SONY C-800G vs WARM WA-8000 can you hear the difference in the mix?
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Vocal Chain: Mic/Neve Preamp/Apogee Converter
Performance:
SONG 1 - @christiedashiell
SONG 2 - @bhartyall
SONG 3 - @krystlemaria_
SONG 4 - @moprodigy_ @producedbylow
SONG 5 - @edleyshine_official (BornJamericans)
Celloist - EL
Video & AudioProduction - @Lapography
Recording Engineer: @Lapography
Asst Engineer: @producedbylow
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Another dope shootout video, the production quality is like that. Thanks for putting this together. I think the Golden age was closer to the C800g than the Warm audio is. The Warm is definitely usable and shares similar characteristics, but it's that smooth-airiness of the C800g that the clones just can't seem to completely replicate. The Warm has a resonance in the high frequencies that's not really pleasing, but it's only really apparent on the higher voices. On the guy that did the Reggae song, they sound very similar since his voice doesn't register much in the highs that trigger that resonance. For it's price though, I think the Warm is about as close as you can get to a C800g if that's the sound you're after. I own the Golden Age clone, and it's really close to the real deal, but it's almost like there's a built in smooth air-band on the C800g that the Golden age is missing.
I don’t think the GA 8000 sounds anything like a Sony
You have some great ears behind your head. Thanks for commenting. There is definitely a C800 clone to fit everyones budget these days. Everyone now has options. Warm is doing great things, Golden Age is also doing great things.
everybody talks about the top end of the Sony’s air, but it's the bottom end nobody‘s able to duplicate.U67 has been the only other mic that can duplicate the bottom end
@@realtalkroscoeg thats cause the 800 was actually modeled after the 67
Add the Russian 6j4p. problem solved in regards to the top. Ive honestly come to like it with the stock tube.
Super extensive and professional review. The only one I ve seen that demo's different genres of vocals male and female. BIGUPS! You got a new sub
big bruh at the end coming thrruuuuuu, LOVE HIS VOCAL
I personally had the honor of recording on the C800g a few years back and had it processed thru the classic Neve Pre into the 1176 into the EQP-1A and I must say it was the most rich I’ve ever heard my voice before 😭 and from what I just heard with these examples the Warm audio come close but the Sony just has a level of silkiness and openness too it idk how to explain but never the less warm audio has amazing quality products I’m currently running a WA-47Jr and I Love it 🫶🏽
So run the wa 8000 through a neve pre and eqp and outboard compression you damn near can't tell the difference.
This is what mic shootouts and reviews should look like!
Thank you for watching
They sound close. The c800G has the capsule positioned in the perfect position and the wa8000 is a little high for the majority of the singers so I give the lack of low end a little bit of forgiveness there.
Exactly! Many forget that the body in front of the mic is also a form of vibration and gives off mid low end tone!
The main difference (I could clearly hear in all examples) was more low mid energy in the Sony, so this checks out. The general response was really similar otherwise. The Sony may be slightly “glassier” in top end but it’s splitting hairs IMO. The differences seem within the range of some simple processing. My only concern with the Warm would be how well they hold up over time :)
Hi , you might wanne check out the sony C800G vs the ZP800G review also done by Lapography not so long ago , it might interest you also 🙂 th-cam.com/video/HbWlakr9UCo/w-d-xo.html
Eminem & Dr Dre use the Sony c800gpac
(Speaking particularly for vocals) I worked in a studio that had an U47 and U47 knock off - I had to mix both mics and while the quality was noticeable, you’d be surprised how post-processing masks the differences. The biggest takeaway was that If I hadn’t known what the original mic sounded like, it’d be a huge challenge to achieve the same end result with the knock off. So while you can buy a cheaper mic, the payoff using higher quality is how much less work it’ll take to finesse the signal. Additionally, there are some things that you simply cannot replicate without painstaking adjustments. The subtle dynamic ranges on each inflection (particularly the bottom end and sibilance in the highs), and also what I’d consider the “grain effect” where lower quality mics tend to produce this guesstimation in the high-mids/high frequencies, can make processing certain harmonics a nightmare when you’re removing dynamic range. Things tend to just mush up together and you end up using a spaghetti string mess of automation just to get this product that can easily sound “combed” (filtered) and sonically mangled when soloed 😂
Ok this is the best shootout. Love the variety of vocalists.
Thank you for watching
Hi , you might wanne check out the sony C800G vs the ZP800G review also done by Lapography not so long ago , it might interest you also 🙂 th-cam.com/video/HbWlakr9UCo/w-d-xo.html
appreciate multiple vocalists, mic placement, and the tracks! Perfect, only channel of this type I subscribe to.
The sony mic is very bright but has no sizzle at the top end. But the main important characteristics are it's slow transient response which leads to smooth attack and release plus the tube who adds more harmonics to the sound, and eventually you get a bright, smooth and warm vocal before processing. It's all about the workflow between It's capsule, tube and all the circuitry
It's close but I think the Sony has more midrange harmonics and a silkier top end. They should've put the Sony on top and thus upside down because it's a little known fact that it's designed to be used that way. Notice how the fin on the head sink is angled slightly down (so if upside down, slightly up). This is to encourage a little resistance of the internal coolant that would have to run uphill a little bit. In the end it effects the designed optimal operating temperature of the mic. Also the midrange boost on the Sony could'v been because it's closer to her throat/chest than the WA. Great sounding mics though.
A very important point about both of these mics is how expensive the upkeep is on these things. $10k is just the starting point. You could leave these mics on the stand and they’ll just “break” - resulting in days/weeks/months waiting on parts/tubes. Or you may not notice they’ve reduced in quality until one day you listen back after a recording session and *gasp* you not only have to pay to fix the issue, now you gotta bring the talent back in which can be a nightmare if they flew in. That’s why Dr. Dre said “I’ll take two of these” when he bought this mic. Make sure your budget can afford the downtime with comparable alternatives!
Merci bcp pour cette vidéo ! Le Warm audio manque un peu de coffre et de précision dans le bas mid sur le registre chant (la première chanteuse). Mais chapeau à la team Warm car sur bcp d’exemple dans la vidéo, la différence avec le C800G est à peine perceptible. Je prendrai le WA8000 sans problème après cette super démo ! Thank you Lapography
Great comparison video. Your artists are crazy talented as well. Very impressive vocals from all of them. Your quality shows bruhbruh. Much love and respect ✌️😎
Thank you for your very kind words.
Thx for doing this. The warm sounds rly good. Think when you add a pulltec on it for more bottom and highs und maybe pull some mids out you cant say which is which in a blind test. The Sony has this ability to sit just right in a modern mix because of its sound signature (good lowend and nice highs)
I'm just watching for the beautiful camera work
that sony mic really has that super smooth professional sound. For a mic ive seen for $20k youd hope so.
Both are great. thanks for vid.
Hi , you might wanne check out the sony C800G vs the ZP800G review also done by Lapography not so long ago , it might interest you also 🙂 th-cam.com/video/HbWlakr9UCo/w-d-xo.html
First I'd like to say that your channel is great and I just discovered and subscribed to you. There is a slight difference that only us engineers can tell. The average music listener can't tell or even care about the differences. They're only concerned with the music they like. I love your shootout vids. Keep them coming.
Thank you for subscribing and for leaving your honest opinion. I am definitely going to have more content coming very soon. Thank you.
In my opinion the differences are nitpicky, especially considering the price and availability difference. In well recorded and fuly mixed tracks most could likely not even tell a difference imo. great video, thanks
a "GAP 8000 vs SONY C800 G can you hear the difference in the mix?" would be great
this.. lets hear a post production shoot out with that
Maaaaan by the comments under this video you would think the mics were worlds apart lol. it’s all minor Nuance, the WA-8000 did an incredible Job absolutely incredible,and is more than a usable mic. Based on this shootout alone that much is evident. y’all doing too much lol
And literally none of them would hear the difference on those cheap ear buds they listen to most of their music on.
@@KeenApollo Exactly! Anybody that is actually even decent at what they do could work wonders with this mic. It's definitely a heavyweight in the space. It absolutely will sound different from other mics but the point is it'll get you very solid results
You cannot go off the shootouts
Nice! They both need a nice tube compressor to help with the low mids
Wow both of em plus the engineer working them as well. Good content I subbed. Peace and Love
I already heard it. WA 8000 has less bottom end, and the top end very bright and harsh. Still, the WA is the closest clone out right now.
Right
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Golden Age Project GA-8000?
Furthest from the closest
Hi , you might wanne check out the sony C800G vs the ZP800G review also done by Lapography not so long ago , it might interest you also 🙂 th-cam.com/video/HbWlakr9UCo/w-d-xo.html
The c800g gets thru the mix with that high freqs bit sometimes is way too much on certain vocals and sss, thanks for this video
Here's the deal! You can make records with this mic, or mics that cost way less! I have recorded clients with the Shure sm 57 that sounded better on certain clients voice than the Neumann u87. Just because a mic cost 20 million dollars doesnt necessarily make it the best choice for every situation
Wow! Really? Groundbreaking discovery! Please tell us more!
Christie and Krista!! Worked with both of them!! Super talented!
The featured video stands out for its pleasing and aesthetic visuals. However, with all due respect, I'd like to point out some considerations that affect the validity of the microphone comparison conducted. Below are the aspects that could enhance the quality of the experiment:
Excessive Voice Processing:
The noticeably processed voices in the experiment compromise its integrity. This factor alone could be perceived as an attempt to "cheat" in the comparison.
Inclusion of Music in Voices:
The presence of music in the recordings might be acceptable if raw and acapella vocals were presented beforehand. This would allow for a more accurate assessment of each microphone's capabilities.
Need for Singing Comparisons:
For an exact comparison, the samples should include sung portions of the song. This would provide a more faithful evaluation of each microphone's performance in real-world conditions.
Inappropriate Microphone Positioning:
Disparity in the height of microphone capsules can significantly impact sound quality, resulting in noticeable tonal differences. Correcting this variable would be beneficial for obtaining fairer results.
Lack of Detailed Vocal Chain Information:
The absence of specific information, such as exact models and wiring used in the vocal chain, limits a comprehensive understanding of each microphone's performance.
Insufficient Audio Information on TH-cam:
While TH-cam compression is mentioned, it's positive that access to higher-quality audio files is offered. This detail should be emphasized to ensure a more accurate evaluation.
Despite these considerations, the evident disparity in clarity, three-dimensionality, and definition of sound, particularly highlighted in the Sony microphone, is undeniable. This doesn't negate the WA-8000's capability to produce satisfactory results but underscores the importance of considering context and user needs. It's understandable that, for less experienced listeners with low-quality equipment, the experiment may suggest minimal differences between the microphones. Ultimately, this critique is offered with due respect to the video creators, with the hope of contributing to future improvements in their comparisons, which undoubtedly require time and effort.
Great review. Loved the way you went about comparing them. Very comprehensive 🔥🔥🔥
Thank you for watching.
can you please compare WA vs GA C800G mics?
Oooo yay! Can’t wait 🔥🔥
Imo I think it's all about how well one brand is able to copy the other.If we leave that copying & cost aspect aside ,I am sure we will have a good appreciation of both the mics!
For some of them the sony was an absolute win, the way the top end is smoothed out and perfectly compressed without loosing clarity. But that last guy sounded great no matter what mic he used!
its super super super and I mean super subtle but the sony c-800g does have a very slight edge of the WA-8000 because you can hear it sits better and sounds fuller the WA-8000 sounds really good though you can't deny it i mean between a 1k mic and a 10k mic just go with the 1k mic
Hi , you might wanne check out the sony C800G vs the ZP800G review also done by Lapography not so long ago , it might interest you also 🙂 th-cam.com/video/HbWlakr9UCo/w-d-xo.html
Geez. I need to hear now man. Drop early.
The super subtle differences can EASILY be overcome with the 9k left in your pocket for a nice Pultec and an LA2A which you'll have just about enough for both with the change! Which could then carve any mic into an incredibly amazing sounding mic 🤷🏻♂️🤣
The Sony just has some magic "shine" in some upper mid frequency, especially on female singers. It just makes a vocal sound expensive and more impressive than real life. So many mics that emulate it might sound good, but the C800 sounds like a real "record" or release. It's also absurdly expensive, so there's that major downside...
Depends on the voice. I know people that sound bad with that mic.
Hi , you might wanne check out the sony C800G vs the ZP800G review also done by Lapography not so long ago , it might interest you also 🙂 th-cam.com/video/HbWlakr9UCo/w-d-xo.html
This was a great demonstration. I really appreciated how there were multiple genres. Maybe some male rock, folk, or indie next time? But I also understand if that's outside of your wheelhouse. Great video!
Thank you for watching. Ill keep that in mind
They both good
The Sony is magical. It has the sauce. It seems likes all the clones of Sony's or Neumann's come close but don't have the magic. Its the magic you're paying for. You gots to pay for the magic. It's worth it. Its all about getting that extra 10% to compete at the top.
Thanks for this video.
the difference is audible for me; the Sony is much more round, and profound, especially you can get the diff in the consonants. (you need to have a pro audio system or decent headphones to notice this.
But just a comment; the vocals are not rough (they have a lot of processing) so a more fair comparison is without autotune, delays, and reverbs.
Hi , you might wanne check out the sony C800G vs the ZP800G review also done by Lapography not so long ago , it might interest you also 🙂 th-cam.com/video/HbWlakr9UCo/w-d-xo.html
It’s so obvious with every mic that’s “trying” to be one of the greats, they’re just flat, sharp, and non dimensional. When you listen to them in a mix they sit under or too on top, never IN the mix, where you want them. The 800 has instant IN with the same clarity only less harsh, with more dimension and fluidity. Why mic modelers or manufactures can’t get this correct or recreate it for the price point is beyond me. They simply must know what it is that they’re keeping “out” of their clones to keep the costs down. Would love to know what that element is.
Build quality and components contributes to that. On another note the C800G needs to be paired with the correct preamp to achieve best results and this is specific to each performer. C800g into Neve will not work all the time. Sometimes a different preamp is required or even switching the mic for the session to a U87
That’s interesting! In your experience what pairs best with the C800? What do you prefer with the WA8000? I use a Soyuz 017 tube with a RND shelford and a Sony 100 with a BAE 1073 500 series. I think I might like it better than the shelford at times.
@@SDA-Sound My favorite combo is the C800g into a Prodigy Engineering preamp.
We need a u67 vs Sony c800g
Have you tried the Slate Digital ML-1 with the c800 emulation?
That c800 sound so much tighter compared to the 8000 almost sounds like a compressor or something sounds so good
The c800 needs no processing if recorded properly.
I just get the WA-8000 i I use it with my wa EQ 73 Wow good microphone 🎙 I love it
Right on. You will make some great hits with that combination. All that’s needed now is great talent in front of the microphone.
Fact 💯
Great shootout!!!! I honestly love both mics!!!!
I hear a small buzz in the background, which is most evident at 0:31. Is this something with the microphone or just an error from some other channel? The comparison is excellent, thanks for sharing it.
The mics are fine. We were having electric grid issues at the time.
Ist the Song by Krystle Maria released?
I have heard it 20 Times now. Really great!☺️
Hey no it’s unreleased
DAMN THAT SONY MIC SOUNDS RAW
Sony C-800G has more organic and neutral sound on the top. I have WA 8000 for about 7 months. Great mic, but you have to work a little bit on top end and high mids. Overall mic that has everyhing and you don't have to add nothing in digital domain, only cut. Love this mic, much less work than with Shure Sm7B for rap. My recommendation here :)
Hi , you might wanne check out the sony C800G vs the ZP800G review also done by Lapography not so long ago , it might interest you also 🙂 th-cam.com/video/HbWlakr9UCo/w-d-xo.html
yesssss
fantastic, thanks
A good comparison. Some of the vocals were fine with the WA8000 and others sounded better with the C800G.
I think overall you could hear the fullness and depth from the C800G. You could make up for some of that by layering extra vocals.
WA8000 will be just fine until you compare them and then the clear winner is the C800G. The WA8000 can still get you close but for a number one single gotta go with the C800G!
Great shootout vid man! The Warm didn't really nail the low end or top end of the mic compared to the real thing imo, and I also dislike how it sounds on louder vocals and higher notes in your video and other videos as well, including Warm Audio's demo video.
I am curious about your opinion Lapography after doing multiple shootouts versus a c800g. Which clone do you feel sounds closest to a real c800g between the GA8000, WA-8000, and the Sony C100 (I know it's not a clone, but its the same company with some shared technology)?
Thanks for watching. After hearing all the mics I can conclude that they are all great. Each mic has a purpose. I look at them as tools. Use the right tool for a specific job. They all mimic the c800g in a certain way. The c800g is always going to be its own thing. Some of the clones do come very close.
I said this bro. Everybody is caught on the top end, but the Sony’s bottom end is absolutely magic. It’s low end makes it get full without getting muddy and WA 8000 doesn’t have that
@@realtalkroscoeg I think our ears naturally listen for higher frequencies first so that makes sense. My first time listening thru, I was also caught up on the top end. It was after my second time listening to the examples that I noticed the low mids and lows were missing from the WA 8000.
@@Lapography That makes sense. Thanks again man for doing this. Your shootouts are very helpful!
Hi , you might wanne check out the sony C800G vs the ZP800G review also done by Lapography not so long ago , it might interest you also 🙂 th-cam.com/video/HbWlakr9UCo/w-d-xo.html
Use a WAVE vocal preset and a UAD Apollo Twin X quad, I promise you there'll hardly be any difference after the mix. You will not be able to tell the difference between these two mics.💯
What is the WAVE vocal preset? Is it in the UAD Console for tracking through?
@@ThaRealDawnThis is funny. Apollo twin X has subpar preamps and conversion.
that was cool...thanks! center point was off a lot though....imho
very cool it wasn't dudes in their basement......
can't sing into one direcly and have the other higher or off axis....?
and have any type of shoot out
The Warm wa8000 mic just need a nice tube compressor,
and then will be very good for mixing👍
WA8000 -> 1073 -> TubeTech CL1B =
thanks for sharing!
Also I’d love to see the WA8000 compared to the Sony c100!
Both mics sounds great. I really like your vocal treatment. What is your vocal treatment chain processing after the vocal is recorded
Thanks for watching. Video coming soon on the chain used
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2nd singer hit harder with her voice conpared to the 1st ... With my eyes closed, listening ... #2 wins
Wa8000 is close enough any little difference could be solved with the eq
@lapography thanks for the video :) what is the model of the antipop?
Little more sizzle on the c800.
Add a Tube EQ and they’d be indistinguishable
honestly they sound completly differnt. The difference in quality is huge. sony c800 has a sound that's 10x more prisitine and expensive. WA-8000 sounds like a decent mic, just in a different tier for price and quality.
The c800g has smoother tops and more controlled low mid. The warm is more harsh and hyped tops.
Yes
Notice how they show the Sony C800g when the artist is hitting their highest notes. 🧠💡
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Warm WA800 is a nice crisp microphone, but it is missing the boddie and somehow disapier in the soundpicture. I have feeling that there is lott of distortion in midrange. On the other side Sony C8000G has lot of the boddie and givs the singers power and naturalnes. Yes, SonyC800G is expensiv but is much better to me. However, the Warm WA800 is very crisp microphone and can be used in many recording things.
Hi , you might wanne check out the sony C800G vs the ZP800G review also done by Lapography not so long ago , it might interest you also 🙂 th-cam.com/video/HbWlakr9UCo/w-d-xo.html
your singers are good!
c800g is just smoother top & fuller low end but wa8000 is fire asl
Nice
SANG!!!!!!
i have the wa-8000 great for me so far
Great video
Nice!
the intro is fire, is a song??
Thank you. I created it just for this video on vintage synths
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Anybody know the song the girl in the yellow was singing at the end she kinda slid on that lol
Lol hey that’s me 😂 haha it’s called flatline but it’s unreleased it may not ever come out lol
Warm is constantly leaving me disappointed. I really wanted to like the wa-1b. I really did.
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What’s the chain? Why do people always forget to mention the signal chain as that is just as important as the mic.
Both mics are going into a Neve preamp.
Why so much background noise
Big Big difference
Seriously, an A/B test with effects on their voices?
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Warm is not as smooth sounding as the Sony. I imagine is you swapped the capsule out for something a bit more high end that would do the trick.
Yo I need your vocal chain cuz it sounds amazing
Thanks for the comment. I will be releasing some presets very soon. Thanks
What do you think is the better option between the WA 8000 vs the universal audio sphere that mimics the Sony C800? Thanks.
Hi , you might wanne check out the sony C800G vs the ZP800G review also done by Lapography not so long ago , it might interest you also 🙂 th-cam.com/video/HbWlakr9UCo/w-d-xo.html
How can I find the second song? It’s lovely
no one heard the squeaky noise from warm mic????? it's so loud and disturbing!
The average listener streaming their favorite songs would never know the difference.
the sony's top end and "S" is on the edge when the singers hit it louder ... a slice too much imo. but clearly the winner in the mix. much more transparent and the vocals sit and fit way better in the mixes in this video compared to the WA...
to much grain and distortion on the WA for my taste as well.
so there are some serious reasons why the sony got it's own gold standard ;)
Thanks for listening. Both mics are generous on the top end. The top end can always be dialed back on either. They both taking to processing very well. The WA is a great value mic and of course the SONY is always the SONY. Subscribe to see my processing workflow in the next video.
@@Lapography thanks for ur effort! I'll be back ;) hehe
I like the Sony for the female vocs better. Actually thought the warm only sounded better on the male rapper.
Hi , you might wanne check out the sony C800G vs the ZP800G review also done by Lapography not so long ago , it might interest you also 🙂 th-cam.com/video/HbWlakr9UCo/w-d-xo.html
That black girl in Yellow was crazy
Flat VS 3D!
The Sony is worth that extra price.
A little harsh Wa 800 sony nice smooth n clear
the girl wit the neon yellow needs to sing something else hahhahaha sounds like she strugglin lmao
😂 so true! I was
@@KrystleMaria I thought you had the most interesting delivery out of everyone in the vid, keep creating!
Too much autotune 😂