe even what I'm about to say deserves a trigger warning! Lol. Anyway, I believe every individual is 100% responsible for what triggers them. It takes a long ass time to practice, but it is possible to CHOOSE - yes choose - what you allow yourself to be triggered by. Obviously, someone deep in the throes of an eating disorder or suicidal thinking or just plain depression may not be ready to make that choice, so we should all try to be extra sensitive around them....to an extent. I hate to say it, but the more you're triggered, the stronger you will eventually become. It might get way worse before it gets better, but the reality of the matter is, triggers are everywhere, and we all make our own, subconsciously. The way, I feel, an eating disordered mind works, is we look for excuses to keep that ugly voice in tact. Because sometimes, the possibility of "letting go" seems way scarrier than dying a slow, painful, emotionally exhausting death in a hospital bed. We're not crazy. Our eating disorders are. The first step is being aware that it wants to harm you, and it's not your dearest, best friend. I am not recovered by any means, but I've been thinking more positively about the prospect of recovering even if it means temporarily gaining weight and letting the fuck go.
.....and to continue on that topic, I feel like if you practice a bit of self control by avoiding things that trigger you, it's great practice for developing self control (real, actual, healthy self control) when it comes to food. And let's face it, us eating disordered people really could use some. At least psychologically.
Honestly, the thing I'm aggravated about is the fact some people tend to fake or abuse the word trigger and make others believe so. And the thing is, it's super hard to know whether or not the person is lying or not because you don't wanna offend them. Like say there's a person who's got a trigger to pink hair. Would you believe them? Although it sounds odd you can't help but to second guess yourself. And some people online (Multiplayer games with other avatars.) They'll say they have a Touch Trigger and that another person's avatar shouldn't touch the other one. Then your left to think its somewhat strange because this is online, not in real life. No one is touching you. But then again, they make it into something bug and go on full blown arguments.
It's very hard to understand really and I hope maybe I can understand better. Idk XD
It's GOOD to be triggered. It helps you realize your boundaries, the areas you still need help with, and it keeps you thinking. Yes, being triggered feels negative in the moment but when we identify our triggers and respond to them *positively*...that's part of recovery. You are going to be triggered BILLIONS of times in your life, being able to recognize and develop coping tools by exposing yourself to triggers is good. It's like people with phobias...exposure therapy.
That is such a great point. I never thought of it that way.
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I see the word "triggered" as more of a definition of "this causes me to feel uneasy" rather than "it's other people's responsibility to keep me safe and healthy" (which is what I assume/perceive the phrase usually describes these days). For example, there are lots of babies - but mother's don't expect every public place to be childproofed; they take the necessary precautions to keep their babies safe. Could you imagine if parents let a baby roam freely around a restaurant and claimed to be "triggered" that the restaurant did not have a baby-gate? People need to take responsibility for themselves and seek help when they are ready to get it instead of blaming others as an excuse to stay sick.
Completely get what you mean. Anxiety is your brain's way of saying "I'm not too sure about this." It then goes to you to say, "Okay, so let's figure out why." Triggers can, in a way, aid in your healing if you accept them and attempt to work through them. However, like you said, the work that goes into that is yours and yours alone.
I totally see your point. That makes sense. It all goes back to where the individual is in their journey.
weepingwillows21 yeah, it depends... When someone tells me to be polite, or some suicide related thing comes up, my wrists burn and I feel incredibly faint... But at the same time, exposure therapy is one of the best forms of treatment...
Another wonderful video and topic! Thanks so much Mia! I appreciate your continued awareness.
Just have to tangent for a second and say that I love that desk (and chair?) behind you. Okay, back to the program...
I’m paranoid about trigger warnings because it sounds so 1984ish
Wow you always talk through issues so well! I love your videos :)
You are absolutely right!
Big thumps up for this video!! I've found your channel recently and your video's have really helped me to remind myself to keep fighting for recovery whenever my ed thoughts are getting overwhelming. So thank you!
I have a question for all of you who have seen To The Bone... I tried to watch it but i was too triggered in the first 10 minutes and couldn't carry on; do you thinks it's a good idea to wait a bit and still watch it? Are the plot and the portayed ED situations worth it? (i DON'T want to trigger me on purpose!!)
I get your point. If you feel uneasy but still want to watch, maybe watch with someone you trust. I thought it was super well done, but it's all dependent on how you feel.
I don't think you're under any obligation to risk triggering yourself. It's okay if you can't watch it.
Yeah, totally agree with you there too. It all comes down to where you are in your struggle. Just be safe,.
THANK YOU!
Do you have tips on how to stop the urges? If you were someone who purposefully looked at triggering things, how did you stop? That is a MAJOR issue I still have. The minute I get stressed, I instantly do it and it sends me on a terrible loop.
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Sometimes, I do it so much, those images stick with me and they scare me and I can't properly function in normal day to day life. Their faces are like imprinted in my mind and it's like their image gives a face to my own disorder. Like it embodies my disorder. I imagine them behind doors and lurking behind things and I know it sounds totally crazy but it's like I'm scared it'll snatch me up and I'll be as sick as them. Like if they grab me, my ED will finally win...... It's seriously like the fear you get when you watch a scary movie. I know this sounds totally wack but does anyone else do that?
I feel like in a way, it's my disordered mind fighting my "healthy" mind. Like my brain is trying to scare me into remembering what I could be if I don't take the path of recovery.
Idk, just wondered if this was something other sufferers experience as well.
It's less than 22° in the uk in summer at the moment!
Noooooooooooo! That's unbearable! I can't wait for a nice 30 degrees. Only thing keeping me going that thought! :)
Bins Q haha well it's good for me, I don't like anything above about 22!
That's excellent then! I can't deal with anything under 24ish. My joints freeze! :)
Bins Q Are you meaning in °C not °F?
Oh Celsius like you. :) Sounds like a Harry Potter spell and/or house name. I'm in Melbourne.
good video with good discussion. i just wanted to say i think your title is a bit misleading. you are discussing how the REMOVAL of the warnings would be a bad thing, not the warnings themselves. i was misled and think others could be too. still a good video :)
WHAAAT? Anorexic commit more suicide procentually than depressed and bipolar patients combined?? Where did you get that statistic?? I've always read and heard doctors lecture and publicly speak about how depression is the most suicide-prone, followed by schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. If you're bipolar there is 50% risk you've tried to commit suicide and 10-15 % risk of dying in suicide - I've NEVER heard such figures about anorexia. Maybe it's different in different parts of the world, but in Sweden I've never heard (or read on internet either) anything like it.
Linn Samir I'm not all that well informed, but I would assume that she means anorexia results in the most deaths... not suicide in the standard sense, but people just straight up starving themselves over a period of time... >~< if you're interested, there's a book called 'wasted', I vaugely remember this being mentioned... Probably wrong though, I read it when I was 12...
Yes, that is correct world-wide, that anorexia is the mental disorder with highest mortality rate. That she said suicide rate instead made my anger tick though, because it's just NOT TRUE.
A while ago in Sweden we got a new law to be allowed to admit anorexics to hospital against their will as soon as they go beneath BMI 14. It means that when you are so underweight you can't think or change or make important decisions about your life - the psychiatry takes over and feeds your body. (Tube feeding if necessary) It means a lot fewer people go down to these BMI 11-10 and die like flies, because they are caught up before their body is giving up on them.
Since this law was decided there was a DRAMATIC decrease is deaths from anorexia. I think it is completely uneathical to let very, very underweight anorexics be left alone and stay at home in their strive towards 0 kg= sure death. Get them in hospital! Feed their brains! When they can think again - give them therapy and motivate them and help them to continue to gain weight and recover. But telling people at Euginia Cooney's weight to change their way is just ridiculous. That is when you die. When people don't intervene against your will.
If all countries had this law a lot less anorexics would die (it can be applied to severe bulimics with acute life-threatning eating disorder behaviour too), and it would no longer be the most deadly disorder. It would be schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, which is logical thinking about their severity, chronic state and likelihood of becoming much worse when not medicated (properly).
sorry can someone clear up for me what triggered really means? evoking an emotional or irrational response? a sensitive subject that might offend?
BittersweetMayhem if youve ever heard anything about a triggered feminist... Throw that out the window... Heard of PTSD? Post traumatic stress disorder? It's a symptom of that, in affect... Something traumatising has happened, and a word, or phrase, or scene brings it to mind and you find yourself terrified and struggling to breathe, or having invasive, terrible thoughts. For example, I have two... Self harm references and being told to be polite. The first one is more common, but the latter affects me more. It feels like my skin is burning, and I feel dizzy and frightened... It's terrifying.
3 D oh wow i never related it to ptsd before. But that makes sense. Something that reminds you or takes you back to a very upsetting time. Is it something that after therapy and time you could overcome the memory triggers or no?
Oh...i thought she is talking about PUBG Triggers
why would you stop something that raises awareness? one goes hand in hand with the other surely? if you find it triggering don't watch it...simple as. if you find it triggering then you properly want to watch it? #justsaying
Natalie Lowrie I think it's because you don't realise it's going to be brought up. You're watching something and suddenly you're choking and feeling faint because you didn't expect this, didn't realise that you would have to dwell on it... mature content is one thing, but that doesn't translate to, say, a rape scene....
My god I just hate trigger warnings, I lost a few friends cause of them haha
I'm sorry if anyone feels attacked by my point of view, but if there is A TRIGGERWARNING and the intention and themes are clear it is not the films fault if you relapse. Can we please stop to accuse media, stars etc. for causing OUR disordered behaviour? They did not hurt you, nor was it their intent, nor do they even know what you go through. Stop silencing the conversation about eating disorders because you chose to ignore the warning and couldn't take it. It's almost comical at this point.
PS: Sorry, I meant no one in particular or want to attack anyone. I'm just extremly loaded over the topic.
I'm so early omg
i'm so sorry this isn't even relevant but what are you wearing on your lips?
Super light application of Bourjois Rouge Edition Velvet.
In New Zealand Anorexia doesn't kill the most people Depression does 😒
I'm afraid mortality rate is far worse for anorexia. In New Zealand, the mortality rate for anorexia is 1.4 times greater than depression and suicide rate is 20 times greater.