Sennheiser Momentum 3 Wireless Review
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I am very confused by this review, because you seem to know what you are talking about in general, but it is like you have a different set of Momentum 3 than the rest of us. These sound better than pretty much every wireless headset I have tested (I haven't tried the Pandas, but those are also more money, less features, and if the M3 are 2nd best that ain't bad). The M3 sound deep, warm, wide, detailed, etc. They are one of the only pairs that have been able to give me a balanced, natural-leaning sound (after lowering bass in EQ) while also still giving me that goosebumps feeling in my music. As others have said, I'm wondering if you accidentally did your sound tests while ANC was enabled? Otherwise I just don't understand how you can say these headphones don't sound good, especially compared to the competition. In terms of being for "audiophile" types (which you say they are not), they are also one of the only ones in their class that not only allow 3.5mm jack connection, but also USB-C, and moreso the EQ settings actually save into the internal DSP and can be used while plugged in with 3.5mm jack, AND you can even power them off when using them wired to completely bypass the DSP and get a more flat, neutral sound. Curious if you tested or knew that. Compared to the XM3/4, which you can't even use them with 3.5mm jack because they are stuck in their overblown, muddy bass settings. I'm also confused how you can say the XM4 have less of a nasty V shape than these out of the box... that is literally not the case. The Xm4 are borderline unusable out of the box. Also just wondering if you got a bad pair or something, because your review honestly doesn't make sense or jive with what the vast majority of the audio/headphones community has experienced with these. Curious, outside of the Pandas, what do you think sounds better? CERTAINLY not the XM3/4 or anything else in the price range. Only thing I can think of is if you want a TRUE natural sound, you could get the much cheaper ATH-SR50BT, but as a general headphone they don't compare at all with the M3.
You’ve pretty much summarised every point I’ve picked up from other reviews. Need to give these things a listen for myself.
Don't know his set up. But out of the box mine was very v shaped (though not as sony's). After i got the update the sound changed dramatic. The same when i plugged it in with the usb-c cable. Unboxed the midsound was very flat. But i would never change my M3s for SONYs
I totally agree, these eat XM4 for breakfast
I have both just purchased the M3’s and also have AirPod Max’s. Listening critically I find the M3’s to have a less clinical sound - more lifelike than the APM. Do you find the M3’s benefit from reducing the bass (in the app) by -3decibels or more? I’m going to sell the APM (love the ANC and transparency mode) but sonically the M3’s are better and think. I also want to use the M3’s for mixing audio from nature sound field recordings in my studio. I know they aren’t a reference set of headphones but if I use USB C connection and turn off the noise cancelling etc could they work
@@scott2724 I lower the M3 down to as much as -5 or even -6db on the low for more detailed listening. Sometimes I bump it up for certain fun songs. I keep mids at 0 and sometimes bring the treble down a db or so to attempt to make them more neutral. They sound great, and the sound stage is insane for closed back. I wish the ANC was a little bit better. I ended up picking up a pair of HD 560S and they are so clinically detailed and amazing for $200 that I can't recommend them enough if you want neutral, detailed sound, especially for your audio mixing work. The M3 still sound great, though, and compared to lower end wireless headphones they are killer, and do sound good with direct connection and EQ, just not as clear as the 560S.
These recently got a 'High end sound tuning' option with the Smart Control app update, and it basically undoes the V-shape. With a simple toggle switch they now sound *a lot* more neutral than they do by default.
Does this mean that they'd also work for producing?
@@f52_yeevy I really like the new configuration, but I don't think is flat enough to use them for producing music
this high-end tuning is still very v-shaped - I would use eq.
@@marcinurban3197 No it's not. See rtings measurements.
@@АлексейШилин-д1ф i know rtings - and honestly as I listened to a lot of headphones they review - I don't have respect for their opinions ; )... measurments are awesome - but in headphone world as I learned they are in most cases not reflecting sound - as they should be. And finally reviewers are also not the best - they make mistakes - one day they prefer one sound another day other - one day - like Joshua - they prefer dark sound of LCD-X's and other - (for me - unlistenable because of painful highs - ARYA/ANANDA)... You can only sum opinions then take Your conclusions and the best thing - listen headphones by Yourself.
The color grading is different. I'm so used to the soft contrasty dark-ish vibe. Now it's more greeny/yellow-ish skin tones and a little flatter color profile overall. Still high class b-roll and camera work tho. Cheers!
Agree...a faint yellow tint , on skin tone mainly
Same here.
Agreed.
He must be using a Sony.
I had the xm4s and the sennheiser’s but ultimately decided to return the xm4s because I thought they were incredibly muddy sounding in comparison to the senns. I did get the Senns for 299 which is pretty good.
I'm using the Bowers and Wilkins px7, they are amazing! Very under rated pair
The Sony XM4 are basically unusable out of the box without an EQ, unless you just want thumpy bass for rap/edm/etc. I really wanted to like them, and tested them with games, movies, and music, and without an EQ I couldn't even watch a movie or play a game. In Cyberpunk all sounds were replaced with a droning hum of the background of the city, and in movies the male voices were so bassy that you couldn't even hear the music or other sound effects in the scene. Terrible. Really makes me wonder how Josh thinks the XM4 sound better out of the box, when anyone who is even a marginal audiophile thinks the XM4 are borderline unusable out of the box.
@@jeffdesharnais9668 I completely agree. I tried eq’ing mine to make them less of a disaster, but the treble became wayy too harsh. And yeah it was very surprising to see josh prefer the XM4s when they have the typical bass boosted consumer sound most audiophiles dislike. If all you care about is noise cancelling sure they’re good, otherwise, there are much better options for sonic fidelity.
@@jeffdesharnais9668 I agree with you! Using for 1 week and trying everything to like XM4. Some songs sound good with EQ, but others not! Tried Tidal, even Spotify. Even with nice features it doesn’t sound good enough for me, considering price and being over ear.
I’m returning it after one week
@@elijahalvarez1398 this guy likes even Bose over Sennheiser... Don’t know what to say :/
I would really love to have you go through a list of songs that you use to test headphones.
I concur!!
Same!
I’m sorry but are we taking about the same headphones? I have had pleasure to listen to most headphones in this price bracket ( xm4, Bose 700, mw65, b&w px7 ) and have to say that these sound the best to me. I understand sound is very personal but I have to point that whoever watches this review before you make purchase decision go and listen for yourself.
Same, i had the mw65 and m3, m3 sounded much better
I'm also confused as to the assessment of these headphones. I understand that Joshua might have a lot of experience looking at higher end headphones and it might make it harder to go back and test headphones that are not intended for that high of an audiophile range, but it seems to me that the detail, separation and response of these headphones are better than what he stated, at least based on how he compares them to other offerings. When the bass is eq'd down it really makes a difference in the tuning of these headphones, and I would have liked to hear him talk about this setting particularly. I noticed he was plugging in the jack to them, and they really sound terrible through this connection since it seems it's not enough to really power the headphone's drivers. If anything, they're much more detailed than the XM4 which I have also tried, and I have also tested the pandas and certainly have a better midrange as he states but with the eq and especially when wired, they are much more competitive compared to them when comparing detail and dynamics.
I think that the biggest question is if he tried them through USB-C since they do sound much more detailed and it really makes for a much more enjoyable listening experience. Yes, wiring wireless headphones is a self-defeating method but it is certainly worth mentioning when discussing sound quality. Just some thoughts, hope you see this Joshua!
100% agree on the detail, separation, and response when EQd to lower the bass. Best sounding wireless set on the market, IMO. Also, the soundstage blows the rest out of the water... compares with many of the open backs I've used.
I agree. His reviews usually line up fairly well with my impressions of headphones, but I completely disagree with much of what he had to say about the Momentum 3, especially in how they compare to the XM4's and Bose 700's.
The XM4 is good and in the same ballpark as the Momentum, once you fiddle with the EQ. It has decent drivers. But, it isn't more detailed and doesn't have better imaging or soundstage than the Momentum 3.
The Bose 700 sound is inferior to both the Momentum 3 and the XM4. Yes, out of the box it is better balanced...not as V shaped. But, that's about the only good thing I have to say about it. I bought a pair at launch, and returned them 5 days later. To me, they sounded artificial and lifeless. They also lacked detail. You can tell that Bose uses garbage drivers and then use software trickery to make them sound somewhat decent. That being said, they do have great noise canceling and the best microphones on any Bluetooth headphone.
@@edwinramos4910 agree with Edwin. I recently found how to set eq for a nice balance sound for xm4 and now they sound great... still I feel the sen are better
I really agree with William and Edwin. I do not know what Joshua was listening to. Did he have a defective pair of headphones? I know that Momentum 3 is not a perfect headphone. I have the HD650 and know what they sound like from a reasonable source, and the Momentum 3 is not that. It is unfair to compare headphones to something they were never supposed to be, nor are they trying to be. These are not wired headphones. They are not non-ANC headphones. They are Bluetooth wireless ANC headphones. Additionally, the detail retrieval is better than the Bose 700 on many levels, and the enjoyability of the music is significantly better. This is not just my opinion but the opinion of many reviewers. I did not wait for them before I got my pair - I had the Momentum 2 and got the Momentum 3 because I knew what the version 2 had sounded like. I was and remain impressed. All the limitation of the ANC and the battery life are built-in and obvious, but the sound quality is why to get these headphones - not a reason to avoid them. If what a person wants is Bluetooth headphone without ANC - I think there may be more cost-effective options, but for ANC headphones, you would be hard pushed to get better sound quality to my ears. More than that, they are objectively good sounding. Having listened to Joshua's review, a person may come away feeling that this is not the case. They sound good. And some might call them great - I find myself in that camp. Remember, I have good wired headphones and still feel that way. My ears, my opinion, but it is shared with many.
totally agree. bt headphones have separate, internal amps powering the drivers off the internal battery. that is how its meant to sound. if you plug it in you will get inferior sound. it will also respond better with the anc turned on, as thats how senn tunes it. these headphones blow every senny ive heard out of the water. i’ll only go back to my 6xx if i need something purposely dark.
Gotta disagree on the sound profile, mate. The bass is powerful but nowhere as muddy here as in the XM4, and can be easily adjusted by the EQ app. Overall sound profile is authoritative, and I found these to be very much at par with the much-beloved-by-audiophiles HD58X. While the 58X is open-backed and therefore naturally sounds a bit, well, open and a bit less bass-heavy, I find the sound signature on both to be pretty close. But yes, the 350 bucks does seem to be on the higher side, even though these are infinitely better built than the XM3/4s. $300 is about ideal for these, and that's what I got 'em for around Black Friday.
100% agree. Not sure how he came to this conclusion. Did he leave anc on while testing or not eq them at all?
248$ now
M3s are awesome, I’ve had mine 11months now and have heard the competition too and I still choose these. NURAPHONES are definitely comparable but obviously both worlds of bud and headphone in one.
Just got them for €199 :)
@@cky1909 yessssss got min3 for similar also
Awesome price
Literally just got these yesterday as an upgrade from the momentum 2s...incredible, best pair of headphones in the price range.. blah blah others do anc better.. im in it for that sennheiser audio quality...great construction and sheep skin leather 👌 😍 😎
I have m2s too and was thinking of upgrading, but to use them wired would wm1a balanced be enough? I read they're harder to drive wired
@@abrahanneyra1657 You could always just go with the USB-C cable if you want to use them wired. Probably the more efficient way of using them wired.
so DMS must've done a review on this recently?
edit: yep, see you all in 5 months at Z's review
these came out last year and i have been using them since they launched and i think its good sounding and works well for me. the dumpy bass is okay. to compare i have a hd6xx and an audeze lcd 2 and still like these but of course those are not wireless. For the most part if you are not super critical this is pretty okay but if you get this stick o rings on the sliders.
@@trbwhocares8127 Bring your EQ down -6b on bass and leave the rest and they impress a lot. Love these things.
@@cronus33 I like buying things based on what they sound like not what I can make them sound like. But if I ever get an hd 800 I will mod because some say it can get as good detail as an abyss
I seriously suspect you only listened with the ANC on or in passive wired mode or something. Otherwise, I am truly baffled. Are we even listening to the same headphone? The only thing I agree with you is the overblown bass which can be easily tamed using the app provided. Btw the eq profile is stored in the headphones so you only need to set it on one device and it applies to all, even ones which do not support the app.
100%, I am wondering the same thing. Something isn't right with his headphones or how he tested.
I'm pretty sure the only reason he hates these is because DMS liked them
Does the EQ profile apply when using them with the 3.5mm cable into my MacBook? Would the profile be active?
6:06 Is that a FortNine video I see :D
He's a man of culture
yo I checked that too
This SENNHEISER MOMENTUM 3 is better than AIRPODS MAX when it comes to SOUNDING 👍😅
Wow!! I guess sound is subjective...imo these are amazing!!
Did this guy really just say the xm4 sound better? And follow that up with “this is targeted to someone who wants Bluetooth” the point of bt is fucking convenience at the sacrifice of Audio Lol and as the owner of both, if you think the xm4 sound better, stop making audiophile TH-cam video
I don't know how you can dislike these so much. You got a bad pair or just heard them through aux cable. The detail and instrument separation is pretty impressive, and taming the bass a little on the app gives a lot of quality. Maybe not compared to other 400 usd headphones, but a competitive 200 usd cabled plastic sound with bluetooth, anc and metal and leather construction.
Exactly
Josh - Use the EQ to bring these down -6db on the bass, then put on Strive or Down Home or anything from "Sessions from the 17th Ward" by Amber Rubarth and tell me these are not impressive headphones. With this EQ they are sonically competitive with anything in the price range for this type, and the soundstage kills the competition. It honestly rivals some of my open back headphones for soundstage.
this video ended more abruptly than the relationship with my dad. nice video anyways
I am sorry but I do have both Sony and momentum’s and did listen to Bose and I cannot disagree more with what you said. Momentum do stuffer from too much base ( by a lot) , but with simple EQ tweak they sound fun, engaging but super coherent for NC headphones. In comparison Sony sound dull and very artificial to my ears
Anybody that equates the Sony Xm4 and Bose 700 to the Sennheiser for sound quality has no ear for music and is just spouting his own preferences.
The review I was waiting for ... but ... I'm already listening with them :)
A little update, since I'm using the headphones with a MacBook Pro mainly.
I've experienced somewhat increased latency, for regular music listening it was irrelevant but noticeable and annoying when watching videos, so I've started investigating and apparently sometimes macOS (Big Sur 11.1 in my case) defaults to SCO or SBC codecs - instead of AAC - and the audio quality seems to suffer.
Since forcing the audio codec to AAC, the sound quality seems better and the latency improved. I believe this applies to most bluetooth headphones.
A good explanation for this and some fixes can be found here:
appletoolbox -> bluetooth-headphones-sound-issues-macbook-fix/
gist.github -> dvf/3771e58085568559c429d05ccc339219
plus a myriad of other sources
@@SilviuBucsa how loud are they? I want the loudest bluetooth headphone
@@sayemak99 they’re loud enough.. but the sound quality becomes worse the louder they are, especially beyond 60% volume
@@SilviuBucsa makes sense, most audio devices including speakers get distorted when played at high volumes. But again there are exceptions. The AirPods Max don’t get distorted at max volume though
@@sayemak99 I haven't tested AirPods Max ... but I can assume they have some built in protections and their max volume capped as to avoid distortion, either via their firmware or when playing from an Apple device.
The "v-shape" thing is what I don't get here this time as the measurements that I have seen so far (rtings e.g.) are not that v-shaped! The Momentum 3 definitely have quite a boosted bass in their stock EQ setting but the highs are not particularly raised at all if you look at their frequency response graph while the mids are fairly flat.
rtings also measured:
Bass Amount: 2.01db
Treble Amount: -1.27db
My EQ settings in the Sennheiser app are:
-2db on bass
0db on mids
and even +1db in the highs
It is seriously like this guy got a different pair of headphones in his M3 box than the rest of the audio world.
Yea, I saw Jim's review of these headphones on you tube with a sound comparison demo and the Sony xm4 was way bassier than the momentum x3.
I just saw on ratings they have an upcoming review for a momentum x3 true wireless.
They also have a graph for a momentum x3 wireless.
I'm wondering if senn. has two xm3's, one called wireless and another called"true" wireless.
@@garyluciani1082 XM3 = Sony
Momentum 3 = Sennheiser (over ear)
Momentum True Wireless 3 = Sennheiser (In Ear)
Fabio de feo: yea, I got it sorted out now.
It's my understanding that those numbers for bass amount and treble amount on rtings are an overall average.
If you look at the frequency response graph, almost all of the sub and midbass is 5db above the line.
The treble starts to rise at 7khz. And reaches a maximum of about 7db above the the line.
Sort of v-shaped, although not an extreme v- shape.
your B-roll is god level my guy
you think his b-roll is god level? go watch some of Daniel Schiffer's b-rolls
Pretty sure the headphones where broken, the sennheiser momentum 3's sound way better than the sony and bose competitors.
It's very weird to hear this, and as I've got both these and the Pandas, and the two are very close to each other in the way that they are both very much clearer than the XM4 - 700 counterparts, which I also happen to own
Between the M3 and Panda, while the Panda ends up producing slightly more detail and clarity and also having more of a flat sound, the M3 has a wider soundstage and more punch in the bass department, however I wouldn't call it bleedlike or muddy in any way so I'll have to disagree with you there
You make good points. I have M3’s and also AirPods Max (which I’m going to sell). M3’s have better sound stage and more true to life sound. By comparison the AirPods Max sound clinical and relatively lifeless. I’ve had the Bose and Sony’s and not my taste at all. I prefer more towards an audiophile sound. I even enjoy some reference studio headphones
Also review
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which has all high end codecs.. LDAC, AptX HD & AptX.. and BT 5.0. many said it has almost a sort of reference 🎧 sound to it.
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BT 5.0, AptX HD & different driver than many BT headphones.. a paper fiber cone driver with a neodymium magnet just like their speakers.
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BT 5.0, Planar drivers with LDAC.
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Amazing luxury design with cool dial controls, BT 5.0 & AptX Adaptive codec.
Please take a look at the Shure's new wireless headphones. Against the Panda's...
You said that about how it sounds, and i respect you as an audiophile, but basically every other reviewer (general tech reviewer or an audio reviewer) said that this have the best sound(soundstage, how it tuned, etc) compared to the other consumer grade premium headphones including the Airpods max ...
Can u plz review Audeze Penrose? 🙏
I like your reviews keep doing the good work! Would you please recommend an audiophile grade(ish) wireless headphones, not looking for any ANC or features but good audiophile sounding BT over-ear headphones.
I did a "after 6 months" review on my channel. I love these headphones!
I do as well. Very confused how and why his experience is what he says it was. Honestly makes no sense.
I love mine too, this review is off the mark, Sennheiser didn't just suddenly forget how to make excellent headphones. I listen to HD650s with a tube amp also and obviously the momentum isn't there, but wireless Bluetooth, and closed back so I can listen in the office is excellent and the comment by Josh "the momentum 3 is for people that don't care about sound quality" is ridiculous.
Did Sennheiser not stroke him enough? Did he forget to turn it on? LOL xm4 and bose sounds better? Well the Bose does have good spatial audio and instrument separation. But more narrow in sound stage buddy.
Really dude??? so i think you should wear earing aids..not to listen headphones..
Ughh... I often watch your reviews and generally like them, but this time no, I think you not only fell short in reviewing the Momentum, but absolutely missed the mark placing the Sonys and Boses ahead, nah not fair. Nothing is more bass headed as the XM4 and, Bose could not be more artificial. That said, we're talking about Bluetooth for street walking or airplane dozing with noise canceling, so the boxy bass of the Sonys is OK and likely people will not care or be able to tell the difference, and when they can, maybe prefer to go for Sony or Bose because they they are mainstream, just look at reviews in Amazon. Now, plug the Momentum wire to a Hifimen Sparrow or THX Onyx with zero noise canceling and sure, not going to be the HD6XX, but I would hope you could not hold either that the XM4 or the 700 are better! =)
I believe audio perception is subjective and that's why you don't like this ones. Been working with them for years and I totally disagree with your opinion. Seems like you just have a personal thing against the brand or something cause I feel this review is 90% inaccurate.
Honestly the momentum3 is better than the sony xm3/xm4 😯
I have/had the qc35/xm3/momentum3/px7/h9i. Sound wise the momentum px7 and b&o are a class above xm3 and qc3 but the xm3 and bose are more practical to use all around. Also all the above mentioned are not what you call flat HP except bose but they can sound really boring sometimes. Depends what you like for on the go i guess
Well that's strange. Usually i tend to agree with your appreciation Josh but i perceive theses phones quite a bit different. I bought mine a year ago, at the time the competition at the store where the sony xm3 and the bose that came before the 700, back then i tried them all and considered the momentum 3 had them both beat on instrument separation and resolution. That been said I agree the default bass response is over blown and muddy, even with the saturated bass i wouldn't call them V Shaped though, voices are still pushed forward over the treble, it just so happens that the bass veils them. Once they added the band equaliser i found that subtracting 1 on the low and adding 1 on the highs grants quite a bit of soundstage, I encourage you to give it a try if you still have them around. My biggest complain with them is that for me the headband creates a hotspot rather quick. So, i too am somewhat disappointed by them but even then i think they still have better technical performance than the sony and bose, don't know about the pandas. What i find rather interesting about these is that Sennheiser prioritised giving them aptx low latency over HD, which in turn makes me wonder if the default sound signature was tailored towards watching movies
Totally agree. No idea what is uo with his experience, because it sounds like he is testing a different pair of headphones than others. Bizarre.
Agree this is the first reviewer who says mid range on these is bad ..sounds like he is from a different world ..as he said he is not the target audience for this headphone ..better don't do such reviews..not sure what a viewer will gain from this
When you say subtracting 1 on bass eq and add 1 on treble eq, do you mean 1db or in the app move the slider down to the first line below center
@@scott2724 1db as measured by the app
Oluv swears by the anker q30 (after eq) been wondering what the other audio guys think about those...
They look great in my opinion. Especially in White.
There must be some affect of difference in connections, build consistency or seal because the reviews for these are so mixed.
I find it was the opposite where the detail, soundstage and imaging were better than XM4, superior to the NC700 which I found to be very 2D and low Res. The Momentum was not far off the 58X in an A B comparison.
I'm blaming build consistency cause I normally find all the reviewers I've seen to be very reliable. Then again that really doesn't help Sennheisers case if they can only make some of them good lol.
As others have said, I am wondering if he accidentally tested these with ANC enabled.
@@jeffdesharnais9668 to be honest the quality is not that much worse with it on, it's still a decent sound and it's designed to be used that way so I don't blame him for testing with it on. But seeing so many widely different opinions on it's technical performance, (other reviewers included) there's definitely something going on.
These things are $217 on Amazon today!!
I don't get it. Sony and Sennheiser make FANTASTIC headphones in terms of sound. So do plenty of other companies. But there really aren't good wireless headphones in terms of sound. Look I'm just a guy and I'm sure those companies have done market research, but I'm almost certain if sennheiser made a headphone that even got close to the HD 58X or 6XX, but closed back and with ANC, they would be a MASSIVE market threat. People think they like bloated bassy headphones because they've never heard better and mainstream wireless headphones just keep going with it.
damn he watches fortnine ;)
one of the best motorcycle youtubers out there, if not the best
Any comparisons between these and the pcx 550 ii?
I received these as a Christmas gift. I already had the Sony XM4. I use both regularly. I likely wouldn't have pursued these on my own. I prefer wired headphones and actually have a few pairs of Sennheisers. I mainly use Bluetooth where convenience is the priority. One thing I absolutely despise on my Sony's is the touch controls because I unintentionally pause or change tracks. However, I've tried disabling the touch control but when connected to my laptop, I didn't like not being able to adjust my volume if I was a few feet away. The Sennheiser Momentum has some software quirks that are outright annoying. One is the active noise canceling. It will cycle to a lower setting if there's a period of inactivity, and then re-engage when media begins to play. The other issue occurs when connected to two devices simultaneously. I will use these connected to my tablet while on my treadmill. They are also connected to my phone, which is in my pocket. If I receive a push notification on my phone, the video playing on my tablet will pause and this can interrupt my workout. These two things are what I consider to be significant software problems. There needs to be an update so you can turn these features off for future use.
You didn't talk about the controls on the side, comfort, ear cups, design or connectivity... you briefly mentioned a few of these. Would have been nice to get your thoughts on these.
For me the controls are organic and easy to use and natural ( old Skool ) You can feel the. Buttons which I prefer. I use mine everyday and love them
Still have my 6/7 Year old Momentum 1 till this day and use them daily butnever got myself to get this never model and go to bluetooth on the cost of sound quality and they still hold up, thanks for the review, I like your generell take on it
If you'd ever do a like ´retro´review of the momentum 1 i'd think i'll like it still amazed on how good these old cans (not just them but in generel [HD600])hold up and how cheap they get
It would be interesting to know how the 1 and 3 compare once the bass has been turned down on the 3s and while using them wired.
Sound quality is actually better then in Bose and in Sony, dude who paid you?
Would be curious to see your opinion on the PCX 550 ii. Which is considered the most neutral wireless headphone and good sound quality. Yet I never hear mentioned or compared probably because it's half the price lol.
okay but why does every reviewer say opposite things about these headphones?
Gold planar gl2000 review please 🙏
Best head phones Ive ever used
Better than crossfade 2 wireless?
I bought these around 2-3 months ago. I really like the sound and the looks. If im just sitting around the comfort for me is also great but personaly the clamping force is not high enough. If i am doing something like picking up stuff or sitting up to fast i get worried that they are gonna slide off never happened to me before but the feeling is there. There is just one thing that drives me insane, if i have ANC disabled and i stop the music i hear a tiny little squeaky noise in the right cup, bottom right, like a sensor adjusting, dont know what it is, cant find it online maybe i just had bad luck with the unit (Problem is gone when i turn on ANC). Overall i really like them.
Got them for 270 on Sale
I think I know what your talking about. Is it like a small high pitch radio frequency in your ear cup, because that's what I hear in my SM3s.
Thanks for reviewing these. I have used them and found the sound to be the most "silky" among the XM4 and B&W PX7 but they need to be driven near max vol for the bass response to really thump. I love the bass output on these. I understand how you may not like it but for us plebians, it is probably the best bass emphasised headphone comparing to the Sony , Bose and B&W.
If you turn the bass down 2-4db in the EQ, they sound amazing and great for a more "audiophile" signature. Wondering if he tried this.
Regarding Drop + Pandas: unless style is a factor, I don't see why most people wouldn't just go for Audio-Technica M50xBTs if they don't need ANC. They sound ten times better than most Bluetooth headphones (including Sony's flagships) and can be had all day for $100-150 on eBay. The worst thing I can say about them is the headband vinyl wears out and is difficult to replace, but that's true of all but the most utilitarian of studio headphones (i.e. HD 280s and DT 770s).
Were you having a bad day? Oh, the lighting on your video wasn't quite right? Frankly, your review consists of 10 minutes of bad-mouthing what is one of the best headphones out there for sound. I've had the XM3 and the PXC550ii and the sound on the Momentum 3 is simply lush in comparison.
Check out my review here th-cam.com/video/TfeaaTPihU0/w-d-xo.html&lc=UgxGntIdp0bpWp8MrCV4AaABAg
Hey Joshua i’ve been waiting for this review from you for a while, and i’m glad it’s finally here. I’m wondering for how long did you let these headphones burn in? I have these headphones and i can say at first they were kinda unusable; after about 10 minutes it was too fatiguing to continue listening. The bass was super over-bloated and the highs were tingly. Regarding your comment: “out of the box this thing is just terribly V-shaped” and the other various similar comments throughout the video it seems accurate of the headphones before they’ve properly been burned in (for me like 30 hours). After that period they opened up quite a bit and have better resolution. Also for me i feel they are a vocal-forward headphone, rather than a V-shape. I just wanted to let you know so you can give them another chance for a more accurate assessment, that is, if you didn’t let them burn in. Anyway thanks and keep up the awesome work. (10/10 cinematography, as usual)
Burn in doesn't exist, stop fooling yourself.
Agree with you, same questions
@@dannybos7024 Proof?
@@mattrismatt If a headphone needs 200 hours of use case before it's actually usable, that's bad product design. Look around.
@@dannybos7024 So burn does exist? Look around for what?
im used xm3 and when i change it to momentum 3 i was happy - sony crap
My word, son. I don't get it, why he likes the sound of the Sony XM4 more. The Sonys are the best example for muddy overdone bass... The Momentums have bass, too. But really well done with quite enough resolution...
@@kianag6692 absolutle agree with you, may be sony just paid more:)
@@kianag6692 The Sony sound nice when you EQ them, but otherwise are literally UNUSABLE for anyone who doesn't want just muddy bass. I even tried them with movies, and I couldn't hear any dialogue or background sounds, just droning bass.
@@jeffdesharnais9668 they suck with the EQ and app customisations. Muddy and bassy asf, they aren’t even loud enough,their peak is 105 decibels while airpods pro reaches 109 decibels. I want a headphone which reaches atleast 110 decibels, I assume sennheisers are loud enough for my liking
You reviewers all do the same headphones at the same time. What is it, one pair for all of you to listen and tryout? I'm still waiting on the Austrian Audio Hi-X55 review. All wireless headphones reviews...The sound sucks, noise canceling is not perfect, and the switches are all on the wrong side or don't work very well. That is a description of all wireless headphone reviews and I haven't even watched this one. They are all the same. How about that Austrian Audio Hi-X55 review?
Dear Joshua - nice video. Which is currently the best audiophile blue tooth headphones under £1000? Panda thx are not freely available. I am not concerned about noise cancellation etc, only the sound quality. Please advise, much appreciated
Tired JBL club, Bose 700 and the momentum 3 is the only one that fits me. The others had to small of ear cups.
Same
These headphones are so awful and shame on any reviewer that promoted them as anything close to decent!
Do not get them by the reviewer‘s I was expecting these to be very good but they are horrible in comparison The apple wired earbuds sound better EQed!
compare it with its peers(XM4, NC700) sq wise not drop panda. no matter how good passive closed back isolation drop panda have, it can never beat anc in noisy environment.
Just need to be a little careful with these spring-loaded unfolding head-phones. The sharp metallic corner at the folding edge nearly took a chunk out of my left-hand index finger about 5 minutes ago. The metallic corner is sharp (just check it out for yourself when the left-head phone is folded by running the finger gently over the sharp corner bits) ---- and I'm sure that other unwary people may get pinched too on the finger in the same way. That's because the spring-load snap-out action can catch us by surprise if not careful. I only just got it out the box for testing. Audio is good. Noise cancellation is great.
Well the sonnys and especially the bose are waaaaaay worse then these. How cant he hear that? I mean surely they are worse than my iBasso dx300 combined with the ibasso it07 iems but still they are quite good and better that many other popular wireless headphones on the market. Sonnys are too bassy and not sophisticated at all. The bose are crap, so there is no way to compare them to the momentums 3. I really dont get how the people who supposed to know something about the audio cant hear the quality difference which is very obvious.
Whatchu mean alright build?!?, Stainless steel and sheep skin leather not good enough??
Terrible sound quality?? Did you put them on your head??
Bias af revue
What camera are you using now? A7Siii?
Amongst headfirst and and audiocience croud the momentum 3 sound a lot better than either of the Sony high end ANC. The panda thx is such an overhyped product
Bro, to state the 700's sound better is crazy. I think you may have picked up a defective pair of Momentums.
These do not sound good. Sharp in the s region. Bass is good, phone calls sound amazing. But I didn't like the way they sounded overall
dam you are so wrong they sound way better then the xm4's and even better then the bose nc700. The fact that you don't hear that makes me worried about your judgment.
This is the best headphones for bass and overall sound quality anytime better than xm4/xm3s and Bose 700
I kinda agree with the initial impressions, then the update came with high-end sound tuning and these became my go to headphones. My HD650 and Audeze LCD2 (Bamboo) are more resolving and have more finesse, but I cannot take any of them to the beach, or camping without brining a bunch of other gears, laptop, DAC AMP etc. so for the everyday person, I think these sound just fine, but aesthetically, I find them beautiful to look at.
M&D MW 65, review it! Beryllium coated drivers, pretty sure it’s not pure. Really want a knowledgeable review of them
I have Momentum 2 over ear, tested Sony's XM3 and they sound pretty bad compared to the Momentums. My next headphones will also be Momentum. Also I've abused them terribly for 3.5 years, and they still work perfectly.
The 3s are definitely an upgrade
I love them
@@paulnelson3802 finally got the 3rd and gave my 2 to my nephew
Yesss
Awesome aren’t they
I use mine at the gym everyday too ( made the mistake of using them once and have had to ever since ) 😂
How do you like the sound when it is wired to say android, iPhone or computer?
Really like my M3 Wireless and the M2 TWS and as per me the sound quality and soundstage beat the other consumer USD300-400 easily out of box. Using the 3 slider EQ can make them better. ANC is not that good but then I don't care. 😎
We need to see an audiophile level wireless headphone that still has those feature sets. I feel that the market is too orientated towards bass, but if they pushed for a more flat soundstage and just made the sound quality better im sure it would drag people in. I have nothing wrong with bass, if its done right. But if it becomes too V shaped, you lose that immersion and miss out on the experience of feeling like your in the room with the artist
These vs Drop Pandas. Which is better? Go.
He answered it in the video. I would like a comparison against Penrose.
What do you want? Really good looking headphones with decent audio? This for sure.
Headphones with actually good audio? drop panda.
I've just posted a comment on the Pandas under this video. They sound amazing, but at least I can't have them on my head for 2 hours straight because of the uncomfortable headband which is a shame.. Kinda sad, that a 400$ headphone can be that poorly designed.
He covers that in the video.
I just wanted to know if people thought the sound quality outweighed the comfort issues. Should've been more specific.
For anyone reading here regarding build quality of sennheiser momentum. I have the very first generation of sennheiser over-ear headphones and they have been everywhere... trains, flights... long office hours... stuffed in bags without its included case... still works super fine. Even the original cable it came with with in-line controles. Even the left/right height adjustment as it was the day i got them. I dropped them on hard floor several times... Still no cracks, no nothing.. Build quality is 10/10 with sennheiser momentum.
FUCK. I heard this the other day and was BLOWN AWAY, never heard something as detailed in every single aspect as this. I can't even imagine how the crazy $500+ headphones and amps you normally try must sound
It’s probably in steps like, first you heard the melody, with these the whole song, next up is noticing that guy 12 feet to the left from the microphone who is scratching his eyebrow.
Edit: thats what my koss/massdrop esp95x’s do for me, and there are steps up from that.
@@max-6035 yeah... but i still feel like if you are going to compare every car to a fucking ferrari then a new 2021 corolla is still a piece of shit in a review of this guy. It's ok comparing it to high end audio, but this is NOT a bad headphone as he is describing it here.
Ah subjectivitiy is such a beautiful and strange thing. I've heard reviews that say these are better sounding then the competition, and you saying they are the worst.
I guess it really all depends on the person.
Agreed. I have heard a few in shop:
AIRPOD MAX ( found them not as great sounding ) this was last week.
XM4s ( to my ears, muddy and just did nothing for me, friend agreed )
NURAPHONES ( which a friend had at the gym ) I had a 10minute use while he used mine, now they rival the M3s in all honesty, in a different way, as you kind of have both worlds. Buds in your ear and over ear headphones together and they sounded awesome, but I just love the feeling of the bass with my M3s and the airy sound, but definitely worth having a listen to I would say, without a doubt.
I still love my Momentum 3s the most. I have had them a year now and if I thought anything sounded better, I would give my honest opinion and say so. As stated above ( to my ears ) the NURAPHONES were the only ones on par with the M3s, for sound purely ( all the others were better for noise cancellation) but the M3s do a fairly decent enough job for me. Only time I notice the noice cancellation more so, I when the music stops playing or u play your music low and the gyms playing the music loud.
Sorry about the waffling but hope this helps anyone comparing or thinking of purchasing headphones.
had these and disliked them just went to change them out for the sony xm5 and its been great!!
My momentum 2 AEBT were fantastically built and handsome. I liked the features and sound quality. I couldn't wear them for long though due to the hot, small, closed earcups and the criminally under padded headband.
that intro was SICK!! also, what audio track was that?
As an owner of the drop pandas.. i love almost everything about the pandas except for the headband. After 1-2 hours they kinda start getting really uncomfortable. Is there any generic leather headband on the market that could be attached to them?
You could probably look into the Dekoni nuggets which you stick to the headband. Seems to be what most people go for
@@bagadoink thanks for the hint! :)
Have them, love them, best BT on the market. Momentum 3 Josh. Yes great camera angles too.
Does anyone know what this headphone sounds like when used with the wire? Sennheiser headphones sometimes sound better wired than unwired.
A Beautiful headphpone
These are under $250 now. Best deal in 2022!
point 1: 2 different color of the shirt in 1 video? wow! ;-)
Why don't you review the Bowers & Wilkins PX7 carbon edition?
Codec! Codec! Codec! What did we expect? Hi Resolution? I mean with this pair of Headphones the most we could get is CD quality even with aptX! The only time I can really notice a huge improvement is when I connect the device with the Macbook Pro to listen to Apple Music and the most I get is 32-bit 44.1khz. And that is when I enjoy wearing them for hearing instruments and sounds and at times being in that moment in the Studios. Now I need an upgrade! But it has to be through bluetooth V5 and there are not that many around these days. Apple AirPod Max? I am using an Android Galaxy S10 Plus. Then there is the Sony WH-1000XM4. What else? Could we come up with a better an alterntive for Bluetooth lovers instead please… Happy New Year 2022 Everyone, and Very Sexy!
A pair of cans for under $100 are the win. Even under $50. Can get decent sound and ANC. You're not getting headphones that are so much better to justify the high prices. I've bought budget and high end so that's just how I feel about it.
Hey👋
You should look into HD820 & pair it with MHA150 or MHA200, if you got some extra money to spend, I would defenetly went with the Orpheus😉
One of the stills shows them plugged in with the 3.5mm audio cable. This might explain why you disliked their sound (for the price). Did you plug them into an amp when using them like that? If not, you definitely should have, the impedance is a bit too high to achieve full quality straight from the audio source.
The black ones are $240 on Amazon right now.
I'm daily using Audeze LCD-X and have for portable use Sony 1000xm3 and Koss Porta Pro and sometimes I use HD600 (had also HD660S)... and now just bought Momentum 3 - for me Momentums 3 are crushing Sony in bass and treble quality and scene and imaging... Now I can listen music and don't feel that I'm loosing a lot. I use EQ - -5dB on Bass + 4dB Mids and -2dB on Highs. (eq on those was quite great - not destroying sound) On sony's eq is not sufficient to make them good - You loose muddy bass but then there is no detail on bass and highs... and You are left with midrange. As I love great vocals - not detailed claustrophobic highs and boomy bass on SONY is just too much. Midrange is also great on Momentum 3 but not as forward as on Sony's and LCD-X. Considering You get detailed image of music I'm listening - I can live with a little recessed vocals. To be honest I would choose Momentum 3 over hd600 - for fun sound. I can recommend Momentum
Really appreciate the time that you put into this video. Of note though, there are no knowledgeable audiophiles giving credence to Bose, Sony and especially not Apple with all of one “entry” of any note in the field. Drop panda is higher caliber. Really wish they had noise cancellation. But most audiophiles gravitate towards Bang and Olufsen, Bower and Wilkins, Shure, and if you’re on a budget, Sennheiser is great if you know your way around an EQ. Thank you and best of luck to your channel.