I run dual R115SW in the rear and 1 PB16 Ultra up front in my 5.3.4 home theater. The Klipsch are amazing for the price, great bang for your buck. Klipsch is getting a lot of things right lately.
Sadly the R115SW doesn;t even fit in my room... If want to run Dual R-115SW I will end up with 56cm between them in the middle... Which would be a bit ridiculous
@@Youthman Any tips? The PB-1000 is about the biggest I can fit and I have a €800,- budget for a dual setup. Ordering second hand I could get 2x PB-1000 for about €800,-
Another great video. I'm really enjoying these comparisons and that software is fascinating. It's interesting to get to see how things really measure up side by side. Even though the SVS is more powerful for the same money you could have 2 of these Klipsch subwoofers and everyone says that's always better. For the budget conscious and if you've got the space that makes sense to me. I'm wondering if we're going to get to see a review of the Klipsch RP-6000f that you were using as rears while you have them in? I'd love to know your thoughts on them alone and how they performed. I'm really liking the new RP line and the 4000f (dual 4" woofers) are an affordable entry level option and great for small to midsize rooms and people like me in an apartment. Thanks again and be blessed.
@@Youthman I understand that time is of the essence and there's a lot going on and even more to get to. That said I was just hoping for a review from someone familiar with the Klipsch sound, especially since they're from the new line and there's not many reviews up yet.
The sharp roll off of the SVS is by design. All portage subs have this sharp roll off. The roloffs will always be at the intended Port tuning. Below Port tuning, output will always drop sharply.
I love the SVS subwoofer but I choose the dual klipsch subwoofer, excellent value, smooth and balanced performance in a room. I love your tests and comments, I really like your channel. hugs... Youthman.
Youthman, thanks for another great video! My understanding is that Klipsch has a newer subwoofer, the SPL-150, albeit at a higher price than the R-115SW. Are you planning to compare this sub against the SVS? Thanks!
Hey Youthman, why do my 4 12" car subwoofers running at 2400watts peak power, not hit as hard at 1 15" Klipsch R-115SW? They are loud in my car, but loose most of the Dbs in my bonus room... having to be right next to them to really feel them and hear them.
This is a snippet from the SVS webpage concerning their subwoofers. "Roll-off slope specifically optimized to take maximum advantage of available room gain." I know you mentioned in your video that you weren't real sure why the roll off was so pronounced after about 17 Hertz or so it looks to me like they did it on purpose to accommodate room gain. Thought you would like to know.
@@Youthman typically people in general slap their big boxes in the corner of the room where you can get the most gain (potentially the hardest to deal with though) so that is most likely the reasoning in my eyes ...... Great reviews and you're doing a great job!
Klipsch won in the how low can you go comparison.....unless you meant how much lower your db's are at 10hz....because then SVS won since it had lower output😂 and you have to take into consideration the SVS has 800w rms 2500w peak vs Klipsch 400w rms 800w peak or whatever it is!
@@Quetzalcoatl0 ok go google it and copy paste the explanation here....meanwhile ill be watching movies and enjoying my day....if i have time ill check it out😂
@@Quetzalcoatl0 please help me watts is dat magic that comes from the holes in the walls?....oh no wait thats electricity....watts....watts let me think.....please help me....i wont be able to sleep.....gtfo here😂
Whats the mean problem with klipsch subwoofers ? I see many people have problem with amps ? Now I have yamaha sw300 and think to replace it with Klipsch R-115SW what do you think ?
Great comparison! Just shows that the Klipsch sub is definitely a bang for your buck subwoofer. Really want to pull the trigger and get two. But and there’s always a But, that would really eat into my projector fund. So I think I will have to be happy with what I have now.
I agree. What projector are you looking at for your setup? I would love to have a native 4K JVC but I’m going to wait till they come down quite a bit before I make the jump
Youthman Well I have my eye on the Epson Pro 4050. It has the new updated 3LCD Chip, plus the lens memory I will need for my 2.35:1 screen. I would like to go with the JVC but like you I will wait awhile before I make that jump. Now there are rumors that Epson will be releasing a new 5050 to take the place of the 4050. So I am hoping the 4050 will drop even more in price as the release gets closer. They released a European version at a show in Berlin last January. At least that’s what was on a AVS Forums.
Yousuf If you have the luxury of waiting more power to you. But anything now days will loose it’s resale value as soon as you walk out the door or drive of the lot. And as far as the next HDMI 2.1 I am only guessing but it will probably be on flat panels and AVRs before most projectors. And 8K don’t hold your breath. You will see 8k e-shift long before native 8k. Heck they are still working on 4K content. As for price, you will be waiting a long time for 8k to be affordable. Unless you are someone that the price is no object. But for the rest of us ,?i say enjoy it now and upgrade way down the line.
Youthman, Thanks for another great video, I used your link and purchased the Klipsch Sub as I liked the 699 price point. I hope you get some credit for the purchase. I have a simple sub question. I now have two Klipsch R-115SW and two pioneer 10" Andrew Jones powered subs. How would you recommend hooking up the two Pioneer subs in the rear? If I run a Sub cable to the back and spit it the cable would have to be about 45 foot or would you recommend the Klipsch wireless W-A2 wirelss kit? Please don't base your answer on who supports you. I think the cable would work best but as for simplicity the wireless controller in the back and split that would be super easy. Thoughts?
Thank you for the support and for the kind words. I will always give my honest opinion, regardless of whether a company has sponsored videos or not. 😀 I do not have any experience with Wireless adapters so I cannot give a recommendation on how well it works. I do not see one being a major benefit over the other except for running a long wire. If you can hide it (like under your baseboard) then that’s not a big deal. Cables are certainly cheap. Check out Monoprice or Amazon. Does that help?
Can you make some test with the Klipsch of the Video and the SB-3000? They are in the same price class and the SB-3000 is smaller but a little bit more expensiv...
I don't own any of those subs, but I'm sitting back and wondering if sealed subs are any better? Unfortunately, I live in a 625sq foot apartment, and I've got two Definitive Technology PC-600 speakers package. Due to the second woofer giving me the higher output, I didn't used thier horizontal center speaker, I used one of satellite speaker instead. At the end result, I ran 8" dual subs, and each subs have thier own passive radiator. My format is 5.2.2, the .2 was the front height elevation channels. Ohh, don't get me started with these bouncy house dolby enabled speaker used in Dolby Atmos, it doesn't work in all applications. If we want sound, then install an actual speaker there.
@@Youthman oh nice.. I bought me a pair of Bowers and Wilkins CCM665 in ceiling speakers for my kitchen but I haven't installed them but was curious if I'll need a subwoofer or not. I bet those Klipsch you have sound amazing.
Youthman db is no output. Decibels which is named after Alexander Graham Bell, what you are looking for is earth shake that comes out the back of the port. So yes no out db/volume bc amp is making the ground shake instead of amplifying distortion which is what is happening with monolith and klipsch readings.
Mhm my pb-1000 reached 18hz flat in my room. Using the audessey mic thou with a calibrated sound card. Have to try different sub placements too. I have a question. The R-115SW says it can do a max of 122db 1/m so this is peak power, but it should do 119db continuous . Can you test that ?
These measurements are without Audyssey as you want to try and get the flattest frequency response through room placement before you run Audyssey. I have not tried testing at 1m. I like to test at listening position as it doesn’t benefit me to know how loud it is at 3’ if I’m never going to sit that close
This test is just great, but I can not find any indepth test betwenn the Klipsch R-112SW and the R-115SW, because I heard users that the 38mm is capable of lower notes, but it is not as accurate as the 30mm one in the 112W. I would really like to see a detailed comparison of those two, before buying them.
WOW You delivered big time. What a great service! Thank you for answering my question. Very timely. I am left trying to guess the reason. Could the SVS driver, being heavier require more power to push its driver than the Klipsch? It is WAY more flat than the Klipsch vs the 50 Hz mark for the designed frequency, potentially due to the internal processing. After the lowest rated frequency, the crossover states, I am not designed to push this at this level, does not send the power needed to amp the heavier driver. Is it like seeing what car rolls further on idle, the heavy vehicle or the light one? Am I TOTALLY off on this guess?
If the subwoofers were calibrated to the same volume, how come the SVS is louder at all HZ? The SVS is about 3db louder than the klipsch from ~33Hz and higher? Shouldn't their spl match down to about 33hz where the SVS takes of in volume?
your room has a huge drop in the 30 to 40 hz range. 16 db is a huge drop for the svs since every 3db is twice as loud that is a huge loss in bass where most people seem to percieve bass. i mention it has a room related since both subs drop so much in this region. that is measuring one sub at a time and you play multiple subs so the drop is probably gone in your room during movies. keep up the great videos
Thanks David. I’m really new to using REW and am continually learning. My Dual PB16’s are located behind my 150” screen. I need to see how they measure back there as well. Just need to find the time
I tried with SVS. Truly I did. But in the end they just don’t have barely any punch at all. They seem be specialize in the more subterranean range. The room shakes but you don’t hear too much. I trade my SVS subs for JTR 18’s for my mains setup. And a Klipsch SLP150 for my second system. Not sure why SVS are tuned like that but they look much better on paper than they actually sound.
@@Youthman Completely agree. It's weird though, because I've heard subs that are both considered "below" and above SVS in terms of tier, and they both punch better. SVS just kind of vibrate the room. I plugged in my old RSW-12 and it was night and day better than my PB13-Ultra in terms of the chest punch factor, which drove me to try a few other SVS subs. The other SVS subs had the same weakness, even compared to my old Klipsch sub. They had more output way down low, but it was all subterranean room shaking bass - not very punchy or musical. So now I have the SLP-150 which is considered "below" some SVS subs, and the JTR's (same ones as you), and they both have the same punchy bass I look for (except the JTR's have 10x as much of it of course). It must just be the way the SVS are tuned.
Like the video comparison. Maybe you can play content that goes below 20hz to hear how they sound side by side. Also, would you consider reviewing Outlaw Audio Ultra X12 and Ultra X13-THX subwoofers. Curious on how the down firing subs do compared to conventional front firing subs.
Hey Youthman, I’d love to see you compare your SVS PB16’s against the PSA V3611’s. Have you seen those subs? They look crazy. I know you already did a similar comparison but this would be a more fair comparison because the V3611’s are ported, just like your PB16’s.
Hi Rob, yes I’m familiar with them and would like to hear them sometime. I have several videos on the PB16 vs S3611 and the S3611 pretty much destroyed my PB16 from 20Hz down to 10Hz
I haven’t heard either of those models but I really enjoyed the Denon 6400 that I reviewed. My vote would be Denon as I prefer Audyssey over Yamaha’s YPAO
I’ve never had my neighbors ask me to turn it down. I have always had great relationship with them and told them if it’s ever to loud, to please let me know.
Hey Youthman, I enjoy watching your videos. I'm hoping you can help answer a question. I have a pair of Klipsch R120SW coming of 2 sub preouts off my Denon AVRX6700H. I want to add this Pb2000. The plan is to do a Y split to the R120's and the second preout to this Pb2000. Would be interesting to see what you think about that setup.
You will just have a lot of headroom (which is a good thing). th-cam.com/video/QIVY94-M1SY/w-d-xo.html The last thing you want to do though is to buy a Subwoofer that is struggling at high-volume to reach the SPL levels that you want
Very nice video. Seems like you get some room gain with that klipsch since sealed subwoofer usually don’t have as steep off a roll off so they take more advantage Of room gain.
I still think you are smart. If it makes you feel better, I had two errors in my most recent video, had to delete it, correct the video and re-upload. We all make mistakes. I’m completely ok with that
I think you have to raise levels on each sub slowly to reach compression, and then compare the curves, the Klipsch shouldnt be 6db lower for the most part, and in your test before it was only 3db, But of course, you can still see advantage in lower frequencys for the Klipsch, and THAT supprises me a lot, I thoght the SVS would bet the Klipsch by far at lower frequencys, strange!!!!!!
@@Youthman that is the way to learn, nobody knows eveything, we all learn... In this case it really does not matter as we can clearly see the graph on both subs, the one that suprises me is that SVS dips in the low end, maybee some sort of filter activated... The klipsch 115 isnt knows for its low end power, its a +25hz sub, many tests show that... I just thought the SVS would be much stronger below 20hz.. wich it should be..
someone else mentioned "This is a snippet from the SVS webpage concerning their subwoofers. 'Roll-off slope specifically optimized to take maximum advantage of available room gain.'"
@@Youthman yeah, I'm thinking it's worth it because there's no sub that will perform as well with my budget so I'll just spend the 192 bucks and get the amp
According to the SVS charts on their website, if you put it into sealed mode with the foam bits, you'll see less total output, but a less steep drop off. Nice video!
Kudos again. I suggest you do a low frequency test on your ears with the sub. If you can hear 10-20 hz even at low db it is still beneficial especially if you also feel it.
I haven’t tested in real world scenarios but if I had to base it solely on this test, my thought would be to buy a pair of R-115SW and you should have the same SPL but also benefit from a smoother bass response throughout the room.
Most air-sucking mortals can't hear much below 20 Hz. I just ordered the Klipsch SPL-150, only because it came free with my order for a pair of their RP-8000F II. I never would have paid the original price of $1399.00 for the SPL-150 Sub. Maybe that's why they gave it for free with my order.
You are correct, most people cannot hear below 20 Hz but you can certainly feel it. Once you experience single digits, it’s incredible. Yeah, I don’t feel $1,399 is a fair price for the SPL-150 when the R-115SW was only $799.
FAIL BIGTIME!!!!!!"10hz we lost all output, so definately you not gonna hear alot of this if any. Because you lost 30db output." Hahahaha. Im interested . You know anything about human hearing????? Human cant hear below 20Hz no matter how high the db is. This is fact. And you talkng about hearing at10Hz?? Just show you know nothing about sound and human hearing. Wich is fun considering the channel you have.
I am fully aware that you cannot hear subsonic frequencies, but you can certainly feel them. I will have to go back and watch to see what I said. Thanks for watching.
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For $500 less and just a couple of decibels difference in most of the audible range, i would go with the klipsch.
Pretty cool. The r-115 continues to show its it's a great value sub!
I believe so
The SVS low end roll-off is by design to decrease port noise and low frequency flutter.
Took the words out my fingers
I had dual PB16’s that had port noise at loud SPL
@@Youthman 16’s are a tad sloppy. 4000’s are just right. My room isn’t as big as yours. You have the perfect setup.
Thank you. Far from perfect but I certainly enjoy it
I run dual R115SW in the rear and 1 PB16 Ultra up front in my 5.3.4 home theater. The Klipsch are amazing for the price, great bang for your buck. Klipsch is getting a lot of things right lately.
Very cool
Oh wow
Sadly the R115SW doesn;t even fit in my room... If want to run Dual R-115SW I will end up with 56cm between them in the middle...
Which would be a bit ridiculous
It’s a discontinued model anyway, so you might want to go to a different subwoofer
@@Youthman Any tips? The PB-1000 is about the biggest I can fit and I have a €800,- budget for a dual setup. Ordering second hand I could get 2x PB-1000 for about €800,-
Great job,yesterday and today...now i know why i love my rw115 klipsch subwoofer..great day to you..
You knew why you loved it before I made my videos 😀
And thank you for the kind words
Yes i did many months ago when you were looking for some subwoofer i was the one that recommend these again great job on all you do.thks.
Great work on the video man! Great information as usual. Thanks for all of your hard work.
Thank you Hi-Fi. Glad the videos are helpful to you guys
Another great video. I'm really enjoying these comparisons and that software is fascinating. It's interesting to get to see how things really measure up side by side. Even though the SVS is more powerful for the same money you could have 2 of these Klipsch subwoofers and everyone says that's always better. For the budget conscious and if you've got the space that makes sense to me.
I'm wondering if we're going to get to see a review of the Klipsch RP-6000f that you were using as rears while you have them in? I'd love to know your thoughts on them alone and how they performed. I'm really liking the new RP line and the 4000f (dual 4" woofers) are an affordable entry level option and great for small to midsize rooms and people like me in an apartment.
Thanks again and be blessed.
Thank you kindly. I’m not sure I will have a dedicated video just for the RP6000. It just depends on how much time I have available.
@@Youthman I understand that time is of the essence and there's a lot going on and even more to get to. That said I was just hoping for a review from someone familiar with the Klipsch sound, especially since they're from the new line and there's not many reviews up yet.
The sharp roll off of the SVS is by design. All portage subs have this sharp roll off. The roloffs will always be at the intended Port tuning. Below Port tuning, output will always drop sharply.
*excuse the typos please. I meant port, not portage lol
The new KLIPSCH SPL-150 should arrive next week. Can't wait to see the upgrade from my Boston Acoustics ASW650
I love the SVS subwoofer but I choose the dual klipsch subwoofer, excellent value, smooth and balanced performance in a room. I love your tests and comments, I really like your channel. hugs... Youthman.
Thanks Ricardo. Glad the content is beneficial
Youthman, thanks for another great video! My understanding is that Klipsch has a newer subwoofer, the SPL-150, albeit at a higher price than the R-115SW. Are you planning to compare this sub against the SVS? Thanks!
Yes I will see if I can get an SPL-150 in for review
Excellent, thank you!
Hey Youthman, why do my 4 12" car subwoofers running at 2400watts peak power, not hit as hard at 1 15" Klipsch R-115SW? They are loud in my car, but loose most of the Dbs in my bonus room... having to be right next to them to really feel them and hear them.
Not sure exactly. Put your R-115SW in your car and see how it sounds 😂
This is a snippet from the SVS webpage concerning their subwoofers. "Roll-off slope specifically optimized to take maximum advantage of available room gain." I know you mentioned in your video that you weren't real sure why the roll off was so pronounced after about 17 Hertz or so it looks to me like they did it on purpose to accommodate room gain. Thought you would like to know.
Awesome detective work James! Someone mentioned in the comments they did it on purpose. They just didn’t know why. 👍
“Too accommodate room gain”. What the heck does that mean? It didn’t seem to accommodate Youthmans room!!
I’m not certain I know how a quick rolloff correlates with room Gain. Maybe someone can provide some insight
I could hazard a guess I think world be correct. But you could go to svs webpage and look or call them.
@@Youthman typically people in general slap their big boxes in the corner of the room where you can get the most gain (potentially the hardest to deal with though) so that is most likely the reasoning in my eyes ...... Great reviews and you're doing a great job!
Klipsch won in the how low can you go comparison.....unless you meant how much lower your db's are at 10hz....because then SVS won since it had lower output😂 and you have to take into consideration the SVS has 800w rms 2500w peak vs Klipsch 400w rms 800w peak or whatever it is!
Lol
I don't think you know how watts work.
@@Quetzalcoatl0 ok go google it and copy paste the explanation here....meanwhile ill be watching movies and enjoying my day....if i have time ill check it out😂
@@Titan7170 with this level of respect, not gonna do it bud. Go buy your 5000 watts labels and call it a day.
@@Quetzalcoatl0 please help me watts is dat magic that comes from the holes in the walls?....oh no wait thats electricity....watts....watts let me think.....please help me....i wont be able to sleep.....gtfo here😂
Whats the mean problem with klipsch subwoofers ? I see many people have problem with amps ? Now I have yamaha sw300 and think to replace it with Klipsch R-115SW what do you think ?
Great comparison! Just shows that the Klipsch sub is definitely a bang for your buck subwoofer. Really want to pull the trigger and get two. But and there’s always a But, that would really eat into my projector fund. So I think I will have to be happy with what I have now.
I agree. What projector are you looking at for your setup? I would love to have a native 4K JVC but I’m going to wait till they come down quite a bit before I make the jump
Youthman Well I have my eye on the Epson Pro 4050. It has the new updated 3LCD Chip, plus the lens memory I will need for my 2.35:1 screen. I would like to go with the JVC but like you I will wait awhile before I make that jump.
Now there are rumors that Epson will be releasing a new 5050 to take the place of the 4050. So I am hoping the 4050 will drop even more in price as the release gets closer.
They released a European version at a show in Berlin last January. At least that’s what was on a AVS Forums.
Very cool, I made a video about it - th-cam.com/video/5_proMM-Lao/w-d-xo.html
Yousuf If you have the luxury of waiting more power to you. But anything now days will loose it’s resale value as soon as you walk out the door or drive of the lot. And as far as the next HDMI 2.1 I am only guessing but it will probably be on flat panels and AVRs before most projectors. And 8K don’t hold your breath. You will see 8k e-shift long before native 8k. Heck they are still working on 4K content. As for price, you will be waiting a long time for 8k to be affordable. Unless you are someone that the price is no object. But for the rest of us ,?i say enjoy it now and upgrade way down the line.
You are right. But as soon as they release them, something bigger & better will be on the horizon
In holland the klipsch is 700 euros and the svs 1700?? So that would be an easy pick right?
Youthman, Thanks for another great video, I used your link and purchased the Klipsch Sub as I liked the 699 price point. I hope you get some credit for the purchase. I have a simple sub question. I now have two Klipsch R-115SW and two pioneer 10" Andrew Jones powered subs. How would you recommend hooking up the two Pioneer subs in the rear? If I run a Sub cable to the back and spit it the cable would have to be about 45 foot or would you recommend the Klipsch wireless W-A2 wirelss kit? Please don't base your answer on who supports you. I think the cable would work best but as for simplicity the wireless controller in the back and split that would be super easy. Thoughts?
Thank you for the support and for the kind words.
I will always give my honest opinion, regardless of whether a company has sponsored videos or not. 😀
I do not have any experience with Wireless adapters so I cannot give a recommendation on how well it works. I do not see one being a major benefit over the other except for running a long wire. If you can hide it (like under your baseboard) then that’s not a big deal.
Cables are certainly cheap. Check out Monoprice or Amazon.
Does that help?
Can you make some test with the Klipsch of the Video and the SB-3000? They are in the same price class and the SB-3000 is smaller but a little bit more expensiv...
I will likely compare the PB3000 to the SB3000. Typically sealed do not have as much output but dig a little bit deeper.
@Youthman : I'm planning to get either one off them, which one is your personal favorite?
I don't own any of those subs, but I'm sitting back and wondering if sealed subs are any better?
Unfortunately, I live in a 625sq foot apartment, and I've got two Definitive Technology PC-600 speakers package.
Due to the second woofer giving me the higher output, I didn't used thier horizontal center speaker, I used one of satellite speaker instead.
At the end result, I ran 8" dual subs, and each subs have thier own passive radiator. My format is 5.2.2, the .2 was the front height elevation channels.
Ohh, don't get me started with these bouncy house dolby enabled speaker used in Dolby Atmos, it doesn't work in all applications. If we want sound, then install an actual speaker there.
Youthman, do you think all svs subs have that sharp dropoff?
Not sure
I could run a sweep with my PB16 to see how they do
Youthman cool, that would be sweet. Ive been considering a svs sub but on the fence. Thanks for the great content!
Glad you are enjoying it
all ported or slave subwoofers drop of faster, sealed dont drop pf sharp, easily corrected by dsp or eq.
Love watching your videos.. do you have any in wall or in ceiling subwoofer reviews? Been thinking of buying me one.
Not yet. I installed (4) Klipsch CDT-5800-C II in my room and they sound great
@@Youthman oh nice.. I bought me a pair of Bowers and Wilkins CCM665 in ceiling speakers for my kitchen but I haven't installed them but was curious if I'll need a subwoofer or not. I bet those Klipsch you have sound amazing.
Youthman db is no output. Decibels which is named after Alexander Graham Bell, what you are looking for is earth shake that comes out the back of the port. So yes no out db/volume bc amp is making the ground shake instead of amplifying distortion which is what is happening with monolith and klipsch readings.
Mhm my pb-1000 reached 18hz flat in my room. Using the audessey mic thou with a calibrated sound card.
Have to try different sub placements too.
I have a question. The R-115SW says it can do a max of 122db 1/m so this is peak power, but it should do 119db continuous . Can you test that ?
These measurements are without Audyssey as you want to try and get the flattest frequency response through room placement before you run Audyssey.
I have not tried testing at 1m. I like to test at listening position as it doesn’t benefit me to know how loud it is at 3’ if I’m never going to sit that close
I've also got the Pb-1000, Love this beast. I've gotten it down to 13 Hz but it isn't usable at all. I'd say it's usable down to around 15 -16 Hz
This test is just great, but I can not find any indepth test betwenn the Klipsch R-112SW and the R-115SW, because I heard users that the 38mm is capable of lower notes, but it is not as accurate as the 30mm one in the 112W.
I would really like to see a detailed comparison of those two, before buying them.
Both the R-112 and R-115 have been discontinued so you will not likely find any new reviews online between the two.
WOW You delivered big time. What a great service!
Thank you for answering my question. Very timely.
I am left trying to guess the reason. Could the SVS driver, being heavier require more power to push its driver than the Klipsch? It is WAY more flat than the Klipsch vs the 50 Hz mark for the designed frequency, potentially due to the internal processing. After the lowest rated frequency, the crossover states, I am not designed to push this at this level, does not send the power needed to amp the heavier driver. Is it like seeing what car rolls further on idle, the heavy vehicle or the light one? Am I TOTALLY off on this guess?
Hello
Which sound better in movie regardless to measurments.
Pb2000 vs rs115?
R-115SW would likely sound much better. I have not heard the PB2000 though.
Why the drop at 30-40hz.. Love music at the hz frequenz maybe a reason not to take the pb3000.. Got a pb1000 now
Hey youthman is klipsch spl150 better than svs sb3000
If the subwoofers were calibrated to the same volume, how come the SVS is louder at all HZ? The SVS is about 3db louder than the klipsch from ~33Hz and higher? Shouldn't their spl match down to about 33hz where the SVS takes of in volume?
The amplifier wattage is double on the SVS= 3dB gain = double the loudness at the same frequency response
@@lawrence09151 Not answering my question. If they are volume matched, their overall volume should match.
your room has a huge drop in the 30 to 40 hz range. 16 db is a huge drop for the svs since every 3db is twice as loud that is a huge loss in bass where most people seem to percieve bass. i mention it has a room related since both subs drop so much in this region. that is measuring one sub at a time and you play multiple subs so the drop is probably gone in your room during movies. keep up the great videos
Thanks David. I’m really new to using REW and am continually learning. My Dual PB16’s are located behind my 150” screen. I need to see how they measure back there as well. Just need to find the time
3db is not twice as loud in percieved loudness, 10db is.
You are correct.
I have since fixed the null with miniDSP
Amigo te recomiendo usar para pelis o cualquier otra cosa de sonido 80 o 100Hz muy recomendable
I tried with SVS. Truly I did. But in the end they just don’t have barely any punch at all. They seem be specialize in the more subterranean range. The room shakes but you don’t hear too much. I trade my SVS subs for JTR 18’s for my mains setup. And a Klipsch SLP150 for my second system. Not sure why SVS are tuned like that but they look much better on paper than they actually sound.
Comparing SVS to JTR isn’t a fair fight. Completely different classes.
@@Youthman Completely agree. It's weird though, because I've heard subs that are both considered "below" and above SVS in terms of tier, and they both punch better. SVS just kind of vibrate the room. I plugged in my old RSW-12 and it was night and day better than my PB13-Ultra in terms of the chest punch factor, which drove me to try a few other SVS subs. The other SVS subs had the same weakness, even compared to my old Klipsch sub. They had more output way down low, but it was all subterranean room shaking bass - not very punchy or musical. So now I have the SLP-150 which is considered "below" some SVS subs, and the JTR's (same ones as you), and they both have the same punchy bass I look for (except the JTR's have 10x as much of it of course). It must just be the way the SVS are tuned.
wonder how the newer spl-150 would compare
So what about the SPL-150SW?
Like the video comparison. Maybe you can play content that goes below 20hz to hear how they sound side by side. Also, would you consider reviewing Outlaw Audio Ultra X12 and Ultra X13-THX subwoofers. Curious on how the down firing subs do compared to conventional front firing subs.
Humans can't hear anything below 20 hertz unless you're an elephant 😅
Erick is correct. Anything much below 20Hz and it becomes inaudible to humans. Sub 20Hz you feel.
@@Youthman yes. I have powerful bass transducers installed and those really intensify the effects of my two 15 inch Klipsch subs.
However, i’m pretty sure the bass of the svs is tighter due to the bigger amp. Curious how they perform under continuous load
I too am curious. Will find out soon enough
Hey Youthman, I’d love to see you compare your SVS PB16’s against the PSA V3611’s. Have you seen those subs? They look crazy. I know you already did a similar comparison but this would be a more fair comparison because the V3611’s are ported, just like your PB16’s.
Hi Rob, yes I’m familiar with them and would like to hear them sometime. I have several videos on the PB16 vs S3611 and the S3611 pretty much destroyed my PB16 from 20Hz down to 10Hz
Youthman, please help me to choose, between denon avr- x4500h or yamaha advantage RX-A 3080
I haven’t heard either of those models but I really enjoyed the Denon 6400 that I reviewed. My vote would be Denon as I prefer Audyssey over Yamaha’s YPAO
I agree with Youthman
I wonder how much the graph will change with Audyssey? Good work
I’m wanting to find out as well
Nice test... but imo below 20hz output isnt that much needed anyways. Less and less movies have content below 30hz..
I think you would be surprised at the amount that do.
I’ve never had my neighbors ask me to turn it down. I have always had great relationship with them and told them if it’s ever to loud, to please let me know.
Hey Youthman, I enjoy watching your videos. I'm hoping you can help answer a question. I have a pair of Klipsch R120SW coming of 2 sub preouts off my Denon AVRX6700H. I want to add this Pb2000. The plan is to do a Y split to the R120's and the second preout to this Pb2000. Would be interesting to see what you think about that setup.
Is it fair to say the pB3000 is not a significant upgrade over the R115sw?
That would be a fair statement.
@@Youthman I was going to get a PB16ultra but was told my room was to small .14 x 13 x 10
You will just have a lot of headroom (which is a good thing). th-cam.com/video/QIVY94-M1SY/w-d-xo.html
The last thing you want to do though is to buy a Subwoofer that is struggling at high-volume to reach the SPL levels that you want
@@Youthman I will get one , and still incorporate the Dual 15s , sell them nxt year and buy a second 16 ultra , sounds like a plan 😀
@@Youthman I am now one of you patreons
Very nice video. Seems like you get some room gain with that klipsch since sealed subwoofer usually don’t have as steep off a roll off so they take more advantage Of room gain.
The R-115SW is actually ported. The bottom front has a slotted port
Youthman My bad. Did not know that. Great video anyways. I was the first like btw
No worries. A lot of people miss it too
Youthman I thought I sounded so smart aswell lol.
I still think you are smart. If it makes you feel better, I had two errors in my most recent video, had to delete it, correct the video and re-upload.
We all make mistakes. I’m completely ok with that
Lower freq is where size matters. Sometimes the design can help ..but lower Hz is better with size.
Assuming you are referring to size of driver, not the size of the cabinet
@@Youthman - Both can play a factor.. but driver size mostly ..yes.
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Thanks!
It’s funny how they both follow the same pattern except for the lower registers. Just goes to show that’s your room and the subs are playing flat
That’s good to know. I still have a lot to learn about measuring and interpreting the graphs.
Whats better the r115 or the SPL 150?
I’m not certain as I have not heard the SPL-150
Interesting, nothing against svs but a subwoofer should have a gradual roll off not sharp.
Someone suggested their DSP is set to do that
I’m curious why svs chose to use such a sharp slope
Not sure.
I’m sure they have a reason
Well, can’t say there’s much info below 20hz anyway.
Close the ports on the SVS and you should see it go deeper.
Is it true that a closed enclosure can play lower notes than a ported enclosure?
Sealed typically play lower but at lower SPL.
@@Youthman
It all comes down to whether you actually need the sub to play that loud.
I find a monster subwoofer on internet ,the stereo integrity hs-24 mkiii it would be great to review that beast ,thank you
Oh for sure! I’m not much of a DIY guy as I’m not very handy but check out my friend’s channel, Life of Bliss. He just bought 4 of them!
I think you have to raise levels on each sub slowly to reach compression, and then compare the curves, the Klipsch shouldnt be 6db lower for the most part, and in your test before it was only 3db,
But of course, you can still see advantage in lower frequencys for the Klipsch, and THAT supprises me a lot, I thoght the SVS would bet the Klipsch by far at lower frequencys, strange!!!!!!
Someone else mentioned I could have changed by 1dB to see when compression actually occurred. I am pretty new to REW. Learn something new every day
@@Youthman that is the way to learn, nobody knows eveything, we all learn... In this case it really does not matter as we can clearly see the graph on both subs, the one that suprises me is that SVS dips in the low end, maybee some sort of filter activated... The klipsch 115 isnt knows for its low end power, its a +25hz sub, many tests show that... I just thought the SVS would be much stronger below 20hz.. wich it should be..
someone else mentioned "This is a snippet from the SVS webpage concerning their subwoofers. 'Roll-off slope specifically optimized to take maximum advantage of available room gain.'"
Apparently SVS mentions on their website that they intentionally added a steep rolloff to help with room gain?
Svs has a low cut filter on
How often does anyone have to replace a sub amp with klipsch? Because im wondering if its even worth purchasing an amp replacement for my sw-112
Who knows
@@Youthman yeah, I'm thinking it's worth it because there's no sub that will perform as well with my budget so I'll just spend the 192 bucks and get the amp
2 times in 3y on 115sw
According to the SVS charts on their website, if you put it into sealed mode with the foam bits, you'll see less total output, but a less steep drop off. Nice video!
Thanks but I’m not sure why one would buy a ported sub to seal it. 😀
Youthman to tune it to your room
Explain. Not sure I understand
@@Youthman They come with foam plugs that fill in the ports. It adjusts the frequencies, makes it act more like a sealed sub.
I understand that, I just did not understand the statement of tuning it to your room
Kudos again. I suggest you do a low frequency test on your ears with the sub. If you can hear 10-20 hz even at low db it is still beneficial especially if you also feel it.
True but if it’s super faint, not much benefit. I might be wrong
Who wins to you?
I haven’t tested in real world scenarios but if I had to base it solely on this test, my thought would be to buy a pair of R-115SW and you should have the same SPL but also benefit from a smoother bass response throughout the room.
@@Youthman I'm afraid to buy klipsch cause the svs has the clipping protection that klipsch don't have, I guess.
SVS makes great products too. Nothing wrong with that.
@@Youthman My only concerns that I don't decided yet, at same price point we have PB2000 SVS vs R115SW from klipsch. I can't decide. hahaha
Most air-sucking mortals can't hear much below 20 Hz. I just ordered the Klipsch SPL-150, only because it came free with my order for a pair of their RP-8000F II. I never would have paid the original price of $1399.00 for the SPL-150 Sub. Maybe that's why they gave it for free with my order.
You are correct, most people cannot hear below 20 Hz but you can certainly feel it. Once you experience single digits, it’s incredible.
Yeah, I don’t feel $1,399 is a fair price for the SPL-150 when the R-115SW was only $799.
Both subs r true to by their specs mentioned honestly.
For sure
SECOND as well...
FAIL BIGTIME!!!!!!"10hz we lost all output, so definately you not gonna hear alot of this if any. Because you lost 30db output." Hahahaha. Im interested . You know anything about human hearing????? Human cant hear below 20Hz no matter how high the db is. This is fact. And you talkng about hearing at10Hz?? Just show you know nothing about sound and human hearing. Wich is fun considering the channel you have.
I am fully aware that you cannot hear subsonic frequencies, but you can certainly feel them. I will have to go back and watch to see what I said.
Thanks for watching.
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