@@vervor calm down, it wouldn't even compete anything above the line..and the academy bias against Sci-fi and love for biopics.. Oppenheimer would still be the front runner and Nolan would take home the prize easy..WB was actually smart to move it to 2024 because of less competition. I don't even think Denis would make the cut for 2023 director race.
@@pb.j.1753 yah this film twitter narrative that Dune 2 coming out in 2023 would sweep the Oscars and how Chris Nolan is counting his blessings about it is getting ridiculous..Nolan and Oppenheimer would suffer some losses below the line sure..but now way in hell himself, Cillian, Rdj and the film not taking home the statues.
One of my minor nitpicks of Dune Part Two is the cliffhanger ending. They could’ve left the mention of war with all the other houses out and given this film a better ending on Paul just getting the win over the Harkonens and the Emperor. And then Part Three could bring in the rest of the war.
It is not a cliffhanger. There isn't a question of what's going to happen next after the credits roll. Paul has completed his transformation in the Messiah, the story started in one is completed. The next film will explore the consequences.
@@heavybattle6650yeah, idk why people think it’s a cliffhanger, great end to his character, and in itself is a cautionary tale of worshipping idols and a man’s quest for power. It’s like the Truman Show, Truman leaves The Truman Show, and we don’t know what happens after, you don’t need to know, that’s the end of his character arc. And Paul completes his arc in this movie
Once the trilogy ends, Dune will be the most awarded franchise in film history. If Javier Bardem can get an Oscar nomination for ‘Being the Ricardo’s’ then he should win it 10x over for his performance here. I don’t see how this doesn’t repeat all the Oscar success from Part 1 - and you can obviously add Director and the phenomenal costumes.
@mateo6482 i would hope that dune can achieve the same level of respect in sci fi films as LOTR in fantasy films. Sci fi requires tech pushed to its limits, so an accomplishment of this scale has only been achievable for maybe 10 years Thank God it was dune
@@mateo6482I mean just in terms of maths - Dune Part 1 already won as many Oscars as Fellowship and Two Towers combined. I genuinely think Part 2 will win more because there’s no way Denis will be overlooked this time and the costumes were incredible. Austin Butlers bald cap could get another win for makeup as well.
Another thing to note with score is the academy generally doesn’t give sequels best score if it won for the previous film. It generally doesn’t count as original. The exception to the rule is John Williams but that’s because the Academy is biased (this is coming from someone who’s favourite composer is John Williams)
Let's see what else comes out this year, but if nothing crazy comes out hans fs deserves it. Hans tends to do stunning work on sequels for movies he wrote the main themes for the original
I thought it was clear that where Paul ends up is undoubtedly a terrible, terrible thing and the absolute worst possible outcome for everyone. Chani and Stilgar served as the perfect showcase as to why this is such an upsetting outcome. Haven’t read the books but idk, having millions of the fiercest warriors in the universe putting all their faith on him, essentially giving their lives in his name seems like a horrific outcome, i mean, one of the first things he does as leader is ordering his men to send those who oppose him to “paradise”
Yeah, I agree with this. Hell, Herbert wrote Dune: Messiah as essentially an answer book because most people saw him as a hero and not as a warning of Messianic figures like he meant it to be. And the ending is basically rewritten here in the film to make it much less ambiguous (ie Chani leaving in anger) than the original book dictated.
That was not chani and now they gonna change dune messiah to fit what they put don't tell me it's dune messiah it's not faithful to frank Herbert's novels your LIAR!!!!!!!
@@travisgray8376herbert was frustrated by how many people thought that paul was a hero when he was always meant to be an antihero, they changed chani’s character to make it more obvious and prevent people from misunderstanding again. tho people are still idolizing paul so idk how effective it was.
In all honestly I'd like to see Timothée nominated. Doubt it'll happen but I can see it if the film has a great day. People are really paying attention to how well he sells the character arc.
I think really part 1 and 2 function as a single film story wise almost. I found it mighty impressive how well the second picks off where the first left it
Arguably, the same will be true of these two films when seen in the context of a later "Messiah" that (as I have no doubt it will be) is faithful to the spirit of the overall story: this is a modern Greek tragedy, told over a series of books, now being told over a series of films. I doubt that even "Messiah" can give proper "closure" to the story since the "curse of the gods" being depicted extends into at least the next generation...
A rare case where the sequel surpasses the first film, just outstanding narratively and visually, the chemistry between the cast was perfect and the overall production was truly an incomparable cinematic experience I hope this film gets the nominations it deserves 👏🏼👏🏼
I will bet that this will win - Best VFX - Best Score - Best Sound - Best Cinematography - Maybe Director, Costumes, Makeup, and Production design Overall I think this might preform the worst based on its quality for this franchise; It’s the second of the Trilogy
In regards to acting nominations: people also said Christopher Nolan films weren’t the kind of movies that got actors nominated. But then Oppenheimer came out and changed the game there. If this year’s slate isn’t as crowded, and it achieves Oppenheimer-level box office success to go along with the near-universal praise from everyone, it can be Denis’ Oppenheimer in that regard.
Dune 3 (Dune Messiah) is NOT going to close all these threads. If you are looking for answers you are looking at the wrong series. The Dune series of books are like philosophy classes. They help us figure out the right questions, not the answers. And, this is okay because learning how to think and that in reality the only thing we know for sure is that we know nothing is the real goal.
for the past couple years I've honestly felt the male categories have not been nearly as strong as the womens so for that reason I think Timmy is possible and Javier is very possible for nominations. I thought Rebecca and Zendaya were amazing but there may no room for them.
You guys need to consider for cinematography that neither LOTR sequel was nominated after the first one. There’s no reason to believe that won’t also happen here.
Compared to the first, this one was more action-packed yet still more politically intriguing due to the dichotomy of Fremen society. Very nuanced but still accessible to a casual like me.
Chalamet deserves nom, he played two characters there and totally aced it, major kudos for delivering a speech in a different language with great conviction. That scene shook me.
In the current political climate in Occupied Palestine, this movie felt eerily timely and damning. People who don’t see the similarities between Dune and our ugly world are not paying attention. It’s not just a sci-fi genre film.
(Good) "Sci-Fi" is never just "Sci-Fi"... ... but it is astonishing how relevant this 60 year-old story is in the current environment on so many levels.
Can we talk about the likely fact that Dune 2, Joker 2 and maybe Furiosa will be major competitors in the next awards season. Two blockbuster genre films (maybe three) getting awards recognition in major categories in the same year, how long has it been since that happened ?
@@chiongzumeng but top gun and avatar were never real competitors, except for the technical categories (and not the mention that Top Gun being a serious awards contender was more of a media pipe dream) Those two can compete in the major categories as well as the technical ones, and they have an artistic flourish to them that none of the two in the previous year had.
Such a great point about the action POVs. Also from what I’m hearing about Messiah, I just don’t know if it’s going to give audiences the resolution they want, certainly not a triumphant or heroic ending line a LOTR or Star Wars.
This movie didn’t work for me in a standard theatre. It was never engaging. But when I saw it in IMAX, then I understood the praise for the sound design of the movie. I still wish they had put in a bit more of the intrigue politically, it felt like a lot got cut short, but I’d give it a 4/5 7.5/10.
I will say yes it can easily repeat its noms. However! The Academy really did Lord of the Rings Two Towers dirty with only 6 nominations. I’m sure there’s pros why it won’t happen here but just something to consider
Ooh yeah I saw this a few days ago. I think I’m gonna have to see it again cause I liked it but it was kind of overwhelming and I guess I didn’t know how to fully feel about it
I wasn't sure if Austin Butler was up for portraying Feyd Rautha and I was blown away! He delivered masterfully. My only complaint is that he deserved more screen time. Other than that personal gripe it was a flawless movie!
I wonder if it's going to be a Lord of the Rings scenario, where Dune 2 will get some Tech crumbs and then Dune 3 will get all the big stuff as a accolade for the whole trilogy.
don’t wanna spoil much but the bene geserit are very influential in what is going on. they had their plan for the future where Paul would be a woman and marry Feyd, then have a child who would be the messiah, however Leto wanted a son and because of her love for him, Jessica had one
While I do think that our knowledge of his prophecies enhances our dread regarding the outcome of the film, I think the events of the story alone are also critical. He does a total 180 on the beliefs he wanted to assume; taking on a messianic title, weaponizing religious fundamentalism as a means of control, taking up vengeance as a motivator, using nuclear weapons, etc., all demonstrate his spiritual corruption. We knew he felt the temptation of these feelings in part 1 and the beginning of part 2, but seeing him fully give in was soul crushing for me at least. But the prophecies absolutely amplify that up given we know he knows the outcomes, which makes it even more nefarious by orders of magnitude.
What occurs is clear in my opinion, is the characters' lack of real choice. The bene gesserit are the real controllers. If you remember Paul in severe distress in Part One and lashing out at his mother, that she "made him a freak". Time and incidents are being controlled by Jessica and the B.G. What would be incredible is if Paul flipped the script on everyone. A bit like what his mother did when she defied the order of the B.G.'s and gave birth to Paul (instead of a girl), out of love... Love for Chani will cause him ( I hope), to sacrifice whatever that is that he is yielding to and to become a man like his father. Oh and this may be a departure from the source material, which I have not read but know a fair bit about, AND the director has already indicated by the end of Part 2 that he is willing to do that.
Unquestionably Dune Part 2. It is far more immersive and epic. It has deeper themes and is thus more emotionally resonant. The Batman is also amazing, though.
I didn’t think I would say that but I think Austin Butler is my favorite side character here… and I hated Elvis and the way he never got out of that role, but I saw him as something else for the first time here, and the black and white cinematography when he was introduced was IMMACULATE!
Yeah the sound design is impeccable. There are moments when the sound takes over the scene and you just go Wow! That's different and adds to the beauty of the film. I kinda want to watch it again!
I think it’s possible the directors branch & academy don’t respect Denis as much as film twitter and letterboxd does. Maybe they think his films are carried by the best DPs in the game. His movies are green screen fests, it makes you wonder? hmm
It shows this set of twins hasn't read the books - and that's exciting since they seem ripe for the full Greek tragedy that is this modern story of the Atreides. (Interestingly, there seem to be many sets of twins among Dune , its imitators and, I've noticed, among TH-camrs commenting on Dune!)
I'm predicting Dune Part Two to get nominated for - Picture, Director, Editing, Cinematography, Production Design, Score, Costume Design, Make-Up and Hairstyling, Visual Effects, and Sound. I'm predicting wins in Cinematography, Production Design, Visual Effects, and Sound Box Office will probably be between 1-1.4 billion If it wins best picture it could also be nominated for Adapted Screenplay, Supporting Actor (Javier Bardem), and Supporting Actress (Zendaya) but i'm not predicting those. I still believe Sing Sing will win instead due to shedding light on unique original voices
Yes but it won during a COVID year where it was the only technical achievement film to come out. This year if Gladiator II is good, fingers crossed, they will both split most of the tech awards! Gladiator should take costume design and score
this film deserves all the awards love but maybe Denis gets nominated this time...I dont think he'll win until Messiah which could win Best Picture too if it ends the trilogy well
6:22 can someone walk me through why this movie worked on a character level for them? (Spoilers) I feel like Paul spent the film adamantly rejecting his messianic role, and then at the beginning of act 3 he drinks the water of life and decides to be more like the harkonnens. The spectacle and the craft aside, the movie just felt really empty to me. His character change felt arbitrary and hollow
I believe this is a deliberate setup for Dune Messiah. Paul's character arc is only just beginning or somewhere in the middle maybe?. Land the bombshells near the end then viola! Everyone needs answers.
Part 2 is miles better than Part 1. I went back to the 2021 film a few nights ago and was surprised how much it came across as worse. a lot of that movie is very "tutorial like" like a video game or something. the first 30 minutes or so are very clunky but the Harkonnen invasion goes insanely hard.
Early to tell but I just don't imagine it losing Best Director to anyone. This was the best direction of VIlleneuve's career. I didn't feel the first hour and a half in the slightest I was completely soaked in, it developed the relations between Paul, Chani and the Fremen beautifully and introduced Feyd Raufa in that jaw-dropping arena, then there was 30 minutes of plotting and set up that were less impressive but necessary and then the last 30 minutes with the rallying of the Fremen, the battle and the vengeance were like a giant rush of emotion. And at the end I could easily watch another 1 hour. Yeah, maybe it won't win Best Picture (100 percent is getting nominated) or get Screenplay or acting nominations but unless something truly blows my mind this year, "I DIPLY LOVE IT" deserves Director.
Knowing what is to come (in the story of "Messiah"), the Academy may be reluctant to bestow "best picture" and "best director" honours on Part II since they might be forced to do it again for the next (and maybe not last) installment in the series. (After all, a lot of these honours have little to do with a single film or single performance and a lot to do with recognizing a cumulative contribution to the movie biz...) It's much the same reason "best actor", "best actress" and "best supporting actor" honours for Chalamet, Zendaya or Butler are unlikely: while they might get nominated, they're just too young and may have long careers ahead of them. They'll need to show us more before they start gathering up wins like some Hollywood icons have done... But "best supporting actress" for Ferguson (and "best adapted screenplay" for Villeneuve and Spaith) are quite another matter...
I agree that the sound was the highlight and fucking insane. Between this and The Zone of Interest, we are experiencing in a few months the most sublime uses of sound in film history in two polar opposite ways.
@@tonyg76 It wasn't that it was loud. It was that it made you feel like you were actually riding a sandworm, actually getting compelled by the voice, actually there in the battles.
@@purekinema No, it was loud and overwhelming to me. All that other stuff is overshadowed by me feeling overwhelmed by all of it. It was not a good sensory experience.
I respect the brothers’ opinions here, but I’m baffled how anyone can say Dune Messiah isn’t peak Dennis Villeneuve. I think even Dennis himself would disagree here! This is his lifelong passion project, what he was dreaming up as a kid. And Part 2 here is the ultimate execution of that dream. Also just ask yourself, what fantasy movie has been at this level of quality in the last decade? There is little to no comparison
Well first off, Gravity and Interstellar aren't fantasy. Im iffy on calling Mad Max fantasy even. But Avatar Way of Water, Ill agree on that @@sreyangovender3404
Well, it's how the books go. The first book is simply Dune, and Dune Part 1 and Part 2 are roughly the two halves of it. The following book is called Dune Messiah. Dune is more than twice the length of Dune Messiah.
This film was not a "masterpiece", but honestly it was exactly what I wanted out of a blockbuster. It has AMAZING action set pieces that didn't overstay their welcome, it had a very compelling story, and most of all it had a unique message and actually made you think (in this movie about Religion, Prophecies, and political leaders). So, I'd give it a 9/10, or even 9.5/10. Again, a lot is leaning on a Part 3, but I don't see that as an issue and I can't remember the last time I've enjoyed a blockbuster as much as this. Part 1 was good certainly, but it just did not hit the same itch that this movie did.
[Spoilers only for first Dune book] - Messiah does have more answers, but the first book and movie already made it clear that the Bene Gesserit paved the way for the Lisan Al Gaib. Paul is only the “messiah” because the Bene Gesserit needed one, they fabricated a fictional prophesy generations ago and planted the seed in Fremen culture. This is all just to facilitate their own ultimate prophet, the Kwisatz Haderach. But the Bene Gesserit plan failed, because they can’t control Paul! He was a premature messiah, not the one they hoped to puppet. So yes the Bene Gesserit is behind all of it, but because of Lady Jessica’s own actions their plan has failed and Paul is now a rogue messiah waging his holy war (which was NOT the plan!)
I might be overly generous, but I (as someone who just started the first book) think Paul is a generally good guy, who knows that there will be a terrible cost if he takes over. The events of the first half of this movie exist largely to show that the cost of him not taking over will be higher. Then, once he’s drank the water of life, he “Dr. Strange’s” and suddenly sees every possible future ahead of him and can no longer avoid responsibility and must now choose “the lesser evil” because (given his newfound omnipotence) no matter what happens, it’s his fault anyways.
@@wanf872 odd, I’m only about half way through the first novel, but so far he is the same generally moral guy from the movie. I guess I’ll see how much he changes after “the water of life”.
thought like the first movie, the action scenes were shafted so badly. Great setup, atmosphere and cinematography. But ends in a few shots and it cuts to the main crew getting where they need to with what it feels like ZERO resistance. I guess denis Villanueve just doesn't want to spend too much time on a grand action scene, but give us some great long shots. But for an epic sci-fi, just chuck us a bone give us an amazing grand action sequence!
For me the acting completely carried this film. I was very moved by Zendeya especially, as many moments hinge on her completely to really feel the full effect of the emotional beats in the film. The visuals are cool and it sounds cool and yada yada, but with a lack of (good) dialogue and fairly minimalist storytelling, the film leans super heavily into the performances which I was pleasently surprised by, as the acting was fairly stiff and one of the weaker points of the first film.
@@sreyangovender3404 she was the only reason the emotional beats hit for me, and some of the dumb dialogue i do not attribute to her performance and it works despite the writing
These Dune movies have done for blockbuster filmmaking in the 2020’s what Nirvana did for rock music. They’re well-crafted, more mature and thoughtful alternatives to the over-produced sludge of the MCU and its blockbuster peers, yet they’ve had such an impact on pop culture that they’ve become mainstream and made superheroes uncool.
Part 1 left me speechless, Part 2 was really good but felt too hectic at times jumping from one action scene to the next without taking its time like the first movie did. Still a Top 10 movie of the year probably.
It’s hard to take these takes/scores that seriously when yall don’t care to read more about the world. Not even knowing how to pronounce or spell words from the film is embarrassing.
I hated the first one. It was grand and over the top but BORING. All style no substance. Big sets,big costumes, huge vfx, etc but the story was boring. Fell asleep
The movie about political and religious manipulations, full of sci-fi concepts and cultures we’ve never seen on camera had so substance? Sounds like it went over your head
What a terrible take regarding his career, his best movies are Dune: Part 2, Prisoners and Incendies, followed closely by Arrival and Dune: Part 1. Blade Runner 2049 and Sicario are his weakest ones along with Enemy.
Now i’m laughing trying to imagine a female watching this movie or any Denis movie haha. Or Oppenheimer lol. They just can’t handle this type of stuff usually 😆
You are wrong!! Seen Oppenheimer twice! Seen Dune twice! Seen Dune2 twice already. Loved Bladerunner 2049! Loved Arrival!! Signed a 66 year old Black woman!!
If Villanueve somehow misses director again i will commit a small crime
I think the crime will be major actually 😂
Petty Larsen, perhaps a parking violation
Are you referring to sicario?
@@3rd_iimpact No. Dune Part One
Same! If Denis Villeneuve does not get a best director nomination, I will go to Walmart and eat all the playdough!
I’m so glad they delayed Dune Part 2 to this year. I can’t bear the thought of it and Oppenheimer competing in the same Oscar ceremony
It blows Oppenheimer out of the water.
@@vervor calm down, it wouldn't even compete anything above the line..and the academy bias against Sci-fi and love for biopics.. Oppenheimer would still be the front runner and Nolan would take home the prize easy..WB was actually smart to move it to 2024 because of less competition. I don't even think Denis would make the cut for 2023 director race.
People acting like the Academy‘s director branch did not snub Villeneuve for directing Dune before. Deluluuu
@@pb.j.1753 yah this film twitter narrative that Dune 2 coming out in 2023 would sweep the Oscars and how Chris Nolan is counting his blessings about it is getting ridiculous..Nolan and Oppenheimer would suffer some losses below the line sure..but now way in hell himself, Cillian, Rdj and the film not taking home the statues.
I still thinks that Oppenheimer is better, even when I love sci fi
It ends on a much bigger cliffhanger than the first one but nobody seems to notice.
The first one doesn't have a cliffhanger at all. It ends suddenly. This one at least has a great cliffhanger.
It ends pretty much exactly where the book does
One of my minor nitpicks of Dune Part Two is the cliffhanger ending. They could’ve left the mention of war with all the other houses out and given this film a better ending on Paul just getting the win over the Harkonens and the Emperor. And then Part Three could bring in the rest of the war.
It is not a cliffhanger. There isn't a question of what's going to happen next after the credits roll. Paul has completed his transformation in the Messiah, the story started in one is completed. The next film will explore the consequences.
@@heavybattle6650yeah, idk why people think it’s a cliffhanger, great end to his character, and in itself is a cautionary tale of worshipping idols and a man’s quest for power. It’s like the Truman Show, Truman leaves The Truman Show, and we don’t know what happens after, you don’t need to know, that’s the end of his character arc. And Paul completes his arc in this movie
In the word of Al Pacino in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood “what a picture”
Once the trilogy ends, Dune will be the most awarded franchise in film history.
If Javier Bardem can get an Oscar nomination for ‘Being the Ricardo’s’ then he should win it 10x over for his performance here.
I don’t see how this doesn’t repeat all the Oscar success from Part 1 - and you can obviously add Director and the phenomenal costumes.
Although I’d absolutley love to see it, I don’t think dune will ever be as celebrated as Lord of The Rings
@mateo6482 i would hope that dune can achieve the same level of respect in sci fi films as LOTR in fantasy films. Sci fi requires tech pushed to its limits, so an accomplishment of this scale has only been achievable for maybe 10 years
Thank God it was dune
@@mateo6482I mean just in terms of maths - Dune Part 1 already won as many Oscars as Fellowship and Two Towers combined. I genuinely think Part 2 will win more because there’s no way Denis will be overlooked this time and the costumes were incredible. Austin Butlers bald cap could get another win for makeup as well.
Austin Butler is getting that oscar nomination and not bardem
Another thing to note with score is the academy generally doesn’t give sequels best score if it won for the previous film. It generally doesn’t count as original. The exception to the rule is John Williams but that’s because the Academy is biased (this is coming from someone who’s favourite composer is John Williams)
Like Howard Shore in the LOTR trilogy, if only the Academy would nominate Harry Gregson-Williams or have Danny Elfman a win.
Let's see what else comes out this year, but if nothing crazy comes out hans fs deserves it. Hans tends to do stunning work on sequels for movies he wrote the main themes for the original
Timmy was on one in this film. Fantastic work.
I thought it was clear that where Paul ends up is undoubtedly a terrible, terrible thing and the absolute worst possible outcome for everyone. Chani and Stilgar served as the perfect showcase as to why this is such an upsetting outcome.
Haven’t read the books but idk, having millions of the fiercest warriors in the universe putting all their faith on him, essentially giving their lives in his name seems like a horrific outcome, i mean, one of the first things he does as leader is ordering his men to send those who oppose him to “paradise”
Yeah, I agree with this. Hell, Herbert wrote Dune: Messiah as essentially an answer book because most people saw him as a hero and not as a warning of Messianic figures like he meant it to be. And the ending is basically rewritten here in the film to make it much less ambiguous (ie Chani leaving in anger) than the original book dictated.
That was not chani and now they gonna change dune messiah to fit what they put don't tell me it's dune messiah it's not faithful to frank Herbert's novels your LIAR!!!!!!!
@@travisgray8376 are you ok? lol
@@travisgray8376herbert was frustrated by how many people thought that paul was a hero when he was always meant to be an antihero, they changed chani’s character to make it more obvious and prevent people from misunderstanding again. tho people are still idolizing paul so idk how effective it was.
All I can say is Austin Butler as Feyd Rautha stole the show. He needed more screen time frankly
In all honestly I'd like to see Timothée nominated. Doubt it'll happen but I can see it if the film has a great day. People are really paying attention to how well he sells the character arc.
I also think Zendaya or Havier Bardem should get recognized for supporting roles
At this point cinematography, sound and visuals effects are locked. And it should win the bigger category.
i think costume and score as well
@@jawsh6044 yeah I want that.
Sound and Editing screams for an Oscar
Visual Effects is sort of a lock, but expect some competition by Furiosa and possibly Godzilla x Kong.
@@quintonposs3286Maybe not Godzilla. Godzilla: Minus One is the only Oscar-nominated Godzilla film
@@HaydenReviews5 Kong: Skull Island was nominated for Visual Effects.
If people can seriously nominate Barbie actor for awards. I don't see why they shouldn't nominate Dune Part Two actors.
I think really part 1 and 2 function as a single film story wise almost. I found it mighty impressive how well the second picks off where the first left it
Arguably, the same will be true of these two films when seen in the context of a later "Messiah" that (as I have no doubt it will be) is faithful to the spirit of the overall story: this is a modern Greek tragedy, told over a series of books, now being told over a series of films.
I doubt that even "Messiah" can give proper "closure" to the story since the "curse of the gods" being depicted extends into at least the next generation...
A rare case where the sequel surpasses the first film, just outstanding narratively and visually, the chemistry between the cast was perfect and the overall production was truly an incomparable cinematic experience I hope this film gets the nominations it deserves 👏🏼👏🏼
I strongly believe Timotheé will get a nom
I think Austin butler is gonna get awards talk for Feyd Rautha
Nice joke
@@pb.j.1753he’s the only one with a shot at a nomination
@@pb.j.1753he is the only one getting a nomination
I will bet that this will win
- Best VFX
- Best Score
- Best Sound
- Best Cinematography
- Maybe Director, Costumes, Makeup, and Production design
Overall I think this might preform the worst based on its quality for this franchise; It’s the second of the Trilogy
& cinematography
@@impmind7734 I forgor, Ima edit that in
Such a cliche, but it felt more like an experience instead of a film.
Excited to see how it holds up on 2nd viewing!
My jaw was dropped the entire time. Wow, just wow.
In regards to acting nominations: people also said Christopher Nolan films weren’t the kind of movies that got actors nominated. But then Oppenheimer came out and changed the game there. If this year’s slate isn’t as crowded, and it achieves Oppenheimer-level box office success to go along with the near-universal praise from everyone, it can be Denis’ Oppenheimer in that regard.
Dune 3 (Dune Messiah) is NOT going to close all these threads. If you are looking for answers you are looking at the wrong series. The Dune series of books are like philosophy classes. They help us figure out the right questions, not the answers. And, this is okay because learning how to think and that in reality the only thing we know for sure is that we know nothing is the real goal.
all the cast is amazing, bu really loved timothee, zendaya, jarvier and rebeca
Jealous clown you forgot Austin, Austin is the one getting the oscar norm, EAT YOUR HEART OUT!
I would argue that Wicked could be a production design/costume design threat next year though
for the past couple years I've honestly felt the male categories have not been nearly as strong as the womens so for that reason I think Timmy is possible and Javier is very possible for nominations. I thought Rebecca and Zendaya were amazing but there may no room for them.
You guys need to consider for cinematography that neither LOTR sequel was nominated after the first one. There’s no reason to believe that won’t also happen here.
Compared to the first, this one was more action-packed yet still more politically intriguing due to the dichotomy of Fremen society. Very nuanced but still accessible to a casual like me.
I’ll be really curious to see whether Chalamet gets the well-deserved nomination
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His performance unfortunately kept kicking me out of the experience otherwise great film.
i only see technical nominations in the cards
@@cookiehustle Agreed.
When I left the 70mm IMAX I felt like I had been baptised.
Chalamet deserves nom, he played two characters there and totally aced it, major kudos for delivering a speech in a different language with great conviction. That scene shook me.
In the current political climate in Occupied Palestine, this movie felt eerily timely and damning. People who don’t see the similarities between Dune and our ugly world are not paying attention. It’s not just a sci-fi genre film.
(Good) "Sci-Fi" is never just "Sci-Fi"...
... but it is astonishing how relevant this 60 year-old story is in the current environment on so many levels.
Damn can you people ever take a break with the online activism. Every movie you try to make this comparison. enough.
@@RB-.-god forbid people compare a movie about war to a war
Can we talk about the likely fact that Dune 2, Joker 2 and maybe Furiosa will be major competitors in the next awards season. Two blockbuster genre films (maybe three) getting awards recognition in major categories in the same year, how long has it been since that happened ?
last year with top gun and avatar
@@chiongzumeng but top gun and avatar were never real competitors, except for the technical categories (and not the mention that Top Gun being a serious awards contender was more of a media pipe dream) Those two can compete in the major categories as well as the technical ones, and they have an artistic flourish to them that none of the two in the previous year had.
Such a great point about the action POVs. Also from what I’m hearing about Messiah, I just don’t know if it’s going to give audiences the resolution they want, certainly not a triumphant or heroic ending line a LOTR or Star Wars.
“He sounded like a baby Stellan Skarsgard” couldn’t agree more
This movie didn’t work for me in a standard theatre. It was never engaging. But when I saw it in IMAX, then I understood the praise for the sound design of the movie. I still wish they had put in a bit more of the intrigue politically, it felt like a lot got cut short, but I’d give it a 4/5 7.5/10.
I will say yes it can easily repeat its noms. However! The Academy really did Lord of the Rings Two Towers dirty with only 6 nominations. I’m sure there’s pros why it won’t happen here but just something to consider
Ooh yeah I saw this a few days ago. I think I’m gonna have to see it again cause I liked it but it was kind of overwhelming and I guess I didn’t know how to fully feel about it
Welcome to the films of Denis Villeneuve!
I wasn't sure if Austin Butler was up for portraying Feyd Rautha and I was blown away! He delivered masterfully. My only complaint is that he deserved more screen time. Other than that personal gripe it was a flawless movie!
I wonder if it's going to be a Lord of the Rings scenario, where Dune 2 will get some Tech crumbs and then Dune 3 will get all the big stuff as a accolade for the whole trilogy.
don’t wanna spoil much but the bene geserit are very influential in what is going on. they had their plan for the future where Paul would be a woman and marry Feyd, then have a child who would be the messiah, however Leto wanted a son and because of her love for him, Jessica had one
What a spectacle this was, wow!
While I do think that our knowledge of his prophecies enhances our dread regarding the outcome of the film, I think the events of the story alone are also critical. He does a total 180 on the beliefs he wanted to assume; taking on a messianic title, weaponizing religious fundamentalism as a means of control, taking up vengeance as a motivator, using nuclear weapons, etc., all demonstrate his spiritual corruption. We knew he felt the temptation of these feelings in part 1 and the beginning of part 2, but seeing him fully give in was soul crushing for me at least. But the prophecies absolutely amplify that up given we know he knows the outcomes, which makes it even more nefarious by orders of magnitude.
What occurs is clear in my opinion, is the characters' lack of real choice. The bene gesserit are the real controllers. If you remember Paul in severe distress in Part One and lashing out at his mother, that she "made him a freak". Time and incidents are being controlled by Jessica and the B.G. What would be incredible is if Paul flipped the script on everyone. A bit like what his mother did when she defied the order of the B.G.'s and gave birth to Paul (instead of a girl), out of love... Love for Chani will cause him ( I hope), to sacrifice whatever that is that he is yielding to and to become a man like his father. Oh and this may be a departure from the source material, which I have not read but know a fair bit about, AND the director has already indicated by the end of Part 2 that he is willing to do that.
Literately amazing! Best sci-fi movie of all time!
I think Ferguson and Bardem could get supporting Oscar noms. And they'd deserve it!
Austin is the one getting the supporting oscar norm & not bardem!
What's better Dune Part 2 or The Batman?
Thats tough i think i respect The Batman more
The Batman is a more singular and complete story. More satisfying.
dune 2
Unquestionably Dune Part 2. It is far more immersive and epic. It has deeper themes and is thus more emotionally resonant. The Batman is also amazing, though.
The Batman is one of the most immersive movies i’ve ever seen. The worldbuilding and rain & sound of crime constantly going on is genius.
I didn’t think I would say that but I think Austin Butler is my favorite side character here… and I hated Elvis and the way he never got out of that role, but I saw him as something else for the first time here, and the black and white cinematography when he was introduced was IMMACULATE!
Yeah the sound design is impeccable. There are moments when the sound takes over the scene and you just go Wow! That's different and adds to the beauty of the film. I kinda want to watch it again!
the sound win is sooo locked
I literally just opened TH-cam to see if your channel has put a dune review yet! Damn you just dropped it
I think it’s possible the directors branch & academy don’t respect Denis as much as film twitter and letterboxd does. Maybe they think his films are carried by the best DPs in the game. His movies are green screen fests, it makes you wonder? hmm
Im gonna go see that tonight with my dad and sister
[hand raised in Italian] "Furioso!"
Seeing it tomorrow… can’t wait
Great vid 👍, Greg Fraser cinematography work will be studied for future film classes!
Love my arrival and sicario but this is villanueves Dark Knight
Can u guys review tyler perry new film mea culpa
It shows this set of twins hasn't read the books - and that's exciting since they seem ripe for the full Greek tragedy that is this modern story of the Atreides.
(Interestingly, there seem to be many sets of twins among Dune , its imitators and, I've noticed, among TH-camrs commenting on Dune!)
Fantastic video!
Read the books guys at least the first 3
Oppenheimer or Dune Part 2?
Why not both?
Oppenheimer is peak
Both are two of the best of the decade and will be remembered for years, but Oppenheimer by a hair
Both are best movies of the decade
Javier Bardem was the MVP and would make a great supporting actor nominee. You really missed him when he wasn't on the screen.
Austin Butler and not Bardem
I'm predicting Dune Part Two to get nominated for - Picture, Director, Editing, Cinematography, Production Design, Score, Costume Design, Make-Up and Hairstyling, Visual Effects, and Sound.
I'm predicting wins in Cinematography, Production Design, Visual Effects, and Sound
Box Office will probably be between 1-1.4 billion
If it wins best picture it could also be nominated for Adapted Screenplay, Supporting Actor (Javier Bardem), and Supporting Actress (Zendaya) but i'm not predicting those.
I still believe Sing Sing will win instead due to shedding light on unique original voices
Bru the first one won 6 awards, this is surely do better
Yes but it won during a COVID year where it was the only technical achievement film to come out.
This year if Gladiator II is good, fingers crossed, they will both split most of the tech awards! Gladiator should take costume design and score
Supporting Actor is Austin
this film deserves all the awards love but maybe Denis gets nominated this time...I dont think he'll win until Messiah which could win Best Picture too if it ends the trilogy well
Let’s gooo !!!!
seems brother bro lost his arm meat
6:22 can someone walk me through why this movie worked on a character level for them? (Spoilers) I feel like Paul spent the film adamantly rejecting his messianic role, and then at the beginning of act 3 he drinks the water of life and decides to be more like the harkonnens. The spectacle and the craft aside, the movie just felt really empty to me. His character change felt arbitrary and hollow
I believe this is a deliberate setup for Dune Messiah. Paul's character arc is only just beginning or somewhere in the middle maybe?. Land the bombshells near the end then viola! Everyone needs answers.
Dumb take
@@Czar_2017 thanks dude.
Part 2 is miles better than Part 1. I went back to the 2021 film a few nights ago and was surprised how much it came across as worse. a lot of that movie is very "tutorial like" like a video game or something. the first 30 minutes or so are very clunky but the Harkonnen invasion goes insanely hard.
Dune 1 is world building and character building. That doesn’t make it worse, you just have to understand it’s purpose
@@MrsTruthTeller this 👆
Looks celestial
🎥🍿🍿🐝
Early to tell but I just don't imagine it losing Best Director to anyone. This was the best direction of VIlleneuve's career. I didn't feel the first hour and a half in the slightest I was completely soaked in, it developed the relations between Paul, Chani and the Fremen beautifully and introduced Feyd Raufa in that jaw-dropping arena, then there was 30 minutes of plotting and set up that were less impressive but necessary and then the last 30 minutes with the rallying of the Fremen, the battle and the vengeance were like a giant rush of emotion. And at the end I could easily watch another 1 hour. Yeah, maybe it won't win Best Picture (100 percent is getting nominated) or get Screenplay or acting nominations but unless something truly blows my mind this year, "I DIPLY LOVE IT" deserves Director.
Knowing what is to come (in the story of "Messiah"), the Academy may be reluctant to bestow "best picture" and "best director" honours on Part II since they might be forced to do it again for the next (and maybe not last) installment in the series.
(After all, a lot of these honours have little to do with a single film or single performance and a lot to do with recognizing a cumulative contribution to the movie biz...)
It's much the same reason "best actor", "best actress" and "best supporting actor" honours for Chalamet, Zendaya or Butler are unlikely: while they might get nominated, they're just too young and may have long careers ahead of them. They'll need to show us more before they start gathering up wins like some Hollywood icons have done...
But "best supporting actress" for Ferguson (and "best adapted screenplay" for Villeneuve and Spaith) are quite another matter...
Sand...cat
I agree that the sound was the highlight and fucking insane. Between this and The Zone of Interest, we are experiencing in a few months the most sublime uses of sound in film history in two polar opposite ways.
THe sound was too loud and overwhelming. Sound being loud does not make it amazing.
@@tonyg76 It wasn't that it was loud. It was that it made you feel like you were actually riding a sandworm, actually getting compelled by the voice, actually there in the battles.
@@purekinema No, it was loud and overwhelming to me. All that other stuff is overshadowed by me feeling overwhelmed by all of it. It was not a good sensory experience.
@@tonyg76 Understood, everyone has their own threshold, I just meant that I didn't think it was amazing because it was loud.
@@purekinema Thanks for clarifying. I felt the same about the Oppenheimer sound so I sometimes wonder if the loudest movie wins the Oscar.
I respect the brothers’ opinions here, but I’m baffled how anyone can say Dune Messiah isn’t peak Dennis Villeneuve. I think even Dennis himself would disagree here! This is his lifelong passion project, what he was dreaming up as a kid. And Part 2 here is the ultimate execution of that dream. Also just ask yourself, what fantasy movie has been at this level of quality in the last decade? There is little to no comparison
Gravity
Mad Max: Fury Road
Interstellar
Avatar: The Way of Water
Well first off, Gravity and Interstellar aren't fantasy. Im iffy on calling Mad Max fantasy even. But Avatar Way of Water, Ill agree on that @@sreyangovender3404
07:46 Damn, really shoulda put a spoiler warning on this 😬
wait they're not really calling the next one Dune: Messiah after numbering the previous two are they 💀
It’s the name of the next book but I agree that that sort of thing is annoying
Well, it's how the books go. The first book is simply Dune, and Dune Part 1 and Part 2 are roughly the two halves of it. The following book is called Dune Messiah. Dune is more than twice the length of Dune Messiah.
Cinematic accomplishment of the decade! Nothing short of historic
All hyperbole. Was not even my favorite movie this year. I enjoyed Madame Web and Argylle more than Dune 2.
me when i lie@@tonyg76
Zendaya kinda broke my heart in this one
nobody mentioning the bizare cuts in a lot of the scenes
Nobody mentions the story
Can it get any better than Dune PT 2 for this current decade? IDK
Sure. In all seriousness, I enjoyed Madame Web and Argylle more than Dune 2.
@@tonyg76embarrassing to admit
@@DR-es5ey Not embarrassing at all. I am not apologizing for my likes/dislikes.
This will be this years Oppenheimer. It was big, dumb, and cheesy. 'As it was written' drove me nuts 😂
This film was not a "masterpiece", but honestly it was exactly what I wanted out of a blockbuster. It has AMAZING action set pieces that didn't overstay their welcome, it had a very compelling story, and most of all it had a unique message and actually made you think (in this movie about Religion, Prophecies, and political leaders). So, I'd give it a 9/10, or even 9.5/10. Again, a lot is leaning on a Part 3, but I don't see that as an issue and I can't remember the last time I've enjoyed a blockbuster as much as this.
Part 1 was good certainly, but it just did not hit the same itch that this movie did.
My picks for acting nominations are Rebecca Ferguson, Javier Bardem and Austin Butler. Think Butler and Bardem have the greatest chance.
Haven’t gotten a chance to see this yet but Bardem definitely makes the most sense to me. Dude has 4 nominations
@@seankoontz4235Austin is getting the oscar nomination and not bardem
[Spoilers only for first Dune book] - Messiah does have more answers, but the first book and movie already made it clear that the Bene Gesserit paved the way for the Lisan Al Gaib. Paul is only the “messiah” because the Bene Gesserit needed one, they fabricated a fictional prophesy generations ago and planted the seed in Fremen culture. This is all just to facilitate their own ultimate prophet, the Kwisatz Haderach. But the Bene Gesserit plan failed, because they can’t control Paul! He was a premature messiah, not the one they hoped to puppet.
So yes the Bene Gesserit is behind all of it, but because of Lady Jessica’s own actions their plan has failed and Paul is now a rogue messiah waging his holy war (which was NOT the plan!)
I might be overly generous, but I (as someone who just started the first book) think Paul is a generally good guy, who knows that there will be a terrible cost if he takes over. The events of the first half of this movie exist largely to show that the cost of him not taking over will be higher.
Then, once he’s drank the water of life, he “Dr. Strange’s” and suddenly sees every possible future ahead of him and can no longer avoid responsibility and must now choose “the lesser evil” because (given his newfound omnipotence) no matter what happens, it’s his fault anyways.
frank herbert would disagree with you about "generally good guy"
@@wanf872 odd, I’m only about half way through the first novel, but so far he is the same generally moral guy from the movie. I guess I’ll see how much he changes after “the water of life”.
thought like the first movie, the action scenes were shafted so badly. Great setup, atmosphere and cinematography. But ends in a few shots and it cuts to the main crew getting where they need to with what it feels like ZERO resistance.
I guess denis Villanueve just doesn't want to spend too much time on a grand action scene, but give us some great long shots. But for an epic sci-fi, just chuck us a bone give us an amazing grand action sequence!
The overwhelming victory with little resistance is very faithful to the book
Paul was pretty much a god by the end of book 1, dude sees all possible futures. Of course there's no resistance
Chalamet, Butler, Bardem and Ferguson should all get acting nominations if not wins.
As much as I despised having to wait longer for this film, I'm glad that we don't have Oppenheimer and Dune Part 2 competing for awards this year.
For me the acting completely carried this film. I was very moved by Zendeya especially, as many moments hinge on her completely to really feel the full effect of the emotional beats in the film. The visuals are cool and it sounds cool and yada yada, but with a lack of (good) dialogue and fairly minimalist storytelling, the film leans super heavily into the performances which I was pleasently surprised by, as the acting was fairly stiff and one of the weaker points of the first film.
Zendaya was the weakest performance in the film
@@sreyangovender3404 she was the only reason the emotional beats hit for me, and some of the dumb dialogue i do not attribute to her performance and it works despite the writing
1st better technically, 2nd better story.
These Dune movies have done for blockbuster filmmaking in the 2020’s what Nirvana did for rock music. They’re well-crafted, more mature and thoughtful alternatives to the over-produced sludge of the MCU and its blockbuster peers, yet they’ve had such an impact on pop culture that they’ve become mainstream and made superheroes uncool.
Part 1 left me speechless, Part 2 was really good but felt too hectic at times jumping from one action scene to the next without taking its time like the first movie did. Still a Top 10 movie of the year probably.
It’s hard to take these takes/scores that seriously when yall don’t care to read more about the world. Not even knowing how to pronounce or spell words from the film is embarrassing.
I hated the first one. It was grand and over the top but BORING. All style no substance.
Big sets,big costumes, huge vfx, etc but the story was boring. Fell asleep
Why? Where was substance lacking?
The movie about political and religious manipulations, full of sci-fi concepts and cultures we’ve never seen on camera had so substance? Sounds like it went over your head
I was, tbh, so bored…
A crime! Jail to you!
Me, too,
read the book.
Every critic is giving this film glowing reviews and im suspicious about this.
Except for David Ehrlich at Indiewire lol
… get a life. Something’s are just that good
1 out of 10...i give it a 3.
How come?
What a terrible take regarding his career, his best movies are Dune: Part 2, Prisoners and Incendies, followed closely by Arrival and Dune: Part 1. Blade Runner 2049 and Sicario are his weakest ones along with Enemy.
Nah I disagree with you calling 2049 and sicario his weakest but I do agree Dune part 2 is his best one so far
Now i’m laughing trying to imagine a female watching this movie or any Denis movie haha. Or Oppenheimer lol. They just can’t handle this type of stuff usually 😆
uhhhhh....
Seek help
Sicaro, prisoners, master pieces
What?😂🙃🙂
You are wrong!! Seen Oppenheimer twice! Seen Dune twice! Seen Dune2 twice already. Loved Bladerunner 2049! Loved Arrival!! Signed a 66 year old Black woman!!
Austin Butler gave the best performance in dune2 & deserves the oscar nomination & win for best supporting actor for dune2 & he would get it!!