What people don’t realize is even the greatest Fighters in the world can get their ass kicked by a street fighter. If you get a crazy enough person where anything goes it’s not like Brazilian jujitsu with those rules and you’re on the ground wrestling. Yes eye gouging elbows biting. Picking up the pipe anything heavy smashing it at someone’s face. Broken glass anything can be used chains. This is why I laugh when I hear why does Mayweather or why does Connor McGregor or why did Mohammad Ali have bodyguards?? Because the bodyguards were tougher than them that’s why
@@robertlulek1634 Your logic lol. They have bodyguards to prevent lawsuits. It a fan decides to attach them or approach them aggressively and they defend themselves who will get the blame in the America. Judicial system? Ali, Mayweather or Conor. Bodyguards prevent this.
I agree. However, the reason neither of them went to prison for that attack (which I believe was attempted murder) is because Ken was wrong for breaking in the door. Now maybe that's not how it went, maybe Saggs opened the door, but Ken himself said he busted it down. So right there, they have the right to defend themselves. Throwing him off the balcony is waaaay too far though. Especially once the guy is already knocked out! If that had happened, then we'd be talking about the murder of Shamrock instead.
no matter what you say Ken shamrock has a certain class to him. deffinitley he went through a tough guy phase but its not like he would beat people down who didnt really deserve it you would have to be asking for it and shamrock would square up with you. he was someone who put MMA on the map and he was successful. i heard a story where he broke his back or neck in highschool and they said he would never play sports again. and he took that beeting from the nasty boys getting the boots put to him. hes with stood alot the average person wouldnt be here if they went through that. kens tough as nails
From what Col. Parker said, Knobs was knocked out the whole time and Jerry Saggs hit Ken from behind with a telephone and then kicked Shamrock. So it's not like the Nasty Boys jumped him.
I met him yesterday, he did motion capture for a new game at our wrestling school. SUPER CHIILL and down to Earth he was chatting like he knew us all forever. Shamrock is a true professional.
I believed my mom that there was a Tooth Fairy ! She didn't lie ... just didn't mention it was a 79yr man named Juan that lives in the Bronx and has a horrible tooth fetish !
@aliamjon2550 you do if your life depends on it, this wasn't a friendly fight. Rules are for sport or a friendly fight where you don't want to hurt someone street fight anything goes.
@@romper4444 @deescott was correct. Ken Shamrock is an OG MMA LEGEND. He fought in the essentially no-holds-barred era and was a winner. Lesnar has an average MMA record whereas Shamrock is phenomenal. Ken also fought against the real and original beast, Dan Severns. Both would obliterate almost any wrestler in any era, as they are real shooters. Severns was primarily a wrestler, while Shamrock mastered several techniques. The fact that a 300 pounder had to sneak a guy who was 215-225 should tell you how dangerous he was. Anyway, New Jack kicked Knobbs butt for being inappropriate too. Evidently, he shouldn't drink because he has memory issues and personality changes. He and Jack were cool before the incident. Jack never forgave him according to recent shoot interviews.
Seems Shamrock is the only one who knows the story up to being hit with the phone. What kind of coward hits you from behind with one of those old giant hotel phones? This was years ago, when stuff wasn't made of thin, cheap plastic. Even the plastic was heavy duty and this stuff always had metal reinforcement on it. Frankly, I believe Shamrock's story more than anyone else. I can tell he's adding some stuff in to justify him going to the hotel, but for the most part, he seems legit in what he says. That Nobbs guy, you can just see liar all over his face. Shamrock was the most dangerous man in the UFC in his prime. I just wish he would have retired and not come back. He was done, but his pride sent him into the ring with Ortiz, who was obviously in his prime at the time. Shamrock didn't stand a chance and it was a bad way to end a career. Had he been 10 years younger, then it would have been a match. Ortiz knew he was done and should have never agreed to fight him.
Shamrock also cut to 205 to fight Tito, which was a massive weight cut for him and probably drained him of a ton of his strength. Tito himself was even hesitant at the prospect of fighting Ken back in 1999 when all the shit between him and the Lion's Den first came to a head, specifically citing the fact that Ken was a good deal bigger than him. Several years worth of accumulated injuries from his time in the WWF certainly didn't help matters either. Ideally, Ken would've retired after his epic clash with Don Frye in Pride, as that would've been the ideal way to cap off a legendary career.
@@BestWayKilla Yeah, that 205-pound weight cut was a horrible idea for Shamrock. He looked awful too; totally drained. That weight cut probably took years off his career. And as far as Frye-Shamrock, I agree completely. As Frye said, neither one was the same after that.
Agreed. I’m trying to figure out timing. This event was before original UFC in early mid 90s right? if so- no one that was old enough at the time would disagree with the statement that Shamrock, Royce Gracie, Dan Severn and Don Frey were DEADLY. A fight between any of these 4? Flip a coin. If Royce could wrap you up? Game over. If Ken got you on the ground? Game over. If Dan got a hold of you? Game over. If you tried to trade blows with Frey? Game over. I can’t argue with you going with Ken as most dangerous. I mean that was also his nickname. And contrary to what some may say? Any one of these 4- in their prime- would’ve destroyed Tito. Tito had skills no doubt. But the four I mentioned? The Mount Rushmore of OG UFC. Tito would’ve been wrecked.
@@m3anmug You can receive a concussion, be semi-conscious, in a state that would be considered knocked out in any combat sport (which Shamrock participates in), without being completely unconscious.
Haku is a shirt and tie businessman type not a bouncer. Just because he got into a fight with an average built everyday man in a bar once and almost gouged his eye out. Which anybody can do as the eye is of the most delicate, easily injured part of the body. The story snowballed every time someone told it on the Internet, adding more to it each time. Doesn't mean the guy's the toughest man to ever live.
@@paulsmith9192 one analogy I've heard is a correction to the "there's two sides to every coin" statement. The correction is that there's the edge, which is between the two sides.
@@quickenmyend It's a combination but the one thing that it is for sure is that Ken got beat up pretty badly and that most likely Sags was trying to throw him over the railing.
Funny how the only story that sounds remotely true is from the guy who took the whooping. Normally it's the other way. They must have done some dirty crap.
@@kevinkelly1529 OJ Simpson is a Hero! I'm divorced and she was a horrible person and if I had the $$$ at the time............ I would've bought that fishing boat I wanted 😁
Col. Robert Parker… wow man. Here’s an idea: You bring in a Texas chainsaw massacre character type into WWE and the game will change. Real good to see this dude.
There have been a number of them. I believe Chainsaw Charlie and Mankind were both influenced by Texas Chainsaw Massacre, as well as possibly Kane and The Abyss.
As much as I love Shamrock... there is no such thing as a fair fight, especially when somebody is breaking the door to your room down. It isn't a match, it's a fight. They almost killed him, and I'm sure Kenny would've fucked them up just as bad of they didn't crack him in the back of the head. I'm not saying I'd ever piss of Ken Shamrock the way they did, but if Ken Shamrock is breaking my door down, I'm bashing the shit out of him in the back of the head.
well i mean if you black out you only know what you’re told later on. his story matches up with col parkers enough and the story about their meaning later billy gunn has the same story abt that as shamrock
@@igorivanov299 Your an idiot & have never obviously been beat the fuck up. I can remember several times being in brawls & quickly in/out of it, how's that seem far fetched not like the first hit he was out cold. He is a fucking former ufc champ u act like he's some fat, fake wrestler like saggy titties & knob slob.
@@chunky9791 Yeah I got knocked out one time. I was only out for probably less than a second but yeah everyone acts like getting knocked out automatically means you are out cold for an extended period of time.
Sags is apparently a tough guy in real life. Just cos someone aint mma trained dont mean they cant be tough fuckers. Believe shamrock tbh,weapons used,2 on 1,though he got what he deserved tbh, he instigated violence,nasty boys twatted him.
Just New Jack would have been fine, or if Ken had common sense to know the guy your brushing by to attack another guy is that guys tag team partner/best friend and might do a little more than pull him off. Ken should have KOed Saggs on his way to Knobbs but he wasn't thinking because of anger and alcohol.
6:36 my money is on: dude had realized right before other guy walked in how bad he messed him up and in his drunken panic was dead ass about to yeet him off the balcony and say he fell or somethin lmfao
Vince should have made Shamrock and Severn the ultimate heel superstars. They were legit fighters who looked the part and walked the walk. As a fan I had so much respect for Shamrock just because I knew in a real fight no one in the era could hang with him besides Dan. Also the little bit Ken was on Raw, he was doing good, even though they were kind of jobbing him out towards the end.
If someone is trying to seriously harm you, you don't concern yourself about fighting "hand to hand". If anybody breaks my door down wanting to hurt me or my family, I'm going to point my 12 gauge at them and fill them full of buckshot. I don't really care how "honorable" it is at that point. I'm not defending the Nasty Boys either, it sounds like they started the whole thing by being drunk assholes and assaulting a woman, but once this got to a point where someone is breaking down your hotel room door looking to hurt you, the whole lets step outside a settle this like honorable men is long past.
That is it in a fight a real fight anything is consider anything because you are thinking about your life so you pick up a Cup old mob guys say the same thing!
@@rickphilly1975 lol yeah MMA fans always get me with "in a real fight". Hogwash. In a real fight anything goes, and even the most legit and decorated UFC fighters can get owned under the right circumstances (or wrong circumstances). There is no ref, no coaches, no one to break up a fight if things go south. No time limits. No rules.
Still cowards hitting home from behind , once he was out done with. Too keep going ? Almost kill him ? Ken I would have got them back, you're a good man
I believe Ken's side also, but I find it funny that everyone is saying he is the only one who seems to be telling the truth. All that sticks out to me is how Shamrock said he saw knobbs passed out on the bed and then the last thing he remembered was being out cold after the phone to the back of the head. Then he says after that the "other one" got up and started kicking him too. If the lights went out after contact, he would've never known they both beat him.
In the interview before Shamrock's, it was said that he HEARD them putting boots to Shamrock, which is likely how Shamrock found out he had the boots put to him. He was told.
@@levih7326 No, pay close attention to what Parker says, he says that Knobbs was either passed out or knocked out, he couldn't tell, just that his feet were hanging off the bed. But Knobbs' face was all bloody, where he ASSUMED Shamrock had beat the mess out of him before getting clocked over the head with the steel-plate telephone.
@@billywashere6965 If we are paying close attention... Then how could he have gone in, beat up Knobbs, then got clocked with the phone and then Knobbs helps put the boots to him, then is knocked out again? If Shamrock's lights were turned out and they both put the boots to him, how is knobbs now knocked out? LOL.
@@levih7326 Actually, it's possible Shamrock came in, beat the snot out of Knobbs, got clocked over the head, and after Knobbs got beat up, he woke up and him and Skaggs put the boots to Shamrock for a little, and then Knobbs passed out again. Skaggs then proceeded to drag Shamrock out of the room to dump him over the railing. That doesn't seem completely unreasonable given Knobbs was already in a drunken stupor, and probably wasn't very coherent after getting knocked around a bit by Shamrock.
Bro those nasty boys are heavenly lucky that this was a young Ken shamrock they tried to bully or play around with and eventually beat up. Because in gods truth if that was the UFC icon version of shamrock they would’ve ended up in a grave somewhere. So that’s a blessing for them Hence why when Ken asked for a rematch fight with them in 1997 they completely refused and one of them even tried to apologize !!
You’d be surprised even though ken is jacked and strong and can fight he’s not an enormous man overall and there’s a reason there are weight divisions in ever physical combat sport. I’m not saying I want to tangle with him but in the right circumstances, the bigger man will overcome him
@@TheEnderBand That is the biggest falsehood, I've heard personally seen a 160lb guy face off with a guy at least 260lbs at least a 100lbs heavier the guy was and the smaller guy knocked him out, the guy didn't know where he was for about 10 minutes, by the way the bigger guy had a reputation where he was from as being a tough guy
@@g-manjams I feel like Shamrock contradicts himself. He recounts, with amazing detail, events that occurred while he claimed to be knocked unconscious...which is preposterous. If his claim is that he was knocked out by a phone upon entering...he can't provide witness to the rest. It becomes a he-said she said and there's not any real evidence either way. But, I'll tell you this; if you kick in someone's hotel room door looking for trouble...you probably deserve an ass kicking.
@@bloodstripemedia He didn't say he recounts what happened after getting knocked out by the phone, the parts after that were what he was told by others. Why can't you dummies get it? The entire comments section is filled with dummies confused by the same thing. He never said he saw what happened after he got ko'd by the phone.
Once Shamrock breaks in that room what did he think would happen. They would let him beat them up. Terrible situation, nasty boys were wrong touching the girl, but Shamrock never cooled down, so a cracked skull cooled him down
Few years later, there was another angry man who went storming into the Nasty Boys dressing room but the result was completely different. Colonel Parker tells that story as well. Yeah, you know who I'm talking about.
Somewhat true he was born Kenneth Wayne Kilpatrick. He had it changed to Shamrock which comes from the family that adopted him. Vinnie was a gimmick name however
Nobody noticed the loop hole in Shamrocks version? According to him, he kicks in the door. He walks in and gets laid out. He's unconcious. Doesn't remember a thing. Lights out. Yet somehow he knows that the two of them kicked the shit out of him while he was down and out. HOW?! When you're out you're out. You don't know what's going on. Not saying that didn't happen I wasn't there, but he contradicts himself in telling the story.
Because you would wake up bruises and cut up all over . Nasty boys were fat pieces of shit that couldn't wrestle they definitely stomped him while he was out.
The assumption is that he was knocked silly after the shot from the phone. It's totally possible that after the shot he was still aware enough to notice the fat fuck jumping off the bed to jump him. Dude had facial damage and broken ribs, that sounds like work of multiple people stomping and kicking him at the same time.
Getting KO'd doesnt mean you are out cold for an extended time. You can get knocked out for less than a second. However memory will usually be a little fuzzy for whatever happens afterwards.
Most likely that's just Ken making it sound like it took 2 guys. Nothing to be ashamed of if you went for one guy and his buddy KOed you from behind w a weapon. Ken would take them both 1 on 1, but lesson learned...the ring/cage is different than the street. No rules or refs to stop it either. Glad Ken is alive...sounds like just a bad situation in general.
He literally said I’ve been told the rest after the phone hit him. Literally all you had to do was listen to the video and you wouldn’t need to wonder.
The police might have seen this as self-defense, if someone breaks into your house or hotel room. I am not doubting Ken can beat these guys in a UFC match, however when you attack someone in their stronghold, they have a home team advantage.
According to Shamrock, he stayed in the bar another half hour then left, according to Parker, he was dragged out by the police. Just like a lot of this banter, their not both telling the truth now are they?
If when Ken Shamrock came through the door and then got hit with a phone, how does he know knobs got off the bed? How does he know that he wasn't passed out?
They were defending themselves. How do you jump someone who breaks into your place? In the Nasty Boys defense, they didn’t know the level of threat they were faced with.
The Nasty Boys always started fights and thought they were tough. But one time they came to my city (Peoria) and started trouble with the wrong people while driving around at night after a house show. They got beat with jumper cables and stabbed. Karma.
Honestly the way Robert Fuller explained it makes me mad just thinking about it. I mean maybe Ken shouldn't have pursued the situation looking back now. Even if he did kick their door in. They worked with and new Ken very well. Wasn't like he was some random guy they knew nothing about. To do a man like that especially after he's unconscious is so fucked up on their part. And I love The Nasty Boys Brian Knobs and Jerry Saggs. That's my child hood growing up watching them in WWF and WCW. It wasn't like they could have been thinking they should be in fear for their lives. See this was before Ken became the bad ass he was in Japan via Pancrase. And after of course the UFC. The World's Most Dangerous Man. Knobbs and Saggs are two 300+lb grown men. Just trying to understand the thinking process to do Ken this way.
Ken's version seems a little more reasonable..by the others own admission they were too drunk too remember anyway. In a real 1 vs 1 anyone with a brain knows Ken would fuck them up
HE GOT HIS AZZ HANDED TO HIM , ALL WITNESS SAY SAME STORY .....U GOT KNOCK THE FO .....IT WAS A ONE ON ONE ...BOTTOM LINE MR ULTIMATE FIGHTER 😂😂😂 ALL ROIDED UP.AN MEET HIS MATCH...AN GOT HANDED 😂😂
TO , Robert fuller, and ron fuller... in st. Louis I loved to watch you boys wrestle... you had a leg lock... hold that I have not seen used before.... why is this hold not being used...
I have a lot of respect for Ken Shamrock as a fighter and his career as one. But I have never seen an interview with him where he is not blaming someone or a situation for a fight loss.
I was there earlier the beef did not start at Plum Crazies. It started in the locker room before the match that night. It was over a girl that had been past around by the boys. They were separated in the locker room. I was the referee that night during the match when Vinnie ( Ken Shamrock stretched them both. One right after the other. He rubbed there faces in the mat. They didn't have a chance. They attacked him in the room because they were scared to death.. Ron Fuller is right I never have seen anyone face that messede up. Byron Scott George Scott"s son
The only people who believe Shamrock’s version are hardcore fans, or people who judge others based on lookism. The simple truth is Shamrock is just one of those mean drunks, who can’t handle his alcohol, that everybody knows to avoid at parties. He went to the Nasty Boys room to put Knobbs in the hospital and got his a$S whipped by Saggs, end of story. The only thing worst than losing a fight you started, is going around making excuses and whining about it the next day. He should just apologize and to the Nasty Boys and move on.., To the fans still on Shamrocks side, reverse the situation would you still be on his side? Say there are no rules in a Street fight? end of story…
Saggs had to use a weapon but it's Shamrocks fault for breaking into the room like a moron. No doubt Knobbs started it in the bar. They are all lucky this was before the internet and nobody got charged.
Its possible Knobs was out cold, Was even backed up by Parker by saying when he walked in and Knobs was on the bed out, Kens bell was rung, Even said he was out, Hard to wake up once you are knocked out, Boots to the head would ensure you was out, Am I saying Ken is lying? NO , He could easily be mistaken and actually believes what he says happened
I wouldn't keep bragging about that, because Ken can still kick there ass.
They can still get a phone at a flea market and hit him with it, too. There's two of them - all they have to do is one draw him in and the other hide.
Or swing their ass off. They aint small men no matter how old they are
What people don’t realize is even the greatest Fighters in the world can get their ass kicked by a street fighter. If you get a crazy enough person where anything goes it’s not like Brazilian jujitsu with those rules and you’re on the ground wrestling. Yes eye gouging elbows biting. Picking up the pipe anything heavy smashing it at someone’s face. Broken glass anything can be used chains. This is why I laugh when I hear why does Mayweather or why does Connor McGregor or why did Mohammad Ali have bodyguards?? Because the bodyguards were tougher than them that’s why
@@robertlulek1634 Your logic lol. They have bodyguards to prevent lawsuits. It a fan decides to attach them or approach them aggressively and they defend themselves who will get the blame in the America. Judicial system? Ali, Mayweather or Conor. Bodyguards prevent this.
They have to brag it's literally the highlight of their lives
Promise neither nasty boy would fight him one on one
This is the real world though and right or wrong you gotta be prepared...especially if YOU show up at 3am trying to fight🙏
I agree. However, the reason neither of them went to prison for that attack (which I believe was attempted murder) is because Ken was wrong for breaking in the door. Now maybe that's not how it went, maybe Saggs opened the door, but Ken himself said he busted it down. So right there, they have the right to defend themselves. Throwing him off the balcony is waaaay too far though. Especially once the guy is already knocked out! If that had happened, then we'd be talking about the murder of Shamrock instead.
@@BruceWayne-mh2qf fuck yeah batman
They would, they are very tough dudes, but they would lose lol.
Of course not. Big difference in a lard ass entertainer and a killer
If that dude was passed out how can he say his friend didn't call them to warm them that shamrock was coming to their room. I call 🐂💩
Exactly, they both attacked Ken
no matter what you say Ken shamrock has a certain class to him. deffinitley he went through a tough guy phase but its not like he would beat people down who didnt really deserve it you would have to be asking for it and shamrock would square up with you. he was someone who put MMA on the map and he was successful. i heard a story where he broke his back or neck in highschool and they said he would never play sports again. and he took that beeting from the nasty boys getting the boots put to him. hes with stood alot the average person wouldnt be here if they went through that. kens tough as nails
Shamrock is a punk
Yea it was in football or HS\college wrestling
From what Col. Parker said, Knobs was knocked out the whole time and Jerry Saggs hit Ken from behind with a telephone and then kicked Shamrock. So it's not like the Nasty Boys jumped him.
Ken has mellowed out over the last several years
I met him yesterday, he did motion capture for a new game at our wrestling school. SUPER CHIILL and down to Earth he was chatting like he knew us all forever. Shamrock is a true professional.
Ken did ask for a rematch and they didn't respond so 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️
I believe Ken Shamrock his version seems credible!!
*Credible
I believed my mom that there was a Tooth Fairy ! She didn't lie ... just didn't mention it was a 79yr man named Juan that lives in the Bronx and has a horrible tooth fetish !
@@brianyoung8354 bro🤣🤣🤣🤣
It was a typo I just noticed it thanks for the heads up I'm changing it right now!!
Yes !
So it wasnt a fair fight on either guy. Skaggs used a weapon from behind and they make it out like he kicked his ass man to man
Shamrock jumped on a guy who was sleeing an landed cheap shots. But you didn’t mention that.
No such thing as a fair fight..
@@iameverywhere9431he wasn't sleeping, that's a bullshit part of the story
@@JefferyAshmore
Sorry to disagree my friend, you don't hit someone from behind with a weapon
@aliamjon2550 you do if your life depends on it, this wasn't a friendly fight. Rules are for sport or a friendly fight where you don't want to hurt someone street fight anything goes.
Shamrock, full of rage, with no plan, comes barging into a room with two big crazy guys looking for a fight. Not smart.
Even if your name is Ken Shamrock.
Shamrock would fucking destroy anybody in professional wrestling in a real fight
@@deescott7418 pretty sure Brock Lesnar would put him away, come on man he ain't that tough.
@@deescott7418 Haku, Arn Anderson, Rick Rude😉
@@romper4444 @deescott was correct. Ken Shamrock is an OG MMA LEGEND. He fought in the essentially no-holds-barred era and was a winner. Lesnar has an average MMA record whereas Shamrock is phenomenal. Ken also fought against the real and original beast, Dan Severns. Both would obliterate almost any wrestler in any era, as they are real shooters. Severns was primarily a wrestler, while Shamrock mastered several techniques. The fact that a 300 pounder had to sneak a guy who was 215-225 should tell you how dangerous he was.
Anyway, New Jack kicked Knobbs butt for being inappropriate too. Evidently, he shouldn't drink because he has memory issues and personality changes. He and Jack were cool before the incident. Jack never forgave him according to recent shoot interviews.
I'd like to have a few beers with Colonel Parker and hear his wrestling stories.
He sounds like a guy who's full of shit, but will gladly talk anyone's ear off just to have the spotlight on him for a bit...
@@AJvsEverything fuck yeah and I bet he elaborates with some already incredible stories to layman. Id buy his drinks for a night
I've met him when I was in the business. He's a really cool guy.
his father and grandfather were wrestlers back in the olden days he must have stories about them too
Anyone else think shamrock looks a little bit like Robert de Niro?
Its- Showtime Not even close.
Its- Showtime 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
On meth...lol
Yeah, if Robert DeNiro was in about 1000 fistfights for a living and also survived being beaten to near death.
More like Michael Douglas !
Seems Shamrock is the only one who knows the story up to being hit with the phone. What kind of coward hits you from behind with one of those old giant hotel phones? This was years ago, when stuff wasn't made of thin, cheap plastic. Even the plastic was heavy duty and this stuff always had metal reinforcement on it. Frankly, I believe Shamrock's story more than anyone else. I can tell he's adding some stuff in to justify him going to the hotel, but for the most part, he seems legit in what he says. That Nobbs guy, you can just see liar all over his face.
Shamrock was the most dangerous man in the UFC in his prime. I just wish he would have retired and not come back. He was done, but his pride sent him into the ring with Ortiz, who was obviously in his prime at the time. Shamrock didn't stand a chance and it was a bad way to end a career. Had he been 10 years younger, then it would have been a match. Ortiz knew he was done and should have never agreed to fight him.
Shamrock also cut to 205 to fight Tito, which was a massive weight cut for him and probably drained him of a ton of his strength. Tito himself was even hesitant at the prospect of fighting Ken back in 1999 when all the shit between him and the Lion's Den first came to a head, specifically citing the fact that Ken was a good deal bigger than him. Several years worth of accumulated injuries from his time in the WWF certainly didn't help matters either. Ideally, Ken would've retired after his epic clash with Don Frye in Pride, as that would've been the ideal way to cap off a legendary career.
@@BestWayKilla Yeah, that 205-pound weight cut was a horrible idea for Shamrock. He looked awful too; totally drained. That weight cut probably took years off his career. And as far as Frye-Shamrock, I agree completely. As Frye said, neither one was the same after that.
@@BestWayKilla Tito always been a little bitch, no wonder he would only fight Ken when he had a clear advantage
@@tlars515 Tito would make you his b"tch in less than 30 seconds loser.
Agreed. I’m trying to figure out timing. This event was before original UFC in early mid 90s right? if so- no one that was old enough at the time would disagree with the statement that Shamrock, Royce Gracie, Dan Severn and Don Frey were DEADLY. A fight between any of these 4? Flip a coin. If Royce could wrap you up? Game over. If Ken got you on the ground? Game over. If Dan got a hold of you? Game over. If you tried to trade blows with Frey? Game over. I can’t argue with you going with Ken as most dangerous. I mean that was also his nickname. And contrary to what some may say? Any one of these 4- in their prime- would’ve destroyed Tito. Tito had skills no doubt. But the four I mentioned? The Mount Rushmore of OG UFC. Tito would’ve been wrecked.
Another great interview Hannibal! ,keep them coming
You'd think Ken could remember the name of Robert Fuller, considering he most likely saved his life.
He was out cold. Lmao he probably didn't remember the hotel name for days🤣🤣
@@scottmiller4859 but he’s telling the story YEARS later……
CT
*You wouldn't remember anything if you got hit in the head that much either.*
@@Pokedad76Yes. Up to the point he remembers. Genius. 😂
Having anger when you are recovering from injuries can harm you further
Im surprised that xpac wasn't there.
He was.
He was the fucking girlfriend 😅😅😅😅
@@scottmiller4859 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 brilliant...this whole thread is hilarious 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
Dude said that they didn't get a phone call warning but also said that he was passed out.
2 be fair Ken said they were both kicking him but said he was already knocked out by the phone.
@@m3anmug You can receive a concussion, be semi-conscious, in a state that would be considered knocked out in any combat sport (which Shamrock participates in), without being completely unconscious.
@@m3anmug
Obviously they were, knobs wasn't passed out, that part of the story was bullshit, saggs cheap shot ken and they both attacked him
If every bar in america had a bouncer like HAKU. there be no problems 😊
Cap… he’s not bulletproof
Haku is a shirt and tie businessman type not a bouncer. Just because he got into a fight with an average built everyday man in a bar once and almost gouged his eye out. Which anybody can do as the eye is of the most delicate, easily injured part of the body. The story snowballed every time someone told it on the Internet, adding more to it each time. Doesn't mean the guy's the toughest man to ever live.
Colonel Parker knows how to tell a story !
How to B. S. all day.
"I was sleep dee-priv-ed"
-Brian Knobbs
Depriven
I thought Ken shamrock was Al Bundy with glasses in the pic
You know, if you combined all of their stories, you might actually get something that resembles the truth.
I'm with you I think the truth is a combination of both stories.
@mandolinman2006 like that old saying goes,there's your side,my side and then there's the truth.its like who u believe
@@paulsmith9192 one analogy I've heard is a correction to the "there's two sides to every coin" statement. The correction is that there's the edge, which is between the two sides.
@@quickenmyend
It's a combination but the one thing that it is for sure is that Ken got beat up pretty badly and that most likely Sags was trying to throw him over the railing.
Chilling. An actual example of different sides of the story
And Parker says Knobbs got up and didn't know anything happened...with those walls 'splattered with blood. Uh-huh.
Knobbs lyin. He immediately started trash talkin col parker when he found out dude set him out
I could listen to Col Parker tell stories all day.
You’re the only one
@@dinakabrendanandcameraguy3012 no he is not the only one YOU PUNK!
@@dinakabrendanandcameraguy3012 And I don't hardly believe his storytelling either.
Fuller's story is the truth.
@@jefferyorton1723 were you there?
Anyone notice how Col Parker said the girl was everyone’s girl so I guess that made it ok to harass the girl....
Charles Fonska yep I thought the same thing. All those guys are creepy. Not Ken he’s seems o.k.
great, a sjw
If you're looking for the Enlightened Male, you're in the wrong part of TH-cam.
yes
Funny how the only story that sounds remotely true is from the guy who took the whooping. Normally it's the other way. They must have done some dirty crap.
@@kevinkelly1529 OJ Simpson is a Hero! I'm divorced and she was a horrible person and if I had the $$$ at the time............ I would've bought that fishing boat I wanted 😁
@@kevinkelly1529 OJ is innocent
@@shonnonwootensr.7762 ain't they all
what the fuck are these replies?
Shamrock was nearly killed from this incident.
Col. Robert Parker… wow man. Here’s an idea: You bring in a Texas chainsaw massacre character type into WWE and the game will change. Real good to see this dude.
I 2nd that!
There have been a number of them. I believe Chainsaw Charlie and Mankind were both influenced by Texas Chainsaw Massacre, as well as possibly Kane and The Abyss.
That's chicken shit hitting a man from behind with a heavy object..
As much as I love Shamrock... there is no such thing as a fair fight, especially when somebody is breaking the door to your room down. It isn't a match, it's a fight. They almost killed him, and I'm sure Kenny would've fucked them up just as bad of they didn't crack him in the back of the head.
I'm not saying I'd ever piss of Ken Shamrock the way they did, but if Ken Shamrock is breaking my door down, I'm bashing the shit out of him in the back of the head.
@g-mancollections5264 it was weak. They knew shamrock would kill them in a fair fight.
Knobs looks like the fat vampire from the movie Blade
Ken should've went for the guy awake first.
I think he was behind the door.
The guy awake was hiding
I can’t believe no one has commented on how he is interviewing in yellow shorts that he shows when he’s telling the story.
Something about shamrock story isn't matching up completely with knobs and the old man's story..
well i mean if you black out you only know what you’re told later on. his story matches up with col parkers enough and the story about their meaning later billy gunn has the same story abt that as shamrock
Devon Nicholson Vs Ken Shamrock
The way he said sorry.....
I'm sorry.... He sounded like he meant it lol..... Why did that make me laugh so hard
It looks like Shamrock stole the glasses from Humpty from Digital Underground.
Damn. Lol
Mc Search
lol i didnt know colonel parker was still alive damn he must be old
I belive shamrock
His story lines up far better with everyone else that was there then the nasty turds does.
@@igorivanov299 Your an idiot & have never obviously been beat the fuck up. I can remember several times being in brawls & quickly in/out of it, how's that seem far fetched not like the first hit he was out cold. He is a fucking former ufc champ u act like he's some fat, fake wrestler like saggy titties & knob slob.
@@igorivanov299 bro say that to shamrocks face
@@chunky9791 Yeah I got knocked out one time. I was only out for probably less than a second but yeah everyone acts like getting knocked out automatically means you are out cold for an extended period of time.
Saggs a legit savage as the road warriors
Col. Parker could tell me about the time he picked up eggs and milk from the grocery store and I'd hang on every word.
This is the equivalent of Mike Tyson getting beaten up by The Bushwackers lol
This made me laugh at how accurate of a description. I could see those 2 doing that walk out after beating him
Why say that. Wrestling is entertainment. These guys are all men. No one is a pussy. Anything can happen. Ken found out the hard way.
Sags is apparently a tough guy in real life. Just cos someone aint mma trained dont mean they cant be tough fuckers. Believe shamrock tbh,weapons used,2 on 1,though he got what he deserved tbh, he instigated violence,nasty boys twatted him.
Colonel Parker, goddamn that man can weave a story
Ken should of had X-Pac and New Jack with him as backup
Just New Jack would have been fine, or if Ken had common sense to know the guy your brushing by to attack another guy is that guys tag team partner/best friend and might do a little more than pull him off. Ken should have KOed Saggs on his way to Knobbs but he wasn't thinking because of anger and alcohol.
I doubt Ken was thinking, I better get somebody to shit in their bags, where's X-Pac.
Well if you want to possibly witness a murder then you bring new jack
@@nothx962 ScamRock got beat up by Saggs
@@vinnymac7565 lmfao 😂😂😂
Ken looks like Al Bundy in the video thumbnail 😂
6:36 my money is on: dude had realized right before other guy walked in how bad he messed him up and in his drunken panic was dead ass about to yeet him off the balcony and say he fell or somethin lmfao
This is how some of those so called wrestling suicides happen. Another wrestler kills them and stage a suicidal death. No one will ever check into it.
What exactly happened with Brian?
Got any proof?
@@1roundleft821 Invader killing of Brody! Then the people that conspired to kill Brody wanted to kill Tony Atlas!
what a great interview, thanks.
I always loved The NASTY BOYS, how ever, both NASTY BOYS,,, in a strength up fight, Kinney would kill the NASTY BOYS at the same time!!!!!
The Colonel is just sitting there in his boxers?
It wasn't shamrocks girlfriend, it was a friend of shamrocks girlfriend
Vince should have made Shamrock and Severn the ultimate heel superstars. They were legit fighters who looked the part and walked the walk. As a fan I had so much respect for Shamrock just because I knew in a real fight no one in the era could hang with him besides Dan. Also the little bit Ken was on Raw, he was doing good, even though they were kind of jobbing him out towards the end.
used a phone cause no way they would be able to fight ken hand to hand
Sure he used the phone but in a real fight their is no rules.
If someone is trying to seriously harm you, you don't concern yourself about fighting "hand to hand". If anybody breaks my door down wanting to hurt me or my family, I'm going to point my 12 gauge at them and fill them full of buckshot. I don't really care how "honorable" it is at that point. I'm not defending the Nasty Boys either, it sounds like they started the whole thing by being drunk assholes and assaulting a woman, but once this got to a point where someone is breaking down your hotel room door looking to hurt you, the whole lets step outside a settle this like honorable men is long past.
That is it in a fight a real fight anything is consider anything because you are thinking about your life so you pick up a Cup old mob guys say the same thing!
Ohhh. But somehow mma is real fight because of kicks and grappling? In the streets anything goes. Now you want just hands
@@rickphilly1975 lol yeah MMA fans always get me with "in a real fight". Hogwash. In a real fight anything goes, and even the most legit and decorated UFC fighters can get owned under the right circumstances (or wrong circumstances). There is no ref, no coaches, no one to break up a fight if things go south. No time limits. No rules.
Still cowards hitting home from behind , once he was out done with. Too keep going ? Almost kill him ? Ken I would have got them back, you're a good man
You'd think they would listen to that dogs side also.. lol
Ha ha ha. I hate those kind a dogs.
"When Keeping It Real Goes Wrong" 🤣
Its always an excuse with ken shamrock always a fucking excuse
I believe Ken's side also, but I find it funny that everyone is saying he is the only one who seems to be telling the truth.
All that sticks out to me is how Shamrock said he saw knobbs passed out on the bed and then the last thing he remembered was being out cold after the phone to the back of the head. Then he says after that the "other one" got up and started kicking him too.
If the lights went out after contact, he would've never known they both beat him.
In the interview before Shamrock's, it was said that he HEARD them putting boots to Shamrock, which is likely how Shamrock found out he had the boots put to him. He was told.
@@billywashere6965 He was told by whom? Colonel Parker said Knobbs was passed out.
@@levih7326 No, pay close attention to what Parker says, he says that Knobbs was either passed out or knocked out, he couldn't tell, just that his feet were hanging off the bed. But Knobbs' face was all bloody, where he ASSUMED Shamrock had beat the mess out of him before getting clocked over the head with the steel-plate telephone.
@@billywashere6965 If we are paying close attention...
Then how could he have gone in, beat up Knobbs, then got clocked with the phone and then Knobbs helps put the boots to him, then is knocked out again?
If Shamrock's lights were turned out and they both put the boots to him, how is knobbs now knocked out? LOL.
@@levih7326 Actually, it's possible Shamrock came in, beat the snot out of Knobbs, got clocked over the head, and after Knobbs got beat up, he woke up and him and Skaggs put the boots to Shamrock for a little, and then Knobbs passed out again.
Skaggs then proceeded to drag Shamrock out of the room to dump him over the railing. That doesn't seem completely unreasonable given Knobbs was already in a drunken stupor, and probably wasn't very coherent after getting knocked around a bit by Shamrock.
Bro those nasty boys are heavenly lucky that this was a young Ken shamrock they tried to bully or play around with and eventually beat up. Because in gods truth if that was the UFC icon version of shamrock they would’ve ended up in a grave somewhere.
So that’s a blessing for them
Hence why when Ken asked for a rematch fight with them in 1997 they completely refused and one of them even tried to apologize !!
Moral of the story, don’t kick in doors and expect a peaceful resolution.
Im 6'6" 260 lbs. Ken Shamrock scares the hell out of me. Hearing him say a 260 lb security guard stopped him is crazy to me.
cause once your locked in a position, it's not easy to get out of it because at times brute force wins
You’d be surprised even though ken is jacked and strong and can fight he’s not an enormous man overall and there’s a reason there are weight divisions in ever physical combat sport. I’m not saying I want to tangle with him but in the right circumstances, the bigger man will overcome him
if ScamRock scares you , perhaps you should man up seriously ....Jerry Saggs would give you a heart attack ..
@@CP-kb1duthere's a fine line between being brave and stupid.
@@TheEnderBand
That is the biggest falsehood, I've heard personally seen a 160lb guy face off with a guy at least 260lbs at least a 100lbs heavier the guy was and the smaller guy knocked him out, the guy didn't know where he was for about 10 minutes, by the way the bigger guy had a reputation where he was from as being a tough guy
I really wish Ken would’ve caught up to these dudes under shadier circumstances and handled that.
Shamrock can't even keep his own story straight and it simply isn't corroborated by other accounts of the event.
What do you mean? All of the other accounts of it are pretty much his account.
@@g-manjams I feel like Shamrock contradicts himself. He recounts, with amazing detail, events that occurred while he claimed to be knocked unconscious...which is preposterous. If his claim is that he was knocked out by a phone upon entering...he can't provide witness to the rest. It becomes a he-said she said and there's not any real evidence either way.
But, I'll tell you this; if you kick in someone's hotel room door looking for trouble...you probably deserve an ass kicking.
@@bloodstripemedia He didn't say he recounts what happened after getting knocked out by the phone, the parts after that were what he was told by others. Why can't you dummies get it? The entire comments section is filled with dummies confused by the same thing. He never said he saw what happened after he got ko'd by the phone.
Once Shamrock breaks in that room what did he think would happen. They would let him beat them up. Terrible situation, nasty boys were wrong touching the girl, but Shamrock never cooled down, so a cracked skull cooled him down
Met the Nasty Boys backstage Skid Row at the Rocket club '89
Few years later, there was another angry man who went storming into the Nasty Boys dressing room but the result was completely different. Colonel Parker tells that story as well. Yeah, you know who I'm talking about.
So his name isn't really Ken Shamrock...WOW 😱
Somewhat true he was born Kenneth Wayne Kilpatrick. He had it changed to Shamrock which comes from the family that adopted him. Vinnie was a gimmick name however
@@McBla5t3rs0n That's good to know
Why no Saggs interview?
I don't understand why Shamrock didn't show any appreciation for the man who stopped the attempted murder of Ken Shamrock. Colonel parker
@@kevinkelly1529 it makes sense to me
He acknowledged in his interview that he would’ve been dead if Colonel Parker hadn’t shown up.
On the street anything goes. He who hits first and hardest, wins. Check that ego.
Nobody noticed the loop hole in Shamrocks version?
According to him, he kicks in the door. He walks in and gets laid out.
He's unconcious. Doesn't remember a thing. Lights out.
Yet somehow he knows that the two of them kicked the shit out of him while he was down and out.
HOW?! When you're out you're out. You don't know what's going on.
Not saying that didn't happen I wasn't there, but he contradicts himself in telling the story.
Because you would wake up bruises and cut up all over . Nasty boys were fat pieces of shit that couldn't wrestle they definitely stomped him while he was out.
If Shamrock was KOd from the phone how does he know Knobbs got up off the bed?
The assumption is that he was knocked silly after the shot from the phone. It's totally possible that after the shot he was still aware enough to notice the fat fuck jumping off the bed to jump him.
Dude had facial damage and broken ribs, that sounds like work of multiple people stomping and kicking him at the same time.
12:45 listen carefully to what he says.
Getting KO'd doesnt mean you are out cold for an extended time. You can get knocked out for less than a second. However memory will usually be a little fuzzy for whatever happens afterwards.
I wonder how he knew knobs was kicking him after being knocked out
Most likely that's just Ken making it sound like it took 2 guys. Nothing to be ashamed of if you went for one guy and his buddy KOed you from behind w a weapon. Ken would take them both 1 on 1, but lesson learned...the ring/cage is different than the street. No rules or refs to stop it either. Glad Ken is alive...sounds like just a bad situation in general.
He literally said I’ve been told the rest after the phone hit him. Literally all you had to do was listen to the video and you wouldn’t need to wonder.
@@nothx962 nail on the head.
I think Knobbs was stone cold knocked out from heaving drinking and the pills.
Moral of the story is. Dont mess with friends of Jerry sags! He's one tough customer. I've heard other stories of Sags hurting people
The police might have seen this as self-defense, if someone breaks into your house or hotel room. I am not doubting Ken can beat these guys in a UFC match, however when you attack someone in their stronghold, they have a home team advantage.
According to Shamrock, he stayed in the bar another half hour then left, according to Parker, he was dragged out by the police. Just like a lot of this banter, their not both telling the truth now are they?
Shamrock could beat knobbs but saggs I don't think so.
If when Ken Shamrock came through the door and then got hit with a phone, how does he know knobs got off the bed? How does he know that he wasn't passed out?
He said he was told what happened after he was hit
Ken is such a bullshitter, he is not good at mixing truth with lies
I like them all, but honestly, they all had issues with anger, boundaries, and laws.
I've only ever heard the ken shamrock version. There was another call with the nasty boys but they seemed to ramble alot.
Both times you can tell knobbs is lying you can see it in his eyes
an easier way to tell that he is lying is if his lips are moving.
brian knobbs body- slams coherent speech. listen just set-up an mma match between shamrock and the nasties and squash it that way.
You want good Ole Kenny to go to jail for 2 counts of murder in the 1st degree........lololol
He got jumped by two losers
They were defending themselves. How do you jump someone who breaks into your place? In the Nasty Boys defense, they didn’t know the level of threat they were faced with.
The Nasty Boys always started fights and thought they were tough. But one time they came to my city (Peoria) and started trouble with the wrong people while driving around at night after a house show. They got beat with jumper cables and stabbed. Karma.
“Sleep depriv-id at the time” @0:16
He(Ken Shamrock) was 50 cent bodyguard for 2 years after that incident I believe..
For real? You serious?
Ken Shamrock (born Kenneth Wayne Kilpatrick; February 11, 1964 Who is Vinny??
Honestly the way Robert Fuller explained it makes me mad just thinking about it. I mean maybe Ken shouldn't have pursued the situation looking back now. Even if he did kick their door in. They worked with and new Ken very well. Wasn't like he was some random guy they knew nothing about. To do a man like that especially after he's unconscious is so fucked up on their part. And I love The Nasty Boys Brian Knobs and Jerry Saggs. That's my child hood growing up watching them in WWF and WCW. It wasn't like they could have been thinking they should be in fear for their lives. See this was before Ken became the bad ass he was in Japan via Pancrase. And after of course the UFC. The World's Most Dangerous Man. Knobbs and Saggs are two 300+lb grown men. Just trying to understand the thinking process to do Ken this way.
Ken's version seems a little more reasonable..by the others own admission they were too drunk too remember anyway. In a real 1 vs 1 anyone with a brain knows Ken would fuck them up
HE GOT HIS AZZ HANDED TO HIM , ALL WITNESS SAY SAME STORY .....U GOT KNOCK THE FO .....IT WAS A ONE ON ONE ...BOTTOM LINE MR ULTIMATE FIGHTER 😂😂😂 ALL ROIDED UP.AN MEET HIS MATCH...AN GOT HANDED 😂😂
TO , Robert fuller, and ron fuller... in st. Louis I loved to watch you boys wrestle... you had a leg lock... hold that I have not seen used before.... why is this hold not being used...
Steve Austin used it in WCW
How did he go on to fight again after that , the damage done sounds horrendous .
There simply is no way that either Nasty Boy could take Ken in a straight up fight...
Put Ken shamrock in the hall of fame
I have a lot of respect for Ken Shamrock as a fighter and his career as one. But I have never seen an interview with him where he is not blaming someone or a situation for a fight loss.
How was this 1989?
NAWA DAYS I THINK
When Ken was Vince Torelli
I was there earlier the beef did not start at Plum Crazies. It started in the locker room before the match that night. It was over a girl that had been past around by the boys. They were separated in the locker room. I was the referee that night during the match when Vinnie ( Ken Shamrock stretched them both. One right after the other. He rubbed there faces in the mat. They didn't have a chance. They attacked him in the room because they were scared to death.. Ron Fuller is right I never have seen anyone face that messede up. Byron Scott George Scott"s son
Wasnt this 1 of the dudes that got beat up on national tv by Ron Simmons and Bradshaw?
The only people who believe Shamrock’s version are hardcore fans, or people who judge others based on lookism. The simple truth is Shamrock is just one of those mean drunks, who can’t handle his alcohol, that everybody knows to avoid at parties. He went to the Nasty Boys room to put Knobbs in the hospital and got his a$S whipped by Saggs, end of story. The only thing worst than losing a fight you started, is going around making excuses and whining about it the next day. He should just apologize and to the Nasty Boys and move on.., To the fans still on Shamrocks side, reverse the situation would you still be on his side? Say there are no rules in a Street fight? end of story…
Saggs had to use a weapon but it's Shamrocks fault for breaking into the room like a moron. No doubt Knobbs started it in the bar. They are all lucky this was before the internet and nobody got charged.
The Worlds Most Dangerous Man Jerry Saggs 1 Ken Scamrock 0
That was the phoniest shoot fight ever.
Its possible Knobs was out cold, Was even backed up by Parker by saying when he walked in and Knobs was on the bed out,
Kens bell was rung, Even said he was out, Hard to wake up once you are knocked out, Boots to the head would ensure you was out,
Am I saying Ken is lying? NO , He could easily be mistaken and actually believes what he says happened