Heavenly creator, we come before You today to ask for Your protection over all firefighters. Lord, as they face dangerous situations and risk their lives to save others, we pray that You would be their shield and defender. Keep them safe from harm and watch over them as they carry out their duties. Amen.
He knows how to start fires too which is why there was a bunch of fires and Canada They will wiping out forests to open it up to fill it full of immigrants that they're going to flood in to replace the Canadians that were born there...
It takes time to deploy prison crews. The temperature is 110+. Putting people out in front of wildland fires without breathing gear & protection from flying embers might seem feasible to you but it sounds like a planned disaster to me. Firefighting requires training, supervision, & expensive gear otherwise you're just creating more potential casualties requiring rescue & resuscitation. Prison camp crews have their uses but they are limited.
@@dbyers3897 I didn't mean put them out there on the Fire line...I meant before hand. Morning crews can be doing brush clearance everyday/week for months before fire season. I agree it's a Special person who becomes a fire fighter 👍
Whilst not there, the air footage shows a simple case of a drip torch and use of a back-burn would have stopped it on the top side and ring in the rest from road edge, water only needed for blackening top side and mopping up. Not a criticism comment, just a suggestion of the old saying, fight fire with fire.
Please understand this is the middle of nowhere. There are other huge fires. After all the rains from the winter, there is more brush than I've ever seen here. And you cam see it's windy. Fires can start from a trailer chain dragging to a down powerline. It's natural and brutal. I live an hour from this fire. Good luck to all involved!
They stopped it and that is what counts. Grass fires like this are tailor made for water tankers with bumper nozzles. Wish we could have watched one of those work on this, but they knocked it down with what they had!
One thing I have noticed is how poor the accuracy of LA county/City helicopters are vs contract helicopters. Look at the opening drop. WHAT THE HECK WAS THAT??? There needs to be some kind of rating system for accuracy, not close enough with an 80% miss to keep the fire going.
They should drop the water onto the unburnt grass slightly downwind from the flames, thus forming a barrier to stop further spread. To the onlooker, this is not always obvious. Dropping the water onto the high flames looks good, but if they miss the edge it is pointless and the fire will continue to spread.
Rotor-wing aircraft are of limited use for firefighting under these conditions. Too hot & windy to be very effective. They are actually unnecessary at this incident. If this fire was in rugged terrain where ground crews had difficulty gaining access, then yes, they'd be of some use. The most effective aircraft have been the CL-415 "Super Scoopers" which can fill faster & deliver more water per hour than any other aircraft provided a suitable source is near. They were purposefully designed for aerial firefighting but very costly to purchase. Almost all other aircraft were adapted or converted to be used as air tankers. The AW139s purchased by LAFD are not a good choice for this role. Very costly to purchase, operate, & repair, complex to train pilots, & carry very limited quantities of water. The downwash from a large helicopter is considerable & helps to fan the flames as well as aerosolize the dropped water. Blow aerosolized water into an open flame (while outside) & see what happens. The water rapidly evaporates releasing oxygen from the H2O molecules. It has some cooling effect but it won't be noticeable in this intense desert heat. Dozers clearing wide breaks & large volume retardant drops ahead of a fire are about the most effective & efficient means of controlling fast-moving wildlland conflagration.
@@wilsjanethey are much better off using fire retardant if they are going to do that. Unfortunately dropping water ahead of the fire most likely won't work, due to the hot convection column sweeping over the unburnt fuel ahead of the fire and causing it to dry out. I'm a new rural fire fighter in Australia (close to a year) and from my limited experience so far, it's so much harder keeping a fire out than you realise. I honestly can't believe how much water you need to put on something to keep it from taking off again.
Water is the least effective means to fight wildfires! People need to start using liquid water+clay solution to stop wildfires. Liquid clay sprayed on top of fire prevents oxygen flow, retains water for a long time helping the surface to stay wet and it is a natural product with no harm to the environment!
Not really. They drop water straight on the fire, but that Red powder, dont know whats called around the fire. There no point of dropping water next to fire. Bc of the heat water dissapear s in a second or two.
In Monterey county our CAL FIRE rigs were setup for mobile pumping operations where we had the plumbing setup with discharge nozzles on the full peripheray and allowed us to extinquish wheat field fires that move too fast to keep up with a flanking pincer movement so our engine's performed flanking by driving the engine and application of water at the dam moment to cool the Base the ignition point The US Marine Corps has a similar setup on the large outback gunner ranges set in the dry sage brush areas of Camp Pendleton on the Cleveland National Forest in Orange and San Diego county and use 1200 gallon deuce and a half Mobil pumping operations with huge nozzles setup to apply high volume hydrologic atmospheric steam conversion manual transmission fluid electrodynamically linked filing cabinet systems to cool the echo maps Fire records
Its a "scrub brush fire blowing backward onto itself. Give out free beer at the local bar and there will be more than enough "fire hoses to put out this fire" Farmers regularly do this kind of burn to get rid of the scrub. Then they plough the ground and grow a crop of something.
reading some of the comments in the chat makes me laugh and at the same time pisses me off why must everything be made political... its a freaking wildfire that could easy start from a piece of glass on the ground to a spark from a power line nothing is political about it people need to grow the heck up
Hey Cody ,you know this how? Fires are being set deliberately all over the west by actavists that are working for some nefarious people that have a climate agenda. Tell sane people it's not political with out know makes you look foolish.
@ 3:42 looks like the fields the fire ripped through before it got to the area with scattered shrubs may be where they have applied sewage sludge in the past
Listen to what you just said did here in United States of America wish I'm referring to American citizens there's a bunch of them according to you they did not even know their name? And you always bashing and making fun of other people and other countries
@@imtheeastgermanguy5431 well there's no Wildlife there can't you see the people that live around it bunch of poachers meth labs and personal landfills
Those trucks really aren't made for grass fires 😂😂 LAFD should be taking notes from the CFA in Australia that have tankers that can pump and roll with crews working from the deck... and the ability to have surge capacity to all fires. A fire like that here in Victoria would have 30 trucks on it within 20minutes
20 min? That would get you to a gas station. No fire station with 30 tankers near that area. But every place is exactly like where u live. I guess. This is the Antelope valley.
Engine 136 begins attacking the fire really fast what is good, but if it was me I would have started behind while still in the black.The way to put out a fire like this is in pump and roll or we never win,. This type of fire is fighted with a short hose and the vehicles always moving and to be more effective a little of foam small percentage 0,1%-0,3% just to wet better the grass this way we use less water and can stay fighting for longer time. This is the way we do it. If the fire is too intense we help with the front bumper turret. I like a lot to fight this fires.
I see pulling maybe 100 ft hose by a single FF this is a mistake. We have a 6x6 with over 2000 gallons of water and 250 gallons of foam with bumper turret and roof monitor besides ground nozzles it would be the perfect pumper for this kind of fire, but even with type 1 is possible to do a good job ... now pulling. long extensions of hose doesn't work in this type of fires
@@boathousejoed1126 You know sand is a filter and different plants have different tolerances to their environment? The plains of the high desert don’t have those, neither does your lawn. Prove me wrong and go spread salt on your front lawn.
No wonder you guys always have fires burning! Your brush crews suck! Our volunteer brush crews here in kansas would have that fire under control in no time!
Thank you for your great reporting. 🙏ing for our local firefighters.
Great work by the bravery of the firefighters, the water bombers and of CAL Fire.
Pray 🙏🏻 that our firefighters 🚒 stay safe🙏🏻🇺🇸
I'm just happy none of those meth labs were damaged.🙏
Yeah no fence around the property but he sure has a nice fancy gate right at the driveway @@cluckhead1913
Well done LA County Fire 👏. Great aggressive firefighting. Especially the engine out at the head of the fire
Engine 136 did a bang up job around the 6 minute mark.
Heavenly creator, we come before You today to ask for Your protection over all firefighters. Lord, as they face dangerous situations and risk their lives to save others, we pray that You would be their shield and defender. Keep them safe from harm and watch over them as they carry out their duties. Amen.
The value of the Fire Copters is becoming more apparent daily. You saw this on this clip.
He knows how to start fires too which is why there was a bunch of fires and Canada They will wiping out forests to open it up to fill it full of immigrants that they're going to flood in to replace the Canadians that were born there...
What I saw at 0:09 was a Fire Copter completely missing the flame front.
Also a decent training for its crew. They missed almost every time and the water hit nothing....
Great work 👍 I still think it's a good idea to bring out Prisoners to do brush clearance...they could be a big help and be out of a cell for a while.
There are at least 32 prisoner based fire camps with 4 or more crews per camp in California.
It takes time to deploy prison crews. The temperature is 110+. Putting people out in front of wildland fires without breathing gear & protection from flying embers might seem feasible to you but it sounds like a planned disaster to me. Firefighting requires training, supervision, & expensive gear otherwise you're just creating more potential casualties requiring rescue & resuscitation. Prison camp crews have their uses but they are limited.
@@dbyers3897 I didn't mean put them out there on the Fire line...I meant before hand. Morning crews can be doing brush clearance everyday/week for months before fire season. I agree it's a Special person who becomes a fire fighter 👍
then cal fire wouldnt make money putting out the fire
Yeah and then you can go and buy a bunch of burgers and stuff and come over and cater to them
Whilst not there, the air footage shows a simple case of a drip torch and use of a back-burn would have stopped it on the top side and ring in the rest from road edge, water only needed for blackening top side and mopping up. Not a criticism comment, just a suggestion of the old saying, fight fire with fire.
Please understand this is the middle of nowhere. There are other huge fires.
After all the rains from the winter, there is more brush than I've ever seen here.
And you cam see it's windy. Fires can start from a trailer chain dragging to a down powerline. It's natural and brutal. I live an hour from this fire.
Good luck to all involved!
They stopped it and that is what counts. Grass fires like this are tailor made for water tankers with bumper nozzles. Wish we could have watched one of those work on this, but they knocked it down with what they had!
One thing I have noticed is how poor the accuracy of LA county/City helicopters are vs contract helicopters. Look at the opening drop. WHAT THE HECK WAS THAT??? There needs to be some kind of rating system for accuracy, not close enough with an 80% miss to keep the fire going.
They should drop the water onto the unburnt grass slightly downwind from the flames, thus forming a barrier to stop further spread. To the onlooker, this is not always obvious.
Dropping the water onto the high flames looks good, but if they miss the edge it is pointless and the fire will continue to spread.
Rotor-wing aircraft are of limited use for firefighting under these conditions. Too hot & windy to be very effective. They are actually unnecessary at this incident. If this fire was in rugged terrain where ground crews had difficulty gaining access, then yes, they'd be of some use. The most effective aircraft have been the CL-415 "Super Scoopers" which can fill faster & deliver more water per hour than any other aircraft provided a suitable source is near. They were purposefully designed for aerial firefighting but very costly to purchase. Almost all other aircraft were adapted or converted to be used as air tankers. The AW139s purchased by LAFD are not a good choice for this role. Very costly to purchase, operate, & repair, complex to train pilots, & carry very limited quantities of water. The downwash from a large helicopter is considerable & helps to fan the flames as well as aerosolize the dropped water. Blow aerosolized water into an open flame (while outside) & see what happens. The water rapidly evaporates releasing oxygen from the H2O molecules. It has some cooling effect but it won't be noticeable in this intense desert heat. Dozers clearing wide breaks & large volume retardant drops ahead of a fire are about the most effective & efficient means of controlling fast-moving wildlland conflagration.
Do you know why this leads to forest fires here?
@@wilsjanethey are much better off using fire retardant if they are going to do that. Unfortunately dropping water ahead of the fire most likely won't work, due to the hot convection column sweeping over the unburnt fuel ahead of the fire and causing it to dry out. I'm a new rural fire fighter in Australia (close to a year) and from my limited experience so far, it's so much harder keeping a fire out than you realise. I honestly can't believe how much water you need to put on something to keep it from taking off again.
Water is the least effective means to fight wildfires! People need to start using liquid water+clay solution to stop wildfires. Liquid clay sprayed on top of fire prevents oxygen flow, retains water for a long time helping the surface to stay wet and it is a natural product with no harm to the environment!
That water drop was right on target. The idea of a water drop is to put on the flames
Not really. They drop water straight on the fire, but that Red powder, dont know whats called around the fire. There no point of dropping water next to fire. Bc of the heat water dissapear s in a second or two.
In Monterey county our CAL FIRE rigs were setup for mobile pumping operations where we had the plumbing setup with discharge nozzles on the full peripheray and allowed us to extinquish wheat field fires that move too fast to keep up with a flanking pincer movement so our engine's performed flanking by driving the engine and application of water at the dam moment to cool the Base the ignition point
The US Marine Corps has a similar setup on the large outback gunner ranges set in the dry sage brush areas of Camp Pendleton on the Cleveland National Forest in Orange and San Diego county and use 1200 gallon deuce and a half Mobil pumping operations with huge nozzles setup to apply high volume hydrologic atmospheric steam conversion manual transmission fluid electrodynamically linked filing cabinet systems to cool the echo maps Fire records
I could have sworn I seen a body right on the edge of the fire line
Its a "scrub brush fire blowing backward onto itself. Give out free beer at the local bar and there will be more than enough "fire hoses to put out this fire" Farmers regularly do this kind of burn to get rid of the scrub. Then they plough the ground and grow a crop of something.
Stay Safe Fire Fighters and residents. Praying it’s put out quickly. 🤍🙏🏽
reading some of the comments in the chat makes me laugh and at the same time pisses me off why must everything be made political... its a freaking wildfire that could easy start from a piece of glass on the ground to a spark from a power line nothing is political about it people need to grow the heck up
Hey Cody ,you know this how? Fires are being set deliberately all over the west by actavists that are working for some nefarious people that have a climate agenda. Tell sane people it's not political with out know makes you look foolish.
A lot of people on the right seem to celebrate any natural disaster that happens in a "blue" state. Sick people.
People who spam the chat with political junk are reported and blocked.
Better let Joe and Hunter know about that.
Yeah go ahead and block me and report me then I think you're the one that spamming around here
@@cluckhead1913I'll be right there let me go tell them I'll come back and let you know
113° not easy to fly in those gusty winds
Great job , they are heroes .
Well that was a cleat miss with copter drop !
Antelope Valley, where the antelopes have been eliminated by Homo sapiens with guns.
The fire is contained by the dirt roads around it + lol @ the helicopter pilot completely missing the flames
@ 3:42 looks like the fields the fire ripped through before it got to the area with scattered shrubs may be where they have applied sewage sludge in the past
It’s sad we in California always have fires 🔥
Dollar menu, 1 star news coverage by ABC7. Way to go.
How close is it to Leona Valley?
THERES SOMETHIN SPECIAL ABOUT FOLKS WHO RISK THEIR LIVES FOR PEOPLE WHO DONT EVEN KNOW THEIR NAMES
It's a job they love
Listen to what you just said did here in United States of America wish I'm referring to American citizens there's a bunch of them according to you they did not even know their name? And you always bashing and making fun of other people and other countries
@@JAGJAG1265 chump, dont talk like you know me or anything about me, sad lil internet troll, got nothin to do be be a chump all day, lol
That guy might as well be possing on that fire!
Sorry. But Florida has special trucks for this kind of fire. Could have had it out and contained in an hour or so
Yeah you got a point I think it'll be faster to go to Florida and bring some trucks to California to put out that fire
@ 13:50 .. How many of these " Firemen are Saying; " Oh .. [ In the winter ] " Why can't my Fireplace be like This " ? !
Starting where it did I’d that looks like a big long cigarette
A fire in the desert? Newsome needs to make fires illegal and start taxing those with lighters
Why is there so much dry grass? Where are the animals which will eat it?
That's a vegan country
@@JAGJAG1265 I don't think that. Even with wildlife it could be better
@@imtheeastgermanguy5431 well there's no Wildlife there can't you see the people that live around it bunch of poachers meth labs and personal landfills
It's desert, maybe 7" of rain for the year which falls during winter then dry the rest of the year
0:29 Is that a fuel can?
Needs some cattle ranchers that know how to put out fire, they don't get paid for fighting fire, like the fire departments do.
Looks like a controlled burn.
Hi this mait be a stupid question but can helicopters drop woter on big wherhaws faiers
Stop being mean
Do deserts burn?
No, but my hemorrhoids sure do!
Those trucks really aren't made for grass fires 😂😂 LAFD should be taking notes from the CFA in Australia that have tankers that can pump and roll with crews working from the deck... and the ability to have surge capacity to all fires. A fire like that here in Victoria would have 30 trucks on it within 20minutes
20 min? That would get you to a gas station. No fire station with 30 tankers near that area.
But every place is exactly like where u live. I guess.
This is the Antelope valley.
Nice! 😎
Boy when you see the scale of a 1” hose vs 100 yard wide fire line seems a little futile
Bro that helicopter wasted so much water on nothing... Jesus christ...
Why are they not helping the firefighters
Too busy manufacturing meth.
Glad I don’t need you anymore. That happens there every single year.
Where is this?
Bourdoux France
North of Lancaster.
Theres gonna be some roasted antelope 😢
That heli driver needs to go back to training
Caliburnafication
But🔥rip👻
Good job zooming on the fifth wheel meth lab
Not firefighters they are firemen
pray for a chopper pilot that can drop the water on the fire;
Gee with all them roads, they could have got ahead of it and set back fires. Take the fuel away and fire goes out.
wind blowing 30 mph the back fire would be the new head of the fire as soon as you lit it
No structures near the fire! It would burn itself out at a street! Grew up there when it was great! Not now!
It looks more like they are battling bad equipment and inept help
This is not firefighting...rather time waisting ! "firefighers" and vehicles rather care more about their personal security than offer good service !
Engine 136 begins attacking the fire really fast what is good, but if it was me I would have started behind while still in the black.The way to put out a fire like this is in pump and roll or we never win,. This type of fire is fighted with a short hose and the vehicles always moving and to be more effective a little of foam small percentage 0,1%-0,3% just to wet better the grass this way we use less water and can stay fighting for longer time. This is the way we do it. If the fire is too intense we help with the front bumper turret. I like a lot to fight this fires.
I see pulling maybe 100 ft hose by a single FF this is a mistake. We have a 6x6 with over 2000 gallons of water and 250 gallons of foam with bumper turret and roof monitor besides ground nozzles it would be the perfect pumper for this kind of fire, but even with type 1 is possible to do a good job ... now pulling. long extensions of hose doesn't work in this type of fires
Let me guess....... human caused.
Definitely looks suspect viewing the possible origin location.
dont drop crack pipe
Why don't you get off the couch and go help them
@@russelltackett4779 u iz dropping much knowledge alls ups on me
Helicopter missed mark drops load on grass not fire wow
you don't wan't it on the fire, you dump it ahead of the fire.
Heros
I'm not getting this. Pacific Ocean is full of water why not send a round of tanker planes to drench it? Is it money, fuel, to windy to fly, what?
The same reason you don’t put salt water on your lawn. Nothing will ever grow back. It’s poison.
It's not exactly an agriculture area, so your point seems moot.
@HappyHarryHardon So...shrubs and bushes seen at the seashore are not real?
They need a Heli-Hydrant like La Habra.
@@boathousejoed1126 You know sand is a filter and different plants have different tolerances to their environment? The plains of the high desert don’t have those, neither does your lawn. Prove me wrong and go spread salt on your front lawn.
In that location...meth lab!
Can't even put water on fire.lazu fore people
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No wonder you guys always have fires burning! Your brush crews suck! Our volunteer brush crews here in kansas would have that fire under control in no time!
Wouldn't call them "brush crews" more like city firefighters
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