I've owned and loved a R1100RS, a K1200RS, and am now on my 2nd R1250RS. Outstanding bikes; glad to see BMW finally giving more out to reviewers to get the word out. Best damn BMW nobody has heard of.
@@motomogul They're hard to find new on a sales floor anywhere in max trim. I looked for months, then decided to order one. Dealer lied about delivery date, I quit waiting and found a barely used one in Florida. Bought it over the phone and had it shipped to me. Totalled it 3 weeks later and immediately found another one in similar condition in Arizona. This time I flew out there and rode it back to Milwaukee. Two weeks later I was at the dealer picking up some bits and bobs, and the bike I had ordered in February had finally arrived -- in September. It sold the very next day, over the phone from a guy from Indiana who saw it online. Those who are into this kind of bike I think know how really well BMW have done with this bike. Over 90 years of perfecting an engine design on a platform that created a whole new market segment that's been in production for 47 years. Could use a better-designed front end that produces less wind buffeting. Worst of all the RSes I've owned; I don't know anyone who keeps the stock windshield because of it. But otherwise? ... [chef's kiss]
"If you are not going to offroad your GS, buy this", and I did...via an RNineT and F750GS prior to that. I went to the dealership to buy some oil and I saw the RS last August, swung a leg over and....the rest is history! It is a beautiful bike, I've had several people comment on its looks when I fill up with gas (petrol). The only thing not available last year was the ECO mode and seat heating, I have all the other nice tech bits you mention. I did add bar risers and a larger screen for touring because I'm 168 cm tall and the stock screen made my tinnitus roar, but all summer the short screen is back on its lowest screw attachments - gives a delightful naked bike feel (with ear plugs). A thrilling machine and I loved your review and positive feedback on the unassuming, often overlooked bike of the BMW lineup.
Thank you Diana. Give me a couple of years to get some money’s worth out of my GS and I’m pretty sure I’ll be throwing my leg over one of these beauties this side of the pond. I’m not fussed about the muesli mode though, where’s the fun in that? 🤔😂🏍️
Hi Diana, I,m seriously thinking about this as my next bike. Which bar risers did you use, and did you have to lengthen the clutch cable? Which aftermarket screen did you go for? Regards, Andrew.
I bought the RS because of 1) looks 2) low down COG 3) Not doing off-road on a 250kg bike 3) handling 4) I can get my feet down. I love it. I've swapped the bars for Wunderlich, put an MRA Vario screen on, and bare-end mirrors. It's the best bike I've ever had.
I was very happy to find one second hand last year with 4000 mi on it. I love it. I did just order some helibars for it, but the reach is not bad without them either. If I didn’t have shoulder surgery, I might not have changed it. I’ve put 5000 of my own miles on mine, and upgraded the tires to road 6gt’s. Super great bike, probably my last one.
While a snowstorm has been howling outside my window, I have really enjoyed your easy commentary that didn't try to bury me with details. I also liked reading your TFT as you moved along. After 3 RSs beginning in 1988 (2 Ks and 1 R and 100k+ miles), I've been off-roading for the last 7 years (48k miles with a DL650XT. I was good enough, I suppose, but I freely admit preferring a sport touring experience. So last Oct, I picked up a '21 1250RS. Now I truly feel at home and am super impressed with all it has to offer this 78-year-old.! Kinda like having a FWB with "the milf of sport-tourers!" Thanks again.
Deserving praise for the RS. You comments are spot on. I can understand the visceral appeal of the GS for some, but as a pure on-road machine the RS is superb. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I often wonder how many GS's actually go seriously off road anyway.
Not many go off road, mate. Don’t believe the sales brochures about going through swollen rivers or summiting Everest on one. These guys are pro-racers, X-Dakar etc. 99% of riders end up in ditches or in ravines - too big and heavy. On saying that, I’ve got a GS12 and love it 😊
The GS is better for a pillion and has better wind protection and I have found the 3 I've had to be very comfortable. However.... I'm getting on a bit and only 5'7" so have test ridden the 1250R and 1250RS, both of which are far easier to handle at low speeds than the GS. I'm surprised the salesman let you out of the showroom 😂 I got a cost to change trading in my 2020 low milage 1250 GS TE Exclusive against a new 1250RS SE sport with the tubular bars, luggage rack and heated grips and was pleasantly surprised at the figures as the cost of a new GS TE is now considerably more than the RS so residuals for used GS's reflect this. So if you can do without the acro, klewless ride and tyre pressure monitoring you might be pleasantly surprised/tempted/thinking what you're going to tell SWMBO. I find it's easier to receive forgiveness than get permission.......
@@motomogul If only.... I haven't got one, currently there's no build dates available for new ones so I'm guessing the mothership is going flat out producing the new 1300GS ready for the launch in September.
@@Bazza47 ah! Ok sorry, misread your last message. Yes, I think they’re putting a lot of energy into that new model but for obvious reasons really. The 1250 GS is a hard act to follow.
"The MILF of sport tourers." Just based on that comment alone, I'm tempted to sell my car so I could afford to just go and stick this in the garage. 🤣 I took a spin on an R1250R a few days ago, BMW was at the local dealership for a demo day. Sadly I arrived too late to take out more than one, because I would love to have taken out the RS as well. I really can't justify purchasing a bike like this at this time, especially since I have a new bike I just bought a couple of years ago. However, I really love the RS, and I'm glad that you do as well. Encouraging!
I replaced my GS with a new RS. Got a KLX for doing the off-road stuff, it's better suited for it, but not great on road. A different tool for different work.
Great review. I have the 2019 GS HP Rallye which I absolutely love - and I the only thing which is stopping me test riding the 1250 RS is I can't afford to buy it when I realise I would rather have that!! I really enjoyed the review and you have a very natural way about you when commentating. Keep up the good work!!
I got one 12 months ago. Since having it I hardly ride my 2022 S1000r which is actually a superb road bike. The R 1250 RS may not be as quick but the boxer engine has more punch and the RS is so much more comfortable which is very handy on some of the terrible roads near my home. It also seems to be more of a premium product than the s1000r. It's beautifully made. It has 2 problems. A horrible exhaust and a windscreen that dumps air on your chest in the low setting and blasts your helmet and is extremely noisy in the high setting. I fixed the exhaust by getting a Fuel muffler that just sounds fantastic and seems to be extremely well made. All at a fraction of the price of an Akrapovic which I don't think sounds as good. The windscreen problem has been helped by the use of a wind deflector.
I’ve quite literally just been looking at what’s available on eBay when your message arrived. I think it’s the only bike I’d swap my GS for. I loved the ride and the comfort and yes, the premium feel. There were some comments above about the screen and moving it up on the retaining screws to raise the height and reduce wind.
I went from a Kawasaki h2sx se to this exact bike, way more upright, wider softer seat, not got the top speed (or supercharger) but the low down grunt, torque and overall comfort (except for the mirrors as I’m very broad shouldered and options for aftermarket gps mount relocation are very…shit, wunderlich being the best I’ve tried so far yet still cut the top of the tft off) are what made me fall in love with this bike
I’ve had five of these since 2015, my latest is triple black with both billet packs as it finally looks good with those on. Glad it’s finally taking off..!
Ps I agree with your comments. There is a lot more to the RS eg linked brakes, dynamic brake light., self cancelling turn signals. Little gifts hidden everywhere.
I think this video has made my mind up. I was going to get a GS but the RS ticks all the boxes. And it is cheaper than the GS. I don't really see me doing much off road so thank you for showing me the light 🤩👍
I’m seriously considering buying one myself, I currently have a 2016 R1200 RS and truly enjoy it. The R1200 RS is quite a bit different from my KTM 1290 Super Duke my only complaint is it needs a little more power.
I was totally sold on my 3 hour trial, now just trying to find a way to have one instead of the bike I bought last year which was a mistake but we all make them. I had the best ride, most relaxed, inspiring ride I have had in over a year on the 1250rs, actually the exact bike your on from Pidcocks… great BMW dealership, very friendly and helpful
@@motomogul I bought a z900rs, don't get me wrong she is a beaut but the constant wind blast and buffeting are playing havoc with my tinnitus and after-effects of PBV in the inner ear it sort of disorientates me from fast to slow speed transitions.
After 7 years on 1200/1250 GS'I'm about to get my RS SE next week. It has most of the things you need over the standard RS (Dynamic and Touring packs included, but not the Comfort pack so no keyless, TPMS, heated grips or chrome silencer) but you can add those separately if you want them. I was VERY surprised just how little it cost me to change from my low mileage 2020 1250GS. Main reasons for change were I no longer carry a pillion, never go offroad and being undertall and getting on a bit the GS is getting a bit of a handful, plus being an undertall umpah lumpah it's a lot easier to ride at low speeds/filtering etc. I will miss the wind protection of the GS but for £150ish the MRA Vario screen will sort that. I'm having the tubular bars with the low seat too as being short I found the reach to the bars just a tad too far and at 820mm the standard seat although ok left me feeling like I was sat on rather than in the bike. So although not GS comfy it should be a nice bike and at around 5k cheaper than an equivelent replacement for my GS it seems a bit of an overlooked bargain and if I have to do a few more mods then the "bargain" price will still leave me with loads of wonga left. I did like the Akrapovich but not the £910 price! I did go for the heated grips, but not the seat as I already have a heated vest. You should really ask your friendly dealer about the cost to change😂 and in the sports colours ❤
I can completely relate to that Bazza. It’s the only bike I would consider swapping my GS for. Give me another couple of years, I’m loving this bike at the moment. It’s nice to know that if I do ever want to change, I’ve already decided what I want, which for me, if you knew me is quite the statement! 😂😂😂🏍️👍
Great review, got a Triple Black SE coming next Friday coming from a GS, spec the SE it’s the best way to get all the bits,only extras after the SE is Comfort pack, top box and seat heating😉needed!,,,
I did enjoy it! Several times! Reinforces my buying decision 😂. Got a loaded one at a winter sale this year. My only disappointment, coming from an oil head RT is that the RS no longer shares the underpinnings of the RT. Seems a bit small to me.
The ergos on this one are really not for some taller riders. To be honest the R1250R feels better. Rode both. Can check my content when you can. Cheers.
I thought about the RS, and I dont off road. I plumped for the GS as I live in Northumberland and spend a lot of time on poorly maintained B and C roads, so it works better for me. I'm 6" and noticed the stretch on the arms. Enjoyed the vid' and it's production.
Nice video bro. Enjoyed. This is one of the nicest BMWs on the market. Somehow the ergos are not universal for all riders. I rode many BMWs and this is one of my favorite. Got my like. Keep going. Cheers.
I have the next best thing, R1100S, 2005, Boxercup Replica, having owned many boxer twins, an original 16v K100RS, this bike is bigger, but deft to handle, so I can imagine how great this new one is.
OEM windscreen looks sporty, but to me was worthless. Replaced with National Cycle V-Stream. Not as sporty but does a great job. I keep it in low position even at interstate speed. Agree, though, great review.
I just got into riding and I like touring a lot. Currently I ride a triumph street triple 765rs. The bmw is my dream bike. Hopefully I can own it one day and park beside my naked bike 😁
Enjoyed vlog Jack, But I’m still picking my GS up next Friday 😊 Im a tall guy so no issues with hight. Im also an old bugger so upright will suit me better.😂 Keep them videos coming..
I'm 6', 70kg, 66yrs old with a slightly dodgy lower back. I've done 15,000 miles on my 1250GS in under 2yrs (after many years on Harleys and other second bikes). It's great everywhere; around town, lumpy B roads and motorways. Super easy to ride, comfortable and confidence inspiring. Pretty hard to fault really. I had an R1200R a few years ago, also excellent but not as comfy as the GS. Ok, there's a lot of them around and my mates take the piss, but I can keep up with anyone and there's a reason why there are so many around. I'm pretty sure you'll love it. p.s. the standard tyres are ok but Road 6's are fantastic on it (if you're not off roading).
@@adrianleach1670 Thanks for info mate, really looking forward to picking GS up now. Will replace tyres with Road 6’s if I don’t get on with them, think Jack mentioned them in one of is vlog’s.
I had the K1200S and let’s face it … no one requires 170bhp and much as I liked the bike I decided I needed something more ‘upright’ and comfier but I’d got used to BMW quality and the shaft drive .. I looked at the Suzuki GSX1000GT and a few other bikes but nothing could temp me to swap … I’d always fancied the RS , couldn’t see the point in a GS … but then I thought ‘put handle bar risers on a RS’ … so that’s what I did and no regrets whatsoever … comfortable , more than enough power in reality , power shift gears .. Motorrad satnav .. yes it’s a twin ( I bought a new Suzuki TL1000R years ago and learnt to ride a twin as opposed to a four ) but it’s actually rather smooth and I enjoy it .. I know people say it has lots of torque but the K1200S wasn’t exactly something you ever asked for more of that and I can’t say I really notice any difference apart from the RS behaves itself whilst the K was forever heading for 3 digit numbers on how fast constable dial … all in all this is my forever bike and I smile at all the GS riders going the long way round to Tescos who bought the wrong bike 😂
I met a guy with a 13 year old K1300S on Sunday. It was in absolutely mint condition too. Gorgeous bike and wouldn’t look out of place in any new sports tourer line up. He did say it was a rocket ship 🚀 The only bike I would change my GS for would be the RS. I didn’t test ride one until after I bought it so it was a bit late by then. Bloody awesome bike 🏍️ 💪👍
@@motomogul mine was 2005 in the yellow /black colours and only had 22,000 on the clock when I sold it , like new condition and I loved it but simply too fast .. I won’t say how fast but even 150 would come up with no effort at all and it was still pulling like a train even then
Got a 24 plate triple black demo aa my gsa is in for warranty work. I can say its really cramped leant over too far wind management is shocking 50mph and i am been blown off.imo the gsa is in another league
An excellent enthusiastic review of the RS, the only bug bare I find is how much more expensive these bikes are by the time you spec them up with all the trimmings. Still the same can be said of most manufacturers these days. It is a lovely looking bike and looks as though it handles effortlessly but not one I would ever see myself owning. The Rocket gets its annual service next Saturday and a quick shifter fitted, that should make it even more fun if that's possible 😀
The addons definitely add up. But that’s just BMW. It’s the same across the range but they are pretty special. Never thought I would be but I am a proper fan of BMW. The engineering and forethought behind the bikes never ceases to amaze. Talking of amazing, a Rocket with a quick shifter…… hold on tight! 🤯😆😎💪🏍️
BMW definitely do this as a tactic. The price of the base model is reasonable, but the test bike you'll ride will be totally spec'd up (with their different 'packs') Don't think that BMW build quality is the best...it isn't...I've owned lots of BMW's (6) and their build quality has declined. I had a new RT, and a new GS and both had serious problems. The dealer and BMW argued over who was going to sort it. Front wheel bearings gone at 7,000 miles! I got fed up and now ride a 1995 K1100LT which is faultless. I want this 1250RS but for that price I want excellent build quality, reliability and great dealer and brand service. My R1100S ranks as in my top 10 of my 78 bikes. I really enjoyed this review.
Had my 18 reg R1200RS for 18 months now and still loving it.. it had 5000 miles and at 12 months of ownership I had it's 12000 mile service done. Sadly it was found that the shaft drive had already seized up at the splines.. so a major major point for all BMW shaft drive owners to be aware of. By the time one is out of warranty.. it could already be seized if the splines haven't been greased yearly! Great bike though which is making my big mile motorcycle tours an absolute doddle. But I do miss the street triple for the ultimate toy factor
Done the gsa thing and loved it. Wanted something I could flatfoot and saw a 1200rs. It’s close to being the perfect bike and no regrets in buying one. More exclusive than the gs and better looking. All day comfy and great handling except slow speed when it feels a bit of a barge. It needs taller wider bars which will transform slow speed handling which I plan to do. For anyone wanting an akra but can’t justify tge ridiculous rip off price, buy a Remus instead. They add a whopping 8-10hp through mid range making the 1200 as powerful as the 1250.
It’s a beautiful bike. With a charm that the GS can’t achieve but the seat on the GS is larger and for the pillion more comfortable also. The suspension I believe is a more forgiving feature on the Gs even on road (once that the RS can’t go off-road anyway) and the maneuvering in low speeds, the angle of turn is different too, I think easier on the GS despite the height of the bike. The wind protection is better also on the GS but on the RS you’re not in the same body position, we’re a little more leaned over the front and on the bars, maybe the protection effect from the wind is similar. The more aerodynamic shape of the RS will play a part in that chapter of riding experience too. There’s only one way to know which bike would suit you better:- owning both for a while and verify where you feel happier riding 👌🏻
Absolutely Brito. I’d love to have an RS for a while to run alternately with my GS. Currently having a couple of nights away on my GS in the North East of England, the roads are superb and the GS feels totally at home. 10 hours riding yesterday and I felt great on the bike 👍
I'm pretty sure the screen will adjust higher than it is set on the video - can be unbolted and moved into a higher position - think there are 4 positions it can be adjusted too
Great review of a great bike 👍 Had two GSA’s handling was excellent and performance ✅ But the weight got me in the end, just too much at my age (mid 60’s) The RS is much better for me and the handling is brilliant, love the bike and the engine. Good stuff
I'm 66 and looking at the 2024 GSA as my 3rd...amazing how many riders own a GSA and are in terrible shape and haven't taken any training to learn what the GSA is all about...lost 13kg from cancer and granted don't do the extreme riding as prior to but gotten a few pointers from lady GS riders and it's the bike you want to be on in the wet...get some training.
On the 1200rs you could move the Windschild Up by Repositioning with the screws. Also you might want to try the other handelbar to avoid the neck strain. AS you get older your Neck becomes un-used to it.😕 Just got Back from a Weekend in the Schwarzwald and the Vogesen in my R1100s. So ask me howI know...
I have a 23 RT and I’m 5’10” and I could not get used to the forward lean/neck stretch so added bar risers and lowered the pedals, much better, still have a slight lean though. Great bike! And yes totally agree on the GS, it’s not a looker….
Hi! Very nice review 👌🏻 I do own the RS (albeit the R1200RS SE version). Also in love with it! Just one point to mention in sort of GS's defence... GS due to its industrial (tank like) design is not going to suffer much in case of accidental drops / falls. We did some touring last year and the friend of mine dropped his GS on Stelvio (with all the luggage, etc...). The boxes took the impact so well, that the damage wasn't even visible. Now, I was contemplating how my plastic RS luggage would cope with it... and I'm sure the problem would have been bigger. Also the side stand... RS sits very upright on the side stand and on a few occasions it was seriously difficult to comfortably leave the bike parked on the trip ( known fault) - no such issue for my RS colleagues. The wind noise (plenty of different screens/deflectors available). Neck pain ... bar reisers to the rescue 😂. One question... the Ram mount you've used on the handlebar... what is it? Do you think it can be attached to the RS mirror extension? Thanks, and all the best 👍🏻
Thanks for the video. I have a new shape tripple black 1000xr at the mo and am seriously tempted by one of these, in for a service in june so will try grab a ride on one.
@@motomogul Not sure if I'll ever afford a new motorcycle but the r1200rs + 1250 seem to be better value than a GS second hand. I know they are cheaper to begin with. May work for me. As a side note my fazer 600 is manageable on gravel and rough tracks so I assume the RS would not complain ether. GS or RS?
@@MotoTourIreland I know what you mean. I over extended what I wanted to borrow to get my GS, but it was a rare opportunity to buy an HP Rally low frame model in such good condition with only 6k miles on it. Plus, I knew that I’d had enough of the Africa Twin by that point. I really have no regrets about buying it other than being skint a lot. I will keep it for a good few years yet. When I look around, I don’t see anything that could possibly take its place.
@@motomogul I have short legs so it does corner me into buying the lowered machines. Sounds like you got a good bike there. Being over extended is never fun but look at what you have... a very nice capable content cruiser. GS can do it all.
LOVE MY GS. I DON'T OFFROAD MY BIKE, PUT STREET TIRES ON IT AND IT'S SOOO MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE THAN THE RS. THE RS leans you way too far forward unless you are 6'6 and have a long reach. GS folks, sells for more as well!
Half the people I ride GS with NEVER been off-road. I wonder why they bought GS? I ride 40-50% off-road so I have zero interest in an RS. I do like the sport bike position for distance, but I've never liked the narrow bars. Who cares what the mirrors look like, they work well.
@@motomogul it's foolish to put that much emphasis on a tool that otherwise functions. Bar end mirrors take your vision away from the road. This is a common complaint about the RT.
Great review jack , i have the rs and was contemplating a gs , i took one out back to back , and took myself home and slapped myself , the rs is a very understated bike and thanks to your review people might give it a second thought . There both very good at what they do . Tip for the screen , move it up onto top holes , works a treat for me 👍
Well I'm glad I didn't have to come over there and slap you! Sometimes we just need a change but buying the RS was the best change for me! I had a 750GS as my entry into a bit of adventure riding (forestry roads over here) and quickly discovered it was not my jam. I like silence in the forest, hate the dust in my eyes (wreaks havoc with contact lens) and no one mentioned that falling hurts! Enjoy your RS!
Torque is 143Nm, not 105 as stated here. R1200RS was 125hp, 125Nm. Difference due mostly to the extra capacity 1254 vs 1170. Shiftcam improves torque at lower power output. IanB
What a fantastic review! I've been seriously considering one of these (or the R Version) for some time now to replace my '21 Yamaha Tracer. The thing is, I like the Tracer so much for now. But this one is definitely on my list of future bikes, I daren't test ride just yet as I'm an impulse buyer! Subscribed!
Your graphic on the tank is wrong. Total capacity is almost 18 ltr including reserve. Have a 2019 Exclusive. Standard bike needs a better horn, a Mudsling for the rear and Xheads. I like the mirrors and they are better for filtering than bar end ones. Would have liked mirrors to hold the flashers, and ditch the "highway pegs" that come standard. Been a daily rider of the LC RS since 2015. Wonderful bikes, and the 1250 has so much more torque and horsepower.
The wind screen on the GS is pretty much magical in how it provides the perfect amount of wind protection. Also, the GS has very comfortable arm position and leg room. If you are looking to go long distances for multiple days, I think it is hard to beat the GS (obviously, the RT is also an option).
If you stick to driving mainly on the roads and not so much off roads, the RS will be much more efficient and agile compared to the GS. And there's one simple reason for that : Physics ! Because the center of gravity is much lower and its "sport tourer" architecture and riding position make it especially more efficient while on the road and switching from one corner to another.
@@escanor9920 And the hip angle of the RS (77 degrees) compared to the GS (96 degrees) means the RS will be much more efficient than the GS at aggravating my hip arthritis.
I don’t notice my arthritis pain when I’m riding. I struggle to get on and off because of the limited leg abduction but absolutely no pain when riding. Driving my car is much more painful.
The off roading point(s) are moot in my opinion. I would bet that fewer than 1% of UK GS owners take the bike off road. Main reason being they are too bloody heavy for the untrained (and the trained actually). Off-roading folk use 200kg bikes at the max. The main point of the GS is that taller folks like me at 6’4 and above are more comfortable. And that for the one week a year that our partners want to join, we can carry their shoe and frock collection more comfortably. Saying all the above, I am the proud owner of a reasonably new RS1250 like this but with handlebar risers and taller screen. Loving it. It is dynamically a better bike than the GS and notably lighter too.
Thanks great review! Of course I subscribed...love your style. Lots of bicyclists in England I see (my sport...go Ineos) but I hear that people mostly hate them. That true?
Thanks Dennzio, cyclists in the UK have become increasingly unpopular because of their poor behaviour on the roads. I’ve cycled for many years but I’ve increasingly found the latest bunch of cyclists (since the Olympic Games) to carry a superior attitude to other road users. They seem to expect everyone else to get out of their way and really don’t recognise their vulnerability. This inevitably leads to conflict 🤷🏼♂️🚴🏻♂️🏍️🚙🚚🚛
@@catonehere Cycled for years. Not one of the latest bunch of arseholes making their riding everyone else’s problem. I’ve had 2 hip surgeries so makes for excellent physio too. We’re all on two wheels, just need to learn how to get along without instantly making an enemy. What’s the point in that?
Hi, this bike, triple black will be in my home in a few days. First Bmw for me, so, we will see..Before Z1000SX has been a lovely bike, fantastic sport tourer, I want to try if this will be better or no.Regards friend
Excellent review, thanks ! I’m looking to buy a 2019 model, is the same as this year model? Or have there been significative improvements I might be missing with the 2019?
Hi Christian, no major improvements mechanically, there was a few tweeks to the electronics. One was the addition of the Eco mode. Basically you’re getting the same machine 👍
Check to see if you have sports mode screen option. If not try to get the software update which also improves Bluetooth connectivity. The ConnectedRide Cradle for phones is also a plus and avoids the need for separate SATNAV.
Hi Jack, great video. Have you tried the R1250RT, some say that it is better than the RS. It has better touring capabilities and still can be ridden as a sport tourer. Might be worth seeing if you can get hold of one for a test.
I’ve had two RTs and they are great bikes and surprisingly capable bikes I had a LOT of fun sports bike baiting on mine lol But I do find the GSA more comfortable on my legs
I was a long time RS guy (1984 R100RS, 1985 K100RS, 1994 R1100RS, 1998 R1100RS, 2001 R1150RS) until I moved to windy Texas. The newer RSs simply don't have enough fairing coverage for riding west of the Mississippi. Only my former R100RS would be ok in the wind out here... for me. Long distance, and lower speed comfort is also much better. With the RS going sub 75mph was not comfortable. The RT? Any speed is comfortable. And I can ride an RT every bit as fast as an RS. And for much longer due to a much larger fuel tank, when compared to today's RS. All of the RSs I owned had six + gallon fuel tanks.
@@almightybilly I said at the beginning that I would be comparing the RS directly with the GS as that is the bike that I own. The point of the video was to impress upon potential buyers the qualities of the RS instead of the GS.
What is the SE Model? I am in the US and only see the RS. What is the difference? I think that I am going for this model here. Put a deposit down and we will see what happens.
I’m pretty sure the SE stands for Special Equipment. The bike I rode was the demo model from the franchise so had a decent spec level. I think it’s just a UK thing, adding the letters to the end of the description gives you bragging rights to your mates as the dealership adds equipment to the bike so it’s a standard for that designation. They do the same thing with cars. The Germans just buy the bikes/cars and add what they want to spec their bikes without having the designation letters. Hope this helps? Either was it’s a superb machine, hope you enjoy it 👍
@motomogul Thanks it does! Also what do you think about the bike with tubular bars on it rather than the more sporty and leaning forward? Any thoughts about what's better or benefits?
@@p-dub7422 There were some comments from people who’ve put risers on but I haven’t tried them myself. I found the standard bars were ok ergonomically, although you will get a bit of a stiff neck until you get used to them.
Always been a better road bike than the GS, suits us old short legged riders too😆. Sadly the exhaust needs changing…and the R bars suit us with a dodgy spine. Given my move back towards sports tourers I could be tempted next time…
Now I have the GS I’m not going to swap for the RS, but if I’d tried it before then it would have been a very difficult decision over which one I’d choose.
@@motomogulyeah, I guess the quandary I’m in is the off-road capabilities. I might want to hit up a gravel/dirt road every now and then since they are abundant in Oregon. Ugh decisions decisions…
The reason I personally have an adventure bike isn't because I go off road, but because a lot of my riding is up snotty, gravelly, muddy single track welsh lanes up and down mountains. I'd love the RS but not sure it would be nimble and rugged enough?
I own a R1250R and testrode it and a R1250RS multiple times back-to-back before buying the R. I found the ergonomics on the RS a bit too aggressive (compared to the R, which has just a slight forward lean). The wheelbase (and rake) on the RS is also a bit longer, which combined with the ergos, results in a heavier, less nimble feel, especially in corners…takes more input. Those are the primary two reasons why I chose the R over the RS, even though I originally went into the dealership to try/buy the RS. Me: 6’1”, 34” inseam.
Don’t own a BMW but I hate the pannier brackets being stuck on the bikes,it spoils the lines of the bike when your not using the panniers , green light for fuel economy isn’t a new thing ,Kawasaki have had a little symbol for years,that does the same thing ,,like this and the 4 cylinder road version,
@@motomogul Riding position, longer travel suspension for crappy roads/lanes, better for touring. Basically the GS is an all rounder and if you only have one bike it’s hard to beat. Depreciation is another important factor in favour of the GS. Personally having said all that, I would be very happy with R1250RS in my garage.
I would have bought a RS, but at 6'5" tall with a 36" inseam, the seat to foot pegs was too small for me, as well as too bent over like a sport bike, I'd need 4 " risers with at least 2 " of pullback, to help out my lower back. The anti dive on the telelever forks is also superior to the forks on this RS, as well as the suspension more plush, smoother, on bumpy roads. Proud owner of a US model 1250 GS Trophy 2 weeks now. Do NOT ever test ride a BMW if you don't have money in hand. Not good for the finances!
I agree, for someone of your height the RS would seem really small. I think the telelever suspension isn’t really necessary for a sports tourer having shorter travel through the forks and stiffer suspension anyway the dive wasn’t a worry for me. Glad you’re loving the Trophy. The GS in all its forms is a supreme ride, I tried to resist buying mine but in the end my head and eventually my heart were in full agreement. I’m yet to ride another machine that ticks enough boxes to take over from my GS. 👍
Tbh, I’ve never ridden the Kawasaki. Partly thanks to the incredibly poor service I received from my local dealership when I was looking for a replacement for my ATAS. I’d love to give it a go for a direct comparison 👍
The standard screen on my 2019 GS is the best I’ve found yet, it does everything very well. However, I am currently using a Puig sport screen which means I do get wind blast. The beauty of it is that the screen flattens the air so it’s linear and less turbulent. Makes me feel like I’m riding a motorbike though, and that’s the point, right?
I owned 6 BMWs over my 40+ years of riding. I have a framed 500,000-mile award and medallion from BMW North America. I lost all respect for BMW when they replaced their history of pragmatic engineering with trendy electronic gimmickry. Replacing the 1200/1250 R and RS's front suspension with common telescopic suspension(Inverted or not) rather than the clearly superior Tele-Lever enjoyed on the GS and 1200/1250 RT vindicated they had lost the faith(along with my longtime patronage).
I've owned and loved a R1100RS, a K1200RS, and am now on my 2nd R1250RS. Outstanding bikes; glad to see BMW finally giving more out to reviewers to get the word out. Best damn BMW nobody has heard of.
Thanks buddy. Yeah, I’ve been overwhelmed with the love shown for this bike by those smart enough to know. 😍👍😎
@@motomogul They're hard to find new on a sales floor anywhere in max trim. I looked for months, then decided to order one. Dealer lied about delivery date, I quit waiting and found a barely used one in Florida. Bought it over the phone and had it shipped to me. Totalled it 3 weeks later and immediately found another one in similar condition in Arizona. This time I flew out there and rode it back to Milwaukee.
Two weeks later I was at the dealer picking up some bits and bobs, and the bike I had ordered in February had finally arrived -- in September. It sold the very next day, over the phone from a guy from Indiana who saw it online. Those who are into this kind of bike I think know how really well BMW have done with this bike. Over 90 years of perfecting an engine design on a platform that created a whole new market segment that's been in production for 47 years.
Could use a better-designed front end that produces less wind buffeting. Worst of all the RSes I've owned; I don't know anyone who keeps the stock windshield because of it. But otherwise? ... [chef's kiss]
Yes, but how is it on long rides of 500 miles plus?
"If you are not going to offroad your GS, buy this", and I did...via an RNineT and F750GS prior to that. I went to the dealership to buy some oil and I saw the RS last August, swung a leg over and....the rest is history! It is a beautiful bike, I've had several people comment on its looks when I fill up with gas (petrol). The only thing not available last year was the ECO mode and seat heating, I have all the other nice tech bits you mention. I did add bar risers and a larger screen for touring because I'm 168 cm tall and the stock screen made my tinnitus roar, but all summer the short screen is back on its lowest screw attachments - gives a delightful naked bike feel (with ear plugs). A thrilling machine and I loved your review and positive feedback on the unassuming, often overlooked bike of the BMW lineup.
Thank you Diana. Give me a couple of years to get some money’s worth out of my GS and I’m pretty sure I’ll be throwing my leg over one of these beauties this side of the pond.
I’m not fussed about the muesli mode though, where’s the fun in that? 🤔😂🏍️
Hi Diana, I,m seriously thinking about this as my next bike. Which bar risers did you use, and did you have to lengthen the clutch cable? Which aftermarket screen did you go for? Regards, Andrew.
I bought the RS because of 1) looks 2) low down COG 3) Not doing off-road on a 250kg bike 3) handling 4) I can get my feet down. I love it. I've swapped the bars for Wunderlich, put an MRA Vario screen on, and bare-end mirrors. It's the best bike I've ever had.
That sounds like perfection to me 👌🏼
Do you have to reroute any cables or change to longer cables to do the wunderlich bars
I got it done by a local workshop - I think they did do a small bit of re-routing. @@jays9211
I was very happy to find one second hand last year with 4000 mi on it. I love it. I did just order some helibars for it, but the reach is not bad without them either. If I didn’t have shoulder surgery, I might not have changed it. I’ve put 5000 of my own miles on mine, and upgraded the tires to road 6gt’s. Super great bike, probably my last one.
Never say never Brian. 😉😂👍
Which one?
Great review. I have my RS for 2 and 1/2 years now. What a fantastic bike this is to ride. If you are not a fan of off-road than take the RS for sure.
Thanks JP 👍👍👍
Been on my blue exclusive for three years now. Might have to swap it for the triple black. What a great bike. Thanks for the vid.@@motomogul
@@tonylawson9319 Cheers Tony. Black really wouldn’t be my first choice for a bike though, I prefer the blue 👍
Three hour test ride on one yesterday - order placed. Awesome piece of kit.
While a snowstorm has been howling outside my window, I have really enjoyed your easy commentary that didn't try to bury me with details. I also liked reading your TFT as you moved along. After 3 RSs beginning in 1988 (2 Ks and 1 R and 100k+ miles), I've been off-roading for the last 7 years (48k miles with a DL650XT. I was good enough, I suppose, but I freely admit preferring a sport touring experience. So last Oct, I picked up a '21 1250RS. Now I truly feel at home and am super impressed with all it has to offer this 78-year-old.! Kinda like having a FWB with "the milf of sport-tourers!" Thanks again.
I’m glad you’re back on an RS, they are a superb bike. I’m pretty sure I’ll own one someday. Ride safe buddy 👍🏍️👍
Deserving praise for the RS. You comments are spot on. I can understand the visceral appeal of the GS for some, but as a pure on-road machine the RS is superb. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I often wonder how many GS's actually go seriously off road anyway.
Not many go off road, mate. Don’t believe the sales brochures about going through swollen rivers or summiting Everest on one. These guys are pro-racers, X-Dakar etc. 99% of riders end up in ditches or in ravines - too big and heavy. On saying that, I’ve got a GS12 and love it 😊
The GS is better for a pillion and has better wind protection and I have found the 3 I've had to be very comfortable. However.... I'm getting on a bit and only 5'7" so have test ridden the 1250R and 1250RS, both of which are far easier to handle at low speeds than the GS. I'm surprised the salesman let you out of the showroom 😂 I got a cost to change trading in my 2020 low milage 1250 GS TE Exclusive against a new 1250RS SE sport with the tubular bars, luggage rack and heated grips and was pleasantly surprised at the figures as the cost of a new GS TE is now considerably more than the RS so residuals for used GS's reflect this. So if you can do without the acro, klewless ride and tyre pressure monitoring you might be pleasantly surprised/tempted/thinking what you're going to tell SWMBO. I find it's easier to receive forgiveness than get permission.......
Glad you’re enjoying the RS Adrian 👍
@@motomogul If only.... I haven't got one, currently there's no build dates available for new ones so I'm guessing the mothership is going flat out producing the new 1300GS ready for the launch in September.
@@Bazza47 ah! Ok sorry, misread your last message. Yes, I think they’re putting a lot of energy into that new model but for obvious reasons really. The 1250 GS is a hard act to follow.
"The MILF of sport tourers." Just based on that comment alone, I'm tempted to sell my car so I could afford to just go and stick this in the garage. 🤣
I took a spin on an R1250R a few days ago, BMW was at the local dealership for a demo day. Sadly I arrived too late to take out more than one, because I would love to have taken out the RS as well.
I really can't justify purchasing a bike like this at this time, especially since I have a new bike I just bought a couple of years ago. However, I really love the RS, and I'm glad that you do as well. Encouraging!
I replaced my GS with a new RS. Got a KLX for doing the off-road stuff, it's better suited for it, but not great on road. A different tool for different work.
Great review. I have the 2019 GS HP Rallye which I absolutely love - and I the only thing which is stopping me test riding the 1250 RS is I can't afford to buy it when I realise I would rather have that!! I really enjoyed the review and you have a very natural way about you when commentating. Keep up the good work!!
Thanks Mike, will do bud 👍👍👍
I got one 12 months ago. Since having it I hardly ride my 2022 S1000r which is actually a superb road bike. The R 1250 RS may not be as quick but the boxer engine has more punch and the RS is so much more comfortable which is very handy on some of the terrible roads near my home. It also seems to be more of a premium product than the s1000r. It's beautifully made. It has 2 problems. A horrible exhaust and a windscreen that dumps air on your chest in the low setting and blasts your helmet and is extremely noisy in the high setting. I fixed the exhaust by getting a Fuel muffler that just sounds fantastic and seems to be extremely well made. All at a fraction of the price of an Akrapovic which I don't think sounds as good. The windscreen problem has been helped by the use of a wind deflector.
I’ve quite literally just been looking at what’s available on eBay when your message arrived.
I think it’s the only bike I’d swap my GS for. I loved the ride and the comfort and yes, the premium feel.
There were some comments above about the screen and moving it up on the retaining screws to raise the height and reduce wind.
I ordered my bike last week with Wayne ! I went for the R1250R though.
Great. A very nice bike. Rode it. Can check my test ride, just drop by. Ride safe.
What a terrific bike! Well done and enjoy your new ride. Greetings from Italy
I went from a Kawasaki h2sx se to this exact bike, way more upright, wider softer seat, not got the top speed (or supercharger) but the low down grunt, torque and overall comfort (except for the mirrors as I’m very broad shouldered and options for aftermarket gps mount relocation are very…shit, wunderlich being the best I’ve tried so far yet still cut the top of the tft off) are what made me fall in love with this bike
I’ve had five of these since 2015, my latest is triple black with both billet packs as it finally looks good with those on. Glad it’s finally taking off..!
WTF? Why
@@TheDennzio
Why not?
Why what? @@TheDennzio
Ps I agree with your comments. There is a lot more to the RS eg linked brakes, dynamic brake light., self cancelling turn signals. Little gifts hidden everywhere.
Picking up mine next week 😊. Thanks for the review ✌️
My pleasure Giovanni, you lucky, lucky man! 🤩🏍️👍😎
How do you like it so far? Thank you.
@@EEEBA1 I really love this bike! Nearly 20000 km and no complaints, only positives ✌️
Quality vlog Jack,loved it, the triple black looked 👌
Thanks Andrew. Personally I love the sport option. 👍
I think this video has made my mind up. I was going to get a GS but the RS ticks all the boxes. And it is cheaper than the GS. I don't really see me doing much off road so thank you for showing me the light 🤩👍
Why not take them both out for a test ride first? It’s a lot of money to spend if you always wish you’d bought the other one. 👍
I’m seriously considering buying one myself, I currently have a 2016 R1200 RS and truly enjoy it. The R1200 RS is quite a bit different from my KTM 1290 Super Duke my only complaint is it needs a little more power.
I was totally sold on my 3 hour trial, now just trying to find a way to have one instead of the bike I bought last year which was a mistake but we all make them. I had the best ride, most relaxed, inspiring ride I have had in over a year on the 1250rs, actually the exact bike your on from Pidcocks… great BMW dealership, very friendly and helpful
What bike do you have now Karl?
@@motomogul I bought a z900rs, don't get me wrong she is a beaut but the constant wind blast and buffeting are playing havoc with my tinnitus and after-effects of PBV in the inner ear it sort of disorientates me from fast to slow speed transitions.
After 7 years on 1200/1250 GS'I'm about to get my RS SE next week. It has most of the things you need over the standard RS (Dynamic and Touring packs included, but not the Comfort pack so no keyless, TPMS, heated grips or chrome silencer) but you can add those separately if you want them. I was VERY surprised just how little it cost me to change from my low mileage 2020 1250GS. Main reasons for change were I no longer carry a pillion, never go offroad and being undertall and getting on a bit the GS is getting a bit of a handful, plus being an undertall umpah lumpah it's a lot easier to ride at low speeds/filtering etc. I will miss the wind protection of the GS but for £150ish the MRA Vario screen will sort that. I'm having the tubular bars with the low seat too as being short I found the reach to the bars just a tad too far and at 820mm the standard seat although ok left me feeling like I was sat on rather than in the bike. So although not GS comfy it should be a nice bike and at around 5k cheaper than an equivelent replacement for my GS it seems a bit of an overlooked bargain and if I have to do a few more mods then the "bargain" price will still leave me with loads of wonga left. I did like the Akrapovich but not the £910 price! I did go for the heated grips, but not the seat as I already have a heated vest. You should really ask your friendly dealer about the cost to change😂 and in the sports colours ❤
I can completely relate to that Bazza. It’s the only bike I would consider swapping my GS for. Give me another couple of years, I’m loving this bike at the moment. It’s nice to know that if I do ever want to change, I’ve already decided what I want, which for me, if you knew me is quite the statement! 😂😂😂🏍️👍
Great review, got a Triple Black SE coming next Friday coming from a GS, spec the SE it’s the best way to get all the bits,only extras after the SE is Comfort pack, top box and seat heating😉needed!,,,
Awesome. Enjoy your new bike buddy 👍👍👍🏍️
I did enjoy it! Several times! Reinforces my buying decision 😂. Got a loaded one at a winter sale this year. My only disappointment, coming from an oil head RT is that the RS no longer shares the underpinnings of the RT. Seems a bit small to me.
The ergos on this one are really not for some taller riders. To be honest the R1250R feels better. Rode both. Can check my content when you can. Cheers.
I thought about the RS, and I dont off road. I plumped for the GS as I live in Northumberland and spend a lot of time on poorly maintained B and C roads, so it works better for me. I'm 6" and noticed the stretch on the arms. Enjoyed the vid' and it's production.
Thanks buddy 👍
Nice video bro. Enjoyed. This is one of the nicest BMWs on the market. Somehow the ergos are not universal for all riders. I rode many BMWs and this is one of my favorite. Got my like. Keep going. Cheers.
@@RRRRefuelRideRace Thanks bud, it’s a great bike 👍
@@motomogul I agree. You are welcome.
I have the next best thing, R1100S, 2005, Boxercup Replica, having owned many boxer twins, an original 16v K100RS, this bike is bigger, but deft to handle, so I can imagine how great this new one is.
Great review, I own one, an awesome bike. Though your main gripe, the screen, is spot on.
Someone commented to move it up on the screw fixings. Maybe worth a try? 👍
@@motomogul already done that, set as best as possible for me.
OEM windscreen looks sporty, but to me was worthless. Replaced with National Cycle V-Stream. Not as sporty but does a great job. I keep it in low position even at interstate speed. Agree, though, great review.
I just got into riding and I like touring a lot. Currently I ride a triumph street triple 765rs. The bmw is my dream bike. Hopefully I can own it one day and park beside my naked bike 😁
I’d love two bikes as well Farizshj ✌️😂😎🤩
Enjoyed vlog Jack, But I’m still picking my GS up next Friday 😊
Im a tall guy so no issues with hight.
Im also an old bugger so upright will suit me better.😂
Keep them videos coming..
Thanks Dave, will do bud. I’m keeping my GS too. Enjoy the new bike fella 👍
I'm 6', 70kg, 66yrs old with a slightly dodgy lower back. I've done 15,000 miles on my 1250GS in under 2yrs (after many years on Harleys and other second bikes). It's great everywhere; around town, lumpy B roads and motorways. Super easy to ride, comfortable and confidence inspiring. Pretty hard to fault really. I had an R1200R a few years ago, also excellent but not as comfy as the GS. Ok, there's a lot of them around and my mates take the piss, but I can keep up with anyone and there's a reason why there are so many around. I'm pretty sure you'll love it.
p.s. the standard tyres are ok but Road 6's are fantastic on it (if you're not off roading).
@@adrianleach1670 I do love my GS Adrian 😍🤩😎👍
@@adrianleach1670 Thanks for info mate, really looking forward to picking GS up now.
Will replace tyres with Road 6’s if I don’t get on with them, think Jack mentioned them in one of is vlog’s.
A nesar future machine, similar equipment. Been on RS's since 83.
I had the K1200S and let’s face it … no one requires 170bhp and much as I liked the bike I decided I needed something more ‘upright’ and comfier but I’d got used to BMW quality and the shaft drive .. I looked at the Suzuki GSX1000GT and a few other bikes but nothing could temp me to swap … I’d always fancied the RS , couldn’t see the point in a GS … but then I thought ‘put handle bar risers on a RS’ … so that’s what I did and no regrets whatsoever … comfortable , more than enough power in reality , power shift gears .. Motorrad satnav .. yes it’s a twin ( I bought a new Suzuki TL1000R years ago and learnt to ride a twin as opposed to a four ) but it’s actually rather smooth and I enjoy it .. I know people say it has lots of torque but the K1200S wasn’t exactly something you ever asked for more of that and I can’t say I really notice any difference apart from the RS behaves itself whilst the K was forever heading for 3 digit numbers on how fast constable dial … all in all this is my forever bike and I smile at all the GS riders going the long way round to Tescos who bought the wrong bike 😂
I met a guy with a 13 year old K1300S on Sunday. It was in absolutely mint condition too. Gorgeous bike and wouldn’t look out of place in any new sports tourer line up. He did say it was a rocket ship 🚀 The only bike I would change my GS for would be the RS. I didn’t test ride one until after I bought it so it was a bit late by then. Bloody awesome bike 🏍️ 💪👍
@@motomogul mine was 2005 in the yellow /black colours and only had 22,000 on the clock when I sold it , like new condition and I loved it but simply too fast .. I won’t say how fast but even 150 would come up with no effort at all and it was still pulling like a train even then
Got a 24 plate triple black demo aa my gsa is in for warranty work. I can say its really cramped leant over too far wind management is shocking 50mph and i am been blown off.imo the gsa is in another league
I really don’t understand why BMW has taken a gamble with this design. Not heard a good word about it yet 🤷🏼♂️
An excellent enthusiastic review of the RS, the only bug bare I find is how much more expensive these bikes are by the time you spec them up with all the trimmings. Still the same can be said of most manufacturers these days. It is a lovely looking bike and looks as though it handles effortlessly but not one I would ever see myself owning. The Rocket gets its annual service next Saturday and a quick shifter fitted, that should make it even more fun if that's possible 😀
The addons definitely add up. But that’s just BMW. It’s the same across the range but they are pretty special. Never thought I would be but I am a proper fan of BMW. The engineering and forethought behind the bikes never ceases to amaze.
Talking of amazing, a Rocket with a quick shifter…… hold on tight! 🤯😆😎💪🏍️
@@motomogul "The engineering and forethought behind the bikes never ceases to amaze"....except for the cosmetics of the mirrors. 😂😂
BMW definitely do this as a tactic. The price of the base model is reasonable, but the test bike you'll ride will be totally spec'd up (with their different 'packs') Don't think that BMW build quality is the best...it isn't...I've owned lots of BMW's (6) and their build quality has declined. I had a new RT, and a new GS and both had serious problems. The dealer and BMW argued over who was going to sort it. Front wheel bearings gone at 7,000 miles! I got fed up and now ride a 1995 K1100LT which is faultless.
I want this 1250RS but for that price I want excellent build quality, reliability and great dealer and brand service. My R1100S ranks as in my top 10 of my 78 bikes.
I really enjoyed this review.
Had my 18 reg R1200RS for 18 months now and still loving it.. it had 5000 miles and at 12 months of ownership I had it's 12000 mile service done. Sadly it was found that the shaft drive had already seized up at the splines.. so a major major point for all BMW shaft drive owners to be aware of. By the time one is out of warranty.. it could already be seized if the splines haven't been greased yearly! Great bike though which is making my big mile motorcycle tours an absolute doddle. But I do miss the street triple for the ultimate toy factor
That sounds like an expensive repair Shaun. ☹️
@@motomogul very...it had me considering ditching the bike at one point.. but just grimmed and bared it
@@SPCOOPERR I suppose choices are limited in a situation like that? 👎🏍️☹️
We have only GS line up here in my country. It´s sad...🥲
Greetings from Brasil🏁🏍
Hi buddy, thanks for the comment. Have you spoken with your dealership to see if they can get the RS into their lineup? Might be worth a shot? 👍
@@motomogul yes, i did. That is a BMW Motorrad policy here. unfortunately...
@@orzjr Wow! That is some odd policy!
MRA screen helps a lot with wind buffeting
Done the gsa thing and loved it. Wanted something I could flatfoot and saw a 1200rs. It’s close to being the perfect bike and no regrets in buying one. More exclusive than the gs and better looking. All day comfy and great handling except slow speed when it feels a bit of a barge. It needs taller wider bars which will transform slow speed handling which I plan to do.
For anyone wanting an akra but can’t justify tge ridiculous rip off price, buy a Remus instead. They add a whopping 8-10hp through mid range making the 1200 as powerful as the 1250.
Definitely more exclusive than the GS. Great bit of info about the Remus exhaust too. Thanks buddy 👍
It’s a beautiful bike. With a charm that the GS can’t achieve but the seat on the GS is larger and for the pillion more comfortable also. The suspension I believe is a more forgiving feature on the Gs even on road (once that the RS can’t go off-road anyway) and the maneuvering in low speeds, the angle of turn is different too, I think easier on the GS despite the height of the bike. The wind protection is better also on the GS but on the RS you’re not in the same body position, we’re a little more leaned over the front and on the bars, maybe the protection effect from the wind is similar. The more aerodynamic shape of the RS will play a part in that chapter of riding experience too. There’s only one way to know which bike would suit you better:- owning both for a while and verify where you feel happier riding 👌🏻
Absolutely Brito. I’d love to have an RS for a while to run alternately with my GS. Currently having a couple of nights away on my GS in the North East of England, the roads are superb and the GS feels totally at home. 10 hours riding yesterday and I felt great on the bike 👍
I'm pretty sure the screen will adjust higher than it is set on the video - can be unbolted and moved into a higher position - think there are 4 positions it can be adjusted too
Yeah, someone else mentioned that in the earlier comments 👆👍
On the top of my next bike list this one whenever that happens to be lol, currently on a 1290 SDGT so I’m in no rush.
You’re obviously a man with discerning taste 🏍️👍
Nice review this I think is my next bike just waiting to see if they are going to put the 1300 in it ,I hope so thanks for sharing 👍
You may get a good deal on a 1250 if they decide to “upgrade” it. It’s a damned fine machine as it is 👍
Great review of a great bike 👍 Had two GSA’s handling was excellent and performance ✅ But the weight got me in the end, just too much at my age (mid 60’s) The RS is much better for me and the handling is brilliant, love the bike and the engine. Good stuff
It is much easier to handle with the weight even lower down and you still get the same superb engine 👍👍👍
I'm 66 and looking at the 2024 GSA as my 3rd...amazing how many riders own a GSA and are in terrible shape and haven't taken any training to learn what the GSA is all about...lost 13kg from cancer and granted don't do the extreme riding as prior to but gotten a few pointers from lady GS riders and it's the bike you want to be on in the wet...get some training.
On the 1200rs you could move the Windschild Up by Repositioning with the screws. Also you might want to try the other handelbar to avoid the neck strain. AS you get older your Neck becomes un-used to it.😕 Just got Back from a Weekend in the Schwarzwald and the Vogesen in my R1100s. So ask me howI know...
I can vouch for the aches and pains with age! 👴🤔😅
I have a 23 RT and I’m 5’10” and I could not get used to the forward lean/neck stretch so added bar risers and lowered the pedals, much better, still have a slight lean though. Great bike! And yes totally agree on the GS, it’s not a looker….
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Hi! Very nice review 👌🏻 I do own the RS (albeit the R1200RS SE version). Also in love with it! Just one point to mention in sort of GS's defence... GS due to its industrial (tank like) design is not going to suffer much in case of accidental drops / falls. We did some touring last year and the friend of mine dropped his GS on Stelvio (with all the luggage, etc...). The boxes took the impact so well, that the damage wasn't even visible. Now, I was contemplating how my plastic RS luggage would cope with it... and I'm sure the problem would have been bigger. Also the side stand... RS sits very upright on the side stand and on a few occasions it was seriously difficult to comfortably leave the bike parked on the trip ( known fault) - no such issue for my RS colleagues. The wind noise (plenty of different screens/deflectors available). Neck pain ... bar reisers to the rescue 😂. One question... the Ram mount you've used on the handlebar... what is it? Do you think it can be attached to the RS mirror extension? Thanks, and all the best 👍🏻
Thanks Mick, I did try to clamp the camera to the mirror but the jaws were too big. There are smaller ones out there 👍
I currently own a '20 GSA but in the market for an RS. Prefer to have both feet on the ground at stops 😅
Thanks for the video. I have a new shape tripple black 1000xr at the mo and am seriously tempted by one of these, in for a service in june so will try grab a ride on one.
Lots of character from the 2 cylinder engine compared to the inline 4 👍
Saw one recently. A 1200RS with a red frame. Very nice it was.
They are a lovely bike. Wish I’d tried one before I bought my GS. I can’t really justify swapping now, it would cost me a fortune and I do love my GS.
@@motomogul Not sure if I'll ever afford a new motorcycle but the r1200rs + 1250 seem to be better value than a GS second hand. I know they are cheaper to begin with. May work for me.
As a side note my fazer 600 is manageable on gravel and rough tracks so I assume the RS would not complain ether. GS or RS?
@@MotoTourIreland I know what you mean. I over extended what I wanted to borrow to get my GS, but it was a rare opportunity to buy an HP Rally low frame model in such good condition with only 6k miles on it. Plus, I knew that I’d had enough of the Africa Twin by that point.
I really have no regrets about buying it other than being skint a lot. I will keep it for a good few years yet. When I look around, I don’t see anything that could possibly take its place.
@@motomogul I have short legs so it does corner me into buying the lowered machines. Sounds like you got a good bike there. Being over extended is never fun but look at what you have... a very nice capable content cruiser. GS can do it all.
@@MotoTourIreland Absolutely, I don’t regret buying it 👍
LOVE MY GS. I DON'T OFFROAD MY BIKE, PUT STREET TIRES ON IT AND IT'S SOOO MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE THAN THE RS. THE RS leans you way too far forward unless you are 6'6 and have a long reach. GS folks, sells for more as well!
I was faced with the same decision and the big GSA won out. Both great bikes.
Couldn’t agree more 👍
Half the people I ride GS with NEVER been off-road. I wonder why they bought GS? I ride 40-50% off-road so I have zero interest in an RS. I do like the sport bike position for distance, but I've never liked the narrow bars. Who cares what the mirrors look like, they work well.
I care.
@@motomogul it's foolish to put that much emphasis on a tool that otherwise functions. Bar end mirrors take your vision away from the road. This is a common complaint about the RT.
@@Richard.Cabeza I know but I just think they could look better. Purely my opinion, it doesn’t have to be agreed with.
I would have one too ..if I could afford one..
Still never leting my busa go tho
Great vid Jack
Great review jack , i have the rs and was contemplating a gs , i took one out back to back , and took myself home and slapped myself , the rs is a very understated bike and thanks to your review people might give it a second thought . There both very good at what they do . Tip for the screen , move it up onto top holes , works a treat for me 👍
Thanks for the tip Steve, I’ll pass that on 👍
Check the comments from yesterday, someone has already made their mind up.
Wish I was on commission! 🤣
Well I'm glad I didn't have to come over there and slap you! Sometimes we just need a change but buying the RS was the best change for me! I had a 750GS as my entry into a bit of adventure riding (forestry roads over here) and quickly discovered it was not my jam. I like silence in the forest, hate the dust in my eyes (wreaks havoc with contact lens) and no one mentioned that falling hurts! Enjoy your RS!
28:00 BMW R1250 RS "It's the MILF of sport tourers" LMAO!
Tell me I’m wrong? 🤔😂
Torque is 143Nm, not 105 as stated here. R1200RS was 125hp, 125Nm. Difference due mostly to the extra capacity 1254 vs 1170. Shiftcam improves torque at lower power output.
IanB
143Nm. 105.4lb-ft
What a fantastic review! I've been seriously considering one of these (or the R Version) for some time now to replace my '21 Yamaha Tracer. The thing is, I like the Tracer so much for now. But this one is definitely on my list of future bikes, I daren't test ride just yet as I'm an impulse buyer! Subscribed!
Best you don’t test ride one just yet then! 😂👌🏼🏍️ Thanks for the sub bud 👍
Your graphic on the tank is wrong. Total capacity is almost 18 ltr including reserve.
Have a 2019 Exclusive.
Standard bike needs a better horn, a Mudsling for the rear and Xheads.
I like the mirrors and they are better for filtering than bar end ones.
Would have liked mirrors to hold the flashers, and ditch the "highway pegs" that come standard.
Been a daily rider of the LC RS since 2015.
Wonderful bikes, and the 1250 has so much more torque and horsepower.
I bow to your owner knowledge Mark. Thanks for taking the time to correct my error 👍
The wind screen on the GS is pretty much magical in how it provides the perfect amount of wind protection. Also, the GS has very comfortable arm position and leg room. If you are looking to go long distances for multiple days, I think it is hard to beat the GS (obviously, the RT is also an option).
If you stick to driving mainly on the roads and not so much off roads, the RS will be much more efficient and agile compared to the GS.
And there's one simple reason for that : Physics ! Because the center of gravity is much lower and its "sport tourer" architecture and riding position make it especially more efficient while on the road and switching from one corner to another.
@@escanor9920 And the hip angle of the RS (77 degrees) compared to the GS (96 degrees) means the RS will be much more efficient than the GS at aggravating my hip arthritis.
I don’t notice my arthritis pain when I’m riding. I struggle to get on and off because of the limited leg abduction but absolutely no pain when riding. Driving my car is much more painful.
Week 9 of waiting on my triple black to arrive 😢 desperate to get going 😅
Patience! 😆💪🏍️
The off roading point(s) are moot in my opinion. I would bet that fewer than 1% of UK GS owners take the bike off road. Main reason being they are too bloody heavy for the untrained (and the trained actually). Off-roading folk use 200kg bikes at the max.
The main point of the GS is that taller folks like me at 6’4 and above are more comfortable. And that for the one week a year that our partners want to join, we can carry their shoe and frock collection more comfortably.
Saying all the above, I am the proud owner of a reasonably new RS1250 like this but with handlebar risers and taller screen. Loving it. It is dynamically a better bike than the GS and notably lighter too.
Thanks great review! Of course I subscribed...love your style. Lots of bicyclists in England I see (my sport...go Ineos) but I hear that people mostly hate them. That true?
Thanks Dennzio, cyclists in the UK have become increasingly unpopular because of their poor behaviour on the roads. I’ve cycled for many years but I’ve increasingly found the latest bunch of cyclists (since the Olympic Games) to carry a superior attitude to other road users. They seem to expect everyone else to get out of their way and really don’t recognise their vulnerability. This inevitably leads to conflict 🤷🏼♂️🚴🏻♂️🏍️🚙🚚🚛
WTF you like cycling 😢
@@catonehere Cycled for years. Not one of the latest bunch of arseholes making their riding everyone else’s problem. I’ve had 2 hip surgeries so makes for excellent physio too. We’re all on two wheels, just need to learn how to get along without instantly making an enemy. What’s the point in that?
@@motomogul only joking 🙃 I’m a mountain biker 😂😂
Tks. much.
Hi, this bike, triple black will be in my home in a few days. First Bmw for me, so, we will see..Before Z1000SX has been a lovely bike, fantastic sport tourer, I want to try if this will be better or no.Regards friend
Awesome, enjoy your new ride Piero 👍
Excellent review, thanks ! I’m looking to buy a 2019 model, is the same as this year model? Or have there been significative improvements I might be missing with the 2019?
Hi Christian, no major improvements mechanically, there was a few tweeks to the electronics. One was the addition of the Eco mode. Basically you’re getting the same machine 👍
Check to see if you have sports mode screen option. If not try to get the software update which also improves Bluetooth connectivity. The ConnectedRide Cradle for phones is also a plus and avoids the need for separate SATNAV.
Hi Jack, great video. Have you tried the R1250RT, some say that it is better than the RS. It has better touring capabilities and still can be ridden as a sport tourer. Might be worth seeing if you can get hold of one for a test.
Hi bud, thank you. The RT is on my list. Already spoken about riding that particular bike. 👍👍👍
RT is a great bike but looks wise I couldn’t buy into it. RS a lot sportier looking
@@Chalky29 I have never really worried about looks, more inclined to go for features and practicality. Ugly bikes grow on you after a while.
I’ve had two RTs and they are great bikes and surprisingly capable bikes I had a LOT of fun sports bike baiting on mine lol
But I do find the GSA more comfortable on my legs
I was a long time RS guy (1984 R100RS, 1985 K100RS, 1994 R1100RS, 1998 R1100RS, 2001 R1150RS) until I moved to windy Texas. The newer RSs simply don't have enough fairing coverage for riding west of the Mississippi. Only my former R100RS would be ok in the wind out here... for me. Long distance, and lower speed comfort is also much better. With the RS going sub 75mph was not comfortable. The RT? Any speed is comfortable. And I can ride an RT every bit as fast as an RS. And for much longer due to a much larger fuel tank, when compared to today's RS. All of the RSs I owned had six + gallon fuel tanks.
10 mins in, heard him mention GS for like 45 times. I don't remember anyone mentioning RS even once in GS videos.
@@almightybilly Are you an RS owner?
@@almightybilly I said at the beginning that I would be comparing the RS directly with the GS as that is the bike that I own. The point of the video was to impress upon potential buyers the qualities of the RS instead of the GS.
@@almightybilly Also, I’m not responsible for what others say in their videos
Isn’t the R1250 RT the sport touring version of the GS?
Yes
What is the SE Model? I am in the US and only see the RS. What is the difference? I think that I am going for this model here. Put a deposit down and we will see what happens.
I’m pretty sure the SE stands for Special Equipment. The bike I rode was the demo model from the franchise so had a decent spec level. I think it’s just a UK thing, adding the letters to the end of the description gives you bragging rights to your mates as the dealership adds equipment to the bike so it’s a standard for that designation. They do the same thing with cars. The Germans just buy the bikes/cars and add what they want to spec their bikes without having the designation letters. Hope this helps? Either was it’s a superb machine, hope you enjoy it 👍
@motomogul Thanks it does! Also what do you think about the bike with tubular bars on it rather than the more sporty and leaning forward? Any thoughts about what's better or benefits?
@@p-dub7422 There were some comments from people who’ve put risers on but I haven’t tried them myself. I found the standard bars were ok ergonomically, although you will get a bit of a stiff neck until you get used to them.
What the heck is that black rectangle above the top triple clamp?
Do you mean the sat nav mount? I agree, it does look ugly when sat nav or phone isn’t mounted but it’s an ideal place for it when riding.
Love it , if only I could afford it. 😢
They ain’t cheap Neville!
GSA is more comfortable for me, therefore a better bike for me.
And this is why I would never buy an ex-demo bike lol
Enjoyed the review though 👍
😂 Ride it like you stole it! Right? 🤩 Although, I ride my GS harder 🏍️ Thanks Amber 👍
BMW should make a flat four. smoother sounding less agricultural sounding
That's character!
Always been a better road bike than the GS, suits us old short legged riders too😆. Sadly the exhaust needs changing…and the R bars suit us with a dodgy spine. Given my move back towards sports tourers I could be tempted next time…
Definitely, me too Ian. 🏍️😎👍
You like this more than the GS?
Now I have the GS I’m not going to swap for the RS, but if I’d tried it before then it would have been a very difficult decision over which one I’d choose.
@@motomogulyeah, I guess the quandary I’m in is the off-road capabilities. I might want to hit up a gravel/dirt road every now and then since they are abundant in Oregon. Ugh decisions decisions…
@@fazer2747 In that case, I’d go with the GS 👍
The reason I personally have an adventure bike isn't because I go off road, but because a lot of my riding is up snotty, gravelly, muddy single track welsh lanes up and down mountains. I'd love the RS but not sure it would be nimble and rugged enough?
That classifies as off-road for many. Including me! 😂🏍️👍
Liked your RS review very much. Any chance you could compare it to the 2023 R1250r?
If they will let me ride it John, which I’m sure they will, I’d be delighted 😁
I own a R1250R and testrode it and a R1250RS multiple times back-to-back before buying the R. I found the ergonomics on the RS a bit too aggressive (compared to the R, which has just a slight forward lean). The wheelbase (and rake) on the RS is also a bit longer, which combined with the ergos, results in a heavier, less nimble feel, especially in corners…takes more input. Those are the primary two reasons why I chose the R over the RS, even though I originally went into the dealership to try/buy the RS. Me: 6’1”, 34” inseam.
Don’t own a BMW but I hate the pannier brackets being stuck on the bikes,it spoils the lines of the bike when your not using the panniers , green light for fuel economy isn’t a new thing ,Kawasaki have had a little symbol for years,that does the same thing ,,like this and the 4 cylinder road version,
Four bolts, gone
Four bolts, gone.
136 BHP 143NM OF TORQUE that is plenty enough 👍👍
It’s more than enough for the road 🤩🏍️👍
Put 100% road tires on GS , take all off road scaffolding off, and then compare GS to RS
That does kind of support my argument. What’s the point of a GS if you’re not going to take it off-road?
@@motomogul Riding position, longer travel suspension for crappy roads/lanes, better for touring. Basically the GS is an all rounder and if you only have one bike it’s hard to beat. Depreciation is another important factor in favour of the GS. Personally having said all that, I would be very happy with R1250RS in my garage.
@@jimmyrottencauli 😂me too
Road 6's are great on the GS 👍
@@adrianleach1670 I’m considering them for next winter 👍
I would have bought a RS, but at 6'5" tall with a 36" inseam, the seat to foot pegs was too small for me, as well as too bent over like a sport bike, I'd need 4 " risers with at least 2 " of pullback, to help out my lower back. The anti dive on the telelever forks is also superior to the forks on this RS, as well as the suspension more plush, smoother, on bumpy roads. Proud owner of a US model 1250 GS Trophy 2 weeks now. Do NOT ever test ride a BMW if you don't have money in hand. Not good for the finances!
I agree, for someone of your height the RS would seem really small. I think the telelever suspension isn’t really necessary for a sports tourer having shorter travel through the forks and stiffer suspension anyway the dive wasn’t a worry for me. Glad you’re loving the Trophy. The GS in all its forms is a supreme ride, I tried to resist buying mine but in the end my head and eventually my heart were in full agreement. I’m yet to ride another machine that ticks enough boxes to take over from my GS. 👍
This or Ninja Z1000sx?
Tbh, I’ve never ridden the Kawasaki. Partly thanks to the incredibly poor service I received from my local dealership when I was looking for a replacement for my ATAS. I’d love to give it a go for a direct comparison 👍
Looks -Ninja
Ride -RS
Still needsApple Car Play like their cars
I’m sure they’ve looked at that. The integrated Bluetooth system is pretty poor in my opinion.
99.9% of Filipinos with GS/GSA 1250 motorcycle do not go offroad with their motorcycle..they buy it for Status Symbol. 😂😂😂
for the price of a Gs you nearly buy two excellent japanese bikes
I went gs over rs due to looks.
Does anyone actually make a screen that just bloody works? anyone?? O yes , car manufacturers.
The standard screen on my 2019 GS is the best I’ve found yet, it does everything very well. However, I am currently using a Puig sport screen which means I do get wind blast. The beauty of it is that the screen flattens the air so it’s linear and less turbulent. Makes me feel like I’m riding a motorbike though, and that’s the point, right?
Eco mode hahahahahahahahahahahahaha picking up a 2017 R1200RS/SE on Tuesday if I see any Eco mode it's getting a stake through the heart.
😂😂😂👍
🤤 *Promo SM*
I owned 6 BMWs over my 40+ years of riding. I have a framed 500,000-mile award and medallion from BMW North America. I lost all respect for BMW when they replaced their history of pragmatic engineering with trendy electronic gimmickry. Replacing the 1200/1250 R and RS's front suspension with common telescopic suspension(Inverted or not) rather than the clearly superior Tele-Lever enjoyed on the GS and 1200/1250 RT vindicated they had lost the faith(along with my longtime patronage).
99.9% of Filipinos with GS/GSA 1250 motorcycle do not go offroad with their motorcycle..they buy it for Status Symbol. 😂😂😂
What would you advise to buy for touring Philippines? I’m looking at Goldwing