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I have a R1250R, and I think this is pretty accurate review. It's a pity that Ian didn't have the ESA option. It's one of the best options IMO. ESA is easy to change, when riding. It makes a noticeable difference between comfort and handling. I think I can explain the difference in heat between the left and right. If you look down from the riding position, you will notice the cylinders are offset and inch or two. The right cylinder is closer to your foot. I really like this bike. It's so effortless to ride.
It's a very nice gesture to dedicate this video to the memory of Evans Brasfield. He was one of my favorite journalists, and definitely one of the best in the industry. May he ride forever in eternal peace. I'm not a BMW fan, but the R1250R looks like it could be a lot of fun. Kind of expensive for what you get though--which can be said of most bikes these days, I reckon.
Nice to see the R series getting its due. From 1994 to 2021, I have owned, the 850, 1200 and the 1250 R. It was considered the hooligan bike for gentleman, having tremendous torque and refined manners. For long hauls I did find the acute knee angle and the slightly forward bend of the upper body to cause me to fatigue. I did have a Wind screen to make it more comfortable for tours. In 2021 I bought a triple black GS. I was amazed how comfortable it was allowing me to ride hours and also ,although being heavier, was so easy to handle once underway. If you are considering a bike just for the weekend jaunts, go for the R;however , for long rides or some off-road, not the best choice. Nonetheless, I always loved my Roadster and is a great bike. Thank you for looking at this bike , it is not a retro, or naked but something else….a Roadster! Greetings, Jim
I used to have a 2004 1150R Rockster edition. It was a great tourer. Put some BMW side cases, a luggage rack, 1" bar risers, small windshield and hand deflectors. It was a great bike.
I have a 2021 and put 14,000 miles on it since buying not used with 700 on it (I rode to home from NJ), including a backroads ride between Florida and Michigan (3,000 miles or so). I've put risers and backs on the bars and it now fits like a glove (I had an R1200R prior that I put 26,000 miles on if I remember correctly, including an 11,000 count around the USA and Canada). I rode the RS and too far forward and the fairing caused way too much wind noise. My favorite bike ever is this R (I've had a GS, RT, a ST3 Ducati, ST800 BMW, and a 310 GS BMW). I think I heard you mention the ESA doesn't control the front shock. Maybe I heard that wrong, but mine does. Also, the ESA chips were unavailable after the factory in Germany flooded. I was lucky enough to get a model equipped with such. No heated seats or LED headlight on mine though. Love it!
I have been riding bikes since 1979 (Suzuki GSX750R, Triumph Bonneville, Ducati Darmah plus a few othes). I have this bike (TE version) since 2021, and it is the best.
the v100 sounds better but isnt a genuine competitor when going for a scratch on the weekend... the amazing torque delivery and traction control/ ABS allow you to destroy most sport bikes on a twisty canyon road... the only thing that will hold you back is the max lean angle I seem to be able to get is around 52 degrees before dragging pegs (which is dangerously close to dragging cylinder heads)... yes my cylinder head covers (think 4mm thick delron aftermarket sliders that fit over the cylinder heads) have minor scratches from heavy lean angles.. but that was after a track day when I hit just over 53 degrees.
I have this bike as well as a GS. I agree with you on the comfort and i think it's the seat. It's nowhere as nice as the one on the GS. Also the right cylinder throws off more heat. You review is spot on in every respect....as always!!!
Like I posted on other channels, sold my 2021 R1250R and still consider this the most stupid decision ever, I miss that bike SO much. Trying to wait for a R1300R but there's no doubt I'll rebuy one in the future.
Same me, a wonderful black one, regretted it already short time after selling 😅 so stupid, now ride a 1200 GS (2012) but still miss that classic style and special feeling of driving such powerful roadster - still pure love 🥰
Evans Brafield - wow! I had no idea that he passed away from a road accident. This is indeed very sad news. I heart goes out to his wife and two daughters and his entire family in general.
Coming from a Superduke v3, I switched to the RS in April because I was looking for a bit more comfort and protection while not loosing too much in sportiness. After 14000 km and a few longer rides I confirm my first impression which was really positive. I love its torque and smoothness and eventually I’m not missing the Beast, not too much 😉✌️
I loved my R1250R for about 2.5 years and 12,000 miles - I took it both on track days and green lanes! (I have a playlist on my channel if anyone is interested) Very versatile machine with a lovely large amount of torque to play with. If shaft drive is your preference then I think it's the only shaft drive naked on the market (aside from other BMWs). Heavy and not the quickest steering but very stable in the bends. Wish I still had mine!
I have the R1250RS, which is pretty close to this bike. One of the things you said, I find myself saying regularly, which is how wonderful the shiftcam engine is. Superb engineering!
I bought R1250 R back in the spring here in Prescott Valley,AZ. Loved it so much that I sold my F850 GSA and bought an R1250 GS as well. But I find for local half-day to day long rides I always tend to go to the R. Even did an overnight trip to Lake Havasu City and then up to Oatman, Kingman, Seligman, Ash Fork (on old Route 66) and back home several weeks back. I will not hesitate to ride it on 1-3 night trips. But for extended trips and moto-camping, it is the GS.
Very nice job. I am not rich but I am old. (67) I want this bike bad. Its like you said, "expensive". Its interesting that you compare it to an FTR because that's what I got in 2019. Now like it a lot more since I put Continental trail attack tires on it. Was Like buying a new bike. Price for performance ratio had to be included in my purchase but not choice. Give me a triple black loaded and that can be my final purchase.
In Germany for the Autobahn a little more heft is desired for secure high-speed handling. I’ve got my GS now, but still have my old ‘02 1150R and it’s fun to rip around. I rode it daily for work commute and to meetings in LA to get through traffic! I always have the top case - and for touring the side panniers. It also has a small clear windshield. And it is happy on fire roads!! The 1250R with that ~140hp is awesome! Great BMW bike! 👌🏽
The R 1250R is the gentleman’s express of naked bikes. You get big power, tons of character, unbelievable roll on acceleration, and top quality. Expensive? Yes, but you get what you pay for. This is a very rewarding ride. But the low seat and forward riding position makes this bike unsuitable for anyone over 5’10”, except for short rides. If you are taller stick with BMW’s other models.
First time on this channel. I really liked this review. You’re very respectful to your viewers by ensuring good angles, translating to metric system (I’m from Ireland). Also, excellent demos of acceleration/deceleration- something I haven’t seen much in other reviews. Thank you!
Kudos for that gear check. I might of missed previous reviews, but I like this nice touch. Also, looking far to the horizon during the toddler meltdown? My laugh of the day. :) So sorry for the loss of Mr Brasfield.
I run a fully specced RT which goes amazingly well for a tourer. I’d like to ride the R I can imagine it’s awesome considering the weight saving. Thanks Ian 👍
If you're on a budget find a nice R1200R (K27 model). You get ESA, ABS, traction control, heated grips, and as a bonus, telelever suspension like in GS. Plus it's air cooled and bombproof. A great alternative to a GS if you want something smaller, more discreet or you're just short like me 😜
This is the bike that many GS prospects should consider. Mine has all the options and use it hit everything. With the BMW luggage and a screen it is an incredible touring bike. BTW the bikes with ESA have electronic damping on both front and rear suspension. Great all rounder.
I had a demo ride on R1200R when it was first available in UK - OMG! It was nice (I had Honda Hornet 600cc at that time)! Now,.. for a few year I own R1200RS - and for the longer tours around Europe - AMAZING tool! Nice review! All the best!
What an awesome video and review, thanks for making it! Have an RT and thinking of buying an R as a play toy for in the city and quick local rides. Super helpful!
The RS is the other boxer without a Telelever front suspension but ESA is available for it. As for sportiness... the R (and RS) accelerate faster than a Superduke 1290, MT-10, Panigale V4, etc. The 1250's torque is something people often underestimate.
I just had my 600 mile break in service completed on my 2023 1250 GS, and being able now to use all the throttle was a real eye opening oh shit moment. The bike requires my attention and respect now when I twist the right grip, stuff starts happening way too fast. I looked at these, but at 6'5", the seating triangle to footpegs was way, way too tight. This bike is a short riders dream.
I’m 5’11, 200pounds, and the bike is one of the most comfortable I’ve ridden. 6-8 hour rides, no issues. Very wind friendly and it’s weight is awesome for windy, rainy highways. Makes it super stable. And it’s nimble. I´ll like the hill climb when I can figure out how to cancel it in a flash… Why? In case someone backs up in front of me. Love this bike.
Great review. I have the '16 R1200R. Have to agree that it's a bit of a wolf in sheep's clothing. The power and handling continue to surprise me. I love the word "composed." I think that's exactly right. Also agree about the comfort. I'm 5'8 but have long legs. I find it to be pretty cramped after a while, and the seat isn't great. Thanks for making this! Love your channel.
Had a 2011 and it remains the best performing bike I’ve ever had, combined with big torque and factory hard luggage. Put 18k miles on it in a year and as much as I enjoyed the performance, I couldn’t wait to sell it. Just too uncomfortable for me. I have to ride a long way to get to curves. Looks like the new R12 cruiser might fix the most of the comfort issue on a “naked” boxer.
I too am anxiously waiting to see the new engine roll out to the other models. I noticed BMW no longer offers the R with ESA…I hope they bring it back with the 1300 model. I love the thought of effectively having two bikes in one.
Thanks for another interesting and informative review. I think the forward stance helps one to bear the force of the wind on naked bikes. I don't really see the point in backlit switch gear, as you soon get to know where the switches are if it's your own bike.
I have the RnineT Scrambler....feel it has more personality than the 1250R....I guess if you want the naked bike I get it....the engine is great in either bike. As you said personal preference. - As always nice job!!!
Great review Ian as always, I put 30,000 miles on one of these here in the UK, it's shockingly good fun and it's very capable! 0-60mph there are few bikes quicker as it's so easy to achieve! It will be interesting if BMW put the new 1300cc engine into it! I do agree on the seating position and the leg room is a touch tight, I'm 6 feet tall. On mine I also had a largish screen which I could remove in five mins and also full BMW luggage and tank bag, it was a mighty adept/ fun touring machine! Using UK gallons I could easy get 55-60 mpg, amazing really.
Im in my 30's. I take the bike out on the weekends for a solid blat but I also commute on it daily. When I purchased the R1250r sport (more sporty than the standard R) with ESA... I tried the Aprilia Tuono, KTM Superduke and the Ducati V2 & V4 streetfighters.. the two best street motors were the BMW and KTM by a lond shot... although it was down to the BMW and V2 when it came to putting my money down (noting I have been a KTM guy for the last 16 years). What won me over was the torque delivery, quick handling and change of direction, zero chain maintenance and its all weather capability (I ride rain hail shine and all through winter).. so heated grips, seat cruise control and seat makes a massive difference for everyday use. The other part that won me over was the pillion facilities... none of the others were great with a pillion (to the point where my wife refused to ride on the ducati's and KTM for more than 10-15 mins)... and with the ESA it auto levels out the rear end to compensate for the extra weight... truly incredible. The only downside of the bike is the sound (boxxers are not inspiring compared to V4's or V2's) and lack of ground clearance... I have removed the centre stand (touched down at 48 degree lean angle) and all the luggage mounts (old man bits) and can lean the bike to a maximum of 52 degrees before things are touching... I have done a few track days (I dont do them as much these days as I tend to do supermoto racing on go-kart tracks now).. you do have to work a bit harder to keep the bike from dragging but not more than I did for the Ducati Hypermotard 1100 that I used to own and has more clearance than a Ducati Monster. The R1250r Sport is my favourite bike second to my old KTM 990 Superduke (extensively modified but no where near as practical). I'll have to get another Ducati or KTM twin soon but they will be for weekend or track days only (and TBH I wouldnt be any faster on the road with them.. its more just the sound that they make that I miss).
I made the mistake of borrowing my friend's R1250R equipped with all the options. A week later I owned one. This is one hell of a bike. Never been a boxer fan, but this bike changed my mind. Super fun in the twisties, amazing torque and all day comfortable for long rides. Might need a screen if you regularly ride faster than 160km/h for extended periods.
Thanks for the review. I'm a GS rider and test rode a 1250R in the summer. The main differences between them were cost, comfort and ease of use at low speed. The GS is way more expensive, but it's far more comfortable to ride over long distances - I didn't appreciate how good the wind protection was on the GS until I rode the R. Yes I know it's a naked bike but I was surprised just how tiring I found it was to ride at speed for any length if time even with the BMW sports screen fitted. The plus bits for the R were it's so much easier to ride at low speed and filter on and the throttle response is far more "connected" because both the R and RS have slightly lower gearing than the GS has making roll on roll off overtakes so easy. I wanted to like the R as I had a R1150R 20 years ago and loved that but I hate the front light - to me it looks like it was designed in isolation to the rest of the bike. In the end I ordered a 1250RS instead, it's close to the R in many ways plus it has that half fairing which offers better protection and with a MRA Vario screen the wind protection is good too and costcwise it offers a huge saving compared to a similar spec'd GS. The GS is great for 2 up touring but if you don't carry a pillion the other 2 offer better riding experiences for a solo rider IMO.
Nice review! I got my license 2 months ago, and immediately stumbled upon (and bought) a 2012 R1200R. I can only compare to the Honda CB650 that I rode at the driving school, so very limited experience. But yes, even my older R1200R will pull my arms out of their sockets. Never have I ever felt a lack of oomph when I needed it. Even with all that power, the bike feels very composed. A real gentleman's bike, if there is such a thing :)
Brings me back to my days with my 1995 R1100R which I traded two years later for a 1995 GS mostly because I found the riding position much more comfortable for long distance travel. Back in those days they basically used the same frame just different suspension travel and bolt on accessories.
It's almost funny how Ryan F9 panned the boxer in his engine options comparison as it's been popular for almost 100 years and has proven reliability. There's something about the piston dynamics at speed that is relaxing for long slogs - perhaps it's the harmonics at above 3000 RPM? No boxer will match an inline 4 or V4 for raw power but really, do you need 170 hp unless you're on the track? And even then, it's a small universe of riders who can handle that amount of power. I had a 1996 R1100RSL in beautiful Dakar Yellow and even with bar backs it had a forward lean. Miss that bike.
Greta review! I have a 2020 R1250R with 40k miles and ESA. A Sargent seat, bar risers and V-Stream sport shield addresses most of your concerns. A Remus exhaust to replace the ugly standard exhaust and you are good to go. Great and fun bike.
Great review as always. As a result of the information of your review I just purchased a new 23 R1250 R.. I also owned a 22 Yamaha Tracer and a 20 Triumph 1200 Speed Twin. The Triumph ST is one of my favorite motorcycles to ride. However, the R1250 R has a lot going for it. BMW did a great job on the R1250 R. You can't beat the cruise control, shaft drive, heated seats and grips, right down to the michelin road 5's. I just recently did a 500 mile trip into Vermont and found the R to be pretty comfortable for a naked roadster. The game change was adding a Puig NG Touring Screen . For the price point you can't beat it.
Like someone else mentioned earlier, I replaced a Super Duke version 3 with this bike. Before anyone laughs at the comparison... TORQUE! The SDR was comfortable and has that incredible grunt, while still getting good mileage. But, other than a bit more legroom on the SDR, this is just as comfortable and it has just as much or more torque. In fact it has more torque than any competitor, unless you think of the Triumph Rocket as a competitor. It has many more features than the SDR, like ESA, heated seats and grips, shaft drive, etc. What it also has is much more refinement and a lower price than the SDR. It just feels more well made and cohesive. Everyone who rides one says the same thing... it's so easy to ride, yet it goes like stink :)
I have a Moto Guzzi V7. Then I bought a new Ducati Multistrada 950. I returned the bike back to the dealer as I hated it. Uncomfortable seat, high center of gravity, no bottom torque, sounded like a bag full of rusty nails. Comfortable seat for the passanger, but thats about it. Then I bought this R1250R and my love for motorcycles came back to me. I have crossed half a Europe on it and couldnt be happier!
The difference of say even 40 kg between weight of bikes is reduced to not that very significant when adding weight of rider, and weight of fuel (they always quote dry weight).
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A good review! I've had the previous model since 2015, (nearly 9 years) the R1200R. I was tempted with the shiftcam 1250 when it appeared but, to be honest, I find the 125 BHP from mine still gives me all I want, it's an amazing machine ..... I love it. I heard you mention you have an MT09 ......... another amazing machine! I've got the black and gold XSR 900 (2020) so I know where you're coming from. Aren't we lucky fellows 😊
To add another point, why _isn't_ this a sports bike? Just like any bike could be considered a sport tourer if it can be equipped to and toured with and ridden in a sporty fashion -- couldn't any bike that's fast, accelerates and deaccelerates quickly, and be ridden in a sporty fashion also be a sports bike? Does the definition hinge solely on lean angle (the R's is over 45 degrees)? Is there an unyielding weight limit, or is the commonly accepted threshold a consensus based on maneuverability (if that's the case, it's often the rider that's the limit and not the bike)? If we categorize the GS as a heavyweight adv bike and the RS as a heavyweight sport tourer, what prevents the R from earning its stripes as a heavyweight sport? Could it be that the criteria extend beyond numbers and statistics, incorporating things like body position and weight distribution? Poke the boundaries of the sports bike archetype, recognizing that the R1250R, with its startling performance and dynamic capabilities, might just redefine the notion of what constitutes a heavyweight sport bike.
My R1200R 2015 is awesome! I can do both local and long trips around Europe. It’s a cool naked bike that can also do touring - few bikes can do this so it was an obvious choice for me when I got it. I wish it had more wind protection, especially when I ride below 10 degrees Celsius but I am considering adding some wind protection like hand guards for the colder seasons. I’m curious how the R1300R will come out. About the engine heat, I only feel it occasionally on my model.
I have the sport windscreen from BMW and also a larger one from Wunderlich with an extra small screen on top (bc. of buffeting). Still, my hands are kind of cold, so I need to fix that as well. @@jazpore1
I have this bike (2021), not design as above, also TE version (trimmings), 4th year of riding. Been riding bikes since 1979. If you like naked bikes, and shifting along the twisties on public roads, get it. It just pulls and pulls. Machine between your legs which just pulls. Performance almost identical to litre sports bikes (0-60 mph 3.0s, acceleration times, which I can vouchsafe). Superb handling, very stable on the road. Relaxed ride, but again, just pulls. Only complaint is it is a bugger to start in cold weather. Also a personal thing, I do not like the TFT screen, miss clocks. Very good fuel consumption 60-65 mpg, (range 250 miles) and cheap to service (as bikes go). My last insurance was £207 for the year fully comp.
Nice work, it's a pretty accurate review. l've had mine for nearly three and a half years and l've done about 40,000 km's on it, here in Australia they're imported fully optioned so the only real difference is your choice of color and an Akrapovic muffle fitted as standard on the sports model. The standard seat isn't great but a sheepskin cover makes an an enormous difference and the riding position is fine for a 580 km ride l do regularly. Riding at 110 - 115 kph it'll do at least 350 km's on a tank of fuel. Ride modes have changed on the 23 models, dynamic pro appears to have been dropped for the economy mode. Road mode is the best for a long ride, dynamic makes the suspension a bit to firm and there is a significant difference in power output between road and dynamic pro modes. There's nothing to really compare them to and they're on the expensive side but they're also BMW quality.
Did you ever hit the traction control button by mistake? How does the riding position compare to your MT-09 (same, more aggressive). Since you use Maggie as a passenger reference, how tall is she? Another great video.
I have a ‘19 R9T and demo’ed a R1250R looking for something a bit more comfortable. Was shocked that it wasn’t really any more comfortable than my R9t, and the R9T is a better looking bike. Funny, the sales guy said I may as well just give in and get a GS, saying that’s what I’ll eventually wind up on.
Hello Ian, great review of the 1250R! Interestingly, in Europe, the R1250R is available with DDC. I wonder what the reason behind this availability difference might be.
A minor quibble. The weight difference between the R and RS is less than 10lbs. If you opt for the tubular bars on the RS instead of the cast ones, you save a couple of lbs (the regular RS bars are stupid heavy). Regardless, very nice review. I've had a 2020 RS for 3 years and 14k miles. It's excellent. Almost forgot, a reputable dealer told me the lack of ESA on the R was a marketing decision. He could be wrong but it seems stupid if so.
great detailed and informative review. I have a 2016 R1200R and can't fault it . i get that BMW ran into a part shortage and that thay chose to not inlcude ESA , but no adjustability for the front fork at this price range is unacceptable .
Cool unique bike. Surprised we didn't hear more wind blast on your mic and also interesting to see the lack of front end dive on hard braking given the lack of the telelever. Would be curious to see real world weight of that bike compared to real world weight of GS or RT.
Also to me as an owner the main draw back is the lack of turn-in in decreasing radius corners . The bike has a tendency to run a bit wide i think due to its long rake angle ( 27.7 degrees i believe ) but at least it is very stable .
Eco mode locks out the shift cam into the Torque cam only, with no use of the Horsepower or racing cam. The horsepower cam has so much lift and duration that your MPG goes to hell in a hand basket, and sucks fuel like crazy above 4250 rpm. Using the horsepower cam a lot will cause your valves to definitely need to be re shimmed, sooner, rather than later, a very expensive service at the BMW dealership. You wanna go fast and play, you gotta pay. Services on these bikes are not cheap and require some specialized tools and parts, to measure and shim the valve tappet clearances. Not quite Ducati expensive, but pretty close.
Nice and detailed review Ian. Enjoyed. I rode both. The RS and R and to be honest... both are great, but the R felt quite a bit more comfortable than the RS. :) To me this one was very comfortable and I am 6ft 1. :) Anways I would go for the sport seat.
FYI; My 2016 R1200 R (LC, k53) has ESA and the front forks are gold coloured and electronically adjusted through wire on the top at the left tube. I bet the R1250 R has it also. Just like the RS it's indeed regular suspension forks unlike the RT and GS.
You made a mistake. Dynamic option on this bike has electronics on front forks. Great review. I just bought r1200r. Much lighter but bit less power. Both much underrated bikes.
I really like this bike, and one thing BMW does very well is enable most of their bikes to be semi-touring capable by virtue of offering factory luggage options on most models as well as offering so many creature comforts typically only seen on ADV or other touring bikes. My only nitpick about the latest model year of the R model is it seems BMW has taken their ESA option away and yet…maintained a similar price point when spec’d out? Otherwise, I’d likely consider one as an upgrade over my current F900R. I love the naked body style, but being a BMW with factory saddlebags and heck, even shaft drive, I could easily see myself touring long distances on this. Hah, I do that now on my F900R 😅
Tragic news about Evans. This is the first I've heard of it even though the accident occurred back in September. Does anyone know if the hit and run driver will face any charges?
Having owned several Ducati models (2V and 4V), Airheads, G's, Oilheads, from my viewpoint the natural competitor to the R1250 would be one of the Ducati models (or the Super Duke). In the end, I've always liked Ducati more. Lighter, better handling, smoother engine (yes, smoother), a more thrilling top end. And, until lately, no comparison in style.
Not nice seeing a cold engine (with the variable redline showing 5,500 rpms) being revved to 8,000 revs....and it looks like you are riding with high beam on which just pisses people off.
Ian, you should have put your whole family on this motorcycle. What a great video it would make. Was this video filmed at your new home? I miss the amazing views. Good luck, stay safe. Christopher
I’ve got a 2016 RT and find myself sometimes thinking how fun an R would be here in North Carolina, particularly when it gets hot out and the RT’s wind protection works against it. But it’s hard to justify having both.
I had a 2008 RT and live in NC. Beautiful bike for touring in cool weather. I noticed that I was not riding it in late Spring and Summer weather because it was just too hot. I kept my 1200 GS and sold the RT.
Ian, the availability of ESA on the 2023 R1250R is something worthy of further inquiry. It appears that ESA is not available for USA bikes, but a look at BMWs international site shows it is still available elsewhere. It was available on 2022 and all previous model years. Also, the ESA worked on both front and rear even though the front has conventional forks. As a previous poster pointed out, it is still available on the conventional forks of the RS model. I think it's a disappointing omission by BMW on their otherwise updated 2023 model. It would be nice to get to the bottom of this.
This video is dedicated in memory of Evans Brasfield, longtime journalist and recent Editor of Motorcycle.com, who tragically passed away in an accident recently. He was a respected journalist and a friend to many. RIP Evans.
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I think it is too expensive.
Incredibly sad and unexpected news about Evans. We are all vulnerable out there.
I have a R1250R, and I think this is pretty accurate review.
It's a pity that Ian didn't have the ESA option. It's one of the best options IMO. ESA is easy to change, when riding. It makes a noticeable difference between comfort and handling.
I think I can explain the difference in heat between the left and right. If you look down from the riding position, you will notice the cylinders are offset and inch or two. The right cylinder is closer to your foot.
I really like this bike. It's so effortless to ride.
It's a very nice gesture to dedicate this video to the memory of Evans Brasfield. He was one of my favorite journalists, and definitely one of the best in the industry. May he ride forever in eternal peace. I'm not a BMW fan, but the R1250R looks like it could be a lot of fun. Kind of expensive for what you get though--which can be said of most bikes these days, I reckon.
It's a bmw. It's inherently expensive because it wears the BMW badging.
Nice to see the R series getting its due. From 1994 to 2021, I have owned, the 850, 1200 and the 1250 R. It was considered the hooligan bike for gentleman, having tremendous torque and refined manners. For long hauls I did find the acute knee angle and the slightly forward bend of the upper body to cause me to fatigue. I did have a Wind screen to make it more comfortable for tours. In 2021 I bought a triple black GS. I was amazed how comfortable it was allowing me to ride hours and also ,although being heavier, was so easy to handle once underway. If you are considering a bike just for the weekend jaunts, go for the R;however , for long rides or some off-road, not the best choice. Nonetheless, I always loved my Roadster and is a great bike. Thank you for looking at this bike , it is not a retro, or naked but something else….a Roadster! Greetings, Jim
I used to have a 2004 1150R Rockster edition. It was a great tourer. Put some BMW side cases, a luggage rack, 1" bar risers, small windshield and hand deflectors. It was a great bike.
I have a 2021 and put 14,000 miles on it since buying not used with 700 on it (I rode to home from NJ), including a backroads ride between Florida and Michigan (3,000 miles or so). I've put risers and backs on the bars and it now fits like a glove (I had an R1200R prior that I put 26,000 miles on if I remember correctly, including an 11,000 count around the USA and Canada). I rode the RS and too far forward and the fairing caused way too much wind noise. My favorite bike ever is this R (I've had a GS, RT, a ST3 Ducati, ST800 BMW, and a 310 GS BMW).
I think I heard you mention the ESA doesn't control the front shock. Maybe I heard that wrong, but mine does. Also, the ESA chips were unavailable after the factory in Germany flooded. I was lucky enough to get a model equipped with such. No heated seats or LED headlight on mine though.
Love it!
Bought my R1250R new in 2020 and it remains the best bike (of a dozen) that I’ve ever owned.
I have been riding bikes since 1979 (Suzuki GSX750R, Triumph Bonneville, Ducati Darmah plus a few othes). I have this bike (TE version) since 2021, and it is the best.
Underrated bike. I'd put this in about the same category as the V100 Mandello, not hard edged, but not a slouch either.
the v100 sounds better but isnt a genuine competitor when going for a scratch on the weekend... the amazing torque delivery and traction control/ ABS allow you to destroy most sport bikes on a twisty canyon road... the only thing that will hold you back is the max lean angle I seem to be able to get is around 52 degrees before dragging pegs (which is dangerously close to dragging cylinder heads)... yes my cylinder head covers (think 4mm thick delron aftermarket sliders that fit over the cylinder heads) have minor scratches from heavy lean angles.. but that was after a track day when I hit just over 53 degrees.
I have this bike as well as a GS. I agree with you on the comfort and i think it's the seat. It's nowhere as nice as the one on the GS. Also the right cylinder throws off more heat. You review is spot on in every respect....as always!!!
Like I posted on other channels, sold my 2021 R1250R and still consider this the most stupid decision ever, I miss that bike SO much. Trying to wait for a R1300R but there's no doubt I'll rebuy one in the future.
Same me, a wonderful black one, regretted it already short time after selling 😅 so stupid, now ride a 1200 GS (2012) but still miss that classic style and special
feeling of driving such powerful roadster - still pure love 🥰
Love my 23 RS
Sold my R1250RT. Kick myself daily.
I'm missing my R1200R that I rode for 14 years and during a period of insanity I traded it on a Moto Guzzi v7 850 Special!
@@ronaldthomas9396how does the moto guzzi’s balance and riding experience compare?? Ty
Evans Brafield - wow! I had no idea that he passed away from a road accident. This is indeed very sad news. I heart goes out to his wife and two daughters and his entire family in general.
Coming from a Superduke v3, I switched to the RS in April because I was looking for a bit more comfort and protection while not loosing too much in sportiness. After 14000 km and a few longer rides I confirm my first impression which was really positive. I love its torque and smoothness and eventually I’m not missing the Beast, not too much 😉✌️
its just the sounds that I miss from my Superduke... had Termi Exhaust from a ducati 998 and a motohooligan air box... incredible sound.
I loved my R1250R for about 2.5 years and 12,000 miles - I took it both on track days and green lanes! (I have a playlist on my channel if anyone is interested) Very versatile machine with a lovely large amount of torque to play with. If shaft drive is your preference then I think it's the only shaft drive naked on the market (aside from other BMWs). Heavy and not the quickest steering but very stable in the bends. Wish I still had mine!
From several comments, everyone seems to sell this bike😂
@@forestmotoadventures I didn't sell mine, I crashed it 😣
@@RikkyTang oh no! 😥 I’m sorry Rikky
I have had one since May 19 --great bike for touring with a half fairing and better handing then a GS.;-)
Thank you for pointing out that changing rider modes changes throttle response, not power output. Seems a lot of people are confused about that.
I have the R1250RS, which is pretty close to this bike. One of the things you said, I find myself saying regularly, which is how wonderful the shiftcam engine is. Superb engineering!
I bought R1250 R back in the spring here in Prescott Valley,AZ. Loved it so much that I sold my F850 GSA and bought an R1250 GS as well. But I find for local half-day to day long rides I always tend to go to the R. Even did an overnight trip to Lake Havasu City and then up to Oatman, Kingman, Seligman, Ash Fork (on old Route 66) and back home several weeks back. I will not hesitate to ride it on 1-3 night trips. But for extended trips and moto-camping, it is the GS.
I love the drive through Prescott Valley, only in a car, but still lovely, Jerome, Sedona, Williams…AZ my fav 🇺🇸❤️🏴
Very nice job. I am not rich but I am old. (67) I want this bike bad. Its like you said, "expensive". Its interesting that you compare it to an FTR because that's what I got in 2019. Now like it a lot more since I put Continental trail attack tires on it. Was Like buying a new bike. Price for performance ratio had to be included in my purchase but not choice. Give me a triple black loaded and that can be my final purchase.
In Germany for the Autobahn a little more heft is desired for secure high-speed handling. I’ve got my GS now, but still have my old ‘02 1150R and it’s fun to rip around. I rode it daily for work commute and to meetings in LA to get through traffic! I always have the top case - and for touring the side panniers. It also has a small clear windshield. And it is happy on fire roads!! The 1250R with that ~140hp is awesome! Great BMW bike! 👌🏽
I live in Denmark and looking at this bike. Is this not suitable for the Autobahn?
One does not buy this bike for autobahns. It is a waste of what it has to offer. There are better bikes for long distance straight road performance.
The R 1250R is the gentleman’s express of naked bikes. You get big power, tons of character, unbelievable roll on acceleration, and top quality. Expensive? Yes, but you get what you pay for. This is a very rewarding ride. But the low seat and forward riding position makes this bike unsuitable for anyone over 5’10”, except for short rides. If you are taller stick with BMW’s other models.
I’m 6’1” and my 1150R was always fine on 500 mile rides to NorCal. Stretch every couple hours for gas, no problem.
First time on this channel. I really liked this review. You’re very respectful to your viewers by ensuring good angles, translating to metric system (I’m from Ireland). Also, excellent demos of acceleration/deceleration- something I haven’t seen much in other reviews. Thank you!
Kudos for that gear check. I might of missed previous reviews, but I like this nice touch. Also, looking far to the horizon during the toddler meltdown? My laugh of the day. :)
So sorry for the loss of Mr Brasfield.
I had an R1200R and still regret selling it. It was a great bike for day riding and commuting.
The ONLY street bike I've ever seen/heard that's caught my eye.
I run a fully specced RT which goes amazingly well for a tourer. I’d like to ride the R I can imagine it’s awesome considering the weight saving. Thanks Ian 👍
If you're on a budget find a nice R1200R (K27 model). You get ESA, ABS, traction control, heated grips, and as a bonus, telelever suspension like in GS. Plus it's air cooled and bombproof. A great alternative to a GS if you want something smaller, more discreet or you're just short like me 😜
"A toddler meltdown."
LOL. Yep, we've all had those, Ian! 😄
This is the bike that many GS prospects should consider.
Mine has all the options and use it hit everything.
With the BMW luggage and a screen it is an incredible touring bike.
BTW the bikes with ESA have electronic damping on both front and rear suspension.
Great all rounder.
Nice!
I had a demo ride on R1200R when it was first available in UK - OMG! It was nice (I had Honda Hornet 600cc at that time)! Now,.. for a few year I own R1200RS - and for the longer tours around Europe - AMAZING tool! Nice review! All the best!
I have this bike, I've had many bikes and this is my favorite. So much fun!
What an awesome video and review, thanks for making it! Have an RT and thinking of buying an R as a play toy for in the city and quick local rides. Super helpful!
The same, been riding since 1979. Have the 2021 version (TE).
The RS is the other boxer without a Telelever front suspension but ESA is available for it. As for sportiness... the R (and RS) accelerate faster than a Superduke 1290, MT-10, Panigale V4, etc. The 1250's torque is something people often underestimate.
I just had my 600 mile break in service completed on my 2023 1250 GS, and being able now to use all the throttle was a real eye opening oh shit moment. The bike requires my attention and respect now when I twist the right grip, stuff starts happening way too fast. I looked at these, but at 6'5", the seating triangle to footpegs was way, way too tight. This bike is a short riders dream.
@@feloniousmonk3049 I'm 6'4". This and most other bikes are too small as well.
@@Pyrrho_ I am 6'3" with the 840mm sport seat and have no issue with the size
@@GDM22 I have the sport seat on my RS and with a set of Hella bar risers, am satisfied.
I’m 5’11, 200pounds, and the bike is one of the most comfortable I’ve ridden. 6-8 hour rides, no issues. Very wind friendly and it’s weight is awesome for windy, rainy highways. Makes it super stable. And it’s nimble.
I´ll like the hill climb when I can figure out how to cancel it in a flash… Why? In case someone backs up in front of me.
Love this bike.
Great review. I have the '16 R1200R. Have to agree that it's a bit of a wolf in sheep's clothing. The power and handling continue to surprise me. I love the word "composed." I think that's exactly right. Also agree about the comfort. I'm 5'8 but have long legs. I find it to be pretty cramped after a while, and the seat isn't great. Thanks for making this! Love your channel.
Had a 2011 and it remains the best performing bike I’ve ever had, combined with big torque and factory hard luggage. Put 18k miles on it in a year and as much as I enjoyed the performance, I couldn’t wait to sell it. Just too uncomfortable for me. I have to ride a long way to get to curves. Looks like the new R12 cruiser might fix the most of the comfort issue on a “naked” boxer.
I have the R1250R, aka the "torque monster"...and can't wait for the R1300R!
I too am anxiously waiting to see the new engine roll out to the other models. I noticed BMW no longer offers the R with ESA…I hope they bring it back with the 1300 model. I love the thought of effectively having two bikes in one.
Thanks for another interesting and informative review. I think the forward stance helps one to bear the force of the wind on naked bikes.
I don't really see the point in backlit switch gear, as you soon get to know where the switches are if it's your own bike.
I have the RnineT Scrambler....feel it has more personality than the 1250R....I guess if you want the naked bike I get it....the engine is great in either bike. As you said personal preference. - As always nice job!!!
Great review Ian as always, I put 30,000 miles on one of these here in the UK, it's shockingly good fun and it's very capable! 0-60mph there are few bikes quicker as it's so easy to achieve! It will be interesting if BMW put the new 1300cc engine into it! I do agree on the seating position and the leg room is a touch tight, I'm 6 feet tall. On mine I also had a largish screen which I could remove in five mins and also full BMW luggage and tank bag, it was a mighty adept/ fun touring machine! Using UK gallons I could easy get 55-60 mpg, amazing really.
Im in my 30's. I take the bike out on the weekends for a solid blat but I also commute on it daily.
When I purchased the R1250r sport (more sporty than the standard R) with ESA... I tried the Aprilia Tuono, KTM Superduke and the Ducati V2 & V4 streetfighters.. the two best street motors were the BMW and KTM by a lond shot... although it was down to the BMW and V2 when it came to putting my money down (noting I have been a KTM guy for the last 16 years).
What won me over was the torque delivery, quick handling and change of direction, zero chain maintenance and its all weather capability (I ride rain hail shine and all through winter).. so heated grips, seat cruise control and seat makes a massive difference for everyday use.
The other part that won me over was the pillion facilities... none of the others were great with a pillion (to the point where my wife refused to ride on the ducati's and KTM for more than 10-15 mins)... and with the ESA it auto levels out the rear end to compensate for the extra weight... truly incredible.
The only downside of the bike is the sound (boxxers are not inspiring compared to V4's or V2's) and lack of ground clearance... I have removed the centre stand (touched down at 48 degree lean angle) and all the luggage mounts (old man bits) and can lean the bike to a maximum of 52 degrees before things are touching... I have done a few track days (I dont do them as much these days as I tend to do supermoto racing on go-kart tracks now).. you do have to work a bit harder to keep the bike from dragging but not more than I did for the Ducati Hypermotard 1100 that I used to own and has more clearance than a Ducati Monster.
The R1250r Sport is my favourite bike second to my old KTM 990 Superduke (extensively modified but no where near as practical). I'll have to get another Ducati or KTM twin soon but they will be for weekend or track days only (and TBH I wouldnt be any faster on the road with them.. its more just the sound that they make that I miss).
I made the mistake of borrowing my friend's R1250R equipped with all the options. A week later I owned one. This is one hell of a bike. Never been a boxer fan, but this bike changed my mind. Super fun in the twisties, amazing torque and all day comfortable for long rides. Might need a screen if you regularly ride faster than 160km/h for extended periods.
Thanks for the review. I'm a GS rider and test rode a 1250R in the summer. The main differences between them were cost, comfort and ease of use at low speed. The GS is way more expensive, but it's far more comfortable to ride over long distances - I didn't appreciate how good the wind protection was on the GS until I rode the R. Yes I know it's a naked bike but I was surprised just how tiring I found it was to ride at speed for any length if time even with the BMW sports screen fitted. The plus bits for the R were it's so much easier to ride at low speed and filter on and the throttle response is far more "connected" because both the R and RS have slightly lower gearing than the GS has making roll on roll off overtakes so easy. I wanted to like the R as I had a R1150R 20 years ago and loved that but I hate the front light - to me it looks like it was designed in isolation to the rest of the bike. In the end I ordered a 1250RS instead, it's close to the R in many ways plus it has that half fairing which offers better protection and with a MRA Vario screen the wind protection is good too and costcwise it offers a huge saving compared to a similar spec'd GS. The GS is great for 2 up touring but if you don't carry a pillion the other 2 offer better riding experiences for a solo rider IMO.
Nice review! I got my license 2 months ago, and immediately stumbled upon (and bought) a 2012 R1200R. I can only compare to the Honda CB650 that I rode at the driving school, so very limited experience. But yes, even my older R1200R will pull my arms out of their sockets. Never have I ever felt a lack of oomph when I needed it. Even with all that power, the bike feels very composed. A real gentleman's bike, if there is such a thing :)
Great looking bike. Shaft drive is amazing, however another downside against chain drive is the inability to change final drive ratios.
I was surprised that the RS is only 9lbs heavier than the R. I've been happy with the RS.
Brings me back to my days with my 1995 R1100R which I traded two years later for a 1995 GS mostly because I found the riding position much more comfortable for long distance travel. Back in those days they basically used the same frame just different suspension travel and bolt on accessories.
I went the other way - r1150gs to r1100r 75th anniversary. Loved it.
Very underrated motorcycle. It's an absolute blast to ride.
Agreed, have one. Best bike from 45 years of riding.
It's almost funny how Ryan F9 panned the boxer in his engine options comparison as it's been popular for almost 100 years and has proven reliability. There's something about the piston dynamics at speed that is relaxing for long slogs - perhaps it's the harmonics at above 3000 RPM? No boxer will match an inline 4 or V4 for raw power but really, do you need 170 hp unless you're on the track? And even then, it's a small universe of riders who can handle that amount of power. I had a 1996 R1100RSL in beautiful Dakar Yellow and even with bar backs it had a forward lean. Miss that bike.
Greta review! I have a 2020 R1250R with 40k miles and ESA. A Sargent seat, bar risers and V-Stream sport shield addresses most of your concerns. A Remus exhaust to replace the ugly standard exhaust and you are good to go. Great and fun bike.
Toddler issues...no problem. Great bike if I were to have multiple bikes it would be it!
Great review as always. As a result of the information of your review I just purchased a new 23 R1250 R.. I also owned a 22 Yamaha Tracer and a 20 Triumph 1200 Speed Twin. The Triumph ST is one of my favorite motorcycles to ride. However, the R1250 R has a lot going for it. BMW did a great job on the R1250 R. You can't beat the cruise control, shaft drive, heated seats and grips, right down to the michelin road 5's. I just recently did a 500 mile trip into Vermont and found the R to be pretty comfortable for a naked roadster. The game change was adding a Puig NG Touring Screen . For the price point you can't beat it.
congrats
Like someone else mentioned earlier, I replaced a Super Duke version 3 with this bike. Before anyone laughs at the comparison... TORQUE! The SDR was comfortable and has that incredible grunt, while still getting good mileage. But, other than a bit more legroom on the SDR, this is just as comfortable and it has just as much or more torque. In fact it has more torque than any competitor, unless you think of the Triumph Rocket as a competitor. It has many more features than the SDR, like ESA, heated seats and grips, shaft drive, etc. What it also has is much more refinement and a lower price than the SDR. It just feels more well made and cohesive. Everyone who rides one says the same thing... it's so easy to ride, yet it goes like stink :)
I have a Moto Guzzi V7. Then I bought a new Ducati Multistrada 950. I returned the bike back to the dealer as I hated it. Uncomfortable seat, high center of gravity, no bottom torque, sounded like a bag full of rusty nails. Comfortable seat for the passanger, but thats about it. Then I bought this R1250R and my love for motorcycles came back to me. I have crossed half a Europe on it and couldnt be happier!
Wow man, just amazing. You've said its coming Monday, and here it is. Tnx man, amazing work.
Weight is only a number. It is how it is distributed and handled that matter.
The difference of say even 40 kg between weight of bikes is reduced to not that very significant when adding weight of rider, and weight of fuel (they always quote dry weight).
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Great engine, but I went with the RS. I prefer a windscreen
I have an R. Went with a low sport windscreen from National Cycle. Perfect for me. YMMV.
Excellent review…!!!
A good review! I've had the previous model since 2015, (nearly 9 years) the R1200R. I was tempted with the shiftcam 1250 when it appeared but, to be honest, I find the 125 BHP from mine still gives me all I want, it's an amazing machine ..... I love it. I heard you mention you have an MT09 ......... another amazing machine! I've got the black and gold XSR 900 (2020) so I know where you're coming from. Aren't we lucky fellows 😊
i love the toddler meltdown as i have my own. i think i will include my lil one in my vids and reviews. great job.
To add another point, why _isn't_ this a sports bike? Just like any bike could be considered a sport tourer if it can be equipped to and toured with and ridden in a sporty fashion -- couldn't any bike that's fast, accelerates and deaccelerates quickly, and be ridden in a sporty fashion also be a sports bike? Does the definition hinge solely on lean angle (the R's is over 45 degrees)? Is there an unyielding weight limit, or is the commonly accepted threshold a consensus based on maneuverability (if that's the case, it's often the rider that's the limit and not the bike)?
If we categorize the GS as a heavyweight adv bike and the RS as a heavyweight sport tourer, what prevents the R from earning its stripes as a heavyweight sport? Could it be that the criteria extend beyond numbers and statistics, incorporating things like body position and weight distribution?
Poke the boundaries of the sports bike archetype, recognizing that the R1250R, with its startling performance and dynamic capabilities, might just redefine the notion of what constitutes a heavyweight sport bike.
I don’t like the chrome exhaust.
Change it then lmao
My R1200R 2015 is awesome! I can do both local and long trips around Europe. It’s a cool naked bike that can also do touring - few bikes can do this so it was an obvious choice for me when I got it. I wish it had more wind protection, especially when I ride below 10 degrees Celsius but I am considering adding some wind protection like hand guards for the colder seasons. I’m curious how the R1300R will come out.
About the engine heat, I only feel it occasionally on my model.
I put a small windscreen on my '15 . It helps quite a bit.
I have the sport windscreen from BMW and also a larger one from Wunderlich with an extra small screen on top (bc. of buffeting). Still, my hands are kind of cold, so I need to fix that as well. @@jazpore1
I have this bike (2021), not design as above, also TE version (trimmings), 4th year of riding. Been riding bikes since 1979. If you like naked bikes, and shifting along the twisties on public roads, get it. It just pulls and pulls. Machine between your legs which just pulls. Performance almost identical to litre sports bikes (0-60 mph 3.0s, acceleration times, which I can vouchsafe). Superb handling, very stable on the road. Relaxed ride, but again, just pulls. Only complaint is it is a bugger to start in cold weather. Also a personal thing, I do not like the TFT screen, miss clocks. Very good fuel consumption 60-65 mpg, (range 250 miles) and cheap to service (as bikes go). My last insurance was £207 for the year fully comp.
Now you need to revue the Moto Guzzi V100 Mandello. Very similar bike in a lot of ways, but in my opinion better looking. Love mine!
Rikki Tang! loves his r1250r, and has tons of great vids about it.
Nice work, it's a pretty accurate review.
l've had mine for nearly three and a half years and l've done about 40,000 km's on it, here in Australia they're imported fully optioned so the only real difference is your choice of color and an Akrapovic muffle fitted as standard on the sports model.
The standard seat isn't great but a sheepskin cover makes an an enormous difference and the riding position is fine for a 580 km ride l do regularly.
Riding at 110 - 115 kph it'll do at least 350 km's on a tank of fuel.
Ride modes have changed on the 23 models, dynamic pro appears to have been dropped for the economy mode.
Road mode is the best for a long ride, dynamic makes the suspension a bit to firm and there is a significant difference in power output between road and dynamic pro modes.
There's nothing to really compare them to and they're on the expensive side but they're also BMW quality.
Did you ever hit the traction control button by mistake? How does the riding position compare to your MT-09 (same, more aggressive). Since you use Maggie as a passenger reference, how tall is she?
Another great video.
I have a ‘19 R9T and demo’ed a R1250R looking for something a bit more comfortable. Was shocked that it wasn’t really any more comfortable than my R9t, and the R9T is a better looking bike. Funny, the sales guy said I may as well just give in and get a GS, saying that’s what I’ll eventually wind up on.
Hello Ian, great review of the 1250R! Interestingly, in Europe, the R1250R is available with DDC. I wonder what the reason behind this availability difference might be.
I would love to get your opinion on the R vs. the Moto Guzzi V100 Mandello S. Do you have any plans on reviewing one of these?
Great rundown, including the riding gear. If I had a motorcycle gear barn, I too would probably have "15 or 20" jackets. 😭
A minor quibble. The weight difference between the R and RS is less than 10lbs. If you opt for the tubular bars on the RS instead of the cast ones, you save a couple of lbs (the regular RS bars are stupid heavy). Regardless, very nice review. I've had a 2020 RS for 3 years and 14k miles. It's excellent.
Almost forgot, a reputable dealer told me the lack of ESA on the R was a marketing decision. He could be wrong but it seems stupid if so.
Das Bike ist super, relativ teuer, aber trotzdem sehr wertig. Joachim, Gruss aus Stuttgart.
great detailed and informative review. I have a 2016 R1200R and can't fault it . i get that BMW ran into a part shortage and that thay chose to not inlcude ESA , but no adjustability for the front fork at this price range is unacceptable .
You had me at " Holy Moses "
Cool unique bike. Surprised we didn't hear more wind blast on your mic and also interesting to see the lack of front end dive on hard braking given the lack of the telelever. Would be curious to see real world weight of that bike compared to real world weight of GS or RT.
Wow, first time I hear Mr Big Rock is showing his emotions. So, let's try this bike!
Couldn’t agree more - fantastic bike, the Goldilocks bike for me (I also have a GSA). ESA wasn’t/isn’t available for 23 in the US.
Also to me as an owner the main draw back is the lack of turn-in in decreasing radius corners . The bike has a tendency to run a bit wide i think due to its long rake angle ( 27.7 degrees i believe ) but at least it is very stable .
Eco mode locks out the shift cam into the Torque cam only, with no use of the Horsepower or racing cam. The horsepower cam has so much lift and duration that your MPG goes to hell in a hand basket, and sucks fuel like crazy above 4250 rpm. Using the horsepower cam a lot will cause your valves to definitely need to be re shimmed, sooner, rather than later, a very expensive service at the BMW dealership. You wanna go fast and play, you gotta pay. Services on these bikes are not cheap and require some specialized tools and parts, to measure and shim the valve tappet clearances. Not quite Ducati expensive, but pretty close.
Thank you for the great review!
Nice and detailed review Ian. Enjoyed. I rode both. The RS and R and to be honest... both are great, but the R felt quite a bit more comfortable than the RS. :) To me this one was very comfortable and I am 6ft 1. :) Anways I would go for the sport seat.
FYI; My 2016 R1200 R (LC, k53) has ESA and the front forks are gold coloured and electronically adjusted through wire on the top at the left tube. I bet the R1250 R has it also. Just like the RS it's indeed regular suspension forks unlike the RT and GS.
Very informative. Thank you !!
You made a mistake. Dynamic option on this bike has electronics on front forks. Great review. I just bought r1200r. Much lighter but bit less power. Both much underrated bikes.
I really like this bike, and one thing BMW does very well is enable most of their bikes to be semi-touring capable by virtue of offering factory luggage options on most models as well as offering so many creature comforts typically only seen on ADV or other touring bikes.
My only nitpick about the latest model year of the R model is it seems BMW has taken their ESA option away and yet…maintained a similar price point when spec’d out? Otherwise, I’d likely consider one as an upgrade over my current F900R. I love the naked body style, but being a BMW with factory saddlebags and heck, even shaft drive, I could easily see myself touring long distances on this. Hah, I do that now on my F900R 😅
Tragic news about Evans. This is the first I've heard of it even though the accident occurred back in September. Does anyone know if the hit and run driver will face any charges?
Having owned several Ducati models (2V and 4V), Airheads, G's, Oilheads, from my viewpoint the natural competitor to the R1250 would be one of the Ducati models (or the Super Duke).
In the end, I've always liked Ducati more. Lighter, better handling, smoother engine (yes, smoother), a more thrilling top end. And, until lately, no comparison in style.
Great video! I must say I did cringe a bit while you went to redline an under 1k miles bike..
Not nice seeing a cold engine (with the variable redline showing 5,500 rpms) being revved to 8,000 revs....and it looks like you are riding with high beam on which just pisses people off.
Ian, you should have put your whole family on this motorcycle. What a great video it would make. Was this video filmed at your new home? I miss the amazing views. Good luck, stay safe. Christopher
The cylinders are not in line, so one leg is closer to your engine on one side. Bar risers help the riding position as well.
I Ride BMWR850R from 2001.The Best. This is Just a lots of Money.
When was this video recorded?
It's December and you're saying it's a hot day?
BTW as far as bike goes, I must have some type of windscreen.
I’ve got a 2016 RT and find myself sometimes thinking how fun an R would be here in North Carolina, particularly when it gets hot out and the RT’s wind protection works against it. But it’s hard to justify having both.
I had a 2008 RT and live in NC. Beautiful bike for touring in cool weather. I noticed that I was not riding it in late Spring and Summer weather because it was just too hot. I kept my 1200 GS and sold the RT.
@@garycole6751 oh yeah… def scheming for something happy to be naked and dirty to park next to the RT.
Ian, the availability of ESA on the 2023 R1250R is something worthy of further inquiry.
It appears that ESA is not available for USA bikes, but a look at BMWs international site shows it is still available elsewhere. It was available on 2022 and all previous model years. Also, the ESA worked on both front and rear even though the front has conventional forks. As a previous poster pointed out, it is still available on the conventional forks of the RS model. I think it's a disappointing omission by BMW on their otherwise updated 2023 model. It would be nice to get to the bottom of this.
When are you going to replace your MT09 with this 1250?
Absolutely love this bike but just can’t get over that weight
I had this bike and got tired of getting beat up by the wind, so I traded it in for a S1000XR and never looked back!
You don’t mind the chain maintenance?