Two quick notes! 1) Someone mentioned in the comments you actually don't need to stretch the loop before converting to REX, and this is absolutely true! You can skip this step entirely, unless you want to quantize the loop first. 2) This is not the same as slice mode in Mimic, where you get one slice per key. This groups multiple slices onto a single key, similar to Live's Simpler in warp + grid mode. I could/should have made this clearer in the video!
I've been with Reason since 2.5 and this is that rare video where I learn something entirely new in Reason. You're the man Paul! You asked a commenter below for ideas on videos we'd like to see from you going forward. I would love a tutorial from you on how you use automation in your music. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge with the rest of us!
Imagine if they updated Recycle with a feature set that went head-to-head with modern sample chopping software, gave it a dark theme, and added it to Reason with print-to-track with a single click for looping in the lane, and have an instrument mode for preview. And it would do all the sample chopping/time stretching stuff. Just go head-to-head with Serato Sample, inside the Reason Rack. They could still sell the stand-alone version to people who don't want Reason. That would raise the value proposition of Reason a whole lot. I'd buy that. That's a Reason upgrade I'd buy in a second.
Nice tutorial, but perhaps worth mentioning after bouncing to a REX loop, you can also use Dr OctoRex which can automatically extract the MIDI triggering to track (which you can then re-order) and also lots of possibilities for changing pitch, filter, slice panning etc. Similarly, the slice mode in Mimic is great for mangling up loops, although currently there's no way to extract the MIDI of the original loop AFAIK....but it has the advantage of time-stretching individual slices. Lots of fun to be had!
Yeah I think it's just having everything split by even divisions, 4/8/16, so the sub-slices within a beat are all triggered at once. I wish Mimic could do this off the bat. But as I say, maybe a new instrument in the future could do this!
Thanks. I really like your Reason insights, work-arounds and tips - I have some of your Groove3 vids - clear and concise. Do you have any mastering videos ? - (with or without Reason).
This is the hardest and long way of sample slicing in reason. There’s a handful of much quicker and easier ways.. and none of them involve the kong. I haven’t opened that thing in years.
I should’ve clarified if you want tempo matched equal slicing. You can just chop the audio into 8/16 and chuck it in an nn or whatever but you’re locked into the tempo you bounce the sample at.
i was thinking of the same thing...like just drop the sample.Line it up with tempo for quick slicing then convert to rex loop.lol.This video shows u how to fly from new jersey to new york with a connecting flight through california.😂
@@DrumzGaloreif you just wanna trigger individual slices, yes. If you want to chop a tempo matched loop into 4/8/16 equal parts, then there is currently no other way in reason (without using serato).
Thank you! There seems to be some confusion over how this differs to Mimic or just using OctoRex so I could’ve compared them to make the point a bit clearer. Glad you liked it though!
It’s funny; I just looked into your Groove3 Reason tutorial, where you covered this. However, I was looking for your Blamsoft Distributor chapter to play different synths on different key presses. Do you remember that? A new song from Trentemoller called Dreamweavers intro is just doing that - I'm trying to figure out if I could do that with the method you provided!
@@PaulOrtiz It’s working with the VSTs in reason, and in Chapter 6, The Combinators Part 2 -you connected a blame soft distributor and four serum Synths - on each keypress, it goes to a different synth patch. Do you remember now?
@@PaulOrtizThanks! Your knowledge and the tutorials are the best in the market! Please do more; perhaps start a membership in this channel. I'll gladly pay for that. Complex-1 tutorials would be excellent to begin with. Cheers
I for one miss the old f8 window. The things I used the most were all expanded and ready to go and I knew the tools inside out. The swap has slowed me down quite a bit but if this is just the start then it'll take the edge off the time it's taking to get used to it. There are certain things another DAW can do and I hope this change paves the way for seeing them in Reason.
I don't think it's necessary to stretch it to x bars first if you're going to slice by transient - as long as you know the loop is the right length, should still work. I'm with you though, really wish there was a better way of doing this - REX is a one way process, no way to adjust slice markers after the fact in case they didn't land properly (very annoying). Also this method does not work for non-transient material that doesn't have 16 or more auto detected slices (like you grabbed a pad loop or something).
I'm sorry man but can you tell us how you painted in those notes at 3:38? You seemed to use keyboard shortcuts but I can't figure out what they are. Thanks
Great vid and but its convoluted, the methodology to achieve what is today a common thing. They need to come to 2024. A lot of this stuff is just a right click option in a sampler or loop player in other daws and vsts. And mimic still can't change bpm tempos with in program sliced wav loops. 2024.
Awesome, but please consider using different scaling for such videos. Most people will watch them on laptops or even phones, so lots of detail editing & tweaks is hardly visible like this :)
In Mimic you can't conform the loop to the project tempo (you have to manually adjust the playback speed). You also can only trigger one slice per key. This method lets you split all the slices up into 4/8/16 chunks, like Simpler in Live. So it's not the same. I wish Mimic had this mode.
It's absolutely ridiculous you cant time stretch a loop, and chop it in mimic. You cant affect individual slices either. Such a strange omission that makes it just worthless for sampling.
It was a missed opportunity IMO. Sadly there isn't much precedent for devices receiving massive overhauls or updates. Parsec, RV7000 and OctoRex are the only ones I can think of. As it is I think we'd need a new device. I'm aware there might also be plugins that just do this without any additional steps required. I'm still looking for an elegant solution though. Groove Agent SE can do it but it's fiddly and there's lots of setup required. I've tried Serato in the past but didn't get on with it. I just want Simpler in Reason basically.
Two quick notes!
1) Someone mentioned in the comments you actually don't need to stretch the loop before converting to REX, and this is absolutely true! You can skip this step entirely, unless you want to quantize the loop first.
2) This is not the same as slice mode in Mimic, where you get one slice per key. This groups multiple slices onto a single key, similar to Live's Simpler in warp + grid mode. I could/should have made this clearer in the video!
When Paul talks, I listen. period!
Real talk though.
I've been with Reason since 2.5 and this is that rare video where I learn something entirely new in Reason. You're the man Paul! You asked a commenter below for ideas on videos we'd like to see from you going forward. I would love a tutorial from you on how you use automation in your music. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge with the rest of us!
Great idea! Automation is one of the things I wanna cover in my Reasons I love Reason video. So that's coming soon, probably next week.
@@PaulOrtizis Reason your main DAW you use ???
Imagine if they updated Recycle with a feature set that went head-to-head with modern sample chopping software, gave it a dark theme, and added it to Reason with print-to-track with a single click for looping in the lane, and have an instrument mode for preview. And it would do all the sample chopping/time stretching stuff. Just go head-to-head with Serato Sample, inside the Reason Rack. They could still sell the stand-alone version to people who don't want Reason. That would raise the value proposition of Reason a whole lot.
I'd buy that. That's a Reason upgrade I'd buy in a second.
Nice tutorial, but perhaps worth mentioning after bouncing to a REX loop, you can also use Dr OctoRex which can automatically extract the MIDI triggering to track (which you can then re-order) and also lots of possibilities for changing pitch, filter, slice panning etc. Similarly, the slice mode in Mimic is great for mangling up loops, although currently there's no way to extract the MIDI of the original loop AFAIK....but it has the advantage of time-stretching individual slices. Lots of fun to be had!
Yeah I think it's just having everything split by even divisions, 4/8/16, so the sub-slices within a beat are all triggered at once. I wish Mimic could do this off the bat. But as I say, maybe a new instrument in the future could do this!
Thanks. I really like your Reason insights, work-arounds and tips - I have some of your Groove3 vids - clear and concise. Do you have any mastering videos ? - (with or without Reason).
Excellent explanation, would love more Reason tips and tricks. 😊
They're coming! Anything you'd like to see in particular?
This is the hardest and long way of sample slicing in reason. There’s a handful of much quicker and easier ways.. and none of them involve the kong. I haven’t opened that thing in years.
This method has its advantages.
I should’ve clarified if you want tempo matched equal slicing. You can just chop the audio into 8/16 and chuck it in an nn or whatever but you’re locked into the tempo you bounce the sample at.
i was thinking of the same thing...like just drop the sample.Line it up with tempo for quick slicing then convert to rex loop.lol.This video shows u how to fly from new jersey to new york with a connecting flight through california.😂
@@DrumzGaloreif you just wanna trigger individual slices, yes. If you want to chop a tempo matched loop into 4/8/16 equal parts, then there is currently no other way in reason (without using serato).
Excellent tutorial
Thank you! There seems to be some confusion over how this differs to Mimic or just using OctoRex so I could’ve compared them to make the point a bit clearer. Glad you liked it though!
Whooaa... Did not know Kong has this features and I could bounce Rex loops. This makes buying Recycle obsolete.
Thanks man! Using Reason since Version 4. Haven’t seen this so simply described.
Awesome stuff thanks for this 👍
great work thanks. You shoudl link this in the thread where you explain this. So good.
Nice, not come across this kind of method before. Thanks for sharing.
It’s funny; I just looked into your Groove3 Reason tutorial, where you covered this. However, I was looking for your Blamsoft Distributor chapter to play different synths on different key presses. Do you remember that? A new song from Trentemoller called Dreamweavers intro is just doing that - I'm trying to figure out if I could do that with the method you provided!
Hey! Oh wow yeah that's going back a ways. Not sure what happened to that! Are you talking about combining these two methods together?
@@PaulOrtiz It’s working with the VSTs in reason, and in Chapter 6, The Combinators Part 2 -you connected a blame soft distributor and four serum Synths - on each keypress, it goes to a different synth patch. Do you remember now?
@@usedusermoser I do yes! I believe there's an older video on this channel outlining this somewhere!!
@@PaulOrtizThanks! Your knowledge and the tutorials are the best in the market! Please do
more; perhaps start a membership in this channel. I'll gladly pay for that. Complex-1 tutorials would be excellent to begin with. Cheers
Oh that’s him that does the Groove 3 videos? Great to know !!
Thank's to you
Good to see you again brother. Thanks for the lesson!!!
Almost 100% sure that Aman Break drum loop is actually a Dr Rex Loop in the Factory sound bank. Also good video SUBBED.
Awesome vid mate. Love it.
Well, this helped... A lot! Thanks!
its a new day!
how do you zoom in on the slice edit in reason 13
FRUITY SLICER _ auto slices and one can drag any slice to anywhere
😁😁
How do you like the adjustment from the F8 tool window?
I for one miss the old f8 window. The things I used the most were all expanded and ready to go and I knew the tools inside out. The swap has slowed me down quite a bit but if this is just the start then it'll take the edge off the time it's taking to get used to it. There are certain things another DAW can do and I hope this change paves the way for seeing them in Reason.
I don't think it's necessary to stretch it to x bars first if you're going to slice by transient - as long as you know the loop is the right length, should still work.
I'm with you though, really wish there was a better way of doing this - REX is a one way process, no way to adjust slice markers after the fact in case they didn't land properly (very annoying). Also this method does not work for non-transient material that doesn't have 16 or more auto detected slices (like you grabbed a pad loop or something).
You know what, you’re absolutely right haha. The stretching is not necessary at all!!
I'm sorry man but can you tell us how you painted in those notes at 3:38? You seemed to use keyboard shortcuts but I can't figure out what they are. Thanks
Drew one note in, then cmd/ctrl+d, then cmd/ctrl+arrow up, repeat!
Unclear how you are setting 1/8th and 1/16th chunk lengths?
Just going into Quick Edit mode for pad assignment on the Kong and changing pads 9-16 to any other number than 1!
note: NurseRex will set the chunk divisions to the number
of pads to which the 'chunk' play type is assigned.
see Reason Micro Tutorial - Kong's Nurse Rex Loop Player
class
Great vid and but its convoluted, the methodology to achieve what is today a common thing. They need to come to 2024. A lot of this stuff is just a right click option in a sampler or loop player in other daws and vsts. And mimic still can't change bpm tempos with in program sliced wav loops. 2024.
Absolutely agree - was just showing that there’s a way(ish) now but would love a first party device that does it as easily as Simpler or the like.
Awesome, but please consider using different scaling for such videos. Most people will watch them on laptops or even phones, so lots of detail editing & tweaks is hardly visible like this :)
Good feedback, I'll keep this in mind going forward!
With mimic it's more faster
In Mimic you can't conform the loop to the project tempo (you have to manually adjust the playback speed). You also can only trigger one slice per key. This method lets you split all the slices up into 4/8/16 chunks, like Simpler in Live. So it's not the same. I wish Mimic had this mode.
It's absolutely ridiculous you cant time stretch a loop, and chop it in mimic. You cant affect individual slices either. Such a strange omission that makes it just worthless for sampling.
It was a missed opportunity IMO. Sadly there isn't much precedent for devices receiving massive overhauls or updates. Parsec, RV7000 and OctoRex are the only ones I can think of. As it is I think we'd need a new device. I'm aware there might also be plugins that just do this without any additional steps required. I'm still looking for an elegant solution though. Groove Agent SE can do it but it's fiddly and there's lots of setup required. I've tried Serato in the past but didn't get on with it. I just want Simpler in Reason basically.