Thanks Professor for this enlightening teaching which confirms the idea that I have formed after reading the gospels independent of the church's interpretation.
New subscriber. I am hanging on every word from this dissertation. Thank you for presenting us with this detailed and authentic information. Johnny Boy
@Bible-Christianyou do know that you still have to follow The Old Testament as far as the 10 commandments you still have to turn away from your sin that you worship more then God then Have faith that Jesus died for you and treat others hers the way you want to be treated which is loving and kind but if you think you can do just one without the other then your still in sin that separates you from God people misinterpret the Bible and it will cost us our souls Jesus never said stop following God because God nature of who is is never changes his word never changes nor his law he is eternity he will never contradict himself he’s not human he’s a Energy a Spiritual Holy Force Yes Jesus is his son but you have to Follow God worship God and honor his Son for what he did you can’t skip steps you have to do the whole thing to please God
I believe in the triune nature of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Jesus is eternal the same as is the Father and the Holy Spirit. Jesus's deity is apparent in Genesis at the creation and the Spirit was also. He was the Great I Am that spoke to Moses. "Before Abraham was I Am.
pretty sure tabor is a skeptic as well.. doesn't confess to be a christian. . leans more towards a Hebraic spiritual belief, but christianity is his job
Same here. I don’t agree with everything he says, but his PhD trumps my feeble knowledge of the scriptures. I do think he’s a low key Christian though.
@NatsarimGuard Yes, Dr. Tabor is a member of the United Israel World Union. I absolutely love when he presents the Sabbath Torah portions. He has beautiful insight!
Great lecture Dr. Tabor, thanks. I just started my own series on the different "Christianities" of the first centuries, and I'm going to counter this problem next. Bart Ehrman has been really helpful as well. 😀
How would you compare the teachings presented in gnostic gospels of Thomas / Philip - with Letters of the New Testament, that is with Pauline teachings and the following doctrines of the early Orthodox/Catholic church? Can this become one of your next topics?
The Tyndale bible translated the logos correctly in John 1. The logos is an IT not a HIM. The logos (wisdom and power of YHWH) becomes flesh whenever someone is begotten of the Fathers incorruptible seed. The logos is intangible until IT is formed or risen (the LIGHT) in you. The first resurrection into new life.
Partly correct, except John wasn't written originally in greek but hebrew. So i wasn't logos but DABAR. Dabar means a promise, plan, decree. The same stated in Psalms when it says " the heavens declare the UPRIGHTNESS of Yahuah, the skies proclaim the work of his hands." Ever wondered what the stars are revealing as his UPRIGHTNESS? What is being proclaimed as "the work of his hand"?
The Logos is definitely a Him and He is Jesus but when referring to words of God as the idea of the sounds that come from God, then, yes, it is rightly understood as an it, however, John 1 is talking about a person and, in context, that person is Jesus.
Greetings James Tabor, The resurrection Paul preached: 12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? Christ told the apostles to raise the dead. They were not preaching to cemeteries. You are born again/raised/resurrected/quickened, while you are breathing. Definition of the dead: Christ was sent to the lost sheep of Israel, per his testimony. They were "dead", because they had fallen into idolatry and broken their covenant. These people are breathing. 13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen. Christ was crucified to pay sin debt. He was not crucified to save flesh. If the dead (man walking in sin) is not being restored (raised/resurrected/quickened) then Christ didn't pay the debt. If this is not happening, right now, actively, then Christ never rose. 14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. Might as well quit now. None of you have been raised/resurrected. Your faith, that he atoned for your sin, didn't actually happen. 15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. Are people being raised/resurrected/born again or not? Yes, by the thousands. 16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised. The gospel is going to the ends of the known world. People are being born again/resurrected. You pass from death to life, while you are breathing. If this is not an active, right now, happening now event, then Christ never paid the debt for the resurrection of the dead. Christ lied when he said, "I am the resurrection". 17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. You are still dead. Your sins have not been atoned for.......pitifull 18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. What happened to the people who have physically/biologically died that were born again/raised/resurrected when they were breathing? Guess they didn't get eternal life......... 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. This life is short. Set your hearts on things above, that are eternal. 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. Lets quit beating around the bush; we all know that he rose from the dead; this is a known fact. He has started the resurrection/restoration of mankind. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. Adam was told he would die the day he ate the fruit (listened to Satan). He didn't physically/biologically die that day, he physicall/biologically lived another 800+ years. Thus, the death Adam experienced was not via the flesh, but spiritual death, caused by sinning. How is this fixed? Believe in the atoning work of Christ, which raises a man out of death, caused by sin. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. Adam started a bad situation for mankind. Christ fixed the problem. Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned. Romans 5 elaborates. Hebrews 11:35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection: Obviously, a biological/flesh resurrection was not what they were looking for.....after they received their dead back to life (obviously they died again in the flesh) the scripture spoke of a "better resurrection". Thus, this better resurrection, this city that Abraham was looking for, that he could not locate on the earth, with buildings, etc., was coming from above. Hebrews 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. This is the New Jerusalem coming down from heaven that John wrote about in Revelation 21. And he got his doctrine of this new heaven and earth from Isaiah 65 & 66. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Christ said, "I am the resurrection", he is the beginning of the resurrection/restoration/raising of the dead, starts with him, he was the sacrifice that initiated the raising/restoring/resurrecting of people. Then the firstfruits, first believers, the gospel started in Jerusalem and made its way to the entire known world (took 40 years,a generation). Next, the consummation of the resurrection. After the gospel was preached to the known world, now comes the end. Christ is revealed, temple destroyed, judgment. For those alive, breathing, at his coming, they were fortunate to witness and participate in this consummation event, the gathering is concluded, the harvest is fully reaped. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. Who is opposed to the gospel? Who denied Christ? The apostate priesthood in Jerusalem/called Babylon by Peter, and anyone who denies Christs' claim that he was the resurrection. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. Psalm 110 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. Christ quotes in Mark 12:36 How long till Christ returns? Acts 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. Took 40 years for gospel to make it around the known world, one generation, Romans 10:18,16:26 Col 1:23 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. Physical death? No Christ said: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Obviously, physical/biological death is not the subject or Christ is a liar. What administered death? The law. Christ is going to destroy the temple and end the old covenant, the law. Galatians 4 & 2 Corinthians 3 elaborate completely on this subject, clarifying what death Christ destroyed at his coming/Parousia, which occurred 2,000 years past, per Christs' own testimony, Matt 16:28. It is finished, your friend
Greetings, Christ returned when he said he would return, Matt 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.. He said all prophecy would be fulfilled in his generation, Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. There is no more prophecies in the scriptures yet to be fulfilled. Men teach doctrines of men: such as a 3rd coming, a physical/carnal kingdom coming to the earth, a trinity, a rapture, easter; all of these doctrines are pagan, taught by men. None of these doctrines are taught in the scriptures, none of them, people believe what they have been told to believe. Pertaining to the coming of Christ and the kingdom: They tried to make Christ king on the earth when he was here the first time, he refused, per the scriptures. The pharisees asked him when the kingdom would come? They envisioned this geopolitical governmental establishment on the earth; this is what they were looking for, take out our Roman adversary and let us rule again.....What was Christs' reply? What does the kingdom look like? Luke 17:20-21 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. Where does Christ rule from? the earth? No John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. He rules from heaven, this is his abode, he is not coming back to the earth. Christ was sent specifically to Israel. The Jews were Gods' proxy to show himself holy among mankind. God made a covenant with the Hebrews/Jews. They broke the covenant, per all the prophets. Christ was sent in the "last days" of this covenant to bring judgement associated with this covenant. What did the law of this covenant say? Christ said the temple would be destroyed, ending this covenant. When you read Hebrews 8 - 10 you will see the new covenant prophesied in Jeremiah quoted twice and the old covenant about to vanish away 8:13, it did. Mankind lives under the new covenant, based on righteousness, that lasts forever. this message is sent in love, your friend
Greetings friend, Christ prayed this prayer "thy kingdom come" 2,000 years ago, with his disciples. So, he is still waiting for this prayer to be answered? No, not per the scriptures. Matt 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. Until they are told. Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass, Now he knows, about his imminent return, to happen shortly, "I come quickly' (repeated 7 times in Revelation), for 2,000 years.........Is it your opinion that God (his Father) lied to him? Why did Peter tell his audience they would witness the revelation? 1 Peter 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. Is Peter a liar? What about James? What did he tell the 12 tribes of Israel? James 5:8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh. The very next verse he tells the 12 tribes that the judge is standing at the door. Why? because Christ was about to be revealed. What about Paul who wrote half of the new testament letters? He told everyone, in almost all his letters, that Christ was coming, in their lifetime. Why? Why is every new testament writer saying the same thing? Because Christ told them he was coming in their lifetime, they believed him. this message is sent in love, your friend
This is in progress. There's a reason the believes are the "body of Christ". We're the ones to fulfill the prophesies of peace on Earth. Jesus brought us the teachings, we are the successors that need to apply it to the world. @@gokartbob6478
Humans had overestimated themselves many times in past and be humbled in the process, while many had underestimated themselves too and let others lord over them unnecessarily. So thats a relative situation most of the time if not always and thats how our history came around in repeating circles.
Paul is likely referring to a Jewish tradition that the rock which Moses struck in Exodus followed the Israelites through their travels, giving water until Miriam’s death in Numbers.
To the early apostles, Iesu was our Lord and Saviour who showed the Way. It was He who taught us ALL to say, “OUR Father…”. Constantine was outvoted at the Council of Nicaea when they decided that he was a god.
Mr. Tabor makes us christians ( so called) ...think and re-read ...i suggest that this short life is not teally long enough to get it all but that is why faith is so very important....be happy all God does for us and happy for people who think somewhat different. We may talk communicate and no hatting ....like some people online who demonize whole people groups just because they worship God on a different day than they.
This refers to Jesus inheriting all of God's power and authority. This is rooted in the belief of the blessing of the firstborn from Tanakh. In Hebrews 1, Paul says the Father refers to the Son as "God" @@xxxs8309
It seems Jude believed this as well. So it looks like the early Christians had an ebionite view that Jesus was a divine son of God who came to earth(most likely the mysterious angel of Yahweh) but not God.
"God" has a wide range of meanng in the Hebrew scriptures. But there is only one "Elyon"... most high. Even the book of John rejects the idea that Jesus was the "Most High" He was the _son of_ the Most High. (P.S. book of John is obviously very much influenced by Philo of Alexandria's surmisings.) Paul did not assert Jesus was the Most High. Paul consistently uses subordinationist language.
In 1 Thessalonians, which you quote, Paul refers to believers as turning from idols and to the 'true God'. There is no doubt that early Christians worshipped Jesus - even Roman records say that. But it would be idolatrous to worship anyone except God. Therefore Paul is clearly saying Jesus is God because they have left idols to worship and serve Him. For anyone interested in an alternative understanding to that presented here, I would suggest 'How God Became Jesus' by Simon Gathercole etc which was written as a response to Bart Ehrman's book.
you say there is no doubt that Christians worshipped Jesus.. well sure, but there is also no doubt that ancient Jews wrongly worshipped Baal. it does not make it proper. Paul had to keep writing letters and so did John because what the greek Christians were doing was mainly in error and needed to be corrected . just like the prophets of old always corrected apostate Israel
Idolatrous to worship anyone except God?! Abraham WORSHIPPED the people of the land and yet God stated that Abraham was his friend. Maybe you should find out what the hebrew word for worship means first before spouting nonsense.
It's not nonsense. Jesus is God in the flesh. It's that easy to understand. In the earthly realm God is Jesus. In the heavenly realm God is the Angel of God or the Spirit of God and there is the soul of God known as the Father or the Power Above. God is one person that is expressed multidimensionally just as you have a body, spirit and soul, however, we are experiencing Him interacting with Himself multidimensionally simultaneously. He is not three persons; He is One.
your right, it is that easy to understand.. makes a lot of sense actually. However none of it is taught in scripture so its irrelevant or not how well we understand a concept that is made up in the mind of man. Jesus being god in flesh is a man made concept, not scriptural or taught as truth by the Spirit of Truth@@chicassoproductions8527
Paul does, I will have to look up the verse . But he says and God who gave up his own life for us. Or something along those lines. There is a second verse as well. I’m just wondering how scholars decide what is and isn’t Paul’s writings.
I have never read the 7 letters of Paul in this manner and I am not a linguist but it does seem like Paul really didn't class Jesus as "God". The word Messiah is mentioned but he seems to substitute this term with "son of God" which is relatable (as not meaning God) but not as objectionable to Jews as Messiah would have been ( the Jewish Priests never considered Jesus eligible for that title despite his alleged genealogy quoted in the new testament Bibles). You have to say that Professor Tabors argument that Paul didn't consider Jesus as God is convincing beyond reasonable doubt!
@@jansteinvonsquidmeirsteen2256 Paul admitted, in his own writings, that he was possessed by an Angel of Satan and he hasand he asked his Jesus to remove this from him and his Jesus refused, three times That doesn't sound like Yeshua Messiah to me. I can recommend to you to look at the whiteI can recommend to you to look at the white tea Channel called Jesus words onlyI can recommend to you to look at the YT Channel called Jesus' Words Only, he is an attorney and debunks Paul on a daily basis using scriptures and extra biblical writingss. Also, take a look at lapidalso, take a look at Lapid Judaism, use a Rabbi that believes that Yeshua is the Messiah
@@ShemaHaTorah Paul claims he physically met Jesus on the road to DamascusPaul , and that's violates the return doctrine of Christ himself, who said he would not return unless he would be seen from east to west and if someone saw him in the wilderness, do not believe him
Very good lecture, Dr. Tabor, but I'm convinced that Paul was a mythicist (docetist) and comes off as such in Philippians 2:5-11. There was a Jewish legend at the time that the Garden of Eden was in Paradise (Heaven) and when Adam and Eve got kicked out they descended to Earth, passing the planet in some sort of heavenly vehicle. I remember reading the legend somewhere and I think it was in Von Damiken's _Chariots of the Gods._ I could have read it somewhere else though.
Thankyou Dr Tabor. Interesting fact: in the first two decades of the 1800s the majority of the inhabitants of Boston Massachusetts belonged to congregations that were unitarian, not Trinitarian.
Yet he calls Jesus Christ "one Lord", separate from "God the Father", and "our Lord" (1 Corinthians 8:4 & Romans 1:3). Furthermore with Paul, "Christ" was Jesus' last name! EDIT: See also 2 Corinthians 1:3 & 11:31, Ephesians 1:3 & 1:17, & Colossians 1:3
I disagree. You provide other interpretations of the scriptures, but not necessarily the right ones just because something can be explained in various ways. From the verses you mentioned: Paul said Jesus will judge the world. Who will judge the world on his throne in the Old Testament? *Debate ended*. As for 2 Philipians 5-11, the mistake you did was confuse the terms morphi (form) and ikona(image) although your explanation was interesting. What does emptied himself and taking the form (not role) of a servant mean? The Messiah in the Old Testament is considered divine. Jesus is the "first fruits of the resurrection that is to come". Ok, how does this contradict Jesus incarnating and being God? You say there are many meanings for the phrase son of God BUT if you study the texts in context, you will understand the meaning. Jesus literally says the Father is his Father not just spiritually. For to which one of the angels does God say "You are my son"? I would appreciate an answer from you.
Its ridiculous. The gospels were originally written as spiritual allegory before it was edited by Rome. The OT defines the virgin daughter of Zion that gives birth to her SONS. The Son of God is not one person. And crucifixion and resurrection were spiritual as is being begotten of the Fathers incorruptible seed. Rome liberalized an allegory leading billions into deception.
Yes we do. Genesis 1:1: "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." John 1:1: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Revelation 19:13: "And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God." Revelation 22:21: "The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen." I like to reflect on the last words of atheists as they fall into eternity and they see Hell open before them. People who spend all their days trying to deny the Living God must have a great punishment. 🤔 Better pray I'm wrong. 🙏😘
I remember reading Dunn after I was exiting the JWs and was considering that Jesus didn't preexist his birth. I still think the JW position makes a lot of sense, but so did the Trinity and Sabellian. I'm very glad that today i sent have any emotional ties to act of it and can just let the scholars do their work.
Jesus absolutely pre-existed his birth according to John 17. Jesus himself prays that the Father will restore the glory he had with the Father "before the world was". 2 things: - Shared glory - Preexisting the world Leaves you with very little options on denying his divinity
Before becoming an atheist I was one of Jehovah's Witnesses for 30 years. So yes, I'm not the least bit surprised to find out that Paul did not believe Jesus was God 😂
The good point made here is that Jesus was God's example of every believer who had faith in him. Christianity is not a belief system, it is God's life in the soul.
What state are Enoch Elija in since they were taken up…..and what about Noah Abraham and David, these people were favored by YAWEH. Are all humans before JESUS…ALL ASLEEP.
All sons of God are regenerated and later glorified as eloheim. ("Is it not said YE ARE eloheim"). Thats different than the ONE true Elohiem the Father. People MUST use a lexicon when reading the bible. All sons are resurrected divine because Gods spirit lives in us (as Adam was also until he sinned), but ONLY the Father is Divine. Only he gets our worship glory praise as creator. Angels are also divine but different from YHWH. Unfortunately the Greek translations into English screwed up a lot. Which i believe was on purpose to promote catholic doctrines.
A few verses from Paul's epistles will prove that you are wrong, Mr. Tabor. For example, in Romans 9:5, we read: "... Christ, who is God over all, forever praised!" As a second example, in Tit. 2:13, we read: "our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ."
If definition of God is The Creator , I am personally very sure no person in human , flesh and blood can be the same. However, my assessment is subject to my human limitations in understanding of what is possible and what is not which I believe is also an important factor we better accept unless anyone is sure he or she knows confirmedly much more than those limitations. So in a way I would like to say , I do not know, just like I prefer to say I do not know whether 'someone' created everything or everything came into being through chemical reactions or other incidental events. To me my human existence has logical limitations, and so itbis much more logical and acceptable to me to be not knowing of many things and a virtue to accept that as a fact. However, from whatever knowledge I have on this creation idea and the idea of the creator and much of that comes from my listening from Rabbi Manis Freidmann I like to argue and believe that no person living in flesh or blood can be the creator god. Divine yes and thats a personal assessment but creator or god , not logically possible subject to my personal limitations.
0:41. No, actually mainstream Christians just quote Phillippians 2. Written some time between 52 and 62CE. Game over. What then follows is a stream of possible interpretations, and in each case Dr Tabor chooses one which contradicts the orthodox view, and does so without giving specific reasons, but merely what he "thinks". It all seems very woolly and unconvincing, unless you have a specific agenda for opposing the orthodox view. If there was something more concrete than "I think", or arbitarily choosing one of a number of possible translations which supports his view rather than the one which supports the orthodox/trinitarian one, then I might be more impressed. But much like a lot of critical scholarship, it does seem the good doctor's thesis is built on a myriad of very sandy assumptions. 30:12 This just about sums it up. "I don't think it's talking about any kind of trinitarian incarnation. It doesn't fit." Well, why doesn't it fit? It doesn't fit because Dr. Tabor has spent a good ten minutes outlining his idea of Jesus as exclusively an ascetic and apocalyptic teacher, and is too wedded to his theory that anything which doesn't conform to that view simply "doesn't fit". Which is why Dr. Tabor has to try to debunk any idea of Paul believing Jesus is God. The whole of his thesis falls apart if Paul does believe Jesus is God. The trouble is that St. Paul did. Maybe not in the explicit trinitarian form which Dr. Tabor insists is necessary in order for St. Paul to be in agreement with, say, St. Athanasius. But St. Athanasius took Paul's letters, and the Gospels, and the traditions of the Church fathers, and the divine Triad from Ignatius, and we ended up with Jesus the Son of God becoming Jesus as God the Son. Primarily, it has to be said, from John's Gospel, which admittedly would have been written some 30 years or so after Paul was executed. But the terms in which St. Paul addresses Jesus, and St. Paul's Jewish heritage, make it absolutely clear that St. Paul was by no means a polytheist. With this in mind, ascribing universal worship to Jesus in, for example, Phil 2:10-11, makes it clear that either Jesus is God, or St. Paul is a polytheistic Jewish heretic. The latter, I'm afraid "doesn't fit". And so neither does Dr. Tabor's thesis.
"Game over." - Maybe you're just reciting some cult indoctrination. Philippians as we have it today is likely not the original, it is a paste of fragments of a possibly real letter from Paul. And you don't seem to get the content of Dr. Tabor's presentation.
@@TheDanEdwards No, I understand Dr. Tabor perfectly. I spelled out exactly what his primary thesis is, and you can find evidence for this in his books and videos. It's not as though any of this is hidden away somewhere, and nor is it difficult to understand. He is an academic with an agenda, all based on the critical scholarship method. But that method itself is useless at providing anything concrete. You only need to see the myriad of assumptions used to couch critical interpretations. For example, you say Phillippians is "likely not the original." Nice theory - please provide some proof. No proof - sorry, I simply don't believe you. The reconstruction of the Gospels and Epistles is a pretty strong set of evidences which makes your theory unlikely, and in any case it *is* unprovable. It's just a sceptical theory, to be given as much weight as any other unsupportable theory. What comes from that is other speculations, which is what the critical method actually is. The difference between that and my approach is that I am willing to give the documentation, such as it is, from the OT through the NT and on to the early church fathers, some of the benefit of the doubt. That the text can be read at face value, in context, and holistically. If none of the documents were related you could reasonably resort to the pic-n-mix mess that criticial scholarship mires itself in. But each document builds on those preceding it, and we get a full picture of what is going on, not by taking specific passages while ignoring the rest of the document, and also not by isolating one book from all the others. Yet Dr. Tabor does both when it suits. The critical method is, however, not without some benefits. It provides some techniques for deriving possible understandings from sources so sparse that we would be unable to find anything of value. But what the technique cannot give you is anything approaching a useable truth or proof or certainty about anything. Given the history of critical analysis from the early 19th Century - something which few scholars are at all keen on discussing - it is hardly surprising that the "historical Jesus" looks nothing like the orthodox understanding. The discipline was first set up to emasculate the text of any supernatural or divine understanding, for the simple reason that the people who started the movement were sceptics, atheists, agnostics, and deists, who wanted to be able to continue their (church-sponsored and paid) Biblical studies and not lose their jobs in their respective churches in the process. It was all couched in degrees of hypocrisy and deceit. That anything of worth has been derived from it is something of a miracle. Cult indoctrination is what people succumb to when they accept the word of academics like Drs. Tabor and Ehrman as though these are facts. They're not. They, like your postulation about the letter to the Phillippians, are unprovable and spurious theories. The difference between you and them is that they get to sell a lot of books.
Because He is the Law realized. It is according to righteousness to be circumcised. Just as He says to John the Baptist concerning His baptism, it must happen according to righteousness. He is the One who always does the right thing, so, of course, He would have needed to be circumcised because He is the very example of what we should do at all times.
I disagree with your thoughts on the first God of creation vs. the second creation of the Lord’s, as in verse 6. Paul is presenting a distinction between these two creators, which is merely copying from the God of creation of Gen 1 vs. the Lord of creation of Eden, Gen 2. In doing so, it is a clear distinction between a celestial Deity-God vs. an anthropomorphic deity or better, a preexisting celestial entity that became incarnate-a Lord. One cannot simply understand these perplexities without first understanding the the various creation molds, Gods and or Lords. Gen 1 is the creation of multiple Gods which, as outlined were preexisting celestial Deities, and the creation of Gen 1 was a global civilization/creation. Gen Two, however, is entirely separate creation of an incarnate Deity, YHWH, and is the first place in Scripture where Hebraic names appear. Gen 1 on the other hand was non Hebraic as it uses global terminology IE. Earth, heaven Sea, land, trees, grass, sun, moon and stars Etc. these are all global terminology that does not require understanding in Hebrew. So back to my point regarding these two creations and creators. God vs. the Lord which, in Paul’s view was Jesus Christ. He is basically being resembled unto Adam Kadmon. In truth however, unless we include my six thousand year creation model that places the “sun” upon the fourth day, which would obviously be Jesus/Jacob that came upon the fourth celestial day, which is the more accurate roadmap, I do not think Paul understood that, and considering all the other elements involved in the making of Christendom it is more likely an attempt to replace the first God of creation with a second, Lord of creation. Let’s not forget about that other “sun” shall I say, the rightful heir, whose seat was stolen by the supplanter and as a result, the curse has never departed from Beth-El.
Clearly, the concept of the Trinity was a development during the first century, which solidified as early as the Apostolic fathers. The writers of the Gospels and the Epistles flirt with the idea, while never explicitly saying it. It is not surprising that lifelong Jews took some time to incorporate such a major adjustment in their theology. Whether or not Paul is explicit in his writings doesn't prove or disprove the Trinity. "No one can say Jesus is LORD, except by the Holy Spirit."
Why is “Yahweh” not in the New Testament? It would’ve helped a lot if He were, because we would have known who Jesus was praying to. ABBA, the Father, is not one who gives snakes to his children.
Yes, it's clear that Paul believed Jesus is God. He replaced the letters of YHVH with Jesus. This indicates confidently that Paul believed Jesus is YHVH.
@@chicassoproductions8527 Well, yes it is. And to get to the truth we look at evidence etc. In Romans 1: 3-4 there is no evidence for the claim that Paul replaces any name with any other name, that is speculation only. What it definitely DOES say is that Jesus was appointed as 'Son of God'. Paul was a man of his Helenistic time and his version of Jesus deity is the Greek/Roman idea of the Hero rewarded with divine status because of his overcomming of evil or of his sacrifice. This permeates Paul's writing in other places to.
"From whom" means the power to create came from God, the Father. "For whom" means that Jesus created us for God the Father. "...Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we exist..." Means Jesus is the creator. He created us under the direction of and by the power of God, the Father.
No, the writer of John (whoever that was) stupidly writes that "Jesus" quotes Psalm 82, which clearly asserts that those "gods" would "die like men." Some gods, eh?
The written word of Yahuah does not use the word GOD ever. The syncretic translations, sure. But the hebrews would never use a word as stupid as GOD because they name things based on its distinct trait and/or function. EL/AL means mighty leader/teacher/guide.
The presence of a "Hellenistic" mysterious current at the founding act of Christianity is known, mysteries into which Jesus must also have been initiated.
I love James Tabor but I really don’t agree with his take on Philippians 2:5 denying Paul’s belief in Jesus’ pre-existence. He’s overthinking this one. “He emptied himself..became a slave..was in God’s form but then later in the likeness of men, finding himself in a human role”. It’s obvious what he’s talking about. Doesn’t Paul also say god created all things through Christ? Or is that in a pseudo-Pauline writing?
Look at it this way: In ancient times when someone saved someone's life, that person was in debt to him for the rest of his life. He became his slave or servant. We all suffer the consequences of sin. The consequence of sin is death because no unclean thing can dwell with God. In order for God to resurrect us from the dead and still remain a Righteous/Just God, God himself (in the personage of Jesus) must die even though he hasn't sinned. Because he died when he didn't deserve to die, he can resurrect us. It's the only way to reverse a broken law. We are in debt to God to keep his commandments because he saved our lives from eternal death. When one is baptized, one makes a covenant with God to keep his commandments, and God covenants with you to save you from sin and death by forgiving you when you sincerely repent and by resurrecting you after you die. Matthew 28 ¶ Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. Jeremiah 5: 4 Therefore I said, Surely these are poor; they are foolish: for they know not the way of the Lord, nor the judgment of their God. 5 I will get me unto the great men, and will speak unto them; for they have known the way of the Lord, and the judgment of their God: but these have altogether broken the yoke, and burst the bonds.
With respect Dr. Tabor... with all this many interpretations how there could be a way for realization? Or it is better to cut through the smoke of all this brain fog?
1 Corinthians 15 24-28 24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. Compare Genesis 41: 40 Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than thou. Paul makes it very clear that Jesus has been given all authority, but there are clearly defined limits.
@@onejohn2.26.Wrong. Sha'ul WARNED his fellow talmidim of the false messengers/teachers who will corrupt the good news and teach a different messiah; one who never sinned from the day he was born, one who even existed before the creation of the world, heck one who is God himself disguised as a man. Sounds familiar?
At 0:17 the question is posed. The Jewish-Christian tradition vehemently insists there is only one JEALOUS almighty, and this leads to nonsense like the Trinity (which Dr. Tabor or Dr Ehrman described, "if you think you understand it, you don't understand"). God can answer to any name, and God can assume any form that suits the devotee. If you like Jesus, pray to Jesus and the prayer goes to God. If you like Trump? I like the heresy that even Satan (and therefore satanists) will be saved.
Trinity, false doctrine, this message was sent to another gentleman, but applicable, The trinity doctrine is pagan, a man-made doctrine, taught by demons. Anyone who teaches that Jesus is fully God and yet fully human is a liar. The incarnation taught by men, defined as God becoming flesh is a lie. A mans' doctrine, taught by a man to another man, by a man with no understanding. You mentioned 1 Corinthians 8, so what does this book teach on the relationship between Elohim and Yeshua? For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. Paul is telling you that there is one (1) God and one (1) Lord. Why does he say Jesus Christ, by whom are all things? How did God create the heavens and earth? He spoke them into existence. When you read Johns' gospel how does it start? In the beginning, ever heard this before? A Hebrew/Jew understands that if a scriptural text is referenced then the listener needs to be fully cognizant about the refenced text, as it will have bearing on the meaning of what is being said. When John says the word was God or God was the word, whichever translation you read: John is telling you that God was the "orator". God was speaking the creation into existence. This is the reason that Christ is called the word of God; this is his origin. Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; (He made the worlds through Christ) Ephesians 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ. (He made/spoke all things through Christ) Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God. (Christ testifies of himself that he was the beginning of the creation) Further in 1 Corinthians we find: 1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. (appears we have a chain of command, not equality) John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. Further in 1 Corinthians 15:27-28 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. (Christ is in subjection to his Father) Zebedees' wife asked if her sons could sit on the right and left of Christ in the kingdom. His answer: Matthew 20:20-23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father. (why is Christ deferring to his Father?) Matthew 24:35-36 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. (Christ said the temple (called heaven and earth by the Jews) would be destroyed. But why didn't he know the day and hour? Because the scripture states it had an appointed (kairos) time to happen, and the Father is the one who appointed that time. Mans' doctrine of the incarnation: God came down and took on flesh is a lie, nowhere taught in the scripture, nowhere. The scriptures doctrine of the incarnation: 1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. (God sent his son, not himself) John repeats this doctrine in 2 John 7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Lastly, will leave you with this thought and it is not a paradox. It can be fully understood. God is not a God of confusion. Can God be tempted by evil? The answer is no. Was Jesus Christ tempted by evil? The answer is yes, in every way. Do you see the doctrinal problem of the trinity? God came down to earth, became a man, acted as if he could be tempted, when in all reality he can't be tempted........The gospel becomes a farce, laughable. Just a side show people, nothing to see here......this message is sent in love, your friend
Yes, the Old Testament taught to keep the commandments and repent, but it also taught that forgiveness was possible because of the atonement. This is why Moses taught them to observe the Day of Atonement. The high priest took upon himself the sins of the people, like a father taking responsibility for the sins of his minor child. Instead of the priest being sacrificed, he transferred the sins onto the scape goat which was sent into the wilderness (to the devil), and another animal without blemish was sacrificed. Here is proof: Adam and Eve died. They could not just say "sorry" and be forgiven. They had to suffer the consequence of sin (justice), but God provided a way for them to be forgiven and resurrected someday (mercy).
We came to the understanding that YaHWaH is the ONLY Elohim and that Yeshua - His "designated sin" ( NOY "only begotten son" is the only human who lived a perfect life. This first perfect "Son of YaH" was resurrected and went to be in heaven with Abba Father Elohim to be our High Priest until he returns for the final battle against the adversary. He will then take the other "sons of YaH" (no longer male or female) to be in the New Jerusalem on the renewed earth. Can you please explain the immaculate conception? Who is Yeshua's earthly father? Did YaH place a human sperm in Mary's reproductive system? Thank you so much, Dr. Tabor. This journey has been long and Amazing! All Glory to YaHWaH, the One and ONLY ELOHIM!🙌🏻
🔥The Father/Spirit and Son/flesh relationship.✝ "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." -John 3:6 KJV 🙏To understand the Father and Son relationship we must understand that Jesus Christ speaks as a man of flesh and always points to the Spirit above because the Spirit above is ABOVE ALL and is always greater than flesh. But Jesus Christ is truly that Holy Spirit from above who is ABOVE ALL, and THROUGH ALL, and IN YOU All and is God our Father who manifest in the flesh as the scriptures declare that He came fashioned as a man and as a man Jesus Christ cannot directly claim that He is God because that would show God a man when God is not a man but a single Holy Spirit from above who is ABOVE ALL, and THROUGH ALL, and IN YOU All and much more than a man of flesh but Jesus Christ does tell us INDIRECTLY many times that He is our Father even referring to us as sons and daughters. 👑Indirectly Jesus claims to be God, the🔥Father, and the✝Son/Christ.👇 "And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God." -Mark 10:18 🐑"I am the good shepherd:👈👉the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep." -John 10:11 KJV👑 "Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. 45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me." -John 12:44-45 KJV "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?" -John 14:6-9 KJV God is a single person/Spirit, not person's! "Will ye accept👉his person?👀will ye contend for God?" -Job 13:8 KJV "HIM", not them is our Father! "God is👉a Spirit: and they that worship👉HIM must worship HIM👈in spirit and in truth." -John 4:24 KJV "HIM" manifest in the flesh as the Son because God is more than a man. "The first man is of the earth, earthy;👉the second man is👉the Lord from heaven." -1 Corinthians 15:47 KJV God is the Father/Spirit and Son/flesh! "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." -John 3:6 KJV That is why Jesus Christ said, "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." -John 6:63 KJV Spirit came forth from Spirit and there is only 1 Spirit known as "HIM", not them! One Spirit and One Body = One Lord! "There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God --->and
How do you know a man? You know a man by his fruit. God’s word is very well established and God confirms his word so don’t let this man confuse you. For confusion flows forth through these videos and lies and deception and lack of faith in God’s work to preserve His Word.
You are right about the spiritual Rock that followed them. There was none. Also in Genesis 3, Satan said they would be like gods, not equal to the one true God, if they ate the fruit. They ate the fruit and then they knew good vs evil (their eyes were opened). Thank you James for this in-depth look at Paul's writings. My eyes have been opened concerning the New Testament for a little while now. Attributing everything concerning a Messianic figure in the Tanach to Jesus in the N.T. is just wrong from what I can see. Jesus is not divine nor God and does not sit at the right hand of God the Father (not even in a spiritual sense). See Deut 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD (YAH) our God is one LORD. I really like your videos regarding the Talpiot tomb as well. Too bad you can't go in all the way into the second tomb. You did great with a camera though. Thank you.
NUMERICAL ONE DECLARATION. Isaiah 45:5-7 is not only a confirmation of the Shema Yisrael but it is actually a NUMERICAL ONE declaration, in terms of Philisophical Mathenatics, let us examine this : Isaiah 45:5-7 I am YHVH, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me, 6so that from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting people may know there is none besides me. I am YHVH, and there is no other. 7I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I YHVH do all these things. A) I am YHVH : ONE YHVH B) And there is NO OTHER : And (Plural) or DOUBLE CONFIRMATION of Singular/ONE which is (No Other). C) Apart from me : MINUS everything (Numerical One) D) There is NO God : Another Minus everything or Numerical One. E) From Rising of the Sun to the place of its setting : Numerical ZERO (One cannot find). F) There is none besides me : 0 + 1 = 1 G) I am YHVH : Singularity Numerical One. H) And there is no other : Double Zero (IS and No other). I) I form the light and create darkness : 1 x 1 x 1 = 1 J) I make peace and create evil : 1 x 1x 1 = 1 K) I YHVH do all these things : I YHVH (1) x 1 = 1
So, I think we treat Caesars claim to be God and Christians' claims for Jesus in the same way - neither were Gods. The difference is that no one goes about nowadays asking people to worship Roman Emperors.
I would say Rome made Jesus god once they took over the religion. The original christians didn't believe he was god. And a lot of them were murdered for not accepting he was god. And Rome even made Emperor's gods. So to them, it wouldn't have been a real religion if he was human. And they hated Jews, so they made Jesus their god, not the Jewish one. And Romans created the trinity idea. They often mixed 3 gods as one. Egyptians mixed 2. Jews would never have come up with that.
The three in one trinity idea is wrong. God the Father and Jesus Christ are two separate beings, but united as one just as Jesus told his disciples they should be one: John 17: Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. John 8: 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. So he's saying he is Jehovah. Jehovah isn't God the Father. Jehovah (Jesus ) created us by the power and under the direction of God the Father.
@@jansteinvonsquidmeirsteen2256 Jesus was a spirit before he was born. He was Jehovah. He created the earth under the direction of God the Father. (He isn't named) He was a separate being from God, but united as one with God. God created the world through him.
@@onika700 This is very similar to what Margaret Barker say, differentiating between YWYW and El. Thanks for clarifying. Is this LDS theology or you're getting this elsewhere?
Paul thought Jesus was a preexistent being like moses and the patriarchs were.but was exalted to become gods viceroy to rule over the new earth and all mankind to understand Paul’s theology read the book of Enoch and some of the Pseudepigrapha.Paul in no way thought Jesus was god if he did he wouldn’t have said stuff like this ”but each one in proper order: Christ the firstfruits; then, at his coming, those who belong to Christ; then comes the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has destroyed every sovereignty and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death, for “he subjected everything under his feet.” But when it says that everything has been subjected, it is clear that it excludes the one who subjected everything to him. When everything is subjected to him, then the Son himself will [also] be subjected to the one who subjected everything to him, so that God may be all in all. Practical Arguments.“ 1 Corinthians 15:23-28 NABRE ”The God and Father of the Lord Jesus knows, he who is blessed forever, that I do not lie.“ 2 Corinthians 11:31 NABRE ”We know that Christ, raised from the dead, dies no more; death no longer has power over him. As to his death, he died to sin once and for all; as to his life, he lives for God.“ Romans 6:9-10 NABRE You can’t be god and have a god it doesn’t work lol so paul most definitely thought of Jesus as a preexistent being that was exalted to become gods viceroy and representative and everyone will serve him and he will be everyone’s king.Paul’s view of Jesus would’ve been in line with a lot of the rabbis of the 1st century except for dying for your sins and rising again none of the Pseudepigrapha mention or describe a suffering dying for your sins messiah by that’s about the only difference and probably the biggest reason reason not a lot of Jews converted but a lot of Jews did believe in a preexistent exalted heavenly messiah that will save Israel and be gods viceroy.lots of Jews since after the second temple exile thought you could atone for your sins in multiple different ways like charity repentance mercy prayer etc.
Jesus is not God. He is a New Creation of The Most High, who by the way is not Jehovah aka Yahweh. Demons had their spawn. God gave us His son with free will to choose His calling (Psalm 40:7 ) and was resurrected and elevated to a position higher than the angels. He was in his Father’s purpose ,his intent as defining the word logos,in the beginning and all things were created with him in mind. He is to be worshipped as His Father and all angels must honor him Jesus has the keys to life and eternal death, aka Hell. When death is destroyed and Satan.killed,crushed in the head, he will turn the kingdom and it’s firstftuits and all the chosen, over to his Father. He is coming back soon to wreck this NWO and and call His chosen home. He saw his calling in scripture at Psalms 40:7-9 , Isaiah 53 chapter, among other verses. He accepted his mission.
Using Paul's words to demonstrate Paul's beliefs, is an honest approach.
Thank you.
"blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ" Col 1.3
Eph 1.3 & 1.17
Rom 1.3
2cor 1.3 & 11.31
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thanks for this
This is correct! So then, what is he the first and last of? I think you might know.
@@theredeemeriam read Dr. Tabor's articles on the origins of the book of Revelation. There you'll see who the First and the Last is.
Paul replaced the letters YHVH with Jesus, so yes, He believed Jesus is YHVH or God.
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Seeing as I already know, why don't you just save me some time and fill me in as to what James says.
Thanks Professor for this enlightening teaching which confirms the idea that I have formed after reading the gospels independent of the church's interpretation.
This makes me want to go read Paul again.
Thank you Dr. Tabor for your sincere and scholarly insight on this issue.
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I am hanging on every word from this dissertation.
Thank you for presenting us with this detailed and authentic information.
Johnny Boy
Excellent video as always, the effort Dr. Tabor put in his videos is second to none Thanks!
The Apostle Paul believes that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God, not God.
Paul knows the difference between the Messiah and God Almighty.
Jesus never called anyone a Christian.
How can i get this god mode too?
@Bible-Christian
actually no. Its a translation from messianic. And there were messiahs besides Jesus.
@Bible-ChristianI've heard the name, "Christian," was originally an epithet or denigration somehow. If that's true, it's kinda awesome.
@Bible-Christian nice. I really admire the early Christians.
@Bible-Christianyou do know that you still have to follow The Old Testament as far as the 10 commandments you still have to turn away from your sin that you worship more then God then Have faith that Jesus died for you and treat others hers the way you want to be treated which is loving and kind but if you think you can do just one without the other then your still in sin that separates you from God people misinterpret the Bible and it will cost us our souls Jesus never said stop following God because God nature of who is is never changes his word never changes nor his law he is eternity he will never contradict himself he’s not human he’s a Energy a Spiritual Holy Force Yes Jesus is his son but you have to Follow God worship God and honor his Son for what he did you can’t skip steps you have to do the whole thing to please God
James Tabor, your conclusion at 39:26 makes the truth simple, and easily understandable. Why was such a complex Christological weave woven over time?
I believe in the triune nature of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Jesus is eternal the same as is the Father and the Holy Spirit. Jesus's deity is apparent in Genesis at the creation and the Spirit was also. He was the Great I Am that spoke to Moses. "Before Abraham was I Am.
@@blairwilliamson5554if you believe in "God the Son" (a phrase that is not in any bible)
Then you believe in your words, not His words.
@@blairwilliamson5554 God is ‘The One’, transcendent, Eternal,I.e., timeless and spaceless, thought thinking thinking.
I'm a Christian skeptic but still love listing to Dr Tabor. 👍
pretty sure tabor is a skeptic as well.. doesn't confess to be a christian. . leans more towards a Hebraic spiritual belief, but christianity is his job
Same here. I don’t agree with everything he says, but his PhD trumps my feeble knowledge of the scriptures. I do think he’s a low key Christian though.
@NatsarimGuard Yes, Dr. Tabor is a member of the United Israel World Union. I absolutely love when he presents the Sabbath Torah portions. He has beautiful insight!
I'm pretty certain that's the only people who listen to him and takes him seriously.
the people that don't take him seriously are generally fundamentalists who follow mythology and man made traditions@@JukeBoxDestroyer
Great lecture Dr. Tabor, thanks. I just started my own series on the different "Christianities" of the first centuries, and I'm going to counter this problem next. Bart Ehrman has been really helpful as well. 😀
5:03== When you said, "Let us start with some caveats..." I thought I heard, "let us start with some CAVIAR..." That got me excited.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge, Dr. Tabor.
How would you compare the teachings presented in gnostic gospels of Thomas / Philip - with Letters of the New Testament, that is with Pauline teachings and the following doctrines of the early Orthodox/Catholic church? Can this become one of your next topics?
The Tyndale bible translated the logos correctly in John 1. The logos is an IT not a HIM. The logos (wisdom and power of YHWH) becomes flesh whenever someone is begotten of the Fathers incorruptible seed. The logos is intangible until IT is formed or risen (the LIGHT) in you. The first resurrection into new life.
Thank you so much for this
Partly correct, except John wasn't written originally in greek but hebrew. So i wasn't logos but DABAR. Dabar means a promise, plan, decree. The same stated in Psalms when it says " the heavens declare the UPRIGHTNESS of Yahuah, the skies proclaim the work of his hands."
Ever wondered what the stars are revealing as his UPRIGHTNESS? What is being proclaimed as "the work of his hand"?
The Logos is definitely a Him and He is Jesus but when referring to words of God as the idea of the sounds that come from God, then, yes, it is rightly understood as an it, however, John 1 is talking about a person and, in context, that person is Jesus.
@@chicassoproductions8527 even if the LOGOS is a man, it absolutely cannot be Jesus, because Jesus is as real as Batman.
@@bijou989 Well, the truth is the truth.
Thank you for your work 🙏🏽
Greetings James Tabor, The resurrection Paul preached:
12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? Christ told the apostles to raise the dead. They were not preaching to cemeteries. You are born again/raised/resurrected/quickened, while you are breathing. Definition of the dead: Christ was sent to the lost sheep of Israel, per his testimony. They were "dead", because they had fallen into idolatry and broken their covenant. These people are breathing.
13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen. Christ was crucified to pay sin debt. He was not crucified to save flesh. If the dead (man walking in sin) is not being restored (raised/resurrected/quickened) then Christ didn't pay the debt. If this is not happening, right now, actively, then Christ never rose.
14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. Might as well quit now. None of you have been raised/resurrected. Your faith, that he atoned for your sin, didn't actually happen.
15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. Are people being raised/resurrected/born again or not? Yes, by the thousands.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised. The gospel is going to the ends of the known world. People are being born again/resurrected. You pass from death to life, while you are breathing. If this is not an active, right now, happening now event, then Christ never paid the debt for the resurrection of the dead. Christ lied when he said, "I am the resurrection".
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. You are still dead. Your sins have not been atoned for.......pitifull
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. What happened to the people who have physically/biologically died that were born again/raised/resurrected when they were breathing? Guess they didn't get eternal life.........
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. This life is short. Set your hearts on things above, that are eternal.
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. Lets quit beating around the bush; we all know that he rose from the dead; this is a known fact. He has started the resurrection/restoration of mankind.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. Adam was told he would die the day he ate the fruit (listened to Satan). He didn't physically/biologically die that day, he physicall/biologically lived another 800+ years. Thus, the death Adam experienced was not via the flesh, but spiritual death, caused by sinning. How is this fixed? Believe in the atoning work of Christ, which raises a man out of death, caused by sin.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. Adam started a bad situation for mankind. Christ fixed the problem. Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned. Romans 5 elaborates. Hebrews 11:35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection: Obviously, a biological/flesh resurrection was not what they were looking for.....after they received their dead back to life (obviously they died again in the flesh) the scripture spoke of a "better resurrection". Thus, this better resurrection, this city that Abraham was looking for, that he could not locate on the earth, with buildings, etc., was coming from above. Hebrews 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. This is the New Jerusalem coming down from heaven that John wrote about in Revelation 21. And he got his doctrine of this new heaven and earth from Isaiah 65 & 66.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Christ said, "I am the resurrection", he is the beginning of the resurrection/restoration/raising of the dead, starts with him, he was the sacrifice that initiated the raising/restoring/resurrecting of people. Then the firstfruits, first believers, the gospel started in Jerusalem and made its way to the entire known world (took 40 years,a generation). Next, the consummation of the resurrection. After the gospel was preached to the known world, now comes the end. Christ is revealed, temple destroyed, judgment. For those alive, breathing, at his coming, they were fortunate to witness and participate in this consummation event, the gathering is concluded, the harvest is fully reaped.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. Who is opposed to the gospel? Who denied Christ? The apostate priesthood in Jerusalem/called Babylon by Peter, and anyone who denies Christs' claim that he was the resurrection.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. Psalm 110 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. Christ quotes in Mark 12:36 How long till Christ returns? Acts 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. Took 40 years for gospel to make it around the known world, one generation, Romans 10:18,16:26 Col 1:23
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. Physical death? No Christ said: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Obviously, physical/biological death is not the subject or Christ is a liar. What administered death? The law. Christ is going to destroy the temple and end the old covenant, the law. Galatians 4 & 2 Corinthians 3 elaborate completely on this subject, clarifying what death Christ destroyed at his coming/Parousia, which occurred 2,000 years past, per Christs' own testimony, Matt 16:28. It is finished, your friend
Thks for writing all that out. 👍 And in the end / beginning, Christ return's to redeem this 🌍 earth, (God's creation) 🙏
Greetings, Christ returned when he said he would return, Matt 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.. He said all prophecy would be fulfilled in his generation, Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. There is no more prophecies in the scriptures yet to be fulfilled. Men teach doctrines of men: such as a 3rd coming, a physical/carnal kingdom coming to the earth, a trinity, a rapture, easter; all of these doctrines are pagan, taught by men. None of these doctrines are taught in the scriptures, none of them, people believe what they have been told to believe.
Pertaining to the coming of Christ and the kingdom: They tried to make Christ king on the earth when he was here the first time, he refused, per the scriptures. The pharisees asked him when the kingdom would come? They envisioned this geopolitical governmental establishment on the earth; this is what they were looking for, take out our Roman adversary and let us rule again.....What was Christs' reply? What does the kingdom look like? Luke 17:20-21 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. Where does Christ rule from? the earth? No John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. He rules from heaven, this is his abode, he is not coming back to the earth.
Christ was sent specifically to Israel. The Jews were Gods' proxy to show himself holy among mankind. God made a covenant with the Hebrews/Jews. They broke the covenant, per all the prophets. Christ was sent in the "last days" of this covenant to bring judgement associated with this covenant. What did the law of this covenant say? Christ said the temple would be destroyed, ending this covenant. When you read Hebrews 8 - 10 you will see the new covenant prophesied in Jeremiah quoted twice and the old covenant about to vanish away 8:13, it did. Mankind lives under the new covenant, based on righteousness, that lasts forever. this message is sent in love, your friend
@@markmoore3530 but wait, what was that prayer Jesus taught us, "thy kingdom come, thy will be done ON EARTH as it is in heaven"
Greetings friend, Christ prayed this prayer "thy kingdom come" 2,000 years ago, with his disciples. So, he is still waiting for this prayer to be answered? No, not per the scriptures. Matt 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. Until they are told. Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass, Now he knows, about his imminent return, to happen shortly, "I come quickly' (repeated 7 times in Revelation), for 2,000 years.........Is it your opinion that God (his Father) lied to him? Why did Peter tell his audience they would witness the revelation? 1 Peter 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. Is Peter a liar? What about James? What did he tell the 12 tribes of Israel? James 5:8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh. The very next verse he tells the 12 tribes that the judge is standing at the door. Why? because Christ was about to be revealed. What about Paul who wrote half of the new testament letters? He told everyone, in almost all his letters, that Christ was coming, in their lifetime. Why? Why is every new testament writer saying the same thing? Because Christ told them he was coming in their lifetime, they believed him. this message is sent in love, your friend
This is in progress. There's a reason the believes are the "body of Christ". We're the ones to fulfill the prophesies of peace on Earth.
Jesus brought us the teachings, we are the successors that need to apply it to the world. @@gokartbob6478
Humans have always sought to over define things - human reasoning becoming the foundation for belief.
Humans had overestimated themselves many times in past and be humbled in the process, while many had underestimated themselves too and let others lord over them unnecessarily.
So thats a relative situation most of the time if not always and thats how our history came around in repeating circles.
@@ABO-Destiny Mark Twain said that history doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes.
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Probably he was correct, i used that often repeated phrase loosely.
Paul is likely referring to a Jewish tradition that the rock which Moses struck in Exodus followed the Israelites through their travels, giving water until Miriam’s death in Numbers.
It was Moses who struck the rock
To the early apostles, Iesu was our Lord and Saviour who showed the Way. It was He who taught us ALL to say, “OUR Father…”. Constantine was outvoted at the Council of Nicaea when they decided that he was a god.
Mr. Tabor makes us christians ( so called) ...think and re-read ...i suggest that this short life is not teally long enough to get it all but that is why faith is so very important....be happy all God does for us and happy for people who think somewhat different. We may talk communicate and no hatting ....like some people online who demonize whole people groups just because they worship God on a different day than they.
Paul believed that Jesus was God's first creation ,that he existed before coming to earth
No, he didn't!
@davidjanbaz7728 Colossians 1:15,"The Son is the image of the Invisible God,the firstborn over all creation".
This refers to Jesus inheriting all of God's power and authority. This is rooted in the belief of the blessing of the firstborn from Tanakh.
In Hebrews 1, Paul says the Father refers to the Son as "God" @@xxxs8309
He was formed from the eternal divine essence, not created from nothing.
It seems Jude believed this as well. So it looks like the early Christians had an ebionite view that Jesus was a divine son of God who came to earth(most likely the mysterious angel of Yahweh) but not God.
Awesome video.
When is Jesus Archeology #15??? You said you’d explain your formula :(
"God" has a wide range of meanng in the Hebrew scriptures.
But there is only one "Elyon"... most high.
Even the book of John rejects the idea that Jesus was the "Most High"
He was the _son of_ the Most High.
(P.S. book of John is obviously very much influenced by Philo of Alexandria's surmisings.)
Paul did not assert Jesus was the Most High.
Paul consistently uses subordinationist language.
I have called Paul many things but screwball made me laugh. Thanks for that. YAH bless.
Paul thinks Jesus is “the Lord” in the Old Testament.
Can someone give me the conclusion of the video?
I have no time to go through thw whole Video..
Thanks.
Make time! 😂
The answer to the title of the video is "no"
How does near death experiencing square with Paul's views?
In 1 Thessalonians, which you quote, Paul refers to believers as turning from idols and to the 'true God'. There is no doubt that early Christians worshipped Jesus - even Roman records say that. But it would be idolatrous to worship anyone except God. Therefore Paul is clearly saying Jesus is God because they have left idols to worship and serve Him.
For anyone interested in an alternative understanding to that presented here, I would suggest 'How God Became Jesus' by Simon Gathercole etc which was written as a response to Bart Ehrman's book.
you say there is no doubt that Christians worshipped Jesus.. well sure, but there is also no doubt that ancient Jews wrongly worshipped Baal. it does not make it proper. Paul had to keep writing letters and so did John because what the greek Christians were doing was mainly in error and needed to be corrected . just like the prophets of old always corrected apostate Israel
Idolatrous to worship anyone except God?! Abraham WORSHIPPED the people of the land and yet God stated that Abraham was his friend. Maybe you should find out what the hebrew word for worship means first before spouting nonsense.
It's not nonsense. Jesus is God in the flesh. It's that easy to understand. In the earthly realm God is Jesus. In the heavenly realm God is the Angel of God or the Spirit of God and there is the soul of God known as the Father or the Power Above. God is one person that is expressed multidimensionally just as you have a body, spirit and soul, however, we are experiencing Him interacting with Himself multidimensionally simultaneously. He is not three persons; He is One.
your right, it is that easy to understand.. makes a lot of sense actually. However none of it is taught in scripture so its irrelevant or not how well we understand a concept that is made up in the mind of man. Jesus being god in flesh is a man made concept, not scriptural or taught as truth by the Spirit of Truth@@chicassoproductions8527
@@chicassoproductions8527 you mean God had to learn how to be obedient...to himself?
Although I believe that Jesus IS NOT God, but pre existed prior to his incarnation in a type of exalted angelic form, I thoroughly enjoyed this study.
Paul does, I will have to look up the verse . But he says and God who gave up his own life for us. Or something along those lines. There is a second verse as well. I’m just wondering how scholars decide what is and isn’t Paul’s writings.
Similarly, you’ve gotta see, “Jesus’ Biological Father was Joseph: According to the New Testament” by DS WAGGONER - it nails it
I have never read the 7 letters of Paul in this manner and I am not a linguist but it does seem like Paul really didn't class Jesus as "God". The word Messiah is mentioned but he seems to substitute this term with "son of God" which is relatable (as not meaning God) but not as objectionable to Jews as Messiah would have been ( the Jewish Priests never considered Jesus eligible for that title despite his alleged genealogy quoted in the new testament Bibles). You have to say that Professor Tabors argument that Paul didn't consider Jesus as God is convincing beyond reasonable doubt!
Is there a chance that Saul/Paul's Christ Jesus was his personal translation of the Tetragrammaton?
Paul's Christ was an angel of Satan which he admitted he was possessed by
@@onejohn2.26. I think this is highly plausible in regards to the "blood" references. Do you have any videos or texts to reference in this regard?
NOT if he believed his Christ was a literal historical figure born the son of david, lived, and died on a cross
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Paul admitted, in his own writings, that he was possessed by an Angel of Satan and he hasand he asked his Jesus to remove this from him and his Jesus refused, three times
That doesn't sound like Yeshua Messiah to me.
I can recommend to you to look at the whiteI can recommend to you to look at the white tea Channel called Jesus words onlyI can recommend to you to look at the YT Channel called Jesus' Words Only, he is an attorney and debunks Paul on a daily basis using scriptures and extra biblical writingss.
Also, take a look at lapidalso, take a look at Lapid Judaism, use a Rabbi that believes that Yeshua is the Messiah
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Paul claims he physically met Jesus on the road to DamascusPaul , and that's violates the return doctrine of Christ himself, who said he would not return unless he would be seen from east to west and if someone saw him in the wilderness, do not believe him
Very good lecture, Dr. Tabor, but I'm convinced that Paul was a mythicist (docetist) and comes off as such in Philippians 2:5-11. There was a Jewish legend at the time that the Garden of Eden was in Paradise (Heaven) and when Adam and Eve got kicked out they descended to Earth, passing the planet in some sort of heavenly vehicle. I remember reading the legend somewhere and I think it was in Von Damiken's _Chariots of the Gods._ I could have read it somewhere else though.
Thankyou Dr Tabor. Interesting fact: in the first two decades of the 1800s the majority of the inhabitants of Boston Massachusetts belonged to congregations that were unitarian, not Trinitarian.
Paul believe Paul was the ‘Christ’, not the God of Israel who he calls ‘the Lord’..
Exactly because Paul was one of Titus's many Pen names, Titus was the Chrestus author of All biblical scripture.
@@tyronecox5976 prove it
Yet he calls Jesus Christ "one Lord", separate from "God the Father", and "our Lord" (1 Corinthians 8:4 & Romans 1:3). Furthermore with Paul, "Christ" was Jesus' last name!
EDIT: See also 2 Corinthians 1:3 & 11:31, Ephesians 1:3 & 1:17, & Colossians 1:3
@@edwardmiessner6502your ignorance is obvious.
lol Paul literally calls Jesus “Lord” over 100 times.
I disagree. You provide other interpretations of the scriptures, but not necessarily the right ones just because something can be explained in various ways. From the verses you mentioned: Paul said Jesus will judge the world. Who will judge the world on his throne in the Old Testament? *Debate ended*.
As for 2 Philipians 5-11, the mistake you did was confuse the terms morphi (form) and ikona(image) although your explanation was interesting. What does emptied himself and taking the form (not role) of a servant mean?
The Messiah in the Old Testament is considered divine. Jesus is the "first fruits of the resurrection that is to come". Ok, how does this contradict Jesus incarnating and being God? You say there are many meanings for the phrase son of God BUT if you study the texts in context, you will understand the meaning. Jesus literally says the Father is his Father not just spiritually. For to which one of the angels does God say "You are my son"?
I would appreciate an answer from you.
I can’t imagine that Christians believe that Mary was holding God Almighty in her hands as a baby 👶
It would have been the perfect opportunity for Satan to take control if it was God who was the infant.
greek mythology,, they believe all sorts of silly nonsense. baby God, sure why not
Its ridiculous. The gospels were originally written as spiritual allegory before it was edited by Rome.
The OT defines the virgin daughter of Zion that gives birth to her SONS. The Son of God is not one person. And crucifixion and resurrection were spiritual as is being begotten of the Fathers incorruptible seed. Rome liberalized an allegory leading billions into deception.
Why not he is one of us not a them and after all we're just ordinary men
Yes we do.
Genesis 1:1: "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
John 1:1: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
Revelation 19:13: "And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God."
Revelation 22:21: "The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen."
I like to reflect on the last words of atheists as they fall into eternity and they see Hell open before them.
People who spend all their days trying to deny the Living God must have a great punishment. 🤔
Better pray I'm wrong. 🙏😘
In Hebrews 1, it is not world, but ages. It has some difference.
Isaiah 43:11
I, I am the Lord, and besides me, there is no savior.
I remember reading Dunn after I was exiting the JWs and was considering that Jesus didn't preexist his birth. I still think the JW position makes a lot of sense, but so did the Trinity and Sabellian. I'm very glad that today i sent have any emotional ties to act of it and can just let the scholars do their work.
I think the problem is; using a word that is not in the bible, to try to prove something in the bible. 😮😢
Jesus absolutely pre-existed his birth according to John 17.
Jesus himself prays that the Father will restore the glory he had with the Father "before the world was".
2 things:
- Shared glory
- Preexisting the world
Leaves you with very little options on denying his divinity
Before becoming an atheist I was one of Jehovah's Witnesses for 30 years. So yes, I'm not the least bit surprised to find out that Paul did not believe Jesus was God 😂
Paul's pietous views on resurrection gave us a pietous morality that Christ would not endorse. The original sin is how we perceive the sins of others.
Did Paul believe in the Trinity ??
Larry hurtado would have been a great one to include in this mix
The good point made here is that Jesus was God's example of every believer who had faith in him. Christianity is not a belief system, it is God's life in the soul.
What state are Enoch Elija in since they were taken up…..and what about Noah Abraham and David, these people were favored by YAWEH. Are all humans before JESUS…ALL ASLEEP.
Discussion after 8:00 - was Jesus really God? These people are fools to speculate.
All sons of God are regenerated and later glorified as eloheim. ("Is it not said YE ARE eloheim"). Thats different than the ONE true Elohiem the Father. People MUST use a lexicon when reading the bible. All sons are resurrected divine because Gods spirit lives in us (as Adam was also until he sinned), but ONLY the Father is Divine. Only he gets our worship glory praise as creator. Angels are also divine but different from YHWH. Unfortunately the Greek translations into English screwed up a lot. Which i believe was on purpose to promote catholic doctrines.
A few verses from Paul's epistles will prove that you are wrong, Mr. Tabor. For example, in Romans 9:5, we read: "... Christ, who is God over all, forever praised!" As a second example, in Tit. 2:13, we read: "our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ."
Absolutely they believe that,they got their understanding from the Pauline Gospel.
If definition of God is The Creator , I am personally very sure no person in human , flesh and blood can be the same.
However, my assessment is subject to my human limitations in understanding of what is possible and what is not which I believe is also an important factor we better accept unless anyone is sure he or she knows confirmedly much more than those limitations.
So in a way I would like to say , I do not know, just like I prefer to say I do not know whether 'someone' created everything or everything came into being through chemical reactions or other incidental events.
To me my human existence has logical limitations, and so itbis much more logical and acceptable to me to be not knowing of many things and a virtue to accept that as a fact.
However, from whatever knowledge I have on this creation idea and the idea of the creator and much of that comes from my listening from Rabbi Manis Freidmann I like to argue and believe that no person living in flesh or blood can be the creator god.
Divine yes and thats a personal assessment but creator or god , not logically possible subject to my personal limitations.
This one video is beyond profound
0:41. No, actually mainstream Christians just quote Phillippians 2. Written some time between 52 and 62CE. Game over.
What then follows is a stream of possible interpretations, and in each case Dr Tabor chooses one which contradicts the orthodox view, and does so without giving specific reasons, but merely what he "thinks". It all seems very woolly and unconvincing, unless you have a specific agenda for opposing the orthodox view. If there was something more concrete than "I think", or arbitarily choosing one of a number of possible translations which supports his view rather than the one which supports the orthodox/trinitarian one, then I might be more impressed. But much like a lot of critical scholarship, it does seem the good doctor's thesis is built on a myriad of very sandy assumptions.
30:12 This just about sums it up. "I don't think it's talking about any kind of trinitarian incarnation. It doesn't fit." Well, why doesn't it fit? It doesn't fit because Dr. Tabor has spent a good ten minutes outlining his idea of Jesus as exclusively an ascetic and apocalyptic teacher, and is too wedded to his theory that anything which doesn't conform to that view simply "doesn't fit".
Which is why Dr. Tabor has to try to debunk any idea of Paul believing Jesus is God. The whole of his thesis falls apart if Paul does believe Jesus is God. The trouble is that St. Paul did. Maybe not in the explicit trinitarian form which Dr. Tabor insists is necessary in order for St. Paul to be in agreement with, say, St. Athanasius. But St. Athanasius took Paul's letters, and the Gospels, and the traditions of the Church fathers, and the divine Triad from Ignatius, and we ended up with Jesus the Son of God becoming Jesus as God the Son. Primarily, it has to be said, from John's Gospel, which admittedly would have been written some 30 years or so after Paul was executed. But the terms in which St. Paul addresses Jesus, and St. Paul's Jewish heritage, make it absolutely clear that St. Paul was by no means a polytheist. With this in mind, ascribing universal worship to Jesus in, for example, Phil 2:10-11, makes it clear that either Jesus is God, or St. Paul is a polytheistic Jewish heretic. The latter, I'm afraid "doesn't fit". And so neither does Dr. Tabor's thesis.
"Game over." - Maybe you're just reciting some cult indoctrination. Philippians as we have it today is likely not the original, it is a paste of fragments of a possibly real letter from Paul. And you don't seem to get the content of Dr. Tabor's presentation.
@@TheDanEdwards No, I understand Dr. Tabor perfectly. I spelled out exactly what his primary thesis is, and you can find evidence for this in his books and videos. It's not as though any of this is hidden away somewhere, and nor is it difficult to understand. He is an academic with an agenda, all based on the critical scholarship method. But that method itself is useless at providing anything concrete. You only need to see the myriad of assumptions used to couch critical interpretations.
For example, you say Phillippians is "likely not the original." Nice theory - please provide some proof. No proof - sorry, I simply don't believe you. The reconstruction of the Gospels and Epistles is a pretty strong set of evidences which makes your theory unlikely, and in any case it *is* unprovable. It's just a sceptical theory, to be given as much weight as any other unsupportable theory. What comes from that is other speculations, which is what the critical method actually is.
The difference between that and my approach is that I am willing to give the documentation, such as it is, from the OT through the NT and on to the early church fathers, some of the benefit of the doubt. That the text can be read at face value, in context, and holistically. If none of the documents were related you could reasonably resort to the pic-n-mix mess that criticial scholarship mires itself in. But each document builds on those preceding it, and we get a full picture of what is going on, not by taking specific passages while ignoring the rest of the document, and also not by isolating one book from all the others. Yet Dr. Tabor does both when it suits.
The critical method is, however, not without some benefits. It provides some techniques for deriving possible understandings from sources so sparse that we would be unable to find anything of value. But what the technique cannot give you is anything approaching a useable truth or proof or certainty about anything. Given the history of critical analysis from the early 19th Century - something which few scholars are at all keen on discussing - it is hardly surprising that the "historical Jesus" looks nothing like the orthodox understanding. The discipline was first set up to emasculate the text of any supernatural or divine understanding, for the simple reason that the people who started the movement were sceptics, atheists, agnostics, and deists, who wanted to be able to continue their (church-sponsored and paid) Biblical studies and not lose their jobs in their respective churches in the process. It was all couched in degrees of hypocrisy and deceit. That anything of worth has been derived from it is something of a miracle.
Cult indoctrination is what people succumb to when they accept the word of academics like Drs. Tabor and Ehrman as though these are facts. They're not. They, like your postulation about the letter to the Phillippians, are unprovable and spurious theories. The difference between you and them is that they get to sell a lot of books.
@@mikehutton3937you cooked 👨🍳
im 100% on your side but just know nobodys reading this.
commenting on yt is not worth your time
Paul called Jesus our great God and savior Jesus Christ. Titus 2:13.
Titus was written in 90AD Paul had since been dead
Why did God Almighty need to be Circumcised ??
Because He is the Law realized. It is according to righteousness to be circumcised. Just as He says to John the Baptist concerning His baptism, it must happen according to righteousness. He is the One who always does the right thing, so, of course, He would have needed to be circumcised because He is the very example of what we should do at all times.
Lol😂 "God is not a man" (that he should be circumcised)
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God is spirit, and we worship him in spirit and in truth"
@@gokartbob6478 Well, the truth is the truth.
So he did not make God out of the Messiah, but he did made an idol...
I disagree with your thoughts on the first God of creation vs. the second creation of the Lord’s, as in verse 6. Paul is presenting a distinction between these two creators, which is merely copying from the God of creation of Gen 1 vs. the Lord of creation of Eden, Gen 2. In doing so, it is a clear distinction between a celestial Deity-God vs. an anthropomorphic deity or better, a preexisting celestial entity that became incarnate-a Lord. One cannot simply understand these perplexities without first understanding the the various creation molds, Gods and or Lords. Gen 1 is the creation of multiple Gods which, as outlined were preexisting celestial Deities, and the creation of Gen 1 was a global civilization/creation. Gen Two, however, is entirely separate creation of an incarnate Deity, YHWH, and is the first place in Scripture where Hebraic names appear. Gen 1 on the other hand was non Hebraic as it uses global terminology IE. Earth, heaven Sea, land, trees, grass, sun, moon and stars Etc. these are all global terminology that does not require understanding in Hebrew.
So back to my point regarding these two creations and creators. God vs. the Lord which, in Paul’s view was Jesus Christ. He is basically being resembled unto Adam Kadmon. In truth however, unless we include my six thousand year creation model that places the “sun” upon the fourth day, which would obviously be Jesus/Jacob that came upon the fourth celestial day, which is the more accurate roadmap, I do not think Paul understood that, and considering all the other elements involved in the making of Christendom it is more likely an attempt to replace the first God of creation with a second, Lord of creation.
Let’s not forget about that other “sun” shall I say, the rightful heir, whose seat was stolen by the supplanter and as a result, the curse has never departed from Beth-El.
He just made the argument for the LDS point of view
Clearly, the concept of the Trinity was a development during the first century, which solidified as early as the Apostolic fathers. The writers of the Gospels and the Epistles flirt with the idea, while never explicitly saying it. It is not surprising that lifelong Jews took some time to incorporate such a major adjustment in their theology. Whether or not Paul is explicit in his writings doesn't prove or disprove the Trinity. "No one can say Jesus is LORD, except by the Holy Spirit."
Margaret Barker says it comes from the First Temple, where it was Father, Son, and Holy Mother.
Why is “Yahweh” not in the New Testament? It would’ve helped a lot if He were, because we would have known who Jesus was praying to. ABBA, the Father, is not one who gives snakes to his children.
What I read he thought that he was an arch angle next to God.
The man is called “Arius” not “Arian”. An Arian is someone who follows the error of Arius.
You have a similar tone of voice and way of speaking as Charles Bukowski!
Romans 1:3-4 is as clear as it can be but most people cant comprehend what its actually saying.
Yes, it's clear that Paul believed Jesus is God. He replaced the letters of YHVH with Jesus. This indicates confidently that Paul believed Jesus is YHVH.
@@chicassoproductions8527the verse Rom 1.3 & 4 says ((( the Son of God )))
@@chicassoproductions8527Absolutely not, the passage is clear that Jesus is a human being APPOINTED to divine status.
@@StudentDad-mc3pu Well, the truth is the truth.
@@chicassoproductions8527 Well, yes it is. And to get to the truth we look at evidence etc. In Romans 1: 3-4 there is no evidence for the claim that Paul replaces any name with any other name, that is speculation only. What it definitely DOES say is that Jesus was appointed as 'Son of God'. Paul was a man of his Helenistic time and his version of Jesus deity is the Greek/Roman idea of the Hero rewarded with divine status because of his overcomming of evil or of his sacrifice. This permeates Paul's writing in other places to.
"From whom" means the power to create came from God, the Father. "For whom" means that Jesus created us for God the Father. "...Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we exist..." Means Jesus is the creator. He created us under the direction of and by the power of God, the Father.
Jesus quotes the Old Testament and says, "You are all Gods". So the more interesting question is, did Paul consider himself God?
No, the writer of John (whoever that was) stupidly writes that "Jesus" quotes Psalm 82, which clearly asserts that those "gods" would "die like men." Some gods, eh?
the word used is "Elohim" , just means 'mighty",, the rulers of Israel were the 'mighty', ie, Elohim, over the nation of Israel
The written word of Yahuah does not use the word GOD ever. The syncretic translations, sure. But the hebrews would never use a word as stupid as GOD because they name things based on its distinct trait and/or function. EL/AL means mighty leader/teacher/guide.
Yes
The presence of a "Hellenistic" mysterious current at the founding act of Christianity is known, mysteries into which Jesus must also have been initiated.
Paul tried to turn Jesus into Dionysus.
I love James Tabor but I really don’t agree with his take on Philippians 2:5 denying Paul’s belief in Jesus’ pre-existence. He’s overthinking this one. “He emptied himself..became a slave..was in God’s form but then later in the likeness of men, finding himself in a human role”. It’s obvious what he’s talking about.
Doesn’t Paul also say god created all things through Christ? Or is that in a pseudo-Pauline writing?
Look at it this way: In ancient times when someone saved someone's life, that person was in debt to him for the rest of his life. He became his slave or servant. We all suffer the consequences of sin. The consequence of sin is death because no unclean thing can dwell with God. In order for God to resurrect us from the dead and still remain a Righteous/Just God, God himself (in the personage of Jesus) must die even though he hasn't sinned. Because he died when he didn't deserve to die, he can resurrect us. It's the only way to reverse a broken law. We are in debt to God to keep his commandments because he saved our lives from eternal death. When one is baptized, one makes a covenant with God to keep his commandments, and God covenants with you to save you from sin and death by forgiving you when you sincerely repent and by resurrecting you after you die.
Matthew
28 ¶ Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Jeremiah 5:
4 Therefore I said, Surely these are poor; they are foolish: for they know not the way of the Lord, nor the judgment of their God.
5 I will get me unto the great men, and will speak unto them; for they have known the way of the Lord, and the judgment of their God: but these have altogether broken the yoke, and burst the bonds.
With respect Dr. Tabor... with all this many interpretations how there could be a way for realization? Or it is better to cut through the smoke of all this brain fog?
1 Corinthians 15 24-28
24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Compare Genesis 41: 40
Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than thou.
Paul makes it very clear that Jesus has been given all authority, but there are clearly defined limits.
Paul is the false apostle spoken of in Revelation 2:2
@@onejohn2.26.Wrong. Sha'ul WARNED his fellow talmidim of the false messengers/teachers who will corrupt the good news and teach a different messiah; one who never sinned from the day he was born, one who even existed before the creation of the world, heck one who is God himself disguised as a man. Sounds familiar?
@@bijou989 The Messiah is not God, he is tbe Messiah.
Because of Paul's word salad and his false teachings, 99.9% of Christians will not be saved
@@onejohn2.26. where did I say the anointed was God? And no, no christians will be saved. No worshipper of the antichrist will.
@@bijou989
Paul taught against obeying the laws of God found in the Torah
If christians do not obey these laws,, they will not be saved
At 0:17 the question is posed. The Jewish-Christian tradition vehemently insists there is only one JEALOUS almighty, and this leads to nonsense like the Trinity (which Dr. Tabor or Dr Ehrman described, "if you think you understand it, you don't understand"). God can answer to any name, and God can assume any form that suits the devotee. If you like Jesus, pray to Jesus and the prayer goes to God. If you like Trump? I like the heresy that even Satan (and therefore satanists) will be saved.
Trinity, false doctrine, this message was sent to another gentleman, but applicable,
The trinity doctrine is pagan, a man-made doctrine, taught by demons. Anyone who teaches that Jesus is fully God and yet fully human is a liar. The incarnation taught by men, defined as God becoming flesh is a lie. A mans' doctrine, taught by a man to another man, by a man with no understanding. You mentioned 1 Corinthians 8, so what does this book teach on the relationship between Elohim and Yeshua?
For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Paul is telling you that there is one (1) God and one (1) Lord. Why does he say Jesus Christ, by whom are all things? How did God create the heavens and earth? He spoke them into existence. When you read Johns' gospel how does it start? In the beginning, ever heard this before? A Hebrew/Jew understands that if a scriptural text is referenced then the listener needs to be fully cognizant about the refenced text, as it will have bearing on the meaning of what is being said. When John says the word was God or God was the word, whichever translation you read: John is telling you that God was the "orator". God was speaking the creation into existence. This is the reason that Christ is called the word of God; this is his origin.
Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; (He made the worlds through Christ)
Ephesians 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ. (He made/spoke all things through Christ)
Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God. (Christ testifies of himself that he was the beginning of the creation)
Further in 1 Corinthians we find: 1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. (appears we have a chain of command, not equality) John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
Further in 1 Corinthians 15:27-28 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. (Christ is in subjection to his Father)
Zebedees' wife asked if her sons could sit on the right and left of Christ in the kingdom. His answer: Matthew 20:20-23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father. (why is Christ deferring to his Father?)
Matthew 24:35-36 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. (Christ said the temple (called heaven and earth by the Jews) would be destroyed. But why didn't he know the day and hour? Because the scripture states it had an appointed (kairos) time to happen, and the Father is the one who appointed that time.
Mans' doctrine of the incarnation: God came down and took on flesh is a lie, nowhere taught in the scripture, nowhere.
The scriptures doctrine of the incarnation: 1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. (God sent his son, not himself) John repeats this doctrine in 2 John 7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Lastly, will leave you with this thought and it is not a paradox. It can be fully understood. God is not a God of confusion. Can God be tempted by evil? The answer is no. Was Jesus Christ tempted by evil? The answer is yes, in every way. Do you see the doctrinal problem of the trinity? God came down to earth, became a man, acted as if he could be tempted, when in all reality he can't be tempted........The gospel becomes a farce, laughable. Just a side show people, nothing to see here......this message is sent in love, your friend
Yes, the Old Testament taught to keep the commandments and repent, but it also taught that forgiveness was possible because of the atonement. This is why Moses taught them to observe the Day of Atonement. The high priest took upon himself the sins of the people, like a father taking responsibility for the sins of his minor child. Instead of the priest being sacrificed, he transferred the sins onto the scape goat which was sent into the wilderness (to the devil), and another animal without blemish was sacrificed.
Here is proof: Adam and Eve died. They could not just say "sorry" and be forgiven. They had to suffer the consequence of sin (justice), but God provided a way for them to be forgiven and resurrected someday (mercy).
We came to the understanding that YaHWaH is the ONLY Elohim and that Yeshua - His "designated sin" ( NOY "only begotten son" is the only human who lived a perfect life. This first perfect "Son of YaH" was resurrected and went to be in heaven with Abba Father Elohim to be our High Priest until he returns for the final battle against the adversary. He will then take the other "sons of YaH" (no longer male or female) to be in the New Jerusalem on the renewed earth.
Can you please explain the immaculate conception? Who is Yeshua's earthly father? Did YaH place a human sperm in Mary's reproductive system?
Thank you so much, Dr. Tabor. This journey has been long and Amazing! All Glory to YaHWaH, the One and ONLY ELOHIM!🙌🏻
"designated sOn". Sorry, Spell Check strikes again😫
He was destined to be. The Zoroastrians knew. The resurrection was the moment. The heavens aligned. 3000 years later they will again.
Apostle saul think that he was Jesus and in lystra they bilieve he was Zeus I hope that some day to find his gospel.
The silly Greeks were quick to worship Paul and Barnabas as God's.. Its no surprise they wrongly jumped in head first to make Jesus God
Textual evidence?
Take a load off, Tabor. Paul's version of Jesus is the historical version.
Divine yes human also very very important preexisting scramble theological eggs 🎉❤😊😊😊😊😊
What do you mean by Divine?
Super natural like satan.
Today people confuse santa claus looking god, old men in sumeria had white beard and were "wise", jesus's god was power,
אל תאכל את פרי עץ הדעת אלא אם כן הוא באמת טעים
🔥The Father/Spirit and Son/flesh relationship.✝
"That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." -John 3:6 KJV
🙏To understand the Father and Son relationship we must understand that Jesus Christ speaks as a man of flesh and always points to the Spirit above because the Spirit above is ABOVE ALL and is always greater than flesh. But Jesus Christ is truly that Holy Spirit from above who is ABOVE ALL, and THROUGH ALL, and IN YOU All and is God our Father who manifest in the flesh as the scriptures declare that He came fashioned as a man and as a man Jesus Christ cannot directly claim that He is God because that would show God a man when God is not a man but a single Holy Spirit from above who is ABOVE ALL, and THROUGH ALL, and IN YOU All and much more than a man of flesh but Jesus Christ does tell us INDIRECTLY many times that He is our Father even referring to us as sons and daughters.
👑Indirectly Jesus claims to be God, the🔥Father, and the✝Son/Christ.👇
"And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God." -Mark 10:18 🐑"I am the good shepherd:👈👉the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep." -John 10:11 KJV👑
"Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.
45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me." -John 12:44-45 KJV
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?" -John 14:6-9 KJV
God is a single person/Spirit, not person's!
"Will ye accept👉his person?👀will ye contend for God?" -Job 13:8 KJV
"HIM", not them is our Father! "God is👉a Spirit: and they that worship👉HIM must worship HIM👈in spirit and in truth." -John 4:24 KJV
"HIM" manifest in the flesh as the Son because God is more than a man.
"The first man is of the earth, earthy;👉the second man is👉the Lord from heaven." -1 Corinthians 15:47 KJV
God is the Father/Spirit and Son/flesh! "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." -John 3:6 KJV
That is why Jesus Christ said, "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." -John 6:63 KJV
Spirit came forth from Spirit and there is only 1 Spirit known as "HIM", not them! One Spirit and One Body = One Lord!
"There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God --->and
Why don't?
Some of you educate yourself and read the Book before opening mouth insert foot
Are you suggesting James has not read the Bible l?
How do you know a man? You know a man by his fruit. God’s word is very well established and God confirms his word so don’t let this man confuse you. For confusion flows forth through these videos and lies and deception and lack of faith in God’s work to preserve His Word.
You are right about the spiritual Rock that followed them. There was none. Also in Genesis 3, Satan said they would be like gods, not equal to the one true God, if they ate the fruit. They ate the fruit and then they knew good vs evil (their eyes were opened). Thank you James for this in-depth look at Paul's writings. My eyes have been opened concerning the New Testament for a little while now. Attributing everything concerning a Messianic figure in the Tanach to Jesus in the N.T. is just wrong from what I can see. Jesus is not divine nor God and does not sit at the right hand of God the Father (not even in a spiritual sense). See Deut 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD (YAH) our God is one LORD. I really like your videos regarding the Talpiot tomb as well. Too bad you can't go in all the way into the second tomb. You did great with a camera though. Thank you.
Oh look the same 8 pointed start Tovia Singer puts in his videos. Gee I wonder what the connection is🤤
NUMERICAL ONE DECLARATION.
Isaiah 45:5-7 is not only a confirmation of the Shema Yisrael but it is actually a NUMERICAL ONE declaration, in terms of Philisophical Mathenatics, let us examine this :
Isaiah 45:5-7
I am YHVH, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me, 6so that from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting people may know there is none besides me. I am YHVH, and there is no other. 7I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I YHVH do all these things.
A) I am YHVH : ONE YHVH
B) And there is NO OTHER : And (Plural) or DOUBLE CONFIRMATION of Singular/ONE which is (No Other).
C) Apart from me : MINUS everything (Numerical One)
D) There is NO God : Another Minus everything or Numerical One.
E) From Rising of the Sun to the place of its setting : Numerical ZERO (One cannot find).
F) There is none besides me : 0 + 1 = 1
G) I am YHVH : Singularity Numerical One.
H) And there is no other : Double Zero (IS and No other).
I) I form the light and create darkness : 1 x 1 x 1 = 1
J) I make peace and create evil : 1 x 1x 1 = 1
K) I YHVH do all these things : I YHVH (1) x 1 = 1
No one had a problem with any of the Caesars claiming to be God. Jesus says He's God, and everyone doubts Him.
I doubt you, because you give no scripture, only your opinion. 🤔
Jesus said he has a God" John 20.17 he never said he was God.
So, I think we treat Caesars claim to be God and Christians' claims for Jesus in the same way - neither were Gods. The difference is that no one goes about nowadays asking people to worship Roman Emperors.
@@gokartbob6478John does not have Jesus claim to be God quite the opposite.
@StudentDad-mc3pu Atheists worshipped all of the Caesars, no questions asked. They just did it.
I would say Rome made Jesus god once they took over the religion. The original christians didn't believe he was god. And a lot of them were murdered for not accepting he was god. And Rome even made Emperor's gods. So to them, it wouldn't have been a real religion if he was human. And they hated Jews, so they made Jesus their god, not the Jewish one. And Romans created the trinity idea. They often mixed 3 gods as one. Egyptians mixed 2. Jews would never have come up with that.
The three in one trinity idea is wrong. God the Father and Jesus Christ are two separate beings, but united as one just as Jesus told his disciples they should be one:
John 17: Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
John 8: 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
So he's saying he is Jehovah. Jehovah isn't God the Father. Jehovah (Jesus ) created us by the power and under the direction of God the Father.
The demiurge?
@@jansteinvonsquidmeirsteen2256 Jesus is kind of like the demiurge. In Genesis it says, "Let us make man in our own image"
@@onika700 Not following your reasoning. No sure of your "Jesus" definition here unless it's in line with the Johannine theology.
@@jansteinvonsquidmeirsteen2256 Jesus was a spirit before he was born. He was Jehovah. He created the earth under the direction of God the Father. (He isn't named) He was a separate being from God, but united as one with God. God created the world through him.
@@onika700 This is very similar to what Margaret Barker say, differentiating between YWYW and El. Thanks for clarifying. Is this LDS theology or you're getting this elsewhere?
Paul thought Jesus was a preexistent being like moses and the patriarchs were.but was exalted to become gods viceroy to rule over the new earth and all mankind to understand Paul’s theology read the book of Enoch and some of the Pseudepigrapha.Paul in no way thought Jesus was god if he did he wouldn’t have said stuff like this
”but each one in proper order: Christ the firstfruits; then, at his coming, those who belong to Christ; then comes the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has destroyed every sovereignty and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death, for “he subjected everything under his feet.” But when it says that everything has been subjected, it is clear that it excludes the one who subjected everything to him. When everything is subjected to him, then the Son himself will [also] be subjected to the one who subjected everything to him, so that God may be all in all. Practical Arguments.“
1 Corinthians 15:23-28 NABRE
”The God and Father of the Lord Jesus knows, he who is blessed forever, that I do not lie.“
2 Corinthians 11:31 NABRE
”We know that Christ, raised from the dead, dies no more; death no longer has power over him. As to his death, he died to sin once and for all; as to his life, he lives for God.“
Romans 6:9-10 NABRE
You can’t be god and have a god it doesn’t work lol so paul most definitely thought of Jesus as a preexistent being that was exalted to become gods viceroy and representative and everyone will serve him and he will be everyone’s king.Paul’s view of Jesus would’ve been in line with a lot of the rabbis of the 1st century except for dying for your sins and rising again none of the Pseudepigrapha mention or describe a suffering dying for your sins messiah by that’s about the only difference and probably the biggest reason reason not a lot of Jews converted but a lot of Jews did believe in a preexistent exalted heavenly messiah that will save Israel and be gods viceroy.lots of Jews since after the second temple exile thought you could atone for your sins in multiple different ways like charity repentance mercy prayer etc.
Dr Tabor, you are not far from Islam.
Very magickal implications
I am shocked that you have the courage to proclaim the shema in the face of churchianity!!!!
Jesus is not God. He is a New Creation of The Most High, who by the way is not Jehovah aka Yahweh. Demons had their spawn. God gave us His son with free will to choose His calling (Psalm 40:7 ) and was resurrected and elevated to a position higher than the angels. He was in his Father’s purpose ,his intent as defining the word logos,in the beginning and all things were created with him in mind. He is to be worshipped as His Father and all angels must honor him Jesus has the keys to life and eternal death, aka Hell. When death is destroyed and Satan.killed,crushed in the head, he will turn the kingdom and it’s firstftuits and all the chosen, over to his Father. He is coming back soon to wreck this NWO and and call His chosen home. He saw his calling in scripture at Psalms 40:7-9 , Isaiah 53 chapter, among other verses. He accepted his mission.