Steph Curry's off-ball movement is probably his greatest skill, other than his shooting. Trae does not move unless the ball is in his hands. It drags down his shooting efficiency (you are always most open when you catch the ball), and it makes it much, much easier for defenses to account for him. I'd be really interested to see how the Hawks would work if he went absolutely crazy with his conditioning and got his off-ball game in shape.
That is my favourite thing from Curry that I try to emulate in my game. He is always running circles without the ball and getting himself free, so if you do not follow him all the time, he needs a part of a second to release a shot
@@fortynights1513 yes all the time, he also uses his gravity running around to distract the defenders and maybe create space to others using their fear against him
@@bassmindopekukjata Whenever I play ball, I tend to just make it apparent that I'm looking to pass to a cutter, and it's flabbergasting how easy it is for my team to score with even the most basic backdoor cuts.
Conditioning isn't Trae's issue, they just have never had the same kind of motion offense Steph has had with Steve Kerr. These guys don't just freelance and run around in circles off-ball, they run set plays with often 2 screeners to get Steph open for a catch-and-shoot rep. Quin will likely involve more motion offense into their playbook next season, but it's really too soon for the Hawks to start running some of the more complicated plays Quin ran in Utah. But even when they do, there will be plays where Trae will be in the corner and uninvolved offensively, but the same is true for Steph, every team does this with their high volume stars, Celtics do this heavily.
You sound extremely uninformed. Laughably so. You keep putting up articles but no stats. These are 2018 talking points in 2023. If you trade Trae Young for pieces like they did with Dominique Wikins in the mid 90s, all you're gonna have is pieces for 20+ years. The Hawks were in the playoffs 10 years in a row before they blew it to to get... a star. The shot he last night, that's what he here for. Pieces is a moved backwards.
A couple definitions I’ve heard of “superstar” players in the NBA are the following: “A player who can be the number one player on a championship team, but this player doesn’t have to have proven that.” - Rusty Buckets “A player who can perennially finish top five in the MVP vote.” - Legend of Winning
I wouldn't say so. While there is no doubt Trae is a star. The issue is his capability of being a big factor on a championship caliber. While he can have games like these, he can also not show up offensively other nights and when he does so, he doesn't offer a lot else.
I can tell this dude hasn’t watched a single hawks game this year just by him saying trae doesn’t even try on defense. If you’ve seen a single hawks game, you can tell trae actually tries on defense. He has active hands, doesn’t just let dudes drive by him without at least swiping for the ball and is taking charges. Is he the best defender? Absolutely not, but he definitely gives effort.
He acts like trae didnt get injured in the conference finals and ignores how the hawks were without their best wing defender hunter in the entire playoffs
“The Hawks got lucky in 2021”. I see this argument a lot there’s definitely merit to it. But why is it only ever used against Trae and the Hawks? It took a MONUMENTAL collapse by the Suns for the Luka and the Mavericks to win, yet that conference finals run isn’t portrayed as nearly as lucky as the Hawks’ one. I think the Suns game 7 collapse was a much luckier break than Ben Simmons not taking that one dunk (both the Suns and 76ers blew game 6 in equally embarrassing fashion I’d say). Also, “Trae is a coach killer” but I’m pretty sure Jason Kidd is gonna get fired this off-season, meaning Luka would have gone through the same number of coaches in the same amount of time. They also would’ve both made the playoffs in 3/5 years, and both have won two playoff series. Luka is still a much better player but I still think Trae is unfairly judged with all things considered. (He’s also played a lot better defensively under coach Snyder but you’d need to actually watch Hawks games to know that).
I feel like size is so overrated when ur talking about guards defensively. Donnovan mitchell is what like 6’6 and he’s no better as a defender than young
Beating Philadelphia in the second round was not particularly impressive. Good year for Atlanta, but nothing to indicate the team was verging on a breakthrough. Oh you made it through the conference finals? Good job, how did you get there? Oh Philadelphia collapsed like a disappointing shit show of incompetence and failure in the second round, yet again.
The criticism of Trae is not unfair. He is the highest usage player on Atlanta, and he literally has the LOWEST effective field goal percentile of any player on his own team. Trae has never even shot league average percentages. Trae has never had a positive adjusted offensive/defensive rating. He is the most overrated player in the league now that Ben Simmons has been exposed.
The problem with the Hawks are players not meeting their contract expectations. John Collins went from a 20 and 10 guy to an below average power forward. Deandre Hunter also had high expectations that he hasn’t met. Alongside with terrible coaching by Nate McMillan, it’s hard to succeed with all that. I think under a full off season under Snyder and a few changes to the roster, this Hawks team can look like the team from two years ago.
Yeah, Trae isn't the problem. It's totally fine for your first option to have the worst shooting efficiency rating on your team... That's what winning basketball looks like..
@@mitchtherevolution Y'all just be making shit up fr. Trae had a higher true shooting % this year than DeAndre Hunter and Dejounte Murray. He ain't even the least efficient player in his starting lineup.
@@xylynthian753 TS% is just effective field goal percentage, plus free throws. Every single player on the team has a better eFG, by a wide margin. Yes, he is really good at flopping and drawing fouls and he is a pretty good free throw shooter.
Trae isn’t the problem by a long mile. This team has been grossly under-coached from the day Trae got drafted. Lloyd Pierce is a terrible coach and while Nate was better you haven’t seen any improvement/development with any of the players drafted here. Somehow Trae became the scapegoat because he is limited on defense. Also,…This Aged HORRIBLY🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😂
The trade rumors make no sense, we’ve had two bad years and if he really isn’t that valuable like you say why would we rush trading him😭 y’all want him off the team so bad bruh Istg. Continuing to work w Trae especially now that we got Snyder is the obvious direction.
@@elderassassin9673 I’m not though💀ik nobody like Trae but ATL fans so saying we should trade him prob fun for y’all but it makes no sense to do it this offseason. I could see it in the future maybe but dejountes on a 1 year deal and we jus hired a great new coach it’d make no sense to not even give Trae a season w him. Everyone’s only argument for hawks trading Trae this offseason is a 1 article and because they don’t like his style of player.
@@krs4898 even Atlanta fans know his days are numbered. Atlanta Sports talk even understand he will most likely be traded it seems your Fandom has blinded you.
@@elderassassin9673 ofc ATL sports talk is gonna talk ab Trae when he plays bad or good or when he’s in trade rumors. My fandom hasn’t blinded shit I just actually know about the hawks cause they my favorite team and understand it wouldn’t make sense to trade Trae this offseason. Like I said in the future anything is possible but people already putting together trade packages just wanna see drama w a player they don’t like.
I left this video to catch the ending of the Celtics game he did it to them 💀 actions speak louder than words, stats, and TH-cam videos tonight Young is king 👑
Eliminated at home in the first round. 28 shot attempts, trash efficiency. 32.1 FG% 33.3 3pt% 5 turn overs Box -11 Yeah, that's exactly what I expected.
that team will stink without him. I would ask murray how he liked tonigihts game but he was too busy shoving refs nearly killing the season. Young just bailed them out
@@BloodlessWolfThe thing is Luka is not though he play fine sometimes sub-par defense in regular season but in the playoffs he play SOLID defense and that’s not just from eyes test, it also supported by the numbers and to make my point clear Trey is the WORST defender in the NBA and yes out of every player that qualified he is No.1 worst defensive player and Luka is not even in the top50 worst defender so you can’t really named him because of that
@@BloodlessWolfoh D.Book also in top5 worst defenders. You can’t just says someone’s name and just because you think they are the worst defender doesn’t means anything without FACTS😂
Okay, fact is Luka was ranked 440th out of 539 players on defense as of the end of last year. On transition defense, statistically, he is the worst player in the history of the NBA.
I feel like the Hawks and Mavs are basically identical. Obviously the modern iterations of those teams will always be bound by the draft trade, but both teams have the same problems: -Have a ball-dominant star that can't defend -Let one conference final run get into their head - where their second round win was less "team b beats team a" and more "team a's dysfunction leads them to beat themselves", and both had new coaches that year as well (McMillan as interim, Kidd as permanent) -Made a win-now move (Dejounte and Kyrie) that didn't actually raise their ceiling when that conference final run proved a fluke (granted, Dejounte wasn't anywhere near as bad as the Kyrie deal, and it's less what the Mavs got than it is what they gave up) Obviously Atlanta is in a stronger position than Dallas, but it's eerie.
As a hawks fan ion think we trade Trae tbh it all comes down to Quinn he has a say in it as well it’s his contract. His chemistry with Trae looks way better than Trae chemistry with Nate nd pierce
If I'm the hawks I'm trying to get a 2nd star and also a wing player and improvement for backup point guard. This team has potential and the guys they have.
I think the best fit for Trae would be toronto. They desperately need a real offensive weapon and they have the defensive players to hide his weaknesses. Not sure what the package would look like but it would likely be his best fit
Thank you if Atlanta trade Trae it would be another dumb decision by this organization we have an all star backcourt who’s been playing with a newly hired coach for what 3 months maybe let’s trade JC/Hunter nd get a dawg mentality player nd we are top 6 seed at worst!
He said Trae can be a "helpful" player. Sir you are the biggest Trae Young Hater/Luka Prom Date on TH-cam. There is no reporting saying that they are ready to move on from Trae. Don't lose credibility because of your disdain for Trae.
I have news for you the Miami Heat would want him we can't go another offseason without getting another star and our SG position is easy to fill because we always can find snipers at anytime. Miami is a defensive team unlike Atlanta so Miami can makeup for Trae Young's lack of Defense.
I like it as a fit but I honestly think Miami would be better off giving Austin Reaves 20 million and running him as their go to guard next to Herro. Eric Spoelstra is a wizard but he is not afraid to boot guys from lineups if they don’t buy in defensively
@@Adbar10XDabsolutely not Pat Riley and Jimmy Butler cannot afford that. We promised Jimmy another star and we have yet to give him that signing Austin Reeves instead of Trae young is a slap in the face to Jimmy Butler. Jimmy is running out of time father time is real.
Trae is honestly on one of the most porly constructed rosters in the league. Murray and his talents overlap, surrounded by non shooters, both starting forwards are below average, and the team doesnt play defense. Whatever the market for trae is it’s probably still going to be a lot.
I beg to differ. Huge reason why Huerter is doing better with the Kings than his time with the Hawks. Because Huerter gets to show off his passing/handles with a dynamic big man passer like Sabonis. They can play 2 man screen games and use that action and spacing to get guys like Fox and the other shot makers in positions to make a play. How is DeAndre Hunter going to show his passing skills when him, Murray and Collins get to sit in their spots and watch Trae and a big play screen games 80% to start their half court sets? Worse yet Trae isn't even making an impact playing off ball which would make passing the ball around a lot more reasonable. You can see it too when Trae brings up the ball as oppose to Murray bringing it up which his playmaking is less rigid.
@@t4d0W that is coaching issue primarily. Most of those issue will probably be alleviated next season when they get a new playbook. Off ball plays don’t happen often without plays being ran for them.
@@trvspvrk one year? He got Dallas to the WCF last year bud 😂 Brunson obviously should of made the All Star game this year as well but he was snubbed for some weird reason since the media has a bias against the Knicks. You got to be blind or just don't watch the games to think that Trae Young is a better player than Brunson. It's actually insane how deep of a bag Brunson has and the year he had this year is just the type of player that he is and everyone knows that now.. Brunson is easily a top 5 PG and can fit on almost any team unlike Trae who needs many things built around him.
@@tj5180? Brunson is easily the better and more valuable player 😂 every team in the NBA would rather have Jalen Brunson and you are just blind and or delusional if you think anything otherwise. What does the dude have to do to prove that to you bums? He's a top 5 PG and all the numbers and eye tests back that up.
@@EJWZ0 who said Brunson was a bad player he’s just not a better player then trae. He’s not better then guys like curry, Luka, fox, ja, garland and Hali and dame you can also include harden. Trae is a better scorer and passer also took his team to the ecf in 2021 what else do you want to prove ?
Let's be honest here. The team around Trae sucks. The Hawks are mediocre at best. Murray is a solid player, but him & Trae equals a small backcourt. Plus, Murray isn't good enough to be a second option for a contender. The Hawks need to surround Trae with better defensive minded players & another wing player that can reliably create his own shot. This team sucks & don't say Young is overrated when KD couldn't even get a game off this Celtics team. If Hawks build around Murray, they're immediately going back to the lottery for the next 2-3 years.
It makes zero sense for the Hawks to trade Trae mainly for future picks, since the picks they owe and the Murray situation puts them in win-now mode. That leaves Brooklyn out of the running, since they really only have one player with enough trade value, and he's too valuable to trade away. Maybe there could be interest in a high lottery pick this year and some other solid additions with upside, but realistically another star would be more likely the only return the Hawks would accept.
As a Hawks fan, it's disappointing to have gone through a painful rebuild only to have an expensive mediocre team. I feel like they're stuck in their situation with Trae's super max contract, no room for Murray's contract that expires after next season and many of their first round picks owed to the Spurs. They also have two young former players at GM who don't have a lot experience at the position. I think the best thing they can hope for is to trade Trae for as many future first round picks and maybe a young player or two in return.
Maybe Trae isn’t a plug and play Curry-type no matter your roster. Oh wait, nobody but Curry is. I’m not giving up on Trae until this current Atlanta roster is done being retooled. Murray, Hunter, Bey, Griffin, and Bogdanovic are all great options at the 2-4. Collins is a clunky fit and neither he or Trae benefits from the other that much. Clint Capela is just a juiced up Biyombo, clumsy old school big with no bag. A roster truly constructed around Trae top to bottom would be a force to compete with. Imagine how lethal atlanta could be with front court guys like Herb Jones, Claxton, McDaniels, Carter Jr. etc
McCollum, Alverado, 2023 pelicans first and a 2024 Mil 1st for Trae Young. Pelicans get a star that fits the BI/ Zion timeline that can take the pressure off of possibly losing Zion. Hawks stay competitive and get some future assets.
Trae for Towns. Straight up swap. Ant, Trae and Rudy would be scary in the west. And Towns, Murray would be a cool duo, maybe trade Capela or Collins for a 3rd guy
1. They're not looking to trade him, all the "noise" that was there about trades are from December (reported speculation from a rival exec), and a vague statement from the owner saying "I don't close any doors on trades" when a reporter pressed about his role in the decision making process. The KOC report was not a "report", but an aggregate of those two stories with no additional sources. Also, TNT reporters reported that the Atlanta front office called Trae Young and told the media that the story was false, but nobody wants to talk about that. 2. Everyone acts like they hate Trae or you can't win with him or whatever other bullshit, but the reason youtubers like you even talk about the possibility of Trae in trade is because people are very obviously interested in a multi-year All-Star and All-NBA guard who is always top 5-10 in practically every offensive metric. 3. They just hired the most coveted and respected Head Coach on the market. Of course they're going to move forward with this group, why would they prospectively sell low? Maybe they add pieces, but they're not gonna be sellers. 4. Trae has objectively been better on defense this season, giving a lot more effort. It has not resulted in wins because this is a flawed roster at the Forward positions. Teams will still pick on him and he's still a net negative on defense, but at this point he's not much worse than guys like DLO, Jalen Brunson, and Steph Curry. Trae Young had a DRAPTOR rating of -1.0 this year (compared to -3.0 last year), Brunson had a rating of -1.1, DLO had a rating of -1.9, and Steph had a rating of -0.9. Per Cleaning the Glass, this season he was in the 51st percentile of defenders, allowing a net 0 more points per possession as the primary defender than league average, after previously being in the 18th percentile, allowing +4.2 points. It's extremely easy to enter the echo chamber and dogpile on, this is what the NBA fandom does especially to guys they don't like. But to suggest that he wouldn't be coveted as a trade target is just straight up foolish and way too in-the-moment of a proposition.
Bro trae already took you to the eastern championship puts up 30 +10 like nobody else you could tell your not a hooper and you need a story but this a awful tank
aged well just carried his team to beat the celtics today stop with the terrible takes you used to be great but now you have a terrible edgy take every day that looks terrible by the next week
There’s got to be a point where Trae himself is more valuable than whatever they could get back. He’s 24 years old and still a 28 and 10 guy, before this year he was gaining efficiency every year. Give them a year under Snyder. At some point I would rather compete for the second round 45 win type thing every year with Trae than be absolutely awful and hope to one day be better
His offensive efficiency also fell off a fucking cliff this year. Ending with a 30 point performance on 28 shots in a home game elimination. Fucking embarrassing that anyone thinks he will ever be good enough to lead a championship caliber team.
Sure keep the average talent on the team never make the playoffs and blame it all on trae in retro. Sixers did the same with Iverson. Oh yeah murray is a problem when he nearly kills their season because he has a beef with a ref. Young saved them tonight and there are desperate people trying to claim otherwise. By the way young was hurt in the 2021 ecf too but played through it. Hawks didn't win games without Giannis in there either. Sixers did choke but young killed them too
If the nets could get him for no crucial players I could see real potential there but who knows if they’re even interested. He could be useful for a few teams but it just depends what players they’d have to give up in return.
If the Nets trade for him, Mikal Bridges is gonna get turned into a 3 and D wing again. Trae dominates the ball too much he needs some off-ball so he can play beside others better.
@@saibotshawdow5090 Blud has the right idea. Until Trae develops some off-ball skills he will force almost everyone he plays with into a shooter or lob threat. I don't think the way he plays currently can lead the Hawks to a chip.
Wonder if Trae for Towns makes sense -- Hawks can ship out Capela (their defense wasn't that good) and shipping out Trae and starting Dejounte/ Bogdan/ Hunter/ Collins/ KAT can make for a good group with help around Towns. Wolves have the 18th ranked defense and 13th ranked offense but their spacing doesn't work; getting Trae can jumpstart their offense further while Gobert can be the man helping out defensively without coexisting next to Towns. Both have lengthy, big $ contracts.
Take a look at the top dozen or so scorers in the league and ask yourself who hasn't consistently gone deep in the playoffs. Note what they all have in common - they play no defense.
Trae Young is the Deron Williams of today’s league. Once regarded as an All Star border-lining on superstar. Just like Williams issues with former Jazz coach Jerry Sloan was full of tension. Trae’s friction and attitude helped created tension in and around the team. Two coaches have been terminated from their positions. All of these issues have created levels of uncertainty about Trae’s future as a Hawk. It would not surprise me that TY gets traded somewhere else sometime this summer.
Steph Curry's off-ball movement is probably his greatest skill, other than his shooting. Trae does not move unless the ball is in his hands. It drags down his shooting efficiency (you are always most open when you catch the ball), and it makes it much, much easier for defenses to account for him.
I'd be really interested to see how the Hawks would work if he went absolutely crazy with his conditioning and got his off-ball game in shape.
That is my favourite thing from Curry that I try to emulate in my game. He is always running circles without the ball and getting himself free, so if you do not follow him all the time, he needs a part of a second to release a shot
So in other words when Curry doesn’t have the ball, he gets open for another play?
@@fortynights1513 yes all the time, he also uses his gravity running around to distract the defenders and maybe create space to others using their fear against him
@@bassmindopekukjata Whenever I play ball, I tend to just make it apparent that I'm looking to pass to a cutter, and it's flabbergasting how easy it is for my team to score with even the most basic backdoor cuts.
Conditioning isn't Trae's issue, they just have never had the same kind of motion offense Steph has had with Steve Kerr. These guys don't just freelance and run around in circles off-ball, they run set plays with often 2 screeners to get Steph open for a catch-and-shoot rep. Quin will likely involve more motion offense into their playbook next season, but it's really too soon for the Hawks to start running some of the more complicated plays Quin ran in Utah. But even when they do, there will be plays where Trae will be in the corner and uninvolved offensively, but the same is true for Steph, every team does this with their high volume stars, Celtics do this heavily.
even milk does not go bad this fast LMAO
this video backfired, trae was hooping tonight😂
This aged well
You sound extremely uninformed. Laughably so. You keep putting up articles but no stats. These are 2018 talking points in 2023. If you trade Trae Young for pieces like they did with Dominique Wikins in the mid 90s, all you're gonna have is pieces for 20+ years. The Hawks were in the playoffs 10 years in a row before they blew it to to get... a star. The shot he last night, that's what he here for. Pieces is a moved backwards.
Trae took that seriously 💀
And got bounced out again 💀
I wouldnt call trae a superstar. An all star but not superstar
We throw the superstar word around way too much. It’s limited to about 7-12 guys.
@@Shortballa11 12 is pushing it. Over 1/3 of the teams have a superstar?
yeah it’s at most 8
@@Shortballa11 I wouldnt even say 12 tbh. Me personally a Superstar is a guy who can be a number 1 on a title team. So maybe 7 or 8 like you said
A couple definitions I’ve heard of “superstar” players in the NBA are the following:
“A player who can be the number one player on a championship team, but this player doesn’t have to have proven that.” - Rusty Buckets
“A player who can perennially finish top five in the MVP vote.” - Legend of Winning
Clearly the superstar is Ben Simmons.
Facts
😂😂😂
what a tragedy that his career has fallen so far.
Change it to sporting illogically
This aged poorly
They’re gonna say that the Smart pass was sloppy because the narrative can’t be that Trae made a game winning defensive play
Not really cause it’s still kinda true
I wouldn't say so. While there is no doubt Trae is a star. The issue is his capability of being a big factor on a championship caliber. While he can have games like these, he can also not show up offensively other nights and when he does so, he doesn't offer a lot else.
Ahhh no. He played well tonight but he’s still not worth the trouble and his ceiling is not great
@@Andrewjs2187 except some of the best playmaking in the league
This didn’t age well….
It did cuz they didn't achieve anything
this take aged like milk
Sorta like the Hawks hopes of being an actual contender after exposing Philly?
@@mitchtherevolution you couldn’t wait to comment this shit
Bro loves kicking the Hawks when they down, when they did better this post season than his fraud Nets 😂
Who tf expected anything from the current nets that ur calling them frauds 💀
Do you win an illogical award for this?
I can tell this dude hasn’t watched a single hawks game this year just by him saying trae doesn’t even try on defense. If you’ve seen a single hawks game, you can tell trae actually tries on defense. He has active hands, doesn’t just let dudes drive by him without at least swiping for the ball and is taking charges. Is he the best defender? Absolutely not, but he definitely gives effort.
Kinda par for the course with this channel though.
You said "It took Giannis injury to gift 2 wins to the Hawks in the conference finals..." Bruh Trae got injured at the same time what did you watch?
He acts like trae didnt get injured in the conference finals and ignores how the hawks were without their best wing defender hunter in the entire playoffs
This aged badly in less than 5 hours
Aged like milk
“The Hawks got lucky in 2021”. I see this argument a lot there’s definitely merit to it. But why is it only ever used against Trae and the Hawks? It took a MONUMENTAL collapse by the Suns for the Luka and the Mavericks to win, yet that conference finals run isn’t portrayed as nearly as lucky as the Hawks’ one. I think the Suns game 7 collapse was a much luckier break than Ben Simmons not taking that one dunk (both the Suns and 76ers blew game 6 in equally embarrassing fashion I’d say). Also, “Trae is a coach killer” but I’m pretty sure Jason Kidd is gonna get fired this off-season, meaning Luka would have gone through the same number of coaches in the same amount of time. They also would’ve both made the playoffs in 3/5 years, and both have won two playoff series. Luka is still a much better player but I still think Trae is unfairly judged with all things considered. (He’s also played a lot better defensively under coach Snyder but you’d need to actually watch Hawks games to know that).
I feel like size is so overrated when ur talking about guards defensively. Donnovan mitchell is what like 6’6 and he’s no better as a defender than young
@@WalterFlanagin Mitchell is the same height as Tre Young. He does have longer arms.
@@nicholas372 damn ur right I thought he was one of those guys u think is short but is actually tall.
Beating Philadelphia in the second round was not particularly impressive.
Good year for Atlanta, but nothing to indicate the team was verging on a breakthrough.
Oh you made it through the conference finals?
Good job, how did you get there?
Oh Philadelphia collapsed like a disappointing shit show of incompetence and failure in the second round, yet again.
The criticism of Trae is not unfair.
He is the highest usage player on Atlanta, and he literally has the LOWEST effective field goal percentile of any player on his own team.
Trae has never even shot league average percentages.
Trae has never had a positive adjusted offensive/defensive rating.
He is the most overrated player in the league now that Ben Simmons has been exposed.
As a Pels fan we’ll take him for a really lopsided trade package
3 team trade. Hawks get RJ and Hartenstein plus 5 to 6 mil cap filler and 3 picks. Pels get Trae and 2 picks. Knicks get Zion.
@@hoodiewaffles lol. Lmao.
Hawks would accept nothing less than Dyson Daniels, cap filler, and 3 first round picks if the Pels want Trae
Fuck that, Trae would ruin the Pelicans.
@@mitchtherevolution I actually think we have the perfect team to go around him. A ton of long defenders who can shoot lol
man Trae did hit the game winner just now 😂 nice timing of making this vid 🤭😂
Who’s here after the game 🌚
What’s the logic behind dropping this video before the series was over?
The problem with the Hawks are players not meeting their contract expectations. John Collins went from a 20 and 10 guy to an below average power forward. Deandre Hunter also had high expectations that he hasn’t met. Alongside with terrible coaching by Nate McMillan, it’s hard to succeed with all that. I think under a full off season under Snyder and a few changes to the roster, this Hawks team can look like the team from two years ago.
Yeah, Trae isn't the problem.
It's totally fine for your first option to have the worst shooting efficiency rating on your team...
That's what winning basketball looks like..
@@mitchtherevolution Y'all just be making shit up fr. Trae had a higher true shooting % this year than DeAndre Hunter and Dejounte Murray. He ain't even the least efficient player in his starting lineup.
@@xylynthian753
TS% is just effective field goal percentage, plus free throws. Every single player on the team has a better eFG, by a wide margin.
Yes, he is really good at flopping and drawing fouls and he is a pretty good free throw shooter.
Bad timing because he just hit the game winner and 14 straight points to beat the Celtics just a few hours after this video
He put this video to short rest tonight 😂😂😂
Trae saw this video and said, “Watch me”.
Lmao he just called game and has been playing up to his superstar status in the playoffs. Quit the hate.
Trae isn’t the problem by a long mile. This team has been grossly under-coached from the day Trae got drafted. Lloyd Pierce is a terrible coach and while Nate was better you haven’t seen any improvement/development with any of the players drafted here. Somehow Trae became the scapegoat because he is limited on defense. Also,…This Aged HORRIBLY🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😂
The trade rumors make no sense, we’ve had two bad years and if he really isn’t that valuable like you say why would we rush trading him😭 y’all want him off the team so bad bruh Istg. Continuing to work w Trae especially now that we got Snyder is the obvious direction.
Your in for a big surprise this offseason then
@@elderassassin9673 I’m not though💀ik nobody like Trae but ATL fans so saying we should trade him prob fun for y’all but it makes no sense to do it this offseason. I could see it in the future maybe but dejountes on a 1 year deal and we jus hired a great new coach it’d make no sense to not even give Trae a season w him. Everyone’s only argument for hawks trading Trae this offseason is a 1 article and because they don’t like his style of player.
@@krs4898 even Atlanta fans know his days are numbered. Atlanta Sports talk even understand he will most likely be traded it seems your Fandom has blinded you.
@@krs4898 that's not the only evidence I could educate you but no one is paying me to.
@@elderassassin9673 ofc ATL sports talk is gonna talk ab Trae when he plays bad or good or when he’s in trade rumors. My fandom hasn’t blinded shit I just actually know about the hawks cause they my favorite team and understand it wouldn’t make sense to trade Trae this offseason. Like I said in the future anything is possible but people already putting together trade packages just wanna see drama w a player they don’t like.
Hawks still alive.
NO! I will NEVER accept that Trae Young has the worst defense. That man killed Ben Simmons' whole career with his intimidating defense.
Playoff Trae stuns the Garden🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶
And fails miserably in Atlanta
I left this video to catch the ending of the Celtics game he did it to them 💀 actions speak louder than words, stats, and TH-cam videos tonight Young is king 👑
Eliminated at home in the first round.
28 shot attempts, trash efficiency.
32.1 FG%
33.3 3pt%
5 turn overs
Box -11
Yeah, that's exactly what I expected.
Bad timing
Let’s be honest without Trae Young Atlanta is nothing that’s why there are in the playoffs.
He's a superstar
Superstars are players that can be the best player on a championship team.
That is absolutely not Trae Young, and it never will be.
I want Trae in Philly. You see that shot in game 5 vs the Celtics? He’s legit.
You do realize he has the lowest efficiency ratings on the Hawks?
that team will stink without him. I would ask murray how he liked tonigihts game but he was too busy shoving refs nearly killing the season. Young just bailed them out
Trae must’ve put 40 on dis man in childhood the hate is real
Weird how Trae gets so much criticism while Luka gets a pass.
Luka has demonstrated the ability to play defense,
@Tawny Prince the only reason you can say Trae is MAYBE the worst defender is because of players like Luka maybe being worse.
@@BloodlessWolfThe thing is Luka is not though he play fine sometimes sub-par defense in regular season but in the playoffs he play SOLID defense and that’s not just from eyes test, it also supported by the numbers and to make my point clear Trey is the WORST defender in the NBA and yes out of every player that qualified he is No.1 worst defensive player and Luka is not even in the top50 worst defender so you can’t really named him because of that
@@BloodlessWolfoh D.Book also in top5 worst defenders. You can’t just says someone’s name and just because you think they are the worst defender doesn’t means anything without FACTS😂
Okay, fact is Luka was ranked 440th out of 539 players on defense as of the end of last year. On transition defense, statistically, he is the worst player in the history of the NBA.
I think y'all might want to rethink this video because he just ICED BOSTON AT THE FAKE ASS GARDEN LMAO 😂😂😂😂😂
Trae defense isn't that bad.... Simmons never recovered after Traes rim protection
I feel like the Hawks and Mavs are basically identical. Obviously the modern iterations of those teams will always be bound by the draft trade, but both teams have the same problems:
-Have a ball-dominant star that can't defend
-Let one conference final run get into their head - where their second round win was less "team b beats team a" and more "team a's dysfunction leads them to beat themselves", and both had new coaches that year as well (McMillan as interim, Kidd as permanent)
-Made a win-now move (Dejounte and Kyrie) that didn't actually raise their ceiling when that conference final run proved a fluke (granted, Dejounte wasn't anywhere near as bad as the Kyrie deal, and it's less what the Mavs got than it is what they gave up)
Obviously Atlanta is in a stronger position than Dallas, but it's eerie.
This is a fair and accurate take. I disagree with the fluke piece but see how people can see it that way.
aged like MILK
This is clickbait you mean Ben Simmons, I rather have Trae young than Ben simmon brick shots 😂
ben simmons makes would make the team worse tbh
@@c4m3r0n1 that’s y I said I rather keep Trae young because he’s a better player than Simmons
Your takes were not good. But on top of that, you mentioned Giannis’s injury in the ECF but not Trae’s???
As a hawks fan ion think we trade Trae tbh it all comes down to Quinn he has a say in it as well it’s his contract. His chemistry with Trae looks way better than Trae chemistry with Nate nd pierce
If I'm the hawks I'm trying to get a 2nd star and also a wing player and improvement for backup point guard. This team has potential and the guys they have.
I think the best fit for Trae would be toronto. They desperately need a real offensive weapon and they have the defensive players to hide his weaknesses. Not sure what the package would look like but it would likely be his best fit
Fred + Trent no picks cause he’s overplayed af and 0 defense
Everything you said about Trae, you can say about Luka. STOP THE TRAE YOUNG HATE
Thank you if Atlanta trade Trae it would be another dumb decision by this organization we have an all star backcourt who’s been playing with a newly hired coach for what 3 months maybe let’s trade JC/Hunter nd get a dawg mentality player nd we are top 6 seed at worst!
I would take Trea over Luka any day of the week .
quin snyder is gonna make trae a better player than he was with nate mcmillan
Trae Young being Traded before John Collins would be the biggest Plot Twist in NBA history 😂
Good timing
He said Trae can be a "helpful" player. Sir you are the biggest Trae Young Hater/Luka Prom Date on TH-cam.
There is no reporting saying that they are ready to move on from Trae. Don't lose credibility because of your disdain for Trae.
I have news for you the Miami Heat would want him we can't go another offseason without getting another star and our SG position is easy to fill because we always can find snipers at anytime. Miami is a defensive team unlike Atlanta so Miami can makeup for Trae Young's lack of Defense.
I like it as a fit but I honestly think Miami would be better off giving Austin Reaves 20 million and running him as their go to guard next to Herro. Eric Spoelstra is a wizard but he is not afraid to boot guys from lineups if they don’t buy in defensively
@@Adbar10XDabsolutely not Pat Riley and Jimmy Butler cannot afford that. We promised Jimmy another star and we have yet to give him that signing Austin Reeves instead of Trae young is a slap in the face to Jimmy Butler.
Jimmy is running out of time father time is real.
@@Adbar10XD
Hawks. Heat
Murry. Trey
Herro. Struse
Hunter. Butler
Collins. Bam
Capella. Naz Reid
@@elderassassin9673 that Heat lineup is really bad, I don’t think that’s any better than what they’re working with now
@@elderassassin9673 Ttust me Jimmy Butler and Trae Young is a NBA championship contender these casuals know nothing about Trae 😊
The winning formula for the Hawks making it to the ECF was the sixers choking.
That was a decent team, but shouldn’t be considered something you bank on being replicable.
Just like the Mavs last year.
@@LeBrondah but no don’t say that Luka is a superstar! Let’s ignore the suns being overrated
@@LeBrondah Very true, and Phoenix is also said to have choked.
@@ajevans1422 luka us a lazy player who doesn't play defense Suns in 5
Add Atlanta to the long list of franchises Ben Simmons has been responsible for handing the Kybosh.
Ripple effects.
While the Trae slander is deserved, this dude has hated the hawks for the last few seasons 😂
Trae is honestly on one of the most porly constructed rosters in the league. Murray and his talents overlap, surrounded by non shooters, both starting forwards are below average, and the team doesnt play defense. Whatever the market for trae is it’s probably still going to be a lot.
I beg to differ. Huge reason why Huerter is doing better with the Kings than his time with the Hawks. Because Huerter gets to show off his passing/handles with a dynamic big man passer like Sabonis. They can play 2 man screen games and use that action and spacing to get guys like Fox and the other shot makers in positions to make a play. How is DeAndre Hunter going to show his passing skills when him, Murray and Collins get to sit in their spots and watch Trae and a big play screen games 80% to start their half court sets? Worse yet Trae isn't even making an impact playing off ball which would make passing the ball around a lot more reasonable. You can see it too when Trae brings up the ball as oppose to Murray bringing it up which his playmaking is less rigid.
@@t4d0W that is coaching issue primarily. Most of those issue will probably be alleviated next season when they get a new playbook. Off ball plays don’t happen often without plays being ran for them.
@@t4d0W how has all that been holding up in the playoffs?
Trae Young tonight to Sporting Logically 🤫
Are we saying the guy who got suspended a game is better than the guy who just carried them to a win?
Jalen Brunson is better. The Knicks would never ever ever trade for Trae Young.
Brunson has no all star appearances. one year don’t make him a better player than Trae lmfao😹😹😹
Stop it
@@trvspvrk one year? He got Dallas to the WCF last year bud 😂 Brunson obviously should of made the All Star game this year as well but he was snubbed for some weird reason since the media has a bias against the Knicks. You got to be blind or just don't watch the games to think that Trae Young is a better player than Brunson. It's actually insane how deep of a bag Brunson has and the year he had this year is just the type of player that he is and everyone knows that now.. Brunson is easily a top 5 PG and can fit on almost any team unlike Trae who needs many things built around him.
@@tj5180? Brunson is easily the better and more valuable player 😂 every team in the NBA would rather have Jalen Brunson and you are just blind and or delusional if you think anything otherwise. What does the dude have to do to prove that to you bums? He's a top 5 PG and all the numbers and eye tests back that up.
@@EJWZ0 who said Brunson was a bad player he’s just not a better player then trae. He’s not better then guys like curry, Luka, fox, ja, garland and Hali and dame you can also include harden. Trae is a better scorer and passer also took his team to the ecf in 2021 what else do you want to prove ?
Let's be honest here. The team around Trae sucks. The Hawks are mediocre at best. Murray is a solid player, but him & Trae equals a small backcourt. Plus, Murray isn't good enough to be a second option for a contender.
The Hawks need to surround Trae with better defensive minded players & another wing player that can reliably create his own shot. This team sucks & don't say Young is overrated when KD couldn't even get a game off this Celtics team.
If Hawks build around Murray, they're immediately going back to the lottery for the next 2-3 years.
This man never talks about the Hawks or Trae Young, until they’re doing bad
It makes zero sense for the Hawks to trade Trae mainly for future picks, since the picks they owe and the Murray situation puts them in win-now mode. That leaves Brooklyn out of the running, since they really only have one player with enough trade value, and he's too valuable to trade away. Maybe there could be interest in a high lottery pick this year and some other solid additions with upside, but realistically another star would be more likely the only return the Hawks would accept.
As a Hawks fan, it's disappointing to have gone through a painful rebuild only to have an expensive mediocre team. I feel like they're stuck in their situation with Trae's super max contract, no room for Murray's contract that expires after next season and many of their first round picks owed to the Spurs. They also have two young former players at GM who don't have a lot experience at the position. I think the best thing they can hope for is to trade Trae for as many future first round picks and maybe a young player or two in return.
I say Trae for Lavine and Ayo, then trade Collins for a big who actually consistently an 18/10 on 38%3pt
You don't know ball
These videos are hilarious 😂🤣🤣
Maybe Trae isn’t a plug and play Curry-type no matter your roster. Oh wait, nobody but Curry is. I’m not giving up on Trae until this current Atlanta roster is done being retooled. Murray, Hunter, Bey, Griffin, and Bogdanovic are all great options at the 2-4. Collins is a clunky fit and neither he or Trae benefits from the other that much. Clint Capela is just a juiced up Biyombo, clumsy old school big with no bag. A roster truly constructed around Trae top to bottom would be a force to compete with. Imagine how lethal atlanta could be with front court guys like Herb Jones, Claxton, McDaniels, Carter Jr. etc
McCollum, Alverado, 2023 pelicans first and a 2024 Mil 1st for Trae Young. Pelicans get a star that fits the BI/ Zion timeline that can take the pressure off of possibly losing Zion. Hawks stay competitive and get some future assets.
Lmaooooooooo
Trae for Towns. Straight up swap. Ant, Trae and Rudy would be scary in the west. And Towns, Murray would be a cool duo, maybe trade Capela or Collins for a 3rd guy
Trae 'MJ' Young, I saw this video, that's all I needed
Smh omg if this doesn’t sound like a breakdown of Luka and the Mavericks lol.
Never seen a video age so poorly so fast lol
1. They're not looking to trade him, all the "noise" that was there about trades are from December (reported speculation from a rival exec), and a vague statement from the owner saying "I don't close any doors on trades" when a reporter pressed about his role in the decision making process. The KOC report was not a "report", but an aggregate of those two stories with no additional sources. Also, TNT reporters reported that the Atlanta front office called Trae Young and told the media that the story was false, but nobody wants to talk about that.
2. Everyone acts like they hate Trae or you can't win with him or whatever other bullshit, but the reason youtubers like you even talk about the possibility of Trae in trade is because people are very obviously interested in a multi-year All-Star and All-NBA guard who is always top 5-10 in practically every offensive metric.
3. They just hired the most coveted and respected Head Coach on the market. Of course they're going to move forward with this group, why would they prospectively sell low? Maybe they add pieces, but they're not gonna be sellers.
4. Trae has objectively been better on defense this season, giving a lot more effort. It has not resulted in wins because this is a flawed roster at the Forward positions. Teams will still pick on him and he's still a net negative on defense, but at this point he's not much worse than guys like DLO, Jalen Brunson, and Steph Curry. Trae Young had a DRAPTOR rating of -1.0 this year (compared to -3.0 last year), Brunson had a rating of -1.1, DLO had a rating of -1.9, and Steph had a rating of -0.9. Per Cleaning the Glass, this season he was in the 51st percentile of defenders, allowing a net 0 more points per possession as the primary defender than league average, after previously being in the 18th percentile, allowing +4.2 points.
It's extremely easy to enter the echo chamber and dogpile on, this is what the NBA fandom does especially to guys they don't like. But to suggest that he wouldn't be coveted as a trade target is just straight up foolish and way too in-the-moment of a proposition.
SPITTIN
Bro trae already took you to the eastern championship puts up 30 +10 like nobody else you could tell your not a hooper and you need a story but this a awful tank
Damn, you posted this 7 hours too soon 🤦🏼♂️ lol
Well this aged poorly…
Atlanta’s Demar DeRozan 👀
Andrew Arredondo you sound like a big casual Trae is a great shooter
Dang Ainge might trade for him, he loves making his coach's job harder by putting out undersized guards.
TUCKER HES NOT THE WORST DEFENDER IN THE NBA WATCH GAME 4. HES DECENT NOW ACCORDING TO EVERY STATISTIC
He won't ever acknowledge this
This aged like sour milk
aged well just carried his team to beat the celtics today stop with the terrible takes you used to be great but now you have a terrible edgy take every day that looks terrible by the next week
stop crying 😭
Salary is the biggest issue for any team trading for Young, because of the new salary structure coming in this coming year.
There’s got to be a point where Trae himself is more valuable than whatever they could get back. He’s 24 years old and still a 28 and 10 guy, before this year he was gaining efficiency
every year. Give them a year under Snyder. At some point I would rather compete for the second round 45 win type thing every year with Trae than be absolutely awful and hope to one day be better
Atlanta need trade John Collins this coming offseason
This year Trae improve his defense, more intense and can steal.
His offensive efficiency also fell off a fucking cliff this year.
Ending with a 30 point performance on 28 shots in a home game elimination.
Fucking embarrassing that anyone thinks he will ever be good enough to lead a championship caliber team.
I could just imagine trae watching this and slamming his desk everything he hears the words “ so bad ____” lmao
They'll let trae get more time with Snyder before they trade him
Sure keep the average talent on the team never make the playoffs and blame it all on trae in retro. Sixers did the same with Iverson. Oh yeah murray is a problem when he nearly kills their season because he has a beef with a ref. Young saved them tonight and there are desperate people trying to claim otherwise. By the way young was hurt in the 2021 ecf too but played through it. Hawks didn't win games without Giannis in there either. Sixers did choke but young killed them too
If the nets could get him for no crucial players I could see real potential there but who knows if they’re even interested. He could be useful for a few teams but it just depends what players they’d have to give up in return.
If the Nets trade for him, Mikal Bridges is gonna get turned into a 3 and D wing again. Trae dominates the ball too much he needs some off-ball so he can play beside others better.
@@mod7065Mikal would still be the 2nd option he never going to go back to only being 3 and d
@@saibotshawdow5090 Yeah but to be a 2nd option, the 1st option has to be willing to play off ball and give up touches.
Trae still got 4 years left on his deal they definitely would have to give up some of their good players
@@saibotshawdow5090 Blud has the right idea. Until Trae develops some off-ball skills he will force almost everyone he plays with into a shooter or lob threat. I don't think the way he plays currently can lead the Hawks to a chip.
Wonder if Trae for Towns makes sense -- Hawks can ship out Capela (their defense wasn't that good) and shipping out Trae and starting Dejounte/ Bogdan/ Hunter/ Collins/ KAT can make for a good group with help around Towns. Wolves have the 18th ranked defense and 13th ranked offense but their spacing doesn't work; getting Trae can jumpstart their offense further while Gobert can be the man helping out defensively without coexisting next to Towns. Both have lengthy, big $ contracts.
Please take towns
I'm here after his shot against the Celtics
Imagine Trae Young as a back up point guard behind Luka and Kyrie 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Take a look at the top dozen or so scorers in the league and ask yourself who hasn't consistently gone deep in the playoffs. Note what they all have in common - they play no defense.
All he really needs is a Draymond.
Ironically him and Luka with Draymond would be a problem
perfect day to make this video!
Trae Young is the Deron Williams of today’s league. Once regarded as an All Star border-lining on superstar. Just like Williams issues with former Jazz coach Jerry Sloan was full of tension. Trae’s friction and attitude helped created tension in and around the team. Two coaches have been terminated from their positions. All of these issues have created levels of uncertainty about Trae’s future as a Hawk. It would not surprise me that TY gets traded somewhere else sometime this summer.
I could see him in the nets, I think they lack scoring? And maybe a point guard idk
I think they move Collins for a better passing, better defending 4, then see what happens and go from there.
Hawks wanted the next Steph Curry but forgot that Curry may look small but he's 6'3.
You fucking jinxed us ahhhhh 😅