Xamel COMPLETE Development History (Gundam Lore)

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  • @HamanKarn567
    @HamanKarn567 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    As someone who loves history and strategy type video games. The Xamel always reminded me of a self propelled gun. Mobile artillery you can just shower an area with but move it all around. 0083 is also my favorite Gundam and the animation is just so good. I love the joint attack. Working with a couple missile barrages from a Jukon class then giving artillery support for those Doms to blitz through the base while Gato gets out. Causing mass confusion and casualties. Crazy scene.

    • @IronWarhorsesFun
      @IronWarhorsesFun ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s absolutely stupid how unprotected Torrington Base was especially given it’s use as a MS testing ground. It has no walls or other simple barriers to protect against a blitz which should have been a very foreseeable situation. Also no defence AA or other batteries not even a few M61 tanks

    • @gundamfacts
      @gundamfacts  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      UC83 definitely has a lot of charm, notably animation wise. It's an excellent transition from UC79 to Zeta which is always nice, especially with the Albion paving the way aestetically from the White Base to the Argama

    • @justinjacobs1501
      @justinjacobs1501 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@JeanLucCaptain there are several factors that could have led to Torrington's poor defenses. The first is that because most of the fighting had shifted away from the earth near the end of the war, both forces likely would have moved much of theor forces off world to follow the conflict. This could lead into factor two, the base was assumed to be in a relatively uncontested region. But the last factor I have is a bit more tin foil hat... Torrington was intentionally under guarded to make it easier for Gato to steal the Physalis. We don't know just how many fingers the Titan's had in the lead up to Operation Stardust but it's possible they had a hand in the poor defense of the base.

    • @HamanKarn567
      @HamanKarn567 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah you never know how much yjey were meddling with. And with them ending up having Cima switch sides they could have had other people inside the zeon remnant ranks giving them info.

  • @Kenny_F91
    @Kenny_F91 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    It's admirable how much the Zeon military was able to makeshift so many variants of mobile suits using random parts.

  • @oliverb.9121
    @oliverb.9121 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I also like the idea of unit 3 being on the crashed musai. But I also doubt a xamel would fit into a musai hangar. The solution to this would be to disassemble the xamel which would also explain why the remnants could only salvage the cannon and not the whole suit.

  • @inquisitorgarza312
    @inquisitorgarza312 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    A heavy artillery mobile suit is great in concept and theory, however as stated many times throughout wars and conflicts sometimes great ideas are just great on paper and nothing more.

    • @IronWarhorsesFun
      @IronWarhorsesFun ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I love how it is SOMEHOW out-ranged by the much shorter barreled Guntank. Also IGLOO played lose with the capability of these units, Especially the Holdorfer and RTX-440 which in both cases are shown to be FAR more capable then should be possible.

    • @gundamfacts
      @gundamfacts  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It isn't very Zeon to leave something only on paper. I mean, among hundreds of stupid prototypes Zeon pumped for any reason, most left the drawing board which is insane (I'm looking at you Zock, Agg, and even Agguguy)

  • @arcticarduino
    @arcticarduino ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Two of my favorite designs for this franchise, thank you for the coverage!

    • @gundamfacts
      @gundamfacts  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It was an old project of mine, hope everyone enjoy!

  • @gunplacustoms5444
    @gunplacustoms5444 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I love the look of the 105mm rifle on the Hidolfr.

    • @IronWarhorsesFun
      @IronWarhorsesFun ปีที่แล้ว

      300mm.

    • @kaysieedwards4772
      @kaysieedwards4772 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@IronWarhorsesFun I think they’re talking about the machine guns it has not the big cannon

  • @chuen820820
    @chuen820820 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    23:45 The Zaku gunner is a 06F, not a 06F-2(look at the chest piece).

    • @gundamfacts
      @gundamfacts  ปีที่แล้ว

      True, but it has the F2 chest cockpit armor, which is the most notable difference between F and F2, ence why some consider it more of a F2 variant than a F

  • @barrybend7189
    @barrybend7189 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    About the Xamel artillery origins. The Xamel could have been in pieces and the Musai transporting it got downed and crashed on the moon.

  • @marioshobbyhq
    @marioshobbyhq 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Finally a video diving deep into the Xamel, I have been searching for this from the first time I saw it in 0083 OAV! Thanks!

  • @flatheadgg2443
    @flatheadgg2443 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My guess is that unit3 was either heavily damaged or not fully completed yet, and thus shipped offworld partially disassembled.
    It would make sense considering all they could salvage was the main cannon.
    Also it might be a bad idea but if you already give him dumb little crab hands might as well make them like the ones on all the amphibious suits so he can actually defend himself.

    • @ZeonicFenrir
      @ZeonicFenrir ปีที่แล้ว

      I think the simplest explanation about unit 3 being carried by a Musai is that it was inside an HLV being carried by a Musai. The large gap between the Musai engines is supposedly meant for this very purpose, and should be usable in both scenarios: taking an HLV that is going to be dropped to Earth and retrieving one that has escaped from Earth. Given that the Xamel is a ground unit, and likely even more useless than a MS-06J in space (as seen in MS Igloo ep 3), it was probably kept inside the HLV until it was delivered to the Moon.

    • @ZeonicFenrir
      @ZeonicFenrir ปีที่แล้ว

      Regarding the arms, I wish they had at least given it twin 105mm machine gun arms like that of the MS-06V-8 Zaku Tank Wild Boar, or at the very least a Dra-C's 40mm vulcan arm. Also makes you wonder why the unit seen in 0083 couldn't have been fitted with the beam saber/shield combo of the Dra-C either, even just as a last resort weapon?
      That aside, I think we also have plenty of examples of arm mounted wepaons, like the Gouf Custom's gatling shield & 35mm vulcan gun, or the arm-mounted & hip-mounted missile/rocket weapons of the MS-06D, which probably even those crappy arms could use. My personal favorite would be to just give it one or even 2 gatling guns like the one of the MS-09F/Br Dom Barrage: if necessary just removed the lower arm and connect the weapon directly onto the upper arm, and also give it one or two ammo drums like those carried by the Dom Barrage, which the Xamel shouldn't have much trouble carrying around.
      I really want to think that those makeshift arms were only a provisional measure that had to be pushed to finish the design in time, similar to the legless Zeong, the MS-14GD thruster less legs & half shield, the OG Byarlant's arms or even the Jamru Fin's head & arms, though the arms of the later two MS do actually have simple beam guns/sabers, but perhaps we can attribute them to the fact that the EF and Neo Zeon were far more familiar with beam weapons by them, so improvising some simple ones was easier.
      Last, but not least, the Xamel is the kind of unit that given proper arms I could imagine using a Dom's heat saber or heat lancer, since in both cases the units are not particularly meant for melee combat, but rather run & hit attacks, which the Xamel could have easily be able to do given the mobility it demonstrated.

    • @gundamfacts
      @gundamfacts  ปีที่แล้ว

      I support both your ideas. Either the Xamel was in a HLV (which the California Base could launch from Earth to be recovered by the Musai), or either it was still disassembled. For your headcannons we can theorize that if HLV there was, it didn't appeared in Phantom Bullet (unlike the Musai carcass) because the Xamel Trio moved it elsewhere to repurpose it as a living habitat (I mean they were essentially bombarding lunar cities, i doubt they lived there as well).
      Bonus: considering the four pincher manipulator of the Xamel Unit 1, it isn't stupid to imagine Zgock iron Nails for the suit.

  • @ethanspaziani1070
    @ethanspaziani1070 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Iconic folding armored core style grenade rifle you can't mess that up one of if not the go to choice for a back weapon for me every time!

  • @McLeod917
    @McLeod917 ปีที่แล้ว

    very thorough and informative. thanks for all your work.

  • @Caffiend-Cat
    @Caffiend-Cat ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It'd be awesome if you did a MK.V or Xeku video.

    • @gundamfacts
      @gundamfacts  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      To be fairly honest, with Cod being the mascot of the channel, it is not "if" a Mk V video will ever be made, but "when" exactly.

  • @RaiJolt2
    @RaiJolt2 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The xamel is a super cool design!

  • @xnflg3074
    @xnflg3074 ปีที่แล้ว

    good timing, just started finally watching stardust memory. xamel is awesome

    • @gundamfacts
      @gundamfacts  ปีที่แล้ว

      Excellent timing then

    • @IronWarhorsesFun
      @IronWarhorsesFun ปีที่แล้ว

      Torrington base LITERALLY decades later is still very poorly protected. it makes NO SENSE and is blatant Zeon Favouritism we see so often in Gundam.

  • @ZeonicFenrir
    @ZeonicFenrir ปีที่แล้ว +3

    About the Dabude and its russian roots, I recall claims that the Dabude was actually built using incomplete soviet cannons prototypes, and that the Weasel (armored car) and gunship held (08th MS Team) are also captured soviet designs. I think this would mesh well with what happened with the submarines that Zeon captured at California Base and also modified. Wonder why we don't see more similar cases elsewhere?
    By the way, seeing the Xamel zipping around all over the place like that made me wonder fi the Zock was also supposed to be able to do the same, also relying on hovering legs for moving around. The large 4 legged version from the Journey to Jaburo (PS2) definitely looked capable. Also, I learned that apparently the Zock do was approved for mass production before the end of the war, but sadly it was too late for that to actually happen. Could the same have happened to the Camel?
    On a different note, I was a bit concerned when you said that the Xamel was built before the Gelgoog, since much like the MS-10 Pezun Dwadge and MS-11 Act Zaku, it was given the model number of a reclassified project, in this case the MS-16X Bishop Plan. The Bishop, which led to the MSN series, alongside the MS-X10 Gyan and MS-11 Gelgoog were essentially restarted once Zeon became aware of the existence of the Gundam on late September, all receiving new model numbers and freeing the ones they had for other projects. Still, that does give the Xamel a pretty shot time to be completed by October, unless they essentially had a Hildolfr upper toros already round for testing.
    On its connection with the YMS-09 Prototype Dom, I have seen many theories about California Base actually mass producing that version locally, which lead to units like the YMS-09D and both MS-09K-1 and MS-09K-2 Dom Cannons. If the Xamel was indeed designed at California Base, using the YMS-09 as a base instead of the MS-09 (which I have seen people often refer to as MS-09B) makes even more sense.
    I do am a bit concerned on how cluttered California Base is getting prior to the end of the war: not only it manages to produce some beam using units like the MS-05L and MS-14GD, but it is still in the process of mass producing the YMS-09D, of which we get a rather good grasp of its status by the end of the war: of 30 planned units, 10 were finished and shipped to their destination, 10 were completed but not delivered, and 10 were still being in the process of being converted from standard Doms. Then there's also the large number of amphibious designs, including the units for attacking Jaburo, the MS/MA hybrid Zock, the Grublo which actually even gets to test a functional underwater bit equipment and the UMP derived Hygogg and Z'gok E. Those guys definitely couldn't catch a break prior to the end of the war!
    While personally I would prefer to attribute the MS-09G Dwadge to a Zeon european base or space MS factory, given the aforementioned distinction between California YMS-09 derived Doms and MS-09B like Doms produced elsewhere, I think most people believe that the MS-09G was yet another design produced at California Base. Maybe you should do a video about California Base similar to you Neo Cartagena video (really liked that one!).
    Last, but not least, the idea that the Xamel and Hildolfr used repurposed barrels from the mega particle cannons of Zeon warships is very interesting. Personally I like the idea that the puny cannon often seen with the Zaku Cannon was originally a beam weapon, while the large cannon it uses in 08th MS team and games like Gundam Crossfire and 0081 (which it shares with the MS-09K-1 Dom Cannon) is the large ballistic weapon that caused no end of balancing problems for it. That also explains why the EF is still using some during the events of Zeta. On the other hand, the unit seen in U.C. 0096 could have been fitted with a ballistic look-a-like after its original beam cannon or larger ballistic cannon became unusable.

    • @gundamfacts
      @gundamfacts  ปีที่แล้ว

      I was aware for Dabude and Combat Heli, but not for the Weasel. Not only those were from Russian/Soviet stocks, but they were also created THROUGH THE HELP of Russian engineers, which open the possibility that there were separatists factions ON EARTH that opposed the federation (possibly remnants of pre-UC nations that joined the federation only though force).
      About the Zock, it seems Xamel has a loose relation with it. Unit 1, seen in Vanishing Machine, has that suspicious Zock type monoeye circuit and a right sort of iron nail. It could be that the Cali Base used the same assembling plant for both, or that both suits were actually cousins branches of some sort. Either way, this one was ready for the battle of Odessa, and a good chunk of the Western European campaign. If it was completed it would have been by mid to late October at least, if we include a minimum of testing (a week) and the shipment process to Europe, with half the American soil gradually being lost to Zeon

    • @IronWarhorsesFun
      @IronWarhorsesFun ปีที่แล้ว

      California base the Helhole of prototype MS and occasional MA development where desperate engineers went to die trying to make a bazillion flawed concepts SOMEHOW work and never focused on one or two or 3 standardized designs.
      ALso converting a Beam Cannon Barrel into a normal artillery cannon barrel would be much more complex. first you have to add rifling to the barrel which would be very complex (unless all are smooth-bore) then you need suitable ammo for them and where is that coming from espeically for a very limited prototype unit?. 2nd: in ww2 the early soviet union had a full military alliance with the Nazis until they screwed them over and declared war which the Dabuday may be a reference to. But in the context of UC and ESPECIALLY after the colony drop it makes no sense that Russia would collaborate in such a fashion. maybe a few people would have not cared and defected but the entire country making the rest of Earth their enemy in such a time?
      They would be just as pissed as everybody else on earth was at Zeonic insanity. Also consider operation Odessa was in Ukraine it would have needed the support of EFF Russian forces logically to succeed.

  • @enriquemarquez2589
    @enriquemarquez2589 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like and love this video because It's awesome And keep up the good work.🙂👍👋🌟🤩

  • @porkflaps4717
    @porkflaps4717 ปีที่แล้ว

    A highly specialized team of 13 year old girls were assembled by Zeon to pull off a suicide mission of epic proportions!

  • @basedsketch4133
    @basedsketch4133 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Y in model name i believe like fighter of YF-22 or YF-23 till official adoption

  • @teuflhunden
    @teuflhunden 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So basicaly this is mobile suit version of the Shwerer Gustav. And I would love to know how a Guntank has a 260Km range. That's roughly 162 miles for my fellow imperial standard users.

    • @gundamfacts
      @gundamfacts  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The Japanese sure love to pump their numbers

  • @davegravel882
    @davegravel882 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could you do the zudah or silver bullet next??

  • @DIEGhostfish
    @DIEGhostfish ปีที่แล้ว

    The flashing on the black and white section is a bit fast.

  • @sev2136
    @sev2136 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Sure is very zeon to make a mobile artillery piece made to be an assault gun, realize it's not working out so they can it than double back to make another mobile artillery piece made to be an assault gun but this time it's on a hovering platform with arms that might as well be cosmetic so it's all worth it.

    • @IronWarhorsesFun
      @IronWarhorsesFun ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Plus it’s a huge target and unlike Hildorfer has no visible Reloading mechanism for the gun which ALWAYS bugs me about these Artillery Mecha.

    • @gundamfacts
      @gundamfacts  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I mean the Xamel is still more effective than most bunker busters or Howitzers types that were commonly used by both factions during the war.

    • @sev2136
      @sev2136 ปีที่แล้ว

      They sure did make a guntank that's twice the size, more complex and more resource demanding to build.
      They could have at least given it Zaku arms so it at least has the option to use handheld weapons but I guess what I only assume the T rex arms purpose is for balancing and giving people happy slaps is good enough.

    • @IronWarhorsesFun
      @IronWarhorsesFun ปีที่แล้ว

      the Hildorfer in my opinion is the superior unit. its git a much lower profile in its tank mode making it much better for long range artilery, mounts a massive guns and its even capable of defending itself quite well in CQB in it's hybrid MS form.

    • @basedsketch4133
      @basedsketch4133 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​Use the Rhino

  • @HereticalKitsune
    @HereticalKitsune ปีที่แล้ว

    Now what came first, the Guntank or the Hildolfr?

    • @gundamfacts
      @gundamfacts  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Technically the Hidolfr original plan was older, but the Guntank's original concept was even more ancient (since the Guntank Unit 1 to 8 are the gradual reworking of the RXT-44 which was an Anti Zaku weapon platform, itself the reworking of a mega tank projet that was supposed to phase out the Type 61 MBT)

  • @Rexzombie
    @Rexzombie 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m commenting because I went that far in the video.

  • @anthonywalker6268
    @anthonywalker6268 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mass producing the Hidolfr might actually of been good for zeon.

    • @solaireofastora5999
      @solaireofastora5999 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It would've run into the same problems as most Unique MS. Money and resources

  • @leoornstein3963
    @leoornstein3963 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ah yes, the big fuck.

  • @IronWarhorsesFun
    @IronWarhorsesFun ปีที่แล้ว

    Xamel is crazy even by ZEON standards

  • @stangundam01
    @stangundam01 ปีที่แล้ว

    have you also done videos covering the different versions of the 00 gundam, dynames, G-Self, extreme gundam?

    • @Shin_Lona
      @Shin_Lona ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This channel focuses on Universal Century, at least it has so far. Not sure if there are plans to expand into the other series or not.
      However, there are other channels that have a similar format. I can't name drop, as it would be disrespectful / dishonorable - but you can search for Gundam Development History and I'm sure you could find them. I have seen quite a bit of coverage of 00 and Seed. Not sure about Reconquista and I'm even more doubtful about finding one for Extreme Gundam.

    • @basedsketch4133
      @basedsketch4133 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      People no matter the medium want to invade UC with alternative universe you could state this is u.c. in all UN languages and it would be ignored

  • @henryjensen6322
    @henryjensen6322 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Gaff's arms are from thre Byarlant and not the Xamel.

  • @ZeroDarkness-
    @ZeroDarkness- ปีที่แล้ว

    Grandfather of Tieren and Anf

  • @davegravel882
    @davegravel882 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Do ARX-10 silver bullet or the Hyperion family from Gundam seed next please

    • @gunplacustoms5444
      @gunplacustoms5444 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      This is for U.C. not the inferior series Seed.

    • @davegravel882
      @davegravel882 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gunplacustoms5444 well ARX-10 silver bullet!!! But was curious about the Hyperion so was asking

    • @gundamfacts
      @gundamfacts  ปีที่แล้ว

      Silver Bullet will come, alongside Dovenwolf and Gundam Mk V

    • @IronWarhorsesFun
      @IronWarhorsesFun ปีที่แล้ว

      @@davegravel882 it's ARX-014 its literally just e Federal version of the Doven Wolf.

    • @davegravel882
      @davegravel882 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@IronWarhorsesFun true but would be nice doven Wolf all the way to the silver bullet suporessor

  • @StudioWDOnline
    @StudioWDOnline ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Has some nice firepower but it's defenses are pretty weak.

    • @gundamfacts
      @gundamfacts  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It because it never showed us its dueling skills!

    • @basedsketch4133
      @basedsketch4133 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's not meant for front. The flaw was the guard units not having proper cover and spreading thin. They should have set the reactor into overload then pilot could have got on escape ship. ,2 birds with one bullet.

  • @stephenemery8831
    @stephenemery8831 ปีที่แล้ว

    First comment again!

    • @gundamfacts
      @gundamfacts  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes you are!

    • @stephenemery8831
      @stephenemery8831 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gundamfacts loved your video once again!

    • @stephenemery8831
      @stephenemery8831 ปีที่แล้ว

      @gundamfacts I love the AUC content you've been including too!

  • @jamesgilmour7984
    @jamesgilmour7984 ปีที่แล้ว

    second comment!

  • @rx_c5871
    @rx_c5871 ปีที่แล้ว

    I got second comment!!!!

    • @gundamfacts
      @gundamfacts  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks you for your reactivity! As fast as the Xamel!

  • @emperorhadrian6011
    @emperorhadrian6011 ปีที่แล้ว

    Byg gun.

  • @IronWarhorsesFun
    @IronWarhorsesFun ปีที่แล้ว

    I just realized the xamel is IN EVERY WAY a downgrade on the functionality of the Holdorfer. Non functional manipulator arms, useless legs, and fare more complicated while doing the exact same job.

    • @gundamfacts
      @gundamfacts  ปีที่แล้ว

      I wouldn't say that. Both have very different roles. The Hidolfr is more heavy cavalry, a fast big tank rushing to the fronline, bring down enemy land battleships, then transform in mobile mode to supress enemy ground targets. The Xamel is more about obliterating the enemy position from afar, then let the others grunts mop up the position. One is a fronline breaker, the other a fortress-buster

    • @IronWarhorsesFun
      @IronWarhorsesFun ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gundamfacts First: when do we see the LAND BATTLESHIPS?! please i am very eager for this as you fianlyl mentionsed one of them in this episode the Gallop-Class. Second: disagree with the above. a 300mm super long barrelled high velocity cannon in a 220 ton chassis used in the FRONT LINE/Assault ROLE is just insane in any period of history.
      we all know that IGLOO was VERY favouritistic in its depiction of both the Hildorfers and RXT-440 Assault Guntanks insane manoeuvrability and thus both are LUDICROUSLY unrealistic. as for the Xamel being a downgrade: unlike the Xamel, it can actually defend itself rather well, even the Shovel Arms are usable as competent melee weapons as we see them used to bash that Feddie Zaku. also where did that super cool image of the MS version of the Hildorfer come from? i need that in my folder.

    • @ShiangShi-dt1dc
      @ShiangShi-dt1dc 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@IronWarhorsesFun judging by manga igloo 603(may be wrong I translated using google) and comments on jav-se msv forums hildolfr is super expensive, specially for its construction shipyard that builds warships have been redone. land battleships could be destroyed by aircraft and ms but only in manga.

    • @basedsketch4133
      @basedsketch4133 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      When have you seen a hildi shelling long range or even in modern combat a mbt shelling using parabolic arc ?