All these decades later and I am still learning something new about this movie. I had known there was more to the EVA sequence but I had zero idea that this much work had actually been done. Bravo on digging this up and as a Trekker who saw the original release in the theater back then, thank you for sharing it with us.
I think the Theatrical version is much better, but I appreciate the hard work to recreate this. I also have a feeling the director and/or producers changed the spacesuit design to what we see in the TC due to the original suits looking too much like *2001: A Space Odyssey.* 8:19 looking at this scene, it reminds me of David Bowman inside of the HAL brain room. Love the drawing at 11:25.
Great work putting the video together. I really like the storyboards you included along with the comics. I would like to see a video on all the storyboards for this film. The artwork was great.
If I remember right, this movie originally had a 15 million dollar budget, which ended up at 44 million by the time production ended. It was the most expensive movie of 1979. I'm guessing the memory wall sequence was cut for both time and money. It probably didn't help that director Robert Wise has a slow, ponderous direction style (Andromeda Strain, The Day the Earth Stood Still).
@indigoyarkindell968 That's the problem with Carbon Based Units...and V'ger being so impatient. Sigh....Oh wait! I'm a CBU too!...Oops! ....Seriously though, the Memory Wall sounds fascinating! What do you and others prefer? The Memory Wall or not? With Movie Effects improving? Why not have both in a release? 45th Anniversary this December!! 👌
I would show the Text Static for a few seconds then show the pic for a few seconds alone after. The upwards scrolling was very disorienting. Had to pause a fair amount. Thank you for putting it together. Very interesting stuff. :)
Spock; "Captain, you have two options. You can either read the text or look at the pictures." Kirk; "The text is moving too quickly for normal human perception, Mr Spock. I'll stick with the pictures."
This is very interesting to see here!Yeah,I believe,this would’ve been too much storyline,here?It’s probably better that they took this out of the film?It would’ve been too long in order to get;’a proper story?’But,the picture’s are worth a thousand word’s!Thank you for showing this extra 🎬 scene!😊😊😊😊Live long and prosper!
Wow!Those are nice drawing’s from the series!Thank you so much for showing them to us!I’m sorry,I meant to say;The 🍿 movie!😊Star Trek the motion picture!😮
@@jeremiah5342 nice to see that there's another person in the world "who gets it". Everything about this movie is awesome except for the story itself. Everything.
@@robertbradley1883 his score for this was amazing! However, there was more themes and feeling in James Horner's scores for the next 2 films. RIP to both Maestros.
I had no idea this scene even existed!! Thank you so much for sharing!! A piece of history saved!! It was a cool idea, but definitely slowed down the pacing and was 95% unneeded material. Spock seeing everything stored the way we saw it was good enough.
For me „Star Trek: The Movie“ was the only one of all Trek movies which represented real science fiction… It’s my favorite one of all times… especially the new 4K remastered version 🤩
I agree 100% it felt like a science-fiction movie. The later Star Trek movies relied too heavily on either action or comedy. Comedy is fine in small doses (for the occasional episode or film), and so is action. Bone the motion picture really captured that sense of mystery and the unknown, which science-fiction is really all about I think.
The first ST motion picture shows respect for SF and the cast is treated with class. While this movie isn't perfect, I don't like how Star Trek is now associated with the exaggerated campy performances, lazy sit-com humor, and the attitude that SF is supposed to be dumb that dominates the remaining original cast movies. The Abrams movies are about as much SF as Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck.
@Otis_Art Exactly what we thought! We all came out of the theatre going, “So this is what they would have done with NOMAD if they’d had the budget for it.” Yes, it was amazing, but we also felt like the reveal was a bit of a cheat. Not to mention, the V’Ger incident is never mentioned again in any future films. Apparently no knowledge or new technology was obtained, and the Federation didn’t even learn where the other parts of that massive ship came from. Seriously?
Well done! Titles are just a bit fast, but otherwise, thanks for preserving this bit. I always wondered why the scene between Spock mind-melding and Kirk retrieving him felt a bit jarring. Makes more sense now.
I loved the behind the scenes,scenes in Star Trek the motion picture!This is a “nice history” of the film,here!It’s so hard to believe,that in December of 1979,I saw this film 🎥 with my cousin!I would’ve been in my last year of High School 🏫 that year,too.I believe,as far as I can remember,we saw this at;a mall movie 🍿 theater?🎭 I have yet to read the 📕 book,and see how it will be to read?Until that day,I will keep the book close at hand.🤚 I have the original music 🎵 soundtrack,which is still in my mom’s record case.😊
It was Nomad re-hashed with a bigger budget. But the music and visuals were fantastic. The most iconic scenes from the movie were the Enterprise’s beauty shots in space dock. The acting was a bit wooden, got better in Star Trek II:The Wrath of Khan.
7 years old... and on a very big screen: this movie was my first psychedelic experience. The warp scenes, the drama... overwhelming. and here I am, writing sci-fi for all I'm worth.
I remember I had the comic book when the movie came out in 79 and they illustrated this scene and I was wondering why, because it wasn't in the movie. Now we know why.
It takes at least 3 months to produce a single issue of a comic book. They have to pencil, ink, color, and letter the artwork. It takes at least 3-4 different artists who specialize in their tasks to do this not counting the scripter! They like to plan at least a half-year, if not 8-10 months ahead of time when they do major storylines. It's VERY obvious when they rush and don't get most storylines buckled down before the comic goes into production. There was a lot of rushed art on licensed books back in the day. I usually steered clear of licensed comics back in the 1980s and most of the 1990s because they were just not done very well for the most part. Knowing that, the art team for the TMP adaptation had to have gotten a script that was at least 8 months ahead of the release date of the movie! I believe at least 4 issues were needed to cover the The Motion Picture adaptation produced by Marvel Comics. I saw a pocketbook reprint of the TMP comic mini-series and I was not impressed by it. I believe Marvel received an earlier script but obviously they didn't get revised scripts because they would have been working the poor artist to death. They were making changes to the script of the movie on-set constantly! The Marvel adaptation of Star Wars is closer to that finished film but Lucas's vision was closer to realized before Star Wars/1977 went into production. They executed a 6-issue mini-series to adapt the original Star Wars movie. The artwork on both films' adaptations would be considered sub-par today. They usually didn't assign the best let alone most experienced artists to licensed comic books back then. How to do we put this gently without being TOO blunt? A lot of artists don't do likenesses of living people all that well! That's why frankly the licensed art generally doesn't resemble the live-action characters most of the time; it's easier to work in one's style and not even worry about drawing the characters to look like the actors. One of the few comic artists who was able to do decent actor likenesses consistently of Star Trek characters was Adam Hughes. His art in the Star Trek graphic novel, Debt of Honor (1992, writer Chris Claremont), was far superior to the average DC or Marvel Star Trek comic.
It is interesting that if the scene had stayed in the movie, then that would’ve been the only time in the entire film, where a phaser was fired. As it is, the only weapon we have firing in the entire movie is when a torpedo destroys the asteroid, causing the wormhole. TMP is a cerebral movie for sure. It was released two years after Star Wars came out, and it only had one photon torpedo fired in the entire three hour movie. :)
Ah, but it had 5 photon torpedoes fired by the Klingons! 3 into the cloud, and then the 2 aft torpedoes the Amar launched in an attempt to destroy the V'ger plasma torpedo. So I guess including V'ger, that's 6 photon torpedoes and 5 blue plasma torpedoes and around 100 (?) green plasma torpedoes to destroy the Earth. But no phasers. *Star Trek II* made up for it.
@@TheRealNormanBates I believe one of the security guys shot his phaser at the intruding energy bolt before he was digitized. But, that was removed from the movie.
VGR: "At least take me out to breakfast tomorrow morning. And no, don't take me to IHOP. I got sick after eating there last week. Now you know why my 'orifice' is so...swollen..."
A lot of fans dislike Star Trek : The Motion Picture. But as an Old Time Treky. I really loved it Yes, the format was different from the show. It was lot more intellectual than action based. But it was fantastic to the Star Trek crew doing deep philosophical Science Fiction then action adventure for a change. I wish the movies that followed would have carried that theme. Although they weren't bad at all.
Ironically, that's how "The Cage" was to begin with, which is why it was axed. TMP may actually be more "pure" Star Trek, how Roddenberry originally envisioned it.
Yesssss! Star Trek - The Motion Picture is a master piece of framing and directing. STMP would one film I would recommend for J.J. Abrams and many other contemporary science filmmaker to study.
From various articles I’ve read, the Memory Wall sequence was cut for two reasons: time and money. All principal photography had been shot for the sequence. But the effects shots needed to make it look convincing would have been time consuming and using unproven techniques. With a premiere date barreling toward them there just wasn’t time to spend time on a sequence that experimental (rumor had it that the film canisters for the premiere were sent from the processing lab directly to the theater arriving the day of…that’s how close they cut it). Douglas Trumbull suggested streamlining the sequence and just using Spock’s POV and his reactions to cut down on compositing characters into the scene. It was the safe choice.
I believe they worked on filming the sequence for more than a week and director Robert Wise was unhappy with the results. The sequence was abandoned at considerable expense, and the production moved on to shooting other material while rewrites were done. The sequence was simplified and some new material filmed (Spock traveling alone through V’ger, Kirk emerging from Enterprise in a different space suit, Spock ejected from V’ger back to a waiting Kirk). Doug Trumbull’s team then completed the rest of the sequence months later.
I want to say in the comic book adaption of this movie, and in the trading cards, this scene was included. Because it was deleted late in the production, thats how the scene survived in those items!
Growing up, I always had this memory running around in my head that I had actually seen the version of the Memory Wall sequence when I saw TMP in 1979. Specifically the triangular crystals that attached themselves to Kirk, and I recall they moved through the air via stop motion animation. I don’t know how I came up with that, but I find it interesting that I still remember it.
Obviously the "Spock Walk" sequence in the finished film is superior to this. It just shows how dysfunctional the production was that the Memory Wall sequence was scripted, storyboarded, and partially filmed before they dropped it.
Another thing about TMP is that for some reason they filmed a crap ton of unnecessary padding scenes, which ended up being cut from the theatrical release anyway but can be found in the "Special Longer Version". Most of which are Kirk ordering one of the characters to leave/report to the bridge, and we have to see them get up and enter the turbolift, or exit the turbolift and sit down. It gets very repetitive.
Honestly, most movies do this. Sometimes you need the padding here or there to adjust pacing between certain moments. Do you film it all and determine which bits are useful in the edit. A two hour movie’s first compilation may be three or four hours long, and then you hack away at it to find what works best. Always better to film it just in case because if you don’t have it but need it later you’re screwed.
@@mitchgross592 Re-Shoots and Pick-up during post-production are extremely expensive and time consuming. Better to have extra footage to work with than no footage and no budget left.
@@mitchgross592 Very true. It's been said that there are three versions made of every movie: the movie that is scripted, the movie that is shot and the movie that comes out of the editing process.
I agree with the person who said that this movie was under rated. The more I watched this movie, the more I enjoy it. Definitely not the best one in the series, but pretty good none the less.😊
Very interesting, but having Kirk go through the whole "discover Vger" sequence seems rather "hey, by god I'm going out there too". Glad this footage was excised to make the sequence go by more quickly.
I have to agree. Spock has a telepathic connection to Vger, so only makes sense that his single point of view would reveal more of Vger's true intentions. If Kirk was with him the whole time, I don't think the captain would even see anything.
“It is a Massively-Complex Quantum Simulation.” “……it’s Giant Television, Spock - wasn’t I just attacked by Intelligent Pixels…? Didn’t you say something about the next chamber being ‘possibly a *field coil* for a *gigantic* imaging system’ ….? It’s a Giant Television, Spock - You and I and McCoy, The Enterprise and her whole crew, we’re now, all of us, imprisoned within Television, for all eternity - in Syndication.”
The memory wall concept is not unlike what we saw in the last act of Interstellar. Also, Doug Trumbull really stepped up and saved the day on this one!
If the text crawl reflected the pacing of the movie in general it would have been perfect. Even if I were a speed reader the flicker effect would make it hard to read without pauses. That said, it's cool to see this. I knew the sequence and the read along story book actually had these scenes rather than the solo Spock flight. Seeing it pieced together was fun.
From the bottom of my heart I say: "Thank You". Am immersion experience in a franchise you love can almost never go on to long. Examples are Way of Water and the extended's of LOTR. And lest we forget the Pink Floyd Immersion box sets!
Indeed I think it was in the marvel supersize edition , I do remember this was in the comic, also the digital information of the Klingon ships and epsilon 9 station. Spock mentions it in the film but it goes by too quickly to notice it the first time.
@@miguelbotelho2613 I wonder if I had a different version comic book because I remember it looking different to the one in the video... a more 'jagged' style (which I liked).
Thanks for breaking down that scene for us. I feel like that would have been another plodding section of the film, and the way they edited it made more sense.
Naturally the used it. It’s like THE Star Trek theme. (Original series theme aside that is) Little known fact is that the song has lyrics written by Gene Roddenberry but it wasn’t used. He did get royalties for the song (which was composed by Jerry Goldsmith)
Kirk being enveloped by the crystals feels very much like the antibody scene from Fantastic Voyage. But Shatner's no Raquel Welch. Still, savvy SF Movie fans would have noted the similarity of the scene and clued in to the implications, that the crew were minuscule specks in a much larger living body.
I find it funny that when we first saw Kirk leave the ship he was wearing a helmet that looked like it was almost square shaped and then after Spock did his mind meld and was thrown back out the way he came they show Kirk now wearing a different suit that looked just like the one Chekov was wearing in The Wrath of Khan.
Whole sequence was their riff on 2001. They were going into Massive HAL with Dave Bowman's space suit. By Wrath (and late in this movie filming, the 2001 suit copies were altered to not look like plagiarism)
@@nicholasmorsovillo2752 he not speaking of the color. There are two pairs of costumes in these clips and stills...and drawings. The round helmet suit (with handle on chest) is Spock's suit in the final movie edit. Kirk steps out of the airlock in a slimmer suit that looks very much like the 2001 EV suits. In some of the stills you see Nimoy in that suit also (orange but the same slim shape with squareish faceplate) There were two sets of costumes as the movie was messy. Some of the edit is to try and get consistency without reshoots
It's interesting that Kirk, in a white space suit, gets swarmed with crystals and Spock has to save him. Very reminiscent of the scene in "Fantastic Voyage" where Raquel Welsh gets covered in antibodies. Don't know whether this was an intentional homage, given they were inside the "body" of V'Ger. Or just a coincidence.
Robert Abel and Associates really bit off more than they could chew. Its amazing that Robert Wise and the rest of the production crew was actually able to complete the film in time for the premiere date committed to by Paramount. Definitely a flawed gem, with so many challenges right from the beginning. To think what might have been if given more time instead of a swift transition from the Phase II series planned to the hastily put together film to capitalize on the Star Wars craze.
Incredible. This must have been the plan for phase 2 episode 1 and they decided to make it a feature. That set was awful would never have worked. But the original plans, with the story board and comic - that looked amazing. A totally different bulk of the film. An incredibly difficult film to pull off. The editing of the first 4 minutes shows the movie could have been a lot quicker with the scenes of decker and ilia intercutting with Kirk and Spock.
13:13 Wow. They used Micronauts for pre-viz. I agree with their decision to go with the final sequence that they used. It really is more dynamic than the memory wall. Interesting to see this though.
If only Paramount would release all the actual Memory Wall footage so it could be officially re-edited and completed with CGI. But thanks anyway for the great effort.
I didn't know any of this existed. I was just going into high school when it came out. I remember enjoying seeing the whole crew back. I also remember the reviews were harsh.
Lots of comments that the final version is better, but I like the character interaction moments of this. It feels more TOS. Maybe removing it continues the suspense and mystery of how Spock is behaving, but I like the journey he goes on with his inner conflict of motivations and his decision to prioritise his relationship with Kirk.
This was a thrill to see. Really appreciate the time and effort in constructing the material for the fans to see and enjoy. This film is one of my absolute favourites and as we approach the Autumn season, the film really reminds me of that time of year when the temperatures drop and the darker mornings/evenings starts to draw in. The atmosphere of the film is brilliant and this sequence was great to see after reading the Marvel adaptation on many occasions. Thank you so much! Lovely choices of Goldsmith music from the film too. LLAP! 🖖
I have to agree with some of the other comments. The Memory Wall sequence, if it had been completed properly, might have been interesting, but the movie version keeps things moving in what was already too long a film. The movie version also keeps some aspects of V'Ger a mystery.
One big troubling question is: why did those two crewmen, not in space suits, accompany Kirk into the airlock? The door closed with them inside, and the clear meaning was that it was the airlock door and was about to depressurize.
6:34 Okay, but as these captions start to whip by faster and faster, I begin to feel like the editor is messing with me. Pause is easy enough, but I begin to feel like it’s whack-a-mole 😅💙
I mean, it seems like the captions rush by to preserve pacing, but the pacing of the scene is ruined by the fact that I have to keep pausing the video just to read what’s happening, because they go by so quickly. Flash of text, no text, flash of text, no text - those moments of no text seem like a just the amount of time needed to let the text crawl by slowly enough to be legible. I can’t help but think there was a better way to produce this, I’m sorry to be so critical 💙
While I’m at it, though, I will bring to you some terminology from Doctor Who: This is not a restoration of the scene. This is a reconstruction of the scene. If, indeed, either word can be used, since it was never properly in place to be restored or reconstructed. This video, itself, is still just editing storyboards together to make a thumbnail of the scene Which is to say: I have some disagreements regarding this presentation. Hopefully these words are received in the spirit of the show that inspires us 💙
They should have had that end sequence on the hexagons take place within a surrounding Wall of Memories. The concept of V'gers accumulated data and all the images of its travels is GREAT. It belongs in the story by separating it out impedes efficient storytelling. Having Kirk, Spock, Bones, Ilia, and whatisname bear witness to V'gers story would be mind-blowing...
I love this new set. Too bad we couldn't have seen a bit of it in the final edit. The concept of how V-GER would use small robots to defend itself is excellent, as well as the decision to make them simple pyramids with an unknown "magnetic" power. This sequence suggests that Kirk is a virus and the small robots are V-GER's white blood cells. Very good! But the movie, though one of my favorite science fiction movies, is already a bit long, and I understand the need to cut this sequence for time.
I noticed continuity fail the second viewing of this film ( space suits ) . This was a big budget film but too much emphasis on special fx & storyline was " The challenging" on steroids ! They did at least have some of the character interactions of the series ! I remember they said never another Star Trek film ! Then came TWOK ! WOW! They had a short budget / good high paced story . ST seems to do best with lower budget & great writing !
love this film and watch it at least once a year. was really glad when the director's cut became available on Blu-ray! be great to see all this extra stuff be re-mastered and integrated but if it changes the pre-existing chronology, it would be better just as an added extra feature. the film is just so languorous already but I love that it's a whole lot of eye-candy and often the cast are reduced to just gawping at something off screen! their expressions mirror a lot of the audience who are just looking on in wonderment. I can see why it wasn't as critical a success as they'd hoped for and is indeed thinner in plot (given its run time) than an episode of the original series. But seeing this additional material, wonderfully reconstructed, is a treat!
WOW! I'm not one for making substantial changes to theatrical releases, but i honestly think they should have left this as was intended. What we got to see of Spock entering V'Ger, theatrically, was incredible in its own right, but this scene would have added even more to the mystique that is V'Ger.
It's my guess that this deleted scene is Roddenbery with Shatner's approval, and what we got was the "not authorized version". ;) Remember this movie went through rewrite after rewrite. Gene hijacked a lot of the script. Gene is an idea man, but not a story guy. Spock by himself in the craft, makes more sense. The scene is about him, not Kirk and Spock. What we got is way better despite the fact it leave Kirk outside with egg on his face.
Interesting concept, but glad it was deleted. Apart from adding more run time to an already slow moving movie, one thing that would've made it difficult to pull off was Spock floated out in space for a few minutes as he mentally calculated when to start up the suit's engine by observing the rate at which the aperture opened & closed. Mind you this is a guy who, for the ep. "Tomorrow is Yesterday", was able to crunch the numbers in his head to calculate the spin around the sun to jump forward into time. And here he is crunching figures in his head to avoid slamming into the aperture when it closes. And Kirk is supposed to pull off the same number crunching to join him...how? Anyway, the whole sequence wouldn't have added anything, IMHO. Spock undertaking this as a solo adventure was enough to see his character arc through, and bring him back from K'holinar robotic Spock to the more half-human Spock of TOS. I do like that the film has since been revisited and recut, and that version has been airing on the Pluto Star Trek On Demand movie channel. The FX has been updated, and the damn thing even has an overture now that plays for 2-3 minutes before the fanfare we now associate with NextGen starts the movie. There've been a few seconds & scenes trimmed here & there, but it's a better movie than what this then-8 year old saw in 1979.
This poor film was just... way too convoluted for a single film. 😕 It's unfortunate, but ST1 almost wrecked the idea of there even being a ST2, etc. Thank heavens 2-5 were pretty awesome. IV and "Undiscovered Country" were basically my favorites until the crossover one with the TNG cast. And yes, it was *great* to see Michael Dorn as Kirk and McCoy's lawyer in U.C.! 💪😎✌️
Y'know what the weird thing is? You can consider this as a separate short film that takes place between 2 in/out points in the finished film. So say you have this great scene...but it's too long, it slows down the film...but the exposition can be important in the overall. So what you do is clip the sequence and then edit it into a stand-alone section that can be watched independently. If Tolkien can write all kinds of backstory as appendices in LOTR...and it works as a book...why can't it also happen and work with film? Especially since nowadays, we're used to the idea of franchises having lots of supplementary material meant to be composited after the fact?
It's a shame this sequence was so screwed up by the Abel effects house. This kind of Kirk-Spock interaction would have been interesting showing Spock returning to his more recognizable personality rather than the self-centered Spock early in the film. On the downside, this sequence is another derivative--similar to the antibodies attacking Rachel Welch in the film Fantastic Voyage.
Obviously in the minority in preferring this scene over the movie cut. I feel like it explains a lot more, adds some action and fleshes out the vessel.
There were a few major logical flaws to "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" - As seen in this deleted scene, we see Kirk follow Spock through the opening and closing oriface to the memory chamber, but Spock (with his Vulcan brain) had to carefully time his suit's countdown, thrust, the time to reach the oriface along with the timing of the oriface. He did this without anyone else's knowledge. Kirk did this without any help and even caught up with Spock. It was wise to get rid of this scene. - The Federation and the Enterprise witness the destruction of a Federation space station and a few Klingon battlecruisers by watching transmissions from them. The issue is that V'Ger literally atomized that station and those ships. Even after those machines had been reduced to nothing, the transmissions continued but only showed empty space. How in the world could the transmissions continue without the cameras or the ships/station to transmit them?
They shouldn't have cut this part out, it would have made the movie better by giving us a better understanding of V'ger. Instead, they should have done a mixture of the two versions of this part, showing the representations of absorbed objects and people and then having Spock and later Kirk reaching the memory banks.
In my 46 years of life I've never known this footage existed and quite frankly the way you presented it made the story seem more intense and creepy but in a good way ! They should have got a better director than the guy who directed West side story to do this movie and there should have been 2 battle scenes , and I don't mean the initial one with the Klingons fighting v' ger . We have to remember this movie was birth out of Paramount's want to compete with 20th century Fox and its smash Hit with Star wars ! Could it be done , absolutely ! Was it done correctly , absolutely not ! It's too slow , to poignant in compare and comparison to World War II in space that was Star wars !
Thank you so much for uploading this, I have the directors edition on dvd and watched it again, wonderful film. I farted most harshly whilst watching this film again, but it gave me…hope….
Thoughts?
All these decades later and I am still learning something new about this movie.
I had known there was more to the EVA sequence but I had zero idea that this much work had actually been done.
Bravo on digging this up and as a Trekker who saw the original release in the theater back then, thank you for sharing it with us.
I think the Theatrical version is much better, but I appreciate the hard work to recreate this. I also have a feeling the director and/or producers changed the spacesuit design to what we see in the TC due to the original suits looking too much like *2001: A Space Odyssey.* 8:19 looking at this scene, it reminds me of David Bowman inside of the HAL brain room. Love the drawing at 11:25.
Great work putting the video together. I really like the storyboards you included along with the comics. I would like to see a video on all the storyboards for this film. The artwork was great.
Fascinating. I didn’t think that this much existed.
If I remember right, this movie originally had a 15 million dollar budget, which ended up at 44 million by the time production ended. It was the most expensive movie of 1979. I'm guessing the memory wall sequence was cut for both time and money.
It probably didn't help that director Robert Wise has a slow, ponderous direction style (Andromeda Strain, The Day the Earth Stood Still).
I had to download the V'Ger app so that I could cycle down the text rate allowing my simple carbon based sensors could interpret the data.
Just don’t scan it. This could be mistaken as hostile.
I had no problems using my neck sensor crystal to follow everything.
I always watch everything at 1.5 so yeah 😂
@indigoyarkindell968 That's the problem with Carbon Based Units...and V'ger being so impatient. Sigh....Oh wait! I'm a CBU too!...Oops! ....Seriously though, the Memory Wall sounds fascinating! What do you and others prefer? The Memory Wall or not? With Movie Effects improving? Why not have both in a release? 45th Anniversary this December!! 👌
@@JD-rt8ym I'd love it extended and combined in with the final footage.
I would show the Text Static for a few seconds then show the pic for a few seconds alone after. The upwards scrolling was very disorienting. Had to pause a fair amount. Thank you for putting it together. Very interesting stuff. :)
Spock; "Captain, you have two options.
You can either read the text
or look at the pictures."
Kirk; "The text is moving too quickly
for normal human perception, Mr Spock.
I'll stick with the pictures."
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This is very interesting to see here!Yeah,I believe,this would’ve been too much storyline,here?It’s probably better that they took this out of the film?It would’ve been too long in order to get;’a proper story?’But,the picture’s are worth a thousand word’s!Thank you for showing this extra 🎬 scene!😊😊😊😊Live long and prosper!
Wow!Those are nice drawing’s from the series!Thank you so much for showing them to us!I’m sorry,I meant to say;The 🍿 movie!😊Star Trek the motion picture!😮
@@SonicStar Yeah - great job, but the text scrolls by WAY too fast!
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The music is the heart and soul of this film.
@@jeremiah5342 nice to see that there's another person in the world "who gets it". Everything about this movie is awesome except for the story itself. Everything.
@@burr1aj Thanks!
That Jerry Goldsmith fella is pretty good I reckon
@@robertbradley1883 his score for this was amazing! However, there was more themes and feeling in James Horner's scores for the next 2 films. RIP to both Maestros.
Excellent score.
I had no idea this scene even existed!! Thank you so much for sharing!! A piece of history saved!!
It was a cool idea, but definitely slowed down the pacing and was 95% unneeded material. Spock seeing everything stored the way we saw it was good enough.
For me „Star Trek: The Movie“ was the only one of all Trek movies which represented real science fiction… It’s my favorite one of all times… especially the new 4K remastered version 🤩
I agree 100% it felt like a science-fiction movie. The later Star Trek movies relied too heavily on either action or comedy. Comedy is fine in small doses (for the occasional episode or film), and so is action. Bone the motion picture really captured that sense of mystery and the unknown, which science-fiction is really all about I think.
My favorite ST movie, such a good, solid script and great acting.
The first ST motion picture shows respect for SF and the cast is treated with class. While this movie isn't perfect, I don't like how Star Trek is now associated with the exaggerated campy performances, lazy sit-com humor, and the attitude that SF is supposed to be dumb that dominates the remaining original cast movies. The Abrams movies are about as much SF as Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck.
@Otis_Art Exactly what we thought! We all came out of the theatre going, “So this is what they would have done with NOMAD if they’d had the budget for it.” Yes, it was amazing, but we also felt like the reveal was a bit of a cheat.
Not to mention, the V’Ger incident is never mentioned again in any future films. Apparently no knowledge or new technology was obtained, and the Federation didn’t even learn where the other parts of that massive ship came from. Seriously?
It’s true, but true Trek doesn’t sell a lot of movie tickets.
I was fighting to read the rapid scrolling text. Great to see this! But glad its left out of the film.
Well done! Titles are just a bit fast, but otherwise, thanks for preserving this bit. I always wondered why the scene between Spock mind-melding and Kirk retrieving him felt a bit jarring. Makes more sense now.
A deeply under rated film. Yes it was slow in some parts but it was the closest representation to the original series.
Yes. I agree 100% It was a science fiction movie-not just an action movie!
I loved the behind the scenes,scenes in Star Trek the motion picture!This is a “nice history” of the film,here!It’s so hard to believe,that in December of 1979,I saw this film 🎥 with my cousin!I would’ve been in my last year of High School 🏫 that year,too.I believe,as far as I can remember,we saw this at;a mall movie 🍿 theater?🎭 I have yet to read the 📕 book,and see how it will be to read?Until that day,I will keep the book close at hand.🤚 I have the original music 🎵 soundtrack,which is still in my mom’s record case.😊
I do like this movie, mainly because of the soundtrack. I always thought this was a good sci-fi movie but not a very good Star Trek movie.
It was Nomad re-hashed with a bigger budget. But the music and visuals were fantastic. The most iconic scenes from the movie were the Enterprise’s beauty shots in space dock. The acting was a bit wooden, got better in Star Trek II:The Wrath of Khan.
Alien, Black Hole, and Star Trek TMP were all 1979 releases. Alien stands head and shoulders above the other two.
7 years old... and on a very big screen: this movie was my first psychedelic experience. The warp scenes, the drama... overwhelming. and here I am, writing sci-fi for all I'm worth.
I remember I had the comic book when the movie came out in 79 and they illustrated this scene and I was wondering why, because it wasn't in the movie. Now we know why.
It takes at least 3 months to produce a single issue of a comic book. They have to pencil, ink, color, and letter the artwork. It takes at least 3-4 different artists who specialize in their tasks to do this not counting the scripter! They like to plan at least a half-year, if not 8-10 months ahead of time when they do major storylines. It's VERY obvious when they rush and don't get most storylines buckled down before the comic goes into production. There was a lot of rushed art on licensed books back in the day. I usually steered clear of licensed comics back in the 1980s and most of the 1990s because they were just not done very well for the most part.
Knowing that, the art team for the TMP adaptation had to have gotten a script that was at least 8 months ahead of the release date of the movie!
I believe at least 4 issues were needed to cover the The Motion Picture adaptation produced by Marvel Comics. I saw a pocketbook reprint of the TMP comic mini-series and I was not impressed by it.
I believe Marvel received an earlier script but obviously they didn't get revised scripts because they would have been working the poor artist to death. They were making changes to the script of the movie on-set constantly!
The Marvel adaptation of Star Wars is closer to that finished film but Lucas's vision was closer to realized before Star Wars/1977 went into production. They executed a 6-issue mini-series to adapt the original Star Wars movie.
The artwork on both films' adaptations would be considered sub-par today. They usually didn't assign the best let alone most experienced artists to licensed comic books back then. How to do we put this gently without being TOO blunt? A lot of artists don't do likenesses of living people all that well! That's why frankly the licensed art generally doesn't resemble the live-action characters most of the time; it's easier to work in one's style and not even worry about drawing the characters to look like the actors. One of the few comic artists who was able to do decent actor likenesses consistently of Star Trek characters was Adam Hughes. His art in the Star Trek graphic novel, Debt of Honor (1992, writer Chris Claremont), was far superior to the average DC or Marvel Star Trek comic.
Interesting footage, but I couldn't read the text as it kept flying up the screen. I had to pause play to read anything.
It is interesting that if the scene had stayed in the movie, then that would’ve been the only time in the entire film, where a phaser was fired. As it is, the only weapon we have firing in the entire movie is when a torpedo destroys the asteroid, causing the wormhole. TMP is a cerebral movie for sure. It was released two years after Star Wars came out, and it only had one photon torpedo fired in the entire three hour movie. :)
Ah, but it had 5 photon torpedoes fired by the Klingons! 3 into the cloud, and then the 2 aft torpedoes the Amar launched in an attempt to destroy the V'ger plasma torpedo. So I guess including V'ger, that's 6 photon torpedoes and 5 blue plasma torpedoes and around 100 (?) green plasma torpedoes to destroy the Earth.
But no phasers. *Star Trek II* made up for it.
@@TheRealNormanBates I believe one of the security guys shot his phaser at the intruding energy bolt before he was digitized. But, that was removed from the movie.
Great catch on the Klingon torpedos! I was just thinking of the Enterprise use of weapons, but you are right. :)
@@thecaptain6730 Nearly 3 hours of slow moving pictures :D
Spock is going to coordinate his “thruster” to coincide with the opening of VGER’s “orifice”…
It better be consensual.
Spock: "I am now activating the thruster to enter into V'ger."
V'ger: _"Moon RIVER! So Doc.. using the whole hand?"
VGR: "At least take me out to breakfast tomorrow morning. And no, don't take me to IHOP. I got sick after eating there last week. Now you know why my 'orifice' is so...swollen..."
right in the V'gussy
_cut to waves crashing against rocks_
@@TheRealNormanBates Fletch ..... I'm going to need some 30 weight ball bearings.
Thank you, that was just amazing footage. I never thought in my lifetime that I would see more footage of the first movie.
Glad you enjoyed it 😊
@SonicStar as a huge Star Trek fan, you have no idea how happy I was to see that. May your Channel continue to grow.
@@franzhaas5597 Thanks, really appreciate it 😊
A lot of fans dislike Star Trek : The Motion Picture. But as an Old Time Treky. I really loved it Yes, the format was different from the show. It was lot more intellectual than action based. But it was fantastic to the Star Trek crew doing deep philosophical Science Fiction then action adventure for a change. I wish the movies that followed would have carried that theme. Although they weren't bad at all.
Ironically, that's how "The Cage" was to begin with, which is why it was axed. TMP may actually be more "pure" Star Trek, how Roddenberry originally envisioned it.
Yesssss! Star Trek - The Motion Picture is a master piece of framing and directing. STMP would one film I would recommend for J.J. Abrams and many other contemporary science filmmaker to study.
Well there's that movie with the alien probe and whales.
From various articles I’ve read, the Memory Wall sequence was cut for two reasons: time and money. All principal photography had been shot for the sequence. But the effects shots needed to make it look convincing would have been time consuming and using unproven techniques. With a premiere date barreling toward them there just wasn’t time to spend time on a sequence that experimental (rumor had it that the film canisters for the premiere were sent from the processing lab directly to the theater arriving the day of…that’s how close they cut it). Douglas Trumbull suggested streamlining the sequence and just using Spock’s POV and his reactions to cut down on compositing characters into the scene. It was the safe choice.
I believe they worked on filming the sequence for more than a week and director Robert Wise was unhappy with the results. The sequence was abandoned at considerable expense, and the production moved on to shooting other material while rewrites were done. The sequence was simplified and some new material filmed (Spock traveling alone through V’ger, Kirk emerging from Enterprise in a different space suit, Spock ejected from V’ger back to a waiting Kirk). Doug Trumbull’s team then completed the rest of the sequence months later.
Thanks for the input. I was wondering why such a cool segment was not included.
I want to say in the comic book adaption of this movie, and in the trading cards, this scene was included. Because it was deleted late in the production, thats how the scene survived in those items!
A still shot of it was also included in the Read Along Book and Record version too.
Growing up, I always had this memory running around in my head that I had actually seen the version of the Memory Wall sequence when I saw TMP in 1979. Specifically the triangular crystals that attached themselves to Kirk, and I recall they moved through the air via stop motion animation. I don’t know how I came up with that, but I find it interesting that I still remember it.
James Kirk can also change space suits between cuts. Nice!
Obviously the "Spock Walk" sequence in the finished film is superior to this. It just shows how dysfunctional the production was that the Memory Wall sequence was scripted, storyboarded, and partially filmed before they dropped it.
Agreed
Another thing about TMP is that for some reason they filmed a crap ton of unnecessary padding scenes, which ended up being cut from the theatrical release anyway but can be found in the "Special Longer Version". Most of which are Kirk ordering one of the characters to leave/report to the bridge, and we have to see them get up and enter the turbolift, or exit the turbolift and sit down. It gets very repetitive.
Honestly, most movies do this. Sometimes you need the padding here or there to adjust pacing between certain moments. Do you film it all and determine which bits are useful in the edit. A two hour movie’s first compilation may be three or four hours long, and then you hack away at it to find what works best. Always better to film it just in case because if you don’t have it but need it later you’re screwed.
@@mitchgross592 Re-Shoots and Pick-up during post-production are extremely expensive and time consuming. Better to have extra footage to work with than no footage and no budget left.
@@mitchgross592 Very true. It's been said that there are three versions made of every movie: the movie that is scripted, the movie that is shot and the movie that comes out of the editing process.
I agree with the person who said that this movie was under rated. The more I watched this movie, the more I enjoy it. Definitely not the best one in the series, but pretty good none the less.😊
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Alien child returning home.
Very interesting, but having Kirk go through the whole "discover Vger" sequence seems rather "hey, by god I'm going out there too". Glad this footage was excised to make the sequence go by more quickly.
I have to agree. Spock has a telepathic connection to Vger, so only makes sense that his single point of view would reveal more of Vger's true intentions. If Kirk was with him the whole time, I don't think the captain would even see anything.
Very cool. Thank you.
I never thought I would read the phrase “go buy more quickly” used in conjunction with ‘The Slow Motion Picture…’
@@alphawoolf5981 this movie sure could have used more unnecessary scenes deleted.
@@Simon-oq6ds like what?
“It is a Massively-Complex Quantum Simulation.”
“……it’s Giant Television, Spock - wasn’t I just attacked by Intelligent Pixels…? Didn’t you say something about the next chamber being ‘possibly a *field coil* for a *gigantic* imaging system’ ….?
It’s a Giant Television, Spock - You and I and McCoy, The Enterprise and her whole crew, we’re now, all of us, imprisoned within Television, for all eternity - in Syndication.”
The words are scrolling by so fast I can barely pause to read them. Why was this done?
The memory wall concept is not unlike what we saw in the last act of Interstellar.
Also, Doug Trumbull really stepped up and saved the day on this one!
If the text crawl reflected the pacing of the movie in general it would have been perfect. Even if I were a speed reader the flicker effect would make it hard to read without pauses. That said, it's cool to see this. I knew the sequence and the read along story book actually had these scenes rather than the solo Spock flight. Seeing it pieced together was fun.
You could slow down the subtitles a bit 😂
The starfleet uniforms are so cool...the special effects make me feel nostalgic. I was nine years old when my dad took me to see it.
From the bottom of my heart I say: "Thank You". Am immersion experience in a franchise you love can almost never go on to long. Examples are Way of Water and the extended's of LOTR. And lest we forget the Pink Floyd Immersion box sets!
This deleted scene was actually illustrated in the marvel comics version of the film.
@@miguelbotelho2613I had that xomic but can't remember this part. Fantastic film.
Indeed I think it was in the marvel supersize edition , I do remember this was in the comic, also the digital information of the Klingon ships and epsilon 9 station. Spock mentions it in the film but it goes by too quickly to notice it the first time.
@@miguelbotelho2613 I wonder if I had a different version comic book because I remember it looking different to the one in the video... a more 'jagged' style (which I liked).
You’re correct, it looks more like crystals or glass like, and it’s wrapping itself around Kirk. In the comic version.
Thanks for breaking down that scene for us. I feel like that would have been another plodding section of the film, and the way they edited it made more sense.
10:57 what a musical masterpiece, I'm glad they adopted it for the TNG credits, so it was not left forgotten.
Naturally the used it. It’s like THE Star Trek theme. (Original series theme aside that is)
Little known fact is that the song has lyrics written by Gene Roddenberry but it wasn’t used.
He did get royalties for the song (which was composed by Jerry Goldsmith)
@@Armc31416 Some of the most fantastic, beautiful movie music ever written.
@@henkman00 I'm curious to see those lyrics...
Kirk being enveloped by the crystals feels very much like the antibody scene from Fantastic Voyage. But Shatner's no Raquel Welch. Still, savvy SF Movie fans would have noted the similarity of the scene and clued in to the implications, that the crew were minuscule specks in a much larger living body.
I find it funny that when we first saw Kirk leave the ship he was wearing a helmet that looked like it was almost square shaped and then after Spock did his mind meld and was thrown back out the way he came they show Kirk now wearing a different suit that looked just like the one Chekov was wearing in The Wrath of Khan.
Whole sequence was their riff on 2001. They were going into Massive HAL with Dave Bowman's space suit.
By Wrath (and late in this movie filming, the 2001 suit copies were altered to not look like plagiarism)
Kirk is dressed in the white suit all through it. Spock wears the orange one which was later reused in TWOK.
@@nicholasmorsovillo2752 he not speaking of the color. There are two pairs of costumes in these clips and stills...and drawings.
The round helmet suit (with handle on chest) is Spock's suit in the final movie edit. Kirk steps out of the airlock in a slimmer suit that looks very much like the 2001 EV suits.
In some of the stills you see Nimoy in that suit also (orange but the same slim shape with squareish faceplate)
There were two sets of costumes as the movie was messy. Some of the edit is to try and get consistency without reshoots
@@ameliashephard2876Kirk is in a different suit at 3:26.
It's interesting that Kirk, in a white space suit, gets swarmed with crystals and Spock has to save him.
Very reminiscent of the scene in "Fantastic Voyage" where Raquel Welsh gets covered in antibodies.
Don't know whether this was an intentional homage, given they were inside the "body" of V'Ger.
Or just a coincidence.
Really loved the space (thrust?) suits in the motion picture. The score really is great too. Neat reconstruction! Thanks for posting it!
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Robert Abel and Associates really bit off more than they could chew. Its amazing that Robert Wise and the rest of the production crew was actually able to complete the film in time for the premiere date committed to by Paramount. Definitely a flawed gem, with so many challenges right from the beginning. To think what might have been if given more time instead of a swift transition from the Phase II series planned to the hastily put together film to capitalize on the Star Wars craze.
Interesting. But I think what we got was more cinematic. [As well as advance the story and plot]
I've always liked this movie.
Incredible. This must have been the plan for phase 2 episode 1 and they decided to make it a feature. That set was awful would never have worked. But the original plans, with the story board and comic - that looked amazing. A totally different bulk of the film. An incredibly difficult film to pull off. The editing of the first 4 minutes shows the movie could have been a lot quicker with the scenes of decker and ilia intercutting with Kirk and Spock.
The visual of the scene feels a lot like the alien spaceship segment of the later film Lifeforce.
Thanks for this. I'd vaguely heard of the Memory Wall sequence, but didn't know what it was until now.
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13:13 Wow. They used Micronauts for pre-viz. I agree with their decision to go with the final sequence that they used. It really is more dynamic than the memory wall. Interesting to see this though.
My thinking is that this revealed too much of what V'ger was before the big reveal.
Very true. The mystery would have been solved too soon.
If only Paramount would release all the actual Memory Wall footage so it could be officially re-edited and completed with CGI. But thanks anyway for the great effort.
No problem.
Thank you. This was legitimately fascinating.
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I didn't know any of this existed. I was just going into high school when it came out. I remember enjoying seeing the whole crew back. I also remember the reviews were harsh.
Lots of comments that the final version is better, but I like the character interaction moments of this. It feels more TOS. Maybe removing it continues the suspense and mystery of how Spock is behaving, but I like the journey he goes on with his inner conflict of motivations and his decision to prioritise his relationship with Kirk.
“Fascinating” is what I believe Spock would say and I agree…a really interesting look down memory lane for ST:TMP…Live long and prosper 🖖
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Like the sequence in Fantastic Voyage where the antibodies encrust peoples bodies.
This was a thrill to see. Really appreciate the time and effort in constructing the material for the fans to see and enjoy. This film is one of my absolute favourites and as we approach the Autumn season, the film really reminds me of that time of year when the temperatures drop and the darker mornings/evenings starts to draw in. The atmosphere of the film is brilliant and this sequence was great to see after reading the Marvel adaptation on many occasions. Thank you so much! Lovely choices of Goldsmith music from the film too. LLAP! 🖖
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outstanding string of scenes that I like a bit better than what they had to settle for.
Those two guys helping Kirk on with his helmet get closed in the airlock, then VANISH
Blown out into space!
I have to agree with some of the other comments. The Memory Wall sequence, if it had been completed properly, might have been interesting, but the movie version keeps things moving in what was already too long a film. The movie version also keeps some aspects of V'Ger a mystery.
I don't think I've ever had my trigger finger on a pause and release button so much!
Thank goodness for the 0.5 playback speed option....
It is crazy how much time effort and money goes into shooting scenes that are ultimately not used.
Thanks for sharing, I never heard about about this "lost" scene before today.
And I consider myself a Trekkie since the 1980s (my childhood).
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The text was far too fast for me. I had to constantly pause in order to read it.
I prefer the suits in these scenes vs. the final versions. These seem more practical and very sleek - what one would expect in the 23rd century.
One big troubling question is: why did those two crewmen, not in space suits, accompany Kirk into the airlock? The door closed with them inside, and the clear meaning was that it was the airlock door and was about to depressurize.
The still shots are intense!
This film has a lovely soundtrack.
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6:34 Okay, but as these captions start to whip by faster and faster, I begin to feel like the editor is messing with me. Pause is easy enough, but I begin to feel like it’s whack-a-mole 😅💙
I mean, it seems like the captions rush by to preserve pacing, but the pacing of the scene is ruined by the fact that I have to keep pausing the video just to read what’s happening, because they go by so quickly. Flash of text, no text, flash of text, no text - those moments of no text seem like a just the amount of time needed to let the text crawl by slowly enough to be legible. I can’t help but think there was a better way to produce this, I’m sorry to be so critical 💙
While I’m at it, though, I will bring to you some terminology from Doctor Who:
This is not a restoration of the scene. This is a reconstruction of the scene. If, indeed, either word can be used, since it was never properly in place to be restored or reconstructed. This video, itself, is still just editing storyboards together to make a thumbnail of the scene
Which is to say: I have some disagreements regarding this presentation. Hopefully these words are received in the spirit of the show that inspires us 💙
If you just read every third word it works perfectly. 😀
I set it to.25% speed and turned the sound off
They should have had that end sequence on the hexagons take place within a surrounding Wall of Memories. The concept of V'gers accumulated data and all the images of its travels is GREAT. It belongs in the story by separating it out impedes efficient storytelling. Having Kirk, Spock, Bones, Ilia, and whatisname bear witness to V'gers story would be mind-blowing...
I love this new set. Too bad we couldn't have seen a bit of it in the final edit. The concept of how V-GER would use small robots to defend itself is excellent, as well as the decision to make them simple pyramids with an unknown "magnetic" power. This sequence suggests that Kirk is a virus and the small robots are V-GER's white blood cells. Very good! But the movie, though one of my favorite science fiction movies, is already a bit long, and I understand the need to cut this sequence for time.
I noticed continuity fail the second viewing of this film ( space suits ) . This was a big budget film but too much emphasis on special fx & storyline was " The challenging" on steroids ! They did at least have some of the character interactions of the series ! I remember they said never another Star Trek film ! Then came TWOK ! WOW! They had a short budget / good high paced story . ST seems to do best with lower budget & great writing !
That was amazing! I wish we got that in the movie
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They were smart to cut this section. it introduces too many elements that weren't important to the overall story.
love this film and watch it at least once a year. was really glad when the director's cut became available on Blu-ray! be great to see all this extra stuff be re-mastered and integrated but if it changes the pre-existing chronology, it would be better just as an added extra feature. the film is just so languorous already but I love that it's a whole lot of eye-candy and often the cast are reduced to just gawping at something off screen! their expressions mirror a lot of the audience who are just looking on in wonderment. I can see why it wasn't as critical a success as they'd hoped for and is indeed thinner in plot (given its run time) than an episode of the original series. But seeing this additional material, wonderfully reconstructed, is a treat!
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Excellent. Maybe OTOY(channel on YT) would finally do this as a finished 3 to 4 minute insertion for the film.
Nice assemblage. Hopefully the raw footage will come out someday. You even used the cereal cards.
Thanks
This was spectacular. I wish this had been completed and left in. Or at least in an extended or director's cut version.
This isnt a restoration, it is a montage of pictures over the script- moving at light speeds...
Uh…warp speeds
WOW! I'm not one for making substantial changes to theatrical releases, but i honestly think they should have left this as was intended. What we got to see of Spock entering V'Ger, theatrically, was incredible in its own right, but this scene would have added even more to the mystique that is V'Ger.
Thank you for sharing. That was amazing!
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This scene of Mr Spock jet packing through the alien apature always reminds me of 2001 A Space Oydessy!
It's my guess that this deleted scene is Roddenbery with Shatner's approval, and what we got was the "not authorized version". ;) Remember this movie went through rewrite after rewrite. Gene hijacked a lot of the script. Gene is an idea man, but not a story guy. Spock by himself in the craft, makes more sense. The scene is about him, not Kirk and Spock. What we got is way better despite the fact it leave Kirk outside with egg on his face.
Interesting concept, but glad it was deleted. Apart from adding more run time to an already slow moving movie, one thing that would've made it difficult to pull off was Spock floated out in space for a few minutes as he mentally calculated when to start up the suit's engine by observing the rate at which the aperture opened & closed. Mind you this is a guy who, for the ep. "Tomorrow is Yesterday", was able to crunch the numbers in his head to calculate the spin around the sun to jump forward into time. And here he is crunching figures in his head to avoid slamming into the aperture when it closes. And Kirk is supposed to pull off the same number crunching to join him...how? Anyway, the whole sequence wouldn't have added anything, IMHO. Spock undertaking this as a solo adventure was enough to see his character arc through, and bring him back from K'holinar robotic Spock to the more half-human Spock of TOS.
I do like that the film has since been revisited and recut, and that version has been airing on the Pluto Star Trek On Demand movie channel. The FX has been updated, and the damn thing even has an overture now that plays for 2-3 minutes before the fanfare we now associate with NextGen starts the movie. There've been a few seconds & scenes trimmed here & there, but it's a better movie than what this then-8 year old saw in 1979.
This poor film was just... way too convoluted for a single film. 😕 It's unfortunate, but ST1 almost wrecked the idea of there even being a ST2, etc. Thank heavens 2-5 were pretty awesome. IV and "Undiscovered Country" were basically my favorites until the crossover one with the TNG cast. And yes, it was *great* to see Michael Dorn as Kirk and McCoy's lawyer in U.C.! 💪😎✌️
scene adds nothing to an already plodding story. aside from novelty, it is a good move to edit it out.
Y'know what the weird thing is? You can consider this as a separate short film that takes place between 2 in/out points in the finished film. So say you have this great scene...but it's too long, it slows down the film...but the exposition can be important in the overall. So what you do is clip the sequence and then edit it into a stand-alone section that can be watched independently.
If Tolkien can write all kinds of backstory as appendices in LOTR...and it works as a book...why can't it also happen and work with film? Especially since nowadays, we're used to the idea of franchises having lots of supplementary material meant to be composited after the fact?
They should have left this is the movie. It would have been more substantive, less eye candy.
It's a shame this sequence was so screwed up by the Abel effects house. This kind of Kirk-Spock interaction would have been interesting showing Spock returning to his more recognizable personality rather than the self-centered Spock early in the film. On the downside, this sequence is another derivative--similar to the antibodies attacking Rachel Welch in the film Fantastic Voyage.
Amazing video and investigation. Thanks!
This would have made the movie so much cooler!
The blaster beam was the perfect instrument for this film.
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Obviously in the minority in preferring this scene over the movie cut. I feel like it explains a lot more, adds some action and fleshes out the vessel.
There were a few major logical flaws to "Star Trek: The Motion Picture"
- As seen in this deleted scene, we see Kirk follow Spock through the opening and closing oriface to the memory chamber, but Spock (with his Vulcan brain) had to carefully time his suit's countdown, thrust, the time to reach the oriface along with the timing of the oriface. He did this without anyone else's knowledge. Kirk did this without any help and even caught up with Spock. It was wise to get rid of this scene.
- The Federation and the Enterprise witness the destruction of a Federation space station and a few Klingon battlecruisers by watching transmissions from them. The issue is that V'Ger literally atomized that station and those ships. Even after those machines had been reduced to nothing, the transmissions continued but only showed empty space. How in the world could the transmissions continue without the cameras or the ships/station to transmit them?
Completely agree! This scene was extraneous!
I had the annual as a kid, which must have been drawn from the original script as this is in it; as is a Red Shirt getting zapped on the bridge
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I wish Kirk was in the same space suit for both movie versions.
"Yeah, where is Spock, anyway? He should be on the bridge!"
They shouldn't have cut this part out, it would have made the movie better by giving us a better understanding of V'ger. Instead, they should have done a mixture of the two versions of this part, showing the representations of absorbed objects and people and then having Spock and later Kirk reaching the memory banks.
I think maybe I would have liked to have seen this scene in the movie but seeing it now is still kind of cool thanks
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Is that Clint Eastwood with his kids on set?
Yes
I thought it was the Decker fan club.
@@mikebell2112oof. but yeah.
(For those that don't know and want to be heavily depressed/angered, look up the actor's Wikipedia page)
In my 46 years of life I've never known this footage existed and quite frankly the way you presented it made the story seem more intense and creepy but in a good way !
They should have got a better director than the guy who directed West side story to do this movie and there should have been 2 battle scenes , and I don't mean the initial one with the Klingons fighting v' ger .
We have to remember this movie was birth out of Paramount's want to compete with 20th century Fox and its smash Hit with Star wars !
Could it be done , absolutely !
Was it done correctly , absolutely not !
It's too slow , to poignant in compare and comparison to World War II in space that was Star wars !
Thank you so much for uploading this, I have the directors edition on dvd and watched it again, wonderful film.
I farted most harshly whilst watching this film again, but it gave me…hope….