Dr. Tabor, since you've made books on Jesus, Paul and even Mary, have you consider writing a book on James? Yes, we have Eisenman, Chilton, Painter and others, but it would be awesome to read a book on James by you.
(3:02) Exactly .... anyone with personal ambition can make any uncorroborated claims about having a vision of Jesus. Yet who is qualified to speak on behalf of Jesus more than those who were truly his pupils , especially James ?? And if James was at odds with Paul potentially that led to his death, then James had a very good reason.
It's generally not "personal ambition" that would lead someone to fake a vision supporting the claims of a tiny marginalized sect. That only makes sense in retrospect, where we see Christian dominance, but why would Paul in the early 30s think it would be a good career move?
@jeffmacdonald9863 desperation for recognition is a potential driver. (1 Corinthians 15:9-10) “For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.” The passage inherently implies self glorification shrouded with deceptive humility.
@@jeffmacdonald9863Paul needed to protect his family King Herod. People making Jesus King was against his families intrest. So Paul needed to destroy Jesus's message so that Jews wouldn't follow Jesus. Gentiles are not knowledgeable in the Law and Prophets so it was easier to lie to them to grow his gospel separated from Jesus's... Romans 3:7 (KJV) For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
@@HH-pv9exIt's a play on his name. Paulus means least. So Jesus actually named Paul when he said... Matthew 5:19 (KJV) Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least(Paul) in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Hello, saba muhammad from pakistan. Have come across your channel recently and am enjoying your perspectives immensely. Though the religion i follow is islam, and i take it very seriously but many decades ago, i also set out to discover what the quran actually says and what we are told quran says. To say that there is a huge dissonance between the two will be an understatement. Slowly and surely, i decided to follow quran only, and now i adhere to a more universal islam where everyone is considered a believer, and we have no right or need to pass judgement on anyone’s faith. My own understanding has led me to conclude that jews and christians are all believers as are sisters and brothers of other faiths. I believe what you are doing is similar to my own journey that is find out what the words/texts/phrases meant when they were revealed/used, and then take those meanings to understand the message. Hopefully that may lead to a more authentic and integrated understanding of the message and also to a more peaceful and united world. Prayers for you and your effort, Sister Saba Muhammad.
Thank you. This is interesting, but I also like looking at some of the "M" material in Matthew and in the Epistle of James to see the early Law affirming emphasis as well. Thank you for your time.
Luke writes Paul is a chosen instrument (Acts 9:14-16). Peter writes Paul was beloved and his writings are scripture (2 Peter 3:15-16). Why do we need additional documents? (2 Timothy 4:1-4).
Luke was Paul's travelling companion and obviously biased. The authorship of Peter is greatly contested and the academic consensus is that Paul did not write Timothy (although if he did actually write it, of course he'd be biased towards himself lol).
@@FilthyXylophone In other words, you’re wandering into myths as prophesied (2 Timothy 4:1-4) instead of just sticking to what is written. Do you reject the Old Testament also? The Old Covenant was broken, correct? 1 Kings 19:10 Deuteronomy 31:16 Jeremiah 11:10 A New Covenant was prophesied, correct? Jeremiah 31:31-34 Ezekiel 16:59-63
@@FilthyXylophoneAnd the materials on which you rely to make these conclusions are not contested? Even these positions about Paul are so fringe and debated that I'm shocked you're bringing up these flimsy excuses
@@johnmann8659 Acts was not written by an eyewitness of Paul or the apostles and 1 and 2 Peter were not written by Peter, according to the consensus of scholars. Galatians 2 12 to 14 says the true apostles left Paul and wanted Gentiles to keep the law.
@@Cr-pj8bz No, Galatians 2:12-14 is referring to Acts 15:5-20. Should gentiles become circumcised to follow Jesus? That was the question. The Laws of Noah is what applies to the nations according to the Jewish sources. Acts 21:25 (New Testament) Sanhedrin 56A (Talmud) Seder Olam Rabbah 5 (Midrash) 1 Chronicles 29:29-> Gad the Seer 9:8
Ever look into William Whiston's Primitive Christianity Revived? Vol 4 gets into a long writing in the Greek about Simon vs' Peter. Also in Vol 5 is what is called "The Constitutions of the Holy Apostles" which is a longer and more detailed form of what is already passed around in the mainstream ..but apparently this longer form Whiston claims was Apostolic, and genuine.
What is the purpose of focusing on these texts coming from well after the 1st century? As Tabor agrees, these are pseudepigraphical texts, not from Clement of Rome. They seem to have been used by the Ebionites, as testified to by Jerome in the 4th century. No one seems to believe they could represent eye witness accounts of events happening in apostolic times. They would seem to inform us about the beliefs of the Ebionites but they would not reasonably inform us about the historical Paul, Paul's belief or his conflicts with James and Peter. Also, Simon Magus inconveniently first appears in Acts, a distinctly pro-Pauline work. How are we to then transpose Paul onto references in the Pseudo Clementines to Simon Magus?
Dr. Tabor, I have been researching Paul's authenticity now for over 5 years....I was raised as a Sabbath Day & Feast keeper from the time I was 4 years old, thru World Wide Church of God, Herbert W. Armstrong....they preached Paul, so I just adopted it, not knowing any different. I'm now 68...and was baptized on Easter Sunday when I was 30....and from that time forward, could never put the Bible down...I hated going to church and all the church dogma and eternal boredom of the thousands of hours I was forced to sit and listen and take notes every Sabbath....all the strict rules for rules....but once baptized, that all went away....however over the past years, I strayed away from the Sabbath and was involved in a few born again Sunday keeping churches, but always fought in my mind and struggled with the Sabbath conflict, never believing that Sunday was to be observed....I was presented with the Paul issue about 15 or more years ago & completely rejected the though and rebuked the person who shared that concept with me and disassociated myself with him....until about 5 years ago, when my late husband, a college professor and scholar who knew the Bible back and forth revealed to me the disparity between the teachings of Paul and the teachings of Jesus & the 12....When I finally listened and saw for myself the deep divide, it all began to make sense to me and was as clear as day that Paul was antinomian and taught that the law was a curse, in straight contradiction to what Jesus said, "I have not come to do away with the LAW, BUT TO UPHOLD IT"..."Anyone who teaches against the law will be the LEAST in the Kingdom of Heaven, and anyone who teaches these things will be the GREATEST in the Kingdom of Heaven"...."Matthew 5:18: "For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished". That is a pretty stout DECLARATION from Jesus....Jesus was the creator of the Law....Paul teaches Grace without Works, and it is by faith that we receive faith....Paul was the father of Catholicism....and Simon Magus and Marcion's teachings followed in Lock-step....As Dr. Robert M. Price suspects, that Paul and Simon Magus may actually be the same person, which I am doing my own research on at present....Paul contended with James & Peter and elevated himself above them and the Apostles....and he was responsible for the death of Steven, or was it actually James, the brother of Jesus, as we know there is the account of Paul throwing James headlong down the steps of the temple...Whoever wrote the Book of Acts, I believe was written in a "cipher" manner, as it tells both sides of the character of Paul, and not very flattering....Even Tertullian claimed Paul to be a HERETIC....Paul doesn't even make it into the early Christian writings until he was introduced into Marcion's canon, mid 2nd century....and it is unclear if Clement's writings can be trusted as bonified or merely redacted or pseudepigrapha
Thanks for sharing this personal quest and the paths you have taken. Yes, it is all a tangled web to try and sort out, as the "Victors" shaped the canon...If you are new to my work you will find a lot on James, Paul, and the entire conundrum of so-called "early Christian literature." What surprises me is that even a thin thread of evidence reflective of James and the Jerusalem HQ Assembly makes it through all the re-writing and overwriting. I invite you to join my patreon group, see description, as we have a diverse group to whom I present this overview, who like you have taken multiple paths from faith, to skepticism, and even landed with modified forms of faith. Also in my book Paul and Jesus I try to explore in some detail these very questions, as well as earlier in The Jesus Dynasty. .
@@JamesTaborVideos Thank you Dr. Tabor for taking the time to consider my comment. Paul has been my greatest research project as of late... I enjoy Biblical history and I am thankful that I had the experience of being an Air Force historian during the later part of my career with them....knowing how to analyze history is essential and putting details into chronological order. I watch History Valley a good amount of the time, picking the brains of the numerous scholars he interviews, but more important, is the advantage of the relevant source documentation they bring to the table to search into....I have never joined a Patreon group as of yet, but I plan on joining yours...up until now, I have listened to some of your podcasts, but were in disagreement with you on some details, but now that I understand you are objective to taking a different view on Paul, I feel more comfortable and I can certainly learn more...A few years back I followed a Yale TH-cam course lectured by Dale Martin on New Testament History, and found it of value but very disappointed when I found out he was gay... I scour the internet continually for new viewpoints on Paul...and have found some other individuals who pretty much agree 100% with my viewpoints and have brought up the exact same target points that I have recognized...One thing that stands out are Paul's subliminal deviations, misquotes of the OT scripture and that it is obvious that he quotes the Septuagint Manuscript frequently, which I find ODD, considering he was supposed to have learned at the feet of Gamliel...however Paul spent no time in Jerusalem while he lived in Tarsus and was schooled in Rome along with his Herodian buddies...(another belief I have and have put much research in, his Herodian/Edomite genealogy in connection with Herod Antipas)...Strangely enough, in Acts, Gamliel is mentioned, but does not know Paul...If Paul was a contemporary of Jesus and all of the other Apostles, they would have surely known Paul....Paul was a Pharisee, and as Rabbi Tovia Singer points out, the temple during that time was run by the Sadducees and they had no authority to request Paul to go to Damascus to persecute, imprison, or kill anyone, that Rome was totally in charge of those territories, that that in itself creates another insight as to Paul's Roman Citizenship and how he acquired it not to mention how Rome catered to him when he was arrested, providing a garrison of horsemen and soldiers to protect him when he was escorted to Herod's court or temple and put up there....He was high up in the Roman Government, or a member of the Herodian family... A couple other thoughts that comes to mind, is that Paul says, there are NONE RIGHTEOUS, but we are as filthy rags, while John the Baptist's parents were considered RIGHTEOUS...Paul calls Jesus, THE SECOND ADAM....Jesus never claims this as WHY WOULD HE, this would make him a CREATED BEING....It was he who created Adam...
I'm trying to follow along with what your saying, but it's all very hard to be clear about what you're saying precisely, I know you're very studied with all this stuff, as your an academic teacher in the field of this stuff, are your saying believe what Paul said?? As I believe that Jesus was a teacher of the law of God, and not God in the flesh, like many Christians are saying about Jesus was, I believe that Jesus was a pointed to teach them the law of God, the Moses commandments
Paul was a fraud, and Jesus knew it, spoke of it to Paul directly and it was included as a quote in Pauls own writing. Paul was so dense, he didn't get the gibe. You don't know enough James. Eyes blinded by doubt.
Interesting discussion, however I'm not really that convinced that the Clementine literature is implicitly criticizing Paul. What would be interesting is if we saw any indirect citations from the Pauline corpus or perhaps quotations from the Pauline corpus that are being polemicize against. I honestly didn't see anything in the discussion that seems to indicate Paul was the intended target, but I admit I could be wrong
John called Paul antichrist... 1 John 4:3 (KJV) And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 2 John 1:7 (KJV) For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Jesus is called son of man more than any other title. Ezekiel is called son of man by GOD and Daniel is called son of man by Gabriel. Son of man means human. For instance... Genesis 5:1 (KJV) This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Adam is in the likeness of GOD but is not a god himself. Paul teaches Philippians 2:7-8 (KJV) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Romans 8:3 (KJV) For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: Paul teaches Jesus was something like a man, reducing Jesus's suffering experience since angelic beings are tougher than human. Paul also said... Galatians 1:11-12 (KJV) But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. He is saying Jesus is not a man but spirit. The angels said... Acts 1:11 (KJV) Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. He went up to heaven after man and will come back the same way. Paul is a liar so why believe a tactical evangelist... Romans 3:7 (KJV) For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
@@forYAHSglory Romans 1:3-5 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: Galatians 4:4-5 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Paul not only affirmed that Jesus was God's son and therefore a supernatural being, but also made incarnate in the body of a man by physical birth through a woman. Therefore Paul could not be called an antichrist given the criteria which you have laid out above as he acknowledges both the humanity and Divinity of Jesus. Not only does Paul say that Jesus had a physical birth, but that he even was a descendant from the tribe of Judah and therefore in the lineage of David. Further, the term son of man in the time of Jesus had taken on referring not merely to the human being but was also used as the title for an eschatological judge who would execute judgment at the consummation of the end of time. See Daniel 7 and 1 Enoch 37-71 for the use of the title as applying to an end times judge, a role which Jesus seemed to consider himself occupying.
Dear James, I like your videos, but please reconsider the usage of AI images. Their creation is unethical since the developers took artwork without consent to create a technology that is not putting artist out of jobs. Nothing against progress, but taking people's work unasked and throwing said people under the bus is not cool. Thanks for reading.
"not" *now No artist worth their salt will lose their job to AI garbage. Nobody using AI "art" now was willing to pay artists before, and will not pay them now if AI art becomes unavailable. Also "took artwork without consent" is nonsensical. It's like complaining that people see artwork made by others, analyze it learn it dissect it and the way it was made, and that then influences the way they themselves produce their images.
@notanemoprog I think pretty much everyone disagrees with you on this, unless they have a vested interest. We've already seen good artists lose their jobs. A lot of corporations have already layed off their in house artists, and use AI instead, for example. And yes, copying other people's work is copying/stealing. Doesn't matter how you phrase it.
Great presentation, Dr. Tabor It resonates extremely well with the teachings of Islam It is so sad that the original Jesus movement was crushed by both rogue Jewish clergy and pagan Romans, then Trinitarian Christians But seemed to experience a revival of ideology, six centuries later among their brethren in Paran, and now a dwelling in one fourth of the world population
I enjoy your lectures James but I think that you are way too leinient towards Paul and rather naive to his devices , not realizing that he spoke from both sides of his mouth , a typical people pleaser like his Herodian kinsman
So many people trying to discredit Paul and lying about his gospel. They are deceivers and a false teachers. I hope they reads this and repent and turn back to the truth of the gospel...which Paul told the truth about!
You follow Paul instead of Jesus, Paul instead of God, Paul instead of the apostles. Someone who never met Jesus once. He is the false apostle of Rev 2 2.
😂 ok let’s follow a wicked false prophet who married a 9 year old and also took married slaves as wives and even his own adopted sons wife… sure why not!!!
Dr James no offense they were taking over the congregation again because they were Levites Exodus 4:10-14. The Pharisees the Sadducees and the essians had no right to be Temple priest in the first place. So they were taking back their levitical priesthood and the scriptures for Hebrews did not accept the talamud upon the return from Babylon. As Josephus sites in his own writings " against Apiron " chapter 8 verses 6 through 9. Where he states upon the return the Hebrews who stayed did not accept the talamud and their book for it did not have a successor of profits or to who wrote the scripture. Therefore they did not deem it equivalent as the "book of old".
Dr. Tabor, since you've made books on Jesus, Paul and even Mary, have you consider writing a book on James? Yes, we have Eisenman, Chilton, Painter and others, but it would be awesome to read a book on James by you.
Thank you for another thought provoking video 👍 _!_
Great stuff as always , thank you
Most cult leaders, like Joseph Smith, get their tactics from Paul.
Like EGW
(3:02) Exactly .... anyone with personal ambition can make any uncorroborated claims about having a vision of Jesus. Yet who is qualified to speak on behalf of Jesus more than those who were truly his pupils , especially James ?? And if James was at odds with Paul potentially that led to his death, then James had a very good reason.
It's generally not "personal ambition" that would lead someone to fake a vision supporting the claims of a tiny marginalized sect. That only makes sense in retrospect, where we see Christian dominance, but why would Paul in the early 30s think it would be a good career move?
Good question!
@jeffmacdonald9863 desperation for recognition is a potential driver.
(1 Corinthians 15:9-10)
“For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.”
The passage inherently implies self glorification shrouded with deceptive humility.
@@jeffmacdonald9863Paul needed to protect his family King Herod. People making Jesus King was against his families intrest. So Paul needed to destroy Jesus's message so that Jews wouldn't follow Jesus. Gentiles are not knowledgeable in the Law and Prophets so it was easier to lie to them to grow his gospel separated from Jesus's...
Romans 3:7 (KJV) For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
@@HH-pv9exIt's a play on his name. Paulus means least. So Jesus actually named Paul when he said...
Matthew 5:19 (KJV) Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least(Paul) in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Hello, saba muhammad from pakistan.
Have come across your channel recently and am enjoying your perspectives immensely.
Though the religion i follow is islam, and i take it very seriously but many decades ago, i also set out to discover what the quran actually says and what we are told quran says. To say that there is a huge dissonance between the two will be an understatement.
Slowly and surely, i decided to follow quran only, and now i adhere to a more universal islam where everyone is considered a believer, and we have no right or need to pass judgement on anyone’s faith.
My own understanding has led me to conclude that jews and christians are all believers as are sisters and brothers of other faiths.
I believe what you are doing is similar to my own journey that is find out what the words/texts/phrases meant when they were revealed/used, and then take those meanings to understand the message. Hopefully that may lead to a more authentic and integrated understanding of the message and also to a more peaceful and united world.
Prayers for you and your effort,
Sister Saba Muhammad.
We need a new reformation.
Thank you. This is interesting, but I also like looking at some of the "M" material in Matthew and in the Epistle of James to see the early Law affirming emphasis as well. Thank you for your time.
Dr. Tabor, What do you think of Robert Eisenman's books about the Dead Sea Scrolls, James, and the New Testament?
Luke writes Paul is a chosen instrument (Acts 9:14-16).
Peter writes Paul was beloved and his writings are scripture (2 Peter 3:15-16).
Why do we need additional documents? (2 Timothy 4:1-4).
Luke was Paul's travelling companion and obviously biased. The authorship of Peter is greatly contested and the academic consensus is that Paul did not write Timothy (although if he did actually write it, of course he'd be biased towards himself lol).
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In other words, you’re wandering into myths as prophesied (2 Timothy 4:1-4) instead of just sticking to what is written.
Do you reject the Old Testament also?
The Old Covenant was broken, correct?
1 Kings 19:10
Deuteronomy 31:16
Jeremiah 11:10
A New Covenant was prophesied, correct?
Jeremiah 31:31-34
Ezekiel 16:59-63
@@FilthyXylophoneAnd the materials on which you rely to make these conclusions are not contested? Even these positions about Paul are so fringe and debated that I'm shocked you're bringing up these flimsy excuses
@@johnmann8659 Acts was not written by an eyewitness of Paul or the apostles and 1 and 2 Peter were not written by Peter, according to the consensus of scholars. Galatians 2 12 to 14 says the true apostles left Paul and wanted Gentiles to keep the law.
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No, Galatians 2:12-14 is referring to Acts 15:5-20. Should gentiles become circumcised to follow Jesus? That was the question.
The Laws of Noah is what applies to the nations according to the Jewish sources.
Acts 21:25 (New Testament)
Sanhedrin 56A (Talmud)
Seder Olam Rabbah 5 (Midrash)
1 Chronicles 29:29-> Gad the Seer 9:8
Ever look into William Whiston's Primitive Christianity Revived? Vol 4 gets into a long writing in the Greek about Simon vs' Peter.
Also in Vol 5 is what is called "The Constitutions of the Holy Apostles" which is a longer and more detailed form of what is already passed around in the mainstream ..but apparently this longer form Whiston claims was Apostolic, and genuine.
Did Jesus follow the Essenes way of living?
If he did, is this the correct way to follow the teachings of Jesus?
What would the Teacher of Righteousness say?
That some living in his time would not die before the kingdom of god came in power. He was wrong.
He would say "clean your room"
@@notanemoprog But mooooom 😩
@@vikingdemonpr It's for your own good.
sounds like fables to me.
I see no basis in these passages as being against or anti-Paul or any resemblance of Simon Magus to what Paul taught.
What is the purpose of focusing on these texts coming from well after the 1st century? As Tabor agrees, these are pseudepigraphical texts, not from Clement of Rome. They seem to have been used by the Ebionites, as testified to by Jerome in the 4th century. No one seems to believe they could represent eye witness accounts of events happening in apostolic times. They would seem to inform us about the beliefs of the Ebionites but they would not reasonably inform us about the historical Paul, Paul's belief or his conflicts with James and Peter. Also, Simon Magus inconveniently first appears in Acts, a distinctly pro-Pauline work. How are we to then transpose Paul onto references in the Pseudo Clementines to Simon Magus?
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Dr. Tabor, I have been researching Paul's authenticity now for over 5 years....I was raised as a Sabbath Day & Feast keeper from the time I was 4 years old, thru World Wide Church of God, Herbert W. Armstrong....they preached Paul, so I just adopted it, not knowing any different. I'm now 68...and was baptized on Easter Sunday when I was 30....and from that time forward, could never put the Bible down...I hated going to church and all the church dogma and eternal boredom of the thousands of hours I was forced to sit and listen and take notes every Sabbath....all the strict rules for rules....but once baptized, that all went away....however over the past years, I strayed away from the Sabbath and was involved in a few born again Sunday keeping churches, but always fought in my mind and struggled with the Sabbath conflict, never believing that Sunday was to be observed....I was presented with the Paul issue about 15 or more years ago & completely rejected the though and rebuked the person who shared that concept with me and disassociated myself with him....until about 5 years ago, when my late husband, a college professor and scholar who knew the Bible back and forth revealed to me the disparity between the teachings of Paul and the teachings of Jesus & the 12....When I finally listened and saw for myself the deep divide, it all began to make sense to me and was as clear as day that Paul was antinomian and taught that the law was a curse, in straight contradiction to what Jesus said, "I have not come to do away with the LAW, BUT TO UPHOLD IT"..."Anyone who teaches against the law will be the LEAST in the Kingdom of Heaven, and anyone who teaches these things will be the GREATEST in the Kingdom of Heaven"...."Matthew 5:18: "For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished". That is a pretty stout DECLARATION from Jesus....Jesus was the creator of the Law....Paul teaches Grace without Works, and it is by faith that we receive faith....Paul was the father of Catholicism....and Simon Magus and Marcion's teachings followed in Lock-step....As Dr. Robert M. Price suspects, that Paul and Simon Magus may actually be the same person, which I am doing my own research on at present....Paul contended with James & Peter and elevated himself above them and the Apostles....and he was responsible for the death of Steven, or was it actually James, the brother of Jesus, as we know there is the account of Paul throwing James headlong down the steps of the temple...Whoever wrote the Book of Acts, I believe was written in a "cipher" manner, as it tells both sides of the character of Paul, and not very flattering....Even Tertullian claimed Paul to be a HERETIC....Paul doesn't even make it into the early Christian writings until he was introduced into Marcion's canon, mid 2nd century....and it is unclear if Clement's writings can be trusted as bonified or merely redacted or pseudepigrapha
Thank you for sharing that my friend
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Thanks for sharing this personal quest and the paths you have taken. Yes, it is all a tangled web to try and sort out, as the "Victors" shaped the canon...If you are new to my work you will find a lot on James, Paul, and the entire conundrum of so-called "early Christian literature." What surprises me is that even a thin thread of evidence reflective of James and the Jerusalem HQ Assembly makes it through all the re-writing and overwriting. I invite you to join my patreon group, see description, as we have a diverse group to whom I present this overview, who like you have taken multiple paths from faith, to skepticism, and even landed with modified forms of faith. Also in my book Paul and Jesus I try to explore in some detail these very questions, as well as earlier in The Jesus Dynasty. .
@@JamesTaborVideos Thank you Dr. Tabor for taking the time to consider my comment. Paul has been my greatest research project as of late... I enjoy Biblical history and I am thankful that I had the experience of being an Air Force historian during the later part of my career with them....knowing how to analyze history is essential and putting details into chronological order. I watch History Valley a good amount of the time, picking the brains of the numerous scholars he interviews, but more important, is the advantage of the relevant source documentation they bring to the table to search into....I have never joined a Patreon group as of yet, but I plan on joining yours...up until now, I have listened to some of your podcasts, but were in disagreement with you on some details, but now that I understand you are objective to taking a different view on Paul, I feel more comfortable and I can certainly learn more...A few years back I followed a Yale TH-cam course lectured by Dale Martin on New Testament History, and found it of value but very disappointed when I found out he was gay...
I scour the internet continually for new viewpoints on Paul...and have found some other individuals who pretty much agree 100% with my viewpoints and have brought up the exact same target points that I have recognized...One thing that stands out are Paul's subliminal deviations, misquotes of the OT scripture and that it is obvious that he quotes the Septuagint Manuscript frequently, which I find ODD, considering he was supposed to have learned at the feet of Gamliel...however Paul spent no time in Jerusalem while he lived in Tarsus and was schooled in Rome along with his Herodian buddies...(another belief I have and have put much research in, his Herodian/Edomite genealogy in connection with Herod Antipas)...Strangely enough, in Acts, Gamliel is mentioned, but does not know Paul...If Paul was a contemporary of Jesus and all of the other Apostles, they would have surely known Paul....Paul was a Pharisee, and as Rabbi Tovia Singer points out, the temple during that time was run by the Sadducees and they had no authority to request Paul to go to Damascus to persecute, imprison, or kill anyone, that Rome was totally in charge of those territories, that that in itself creates another insight as to Paul's Roman Citizenship and how he acquired it not to mention how Rome catered to him when he was arrested, providing a garrison of horsemen and soldiers to protect him when he was escorted to Herod's court or temple and put up there....He was high up in the Roman Government, or a member of the Herodian family...
A couple other thoughts that comes to mind, is that Paul says, there are NONE RIGHTEOUS, but we are as filthy rags, while John the Baptist's parents were considered RIGHTEOUS...Paul calls Jesus, THE SECOND ADAM....Jesus never claims this as WHY WOULD HE, this would make him a CREATED BEING....It was he who created Adam...
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That ai image of white people definitely threw up some flags for me
I'm trying to follow along with what your saying, but it's all very hard to be clear about what you're saying precisely, I know you're very studied with all this stuff, as your an academic teacher in the field of this stuff, are your saying believe what Paul said?? As I believe that Jesus was a teacher of the law of God, and not God in the flesh, like many Christians are saying about Jesus was, I believe that Jesus was a pointed to teach them the law of God, the Moses commandments
Paul was a fraud, and Jesus knew it, spoke of it to Paul directly and it was included as a quote in Pauls own writing. Paul was so dense, he didn't get the gibe.
You don't know enough James. Eyes blinded by doubt.
Interesting discussion, however I'm not really that convinced that the Clementine literature is implicitly criticizing Paul. What would be interesting is if we saw any indirect citations from the Pauline corpus or perhaps quotations from the Pauline corpus that are being polemicize against. I honestly didn't see anything in the discussion that seems to indicate Paul was the intended target, but I admit I could be wrong
John called Paul antichrist...
1 John 4:3 (KJV) And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2 John 1:7 (KJV) For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Jesus is called son of man more than any other title. Ezekiel is called son of man by GOD and Daniel is called son of man by Gabriel. Son of man means human. For instance...
Genesis 5:1 (KJV) This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
Adam is in the likeness of GOD but is not a god himself. Paul teaches
Philippians 2:7-8 (KJV) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Romans 8:3 (KJV) For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Paul teaches Jesus was something like a man, reducing Jesus's suffering experience since angelic beings are tougher than human. Paul also said...
Galatians 1:11-12 (KJV) But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
He is saying Jesus is not a man but spirit. The angels said...
Acts 1:11 (KJV) Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
He went up to heaven after man and will come back the same way. Paul is a liar so why believe a tactical evangelist...
Romans 3:7 (KJV) For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
@@forYAHSglory Romans 1:3-5
Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
Galatians 4:4-5
But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Paul not only affirmed that Jesus was God's son and therefore a supernatural being, but also made incarnate in the body of a man by physical birth through a woman. Therefore Paul could not be called an antichrist given the criteria which you have laid out above as he acknowledges both the humanity and Divinity of Jesus. Not only does Paul say that Jesus had a physical birth, but that he even was a descendant from the tribe of Judah and therefore in the lineage of David.
Further, the term son of man in the time of Jesus had taken on referring not merely to the human being but was also used as the title for an eschatological judge who would execute judgment at the consummation of the end of time. See Daniel 7 and 1 Enoch 37-71 for the use of the title as applying to an end times judge, a role which Jesus seemed to consider himself occupying.
Dear James, I like your videos, but please reconsider the usage of AI images. Their creation is unethical since the developers took artwork without consent to create a technology that is not putting artist out of jobs. Nothing against progress, but taking people's work unasked and throwing said people under the bus is not cool. Thanks for reading.
"not" *now
No artist worth their salt will lose their job to AI garbage. Nobody using AI "art" now was willing to pay artists before, and will not pay them now if AI art becomes unavailable.
Also "took artwork without consent" is nonsensical. It's like complaining that people see artwork made by others, analyze it learn it dissect it and the way it was made, and that then influences the way they themselves produce their images.
@notanemoprog I think pretty much everyone disagrees with you on this, unless they have a vested interest.
We've already seen good artists lose their jobs. A lot of corporations have already layed off their in house artists, and use AI instead, for example.
And yes, copying other people's work is copying/stealing. Doesn't matter how you phrase it.
Great presentation, Dr. Tabor
It resonates extremely well with the teachings of Islam
It is so sad that the original Jesus movement was crushed by both rogue Jewish clergy and pagan Romans, then Trinitarian Christians
But seemed to experience a revival of ideology, six centuries later among their brethren in Paran, and now a dwelling in one fourth of the world population
I enjoy your lectures James but I think that you are way too leinient towards Paul and rather naive to his devices , not realizing that he spoke from both sides of his mouth , a typical people pleaser like his Herodian kinsman
So many people trying to discredit Paul and lying about his gospel.
They are deceivers and a false teachers.
I hope they reads this and repent and turn back to the truth of the gospel...which Paul told the truth about!
did you even do the homework?
Im a believer and i don’t need Paul to be saved, only Jesus/Yeshua
You follow Paul instead of Jesus, Paul instead of God, Paul instead of the apostles. Someone who never met Jesus once. He is the false apostle of Rev 2 2.
Paul took a failed apocalyptic prophet and made a religion out of him. Give him a little credit.
@@iguanapoolservice1461obviously. Paul said to follow him as he follows messiah.
If you want the truth read the Quran !
😂 ok let’s follow a wicked false prophet who married a 9 year old and also took married slaves as wives and even his own adopted sons wife… sure why not!!!
@@iguanapoolservice1461You weren't supposed to read that part ...
Why, the Quran says in Surah 2:40-43 that the Bible is good enough, also Surah 4:136, I'm good.
About what?
@@iguanapoolservice1461have you read it?
Dr James no offense they were taking over the congregation again because they were Levites Exodus 4:10-14.
The Pharisees the Sadducees and the essians had no right to be Temple priest in the first place.
So they were taking back their levitical priesthood and the scriptures for Hebrews did not accept the talamud upon the return from Babylon.
As Josephus sites in his own writings " against Apiron " chapter 8 verses 6 through 9. Where he states upon the return the Hebrews who stayed did not accept the talamud and their book for it did not have a successor of profits or to who wrote the scripture. Therefore they did not deem it equivalent as the "book of old".