Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan Deleted Scenes
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ย. 2024
- From the Captain Kirk Page: Two discarded scenes from Star Trek II: Wrath of Khan, that are not on the DVD or ABC versions. It includes a scene where Saavik is revealed to be half-Romulan, and a scene where Kirk introduces Saavik to David Marcus.
If you've got "Star Trek II" and "The Empire Strikes Back" in your sci-fi movie collection then you really don't need anything else.
Planet of the Apes (1968)
Colossus The Forbin Project
War of the Worlds
Alien
Aliens
2001: A Space Odyssey
Soylent Green
Blade Runner
The Matrix
Those 2 and Bladerunner , nothing else !!
Westworld.
Well I wouldn't say that.id also like to see the ALIENS or Terminator II G.D. or even other sci fi movies that are rare and hard to deleted scenes. I have a deleted scene from John Carpenters Escape From Yew York opening sequence I shows you why and how "Snake Plisken" got caught and in prison.
And the Blade Runner movies. Haven't needed anything else.
the scene where David tells Jim he's proud, very proud to be his son brings a tear to my eye every time
To or for me its the Burial Memorial of Skocks Funeral un torpedo tube. I can NOT watch it without crying mt eyes out. its so sad its like see one of your family funeral. it jusr seem so real or surreal that Spock actually had died.
The bit about her being half romulan explains Saavik's unVulcan habits, like when she swears during her Kobayashi Maru or cries at Spock's funeral
Right. I couldn't see Robin's Saavik doing that. T'Pol (towards the end of "Enterprise") maybe.
Before the film came out they were going to include that she was half Vulcan and Romulan .
@The Complaining Channel I was 38 when you made this comment. Now I'm 39.
I'd read that she was half-Romulan, but didn't know they filmed a scene saying that. Maybe it was in the paperback of the film?
@@speedracer1945 I'm not uber-trek or anything, so what I'm about to say could be wrong; but I thought the Romulans were Vulcans that shirked the idea of holding in their emotions? I'm positive there is a deeper lore to this.
This TRek film is quite excellent. Nichola Meyer & Have Bennet, director and producer did a magnificent job on this film, and we should all be grateful.
Grateful? Why? I paid for my ticket...!
And could have gotten Jar Jar Abram's lens flares...or worse.
I never knew Saavik was half Romulan - that explains why she seemed so emotional throughout the movie, compared to Humans at least. You live and learn.
One would only find this out in the novel, a deleted scene between Kirk and Spock, and various articles during that time. My friend Jean showed me the ones in Starlog then. She's a lot like Saavik at times.
@@virginiaconnor8350 I'd heard it but didn't remember where I read it; novelization or Starlog makes sense. Or maybe later reading something about Star Trek 3 or 4?
I've always hoped the deleted scene where the little girl walks up to Spock (and says something to him as he's walking down the stairs on Mt Selaya) would turn up but I've never seen it. That might be in the novel, too but it's been over 40 years since I read it...
Kristie Alley was hot then...
First Saavik, best Saavik
Matt Celis hear hear
super hot
She was asked to come back and continue saavik, but didn't want to be typecast. Too good for trek geek crowd I guess 😎
She did well with Look who's talking flicks and Cheers, kinda downhill after that
Just caught Kirstie on Buzzr as a normal contestant on Password Plus circa 1979. During her intro with Allen Ludden she claims she just moved out to CA and working as an interior designer, no indication she wanted to be an actor. I assume she was discovered by that appearance or similar
Instead of killing David, they should have let that particular ship set sail. And there’s still plenty of reasons for Kirk to hate Klingons. Hell he’s been doing it for 25 years.
These scenes were actually added back in for one release of the film; they were included in its original ABC-TV telecast as a "complete director's edition" on the ABC Sunday Night Movie after its run on premium cable; the only time it was shown with ALL of the edited out scenes and original scenes shoots. (Few cable cable channels in those days and the USA network got its start with public domain movies such as "Reefer Madness" and "Cocaine Fields," off-network game shows and infomercials.)
Funny, I've long heard the "Saavik is half-Romulan" stuff, but never got it straight from the horse's mouth. Thanks for the post!
I heard that too
It's mentioned in the original novelization of the film.
@ACLTony in the novel versions of trek 2 and 3, Saavik is highly emotional and is at constant war with herself to control her emotions. she was always an outcast among the Vulcans who found her as an orphan infant and raised her. when Preston died she went into a dark conference room and tore it apart with grief (in the book she is his tutor and did have a fondness for him) in 3, she and David have a relationship and killed one of the klingons bare handed before she was stunned
How true. Would have been a superior filmed scene for sure.
It's a shame they didn't keep the mention of Saavik being half-Romulan in the film. It's hinted at through her characterization, but it would have been nice to see it confirmed on film. Especially since Robin Curtis took her character in a radically different direction.
Yeah, she wanted her character mated with young Spock and carrying his child by the end of the movie. Not sure that would have worked out well.
@@windowshasyou5561 That was actually in the original script, and made it into the novelization. It was cut from the movie because Nimoy didn't feel right about Spock ditching his baby mama.
The entire point of these movies was to show that this experienced crew wasn't ready to stand down. Starfleet didn't have a young crew ready to replace them. Their experience was too valuable. They still had so much to contribute. In the Undiscovered Country they had created conditions for peace and assured their own legacy and were able to retire. In part because one of their own was ready for command. The funny thing is that Spock was suppose to live a long life as a vulcan, but they portrayed him as following the same life span as McCoy and Kirk. The other vulcans were intended to replace him. Yet unless he really wanted to go and do something else he didn't need to be replaced.
threshi that’s correct. Spock (Leonard Nimoy) appeared in the Season Five two-parter “Unification” from TNG. However, Gene Roddenberry wouldn’t live to see it happen. He died on October 24, 1991 of a massive heart attack at age 70. But both parts of “Unification” were dedicated to his memory.
@@darthkurland Remember them showing it as a full movie-length (well 90m) episode on Sky TV. I love all the 2-parter episodes of ST:TNG but this is one of the highest.
@@gdparry2727 even though this was a full-length theatrical feature.
@@darthkurland Someone isn't reading. He's talking about Unification, not ST VI.
I think her response about David's death was handled appropriately. If she had conveyed any more emotion, she would have tipped off Kruge quicker. Perhaps she held back, because she didn't want Kruge to know how important they were to Kirk.
True. But she was also afraid if she displayed any emotion, she might break down as well. As strong as she was, she must've felt somewhat vulnerable after seeing David get killed. He meant more to her than the dead cook hanging upside down. I'd like to have seen her breaking all the trays in the Klingon ("Bounty Bay") galley over their killing of David. As for how a'1/2 Vulcan, 1/2 Romulan girl got into Starfleet, I'm sure it was Spock who got her in. In "SFS", she tells them she's never been to Vulcan before. in "The Pandora Principle", Spock leaves her with a family that has children, yet she said she'd never had a home before she went to the Academy.
But did not Kruge hear Kirk say, "You Klingon basturd, you killed my son." ?
The revelation that Saavik is half-Romulan was in the extended trailer shown at sf cons. Not sure why the current copies are so degraded. The scene was as perfect as every other scene.
Sometimes, all that is available to show in these compilations, are discarded 'work-prints' or even worse, old 3/4" U-Matic video tapes made of a filmed scene and never used.
Yes it was
Yes it was
This is arguably my favourite Star Trek Movie so it's interesting to see these deleted scenes. It also goes a a little way towards explaining why David and Savick seem so familiar with each other in the sequel to this movie even if the hint towards this twist in the story line is very subtle
Agreed.
If Merritt Butrick's kin saw Star Trek VI:The Undiscovered Country,they must've felt a little sad when they saw the scene in which James Kirk puts a photo of his son David on his desk as he's making a recording in his log in his quarters on the Enterprise-A. Merritt's kin must've wondered why the movie wasn't dedicated to him after they saw a picture of him smiling.
Probably because the film was already carrying a dedication to “Star Trek” creator Gene Roddenberry. Between the two of them, Gene was more important to the franchise as a whole.
Gene Roddenberry had no say as Saavik originally written as Spocks male prtogee then changed to female was created - re written un-credited by Director Nicholas Meyer as his character.
In the Book, David and Saavik did have a fling together
Where she was also said to be 1/2 Romulan. The 3rd novel also suggests so too where Saavik tells David she's 1/2 Romulan. What the director-Nimoy-decided was up to him I guess. The books tell more than the movies and much gets left out anyway-for time mostly- like the mentioning of Saavik as 1/2 Romulan. Surprises are always in store and get left out if a series is cancelled or an actor is replaced. The second actor may play the character differently than the first-especially if another director sees the character some other way. Ex. The character of Illya Kuryakin in the new "The Man From U.N.C.L.E." movie was not the same Illya known in the tv series-snd therefore not as well recognised or accepted by fans as when David McCallum played him.
They also end up together in the alternate universe story The Chimes at Midnight
Yes. I think she even gets pregnant by David.
Oh my
Wew!@@alphabetaxenonzzzcat
these scenes should have been in the directors cut.
Yes,they should've been added.
Except the fact that there are REASONS why they cut scenes from the original take. I hate movies with "Director's cut" because they suck.
Robert Gantry they should have at least been on the special features disc as deleted scene.
I prefer the theatrical release way better. The scene where Kirk is climbing the ladder saying, "That young man is my son."
And Spock replies about 3 seconds later, "... ... ... fascinating..." completely interrupts the flow of the movie at that point. Would have preferred it left as a deleted scene. Same with Preston's "the admiral is blind as a Tiberian bat" line.
Robert Knight deleted scenes, plural.
Kirstie Alley's performance of Saavik was far superior, a better actress and you felt more warmth towards the character. Robin Curtis never struck me as being a particularly good actress, her performance didn't feel natural!
Ok. No wonder she gave it up to go into real estate in NY. She told me at a convention that she preferred do soap operas and the like, not scifi. She wasn't as prepared for the role as Kirstie was. Kirstie was a Trekker, not Robin.
I don't think Robin Curtis was to blame to be honest. Nimoy wanted Saavik as a full Vulcan. That's how he directed her. That's what she explained in an interview. I saw her more softer side in the Voyage Home.
Saavik was attracted to David and curious but she was obviously angry with him and upset but I also feel she was still grieving heavily for Spock. I think he was very much a father figure to her up until he died.
Then she and David find Spock as a little boy then rapidly aging. What could she do? Maybe his initial death was the point on which she wanted to embrace life as a full Vulcan and quash the emotional Romulan side.
David was an attraction to her yes but maybe this was the first time she felt that. The Kirk thing, cheating on the Genesis experiment, his humaness that was alien to her, maybe he wasn't what she needed, rather he was an attraction and she took this as an experiment. But then there was also Spock.
Poor Saavik lost two who meant something to her in a number of a few days.
@@ameliashephard2876 The fact that Valeris in ST6 was originally written as Saavik gives more weight to the character's distrust and hatred of Klingons, them having killed David in front of her-- especially if the half-Romulan side of her brought about romantic feelings.
I will always refer Robin Curtis as replacement Savaik
I liked Kirstie Alley better mainly begets she owned the role. Robin Curtis played an essentially different character for easons that were not her fault.
Give it time when all deleted scenes are finally shown it will then be put properly and they'll have a definitive directors cut of the movie.
@yourworsthell Yes, he knew Kirk was his father. He even calls him an "overgrown boy scout" to his mother.
The novelization had a romance including a sex scene for David and Saavik. When David died in ST3 (again, in the novelization), she stayed by his coffin all night guarding it as a way to show how much she cared for him. The whole thing would have been great to see on film.
You are both right on the money! I read many of the novels, and your comments jogged my memory. Peace Out!
A sex scene, huh? Would have been great to build upon that, showing later that Savik discovers she is pregnant with David's child, giving Kirk some measure of comfort in knowing that his son would live on in some form.
@@stevenbazinet3404 It would have been a nice way to know that the lineage of Kirk would not have died outb
Uh, Saavik was pregnant with Spock's child. It was a deleted scene in the Voyage Home.
Kirk asks her on the Bridge of the Klingon ship if she's told him yet. She hadn't. That's why she stays on Vulcan and was standing with Amanda when the Bounty left to have Spock's baby.
Would have been interesting had they continued with it. I think Spock was always a more suitable match for her any way in my opinion.
I recall it was not David's body she was protecting but Spock's. She re-programmed the tube so it would soft-land on Genesis and then sat with his tube all night. David was still alive here and carried young Spock for her so she could have access to her phaser if needed. A young Vulcan boy might have also been difficult for her to carry. He died by the Klingon's knife meant for Saavik. She exploded earlier in fury on the Enterprise because Peter's death was so unfair to her. She tore a chair out of a floor and broke it. She also told David their sexual get together was just an experiment. Remind you of anyone else? Wouldn't surprise me if that someone also didn't have an unknown Romulan father she didn't know (under different circumstances). Would've it be odd if her kidnapped mother was related to T'Les somehow?
@ironhandz1 Apparently loads of deleted scenes exist for TWOK, including footage where Terrell and Chekov discover children of Khan's followers in the Botany Bay. There's a few stills on the the Trek sites. Unfortunately only a small percentage of them have surfaced even after all this time.
The deleted scenes uploaded here are from a promotional reel which was shown to the press in the run up to TWOK's release. I wish Meyer had gathered them all for the DVD. Perhaps Paramount has lost them...
I highly doubt that. According to a very reliable source, all of that extra footage still exists in the Paramount vaults.
Well that explains why Saavik gets annoyed with Kirk at the beginning and why she cries at the end. Of course once she was recast in TSFS she's totally unemotional.
I only just learned that that gorgeous giant glass ball is a result of forced perspective. Only took me 40 years. Well played, Meyer. Well played.
the fact she was half romulan was in the film's novelization, out at the time. So was a scene where she tampered with the burial tube before launch.
She wanted it to land on Genesis instead of burning up in space. Hope was probably something Spock taught her.
I think he said "She's learning by doing..."
I know he says that.
Guess David liked seeing Saavik with her hair all the way down.
@all13Doctors Yes. Without the scene that shows the kid is his nephew, it doesn't make sense when Scotty is so upset over the one kid's death.
True. Though you could say that Preston's sacrifice was profound that it touched Scotty to his very soul. And considering this was a training voyage for him, Scotty felt responsible for his teaching and safety onboard the Enterprise.
@@mainstreetsaint36 Yes, but many people have died. That it was his nephew made it more personal.
Wow, am I late to this party or what? No matter, I, for one, think these scenes would have been an excellent addition to the film. It sort of explains Saavik's tears at the service for Spock - something that always bugged me.
I so wish they had included these - as well as the scene where Sulu was offered command of the Excelsior.
Agreed.
Was that ever filmed?
@@wmlau69 Apparently it was and if you pay attention when Sulu is talking with Kirk in the shuttle it looks like the scene was cut abruptly after he states any chance to go aboard the Enterprise and his mouth is still moving. According to Takei it was cut because of Shatners lack of enthusiasm in during the scene when delivering the lines. Its just one more reason Takei still has a grudge against Shatner to this day even though he should really move on already, especially considering its only him, Walter Koenig, and Shatner left from the TOS cast.
In hindsight, how can you have future Trek movies where Sulu is serving on a different ship? It will be difficult to write stories where both ships are involved.
@@wmlau69 Indeed, and I suspect Sulu’s presence in 3, 4, and 5 might have been different had this scene been included. Then again, in 3, he’s with the rest of the crew returning from Mutara, and then subsequently going rogue to rescue Spock, and same thing with 4, and by 6, he’s commanding the Excelsior anyway, so you’d really only have to change 5, I suppose.
This is simply amazing for me - having been a "Trekkie" since my father took me to see the very first Star Trek motion picture - before today I had NEVER known that these scenes even existed. Kudos to darthatton for posting it - and if I may be so bold; how the hell did you find these scenes? As Spock would say: "Fascinating!" And I also want to say that ST 11 looks VERY promising - an audience that was expecting to see ST 2 was instead tested for ST 11 and reactions were awesome. Nimoy intro'd!
This is the first time I have seen these scenes since April of 1982. I was at a sci-fi/fantasy/comic book convention at a community college in Overland Park, KS called "Fool's Con" and someone had brought in a bootleg video of a preview for ST2. It was probably meant for movie theater owners so they would have an idea of what the movie would be like. Several parts of that preview never made it to the final version of the film, including these two scenes.
I fell in love with the blooper reels just as much as seeing (and meeting) the actors. I never saw the bloopers again til I saw them on You Tube. I thought it might've been cool to put a related blooper at the end of each related episode, but then thought it might be difficult to do that. Maybe adding the seasonal blooper reels to the DVD sets would be easier. Before You Tube, not all Trekkers-whatever you want to call yourself-even knew what the blooper (and gag) reels were.
Sad that in the age of internet such a rare print is lost now. Here is hope someone digs it up and uploads it. I remember many VHS preview bootlegs from the 1980s being traded.
I would just want to see these extra moments in widescreen as bonus material on a future release of the film.
The novelization contained both of these elements (Saavik's being half-Romulan, and a relationship with David), and I very much enjoyed it. In fact, a whole new book named "The Pandora Principle" detailing Saavik's background story was inspired by it.
As for George Rodney and Star Trek VI I vehemently disagree. I'm with Roddenberry on that one, Saavik wouldn't have done that.
Who is Gene Rodney and why do we care what he thinks?
Matt Celis Gene Roddenberry was the creator of “Star Trek” and had a very strong opposition to turning Saavik into a traitor. I’m also with Gene on that one.
I missed the motivation for the Vulcan lieutenant in Star Trek 6. Was she just following orders?
@ACLTony I was sold on Kirstie Alley's cuteness factor.
The people who commissioned the home video releases probably don't even know about this footage. They're not fans like us, they're just suits who release a product. Many studios used to throw deleted footage in the trash!
There's tons of stuff from TWOK that hasn't been seen widely, Sulu's promotion, Terrell spotting a child at the Botany Bay site, the TV spots and promos, alternate takes, an interview with the CGI programmer who created the Genesis Proposal.
It needs a Criterion release. :)
JayArgonaut Yes exactly how true.
Would be nice to see it in 2022 as a 40 year special release
The romance thread was picked up in the novelization of TSFS.
In the novelization of Star Trek 3, David and Saavik first make love on the night of Spock's wake. There's also a part where Saavik is certain she can save David after he is wounded and she pleads with him to " stop fighting me. "
There was also a abandoned sub plot in Part IV where Saavik informs Kirk she is staying on Vulcan to carry a baby to term, Kirk's future grandchild.
I believe it suppose to be Spock's child.
The smirks on Saavik and David indicate they had already hooked up.
the scenes with scotty's nephew are on the directors edition DVD.
As well as the 2016 Blu-Ray release.
Funnily enough Nick Meyer didn’t sign off on that and Paramount had to change it. As they allowed him to recut VI in apology he let them keep that tag.
It was unfortunate those scenes were initially cut. James Doohan couldn't have been happy about it.
I saw an attraction between Saavik and David Marcus in ST3-TSFS. I considered the banter between them indicated romantic possibilities whether these scenes were kept in ST2-TWOK or not. IMHO, Peace Out!
I really wish they kept the “She’s half Romulan, Jim.” Part cuz it would have made me lay off of Kirstie Alley’s portrayal of a Vulcan way more. Because that part was taken out, I have always favored Robin Curtis as Saavik.
Robin's ok, but she's not a big"ST" or sci-fi fan. I thought her all-Vulcan manner was kind of wooden. Kirstie studied her chr.better and was better able to portray Saavik as a mixture of Romulan and Vulcan. I liked both better than Lt. Valeris. Even T'Pol got better as "Enterprise" progresses. Like Saavik, I found myself liking her more and more, along with her crewmmates.
@@virginiaconnor8350 But the point is it wasn't put in the film or in the director's cut. That means she was supposed to be portrayed AS a full-Vulcan. And please don't give me the "It was in the novel" excuse because almost no one reads novels. At least T'Pol can hide behind the "It was a much earlier time BEFORE Kir'Shara was found and finally studied and applied. Kirstie Alley did okay but she was way too emotional. Robin Curtis played Saavik waaaay more true to what a full-Vulcan is supposed to be. People just hate on her and even insult her performance just because she wasn't the first to play Saavik and she was a lesser known actress. I don't get it but I respect it so whatever. Robin Curtis will always be Saavik to me. I like Kirstie Alley but NOT as Saavik. That's just my opinion.
Tis ok. We all have our opinions, right or wrong. And I do read the novels. I was so peeved when I went to B&N and they didn't have any of the newer "Enterprise" books. I guess they must think we fans don't read and that it doesn't matter if they sell any or not. In that case, I just go to Book Nook or 2nd&Charles, etc. I also write my own, but don't publish them (I just put them in a drawer and keep them like a friend did and publish one when I'm in my '80's like David McCallum did). Actually, I like Robin and I think she did the best she could with the character. I guess maybe Leonard did away with describing her as 1/2 Vulcan. Fine with me because you're right that she was more Vulcan as T'Pol is (though some are suggesting she could be 1/2 Romulan too though until the character is said to be so by the main writers guidelines, I see her as all Vulcan).
@@alonzotanner1226 The deleted scenes, regardless of canon status, means that Kirsty was correct to portray the character as somewhat emotional... because when she was portraying the character, as this video shows, she was portraying a half-Romulan character. It's not her fault they cut the references after she portrayed the character as the character was initially intended to be portrayed.
@brch2 The point of the matter though is Meyer omitted this very imperative 15 second scene in the movie. I don’t think anything is really Alley’s fault. I just don’t think she played a good Vulcan. Too emotional for what was given in the movie and robotic in other aspects with nothing to support why. If you’re a Kirstie alley fan, fine. It’s not my job to sway you into thinking otherwise. But don’t try to rationalize why she will never do a better job playing a Vulcan than Robin Curtis cuz she didn’t and she never will. I’m sick of you hardcore Kirstie alley fans jumping so quick to her defense just cuz she played the role first. It’s ridiculous.
Any possible David Marcus / Saavik romance likely would've crashed horribly when he admitted to her that, like his father...he changed the rules - and used Proto Matter in the Genesis matrix. :(
She got downright angry at him, but I think she still loved him. I guess she felt she could teach him to think differently had he lived.
Originally in Star Trek 6, the writers had Savvik to be the traitor, but the idea was shelved and Valeris did the deed. The Director's Edition doesn't have those scenes in it, they are still on the cutting room floor.
What was her motivation? Just following orders?
Kirk was doing a good job as the commandant of Starfleet Academy.
Um, no. Curtis played "Vulcan as robot," a very uninspired interpretation.
Vulcans are not without emotion, but demonstrate a literally inhuman level of control and maturity. Quinto was pretty good in the movie, even if he could use a deeper voice, and Blalock did a nice job of showing her early distaste for dealing with brutish humans, along with a later (grudging) acceptance.
Even T'Pol got angry and showed emotion a few times, but she was also quite empathic towards Trip when Elizabeth died.
Tuvok played an excellent mature full Vulcan, too
@@virginiaconnor8350 from what i read if s5 happened it was going to reveal she was half rumlon her mum having had affair etc hence reason she is more emotional at.times.
James Doohan came to El Camino College in Torrance, CA in 1982 to promote ST II, and he showed this exact reel plus a 3rd season blooper reel which I have never seen anywhere else.
Wow. He sang at a convention I attended in Atlanta in '75. It was the sing Scotty sang in the one if thd animated episodes (" The Retlaw"?). He had a beautiful voice. De did too.
To be sure, however, it was never concretely established in STIII that Saavik was fully, 100% Vulcan; she simply is greatly familiar with Vulcan physiology (such as the Pon Farr experience), due to having lived most of her life among Vulcans.
According to one story, Spock left her in charge of his parents. Not so in "The Pandora Principle" after he rescued her from Hellguard; he left her in charge of a fellow Vulcan and her family on earth so she could get ready to attend Starfleet Academy. After they arrive on Vulcan, I don't recall there's anything said about her being pregnant, going into the monastery permanently, just going home with Amanda and Sarek. One book alluded that she returned to Starfleet and later became a captain herself.
Very interesting. thanks for posting.
Eh? I've got the Director's Edition DVD and I've watched all the special features on it, and these two scenes aren't in it. My first introduction to the David Marcus/Lt Saavik subplot (as well as her being half Romulan) were from Vonda Mcintyre's ST3 novelization that I read as a kid back in '85. It wasn't until I heard the Nicholas Meyer's commentary on the ST2 DVD that I knew that they'd worked those elements into Wrath of Khan.
Too bad Meyer couldn't keep this footage in the final cut.
Yes true, should have been included.
I agree. It would have made the betrayal that much harder for Spock and Kirk to accept. First Admiral Cartwright and then Saavik. It would have given an additional punch to the movies.
Not the same character in Star trek 6 . 😉
@@kevinlambert2756 I know that it was Valaris and not Saavik, but I think they had toyed around with the idea early in the script.
Based on Saavik..😉
What an odd thing to say, given the context.
- "I believe you know David Marcus."
- "Uh... yeah. We all just spent 2 hours together in the underground Genesis cave like a day ago. Then we were both on the bridge during that whole cat and mouse thing, and when the ship was about to explode. Then we were both at Spock's funeral... like half an hour ago. Yeah, we've met, actually. Several times... _very_ recently. No need to introduce me to Sulu or McCoy or anybody else either. We've all met."
I can see why it was cut. I just can't understand why it was written and/or shot in the first place. Maybe the context was different at the time. Like they were supposed to have fewer scenes together or something.
Seems you don't comprehend understatement. The context is quite clear from their expressions and Kirk's subsequent line about "learning by doing." Sounds like you don't interact with actual humans on a regular basis. Maybe get off the internet for a while and see how it works.
Im glad they deleted that scene where they built a fire under that guy hanging in marcus's lab, and then ate him. Can she cook or what!
I would have liked to have seen these restored to the director's cut. Oh well.
Reposting this from hutt359 from 2007 so others can see this more easily:
Because the material was not lost as the scene about her being Romulan was included in the first run ABC TV edit of the film back in the 80's... along with the midshipman preston left handed spanner line. The truth is that the two scenes in question were filmed, with a whole host of other ones cut/reshot from the film. These were included in a promo piece played on a late night local sci-fi/horror program on a television station in California that was also shown at a few trek conventions around the time that TWOK was getting made. The footage was taped when it first aired on the TV program, and copies have been traded amongst fans at conventions and clubs ever sense.
From what I heard, it was because Kirstie Alley wanted too much money. Roddenbery didn't have much to do with that film, he was off doing TNG.
Admiral Kirk certainly did a good job being the commandant of Starfleet Academy.
Why they didn't keep those scenes is beyond me.
Especially the first one where they established Saaviks background.
RIP Merritt Butrick and Kirstie Alley
Robin Curtis was much more realistic in her portrayal of a Vulcan/ Romulan mix. Kirstie did an OK job, but was emotionally "wishy-washy" in an almost weak way. If you read the novels & view classic Trek and Next Generation shows, Romulans are emotional, but stoic and passionate. They try to portray strength. Robin did a pretty good job of that. Her stoicism fit in with typical Romulans and Vulcans. Too many people are judging by the "cuteness factor" instead of quality. Robin's acting = an A+
thank you for posting that, i'm looking for the DVD extras from Wrath Of Khan if there are any kind of like that or interviews with Kirstie about her time with the franchise. TY
Although the actor died, still I think the Kirk son character shouldn't have been killed off.
Another actor could have played him and it might have made a very interesting series. Could have been an interesting conflict between his mother's scientif/explorer side vs the Quasi-military side of his starfleet father.
What could have been...
Spock is half human, remember?
Also, the producers were worried that since Saavik was already an established and popular characters, her fans would react with fury and boycott the movie if she turned traitor. Thats why they reinvented the character as Valeris. I think its a shame they didn't keep her as Saavik (even if still played by Kim Cattrall), it would have really been a shock revelation then.
Damn straight not! Too many fans of Saavik. I asked a kid at the movie theatre what he thought of Lt. Valeris. "Bitch"'is what's heard.
@Tarotlynx Vulcans have emotions like any other humanoid, their control and lack of expression of them is acquired through training from a very young age due to cultural norms and pressures. The amount of control would certainly vary with the individual Vulcan. When something severe happens such as the death of someone close to them, most Vulcans if not all would probably have a hard time completely containing themselves in those cases. Tears would be expected even if she were fully Vulcan.
T'Pol was crying when her mother died in "Awakening". Her mother wiped away her tear(s) before she died and T'Pol shed another before she left with Cpt. Archer. It won't be the only time she's wept, but only in the book "The Good That Men Do" do you get to find out how emotional she is-privately, at least. Listen to her voice; it breaks, even if you see no tears.
I believe Kirstie Alley went to work on Cheers after Star Trek II and was not available for Star Trek III and IV.
That's pretty neat. It may be rough, but it's good to finally see it. Thanks for posting this!
1:27 Well she should do, Kirk. First they met underground and then on the bridge throughout the whole nebula battle lol
Saavik totally wants to Pahn Far Kirk's son!
This still doesn't explain how and why saavik and David end up working on the Genesis planet when she's supposedly still at the academy?
I distinctly remember other deleted scenes as well but can't seem to find them anywhere. A scene in Engineering where Scotty's nephew made some unflattering remarks about the age of the Enterprise. On the bridge where Spock remarks to Saavik about human ego when Khan chases the Enterprise into the nebula.
they're included on the Director's Edition of TWOK. There's a little more in the sickbay scene ("I knew something about these ships...") and when Kirk and co are heading to the bridge: "That young man is my son"
Wasn't there a deleted scene (in the beg. of"ST4") where Saavik is told she's pregnant before leaving with Amanda? Was it only in the Blue-Ray version (if at all)? That's like looking for the "Endeavour" series beyond the video trailer.
@@virginiaconnor8350 they cut that plot point out of the movie. It was supposed to be saavik's reason for staying on vulcan in IV. The child was supposed to be spock's from their pon farr in III.
"Space,the Final Frontier. These are the continuing voyages of the starship Enterprise. Her ongoing mission:To explore strange new worlds,to seek out new lifeforms and new civilizations. To boldly go where no man has gone before."-Captain Spock
In Memoriam:
Gene Roddenberry (1921-1991)
Harve Bennett (1930-2015)
James Horner (1953-2015)
&
Leonard Nimoy (1931-2015).
May their legacies continue to “live long and prosper.” 🖖🏻
I kept waiting for him to talk about the Commodore 64.
That is true...AND...because of her success on Cheers, she was asking for way more money than Paramount was prepared to pay her. Star Trek 2 was her very first role...TV or film or otherwise. Robin Curtis agreed to do the part for the amount Paramount was originally going to pay Kirstie.
She said she knew they were short-handed and agreed to do It, true. Maybe Leonard wanted her to play Saavik differently than Kirstie did, but Kirstie was playing her as as the story of a 1/2 Romulan, 1/2 Vulcan girl, not like the 100% Vulcan (like It. Valeris). Kirstie (as Saavik) was capable of playing both aloof and cool and emotional.
What did Kirk say after he introduced David to Saavik?
I don't care I ship David with Savaik, Yes so there's a Kirk with Vulcan and Romulan blood running around in Fanfiction
Sulu: Oh my
No. Because the material was not lost as the scene about her being Romulan was included in the first run ABC TV edit of the film back in the 80's... along with the midshipman preston left handed spanner line.
Again, if they kept this scene, so many things would have changed. They wouldn't have changed STIII's Saavik to fully Vulcan, they wouldn't have made Simon Tarsis's career in jeopardy because of some Romulan blood, etc. A lot could be different if scenes hadn't been edited out. But they did cut it out, so Star Trek developed a completely different mythology.
Good point. The 2009 movie however successfully resurrects all the characters for a new generation...
It'll be great if they put those scene back in the movie...
I thought that died in the script writing.
Unfortunately, that is true. Same situation with Tony Hamilton, whom you might remember from the short lived Mission Impossible revival from the late 80's. He passed on due to AIDS as well in the 90's.
The Star Trek 6 novelization also revealed Saavik was half Romulan.
Am I the only one that remembers the scene with a child on Ceti Alpha 5 and then towards the end where Khan blows up the Reliant?
Child on Ceti Alpha 5?! Please elaborate. Yes Khan blows up the Reliant by detonating the Genesis device - it is in the movie.
Pretty sure you're confusing III with II. There is a child in III.
@@dernvader6876 There a couple of lost scenes that include Khan's toddler child. Chekhov was going to encounter him on the ruined ship turned shelter on Ceti Alpha 5 and then later we would see him crawling towards the Genesis devise just as its about to detonate. The scenes were removed for not adding much to the story and the only physical evidence of their existence that remains is a couple of still shots taken on set. I'm not sure how he claims to have watched the scenes but maybe there's some rare cut that was released overseas
No. Why?
In the book I seem to remember Chekhov being startled by a young face at the portal and thinking it was a child. They had been on the planet for 15 years so there should be some children, there was peace for about 6 months before Ceti Alpha 6 exploded so perhaps some of the Augmented women may have been pregnant.
@spacebumwa U may hav a better memory of the book than I. Did it explain how they came to boff given her logic? And I am wondering, did u picture the Kirstie Alley Saavik or the Robin Curtis Saavik?
Kirstie Alley. Sorry, Robin. And I don't think she was all that "bubbly" as Saavik.
I heard Leonard Nimoy talk about these scenes decades ago. It's nice to finally see them, though the editors were right to cut them out (especially the one at the end that totally ruins the dramatic flow).
Yeah, I know that. I was just wondering as to her motivation for not reprising the role.
I dunno. I think I’ve heard somewhere that they simply didn’t call her back , which seems odd. Robin Curtis who plays Savick in The Search for Spock is great but for continuity, you would at least want the original actress to reprise the role under normal circumstances?
From what I remember, it all came down to the folding stuff. They couldn't agree on a fee so Robin Curtis took over the role. What is also not known but hinted at was the fact that Saavik was pregnant with Spock's child after helping him get through his Pon Farr hence the reason why she stayed behind on Vulcan in TVH
We learn that Kirk took that test 3 times. I thought that was a reboot addition.
I have the Spock, Kirk clip but where did you get the Kirk introducing Savick to David clip?
I found the deleted scene on You Tube.
I can see why these were cut. There isn't much there, but it would have been interesting to see them in the movie and where the next movies went because of them.
You should have added the scene where Chekov woke up again after being in Sickbay and snuck out to go help on the bridge during the battle.
Did you even watch the funeral seen? It showed Saavik crying, this indicates that she is half Vulcan. Also, showing her cry indicates that her other half has emotions harder to control then human emotions. In TNG Simon chose to lie on his application that is why his career died not because he has Romulan blood. Try paying attention. He was a dumb kid who thought or was told that if people knew he was part Romulan that Star Fleet would reject him, an obvious miss conception.....
At least, T'Pol had excuses someone said. Pa'nar Syndrome and Terellium poisoning. Still, her own mother told Trip in "Home" she had trouble, even as a child, controlling her emotions so I think this cold, aloof manner was away to cover up her insecurities til she learned to trust the others when they helped her get through the other crisis. She too cried and lost her temper, breaking the captain's desk. She too could've had a Romulan father who tricked T'Les into marrying him and died before anyone found out then. T'Pol only knew about the Romulans because she served in the Vulcan High Command-where she learned to control her emotions.
He died shortly after filming the TNG episode in season 1 he was in.
Merritt Buttrick died in 1989 due to AIDS-related health problems. It’s a real shame that we lost him so soon.
originally Valeris was supposed to be Savik... I guess the actor declined, or they couldn't decide on wheather Savik was pregnant by Spock or not (there is a cut-scene from Star Trek 4 in which Savik carries Spock's child). So the reason they cut out the romance with David was cause they where aiming at romance with Spock... also that makes Savik the only caracter to have been played by 3 actors... every time you see her... it's a new actor
Actually it was written for Saavick but Nick Meyer would only agree to it if Kirstie Allie would play the role, which she did not want to do. So she became Valeris.
Good. I can't imagine Saavik acting that way. I'd rather Saavik come out as a decent person than like Valeris, regardless who played Lt. Saavik.In the stories I've written, I still describe Saavik more like Kirstie Alley's chr. because I can better visualise her acting that way than Robin Curtis (hardly her fault; she was given the role short notice) did. I had the feeling Cdr. Uhura talked that Robin's version into getting her hair permed, something Alley's version would never do. A Vulcan with curly hair?
I'm sure there were lots of ideas about the characters back stories. Saavik and David and Spock. A strange love triangle
She did get preggers though in St 3 that's why she remained on Vulcan during the Voyage Home to have Spock's child. It was deleted though. Kirk asks Saavik if shes told him yet.(Spock) she hadn't.
Would have been interesting following this up.
Merritt died of aids I heard he received a blood transfusion and the transfusion was tainted after he had an accident
Sounded like a terrible painful death
Regardless which way he got It, it was a painful death and sad too. I thought he was kinda cute. I read that he and Kirstie used to dance on the set.
This is it? I'd have thought there'd be more.
i have read the book many times, and saavik actually mets preston aboard the enterprise not in the acedemy , first off she is a lot older then presten second off remeber her first thought when preston trys to prove himselve to admiral kirk , she thinks if you laugh at him i will rip out your spleen , that was her first time she met preston
the books are often based on early scripts ,not the shooting script ,so there are many revisions
OMG
WHERE did you find this!?
It was in the "Star Trek: Wrath of Khan" novel. I only wonder if anyone discovered who did the damage in the briefing or conference room.