What You Need To Know Before Moving to Foz do Douro, Porto
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- Foz do Douro is one of seven of the best neighborhoods in Porto, Portugal to live in but would you want to live in this posh district near the beach that's not super well-connected to the downtown? Check out what you can expect when visiting or living there, and how Josh and Kalie from ExpatsEverywhere rate it.
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Another great video. Thanks, guys! Safe travels 🇵🇹
Thank you! We appreciate it. The travels are going well so far. - Josh & Kalie
Hi - Great channel and overview! My family and I live in Foz, and love it. We are Swiss/Portuguese (I am Swiss, and my wife is Portuguese), and have been living in the area for the past 3 years with our two daughters (2 & 4). One important consideration for expats living in Porto with children, is that many of the international schools / bilingual schools are located in the area. In Foz, you have the French School, German School, British School, as well as CLIP which is British/American. Therefore, Foz is one of the neighborhoods of Porto with the highest concentration of expats. I am aware that many expats will be looking for a more "authentic" experience, but the above is an important consideration for many.
Keep posting great content!
Thanks, Nicolas. We appreciate you sharing here. You're 100% right. We went back and forth about how to cover topic of the international schools because our core audience doesn't have kids or they aren't school aged. In hindsight, we should have just given it a mention anyway. Thanks for writing it here. - Josh & Kalie
Nice spotlight on Foz! There’s a lot more to discover here for being so small, great place to live 👍🏼
Glad to see you guys, we miss you ❤️
Aww thanks! We appreciate it. Be back in Porto soon. - Josh & Kalie
Great series of videos. We like to see the scenery of each of the neighborhoods.
Thanks, Russell. We appreciate the feedback and we're glad that you like it. - Josh & Kalie
Fantastic, keep them comings guys.
Thanks, will do! - Josh & Kalie
Thanks for the overview of the Foz do Douro section of Porto. As I mentioned in a previous comment, I was in Porto two years ago, with one of my sons & daughter-in-law and we stayed in Foz. I know we missed a lot of things to see in Porto, when we were there, so thanks for covering different aspects of of the city. Your tour if Foz, especially, brought back fond memories. Thank you.
Thanks for sharing, Irene! We're glad to bring back fond memories. That's very neat for us to hear. - Josh & Kalie
Love the series...super helpful info. Hopefully, we will be able to visit Porto in Sept. as planned! 🤞🏻🤞🏻
We hope so too, Tonia! Thanks for the love and support. - Josh & Kalie
It’s so great to see the uniqueness of each neighborhood! Super helpful. As always, Cia is the frosting on the cake. That girl is so game to try all the things! 😍👏💓
Thanks, Elizabeth. We're so happy that you like the series and seeing the uniqueness of each neighborhood. What a great way to put it, Cia's the frosting on the cake! She ate octopus again today and liked it. She however didn't like avocado today for some reason, but we'll try again in a few weeks. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere what an amazing life you’re giving her! 🤍💜💚
@@elizabethreynolds6874 Thank you. Things aren't boring, that's for sure. - Josh & Kalie
Interesting series you guys are making and an eye opener to Porto's different districts and neighbourhoods. This feels like the Cascais version of Porto. Definitely like to explore including the cafes and restaurants. Great share!
Thank you! Doing this series made us even more aware of the differences around the city. It's been a really cool experience for us. - Josh & Kalie
Thanks for the addition of maps! Much appreciated.
Great, Jim! We wish we could have created our own graphic, but in time we'll get better at that. We're glad this sufficed. - Josh & Kalie
Well done! You articulated what being from Foz (or living in Foz) means very well. You are posh, you speak differently from everyone else, you live differently (on account of all the money you have...), you dress differently, your views are usually conservative, etc. That's a stereotype, of course, but it's true of many people. I taught for a year at the public school in Foz (Garcia de Orta) and I had a lot of students and colleagues who fit right into this stereotype! I wouldn't live there even if I could afford it, but I love walking along the sea and the river. I'm not much of a beach person either (plus the sea is freezing!).
Thanks for the addition input and personal story, Alexandra! We appreciate it. 🙏 - Josh & Kalie
Thanks for this wonderful video.
You're welcome. We appreciate the love, Yasin. - Josh & Kalie
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Wow 😲 I’m Portuguese originally from the Azores but living here in the USA South Carolina in Greenville and I never knew about this lovely side from the city of Porto, it reminds me of the city of Newport Rhode Island where I used to live near by which I really missed a lot 😢 because I used to live 20 minutes away from Newport where I used to spend lots of times in the beach walking around by the pier and eat out with my old friends tanks again guys for sharing these lovely places so people can see that we 2 have good places in Portugal ❤️😘👍🥂
Thanks, Joe Mac! We've never been to Newport or Rhode Island actually. 😅 - Josh & Kalie
I lived in Rhode Island in 1984 and I too spent a Summer in Newport and does look a lot like Foz. Good observation, Joe Marc!
I like foz seems like my type of suburb ,beach ,beautiful houses ,not so noise ,clean and beautiful 🤩
Very well done. Foz Velha feels like another city, because it historically was a separated municipality from Porto city. It was merged into Porto in 1836, and recently Foz, Nevogilde and Aldoar were merged into one "freguesia". The new neghborhoods, Like Praça do Império or Lordelo do Ouro were urbanized in mid XXth century. There is Parque da cidade, for a relaxed outdoor time, and Serralves is a good place to visit, despite the price... There is no metro, but several bus routes run every 10 minutes or so, to Ribeira and Boavista, so no big deal. The new metro line was anounced, but will not be ready anytime soon.
José Pinto with the win for the history lesson! Thank you, sir!! - Josh & Kalie
Could you let me know the name of new metro line plan project? You mean Pink line and Galiza St.? Thank you for the comment!
Paula and I loved this video. Paula loves the ocean, but we agree with you, we would rather live in the urban part of Porto and visit Foz. We didn't know that until we watched this informative video. Good Travels in your content creation project!
Thanks, Serafina! Good to see you. We missed you and Paula this weekend. If urban is a must, Foz doesn't offer that so we'd say pass. Kalie and I have discussed it and we wouldn't mind trying Matosinhos out for a few months, but ultimately, we're Bonfim people I think. Cedofeita's style seems to fit you all best.
Thank you. We're settled in Faro and getting things ready to start. Last episode in this series comes out tomorrow. - Josh & Kalie
Thank you for all the insight. Really helped us to see neighborhoods etc..We just moved to Foz from Miami beach and LOVE it! We’ve been in Porto for about 2 months with our 2 dogs and (too many) cats and were staying in a short stay in the Boavista area, thinking we wanted to try city life again but it was a difficult transition for our dogs.Once we saw the beach promenade and all the gorgeous neighborhood parks/ green spaces in Foz, we had to move here. Found a hidden gem of an apt with a huge private garden for a very reasonable price too. Ppl here are incredibly cool and friendly (same for everyone we have encountered in Porto actually) . Great for pets.
Miami! One of my favorite places in the US. We're really happy to have helped and played some part in your transition here. We're a week out from moving back to Porto. Reach out if you'd like to meet up. Email info@expatseverywhere.com - Josh & Kalie
I think Fox is going to be my place and I thank you for exposing me to it! On the bus how many minutes does it take to get downtown?
Thanks amazing video! Big hug for all
You're welcome. Thank you and big hug back atcha! - Josh & Kalie
Josh, you are not a beach person? How could you not love that! ;); keep up the good work, love the video.
Thanks! 😃
That's a good question. I don't know what kind of person I am 😅 I like beach activities but I don't like laying around on a beach and don't need to live by a beach. Don't get me wrong, it's beautiful.
Thanks for the support. - Josh & Kalie
Another great video. 👏
I’ve been thinking I could retire in Foz since you guys checked out some apartments there months back. Funny, the first time I was in the area, I didn’t really rate it. The sea is SO cold so for me, it kinda defeats the purpose of being bayside. However, given its proximity to Serralves, Matosinhos, Afurada and that continuous stretch of ocean that seems to go on forever, it’s undeniably a special place. Thanks again for this fabulous series.
Thank you, Wendy. You're welcome. We have 1 more to go. 😅
Thank you as well for sharing your experience in Foz. Good to know. - Josh & Kalie
Thanks very excellent. Stay safe healthy.
I love how Cia will try anything!
😁Us too. She has cod fish a two different restaurants in the next episode. - Josh & Kalie
Agree I’ve lived like that and it was great raising kids. If I came to Porto now alone I’d want to be close to downtown.
Yeah, downtown is cool for singles and couples without kids. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere all those bakeries would kill my keto diet lol
To your point Foz gives Porto another dimension beyond the old town but if you’re looking for the historical feeling of a European city, its not your place. One question though: why did you leave out Parque da Cidade? Its such a fantastic place and also a game changer for families!
Yeah, we agree, Pedro. We considered it but because of it's location north of Boavista Ave and it bordering Matosinhos and Senhora da Hora, we just omitted it. It's a GREAT park though. - Josh & Kalie
Was there 35 years ago, wow how different, LOL. Thanks. Loved this area I remember, was not that trendy years ago. What a treat. I do remember the boardwalk. At the time guidebooks said it was an bourgeois and boring place LOL, the rough guide was very dismissive. LOL.
People still consider it bougeois but it seems everyone has a walk there and why not? Walking is free. 😁 Thanks for sharing your experience here from 35 years ago. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere yes the rough guide was against the place. Lol. So I went there
Oml 30 years ago
Thanks again
If it's Fozh, it's going to be Pozh! Hey sorry I missed you this morning. I had a conflict in my schedule that I could not avoid!
I was wondering if you wanted to do an entire episode about me graduating from college for my Master's Degree? It will be great, and so much fun! One more neighborhood to go? Much Love, Rich
That's right, Rich. Yeah, sorry we missed you too. Next time! You'll need to upload your graduation vlog 😁 Let us know when you do, we'll watch it. One more to go...tomorrow! Thanks for the love 🥰 - Josh & Kalie
Would you guys be able/willing to do a video on the prices for renting or buying in these neighborhoods? Thanks for all you do.
Yes, we plan on it when we get back in Porto. The covid restrictions really messed up our content creation plan from the beginning of the year so we couldn't do as much real estate visits to film stuff. You're welcome. Thanks for the support. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere that would be great! My favorite neighborhoods (from a distance) seem to be Marques and Bonfim, and while I am checking Idealista, your input would be really valuable.
Love this, I’m going solo love cycling (don’t drive) park & coffee & indoor pool, would you mind if asked your suggestion, this look fab expensive can you cycle in too the centre Xxx your video awesome
Sure, you can cycle from Foz to the city center. - Josh & Kalie
Love seeing these neighborhoods. Can you add housing prices for rent in these aread??
Hey, Tami. We would love to really but contextually it just wouldn't make sense without showing people inside the places and talking about T1, T2, T3 and so on. You could find a T1 for €550 but you could also find one for €1,000. You might get a T3 for €1,000 or one for €3000. You know? Given the time and resources, we wouldn't mind doing a real estate episode in the different neighborhoods. - Josh & Kalie
This would be the place for hubby! We are beach people! But we would want to check out both Porto proper and Foz before deciding. This series is awesome guys! Loving it! Much love to yinz! ❤️❤️❤️
Thanks, Angelia. While you're at it, don't sleep on Matosinhos either. You might like it too. We're hoping to touch on Matosinhos and Gaia when we get back to Porto. Thanks for the love 🥰🥰🥰 - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere OOOOH! Thanks! Will definitely check them out!! Love the name Gaia!
Just found your channel today (via Veronica). We loved the Foz neighborhood when we stayed in an Airbnb there in 2019. You mentioned that it was the most expensive area in Porto - how much are we talking? Do any of your video get into details about rents in Porto?
Hi, Stephanie. Thanks for finding us and dropping a comment here. If you look at rents and price per square meter compared to other neighborhoods, it's the most expensive. We had a project run of real estate videos there interrupted in the lockdown, but we hope to create more real estate content back in Porto at some point. We do have a rental video, however, it's in the city center and not Foz. Best thing to do to compare prices would be to use a site like www.idealista.pt Hope that helps for now until we get a video or two done. Stay in touch, Stephanie. - Josh & Kalie
Foz is the third most expensive place on Portugal with a 2 bedroom apartment costing between 700k to 1 million, but it's an amazing place, a lot of high people live there, including football players, ministers, etc
A zona da Foz do Douro é bastante mais fresca no verão. Em dias muito quentes na foz nunca há muito calor. Por isso os portugueses procuram lá viver. ❤
What are rental costs there for 1 or 2 BR mid-scale places in this neighborhood? Would you think it is a good, quiet, safe one for a retired couple? Not retired yet, but planning. Thank you for all great info.
Mid-scale €700-1,200 but it really all depends however that would be the general range. Rentals in this area can soar because it's a holiday destination so good ALs tend to go on the nightly market or weekly market rates.
This area is certainly good, quiet, and safe not just for retirees but anyone looking for good, quiet and safe. The pace of life is slower and a bit fancier than the rest of Porto.
You're welcome. Thanks for asking. - Josh & Kalie
It's too expensive for most people to live in, obviously. If you could afford to live there, you definitely would. About visiting, it's fine, I guess, just don't invade it too often. The people who can actually afford to live there should be able to properly enjoy "the bubble" they are paying for without much disturbance.
I’m planning to move my family to torreira from Canada. So many good places but this is home to my wife and her family. Not far from avairo
Thanks for sharing. - Josh & Kalie
If you go to Spain are you breaking your continuous presence (6 months ) in Portugal? When I was in Portugal I drove to Spain because it was very close and easy to get to. I was still within the EU and Schengen zone and ny passport wasn’t stamped at all. Just wandering
By car, the question might be, how would they know? Yes, you've broken continuous presence as it needs to be in Portugal otherwise people could get have a Portugal residence visa but live elsewhere in the EU/Schengen.
Love this format, but what is the rating scale? Is it out of 5, out of 10? I apologize if I missed it. For those of us that are sea/water people, would love for you to include information about swimming, boating, water sports... to be near and IN the sea is the main reason we are going to relocate to Portugal. Thanks!
Thanks, Kathy. Sorry about that I don't think we mentioned in each video that it's out of 5. It's the 7 most livable neighborhoods in Porto so nothing is less than a 3 out of 5 for us personally. It's the Atlantic so it's colder water for sure. There is surfing and such. The yahtch clubs are further north in Matosinhos. - Josh & Kalie
Nice neighborhood! Where do they park their yachts?
You're fancier than we are, PeterD! We believe the yacht clubs are in Matosinhos. - Josh & Kalie
Yes, we have five yate club em Matosinhos, in Leixões port . 💪🇵🇹🤩🤩
There is a metro line goes to Foz not along the beach but not far inland.
Hi Olivia, there is 100% not a metro line that goes to Foz do Douro. There is one in Boavista, Ramalde, and Matosinhos. The ones in Matoshinhos would be the closest but that's not Foz. - Josh & Kalie
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That is the one l was referring it isn’t far from the new ferry terminal, just a short walk inland.
@@oliviaperrin1146 okay, so if we can agree to saying that Castelo do Queijo (there's a debate about that we know) is on the edge of the neighborhood of Foz, then it's a mile walk (1.6 km) from Matosinhos Sul, which is the closest metro. We would not consider that to be servicing the neighborhood for the purpose of living there. - Josh & Kalie
I'm guessing that you aren't going to cross the river as part of this series, but Vila Nova has some pretty great places!
We're not going to on this series, but we might do an additional one with a couple for VNG and one video on Matosinhos. We weren't sure of the interest of this series but we've been encouraged. We'll be in Faro tomorrow to start preparing for our 90 day content creation project. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere WOW! Can’t wait to see your discoveries from your 90-day adventure. 🚃 🚗 Would like the ‘across-the-river’ areas of Porto too…when you find the time. ⏱Obrigado. 🙏🏻
@@ExpatsEverywhere Thanks, again for giving us a taste for the areas around Porto. Here is another vote for both the Gaia and Matosinhos/Leca regions.
@@ScottinValbom you’re welcome. 😃
@@lucchese20 us too. We don’t know what we have in store. 😃 We’ll get there.
When a person is "from Foz" it can mean that person is quite snob. Like, when a rich peeson looks down on you as if they were better. Depends on the context, though.
Right. - Josh & Kalie
it's like Cascais, when you say you live in Foz, automatically people think you are rich.
Great Video I agree Foz is beautiful but far from Porto
Thank you very much. 😁 - Josh & Kalie
Foz is Porto and it is not far from the center. I am Portuguese and I live in Matosinhos, side by side with Foz. A good place and near from other places of the city.
Foz= place where a river or other watercourse flows into the sea, another river or a lake;
Yup in English, we call that the mouth of a body of water. - Josh & Kalie
So 3 stars out of what?
3/5 for us. For others, Foz is 5/5. This whole series is the 7 most livable cities in Porto so nothing is less than a 3 out of 5. - Josh & Kalie
Foz is posh!
😁 Yea! - Josh & Kalie
The lady is pronuncing it wrongly. It is not FAZ, it is FOZ
So not Fuzz, but Fauche, like the gentlemen is pronuncing.
😅 Kalie's not very confident with pronunciation. Josh has an acute lack of self-awareness so he just gives it a go. - Josh & Kalie
Pronounced fouge fyi
Amazing…you guys must be Americans…you’re in Portugal and yet you pronounce the word “Jardim “ in Spanish not Portuguese. Double check with the locals how to pronounce “Jardim do Passeio “. I was wondering as well…why is it that when Portuguese folks moves to North America you call them “immigrants “… When Anglos move to Portugal 🇵🇹 they’re “expats”… this type of behavior is known as “Anglo-centrism”, that’s euphemism for “Anglo-arrogance”.
Hi Lecir, you're bringing a lot of heat here for not knowing much about us so we'll assume that you're a first time viewer. Thanks for watching. 1st-We are Americans. We used to live in Spain and know some Spanish so unfortunately, that's our default. We're learning Portuguese now. Sometimes we make mistakes. Actually often we make mistakes.
We don't define immigrant or expat the way you're stating. Immigrant has to do with a long term/permanent relocation in mind. Expat is more temporary or indefinite. The intentionality is the important thing in it, but either way, it doesn't matter to us personally. Immigrant isn't derogatory. Immigrants and expats are by definition migrants and foreigners in their new country. Here are 3 examples of Iberians on our channel that are expats. 2 of them are already back in their home country and the other one has extended her stay in the UK.
th-cam.com/video/ygT1iesoPoI/w-d-xo.html - Spaniard in the US
th-cam.com/video/U5sGZIQK5Eo/w-d-xo.html - Portuguese in UK
th-cam.com/video/xuRE96lhGnw/w-d-xo.html - Portuguese in Switzerland
Have a nice day. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere : I agree with you and apologize for being so mean 😪. But here is what Wikipedia had to say regarding this expat vs immigrants under the heading “expatriates “: The varying use of these terms for different groups of foreigners can be seen as implying nuances about wealth, intended length of stay, perceived motives for moving, nationality, and even race. This has caused controversy, with many asserting that the traditional use of the word "expat" has had racist connotations. For example, a British national working in Spain or Portugal is commonly referred to[by whom?] as an 'expatriate', whereas a Spanish or Portuguese national working in Britain is referred to as an 'immigrant', thus indicating Anglocentrism. Wiktionary.org: Anglocentrism:
The practice of viewing the world from English or Anglo-American perspective, with an implied belief, either consciously or subconsciously, in the preeminence of English or Anglo-American culture.
@@lecirdaluz Hi, again. You are passing judgement on us when your issue seems to be with others. Again, we gave 3 examples on our channel of "expats" that were counter to your argument.
Also, we can go back to your original post "Amazing…you guys must be Americans..." followed by negativity. It's fine, this is the Internet and you have your opinion but you're judging us on being "anglocentric" and what have you just done to us? What's the name for that?
@@ExpatsEverywhere : Hi again…no judgment was intended. You two appear to be wonderful Humans, and in retrospective my phraseology was far from my intentions, so again I apologize. What I meant 😪 is to convey to you that Lusophones, specifically Luso-Americans (Brazilians) tend to be very “touchy and Sensitive” to Anglo-Americans assuming that in Brazil we speak Spanish not Portuguese. When we tend to clarify that error, their (the anglos) response is “potato potato, tomato tomato” (see the TV movie “bed and breakfast with Dean Cain, you'll see what I mean). I lived in North America for over 4 decades, and countless times when I told them I was born in Brazil, they start babbling in Spanish. So it grows on you, and again, you're right, my issues are with others not you. Anglo Americans hate when we generalize the USA and yet they’re forever generalizing Brazil. So go in peace and yes it was my first time visiting your channel and I really liked the content. Great 😊 job. I will watch the other publications. Again forgive me for being such an ass.
do not move to foz, porto, we dont need or want you, visit is ok, move in, no no no