Why Most Americans Living in Portugal End Up Leaving
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Great video, Another factor to add is Do they spend a lot of time planning their financial future? The majority of people do not engage in planing for their future
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long and gloomy winters in Portugal? mate I've been living in the UK for 14 years, you have no idea what long and gloomy looks like 😂
Ha Ha try living in New England in America 8 months of winter. However, some people like it its all about your taste.
Bruno Nunes, true, the winters are long and gloomy in the UK, especially up north.
Moved from The Netherlands to Argentina for this exact reason (among some other exact reasons).
I live in Norway and love the winter months. So we are different, because I couldn't bring myself to waste the winter months with a hot and sweaty climate.
When spring comes with its plump spring flowers, it is also holiday time, even if the summer is too hot, but luckily you can go up into the mountains to normal temperatures.
@@maidsua4208 Lol yes I guess we're all different. For me summer should be shorts, flipflops, hot nights and palm trees.
I’m very confused. As an American in Portugal all the “negatives” are positives (except the graffiti, but the street art is fantastic). The whole point of moving out of the US is for differences. Not replicating the US lifestyle somewhere else. 😊
Well said. I think this video is addressed to those who through a sense of entitlement demand a replica of the country they are leaving behind. To them I say, what is the point of moving? There are always tradeoffs and the US is better in some ways, in other ways Portugal is better. Adapt, deal with the cons and enjoy the many pros.
There's not a city on the planet that isn't completely artificial that doesn't have graffiti LOL... I've been all over Western Europe, parts of the Middle East, and Central America... accept the graffiti. It's just a part of life when people are freer to express themselves than most Americans are ;)
That’s not true for everyone. Many many people enjoy many aspects of American life. Many want to move somewhere that’s different but not too similar.
@@aquelpibe And if you are leaving your country because you are unhappy, then chances are you won't be happy with the next.
Right, I do not get it either.
As an Englishman living in Alentejo since 2002, I've seen so many foreigners come and go. Quite a few, like me have stayed and lived happily, but quite a few more just couldnt adapt or embrace Portuguese (or nearby Spanish) life. Better that, than staying if they're unhappy. All I can say is my life only truly began when we arrived here. I will never live anywhere else. I have had nothing but wonderful experiences from the first day to now.
Yeah, I have been in Spain for 4 years and have seen foreigners come and go like it's a revolving door, not just people from the English world but also French, Germans, ect. The only people that stay are the ones that learn the language and somehow find a good job. The ladder is incredibly difficult in the Mediterranean and if I have to leave it will be for this reason.
@@Gewehr_3 So true Xavier. Living here's the easy bit. It's finding a way to pay for it that's hard. But it is possible if you are able to speak Spanish or in my case, Portuguese. Good luck to you. Once you're able to live independently, there's no better life.
Trouble with Portugal is that the language is useless in the rest of the world, it is not useful except there. I do not count Brazil as I have no desire to go. I did like my visit to Lisbon many years ago, and the people were very friendly. But at my age now, it is too difficult to learn another language.
@@chriswilliams6568why do you not want to go to Brazil?
@@jordanhtiffirg1990 sorry, have no desire, too hot for me, and afraid of robberies and it is too upsetting to see the poverty and not being able to afford to help. Plus few have had Covid shots, (because your last president did nothing about Covid and was a denier )so there must be a lot of it about. Good luck
the problem is not americans, canadians or any other nationality moving here. The problem is investment funds wanting to invest in real-estate in Portugal. They buy at already absurd prices, leave the houses empty for a while and then put them on the market for an even more ridiculous price. There are thousands of empty houses in Lisboa and Porto, that could be used for anyone to live in, regardless of their nationality.
“Regardless of their nationality” what a cuck
@@nowayconway3580 não sei o que é um "cuck", mas se quiseres falar na minha lingua podes explicar-me?
Exato. É uma fábrica de dinheiro. Na Madeira então é ridículo. Claro que quem tem dinheiro para investir vai investir, mas está a tornar certas zonas numa aldeia de reformados de outras nacionalidades, nómadas digitais e visitantes sazonais com 3 ou 4 propriedade no seu nome em que ganham dinheiro com alojamento local. As medidas que Portugal tentou implementar não vão resultar se não forem levadas a rigor. E até lá vamos continuar a pagar o dobro pelas nossas casas e triplo pelo aluguer. Oxalá um dia está bolha imobiliária rebente
Joas, that has been happening in Florida (USA), making it unaffordable to buy a house for the average person. The government needs to step in both countries but I doubt that will ever happen.
@@joaomatias mas sempre foi assim quem tem dinheiro compra ,constrói, o problema não são os americanos, canadianos,e ninguém é obrigado a arrendar o que é seu,porque o estado já recebeu e continua a receber através do IMI, mesmo antes dos estrangeiros os portugueses queixavam-se de não terem casa condignas, principalmente em Lisboa e Porto
We don't hate Americans, we don't hate anybody, we just hate being poor but that is not your fault. The impact of you coming to live here is still negligible but like everything, its just a matter of numbers, it will eventually impact our property prices and general prices just because of the huge pay gap, you really earn way more money than we do and that is the reality. I lived in California for a while and its a no brainer to move to Portugal if i was American, its safer, quieter, better value for money and overall a much better life quality. Just don't be a asshole and call your self an expat, you are an emigrant, learn the language, pay your due taxes and quit the americanism of being entitled. Another thing we don't need is racism and coffee to go, just sit down and forget your lattes and enjoy the conversation on the neighborhood café, its cheaper and you will make friends.
Well said.
É voltar para lá, estás à espera de quê? Parasitas como tu já cá há muitos.
Foi muito bem apanhado m’belo amigo :)
Especially the RACISM!!
We really don't hate anybody, but we have a friendly sibling rivalry with the Spanish, with whom we often trade good spirited banter barbs. Think nothing of it; we love them, really.
I am 100% Portuguese but born and raised on the Texas-Mexico southern border. I plan on retiring to Portugal being both of my parents were Portuguese citizens. I am going to open an authentic Mexican food & Fruit/Treats joints in Lisbon
Please do! That’s the one thing I miss: real Mexican food.
Let us know when you do it!
You do very well in Lisboa with the restaurant. Brazilian Rodizio restuarant have been succesful in Lisboa and Porto. Portuguese people will accept you as long as you show respect and friendship. Portugal e muito bonito
They’re are tons of Mexican food places in Lisbon now…lots of taquerias.
You grew up in Mexico or US?
Portuguese don't have lunch for 2-3 hours. It's 1 hour lunch on work days. On weekends and holidays sure it can be longer, assuming you are lunching with friends or family.
Foi o que eu pensei também. Uma mãe que trabalha e tem de ir buscar os filhos na hora do almoço, mal tem tempo para comer...
nos EUA engolem uma sandes sentados nas escadas, 15 minutos se tanto 😁
Didn't he mean, that the lunch break, of a length that he didn't spell out, doesn't start until 1pm? As opposed to starting at 12noon, for example?
"Sometimes you have to know a guy who knows a guy in order to get things done": this is, unfortunately, quite true, I'm afraid. In our (poor) defence, things aren't so dissimilar elsewhere; when I moved to London, I couldn't open a bank account without an address, and I couldn't rent a flat without a bank account. In the end, I met a guy who knew a guy (see?) who knew a woman with a flat to let, and she was kind enough to dismiss the bureaucracy of bank accounts and such.
As the bureaucrat which I was in my job I always found it interesting to play the system. So the same conumdrum or Catch-22) exists in Germany. I wonder if you could rent short-term so you get an address?
In Australia I looked for a bank that let me put the address of my hostel :)
But for a room/apartment to rent, same story... Had to find a guy that knew a guy...
that is a common problem when moving to another country
I like many things about Portugal, but I'm not sure it would be my first choice for a new home. Although prices are lower than the US, amenities in most homes outside cities are very basic. Services outside cities are also hit or miss. You can't expect a small town to have a licensed plumber, for instance, but you'll often find that Uncle Josef can help you out with that after he brings in his olives. He also fixes cars, can rewire your home, and he occasionally can score some really good seafood from his sister's brother-in-law's second cousin.
Once upon a time it was like that in America.
it is the same in Croatia. It is mediterranen mentality. If you want all that about plomber stuff then go to Germany, Denmark, Norway🌝
If you want to integrate somewhere, the first thing you do is learn the local language. I only hear the Americans complaining that it is so difficult. I had to learn English you know, and 3 other languages. Don't be silly.
Portuguese is a difficult language to learn especially for English speaking people. Why in heavens name would you want Mexican food in Portugal? I myself find Mexican food very unappealing.
@@wplains English speaking, with the Americans in particular, find every foreign language difficult. How difficult do you think English is with its weird sounds and non phonetic writing.
@@cellevangiel5973yeah that’s because you’re a European you dolt. America is a huge country, and only a small amount of people speak a different language, mainly Spanish. You can drive for 12 hours and never leave Texas. You Europeans think you’re so enlightened, I’m fact youre just exposed to many other cultures simply because of geography. America is more homogeneous than Europe.
I believe it helps to learn a foreign language if you already love that part of education. I studied 3 years French in high school. Had no use for it sadly after school. Years later I worked in Switzerland and studied German in the year before I moved there. After a year I studied Italian just because it's so beautiful. Lo and behold, the French Swiss would speak to me in Italian! But never German. And you know they are multi lingual. My biggest regret was returning to the US. (It was to continue my education, not for any other reason. Would have been impossible to study medicine in German)
I wish I could return for the rest of my life. Yes there have been changes over 40 some years, but... I still would be happier there.
Millions of people in the US never learn to speak English.
I came to Portugal 3 and a half years ago to experience and to travel throughout Europe. I can only say that the Portuguese people I have met are the kind that we need most in this world.
Love Portugal ❤😊!
You never were in a situation where you needed help from the police? Lucky you .. because they don't. They would let you die in a ditch if you do not have a PT passport
I 100% agree!
Me too! We travelled there in 2018 and stayed in Guincho for 2 years we love Portugal ❤
That’s good to say that. Many reports in the media and books saying that the foncal divide is great and therefore drug gang issue are bad (with many shipments coming in from Brazil and easier access to weapons) and getting worse. Whereabouts are you based and have you seen evidence of this?
But the prescription drugs are much higher there than in the U.S. & they don't take Medicare I also looked at the price of condos compared to where I live in the U.S. & they're much more. It's ridiculous!!!
I'm Irish but brought up in England. I came here in 1975 and stayed. Portuguese bureaucracy has improved enormously. I remember queueing up in Lisbon to pay taxes - surreal! Now everything is interlinked via data bases. I speak Portuguese fluently. In 1975, only a handfull of students could speak basic English; now, I have to tell Portuguese people that they can speak to me in Portuguese because they take every opportunity to practise their English. The wine - cheaper and better than most European countries I know - Spain, Italy, France, Germany. The food: simple, healthy - fish, fish, fish,...
If you are eating primarly fish dishes in Portugal you are missing out. Yes, we have good seasfood stuff....but we have just as many or more dishes with meat in them. I favour meat and I love our meat dishes. One thing I'll say is, there are so many regional dishes in Portugal, if I were to try and get someone from outside to show them what we've got...while they were staying in any ONE place...it'd be tricky.
Anyway, I'm just chiming in, because if there is one thing I feel the world could know more about us is precisely the food.
so u love meat eh?@@jeanlundi2141
As a Portuguese person born and raised in Madeira Island, I super agree with the "they take any chance to practice their English". Well Said
Fish gets old quickly for me !
Portuguese bureaucracy is improving? I am glad to hear that. How do you rate the health care system?
Greetings from beautiful and sunny Estoril today...originally from Texas...Been a legal resident and supporter of the economy of Portugal since 2016...Traveled all over this beautiful country and met folks from all walks of life...Been blessed to live and work in 42 different countries around the world...All with pro's and cons...One thing I have never done is blame other's for my own countries problems.. No matter where you go on this planet, things will not be perfect...Never expect another place to do thing's like you are used to no matter where you come from...Do you have realistic expectations on the country you are living in or are you running away from something? If one is not secure in themselves, it matters not where you move any where on this planet...Are you moving for the right reasons...Are you an asset to place you are moving and I'm not just talking financially...Have you studied the countries history, customs and language...My Portuguese is mixto...Most folks understand me, however I'm not forcing anyone to speak my native tongue either, which is Cowboy...From Bragança to Tavira, Marvão to Ponta Delgada and everywhere in-between I have taken the roads less traveled and for me the reward has been Blessed and Rich...Portugal for me is bênçãos e energia positiva...🇵🇹😉👌🤠
Legal Texano. I live in Texas- Galveston city. Planing to living in my father country. I’m between Peniche and Algarve. Hard to decide ! See you there alligator !
@@ninarosaphotography2039 I grew up in Baytown...Spent many summer's in good ole Galveston...from East Beach to Jamaica Beach, The Strand...etc. Bom dia from Estoril! 🇵🇹😉👌👏🤠
@@dickielarue1451 A família da esposa do meu filho mora em Baytown.
Galveston mudou muito, está cada vez mais lindo. Caminho na praia todos os dias com a minha pastora alemã. A praia é um elixir na nossas vidas. Me fala de Estoril, como é a cidade. Estou procurando por um lugar layback e que eu possa caminhar na praia sem precisar de carro. Claro que seguro. Tenha um ótimo e agradável dia. De Galveston nos despertando a cada dia com o brilhar ensolarado ao cântico dos pássaros .
@@ninarosaphotography2039 Portugal tem tudo num pacote pequeno...Praias, lagos, ilhas e montanhas...Claro que a comida é fantástica...Aqui não preciso de carro...Os transportes públicos levam-me onde quero vá...As minhas praias favoritas aqui são no Alentejo...mais natureza e menos comercial...sinto-me abençoada por viver aqui...🤠
@@UncleHoax A lot folks here in Portugal are being creative on the making money front...Don't have to be a millionaire to live here...I'm sure as heck not...From Digital Nomads, You-tubers, Skills-Trade, Pensions and Retirements and etc...Before living in Portugal...I lived in Mexico...Same there...Much easier to hop back and forth across the border to the States...It's certaintly doable, just got to be creative with it and have the right kind of expectations...Best move I've ever made...Boa Noite! 😉🇵🇹✌️🤘
Seems like an accurate portrayal- and also true for other southern European countries. But you never really explained why most Americans leave…
American are not happy in EU😠
@@vkham9944 I like being poor in EU. I hate the US
@@vkham9944 Americans' are not happy in the US, very different from what it used to be.
im Portuguese, i like America and americans, just like other europeans, just keep in mind we never advertised the "Portuguese dream" because it doesn't exist.
Ok, we don't hate Americans coming here. Obviously the government made a mistake when it didn't protect the real estate market against abuse, and this demand and interest in 🇵🇹 is negatively affecting the life of average Portuguese. The incredible rent hikes is just not because of Americans coming here, but the greed of many landlords (including many Portuguese) that have no conscience. As for "many Americans" leaving Portugal 🇵🇹 I don't think that is that accurate. Many leave, just like many Brazilians, British, etc leave after a while. There are many reasons, and some you mentioned, but I would say the main reason, is that they expect Portugal to be California! It isn't, things here are different. There are no deli's in Portugal, services here are slow (there are reasons outside of slow living) and Americans are used to speedy service, efficiency, not here most of the time. So, it's all about the attitude and expectations, which are not always in line with local culture.
Graças a Deus que Portugal não é como a Califórnia...
@@Rodrigues-xg3ln não é, mas há similaridades pois conheço bem a Califórnia. Felizmente não temos os problemas sociais e de saúde que se vê em certas cidades da Califórnia; tipo São Francisco, Oakland, etc.
@@Alfablue227 descontrolo populacional propositado são políticas perigosas
@@Rodrigues-xg3ln Descontrolo? Acho extremo, afinal não são tantos assim a vir pra Portugal. Os retornados foram + de 1 milhão, e precisavam quase todos de emprego ou estudos. Portugal aguentou, e o que há cá agora não chega a isso, mais ainda, os q vêm pra cá, nem emprego precisam pois ou são nómadas digitais ou reformados. De momento, não vejo motivo para alarme, mas sim preocupação com a governação que temos e as já suas incompetências. Independentemento do partido político, são todos uma cambada de tolos! 🙄
@@Alfablue227 engraçado termo "tolos", você é simpática.
E em Portugal nao foram 1 milhão, foram 2 milhões de refugiados expulsos de africa por terem cor da pele branca.
We don't hate Americans. There's no hate here towards any nationality and many people actually love to interact with folks from other countries. As Americans, just don't expect us to smile as readily as you do, at first sight - that's a very New World thing (Brazilians are like that too) that's, in general, absent in Europe. We'll be (in broad terms) polite but, out of consideration and respect, we will not disturb you by initiating conversation. We'll respect your personal bubble. But if you do initiate conversation, well, we'll open up and start to speak loudly (either in Portuguese, English or both! )
Ahh to bad I live in south ga. we find a reason to smile every morning and if I see someone sad, I'm gonna try and brighten their day.
Even within Europe, we're quite approachable and smile a lot compared with Swedes, for example.
@@pedrob3953 Compared to Swedes? This is not saying much, eh? ; )
How about comparing with a central/southern Spanish environment? Perhaps this is not an easy comparison to make?
@@eugeniebreida1583 We are the most hospitable in my experience. But we are also "grumpy" in our own way. So you can be both warm and open.....but still not come across as overly friendly. Portuguese are very direct. We are less extroverted on average than the Spanish or Italian .We are melancholic.
Funny how as a Brit I was subject to xenophobic abuse as a kid
Hi Dave, a real pleasure to meet you in person, albeit briefly. I live in Portugal and can attest that your observations are spot on.
Informative video on Portugal.. enjoyed the way you presented it!
Thank you for another amazing video. As a Portuguese citizen who recently came back after 7 years abroad, I can relate to some of the struggles and culture shocks that you mentioned here, particularly the bureaucracy and tax part of it (also the graffiti), which were not as much an issue where I was living. But just like you, I'd much rather be here than wasting my life working like a dog in a country with a horrible and toxic hustle culture, where I was before.
And where were you living before, if I may ask? Just for contrast purposes 😉
@@shanon72327 I gather USA.
@@klimtkahlo prob New York.
Im Mexican American who grew up in the United States. I recently traveled to your country and fell in love with the energy, the warmth and the culture..even with the graffiti, it is nowhere near as bad as my city plus we have soo much crime, bad race relations, expensive healthcare, I can go on...I would take Portugal's cons anyday and my goal now is to be able to retire in Portugal!
Im mexican american too but I didnt live in america all my life. I like spain and I lived there for many years
Appreciate you candour...and your channel
There are plenty of small towns in the US where the pace of life is a lot slower, so it's not all the fast-paced city life.
I am American born Portuguese and retired from San Jose and moved to Portugal. This guy is full of opinion . I can do the same thing- so take his comments about how Portuguese feel about Americans as opinion . I am fully bilingual and I find people here not to really care if you’re American or whatever as long as you’re not an a’hole. Live and let live is the attitude I think .
As a portuguese i need to say this relating to the climate.
Summers in Portugal are NOT tame at all. Yeah, they can be a bit chiller if you live by the coast, but central Portugal gets hot.. Like real HOT. 45Cs in not uncommon at all during the summer months.
Yeah, Algarve (The southern region) is super sunny and more tame (perfect weather to be honest, Winters there dont feel like Winters).
However you mentioned Madeira and the Madeira main Island on itself has 6 micro climates. Its crazy. It rains and it has no clouds sun in a day.
Summers can be absolute scorchers here! Tourists from colder countries passing out from heat stroke/dehydration isn't too uncommon a sight in Summer, especially in particularly dry years.
@@ArabianShark Oh yeah. Seen it way to many times.
It only gets 45C for a couple of days in Portugal. In the US, you get those temperatures in Texas, Arizona, California for months! And lately it's getting to 50C.
I doubt it gets to 113F in Portugal in the summer. That's ridiculous.
@@krystynaliebowitz6554 Lmao. We just got 46.6c the other day. (115.88F)
I don't think we're as far north as Maine. I think Lisbon is at the same latitude as Philadelphia and Porto at the same latitude as NYC. Still, it doesn't get nearly as cold as those places in the Winter, because we "benefit" from the gulf stream. As for lunch, we do have one hour for lunch on week days, and we are a lot more frugal for dinner, because it's not convenient to have a heavy meal at night.
@@DaveinPortugal I think its a bit further south. Portugal latitude wise ranges from southern NJ to Rhode Island.
I have one hour lunch here in the States.I eat light by choice.Dinner is family time you sit and eat a home cooked meal
@@tonynunes4965 I stand corrected. NYC is roughly at the same latitude as the Aveiro area. When was the last time the city shoveled snow from the streets of Aveiro after a snowstorm? I agree the climate is similar to the central part of California. Tending towards semi-arid/Mediterranean in the Algarve similar to, say, Santa Barbara and with the north of Portugal having a climate similar to the wine producing region located north of San Francisco.
@@psource2305 Faro is 37 degrees North which is equivalent of Virginia/NC border but as it has a maritime climate with Mediterranean influences rather than continental climate it’s much warmer in winter and summers are slightly cooler but very sunny and very dry. All in all a healthy delightful climate.
I’m Portuguese living in Long Island,New York.Just want to say love your videos.They are very accurate
Dave you tell it like it is, nothing but the truth is what people need, love your site. keep going my friend.
First video actual reality, thanks for sharing. 👍🙏🇬🇧
I lived in Marbella, Spain for a year. I LOVE the slower pace! In Reno, I get 30 minutes for lunch, which is quite the departure from the 2-3 hour lunches I enjoyed in Marbella!
Very informative video. I hope to learn more from Dave.
Great overview. I lived outside Estoril in the early '80s. The weather, especially in winter, is exactly as you mentioned. If I could move back to Portugal, the coastal north areas, Nazare' and north to the Spanish border, far surpass the Algarve in my opinion. Completely agree about learning Portuguese....even if not spoken well, Portuguese appreciate your attempts to speak their language.
My husband who is Portuguese and i just came back from holidaying there last week. I fell in love with the country and I agree the North surpasses the south.
I loved living in Portugal. I am learning Portuguese and I am hoping that I can at least snow bird there. I was there over the winter, it was nice and it's true that homes don't even have heating. But the winter wasn't so bad compared to New England. I loved the cultural sensibilities.
Make shore is Portugal portuguese not brasilian portuguese.
Eu cresci numa casa sem aquecimento e o único aquecimento era um fogão a lenha e os invernos no passado eram mais frios e acho que eu e os meus irmãos nunca nos queixamos, agora nunca estão contentes com nada
@@saragomes6242 Cresci a aquecer-me com aquecederes a óleo e lareira, mas, de há pouco mais de um ano para cá, finalmente tenho aquecimento central. É mais confortável, mas, tirando isso, não é coisa que me importe particularmente.
Snowboarding in Portugal? Surely you're thinking of coming to Serra da Estrela, not far from where I live!
It is great that you are learning. Há quanto tempo está a aprender?
A lot of these issues are the same in many places in Europe. You need to learn a language if you are really going to try and integrate with the culture; you won't have your favourite brands/ foods/ TV to hand; bureaucracy can be intimidating, especially dealing with "Foreigners Police" for visa issues, and registering for healthcare and taxes; taxes are often much higher; the climate may be different to at home, and the building regulations may allow for poorer insulation than you are used to ( a problem in both summer and winter ); landlords may have a different approach than you are used to; the education system may not meet your expectations, and expat schools can be expensive; you may be prohibited from doing a "side hussle" due to your visa conditions ( eg where I live you get a visa for your profession. If you do something that is not your profession, that is illegal ); and if you move on your own, it can be lonely. People don't mention this enough. Yes, it is easier to join some expat community group for socialising. From my experience, most people end up socialising with people from their own country. For guys, sports is the focus. So if you're not into sports, you'll have to fake it. It can be quite superficial, but then guys just need 4-5 other guys to do things with. The guys are interchangeable. So it can be difficult to really bond for friendship. For girls, as we know, they bond much easier with one another. But that still leaves you either in a general expat bubble, or hanging around with compatriots from your home country. Either way, you're not integrating so much with the country and people. If you date a local, be prepared for language barrier potentially with their parents/ siblings, and culture clashes.
My experience in Costa Rica. VERY lonely... My U.S. friends had obligations and couldn't join me. I lived there for 8 months. The food had cheap prices and was INCREDIBLY delicious and healthy. The rent was low, and my apartment was absolutely beautiful. ($650 a month US dollars!!😮)The people were politely cold. You gotta go with a significant other, or you will feel the chill. 🥶 They're a VERY close-knit family oriented country. I was too stupid to realize that. Plus being a very outgoing person I really suffered socially. 😢I'd seriously like to return with a hot boyfriend and go ziplining through the jungle! 😂
@@nichellepeters5195 'with a hot boyfriend" ... ... I can be there in 12 hours Michelle :) ha ha
Great video and good analysis of the differnces.
Nice video! Thanks for doing it! 😊
At my job i deal with lots of imigrants and English speakers tend to be the ones not to learn the language. If you move here to stay or to stay for a long time, learn the language. I've interacted with people living here 5 to 10 years already and they dont know the language beyond "bom dia" and "obrigado".
It's a tough language to learn. More so if you know some Spanish already.
@@LabRat6619 Maybe, but it's really disrespectful to live in another country for years and not even bothering to learn the language, not even basic communication!
@15 Minute Prisons English speakers expect people to know their language and be fluent at it. English is as difficult as any other language to learn.
I don't think it has to do with English speakers not wanting to learn or willing to learn the language. It has to do with age. It is generally much harder for adults to learn another language, compared to children or young adults, specially if they emigrate to a new country where the language is different than their mother tongue. I see it a lot in the US. Latinos who moved to the US as an adult, unable to speak English beyond Hello. The same goes with a lot of Asians, especially the ones from China. If an adult Portuguese (way beyond college years) who doesn't speak English, were to move to an English-speaking country, this person will have a very difficult time learning English, guaranteed.
Agree
A Portuguese dude from Lisbon here. A few relevant things that are missing: 1 - SAFETY - Portugal is well within the top 10 most safe countries in the world. 2 - HEALTH CARE SYSTEM - You will not be placed in a hotel room, but you will treated in accordance with best practices. HIGHWAYS - you can go to almost anywhere in the country using highways. WEATHER - in the South (Lisbon and beyond) it rains much less and it makes much less cold
In the Winter than what you are saying. Finally, I don’t see people
Leaving Portugal; quite the opposite: I see many people wanting to come to Portugal.
Yes but Portugal cant accept the world because then you get the problem we currently have in Canada, taking in too many people without develloping the infrastructure to support it. We have a housing crisis in most major cities, hospital overcrowdings, school classrooms that are overwhelming for teachers, etc... Be wise Portugal.
dude, o vídeo é sobre os MOTIVOS porque as pessoas SAEM de Portugal, não as razões porque FICAM
We have much larger highways in the USA. Why don’t you talk about how racist Portuguese people are towards black people how racial discriminating with immigrants from third world countries you all really are!
1. Safety 2.healthcare 3.higways 4.food 😋 5.weather 6.polite people 7.history n culture 8.Growing economy 9.beaches 10. English and better immigration policy ❤❤😊who don't want to come Portugal 🆗
Thank you for the video, Dave. I love seeing both sides of the coin.
The abandoned building problem is frequently caused by the inheritance laws. Upon the death of a person the estate is divided up equally among living relatives or their offspring. This can lead to a property being owned by dozens of individuals, many of whom are difficult to trace.
@@lindaj71 Mostly not, but no matter the law defines to whom the property goes. Generation by generation divided down into smaller portions
I've enjoyed your perspectives on life in portugal greatly. My wife and I are spending a month in portugal this summer, doing some touristy things, of course, but also scouting out the country a bit. We live in coastal Washington State on the a Olympic Peninsula, so cold and rainy winters are already the norm for us. This will be our first time in Europe, so very exciting. TH-cam has been an extraordinary resource to learn a bit of Portuguese language, (which I don't seem to be able to absorb as quickly as when I was much younger, but better a little than none).
Thanks for your insights & shared experiences.
Don´t come.
Porto is at the same latitude as NY, not Maine. This winter in Porto had about 6 weeks of solid rain followed by playing beachfront streetball in a t shirt at Castelo do Queijo in January while people in NY were shovelling snow.
Winter was never cold enough to interfere with bilingual tennis lessons in an unheated bubble.
Excellent vocal quality. The swan blow up in the pool was perfection. I can imagine the winters are cold in those houses. February in Barcelona, cement walls, brrrrr. I arrived from northern Minnesota and enjoyed the outdoor temps, but the indoor cold was an experience. Butane tank heaters were crucial.
I could do it. Survived in a trailer all winter and it never got past 40f with a space heater on cold days. They're was also ice coming up the walls.. had to chisel my way out once.
Once I got used to it, I didn't bundle up and 40s seemed warm to me.
Thanks for posting this.
Hey Dave, It was great to meet you in person! How was the healthy cafe? 😉 I did find a great place that has happy hour tocos for 1 Euro! (Gringo) recommend the flutas. Anyways love your videos and understanding of of Portuguese culture. I have been here for almost 2 years and love it! #mexicanamerican #forÇa!
Was a pleasure to meet you and your beautiful family while passing through Jon!
Sure hoping you have some Solid data to present covering the last 3-5 years. My experience is that many people say things on TH-cam. Thanks Dave
I cannot any data on returning US citizens. SEF do not publish this data and there is no information from SEF on 2022 at all - probably due to the re-organisation in progress. Starting to look like clickbait.
One of the main reasons I love Portugal and my birth country Turkey, is the sense of community. You feel a post of something bigger. Here in Australia it is very different .
This video as 10% usefull info and 90% vision off rich english speaking foreigner of what portugal really is.
This is probably one of the most brutally honest and real videos an American on TH-cam has made about Portugal. Thank you Dave
It also looked like he was reading off a teleprompter at times
@@specialroast5411 And? It's not a movie.
Well you know very litle about Portugal...
@@carlosfigueira5076 I know how to spell little
@@specialroast5411 It's typical for anyone who makes a video to script it. 🤦🏽♂️
i retired to Madeira and love it here. I am buying an apartment and don't plan on moving back to the US anytime soon.
Hey Dave, love the t-shirt. Shout-out from someone who lives with Yosemite nearly in the backyard. 😊
Thanks for this information
6:40 American passport renewal: 10 weeks. Portugal: same day, 1 week at most. California drivers license expiration: 10 years. Portugal: when you die. American citizenship process: insulting and minimum a decade if you're lucky enough to be from Europe. Portugal: demonstrate a genuine interest in becoming Portuguese and then welcome brother
Muito interessante a sua visão de Portugal! Continue postando mais vídeos, parabéns!
Thank you so much ! I almost had this weird idea of going there !
Dinner at 9 pm is mostly a "city thing" :) - in rural areas is at 6 pm but mostly at 7pm. Or at least in northern Portugal/center Portugal. I come from a rural family in the north, and notice quite some differences (although born and raised in Lisbon, of course I have lots of cultural habits from rural north, still). And one of the contrasts is in dinner time (and lunch time), as my Lisbon friends do tend to have lunch later, and dinner (them: 13h/14h lunch + 20h/21h dinner; me and my family at 12h lunch + 19h dinner).
Good honest portrait. If I may contribute, there is a huge gap depending on which "part" of the US you are coming from. Not states/regions, but mostly metropolitan areas or small town/suburbs. If you come from metro-USA then the culture shock is huge! Even if you live in Lisbon. The speed/energy level/activity level is very different. Not necessarily a bad thing... but almost all the status or motivation/reward system is different. The array and quality of goods and services available is much much less. Tex-mex is just a small token of it. Not that there is no high quality on offer, but it is different and a bit limited. Now, if you come from small-town-America, you will feel less of a shock. You are probably used to a less diversified market offer and you are likely to appreciate the better quality of basic things such as infrastructure, food quality, etc.
I don't know if this was mentioned before, but it is also considered pollite and wise to learn European Portuguese instead of Brazilian Portuguese. This will show that you know the difference and people will appreciate it. Thank you so much for your sensible opinion.
and never Spanish!!
this is foolish. As long as you are able to communicate effectively people do not care about the accent. This is like discriminating american english vs british english. If you are a foreigner and you learn the local language that is fair enough and well received.
The Portuguese people are using Braziluan expressions like vo achar i am an American speak 7 languages and have been going to Portugal very often that is why i know but as longvas people understand one another andcrespect each other that is the most important
@@manzo6335 did you read my comment to the end or are you just in a foul mood today? I said GIVEN THE CHOICE, maybe learn European Portuguese if you want to live in Portugal. I am a language teacher, I have studied in Brazil, I do know what I'm talking about. Do you?
How stupid is that
Interesting points you raise here! Portugal will still be forever my favourite place
Great video and, might I add, some cool bass guitars there!
Inadequately heated houses were a common occurrence all over Mediterranean, only changing in the last two or three decades. Heck, even our hotels often lacked heating.
And AC....even hotels in all the Mediterranean.
@@genzod7940 Only old, small ones, in my experience.
"all over the Mediterranean" yes, but contrary to most Mediterranean countries, Portugal's coast is all Atlantic. No one in southern and eastern Spain, Italy or Greece knows how cold a summer night can be in Portugal. Not to mention the winter..
@@ubuntufan2139 Fair enough, but when _bora_ starts blowing in Croatia, you s**t icecubes.
Who needs heating in the Mediterranean?? Do to have winters that drop below freezing 32F/0C and even lower than that?? Hell, I think that 45F/7.2C is cold but survivable. Especially warmer. The body gets used to it. I spent the fall and winter in a tent then a trailor and in the winter it fell below 0F/-17C for days on end with only a space heater. It never got above 45 when it got that cold, and only to the 60sF/18C on average cold days. If I didn't have that space heater, I would not be here writing this. Yet you think you got it bad???
More and more seem to be moving to the Algarve. These are people that want to integrate with community spirit and live in rural areas. I gave a class where 50% of my students were American. They also understand the processes here are different so they grin and bear it. If you have a good attitude and stay positive it helps - a lot - in state government offices.
Learning Portuguese is a must!
In São Brás alone we have so many restaurants you will not believe. Chinese, indian, kebabs, sushi, traditional restaurants too.
If ever you come here, I will show you around.
That sounds amazing...I don't know why people would live somewhere and not contribute and engage with where they live....
Foreigner's can no longer buy by the coast anymore, Central Portugal is only possible now
My sister (lives in the USA) worked with several Portuguese women many years ago. She loved them and they loved her. She always talked so fondly of them and they were always bringing her Portuguese bread! Wish I had gotten to know them as well.
Thanks I enjoy it, also I learn a lot.
Regarding taxes - DON'T say that the rate is 48% for those who earn more than 80,000 euros a year! This amount is paid ABOVE 80,000, that is, if you earn 85,000 you pay 48% on 5,000 (the difference between 85,000 and 80,000). Tax rates are applied by intervals. Ask your accountant to explain this to you, so you don't continue to give wrong information! Other than that, I like your channel
@@ingbor4768 Eu já pago 38% (IRS + SS) e não ganho nem perto de metade disso, e é sobre o total dos rendimentos brutos
Não entendo ao certo o que Maria quer dizer, ninguém é taxado em IRS sobre um valor arbitrário que ultrapassa 80,000 euros, somos taxados de acordo com o bolo total bruto que recebemos mensalmente, alguém que ganhe 85,000 euros anuais (6071 mensais em 14 meses) por exemplo ultrapassaria o escalão de 6052 euros e seria taxado a 35,8% em IRS de acordo com a tabela em vigor.
Esses 35,8% seriam acrescidos ao valor da Segurança Social (11% para trabalhadores por conta de outrem no privado) e a taxa combinada de ambos (46,8%) seria retirada do valor bruto que a pessoa recebeu, não haveria uma taxa dupla onde 6052 euros são taxados com uma taxa e os restantes 19 euros com outra, isso nem faria sentido, verifiquei até no meu recibo de vencimento e tá calculado assim, a soma de SS + IRS é retirada ao vencimento bruto
A não ser que ela se esteja a referir a algum estratagema de divisão de lucros para esconder parte do vencimento real e assim ser taxado com o escalão inferior, se for o caso gostava de saber como isso funciona lol
@@dasrite America HAD a wonderful thing: "taxation without representation is theft." Thus their Founders said.
Nice work ...I am Portuguese born and raised for over 53 years
Very informative video. Entertaining
I am Portuguese (dual nationality through my parents) but American born and raised. Americans are coming in droves…check more current statistics…wish it would actually slow down. I know Americans who have lived here for years. Portugal is the number one country in Europe where Americans are moving. Perhaps the ones who are leaving are the ones who won’t adjust, learn the language, respect the culture or expect us to be like the U.S. (thank God we are different in many ways). Portuguese don’t care if you are famous, a celebrity, etc. We see many on the streets of Lisbon and no one reacts. So, no one is going to cater to Americans coming here…it is a different world and adjustment is needed.
As a Portuguese-American I can attest that this video is incredibly accurate. I noticed the drone shot of my beloved Lagoa de Obidos & Foz do Arelho beach that is just minutes from my father's village. Your thoughts on the climate are accurate and I did spend some time in my grandmother's house as a kid during a Portuguese winter and yes the humidity inside the house and the moisture on the tiles is something I remember well. But comparing it to winters here in New England its a piece of cake lol. Overall great videos!! Keep them coming they are quenching my "saudades"
As a Portuguese-Brazilian-American I 100% agree with you! Hello from San Diego, California :)
@@marinarios9758 I've been to San Diego many times. Is the weather similar to SD along the Portuguese coast? Thank you!
@@jackbaldwin3649 I would say it is almost the same weather. I alway hear people saying that up north, in the Porto area is colder than Lisbon. I was in Porto last September and the weather was as same as the weather in Lisbon. You should visit the country, you will enjoy I'm sure:)
@@marinarios9758 Thank you! I can't wait to visit!
I grew up in Montreal Canada. Winter in Portugal is not winter. I went to the Azores for Christmas one year and horrified my family by expressing my wish to go walking on the beach. They told me I shouldnt, its "winter". Theres no snow. You can get by wearing a sweater, no jacket. At its worst, the weather is like a cool autumn day.
Long gloomy winters in Portugal? Try England. We travelled from England to spend Christmas in Portugal some years ago and revelled in the warm sunny weather. Okay, it wouldn't have seemed warm to Californians, but it was fine for us. The temperature was around 16-17 C during the best part of the day, the sun shone, and flowers were coming up through the grass. It was windy on a couple of days.
I've been to portugal many times. I'm from the UK. I like the slower pace but I'm not sure I'd like it if I lived there. It's certainly nice to get a change of pace for a couple of weeks for sure.
What is it personnally that doesn't fully appeal to you ? Thanks.
Hey buddy I’m seriously exploring relocating to Algarve. This was a great video, delighted to follow and found your channel. If I relocate, you’ve got an all expenses paid week to show me the ropes!
Although the numbers of Americans immigrating are not significant on a national scale in Portugal, they are now very noticeable in some specific towns, e.g some places on the Algarve.
You haven't spent much time in the Algarve if you see it as cloudy in the winter. Like Califórnia it has periods of rain in winter and spring, and it is cold in the winter, but not below freezing on the Algarve coast. And daytimes are usually sunny. The other downside of being in Portugal is a relative lack of access to activities and serious culture, especially if you come from a big city.
I'm a Brit who recently moved back to England after 9 years in Lisbon. Life there on a 800-900 euro Portuguese wage is impossible. There are a few things I really miss, but not the stress of running out of money two weeks before the next pacheck which is the most important.
Lisbon is starting to not feel like a real city, for example where normal people can make a living, portuguese disneyland, 'the new barcelona' and personaly i do find the nomads/anyone not paying taxes there annoying.
Why did you decide against living elsewhere outside of Lisbon ? Isn't the UK much more expensive ?
Funny thing is, now that as a Brit you know how the Portuguese feel you probably will understand why it’s rude to ask Portuguese people “Why are you not living in your country? It’s so sunny there!”. We get asked this on a daily basis when working abroad and it feels stupid to tell people that I prefer the no stress of being able to pay bills and those cannot be paid with sunny weather only… best of luck back in England.
The locals complain about foreigners not paying taxes everywhere. Frankly this is usually BS; traveller's pay VAT which in Europe runs around 20% on every good and service. Foreigners also pay short term accommodation taxes which can be quite high. In terms of Americans, they pay taxes on worldwide income as a USA person; there is no expat taxation status. Hence, Americans usually pay double taxation by working outside the USA as accommodation and VAT taxes are not offset usually.
@@chrisnamaste3572 Americans living and working overseas only pay US taxes when their wages exceed 125,000 USD. I know this from experience.
@valerieroche No, you are wrong. Are Americans overseas exempt from unearned income tax? Are Americans overseas exempt from USA property taxes? What is the marginal rate the first dollar starts at over the 125k EARNED income tax exclusion IF you qualify?
Thank you for this! We are visiting in October to town hunt
Your comments are well balanced, and usually bring some new information, even for a local.
Seus videos são muito bons e sempre falam a verdade. Um grande abraço aqui do Porto e parabéns pelo trabalho!
Obrigado Thiago 🙏🏻
@@DaveinPortugal Abraço 💪
I am not American but South African and will be apply to move to Portugal within the next year. Thank you for this video.
Portugal is much safer than South Africa, Jews.😂
I love your videos. I'm curious to know what your social life is like.
Can't wait for your caretos video!
I was there and even got my residency card. I gave it a real shot. It just didn’t feel like home. I moved to Spain instead. It’s home now.
Americans are the MINORITY among ALL expats in Portugal. Less than 6 thousand people 😆 Even tough you guys find a way to lie to yourselves to think you somehow matter. Pathetic
residency card , howd u get that? yes spain is nice, I over stayed for 5 years and then left, then went back and they let me in even tho I had a 5 year ban LOL They dont care in Spain, Love it. and Im gonna re-enter again later. its very relaxed there in spain. theyre not a police state like the USA . Americans think the whole world agrees with " law and order"
Your channel is the best. I am Brazilian, living in USA about 23 years. Can’t wait to get out of here and moving to a Portugal. No $$ there but life quality I will have for sure. Thank you for all tips
Os seus compatriotas são ao contrário de si, só vêm para Portugal, porque não conseguem o visto para os EUA
I am in the same boat, my friend...Portugal is looking better by the minute!
Me too! I am brazilian, living in California for the last 30 years! I am getting ready to retire hopefully very soon. I am purchasing my little farm in Portugal, can't wait to move to portugal, I lived there for 3 years when as was a child and only have great memories every time I go back . :)
Why not back to Brazil
Yaaaa Brazil é bem melhor.
Very cool video Dave!
I haven't been to Portugal yet, but my concern is out hilly it is. I have trouble walking, so I need a flat environment.
As a Portuguese thank you for the videos about my country ❤️ I’m living in Italy and I can not wait to go back home for good! I love Italy too (very similar to us). However, there’s something about the variety of food, the safety, the peace, the food! AND the people !!
Also about the Winter, like i said i live in Central Portugal, we barely get clouds here. It does get cold but it barely rains, its mostly sunshine year round. Portugal is a small country but has a very diverse climate so it all depends on where you live
What area in Central P are you ? I read recently that 75 % of Spain is now desertic (fires) and I'm concerned about Central Portugal since it's near. The fact you say it rarely rains is not that reassuring. Am I missing something ? Thanks.
@@MarinaLaroche You are not missing anything. Portugal schorching hot Summers make it extremely dangerous during Summer time. Wild fires are a massive danger here
@@MarinaLaroche Santarem District
@@CusterPlays Would you say the western part of Santarem is also or likely will be dangerous with fires ? I'm thinking long-term.
@@MarinaLaroche It all depends where you live. If you live in a city, its fine. If you live in the middle of nowhere and the forests arent cleaned it might become a problem.
My husband I mover almost two years ago with our two kids (third was born here) and I can say it’s been an adjustment but we love it. My 5 and 3 year old are quickly learning Portuguese in their school. Put them in a Portuguese school and they are doing so well making friends and learning. I was in the hospital for a month when our third was born. He needed a NICU stay. He was born in a public hospital and they took amazing care of him. Being in the hospital I got to watch a lot of Portuguese tv thanks to my roommate. Some of the tv shows reminds me of telenovela‘s. All that being said I love living here and how family oriented it is here in Porto. For us it’s been a good move and integrating into a Portuguese neighborhood has made it easier for us. Learning Portuguese is still hard for me but I’ve seen how patient some of the people can be when they see me trying.
So interesting. My mothers family are from madera portugal. I would love to go to portugal to visit. Ive seen pictures and videos it looks gorgoeus. Thank you for sharing this info
Hello Dave! I stumbled upon your video and watched it until the end. I'm Portuguese, I was born in Lisbon, and I live in the center. It looks like we can't can't trust newspapers ! Very few Americans come across me. The country has a lot of Brits, a lot, but not American citizens. Yes, it is true that there is not much sympathy for Americans, or rather for American culture, but this is the case throughout Europe, not just here. Nevertheless, each person will probably be welcomed as an individual. I don't know what your experience is, but the North is more welcoming. If this is an example of your videos, I can only recommend it because everything you said is true. People should always be aware that each country has its own culture and its own problems and that a lot will depend on the adaptability skills and profile of those who arrive. Also, the experience of living here can be completely different in the north or in the south, in Lisbon or Castelo Branco, despite Portugal being a small country.
EXACTLY 100% correct, entitled yuppies from the US are mostly NOT WANTED anywhere, including IN their country
The only thing worse is an arrogant ENTITLED drunk BRIT
In a way, Americans are only for themselves to blame for having a bad reputation in Europe (and parts of Asia), although of course each individual will be accepted as long as they want to adapt.
There are plenty of Brits, Germans and Scandinavians (like myself) in Portugal - especially in Algarve and Greater Lisboa (Estoril 🥰).
America has many cultures what you mean by the American culture? I'm from the deep south our culture and food are different from the rest of the country. You need to travel more.
I traveled for the first time there and was mostly in Lisboa last November. Everyone who we met was polite and didn't treat me any different once they found out I was from the USA. I was traveling with a friend who originally was from Africa and has done a lot of traveling. The one thing we are asked in the three countries I traveled with him is " What's going on over there?" (meaning.... USA). The USA is very multicultural just like Europe. USA definitely has its problems. There is entitlement everywhere in the world. Most people who do travel to Europe from the USA come with open minds and heart. We travel to learn history and experience culture, with the bonus of making friends. I will return again someday to experience the summer months.
@@maureencopeland5300 most Europeans see Americans as fast paced and somewhat egocentric and self absorbed.
Do NOT SLAM any door anywhere, car, house, etc. Or even close a door in a hurry. They hate that.
Nice video which I must admit came as a surprise. I'm from the UK looking to retire in the centre of Portugal and check out a range of english spoken Portugese videos. It's nice to see a video put together by a non European who's lived in Portugal a while.
Where is the link to the language course?
youre talking about mex food isnt as good as it is in NY...but who wants to eat mex when the portuguese cuisine is so great and vast? humidity...stone walls?were have youlived?in a cavern? portuguese people are used to cosmopolity..and dont have any issue with someone for beeing american or chinese...its a very different Country from the States...thats all😉
PORTUGAL ❤LOVE ❤ AMERICANS 🇺🇲& 🇨🇦!
YOU ARE WELCOME 🌞🇵🇹 !
Great vídeo Dave!! You are do caralho! 💪
Perfect comentary. I visited Portugal in 1967 and fell in love with this country.
I grew up in southern California and it wasn't unusual to be trapped under the marine layer for days on end. "June gloom" can exist for weeks. If I wanted to experience sunshine, I'd have to drive inland for it 😉.
Americans and everyone are welcome here and you are not driving up prices of housing. This problem is way more complicated (by policy) than having americans and foreigners as scape goats
Amazing video! Now, is that bass in the background decorative only? On that note, a video suggestion for you: the Cavaquinho is a Portuguese invention but became ‘widely known’ as the primary harmony instrument in Brazilian Samba/Pagode. Check it out!
My friend you are living my dream. I lived in Portugal when I was a kid and I have alway wanted to go back . I appreciate your videos . Thank you.
Didn't know your comedian side 😂🍷🍷