I think the old animation could still be considered realistic in a way that the movements were possible, they’re just more gentle. And yes, the new ones are better, considering that you are probably in a rush when reloading.
Just an opinion: maybe they should add more reload animations for all or some of the weapons like how Cyberpunk did. Like a gun can have multiple reload styles. Well, I could only dream.
I like that they finally added visible bullets for the Winchester and R1895 for the new reload animations, and visible shells for the S1897. Seeing a closed fist and a thumb "pushing" in invisible bullets or shells was what bothered me a lot for some odd reason lol.
The animations looks damn nice considering this game is old and is way out of the league compared to other next gen games. They should also have an option to change whether you want the old or the new animations so that players who loves the old school pubg wont be mad. Still this is a big progress
For the new reload animation for the Skorpion it seems like the character is having trouble putting the mag in. He stumbles for a second then gets the mag in. I like that, I wish more games did this.
It set a standard for fast reloading, there are still standards for non-twitchy tactical as hell reloads in other games. Insurgency Sandstorm for instance. Most popular FPS games are of the fast twitchy variety, so MW19's popularity has turned heads. I am not a fan personally, because the style leans super heavy on camera animations. When done wrong, as many games tend to do, the movements are more disorienting than believable. Battlefield 2042/Portal is pretty bad for this.
Being a player of this game since 2018, it's amazing to see how far they've come. The new animations are far more smoother. However, IMO they need to work a little more on the SMGs.
About the new one, I gotta be honest it's pretty damn good, they're actually better than the old one. Well unless if you have nostalgia problem, The old one is better.
who tf would even think the old ones were even good in 2017 , everyone agreed since its release that this game animations were horrible , now they are good
@@alessgr9394 pubg isn't even a good game, but that doesn't stop people from playing it So what makes you think that not a single pubg fan will have nostalgia about it And I'm not gonna argue further, just find a better partner to argue with
Not rly, old animations the player uses the offhand to cock the AK chargin handle, in the new ones they use the trigger hand to cock the charging handle
Fantastic job on the devs part. One of the things that always just kinda irked me about PUBG was it’s very bland and sometimes just poor animations that were clearly designed more around 3rd person perspective. This overhaul is fantastic and I’m incredibly happy to see more dev teams going back and polishing up animations after launch!
1:043:21 they fixed the Skorpion and the SCAR-L in which their bolts open on the last shot like their real life counterparts, but didn't fix the bolts of the G36C, the SKS, and the Thompson?
Feels like the reload was inspired from warzone, like how it hold the gun more aggresively after reloading also the reload is more agressive than the old one. This is just in my mind
No tactical reloads? I thought that was a trend since modern warfare 2019. But then again, not every developers have to add some sort of tactical reload in their games
@@duonglethai8701 that's not tactical? tactical reload is when you got reduced reload time when there's still rounds left, MW19 reloads is called tacticool and it's 'ew brother ew'
The slowness of the reloads had some charm in it and kinda made it feel like your character was a random survivor instead of this tactical war hero. It made you feel weak compared to the world, which is kinda the entire point of pubg. I love mw2019 reloads like the next guy, but I think the reloads of each game having their own approach is much better than just copying it. Also, the slowness of the normal reloads often make the fast reloads actually achievable. Now, they might look ridiculous and feel less impactfull.
3:20 There is an important detail in new SCAR-L reload on empty clip where the bolt is held locked backwards and pressing the bolt release shoots the bolt forward just like real life, which was missing in old reload
I feel with adrenoline shots and energy drinks should speed up reloading but possible for like miss clipping your mag depending on the level of combat stress maybe heavy breathing and sight sway after running a certain distance.(adrenoline meter) I will accept direct deposit only for the idea.
For some reason there’s something so wrong in the animations of empty kar and mosin… I guess it hurts my soul the most when he pushes the bullets down from the clip with his… palm…
you also can't discard the stripper clip by pushing the bolt forward on mosin. also the character doesn't use enough force to push down the rounds, looks too fake
Why I think what new animation very similar to from COD:Warzone animation. Regarding my opinion, new animations look smoother than old animation. Maybe in some places old animation looks more realistic 🤔
I’ve just realised the pistols all have the exact same animation except the revolver Nice But overall the animations are actually good nearly FPS standard and honestly they’re better than some FPS games out there so good job Still an ass game tho
So they definitely took MW19 as an inspiration… More aggressive tactical reloads, ala John Wick kind of reload… Me personally, I love that… But some people don’t apparently, based on the comment section… Guys, I loved the slow, methodical reload too, but those animations were too calm for in combat reload, and also too floaty for it to be an actual human movement… Our limbs moves more jerkily, and more snappy, like the new animation instead of this one fluid motion like the old one..
The old one carries more weight so it feels more real. And reloads where u throw the mag sideways don't make sense in a life or death situation its just to look cool. It doesn't feel like you're a random person knowing nothing about guns being put in a death game anymore. its like you're a solider in COD
The reload animations look good. The only thing they should add is more attention to detail when it comes to guns. for example, they should make the magazine release on all m4 platforms move when ejecting a magazine out of the weapon
If you know how real life s686 (dt10/11) works when empty that lever near the grip should go to side when opened and in my opinion they should add this detail And oh my god theyre finally making the win. Model has an actual bullet getting into the gun
@@Wymen59 the new one is balanced for in-game timing gameplay and competitive aspect as for a budget making game like PUBG, as to keep the player base, leave alone those cringy costume and meta updates, they managed to keep the game on with many unnecessary announcements so as to finish their next major patch/update without any spoiling is what i really like and understand from a Korean gaming company.
@ey ey chill out mate, everyone has their own taste about these kind of animation
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@@phoenixmega6816 the animators put their work on these, they may do listen to player and even try some out to fix later, i don't like cod like either but this kind, they had nothing with cod for sure
Pretty much all of the AR animations are much better now. Normal speed of a reload instead of taking a mag out, waiting 3 seconds, then inserting a new one
Old animation feels like a civilian with a decent weapon skill trying to survive at home during war, the New animation feels like military skill, faster, feeling tougher. Well, my opinion is kinda 50-50 because pubg still a game that survivors are unknown specific skills, not like warzone.
YES! THEY FINALLY FIX UMP AND AUG TO DO HK SLAP! my rating of new animation: all pistol except Nagant revolver: suck - no reason to not use slide release if you ever have just a little knowledge about gun Nagant revolver: a little bit more natural, old one is too 'in the face' like you are short sighted Skorpion: it looks too professional but nothing special Micro Uzi: just adjusting a bit, nothing changed MP5k: meh, just looks more tacticool UMP45: YES! YES! THEY FIXED IT!!! YES! Vector: the same as Micro Uzi Bizon: tac reload is too aggressive, new one is cool, you drop the mag free Thompson: just adjusting the fixture, too bad we will not see the mag paddle moves easily after this MP9: I don't think they changed anything P90: new ones feels a little stronger M16A4: not bad AKM: better mag gripping, not bad SCAR-L: same as M16 AUG A3: they ALSO FIX THIS! YES M416: same as M16 Beryl: change charging style for no reason Mutant: nothing in particular Galil ACE: I like old ones better, but not bad at all K2: why don't they give M16 the s l a p p too, I like this, also the bolt sound broke G36c: nothing in particular QBZ95: not bad Groza: broke wrist Mini14: not bad Mk.12: nothing in particular Mk.14: nothing in particular, also fix bolt not moving plz SKS: nothing in particular VSS: AK underhand charge, nice DP-28: you smash the wrong place M249: more pleasing to the eye MG3: nothing in particular Kar98k: now with less superhuman strength Moist nugget: why.......(fyi: Mosin Nagant can't close the bolt with clip still in the gun) M24: tacticoolified AWM: tacticoolified but I like this one Win94: now with 100% more ammo! (ammo is now visible) M1897: more shotgun-y reloads S686: I know the old one is not realistic or anything, but can we get it back? Sawed off: cooler a little Saiga 12k: like old one better but nothing bad DBS: literally nothing changed O12: not bad M79: not bad crossbow: now with less superhuman strength!
Some of them are 10 times worse than they were before and some of them are 10 times better edit i hopped into pubg to look at some of these reload animations and there all still the same? of course im not complaining about having the old ones in my opinion some of the old ones look way better
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I think the old animation could still be considered realistic in a way that the movements were possible, they’re just more gentle. And yes, the new ones are better, considering that you are probably in a rush when reloading.
If there are 99 other people that are trying to kill each other,I would rush my reload honestly
Pubg characters: *Reload while panicking*
Idk if PUBG character had military trained before... so awkward reload would be a nice touch...
@@FizzDoesContent But their stamina is insane, they can run nonstop lol
@@MaxLan-o4l You're being hunt... so yea... XD
Just an opinion: maybe they should add more reload animations for all or some of the weapons like how Cyberpunk did. Like a gun can have multiple reload styles. Well, I could only dream.
AKM with Iraqi reload, forward that 🤣
@ yesssssssss! we need this reload in more games
That will cost too much
If they're willing to take that cost
@@eason7813 what do both of you mean the cost?
I like that they finally added visible bullets for the Winchester and R1895 for the new reload animations, and visible shells for the S1897. Seeing a closed fist and a thumb "pushing" in invisible bullets or shells was what bothered me a lot for some odd reason lol.
There are shells, but they’re kinda flashy so you won’t be able to see them normally.
I think a nice addition would be to choose from the settings if you prefer the new or the old animation style Since the time to reload is the same
Too much work to code in
Old ones are craps
Not a lot of reason to use the old ones ngl
the pistols are fucked up.
@@liminalb1rds158 I just don't like how the new ones "shake" if you know what I mean
Before: Rainbow Six Siege
Now: Modern Warfare 2019
Ehh
It's more like bocw
just wanted to say, nice man!😂
Not even comparable to mw2019
Jesus Christ guys, take a joke.
No
The animations looks damn nice considering this game is old and is way out of the league compared to other next gen games. They should also have an option to change whether you want the old or the new animations so that players who loves the old school pubg wont be mad. Still this is a big progress
Old?
Very old? The standalone game is only five years old. Very old nowadays is...not that lol.
It’s only like what? 6 years since the first pre-alpha testing? It’s not that old yet.
Sry guys for the misunderstanding
@@justarandomguyonyoutube7978 your post-edit comment still make very to little sense, wot de hek.
After 5 years Scar l 's bolt finally cocked back
For the new reload animation for the Skorpion it seems like the character is having trouble putting the mag in. He stumbles for a second then gets the mag in.
I like that, I wish more games did this.
plenty do actually
@@hi_its_jerry name some
@@Milsim_Man mw reboots. Both struggle inserting fennec's mag at first place...
i hate how he weirdly push the handle why bluhole? the first reload anim make more sense
I mean considering this is supposed to be a third person shooter, this is actually really good.
I love the fact reloads take the same time but i wish full handgun reloads stayed the same.
I agree. New animation for the handguns suck. Except the R1895
Someone had it out for the slide release. :(
@@lizardizzle
Fuck the slide release.
Seems like MW It set a standard for new animations in shooters, and some aren't missing out on how good they look.
It set a standard for fast reloading, there are still standards for non-twitchy tactical as hell reloads in other games. Insurgency Sandstorm for instance.
Most popular FPS games are of the fast twitchy variety, so MW19's popularity has turned heads. I am not a fan personally, because the style leans super heavy on camera animations. When done wrong, as many games tend to do, the movements are more disorienting than believable. Battlefield 2042/Portal is pretty bad for this.
it's bad actually
you know, all of that overexadurated shake and too fast reload speed... games become more and more arcade and similar, and i hate it
@@StarkRaven59 yeah, Insurgency Sandstorm is the only last hope for FPS... though it started to loose this feeling recently
This is impact Fps game !!!!
@@Mr.LeoNov true. Originality has been eliminated...
Being a player of this game since 2018, it's amazing to see how far they've come. The new animations are far more smoother.
However, IMO they need to work a little more on the SMGs.
pubg sorely needed new animations, these were a long time coming. They look great, too.
About the new one, I gotta be honest it's pretty damn good, they're actually better than the old one.
Well unless if you have nostalgia problem, The old one is better.
*people who think Erangle is the best map*
hehehehe
Loving this update
who tf would even think the old ones were even good in 2017 , everyone agreed since its release that this game animations were horrible , now they are good
@@alessgr9394 pubg isn't even a good game, but that doesn't stop people from playing it
So what makes you think that not a single pubg fan will have nostalgia about it
And I'm not gonna argue further, just find a better partner to argue with
Mosin and kar old animation is better 👍
@@Miss_Claire erangel*
Old animations should be like civilian reload, new animations looks like they're gonna train into infantry.
Not rly, old animations the player uses the offhand to cock the AK chargin handle, in the new ones they use the trigger hand to cock the charging handle
everyone:
*talking about the gun*
me:
"why the sky wont move?"
Lol
Fantastic job on the devs part. One of the things that always just kinda irked me about PUBG was it’s very bland and sometimes just poor animations that were clearly designed more around 3rd person perspective. This overhaul is fantastic and I’m incredibly happy to see more dev teams going back and polishing up animations after launch!
m24 is easily the best improvement out of them all
Pretty based comment
But vss bizon uzi and especially the DP-28 look so much better than the used to
And the crossbow has significantly improved
I like how they added small details for each animation adding some life to the guns especially in a crossfire when you reload.
1:04 3:21 they fixed the Skorpion and the SCAR-L in which their bolts open on the last shot like their real life counterparts, but didn't fix the bolts of the G36C, the SKS, and the Thompson?
The new ones on all the two-handed weapons are generally better looking and feel more organic but I think I like the older pistol reloads a tad more.
I think the old S686 reload animation is better. Overall the new reload animation is satisfying to watch.
the new one is better. the old one is just handling a gun indelicately
Feels like the reload was inspired from warzone, like how it hold the gun more aggresively after reloading also the reload is more agressive than the old one.
This is just in my mind
I know this "shake" from somewhere...
9:33 and 9:35
Loading in a empty mag
Same with new: 9:38 9:41
No one talks how S12K Is loaded with no shells
No tactical reloads? I thought that was a trend since modern warfare 2019. But then again, not every developers have to add some sort of tactical reload in their games
there already is tho, already there since the game is out
@@Armorpiercerthink he means mw19-style reloads
@@duonglethai8701 that's not tactical? tactical reload is when you got reduced reload time when there's still rounds left, MW19 reloads is called tacticool and it's 'ew brother ew'
Even though I don’t play pubG. I’m sure that there are people who are going to miss that sexy John wick mag flip on the pistols
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Damn I'm actually pretty impressed. Never thought I'd see the day haha
The slowness of the reloads had some charm in it and kinda made it feel like your character was a random survivor instead of this tactical war hero. It made you feel weak compared to the world, which is kinda the entire point of pubg.
I love mw2019 reloads like the next guy, but I think the reloads of each game having their own approach is much better than just copying it.
Also, the slowness of the normal reloads often make the fast reloads actually achievable. Now, they might look ridiculous and feel less impactfull.
Thank God they finally got over the loose iron sight in the AKM reloading, as well as the loose bipods in the MK14, QBU and others.
From smg to the end, I thought something dirty is on my screen during watching fullscreen lol
finally our player when to reload school
im not gonna lie the old ones are super slow and outdated, im glad they finally reworked the animations
I like how in the old AK animation the back sight flops around. I could only imagine how horrible that would be when shooting it lol.
The old one when you fighting with enemy: slooooooow and steaaaaadddddyyyyyyy
The new one when there is no enemy: SOMEONE IS COMING! FAST! FAST! FAST!
bruh they remade everything so crispy accurate like a gun operate but why not the AR bolt catch T_T
3:20 There is an important detail in new SCAR-L reload on empty clip where the bolt is held locked backwards and pressing the bolt release shoots the bolt forward just like real life, which was missing in old reload
i feel like you are a trained soldier instead of a kidnapped person with this reloading animations but they look good :D
pubg operators are just so chill compared to cod like they are gona lose their job if they dont reload
XD but there are no operators or military in pubg, they are all just kidnapped survivors with only basic knowledge of weapons
@@Davin1886 yeh , I was thinking what to call them if they not even experienced military personnel... XD
COD operator reload be like: MUST GO FASTER
@@Kenny-hy5pj fax
@Botez Lol
Yep
they train to take a heavy barret and jump from heigh and proceed a 360 no scope to enemy
Well train lmfao
They just need a good animator. Hope we get these animation to mobile
In the new animations, the character has become seemingly more confident in his actions.
I like the reload animations
And also i like the weapon designs too
the old reloads were ok but these are great!
This video is relaxin
3:50 Beryl is a real weapon, made by Fabryka broni Łucznik in a polish city Radom. It's most popular verison is chambered in 5.56 NATO cartridge.
I feel with adrenoline shots and energy drinks should speed up reloading but possible for like miss clipping your mag depending on the level of combat stress maybe heavy breathing and sight sway after running a certain distance.(adrenoline meter)
I will accept direct deposit only for the idea.
Everything new looks "Call of dutied" tbh 😅
For some reason there’s something so wrong in the animations of empty kar and mosin… I guess it hurts my soul the most when he pushes the bullets down from the clip with his… palm…
you also can't discard the stripper clip by pushing the bolt forward on mosin. also the character doesn't use enough force to push down the rounds, looks too fake
@@danat4914 Sadly, yes. But overall these reloads are quite good, except for being too fast (especially with quickdraw mags)
this feels like "im glad i grew up with this, but god damn this is better"
The old one like to have ammo fall in a vertical gravity way
Why I think what new animation very similar to from COD:Warzone animation. Regarding my opinion, new animations look smoother than old animation. Maybe in some places old animation looks more realistic 🤔
I’ve just realised the pistols all have the exact same animation except the revolver
Nice
But overall the animations are actually good nearly FPS standard and honestly they’re better than some FPS games out there so good job
Still an ass game tho
Check the mk14 reload, look at the bipod☹
@@locatapioka4710 and the bolt
@@Ghoster7564 bolt?
@@locatapioka4710 how do you not know what a bolt is???
I know that bolt is but which one?
I like the old animation
So they definitely took MW19 as an inspiration… More aggressive tactical reloads, ala John Wick kind of reload… Me personally, I love that… But some people don’t apparently, based on the comment section… Guys, I loved the slow, methodical reload too, but those animations were too calm for in combat reload, and also too floaty for it to be an actual human movement… Our limbs moves more jerkily, and more snappy, like the new animation instead of this one fluid motion like the old one..
After 5 years, there is finally the trigger discipline.
hahaha
The old one carries more weight so it feels more real. And reloads where u throw the mag sideways don't make sense in a life or death situation its just to look cool. It doesn't feel like you're a random person knowing nothing about guns being put in a death game anymore. its like you're a solider in COD
New ones are better for some guns, but for others, some old are better. They should allow us to choose which ones we want for every weapon.
yaa they shouldn't do it for all weapons 🥺
Wtf why would they do that
Why all games trying to be cool with something like aminations from COD MW19
The reload animations look good. The only thing they should add is more attention to detail when it comes to guns. for example, they should make the magazine release on all m4 platforms move when ejecting a magazine out of the weapon
cuantos años de vida le quedan a pubg?
mixed bag - some look great, some look okay. but they're definitely better than the old ones
I forgot this game existed.
@text9007 Bullshit, you’re getting report, bot.
@@mettawatkutaninwat5411i forgot Vinnie is still sifting heads
A principal mudança foi q o personagem agora sabe por munição na arma antes da primeira safe fechar 😃
Now the reload animations feel like cod animations
If you know how real life s686 (dt10/11) works when empty that lever near the grip should go to side when opened and in my opinion they should add this detail
And oh my god theyre finally making the win. Model has an actual bullet getting into the gun
What ingame graphics are you using?
I guess the only thing now is the sound design on the reloads some dont match or sound right
Edit: some are just right but some sound not right
Satisfaction OG sounds💀🤤🤤
I swear games from the 90s has less janky reload animations
I'm sorry but it's still a game. I'm glad they are updating the animations. I think they need faster pickups and climbing animations.
Looks kinda like mw 2019 ngl
Next they should remake rhe sound effects, currently it sounds like you are reloading a gun made of plastic
previous reloading sounded like plastic tbh
The New animations locks to beter
Wow thanks!
The mosin does not eject the stripper clip when the bolt is closed you have to remove it manually unlike the KAR98K
This is pure gun asmr
Idk why but i think olds are better it was a different style now they are like cod
Which a lot of people like the new one tho
So it a good move from PUBG
@@phoenixmega6816 i think only i don't like new
@@Wymen59 the new one is balanced for in-game timing gameplay and competitive aspect as for a budget making game like PUBG, as to keep the player base, leave alone those cringy costume and meta updates, they managed to keep the game on with many unnecessary announcements so as to finish their next major patch/update without any spoiling is what i really like and understand from a Korean gaming company.
@ey ey chill out mate, everyone has their own taste about these kind of animation
@@phoenixmega6816 the animators put their work on these, they may do listen to player and even try some out to fix later, i don't like cod like either but this kind, they had nothing with cod for sure
Why now and not all of those years ago?
Problobly because the new cod game set a higher standard for animations and pubg didint want to keep looking outdated
they look stunning
Hm, the HK-416 looks like the 417. Im not talking about the receiver or anything. The magazine looks like a 7.62x51 NATO Hk-417 magazine..
Pretty much all of the AR animations are much better now. Normal speed of a reload instead of taking a mag out, waiting 3 seconds, then inserting a new one
Can see the CoD MW animation style there
Wait.... They change the reload animation? Idk that
Old animation feels like a civilian with a decent weapon skill trying to survive at home during war, the New animation feels like military skill, faster, feeling tougher. Well, my opinion is kinda 50-50 because pubg still a game that survivors are unknown specific skills, not like warzone.
see, now they are at about the cod mobile ported mw guns in quality for most of them!
*OLD PABG slower than NEW PABG¡!¡*
*🚬🗿👍*
*And by the way I Russian*
These reloading animation looks familiar 😮it’s like call of duty modern warfare reload animation
COD Modern Warfare influence
9:20 Action is coming
Gun animation updated, but tommy gun is still FRIKIN CLOSED BOLT
YES! THEY FINALLY FIX UMP AND AUG TO DO HK SLAP!
my rating of new animation:
all pistol except Nagant revolver: suck - no reason to not use slide release if you ever have just a little knowledge about gun
Nagant revolver: a little bit more natural, old one is too 'in the face' like you are short sighted
Skorpion: it looks too professional but nothing special
Micro Uzi: just adjusting a bit, nothing changed
MP5k: meh, just looks more tacticool
UMP45: YES! YES! THEY FIXED IT!!! YES!
Vector: the same as Micro Uzi
Bizon: tac reload is too aggressive, new one is cool, you drop the mag free
Thompson: just adjusting the fixture, too bad we will not see the mag paddle moves easily after this
MP9: I don't think they changed anything
P90: new ones feels a little stronger
M16A4: not bad
AKM: better mag gripping, not bad
SCAR-L: same as M16
AUG A3: they ALSO FIX THIS! YES
M416: same as M16
Beryl: change charging style for no reason
Mutant: nothing in particular
Galil ACE: I like old ones better, but not bad at all
K2: why don't they give M16 the s l a p p too, I like this, also the bolt sound broke
G36c: nothing in particular
QBZ95: not bad
Groza: broke wrist
Mini14: not bad
Mk.12: nothing in particular
Mk.14: nothing in particular, also fix bolt not moving plz
SKS: nothing in particular
VSS: AK underhand charge, nice
DP-28: you smash the wrong place
M249: more pleasing to the eye
MG3: nothing in particular
Kar98k: now with less superhuman strength
Moist nugget: why.......(fyi: Mosin Nagant can't close the bolt with clip still in the gun)
M24: tacticoolified
AWM: tacticoolified but I like this one
Win94: now with 100% more ammo! (ammo is now visible)
M1897: more shotgun-y reloads
S686: I know the old one is not realistic or anything, but can we get it back?
Sawed off: cooler a little
Saiga 12k: like old one better but nothing bad
DBS: literally nothing changed
O12: not bad
M79: not bad
crossbow: now with less superhuman strength!
Anyone else still think The old ones are better
I like the old pistol reloads better than the new ones
New ones are much better but still needs some animation fixing in
SKS,MK-18,Mini-14,sawed off and that double barrel shotgun.
Old: unskilled survivor
New: tactical soldier boi
I guess tactical ain't for you
@@Hey-xm6mzhe's right man
still haven`t fixed that the nagant revolver doesn`t get put into halfcock to open the loading gate thingy
Some of them are 10 times worse than they were before and some of them are 10 times better edit i hopped into pubg to look at some of these reload animations and there all still the same? of course im not complaining about having the old ones in my opinion some of the old ones look way better
Notice:
Reload S12K with empty mag
maybe its time to try out PUBG once again
Is this game still alive?