My guess is A) Sony… B) Stam. I slightly prefer A but only because I have to choose one for the sake of the blind test. Both sound great and with compression and slight EQ / De-essing you should have no problem achieving the exact same sound with either mic. Extremely slight leveling and sibilance differences are the only things I’m hearing. Excited to receive this and this is clearly the best 800 replica on the market. Just make sure mine sounds just like this one 😀 Well done Josh and team.
@@manykzdj792 Stam is going to take forever to get if you order it just so you know. The GA-8000 has also been discontinued for the time being. If you want a C800G sounding mic, the AA CM800T is an excellent choice and it won't break the bank. If you want a mic that LOOKS like the C800G, then your choices are limited to the Stam, a used GA-8000, or an actual Sony.
@pavmx703 thanks for reply, I already have warm audio wa8000, so aa cm800t is not going to make difference I guess, only used Stam Audio Sa800g or golden age ga8000....I'm a right?
I have never tried a Sony but I got my Stam SA-800G two days ago and MAN I love it! Have recorded 2 different artist since then and both of them sounded sooo great with very little done either pre or post. They also felt so comfortable hearing their voice thru the SA-800G in the headphones while recording that it made them sing better then ever! I'm keeping it! =)
My guess is: Mic A=Sony C-800G Mic B=Stam SA-800G I feel a bit faster transients on Mic B. This must be caused by the age of transformer. Of course, both mic absolutely sounds fantastic!
I can tell you there are some very good ears amongst this group - it’s hard not to say which is which - C’mon Josh fess up- I ordered one -the mic arrived last night and its beautiful- not sure how long Josh is going to do this but - it’s a pretty unique opportunity to have a guy like this - committed to sonics the same way B Averill was when he started - when these things pop up - grab em - there’s a reason why there aren’t a ton of them floating around to buy - they are expensive and time consuming- some parts are really difficult to track down - and this stuff is all handmade-
Mic A = SA800G Mic B = Sony C800G Sony is just a solid microphone. Mic B all day. Listening through my Yamaha HS8 monitor speakers & Focusrite Clarett 2Pre usb interface.
The audible differences arent worth debating...this is super close...lets consider the the 8k to 9k price differnce....I dont hear that much of a diffrence that constitues spending that extra 8k plus. GREAT job Stam!! also, its the song that matters the most. Also,I liked A a liitle more
Well done good job! 🔥🔥Waiting for my Stam 800g i have the u 47 mk2 recently bought it and I love it! now I'm waiting for my next baby Stam 800g sounds amazing! great job Joshua! 🔥
please can you tell me the sonic difference between these 2 ? I feel the 800 sounding more modern, clean but warm also; and the 47 a bit more oldschool and more prominent medium (a bit saturated - not the good word but...). It s for female vocals, in pop , a bit hip hop sometimes. Thx
I highly suspect that A is the Stam, but I actually prefer it a bit. If you listen to a lot of shoot outs of the C800G, you'll see that it's actually surprisingly sibilant. B sounds more sibilant to my ear. I feel pretty confident that A is the Stam, but again, I actually prefer it. And if I'm wrong the Stam is a tremendous value for money either way.
So, I back to this and I feel the some magic when we back to the Stam, slightly different microphones (if you're nerd) but this mic is so nice! I prefered Stam again when I listened first time! I wanna get this one someday. No regrets that I mentioned Sa-800g everywhere.
A sounds a tad warmer and has lot more mids and lows while B well defined HIs and is bit brighter.. Both are great sounding mics, however I would prefer the mic A. I hope A is Stam mic.
Thought A was the Sony until I saw Josh comment. Am I crazy to like (stam) A better? B is phenomenal and up in your face but A is in your face just enough and also bends with the instrument better, it sounds masterfully compressed and finished, and also phenomenal - an improved C800g in my crazy opinion.
If only Stam hired more people to mass produce their products fast enough to stock the shelves at places like Zzounds, Sweetwater, Alto Music ect... Or heck their own website. 😅 I want this mic to make my comeback on TH-cam with soon.
B feels fuller and more rich to me than A. Both sound amazing but B feels slightly smoother and richer. Maybe its psychoacoustics; who knows but I feel better when listening to B
They are both good, unfortunately they have different frequency balances, so comparing them is corrupted by our individual preference for the voice in the mix. However the thing that I hear is that MIC B has these emotional/sexy moments, which the Sony is famous for. I hear less of that in MIC A. So my educated guess is that the Sony is Mic B. Would be interesting to A-B those takes after eqing them to sound more alike. After all, we all EQ to a certain result we want to hear, so these two takes would get different EQ treatment to come closer together.
@Stam Audio @Josh Stam Can you give another example of rap vocals? Since this mic is considered the Holy Grail mic in rap, a rap mic comparison would make sense. But then please dry, without reverb. Once completely raw, once compressed.
Josh, you did a great job on this clone but I can't help but notice some big differences. B (The Sony) is waaay "smoother" - it has this natural compression-like sound and isn't harsh in any way. Where the Stam has a bit more of a "brittle" sound especially on the top end that can sound a little harsh. I think with a little more time with development and more research you could get this nearly identical, but budget constraints etc I'm sure hinder that. Price wise this is very fair and in the "ballpark" of that Sony sound but there is still a very clear difference between the two.
after close analysis of both these, i take back my comment, Mic B sounds more pleasing to the ear and consistent, its not jumping everywhere, which is mic b?
My ears hear A as fuller a bit more body …… so i am of course hoping its the Stam🤷🏼 i don’t own an 800 but i have heard they are more radio(read sits up front in the mix) everything i have of stam is big and warm….. so based on what i have from stam … A sounds like SA800- now i will peruse the comments for clues!! Pretty brave to put your mic out there against the actual piece and run them in a blind A/B ….. s Joshua
Wa 8000 or ga8000 for me, maybe the ga is better but with a little eq wa works fine and is amazing. Please make a video with dry vocals male and female !
Agreed! way smoother. It's too bad because the Stam has potential, but they seemed to skip over some important details in really capturing what makes the Sony so incredible.
Hello: A close friend of mine has a "Stam Child" and he loves it. I, personally, used the Stam LA-2A and 3A and thought that they were really good. But this is NOT how one does a comparison. We're hearing two DIFFERENT performances as well as two different microphones. The best way to "A/B" something is to use the same audio/performance. Having said that, I think that I prefer microphone "B." Thanks.
@@joshuastam7704 Can you give another example of rap vocals? Since this mic is considered the Holy Grail mic in rap, a rap mic comparison would make sense. But then please dry, without reverb. Once completely raw, once compressed.
Unfortunately no chain info, can hear the compression doing A great job , but when they are processed to match and no raw files used and got A thick reverb aroma It could be quite disappointing in real life , warm did the same with their video , full fixed and processed , also did uad for there mics , and always a soft dark backing track , sony c800g is known for cut trough but this wont reveal itself in this contrast they can now sound similar but ones with a modern track differences start to show , sony c800g is therefor the go to mic for those snappy modern beats , in this contrast a u47 would be better, all the companies keep fooling us this way Some rare engineers with golden ears can even pull it of with A sm58 ... but who wants to spent so much time in fixing the goal is faster better results ?? my 2 cents
Hi Stam Audio. I think youtube is adding the compression then. It will, if you upload something quieter than their loudness targets. It is very obvious :) and if this is a “little reverb”, then I guess a “lot of reverb” will basically be like singing into the grand canyon 😂 But just give is raw Wav files, the proof is in the pudding ;)
Not sure which is Sony - but I like A better...B is nearly identical in tone, but handles sibilance more harshly to my ears. Well...which one is which?
Doesn’t have the sparkle of the Sony C800G, sounds about as close as a WA-8000, GA-8000, JJ Akita, or Slate VMS. Sphere L22 is much closer for sure. And there are some un-answered questions regarding the details listed on the website and it’s clear that is NOT “sonically identical”
Which mic doesn't have the sparkle of the Sony? Nah, it sounds quite different from any of the mics you mentioned, no point making the same that it's already out there.
IT'S JUST MY OPINION! The Sony is much more balanced, the mid-bass of the voice is solid, the sibilants are controlled and pleasing. I can’t say the same about the stam audio version. I’m not saying it’s a bad microphone, I’m just saying it’s not a C800G. As with all clones on the market, the similarity is focused on aesthetics. Good music to everyone.
Mic B sounds like a commercial record and Mic A sounds like a cheap budget microphone. They don't even sound similar. B is obviously the Sony. Sorry guys but you didn't nail it on this one. Back to the drawing board.
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My guess is A) Sony… B) Stam. I slightly prefer A but only because I have to choose one for the sake of the blind test. Both sound great and with compression and slight EQ / De-essing you should have no problem achieving the exact same sound with either mic. Extremely slight leveling and sibilance differences are the only things I’m hearing. Excited to receive this and this is clearly the best 800 replica on the market. Just make sure mine sounds just like this one 😀 Well done Josh and team.
A is the Stam. B is Sony
@@AidanSeanMor Whaaaa!!!!??? I was completely wrong.
Which one is better golden age ga8000 or steam audio sa800g?
@@manykzdj792 Stam is going to take forever to get if you order it just so you know. The GA-8000 has also been discontinued for the time being. If you want a C800G sounding mic, the AA CM800T is an excellent choice and it won't break the bank. If you want a mic that LOOKS like the C800G, then your choices are limited to the Stam, a used GA-8000, or an actual Sony.
@pavmx703 thanks for reply, I already have warm audio wa8000, so aa cm800t is not going to make difference I guess, only used Stam Audio Sa800g or golden age ga8000....I'm a right?
I have never tried a Sony but I got my Stam SA-800G two days ago and MAN I love it! Have recorded 2 different artist since then and both of them sounded sooo great with very little done either pre or post. They also felt so comfortable hearing their voice thru the SA-800G in the headphones while recording that it made them sing better then ever! I'm keeping it! =)
How long it take to receive your mic from when you first ordered it.
B is the Sony. Listen to the warmth and low end character. None of the clones have managed to copy that signature sound.
Both are lovely microphones, with very similar nice sound, very decent sound. My heart sang along to the B microphone.
VERY impressive mic! Such a great, heart-felt performance as well 👏🏼
My guess is:
Mic A=Sony C-800G
Mic B=Stam SA-800G
I feel a bit faster transients on Mic B. This must be caused by the age of transformer. Of course, both mic absolutely sounds fantastic!
B can capture her soul when she sings,A sound great but can’t capture the character 👍🏻
I can tell you there are some very good ears amongst this group - it’s hard not to say which is which - C’mon Josh fess up- I ordered one -the mic arrived last night and its beautiful- not sure how long Josh is going to do this but - it’s a pretty unique opportunity to have a guy like this - committed to sonics the same way B Averill was when he started - when these things pop up - grab em - there’s a reason why there aren’t a ton of them floating around to buy - they are expensive and time consuming- some parts are really difficult to track down - and this stuff is all handmade-
It’s funny that in the comments people are saying that both vocals are the Sony which tells me I should get the Stam.
Mic A = SA800G
Mic B = Sony C800G
Mic A = SA800G
Mic B = Sony C800G
Sony is just a solid microphone. Mic B all day. Listening through my Yamaha HS8 monitor speakers & Focusrite Clarett 2Pre usb interface.
I have a 87 from stam, and are unbeliable sounds amazing, for me no differences in the a/b
is it better than u87ai?
Sooo... so I thought i could tell :) both sounds fantastic, and of course the singer herself
SONY C800G=MIC B
Smoother, fuller, better tonal balance throughout registers & the low end weight/warmth.
Stam also sounds great though
B- SONY. Distinguishable top sheen. Noticeable with “S” and similar
Mic B has the juice. Though with the processing its hard to tell, mic A is a bit more pushed in.
Nice demo, would love to hear one with male vocals.
The audible differences arent worth debating...this is super close...lets consider the the 8k to 9k price differnce....I dont hear that much of a diffrence that constitues spending that extra 8k plus. GREAT job Stam!! also, its the song that matters the most. Also,I liked A a liitle more
Well done good job! 🔥🔥Waiting for my Stam 800g i have the u 47 mk2 recently bought it and I love it! now I'm waiting for my next baby Stam 800g sounds amazing! great job Joshua! 🔥
please can you tell me the sonic difference between these 2 ? I feel the 800 sounding more modern, clean but warm also; and the 47 a bit more oldschool and more prominent medium (a bit saturated - not the good word but...). It s for female vocals, in pop , a bit hip hop sometimes. Thx
I highly suspect that A is the Stam, but I actually prefer it a bit. If you listen to a lot of shoot outs of the C800G, you'll see that it's actually surprisingly sibilant. B sounds more sibilant to my ear. I feel pretty confident that A is the Stam, but again, I actually prefer it. And if I'm wrong the Stam is a tremendous value for money either way.
Ivewaited a long time for this video.
So, I back to this and I feel the some magic when we back to the Stam, slightly different microphones (if you're nerd) but this mic is so nice! I prefered Stam again when I listened first time! I wanna get this one someday. No regrets that I mentioned Sa-800g everywhere.
A = Stam B= SONY (It has this almost compressor like tube character and also slightly warmer)
But A sounds awesome too.
A sounds a tad warmer and has lot more mids and lows while B well defined HIs and is bit brighter.. Both are great sounding mics, however I would prefer the mic A. I hope A is Stam mic.
Mic A is the Stam!
@@joshuastam7704 Thanks for the good news, Josh! Waiting to receive this mic soon. Glad I decided to get this mic also glad this is Mic A 😃
@@joshuastam7704 wow...just wow....mic a sounder better to me anyways....wow....unbelievable
Thought A was the Sony until I saw Josh comment. Am I crazy to like (stam) A better? B is phenomenal and up in your face but A is in your face just enough and also bends with the instrument better, it sounds masterfully compressed and finished, and also phenomenal - an improved C800g in my crazy opinion.
B feels smoother in the dynamics to my ears. A little softer / rounder. Both sound great.
Thanks!
@@joshuastam7704 I felt the same. Smoother, Less Harsh, so more detailed. That s why I assume that B is the Sony.
If only Stam hired more people to mass produce their products fast enough to stock the shelves at places like Zzounds, Sweetwater, Alto Music ect... Or heck their own website. 😅 I want this mic to make my comeback on TH-cam with soon.
in stock next month!
@@joshuavanderstam1345 I ordered one a few months after this comment. 😆 Favorite mic I've had so far.
B feels fuller and more rich to me than A. Both sound amazing but B feels slightly smoother and richer. Maybe its psychoacoustics; who knows but I feel better when listening to B
Both sounded great! Just pop one in the post and i'll get back to ya! ✊😉👍
Outstanding job Josh.
Thank you so much
@@joshuavanderstam1345which one is the Stam mic?
They are both good, unfortunately they have different frequency balances, so comparing them is corrupted by our individual preference for the voice in the mix. However the thing that I hear is that MIC B has these emotional/sexy moments, which the Sony is famous for. I hear less of that in MIC A. So my educated guess is that the Sony is Mic B. Would be interesting to A-B those takes after eqing them to sound more alike. After all, we all EQ to a certain result we want to hear, so these two takes would get different EQ treatment to come closer together.
Hope A's Stam, gonna order it in couple of weeks.
@Stam Audio @Josh Stam Can you give another example of rap vocals? Since this mic is considered the Holy Grail mic in rap, a rap mic comparison would make sense.
But then please dry, without reverb. Once completely raw, once compressed.
Will do!!
I can do it for you if you want! I just got one!@@joshuastam7704
@@joshuastam7704 when it will happen?
Josh, you did a great job on this clone but I can't help but notice some big differences. B (The Sony) is waaay "smoother" - it has this natural compression-like sound and isn't harsh in any way. Where the Stam has a bit more of a "brittle" sound especially on the top end that can sound a little harsh. I think with a little more time with development and more research you could get this nearly identical, but budget constraints etc I'm sure hinder that. Price wise this is very fair and in the "ballpark" of that Sony sound but there is still a very clear difference between the two.
Mic A - Sony, Mic B - Stam
Sounds great! Identical to me.
¡Simplemente maravillo! Mis ahorros los pondré en comprar una unidad. Que barbaridad Josh. Bravo
muchisimas gracias amigo
what is the official answer?
after close analysis of both these, i take back my comment, Mic B sounds more pleasing to the ear and consistent, its not jumping everywhere, which is mic b?
Not sure which one is which. They sound close. B is a bit more sibilant in my opinion.
My ears hear A as fuller a bit more body …… so i am of course hoping its the Stam🤷🏼 i don’t own an 800 but i have heard they are more radio(read sits up front in the mix) everything i have of stam is big and warm….. so based on what i have from stam … A sounds like SA800- now i will peruse the comments for clues!!
Pretty brave to put your mic out there against the actual piece and run them in a blind A/B ….. s Joshua
The mics are nice, but she is fantastic ❤
I prefer mic A for this song with the softer almost u47 style top end but I have a feeling B is the Sony with that harder top.
what pre and comp is the mic going though? just curious. When do you expect to ship out Dec stock?
SSL console. Clean preamps. No comp. No EQ
@@joshuastam7704 thanks! im in the USA will i need special adapter for power supply? or is it rated for 110v
ok looks like power supply is rated 110-220v according to the website
@@TheDJroyalz no adapter needed 😊
selling my neuman u87ai because this one so good ))
B all the way! Which one is which?
A 0:07 - B 1:22 To compare 😉 A = Stam B = SONY in my opinion i hope I'm right the stam sounds awesome
Wa 8000 or ga8000 for me, maybe the ga is better but with a little eq wa works fine and is amazing. Please make a video with dry vocals male and female !
Thank you!
Hi, is it possible to order just the heatsink for Stam Audio? :)
B had that MAGIC
B is smoother and can capture the high-freq details of the breathy sounds.
Agreed! way smoother. It's too bad because the Stam has potential, but they seemed to skip over some important details in really capturing what makes the Sony so incredible.
any comparisons with the sa 800 and a u87?
What's the answer? They both sound great.
Hello: A close friend of mine has a "Stam Child" and he loves it. I, personally, used the Stam LA-2A and 3A and thought that they were really good. But this is NOT how one does a comparison. We're hearing two DIFFERENT performances as well as two different microphones. The best way to "A/B" something is to use the same audio/performance. Having said that, I think that I prefer microphone "B." Thanks.
No it’s not 2 different performances it’s the same recording/performance . 🤣
The filming is just replayed but the audio has changed.
It's the same performance. Thank you for your input and compliments to our work!!
@@joecollins7690 my thoughts 💯
@@joshuastam7704 Can you give another example of rap vocals? Since this mic is considered the Holy Grail mic in rap, a rap mic comparison would make sense. But then please dry, without reverb. Once completely raw, once compressed.
@@joshuastam7704 EU Dealers ?
B is the Sony. The highs gave it away. The A is not far off. Wouldn’t tell the difference if not AB-ed.
Mic B !! 👍🏻
Which one is better golden age ga8000 or steam audio sa800g?
Nice shootout joshuastam.
So what was the result? I feel like A is the Sony?
MIC A all the time!
Is A the stam ?
where is the result?
I liked B more, it is smoother, A is a bit harsh for this singer.
which one is A? Sony right ?
I prefer B...what's the result?
girl can sing
Waiting for my SA-800 :)
I'm really sure from the second It flipped to B that A is the sony though ;)
@@sheronpahl1763 what makes you say that ?
@Sheron Pahl Not really, no wait time as they sold out!
You got it now?
@@Lukas-wx9gx yeah recorded an ep with it by now :)
@@midboys Would it be possible for you to send me some raw vocals? Would help me a lot
A sounds slightly smoother.
If your going to do a mic comparison it would better to not add reverb to the vocals. Especially an excessive amount of reverb like this. Thanks.
A is better than B in this video. A is stam?
Yes. There's no better one, just slightly different mics. Although, I like SA more. I love Josh's microphones.
Both sounded great.. A has to be Sony
Unfortunately no chain info, can hear the compression doing A great job , but when they are processed to match and no raw files used and got A thick reverb aroma It could be quite disappointing in real life , warm did the same with their video , full fixed and processed , also did uad for there mics , and always a soft dark backing track , sony c800g is known for cut trough but this wont reveal itself in this contrast they can now sound similar but ones with a modern track differences start to show , sony c800g is therefor the go to mic for those snappy modern beats , in this contrast a u47 would be better, all the companies keep fooling us this way Some rare engineers with golden ears can even pull it of with A sm58 ... but who wants to spent so much time in fixing the goal is faster better results ?? my 2 cents
SSL clean preamps. No EQ, no compression. No processing other than a little reverb , same for both mics.
@Jds Bleedo There is no processing. Only reverb. I edited the video myself. The vocals all over the place, no comp.
@Jds Bleedo Thank you sir!!
Hi Stam Audio. I think youtube is adding the compression then. It will, if you upload something quieter than their loudness targets. It is very obvious :) and if this is a “little reverb”, then I guess a “lot of reverb” will basically be like singing into the grand canyon 😂
But just give is raw Wav files, the proof is in the pudding ;)
Mic B is Sony, you can hear that from 1km distance 😂
A is Sony 800? B is Stam?
If I order will it arrive?
No, sorry, sold out.
i prefer A over B
Wow i m Blown away. they are clearly identical
A wins hands down
B is the Stam?
Not sure which is Sony - but I like A better...B is nearly identical in tone, but handles sibilance more harshly to my ears. Well...which one is which?
Listening to this a month later I can hear that Mic B has more Self Noise. Hopefully B is the Sony. 😂
A is the 800
my guess is B is the Sony.
Mic B is Stam
B sits better in the mix. I'd go with B. Sounds like Sony to me.
B sounds expensive to my ears. If that is the Stam, I have to say wow.
0:52 and 2:07
B is Sony! 100%
B is the Sony and A is the Stam, they do not sound identical...
Agreed. It sounds pretty good though. But the original a tiny bit better 🤏
Thanks for your input!!
A sounds better to me
me too...
A test with less reverb would be better... And with male voice..
I'll make another video with myself singing and no reverb in a month or so!
@@joshuastam7704 👍
@@joshuastam7704have u done it?
My guess: B is the Sony. Has stronger Midrange and lowend and seems clearer over all.
B - sounds better
B
I think B is sony.
Doesn’t have the sparkle of the Sony C800G, sounds about as close as a WA-8000, GA-8000, JJ Akita, or Slate VMS. Sphere L22 is much closer for sure. And there are some un-answered questions regarding the details listed on the website and it’s clear that is NOT “sonically identical”
Which mic doesn't have the sparkle of the Sony? Nah, it sounds quite different from any of the mics you mentioned, no point making the same that it's already out there.
IT'S JUST MY OPINION!
The Sony is much more balanced, the mid-bass of the voice is solid, the sibilants are controlled and pleasing.
I can’t say the same about the stam audio version. I’m not saying it’s a bad microphone, I’m just saying it’s not a C800G.
As with all clones on the market, the similarity is focused on aesthetics. Good music to everyone.
B=Sony
On my ipad, B had better tone :)
You all are confused. lol
Mic B sounds like a commercial record and Mic A sounds like a cheap budget microphone. They don't even sound similar. B is obviously the Sony. Sorry guys but you didn't nail it on this one. Back to the drawing board.
B...... slightly more presence and clarity.